Did the Cleveland Guardians Trade Away an All-Star Lineup?
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2024
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Even in a wide-open AL Central, the Guardians appear behind the pack offensively. But had they just held their cards close to them, they could've had one of the best offenses in the American League.
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Jolly gonna get demoted from MVP by Chris Rose with this one 😂
I thought Chris just did battlebots
@@BraxtonMeyerhe works with Jomboy media and is a Guardians fan
Gonna get demoted to Happy Grape.
@@noahbaden90 Underrated comment
@@BraxtonMeyerChris is imo the best personality on jomboy as a whole, he used to do a daily baseball today show which was byfar my favorite reason to watch jomboy at all
Chris Rose has placed Jolly Olive on the do not call list effective immediately 😂
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Fuzzy is going to love this one 😅😂
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Fuzzy is a clown
@@KneeDeep2231lmaoo low key 👀
Looking at what this Jolly guy just started in this video and Looking up what all these players numbers are this year so far.... they're both clowns
Don’t forget Junior Caminero who could be the worst of all 😂
Forsure huge Nolan Jones guy but Caminero is legitimately a monster 😂
Junior might hurt the most!
bruh cle has 100 freaking infielders they cant keep all of them
Junior is the worst
@@jonathanradcliff6192 nobody in that organization under 30 has the potential of Caminero it’s not about can’t keep them all they kept the wrong ones 😂
The front office and scouting for the Guardians are one of the best in the league. They make way more good deals then bad deals and develop some of the best young pitchers in the league.
But not hitters. Instead they trade them
Here is the GM's burner account
Yes. They know how to trade for relief pitchers. They develop starters and middle infielders.
And they’re terrible at developing or trading for power positions (1B, outfield). They’re a good front office. Not top 5. Maybe not top 10.
@@ChrisCrossAplsauceyeah they’ve built a team with a very strong pitching staff and guys with great plate discipline that put the ball in play and don’t strikeout 😂 seems like maybe they know more than you do. Go figure 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheModerateExtremist448 Dude. They were dead last in HR’s last year. And it wasn’t close. And that speaks directly to my point about 1B and the outfield positions - which you completely failed to address.
As an Astros fan, I cannot believe the Guardians gave us both Phil Maton and Yainer Diaz for Myles Straw
And then they signed straw to multi year deal 🤦♂️
This makes me sick to thing about as a CLE fan
@@mahtinp paying Myles straw millions to play in triple A right now lol
Why do you have an 11 IQ
Cleveland values catcher D and Diaz wasn't progressing in their system. This lineup projection has him at DH and tbh he's probably not an upgrade over Manzardo who should be on the roster
Guardians also have the 4th best winning percentage in the MLB in the last 10 years, so I'd say our front office and management are doing something pretty well considering our low payroll.
false....The Dolans are some of the richest MLB owners AND THE CHEAPEST. For example, they made 80 million when they sold off their cable channel Sportstime Ohio to Fox. Did that money go back to the team? No. They are cheap bums in many spots where they could spend a little more to win in a weak division, What you got here are owners who are stuck on a program to be cheap on purpose, no matter what happens each year. And that means, they will always have to luck into making it far each year. They are doing this on purpose. IT goes to ask th question--why even own a team if youre going to do this sh**?
@@DJ_BROBOTdoesn't change any of what he said, they still have the 4th best percentage over the last 10 years.
Cleveland system is loaded!
Beating up on the worst division in baseball is nice. But pennants are won in October. Not April and july.
@@alwillk AL Central has a good argument for being the best division in baseball, not the worst. A few days ago they had not three but FOUR teams with winning records (Detroit’s fallen off somewhat).
You state "here's what the lineup would look like had they not made any trades last year"...and then include a guy in the lineup that was traded 4 years ago. (Diaz)
*3
This aged poorly
Im watching 2 months after is was posted. Crazy!
@@phoroshd2896Lmao same. So far this video is aging very poorly.
In general, Cleveland knows when to ship talent away. They got Manzardo from a washed Aaron Civale, and Clase from a washed Corey Kluber. Not to mention half of their starting lineup used to be Padres prospects who they traded for 😂
Did it? They still traded away some great young players
@@smolitj Benson and Jones have had piss poor sophomore seasons thus far. Could have just been first year lucky for them. Maybe they'll bounce back, but as of right now, Cleveland hasn't lost much of anything with those trades.
Factor in that they traded Yandy Diaz for Jake Bauers 5 years ago, and Cleveland could’ve won the division easily last year. Sometimes the best trade is the one you didn’t make.
