The Shocking Decline of the Cubs' World Series Core
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Anthony Rizzo, Javier Baez and Kris Bryant became young legends on the North Side in 2016. But several years down the line, all three are at a crossroads, in the lowest points of their careers.
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Had to trim out about 30 seconds around 4:20 due to copyright issues. Apologies for the awkward cut there.
No one noticed that 😂
Was the number 20 copyrighted?
Still can’t believe Rizzo has been playing with a concussion for so long. Hopefully that doesn’t lead to any long-lasting, or permanent damage.
By not shutting him down, the Yankees actively put his life in danger. If he were to take another blow to the head, it could genuinely kill him. I think the Yankees just told him to play through it, which imo is absolutely disgusting.
Rizzo was my favorite of those Cubs. As someone who suffers from post-concussion syndrome, I hope Rizzo doesn't suffer any permanent damage because it sucks!
@@danbratten3103 not a cubs fan, but nobody deserves brain damage + he seems like a nice guy
Hope he doesn’t go the Justin Morneau route. That dude’s career pretty much ended after he got his.
I was born with a concussion from surviving the abortion and I'm fine.
That rizzo news is fucking awful. If the Yankees knew about that shit they better be penalized because if he gets hit again he might get second impact syndrome which can KILL him. I know that is blowing it up but that is truly horrible
I really wish they wouldve at least kept rizzo, he was the new mr cub. He wouldve been a good consistent vet to have around
Can’t wait til Jolly drops the off-season vid about how weird the cubs season was
I see your ... Like Clockwork poster. Elite taste.
2016 Cubs had so much promise but they turned out to be like the 1985 Chicago Bears.
I know selloffs are generaly seen as a bad thing but even if rizzo bryant and baez had succes after being traded I still think it was the right moove to moove on and not try to go all out to extend them and end up with half your payroll going to veterans past their prime
So while the cubs have been hot this year now you want to make this vid 😂
Actually I think the weirdest part about the Kris Bryant deal is that the Rockies signed him even though they aren’t looking to contend for the next few seasons
The Cubs got to the world series because of pitching not because of young over rated "superstars". The biggest problem afterward is they believed they were superstars and all they had to do was show up. They faded every year in the second half... lack of conditioning. Except Baez who just never was that good.
As a guy that cheered so hard for the Cubs to finally break the curse, their declines truly sadden me. Thanks Jolly!
We will never forget 😉
@@theplumber9427 Agreed.
No me. #brewcrew
Lotta gRape goin down on the North Side son.... lots of it.
The CORE blew the '18-19 Divisional Titles
EGO. EGO. EGO
Those guys are all Cubs heroes, and will live forever in the hearts of Cubs fans around the world. Having said that, it was absolutely unequivocally the right decision by the front office to move on when they did and cash in on those guys when they still had some trade value. I love them so much, and I will miss watching them forever; I’m so grateful to them for breaking the curse, and bringing some pride and respect back to this franchise. They did the impossible, and no one will ever take their place in this town. They are Cubs legends. Now, new legends are being born on the Northside, and hopefully this group, with some help, will be able to do what those guys did, bringing us another championship.
Looks like they took the curse with them
Extremely well said
If anything, they waited too long to make trades. Bryant and Baez in particular.
@@dparis2172 true
Well written 👏👏👏💃💃
I hope Rizzo can recover and come back to be the player he is. Really like Rizzo he's a quality ball player IMO and the kind of guy you need for a winning team.
he is 33. HIGHY DOUBTFULL
Yeah unfortunately he’s 33 and has back problems
@@MyKeeP81yeah. 33 doesn’t mean he can’t play
he had a concussion since may but yankees med staff aint see
Seriously how can the Yankees even have let the man play like that hopefully it doesn't cause any long term damage
That 2016 World Series is the greatest World Series I’ve ever watched. Neck and neck all through game 7
2001 Dbacks-Yankees & 2002 Angels-Giants have entered the chat.
@@bobbyverdin79152011 Rangers-Cardinals is typing...
@@bobbyverdin7915no
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Byung hyun kim was still basically done after that and yet he win a world series ring. And I am told he has a dubious ring as a 2004 Red Sox member.
