I dislike Catholic Answers alot, brother peter diamond really exposed them and Jimmy Atkins. However I do like a lot of Joe Heschmeyer's content. agreed.
Beautifully put. This is corollary to the objection protestants have to the Saints hearing the prayers of the faithful. "How can Mary hear so many prayers, all at once??". Another somewhat related aspect of the hyper-individualism of protestantism is how contrary to human nature it is: we're social creatures, born into families and live in communities and wider socieities. Protestantism's "me, Jesus and the Bible" mentality ensures it has little to no unity, zero historic memory, and almost no generational continuity...especially with the mainline denominations having gone full woke and going the way of the dodo. Great content as always.
Christianity is a personal relationship with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is a strictly personal thing which we enter as an individual sinner before God. Mary does not even get a look in on the subject. You are attacking the truth of the Bible, not protestantism.
NT example: Do Protestants object to the "superhuman ability" of Peter to know the hearts/thoughts of Ananias and Sapphira? Does Peter stop knowing the hearts/thoughts/prayers of other Christians merely because he is now in heaven sitting on one of the 12 thrones that Christ promised to him?? (I LOVE pointing out the thrones of the Apostles in heaven; such a counter-Protestant truth from Scripture in all its implications.)
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. During the judgment they will sit on 12 thrones. Their job is to judge the tribes, not to field prayers. Anyway, during the judgment, all people are befor the throne. No praying is going on. Its all over, it is all finished.
@@peterzinya1 The Apostles are already crowned and on their thrones and already judging/ruling with Christ. There is no biblical reason to think judging cannot include receiving prayers of intercession and interceding to the King, especially before the Final General Judgment. There is even biblical evidence showing it: "seated on the *thrones* were twenty-four elders, clad in white garments, with golden *crowns* upon their heads.... And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of *incense, which are the prayers of the saints* .... Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed." Rev 4:4, 5:8, 20:4 "...he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of *the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God* ." Rev 8:3-4
@@tonyl3762 "There is no biblical reason to think judging cannot include receiving prayers of intercession and interceding to the King, " So, silence on a subject is proof positive its true? " "the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God ." The prayers come out of vials. Prayers of live saints on earth. There are no saints in the vials, i hope. Being stuck in a vial doesnt sound fun.
1. You don’t need to be omnipotent to intercede on someone’s behalf 2. You don’t need to be omnipresent to hear someone’s prayer request 3. The Saints in Heaven are in a glorified state.
you need to be alive. Mary isn't. and nothing in Scripture supports we pray to other humans. do you know who, aside from Moses, Enoch & Elijah, who is in Heaven? if so, how? most won't be there until 1 Cor 15:51-54 happens.
@@HAL9000-su1mz tobit isn't Scripture. Revelation is highly symbolic and deals with those after the 7th seal, which is when Christ returns. so no. no idea who the saints are, especially since Paul writes to them a few times.
@@tony1685 Christ referenced Tobit himself when he mentioned the Golden Rule, "do unto others." Book of Tobit. Go ahead and keep saying it isn't Scripture.
We see again how secular Protestantism has become, thinking as man does and not as God does (Matthew 16:23). This is a tragedy of the "reformation". The intercession (communion) of the Saints is both demonstrably effective as well as long-settled Christian belief and doctrine. We know that "when He comes, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM, as we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:2) as well as to be "absent from the body is to be PRESENT TO THE LORD" (2 Cor 5:8). Protestant arguments have degenerated into simple defiance and incredulity.
Of course the Saints in heaven can hear our prayers because they are perfectly united to God. Luke 1:37 For with God nothing will be impossible.” Catholic Christians put no limits on what God can do.
I don't think rev 8:2-5 can be overlooked. Although the censor is being used to cast punishment on earth I think? It still gives us a picture of heaven. There's an altar where incents is being offered up before God, but unlike the mass where we use actual incents, it says all the prayers of the saints are being lifted up to God as incents at the altar. Well what are the prayers of the saints? When we pray to saints we tend to ask them to pray for us. Seems like they in fact pray for us, and those prayers are incents to God. Amazing!
I don't understand why people want to put limitations on God or even anyone in heaven? Eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard the things in heaven and what God has planned for us. It's just one more thing protestants try to use so they don't have to face the truth that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus Christ started. 2000 years later and they are still protesting.
No one doubts angels (and demons) have superhuman capabilities. Jesus explains that in Heaven we will be like angels (Mark 12:25). What's to fuss about?