Got rid of gio urshela in his prime too
For whatever reason Tito hated Yandy. Yandy would mash the ball for a couple of games and then Tito would bench him for 3 weeks or send him back to Columbus
@@gnielsen07It took Gio two trades and several trips between MLB and AAA before the Yankees “fixed” him. There is no reality in which he was “in his prime” in Cleveland.
@@CLEFan1994that’s fair gio wasn’t an impact player for another 2 years. Just another guy they lost though. Cleveland kills it on finding pitching talent but they trade away hitting stars all the way back to the 90s including Brian Giles and Richie season
Yo baseball UA-cam assemble moment
Curse?
No, it's called an ownership that doesn't want to spend money and a front office that's forced to trade away the vast majority of their young talent before they demand top dollar. Not a curse, nor is it new or different. It's amazing how competitive they remain despite being kneecapped.
So that’s why they traded away two guys before accruing even a few months of service time? I think so. It’s called mistakes
While that is true, all these guys didn't even have serve time yet. Cleveland could have them all for minimum deals for the next 4-5 years. The guardians are just both stupid and cheap
@@alexwashington2554it's called prospect/young player hoarding bc of miserly ownership. Cleveland continually over the last decade has had some of the biggest 40 man roster crunches every year. Benson was traded for Cincys 2022 2nd rounder bc he wouldn't be 40 man eligible for a few years
@@Phoenix-pm2qrthe cheapness forces the organization to continually have to supplement a proven guy with 3 unproven guys on the 40 man. Every off-season they end up with over a half dozen top prospects/guys who have made it up at least (Jones/Benson) for 2-3 40 man spots
@@alexwashington2554 It's called a DEEP farm system. Maybe the deepest in MLB.
I literally just watched Nolan Jones miss a ball in the outfield for the Rockies.
He did this entire video without talking about Yandy Diaz (not Yainer) although that one happened a while ago so makes sense
these trades live in my head rent free
Glad to see everyone has 20/20 hindsight. Meanwhile, Nolan Jones is batting .179 and Will Benson is batting .219 so far this year. Maybe they will improve, but the jury is still out on both of them.
The guards can develop just about anybody into a star level pitcher, but when it comes to power hitters we swing and miss on just about every way you can bring them in. If we pay them, they forget how to hit (Josh bell, Mike Zunino), we give up on power hitting minor leaguers after 20 ABs and injuries (Nolan, Benson, Yandy Diaz) or just don't pay the guys we have (thanks dolan). I love this team but they test my love every single offseason without fail.
I'd still rather have Naylor than Yandy at catcher tbh
@@ezridaxsgender3914 has Yandy played C? i meant Yandy Diaz who’s on the Rays now, but i was in love with Francisco Mejia when we had him. guess dodged a bullet there lol
@@justdale8128 yah I was thinking Yainer.
Edwin Encarnacion was a beast power hitter
The Reds are thankful for Benson.
Junior Caminero, Yandy Diaz, Gio Urshela the list goes on
Anthony Santander
@@jeeckert77rule 5 picks are a bit of a different situation as that's an issue where they have more depth than they can roster
A combined 1 All-Star appearances
@@ezridaxsgender3914 did still take him 8 years to reach the majors
The fact that they gave up Junior Caminero for nothing too is going to really hurt in a year or two 😂
This guy Happy Grape really knows his baseball
Calling up Jones and Benson at the Same time was a big mistake that never gave either of them a real changeb
Lmao now Nolan Jones is batting .170 50 games into the season.
It’s so depressing, especially because this team has had some insane trade luck over the last 10-plus years. You think back to the Cliff Lee deal, the CC deal, the trade that landed them Kluber.
And CLASE for Kluber!
How about when they robbed San Diego
I’ve been following Brito since before the trade, he’s gonna be a great player
Cool... don't care though. There really isn't a spot for him on the MLB club. We're too cheap to sign him to a long term deal - guardians 100% won't pay top dollar for 3 infielders. We're gonna end up trading him. Another wasted trade and player
@@Phoenix-pm2qr don’t need to sign him long term since he’s gonna be under team control for a while. Hot take but I like him over rocchio, maybe trade him since his perceived value is way higher
He has a very high ceiling for sure
Fuzzy is in tears watching this
Luckily for Cleveland, the David Fry era will shadow it all.
Join the Fry Guys!
David Fry putting this whole team on his back.
Fry is a fringe utility player.
@@alwillk "fringe utility player" is an odd way to misspell "future MVP"
@@MattMamba24😂got eeem
The Indians have made fantastic trades in recent years and their lineup is doing extremely well. The organization is one of the best in the league for developing players, making great trades and scouting talent.