As a Sox fan I don't mind Rizzo until he obviously joined the Yankees. But the fact that poverty franchise kept playing him knowing he had concussion is just sad and I feel bad for him.
Cubs fans, I know you're sentimental with this core group but you should be ecstatic that you dealt these guys while they still had somewhat of a value and got some promising prospects. Also, banners fly forever.
100% it sucks it ended the way it did but it was the right move.
The roster tear down was timed perfectly a year before both Baez and Bryant hit a wall.
It wasn't surprising. They were protecting bad pitchers too. Yankees being dirty is ingrained in baseball spirit
im a yankees fan, and i wholeheartedly agree with you. this team is a joke
Yankees fan here. I’m enraged at how the team has handled a bunch of things this year, with their treatment of Rizzo being chief among them.
Even to this day, I’m truly convinced that Ellsbury was a secret undercover agent for the Red Sox during his tenure with the Yankees
Love this take
All free agents have this possibility. Take the money and relax.
@@kevinhendrix3536MEATY KOK rammed into a WATERMELON
His Yankee tenure alone should get him on the Red Sox Wall of Fame.
Not Mentioned: Kyle Schwarber might end up being the best piece of this group. The funny thing is Kyle didn’t get his contract picked up/tender for 2021
Yeah they let him walk for nothing and he signed a cheap 1 year deal with a new team. Why the Cubs didnt give him that is still baffling
Right!! Especially since everyone knew the DH was coming to the NL. Every team wants a lefty power bat in their line up. When he’s hot he can carry a team.
Schwarber has negative WAR on the season, -0.5 if you use fWAR and -1.1 if you use bWAR. Either way, he’s not exactly doing better than the rest of them.
@@FroyoMNS He was good for 2 years after the cubs let him walk for nothing. He signed a cheap 1 year contract to another team. Cubs could have used that affordable contract and his production for a trade to get prospects or keep him and give the team some much needed power. Not saying he'd be good to have this year, but he's been solid since they let him go other than an average OPS+ this year.
I grew up watching the likes of Lee, Soriano, Zambrano on those late 2000s early 2010 years. The fact the cubs won in 2016 still feels so surreal. It was like a lightning in a bottle (and a bit of a rain delay) victory
As a Cards fan…. I remember those teams as well.. they were really fun to watch! Prior, Wood, Big Z…. There were a lot of good players on those teams.
Even though he's the roid man you gotta include Sammy. I grew up watching the same teams and I was a young young kid and I loved sosa at the time
@@brandonbouchez7195 haha, Sammy was a little bit before my time.
@@brandonbouchez7195remember the trio of Sammy, Pee hands Alou, and Speedy Corey Patterson? Those were the days, lol I still remember Joe Borowski and LaTroy Hawkins blowing saves
Read that off the wikipedia page did ya? Dee bag.
Rizzo might be having a rough 2023, but that hasn't changed how us Yankees fans feel about him. He's an amazing clubhouse presence and a joy to watch. Hope you get better soon, man
Whoa you’re talking about him and to him…
Rizzo glove is the best
lol you're in the minority judging by their sub
What about the dawg beeting allegations son? Looks like he did it... u cool with him just beetin' a dawg to def with his bear hands cuz he lost money on a dawg fight to an underdawg? I don't care what he brings to the hen hizzy... i ain't cool with him beetin dawgs like that son!!!
@@dnoloc It's not his glove son... it's his hand that is the best. He can JO any man to a conclusion he'll never forget son!!
Thanks Jolly. As a lifelong Cubs fan who was heart broken to say goodbye to those boys, this video was surprisingly therapeutic
Javy is so frustrating to watch as a Tigers fan most days he’s terrible but randomly for like a week he’s incredible and one of the best players you’ve ever seen and then back to being one of the worst hitters in the league again
He has worse plate discipline than Lizzo.
@@joerapo noooo 😭💀
@@joerapoA double homicide Jesus christ
I will always admire and respect these three. While 2016 feels like a lifetime ago given how much has happened in the world, in baseball and at large, Rizzo in particular will always be my favorite Cub. Despite growing up watching Sosa and Grace, who were my favorites. I'll wear my World Series branded Rizzo jersey proudly for the rest of my life.