Yeah, a Saint needs to be Godlike to have any power whatsoever, but demons clearly aren't Gods and nobody would deny they have greater than human capability to "hear our prayers." They'd have a really hard time explaining how the spiritual attacks happen
My optometrist must be super human because he gives me the ability to see. If while on earth we can have tools to fix and heighten our natural abilities then it seems logical that God who is infinite can heighten our finite abilities in heaven. 1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love. 1 Cor 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
@@NuLeif My point is that if here on earth we can use tools to assist our natural abilities then God who is infinite can assist our natural abilities in Heaven.
When you take your last breath your spirit is alive “in Christ” and your dead bones are buried in the grave. “Those in heaven are part of the mystical body of Christ, and have not been separated from us by death. Christ is the vine, and we are the branches. So, if we are connected to him, we are inseparably bound together with them as well.”-Jason Evert Jesus teaches that the God is “not God not of the dead, but of the living” (Matt. 22:32; Matt 22:23-33). The Saints in heaven are more alive than we are.
@@NuLeif And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Friend, what is that telling us?
@@Levij83 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 9And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
@@peterzinya1 Read the tea leaves and tell us yourself. Don't waste our time making us speculate. "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" Heb 9:27 The saints are judged immediately after death.
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I really enjoy your content. You and Heschmeyer are must listens
The early was the Catholic Church is a must read for all Christians.
Sadly the name of the book I think keeps a lot of people from reading it.
@@jd3jefferson556That’s an excellent book!
I dislike Catholic Answers alot, brother peter diamond really exposed them and Jimmy Atkins. However I do like a lot of Joe Heschmeyer's content. agreed.
@@flipneleanor7370 Sedevacatists Michael and Peter Dimond are not credible. Look at your words! Some fruits they have borne.
Beautifully put. This is corollary to the objection protestants have to the Saints hearing the prayers of the faithful. "How can Mary hear so many prayers, all at once??".
Another somewhat related aspect of the hyper-individualism of protestantism is how contrary to human nature it is: we're social creatures, born into families and live in communities and wider socieities. Protestantism's "me, Jesus and the Bible" mentality ensures it has little to no unity, zero historic memory, and almost no generational continuity...especially with the mainline denominations having gone full woke and going the way of the dodo.
Great content as always.
They think as man does and not as God does.
Mary is dead and hears no prayers. this theory isn't Biblical.
Christianity is a personal relationship with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is a strictly personal thing which we enter as an individual sinner before God. Mary does not even get a look in on the subject. You are attacking the truth of the Bible, not protestantism.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 YOU are trolling in ignorance of Christianty. YOU are working AGAINST Christ.
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Jesus established the Church I belong to. Who established your group?
Excellent video. God bless you 🙏
It’s discussions like this that I’m convinced that Protestants argue like Atheists.
Exactly!
NT example: Do Protestants object to the "superhuman ability" of Peter to know the hearts/thoughts of Ananias and Sapphira? Does Peter stop knowing the hearts/thoughts/prayers of other Christians merely because he is now in heaven sitting on one of the 12 thrones that Christ promised to him?? (I LOVE pointing out the thrones of the Apostles in heaven; such a counter-Protestant truth from Scripture in all its implications.)
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
During the judgment they will sit on 12 thrones. Their job is to judge the tribes, not to field prayers. Anyway, during the judgment, all people are befor the throne. No praying is going on. Its all over, it is all finished.
@@peterzinya1 The Apostles are already crowned and on their thrones and already judging/ruling with Christ. There is no biblical reason to think judging cannot include receiving prayers of intercession and interceding to the King, especially before the Final General Judgment. There is even biblical evidence showing it:
"seated on the *thrones* were twenty-four elders, clad in white garments, with golden *crowns* upon their heads.... And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of *incense, which are the prayers of the saints* .... Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed." Rev 4:4, 5:8, 20:4
"...he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of *the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God* ." Rev 8:3-4
@@tonyl3762 "There is no biblical reason to think judging cannot include receiving prayers of intercession and interceding to the King, "
So, silence on a subject is proof positive its true?
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"the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God ."
The prayers come out of vials. Prayers of live saints on earth. There are no saints in the vials, i hope. Being stuck in a vial doesnt sound fun.
Oh. I thought the angels were judged by 12 bibles...
@@peterzinya1 Stalking, trolling and harassent reported.
Well, said God bless you keep up the good work.