Believe me Jolly, we're used to this. Paul Dolan has the 4th highest net worth among MLB owners, an incredible GM in Chris Antonetti, fans that still show up after the name change, the best 3B in the league who took a paycut to stay, and nothing to show for it. Dolan REFUSES to spend big money since they didnt win the series in 16.
He refused to spend even BEFORE that. He's such a goddamn joke
He spent big literally the year after 2016 and; brought a top free agent in at $20 million a season. He also runs the best ran organization in winning in the city by far... and the fans thank him by whining a lot and not showing up much to the games. He can go F himself for robbing Louis Sockalexis of the team named in his honor.
50 games into the season now and the answer is... nope!
..... and they have the best record in the American League so far, and the biggest differential in baseball lol
This video hasn’t aged well so far lmao. Jones and Benson haven’t gotten going at all yet
Aged horribly
@@jackoff1826 and 3 days later, looks like you're dumb....
@jackoff1826 How has this aged horribly? They still have the third best record in the AL and 5th in run differential in the league. The Guardians are holding their own, and they lost their ace pitcher for the year.
@@PSCA1988 if you watched the video it talks all about the Indians screwing up trading these players. But all these players mentioned in the video are having crap years so far and the Indians are doing great therefore, this video has aged horribly
I love how anybody with an HD camera can become an "expert" on anything their heart desires.
praying to Jobu for sophomore season regression
Nolan Jones is batting .170 as of now.
Will Benson is batting .206
Yandy Diaz .211
Josh Bell .185
Phil Maton ERA is 7.59
Indians looking good this year
Did not age well other than Yanier Diaz
yea this post is pure shit 😂
I will never understand how or why we drafted Nolan Jones so high, developed him into a great player, and then gave him about 80 total at bats in the majors before deciding to give up on him and start Myles Straw in the outfield every day instead
You could literally do this with any team. Cleveland has won FAR more trades than they’ve lost the last decade. And as far as Jones, Benson and Diaz-
-Jones had the highest BABIP in the sport last year. Let’s see who he is when regression rears its head
-Benson is still likely nothing more than a platoon OF, similar to Joc Peterson. It was a mistake to choose Brennan over him, however, and I think this is the biggest mistake the FO has made the last decade.
-I’ll take Bo Naylor over Diaz 7 days a week. Bo had the highest WAR per PA in all of baseball last season (yup, go check, he sure did).
As a Cleveland fan you could very easily have added Junior Caminero to this video. I know he hasn’t made a huge impact in the big league level yet but still. Tobias Myers (all due respect because he’s made it much farther than me) in return for Caminerno is one of the biggest steals in recent memory.
The Guardians took this video personally.
Nolan is my boy!! hes such an awesome guy! His dad Tom had humbled him. He is incredibly genuine got to have lunch with him years ago when he was down here for fall league
Worth noting that Benson was rule 5 eligible in 2021 & 2022 and went undrafted. He broke out in 2022 and im happy for him but it was reasonable to question how real it was
Still is, not like he’s been worth talking about yet this year
Getting Manzardo for 5th starter Aaron Civale could be a great steal for Cleveland.
As a guardian fan, this just make me feel so good, thanks jolly for adding salt to the wound. Great vid anyway.
Jones & Benson had some serious holes in their swings & the league has caught on.
this aged like ass my friend. Will Benson .683 OPS through 163 AB, Nolan Jones .520 OPS through 94 AB.
don’t question the Guardians front office moves. they’re the most competent in baseball
I love it thank you Johnny olive
I love the MLb Power Pros soundtrack man, so amazing and made me listen to the ad read!
Don't forger Santander, Urshela, and Yandy Diaz... just to name a few.
Us O’s fans say thank you to Cleveland for Santander .
@@Narfnam19 yall got lucky he got injured a bit into his R5 season because there's no way that team was keeping him and his 67 OPS+ (while ideally being a DH half the time due to D) on the roster all year.
He wasn't a trade but a Rule 5 pick that got kept bc of luck and a loophole
@@ezridaxsgender3914 and your point is ?
@@Narfnam19 so I guess the Cleveland FO says you're welcome for not putting him on the 40 man and immediately putting him on the 60 day IL...which some in the league would call THEM out for roster manipulation
@@ezridaxsgender3914 but they didn’t so thank you Cleveland .