Could be worse, you could be Cleveland and not only NOT win a World Series but squander yet another playoff contending core.
100% was the right move. It sucks it had to end that way but I really feel like they made the right move cutting ties with everyone. My heart wishes Rizzo was still a Cub though.
I'm with you. Rizzo was ,is, and will always be my favorite cubbie🫶🏻
Cubs fans know the 2016 World Series was the greatest sports moment ever
I don’t care what they’re numbers are these days. I’ll always love these guys.
Concussions are fascinating and scary. I hope Rizzo gets the rest and treatment he needs and that his family hasn’t suffered too much with him.
Well atleast we finally got answers on Rizzo, dude got a concussion in MAY and it took NYY medical staff this long too get him on the IL which is funny because I was just talking about how suspect NY team doctors seem to be. MLB tonight showed split graphics since the head injury and before and its scary how opposite the stats are
Hot Take: The decline of Baez and Rizzo may not have happened/ been as bad had they stayed on the Cubs. The only reason Rizzo was bad this year was because of the Yankees playing him for two months after a concussion that should have landed him on the IL in June. I'm not saying the Cubs necessarily would have done better but that whole situation is not on Rizzo, its on the Yankees for being absolute dumbasses and irresponsible with the health of their 1st baseman who was top 5 in the league pre injury. As for Baez, the biggest issue for him is that he's being asked to be a 3 hitter on a bad tigers team. Baez does not hit 3rd well. He is much better as a back of the order bat with talent around him that will give you power and some good defense at Short, 2nd, 3rd or wherever else you can fit him in. He's a skill monkey, and on a good team he's great because he's not the lynchpin. Detroit wants to build around him and he's nowhere near consistent enough to do so, never has been. I'm not saying bryant would be better or worse because injuries happen, but it is weird that the rockies took a third baseman and said, yes! our new Left Fielder. Just Rockies being Rockies ig
By pre injury I mean pre collision with Tatis, which is likely when Rizzo got concussed
it hurt a lot when we traded the core away, but it was in hindsight the best option and i was happy that we sent them to where they wanted to go. i will always cheer for their success and i hope they all bounce back. they are great ball players and even better humans. cubs legends for life. thank you for the video jolly.
I had known that the core wouldn't last since the 2018 season. Their bats were too inconsistent from that year until 2021.
We had game 7 of 2016 and that’s a top 3 moment of my life (and it’s not 2 or 3 on that list)
Just super sad that this was our only title, or even WS appearance :(
How on Earth did the Yankees’ medical staff not realize that Rizzo had a concussion for 60+ days? The PA should be livid.
I wasn’t sad to see Baez go. He’d go cold when the Cubs needed him to hit, and would get hot when everyone else cooled down. He would freely admit he wasn’t going to change anything, while whiffing at strikes at a record pace. I thought this core would make a dynasty.
Yeah, Javier is like Shawon Dunston was. Swings at bad pitches and not willing to take a walk. He's still a great fielder though.
Mad respect for the …Like Clockwork poster. My personal favorite QOTS album.
Kyuss was better. F Josh Homme. He won't do a Kyuss reunion
I'm not gonna lie but I cried when they traded all the talent but Hoyer knew that these guys are way too overrated in the eyes of other teams and knew he could get a lot of prospects to rejuvenate this team and I love how we have a top 2 farm system now and also how he has built a new core in just 2 years. They are gonna be a very very serious contender in the next 2 years. Amazing job done by Hoyer even if he made me cry in 2021.
It’s not really fair to limp Anthony Rizzo in with decline. He’s still a really good player. He just played with a concussion for 2 months
I think is very common for a team to have a great core, and not win a single championship or just one overall. I think of the Phillies, Braves, Rangers, and Dodgers. Overall, is very hard to win a World Series. I’m just grateful the cubs were able to win at least 1 with the group of guys they had. Hope this time they can win multiple. Go Cubs!
Exactly!! Perfectly said!!! Look at the Dodgers. All that talent and money. Yet, they only won one and it was the shortened Covid season.