Thank you for your videos. I appreciate your perspective.
1. You don’t need to be omnipotent to intercede on someone’s behalf
2. You don’t need to be omnipresent to hear someone’s prayer request
3. The Saints in Heaven are in a glorified state.
you need to be alive. Mary isn't. and nothing in Scripture supports we pray to other humans.
do you know who, aside from Moses, Enoch & Elijah, who is in Heaven? if so, how? most won't be there until 1 Cor 15:51-54 happens.
Tobit 12, Revelation 5:8 and 8:4. The Angels and Saints present our prayers to God.
@@HAL9000-su1mz tobit isn't Scripture.
Revelation is highly symbolic and deals with those after the 7th seal, which is when Christ returns.
so no. no idea who the saints are, especially since Paul writes to them a few times.
@@tony1685
Christ referenced Tobit himself when he mentioned the Golden Rule, "do unto others."
Book of Tobit.
Go ahead and keep saying it isn't Scripture.
@@tony1685It actually is, Luther took it and other books out of the “Bible” you read.
Great points. I wonder what the objection is now.
We see again how secular Protestantism has become, thinking as man does and not as God does (Matthew 16:23). This is a tragedy of the "reformation". The intercession (communion) of the Saints is both demonstrably effective as well as long-settled Christian belief and doctrine. We know that "when He comes, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM, as we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:2) as well as to be "absent from the body is to be PRESENT TO THE LORD" (2 Cor 5:8).
Protestant arguments have degenerated into simple defiance and incredulity.
Of course the Saints in heaven can hear our prayers because they are perfectly united to God. Luke 1:37 For with God nothing will be impossible.” Catholic Christians put no limits on what God can do.
They was really good!!
We are all Saints if we obtained the God words in Matthew 5:5. Amen 🙏
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You really need to do something about the trolls on your channel. Follow the Kenny Burchard method and police your comment section please.
Agreed!
Thank you. I agree. We are definitely looking into this.
I don't think rev 8:2-5 can be overlooked. Although the censor is being used to cast punishment on earth I think? It still gives us a picture of heaven. There's an altar where incents is being offered up before God, but unlike the mass where we use actual incents, it says all the prayers of the saints are being lifted up to God as incents at the altar. Well what are the prayers of the saints? When we pray to saints we tend to ask them to pray for us. Seems like they in fact pray for us, and those prayers are incents to God. Amazing!
I don't understand why people want to put limitations on God or even anyone in heaven? Eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard the things in heaven and what God has planned for us. It's just one more thing protestants try to use so they don't have to face the truth that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus Christ started. 2000 years later and they are still protesting.
No one doubts angels (and demons) have superhuman capabilities. Jesus explains that in Heaven we will be like angels (Mark 12:25). What's to fuss about?
Yeah, a Saint needs to be Godlike to have any power whatsoever, but demons clearly aren't Gods and nobody would deny they have greater than human capability to "hear our prayers."
They'd have a really hard time explaining how the spiritual attacks happen
Well, considering the Protestant “god” is a 2,000 year old book, it’s a fair objection.
My optometrist must be super human because he gives me the ability to see. If while on earth we can have tools to fix and heighten our natural abilities then it seems logical that God who is infinite can heighten our finite abilities in heaven. 1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love. 1 Cor 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
An optometrist gives you glasses to adjust your vision. He doesn’t give you superhuman ability to see perfectly without wearing your bifocals.
@@NuLeif My point is that if here on earth we can use tools to assist our natural abilities then God who is infinite can assist our natural abilities in Heaven.
@ Gotcha! I was a little confused as to what your point was. I agree.
@@NuLeif I was being facetious when I called my optometrist super human.
you dont see a difference between the living and the dead.
All Christians including the saints are alive in Christ. We are one body.
When you take your last breath your spirit is alive “in Christ” and your dead bones are buried in the grave.
“Those in heaven are part of the mystical body of Christ, and have not been separated from us by death. Christ is the vine, and we are the branches. So, if we are connected to him, we are inseparably bound together with them as well.”-Jason Evert
Jesus teaches that the God is “not God not of the dead, but of the living” (Matt. 22:32; Matt 22:23-33). The Saints in heaven are more alive than we are.
@@NuLeif And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Friend, what is that telling us?
@@Levij83 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
9And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
@@peterzinya1 Read the tea leaves and tell us yourself. Don't waste our time making us speculate.
"it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" Heb 9:27
The saints are judged immediately after death.