I normally shitpost here about “sorry Trev” or something, but I wanted to take a moment to thank you, Jolly. Thanks for these entertaining and informative videos. And a big thank you for saying “Ladies, gentlemen, and everyone in between” in your intro.
Keep up the great work!
Nice vid Happy Grape
as a guards fan, i root for and miss these kids so much. our front office hurts my heart every year. shoutout to ernie clement too
As a Guardians fan the one that hurts the most is Nolan Jones. Will Benson was given the same amount of time as Will Brennan and only one Will B was going to stay, and Will Brennan, in Cleveland, looked better. The Reds are doing great things for Benson that Cleveland just wasn't doing - just like the Yandy for Bauers trade years ago where the Rays did great things for Yandy. The Straw trade for Maton/Yainer is terrible years later, but the Nolan Jones was never given a real shot when he was a top 5 prospect in our system for 3 years and I just don't get it...
Yandy could always hit. But cleveland wanted a power hitter, so we traded him for Jake Bauers... who hit .190 and we traded his trash play.
I'd still take Bo over Yainer and as good as his bat is, his framing is still bad and that's honestly more important to this team than his elite blocking
I understand feeling frustrated that we traded Jones, but Juan Brito is an absolute beast. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s called up by the All-Star break and makes an immediate impact. Watched him play in Akron last season and he’s phenomenal.
@@ezridaxsgender3914LMAOOOOOO Bo isn’t in the same universe as Yainer
It’s an issue with having too much talent at some positions. Brennan’s new swing looks good, Freeman has always been promising, especially now he can play OF. Brito has looked very promising thus far already getting to AAA. Nolan I agree though hurts the most, though thus far he has shown some regression.
I keep saying this: "THE DISCOUNT DOLANS". THE GEORGE STEPIEN OF THE MLB!
I like this new style of video keep it up 👍
Damn just trying to have a nice weekend and BAM
I think its far too soon to say Nolan Jones is good
Happy Grape is wild 😂
If someone could please make a compilation of all the "What is you doing baby" from Trev that would be greatly appreciated. My soul needs this.
3:10 *Happy Grape*
I LOVE IT X'D
Hey Jolly, I just wanted to say that your videos are helping me get through an incredibly tough time in my life. You create some of the best baseball content on UA-cam. Thank you for what you do 💯
The MLB Power Pros shop music never fails me
It’s like in The Office when Jim has to name all his pranks back to back and he feels mean when they’re all listed. Guardians are like “this looks bad back to back to back”
I know this is semi unrelated, but I just found out that in 2021 my Padres traded away Jack Suwinski for half a year of Adam Frazier & now I’m sad.
That sucks at least you didn’t lose Betts and Bogaerts in the span of 3 yrs
@@canaanlocke4375Oof, that’s rough. I don’t know much about the Sox, but how are they looking right now?
Well Bogaerts had a solid yr and was good and Betts 2nd in mvp voting last yr
Every team has something like this. Giants gave up Bryan Reynolds for a year of McCutchen. Dodgers gave up Yordan for Josh Fields.
@@zeeks23 Also Jays give up Moreno to the Dbacks.
“how the guardians traded an all star lineup” spends 10 minutes talking about will benson and nolan jones
Good points young man, but also during the 1960's we were the Triple AAA Farm Club for the Yankees, wanna get pissed off? look at all the talent we traded to the Yankees during those years....take it back to around 1957 thru 1966
You're gonna make Fuzzy cry with this one.
Amazingly the Guardians are in first place in the AL Central as of this writing with rookie manager Stephen Vogt. And they have highly rated prospect Kyle Manzardo just recalled, who they got from the Rays in exchange for starting pitcher Aaron Civale.
Cleveland has the best front office in the MLB. They have been almost flawless in the past 10 years. Surprised to see this.
Exactly! There is such a disparity between perception and reality. CLE sports fans may be more guilty than any in advancing the myth of how bad the front office is. I'm always seeing on CLE sites people talk of how bad the franchise is, then you look and see they've put up winning season after winning season for years.
Cleveland is cooking rn tho-
Can’t forget they also traded Yandy Diaz and Junior Camenaro to the Rays for nothing
Astros fan here. The fact we got Yanier Diaz who mashes at a non-premium position like catcher for Myles Straw is an absolute steal.