@@jasonmilly3320 Exactly. Winning a World Series is a huge accomplishment. That’s what matters the most. I find it funny when I see people post “oh we locked in our core group until 2029. We are going to be scary for a while..”
you don’t really know what can happen in between those years. Guys get injured, don’t play to their potential, or need to retire for personal issues.
I’ve read Bryant wanted to be close to home in vegas and colorado offered the most and is only a couple hour plane ride home
Rizzo was the hardest to see go. He just seemed like such a great person and his story of coming from back from cancer and becoming an amazing player for us was so fun to see.
Also, there was a lot of Cubs fans who had soured a bit on Javy. He was such a fun player to watch but you couldn't help but see that the swinging at everything was going to be bad so much worst as his body aged. He was a highlight defender but he'd also try to do much and cost the team badly at times.
I remember crying at the deadline when all of my favorite players got traded away. It really felt like the end of an era that I wasn’t ready to let go of. Of course in hindsight, it may have been the best thing they could’ve done but it absolutely sucked seeing them all go at once.
couldn't agree more. Knowing we're not locked into massive albatross contracts is nice, but man that was a very rough couple of weeks. Total malaise at least for me, like a breakup with a girlfriend you really thought may have been the one
I wanted them all gone besides Bryant. For some reason I thought he would bounce back. He had so much talent and was just a great ball player. I understand why they were all sold off and it’s literally one of the best moves Jed Hoyer ever did.
Much as we can talk about the core I think it also comes down to the pitching too. Arrieta had only a brief window of dominance, Lackey was in his twilight, Hammel was on the decline, Jon Lester had his best season and only one more great one after that, and even Kyle Hendricks has struggled since the pandemic. That whole rotation was great that year, but for a multitude of reasons was never gonna recapture that magic.
As a cubs fan it still hurts that these boys couldn’t get it together for one last run at it. I wish em all the best tho. Hopefully they all can get it together. Always wanna see these guys succeed.
Another one's comin' .... the Cubs will win another pennant during the 20s ... bank it
The decline of the core of the '16 Cubs wasn't surprising to people who were paying attention. That team peaked as soon as that last out was made in Cleveland. To a man, they knew it was never going to get better than that for the rest of their careers. The championship hangover lasted all the way up until they were all traded away. Yes, they made the playoffs after winning it, but they were never a real threat, stumbling out of an awful division followed up by brutal playoff performances.
They got theor shit together kinda in 2017 and took out the Nats but ran out of gas against the Dodgers.
@@danr154FR. If the cubs had played like they did in the 2017 nlds, they could have possibly beaten the dodgers or at least forced a game 6 or 7
I won't be popular for saying this, but I blame Maddon. He was a micro manager. He constantly changed the lineup. He wouldn't allow his starters to pitch themselves out of trouble when they were quite capable. He damn near blew game 7 with his ridiculous pitching changes. He brought in new coaches who were clearly not making improvements. He inherited a dynasty and picked it apart.
2016 is both a short time ago and a long time ago.
The core members of the 2016 World Champion Cubs simply lost their hunger. Kris Bryant turned 25 in early 2017, and, by that age, he had achieved everything possible in baseball and, maybe, in life: Rookie Of The Year, N.L. Mvp, Pennant, and World Championship. In addition, he was financially set for Life, and got married. He had nothing left to achieve, and nothing left to prove. In addition to that, they won the World Title in the most dramatic fashion possible, and ended the longest drought in the history of American sports. They were feted all winter by the American media (and Rightfully so!), and .... yeah, the hunger disappeared. Even so, they did return to the NLCS in 2017, but .... yeah. Don't worry Cub fans, another dynasty type of team is likely just getting started at 1060 W. Addison St., in Chicago, Illinois. 8-)
“Weirder then throwing 125 million to a “WASHED UP”!?!?!? Josh Hamilton.” God that’s an awful take by Jolly. He was top 5 MVP vote getter in his contract year and MVP 3 seasons prior. Like I get he blew up in LA and maybe that’s what he means, but it’s worded as if they signed an ALREADY washed up Hamilton. When he was essentially at his peak.
Even though I'm a Sox fan, this still really saddens me.
I think every logical Cubs fan knew what was going to happen, regarding trading off Rizz Bryant and Baez. And I look back and see 3 last gifts and memories they left us with near the end of the line..