Clubhouse Leadership above replacement sent me 😂
The indians constantly win almost every trade.. flipping brandon phillips for like grady sizemore and cliff lee, flipping cliff lee, nit paying Lindor.. they have a crazy good farm system, decelop pitching better than any other team in the league for about 3 decades, they just never manage to lock down those power bats and refuse to spend any money on their players so they always end up on boston, houston, LA, NY.. besides not spending money its one of the best managed teams in the league.. this is insane
And they have the longest current World Series drought. Although they prob should have won in 97
Tribe got hosed on the B. Phillips trade with Reds: 04-07-2006 Traded by Cleveland Indians to Cincinnati Reds in exchange for Jeff Stevens (June 13, 2006). You are thinking of the trade of Bartolo Colon, where the Tribe acquired Phillips, Sizemore and Lee for a Cy Young-winning pitcher.
Will benson ! He’s my favorite red rn and baseball player I’m glad we flecced the tribe for him
Sensational
Nice video but most of these players probably wouldn’t have developed had they stayed in Cleveland. Lotta players break out with a change of scenery or to train under a new coaching staff.
Google what the A's got in return for Mark McGwire, Josh Donaldson, Matt Olson, Matt Chapman and Sean Murphy.
I think the most painful is going to end up being Junior Caminero for Tobias Myers.
Live to see it though since I will never recognize the “Guadians.”
excellent video and truth
A’s next! That roster a few years ago was nasty.
Freezing Cold Takes:
Outside Yanier Diaz this is aging like sour milk. Benson .190 60 SO & Nolan .170 demoted to platoon.
Pedro Grifol is a big believer in Clubhouse Leadership above replacement
2024 Season is very young, but the Guards are 5-2 and have scored the most runs in the AL so far... time will tell.
Nolan Jones was a 3B when they traded him, he was stuck behind Jose
Will Benson did absolutely nothing for his 30 games in Cleveland in 2022 while Oscar Gonzalez was on fire. They went with Oscar and it didn't work. Oh well.
As stated Naylor is the catcher of the future for Cleveland and when the Diaz trade took place we had a log jam at Catcher in the organization.
There are way worse trades to pick at. Yandy Diaz, Aguilar, Yan Gomes
Hahaha hahaha buying talent in Cleveland? That doesn't happen
This is hilarious because the offense is looking good this year. I will say they pulled the trigger too early on some of them. But Nolan is doing good in Colorado where balls fly. They also have chase DeLauter, manzardo and will be getting Bazzana or Condon. They'll be ok.
Without losing those 9 games jolly talks about there would be no bazzana or conden in CLEs future …
id say the guards did just fine in these trades. Freeman, Brennan, and Scheeman have filled their roles just finw.
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Possible hot take, Yainer swings so much and walks so little that he will get 3000 hits.
Good to see it isn't only the Cardinals that do this lol
the guardians are like position prospects, we have no patience for, pitchers, we'll wait ages for you
It has been a full decade since a Cleveland outfielder has hit 20 HR in a season
I think something important to note with Nolan is that he was a third baseman coming up in the minors Cleveland doesn't need a third baseman.
That being said, I was still hella sad when that trade happened. Being a Cleveland fan is not fun sometimes lol
Cleveland very rarely loses trades and time usually proves that
0:39 I'm sure you'll get to it bc after all you are the Happy Grape, but Junior Caminero could be on here, too somewhere!!
looooool didn't even know there'd be a Happy Grape reference later on!!!
Commenting while the Guardians are 51-26 with the best record in baseball
Bro we literally let a borderline hall of fame line up walk in free agency over the last 3 decades .. and we almost never suck. Either average or pretty solid. Sometimes hard to watch. Always competitive though
Yeah as a Guardians fan it hurt to lose Benson, Jones, and Junior but I am rocking with Bo over Diaz long term. The trade would not be nearly as bad if Oscar was able to continue any kind of success that we saw in late 22. Dude fall off the face of the earth.
I think you’re going to want Yainer instead.
@@mike-0451 in a few years I might agree with you, but the vibes of the Naylor bros are elite.
Jolly why are you making Fuzzy cry this morning
Checking in after the Guards beat the Mets, how are the Guards doing?
Ugh please don’t remind me of all of these players. For some odd reason, the franchise will hold on insanely long to old washed up veterans, but give up on young hitters within 1-2 years. It’s insanely frustrating. We’re the best at developing young pitching, but we don’t have a clue how to assess or develop hitting.
It's not all that odd, it's actually pretty common...ownership is just extremely cheap. They trade young players just as they're breaking out aka becoming expensive future contracts. Teams like the Marlins, Rays, Pirates and many others, operate the same way. It's gotta be extremely frustrating being a fan of one of those teams. I'm a Phillies fan, our owner spends money, it's awesome.
its the bane of my existence
Anyone with knowledge understands we have Phillips every chance under the sun to produce. He just didn't.