Rizzo giving us a 16 pitch AB that ended in a homerun.
Bryant had a couple clutch hits and homeruns
Baez (which is by far my favorite moment) getting the sweetest revenge against the Reds, more specifically Amir Garrett and I gotta say it...1 PITCH!!
Fuck I hate Garrett 🤣
I respect the edit with the updated information on Rizzo. That is very professional.
I totally missed that news. That is terrible for Rizzo. Concussions can really mess you up.
It's such piss poor management that the Yankees put Rizzo out on the field bc of a concussion. And on saturday when YES network showed replay of the collision, Michael Kay was like, "huh? how?".
As a Cub fan. I can say for sure that Baez was beloved, he was nowhere near as well liked as Rizzo. He was prerty much biggest fan favorite. Baez has an ego problem and still does. Reason why he has issues with discipline. Rizzo is stil beloved in Wrigley. Always will be a Cub.
Also I would have included Schwarber. He was apart of the core and definitely was productive in getting the ring. Him and Rizzo hurt me the most as a Cubs fan.
It's truly sad to see how bad they got
Cubs fan here-I was glad our front office tore it down but most of these guys have been average at worst compared to their careers. Minus Baez, everyone just got a bag lol
@@jakobpopaeko6435 Agree. It was a depressing day, but it was the right move.
The curse was broken but Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, and others have each taken a piece of that curse with them.
Bryant is the one that surprised me. He was best college player, best minor league player, ROY, and then MVP and WS ring.
Is that why he's mentally and physically unprepared? It's all past him?
Good vid! I have to point a disturbing fact. When these "super stars" in the making finally get monster contracts with insane $$, they dont perform like they used to. The list is long in the league. You can't blame the players for getting their money. However...they aren't earning their paychecks. It's quite sad. $$ is the root of all evil. And players in MLB are showing why this is. But also the owners of these teams paying insane amounts of $$ to " potential " stars is truly insane. Keep up the geat work.
Liking for the QOTSA poster
Does the revelation of Rizzo's concussion remind anyone of Ryan Church's concussion? It's probably a very different situation, but still...
When the Angels signed Josh Hamilton he was coming off a monster year, not washed up
Yeah I’m not sure where that innuendo came from at all. He very nearly robbed Miggy of the triple crown during that walk year. Like what?
As a lifelong Cubs fan, I was more than devastated when 2021 came around. It wasn't the firepower of 2016 but it felt like we still had a chance. That month long drop from 1st place to multiple consecutive sweeps to selling off fan favorites made me feel like wtf were we doing?! But in hindsight boy does it look like the right moves all around. Rizzo is really the only one (maybe Kimbrel too) who is on a typical aging trajectory but everyone else, Willson Contreras included now this year has COMPLETELY shit the bed
I really hope the Rizzo part ages poorly. The Yankees really need to stop just trusting players when they say I feel great. Need to start doing tests when something is clearly wrong.
I absolutely hated the breaking up of the World Series core, but even I can admit it was the right move despite not liking it at the time
Even as a Cardinals fan, I feel bad. As much as I wanted to see the Cubs lose the World Series, I still respect these players.
You should do one for the 2015 Royals (Hosmer, Cain and Moose) for when they left after 2017
YOOOOOO!!! Jolly, loving that Queens of the Stone Age poster. Are you gonna see them on their tour this year?
Here in April 2024 it looks even more prescient that the Cubs let these guys walk.
people forget one of the biggest reason cubs won the world series was because of addison russell, for two or three years he was arguably one of the top 3 best shortstops defensively and really turned it on offensively in the world series run.
shocking? It's called getting older
The most amazing part about the aftermath of the 2016 Cubs is that pretty much every one of them got worse after the WS win - they had so many young players and it seemed like better years were ahead for most of them. Unfortunately, the only players you could argue had one/two better years following the WS Title would be Baez, Contreras, Schwarber and Soler - and that's only because they had next to no MLB experience prior to 2016, with the majority of Scwharber/Soler's success coming while playing for other teams.
Another interesting fact about the cubs 11 game losing streak, it came after a combined no hitter against the dodgers. Then it was downhill from there
I think started when lost 8 years of ADDISON RUSSEL
Kris Bryant was never the same after he got hit in the head twice in Colorado (one trying to steal second and the other batting).
It’s kind of crazy, considering how everyone thought the Cubs were ahead of schedule winning the WS in 2016. It was a young team but little did we know that the championship window was already closing. Also, let’s not forget about the former #1 prospect in baseball, Addison Russell, who is out of the game completely now and Kyle Schwarber, aka Babe effing Ruth, currently batting under.200.
As a Cubs fan the only one I still wish we would’ve kept is Rizzo. He could have been a good veteran leader and should have been a Cub the rest of his career. But all of the trades certainly seem they’re gonna end up in our favor
has anyone here had a concussion ?
cause i have and i promise you 2 months of bad play due to a concussion is an excuse. a poor one at that
It would be epic to see at least some of the magical core return to Chicago someday. That was such a cool time in Cubs history. Unforgettable!
God no
Props to the Cubs for trading all of them .
They look smart now
Kris Bryant did it to himself though. He could have gone anywhere else but he chose Colorado
Exactly why would anyone willingly go to that team? besides Money
Im am genuinely shocked that team didn't rip off atleast one more world series before they were dismantled.
As a Cubs fan, That deadline hurt us. But then again, rebuild was necessary anyway so it made sense. Seeing how these guys are doing? Glad we let them go. Jeez. They haven’t been the same.
As a Mets fan (just like Jolly), I hope them recently blowing it up at the deadline for the most part this year provides similar results. In the present the moves hurt but in the long-term, maybe the team will be better off because of the moves made. Only time will tell. Please take one of the wild cards from the Phillies!
As a cubs Fans it hurts to see Rizzo and baez struggle and Bryant struggle with injuries, even schwarber still struggling with a low batting average
2016 was so amazing and the it took 5 years of Theo just building up draft picks to get the offensive talent
You should do worlds largest immaculate grid that would be sick
Kind of upset he forgot to talk about schwarber and his moster stint with the red sox!!
Love your ‘…Like Clockwork’ poster in the back!
Rizzo is the most non yankees player to play for the yankees
Life long Cub fan. Was not sad at all when Baez left. One of the most undisciplined players ever.
Swung at everything
@@MikeNapoli1989 I mean you have to give him credit for pretty much inventing the swim move on the bases but still a very selfish player at bat. He was also very good at allowing a throw to go through on a contested play at a base (tag) instead of reaching out with his glove and trying a sweep tag. Drives me nuts more professional players don’t do that.
With what we know about concussions now i’m shocked more protocol wasn’t taken the moment that played had occurred. More than anything i’m disappointed in the way my Yankees are being run right now because it does not at all seems like a healthy environment to be in. The reports about German and Rizzo from the last few days need to remembered for the off-season and an overhaul from Cashman down to Boone needs to happen.
Also shoutout Jolly for the video, really like your explanation for what went into each players decline
Always love Jolly's content and perspective on all things baseball, but I stopped the video to subscribe the second I saw the QOTSA poster on the wall. My man.
🤝
Most talented World Series team I had ever seen in my lifetime.
The Cubs knew what they were doing fosure 😂
This video was amazing to watch and as a Rockies fan I really hope Kris Bryant can stay healthy, part of the reason he signed with us was to lead the rookies and all these players should be up in the next couple of seasons so hopefully we make a run at it. But I think Charlie Blackmon is better to lead the Rockies then Kris Bryant
Weirdly, Ellsbury was actually not terrible in the 2017 playoffs (and then he truly disappeared)
Yep
I cant believe what the Yankees did to rizzo thats evil
Why is jomboy one the hastags on this video?
Sweet QOTSA poster and sweet video!
Ya gotta know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. As a Cubs fan since the early '80s, I think I speak for a lot of us when saying that we're not heartbroken over the loss of the core 3. It was always about the money, and that's ok.
I'm only half-joking when I say I think the Rockies might have had some dirt on Bryant. Who TF would willingly play in Colorado? I seem to remember Kevin Pillar saying the clubhouse atmosphere was godawful
The third wild card is a decent playoff spot.