The Schmeisser MP-28,II at the Range
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We have previously looked at the original MP-18, the System Schmeisser improvement, and the followup MP-28,II design on the table - but we have not taken the MP-28 out to the range. So, that's what we are doing today - how does it compare to its Schmeisser-magazine predecessor?
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IMO, first generation SMG's like this are the coolest of the breed.
Toob guns is best guns
Bill, it's always a bigger kick, IMHO, when it's a piece of history like this that you get to pick up and shoot....
As opposed to a replica.....
I've fired 5 or 6 different reproduction 1873 Sharps rifles, and they were fun to shoot but none of them could compare to the actual 1873 Sharps that was made in 1882 that I was allowed to fire.....
One that had actually been out on the prairie of America in the 1880's and probably dropped a Buffalo or 2 on the way across America to feed a wagon train....
The same with the 1873 trap door Springfield I owned that traced back to to 1883 US ARMY Infentry with it's bayonet and broken shell extractor....
Lord only knows the miles some soldier may have carted that rifle through history.....
Or the M1 Garand I had that was a CMP Rebuild from Korea that was lost in combat and bought back, and rebarreled to shoot again....
I could have put a new stock on it, instead of the split and pinned back together original....
But what pages of history would be lost in doing that❓🤔❓🇺🇲
That's why the MP5SD SMG that I shot was the finest SMG I ever used, but didn't give me near the chills that I felt when I got to fire an original 1928 Thompson with the vertical grip, the Cutts Compensater, and the 50 round drum.....
The MP5 was a vastly superior weapon.....
But I still got a bigger kick (pun) out of the Tommy gun.....
That's why I feel Ian has the greatest job in the world (at least one of them) and he's one of the greatest at doing that job....
Because he always seems to find a way to give his audience a little piece of that feeling to each of us To keep and take with us....
So thank you for that Sir....
A satisfied customer
The coolest, but also the heaviest!
Aye. I love this design in particular.
I’m a big fan of the MP5, but reflecting on your comment, I really can’t say I disagree. First Generation SMGs really are cool as hell aren’t they? The MP28 is my absolute favorite in this category.
The barrel jacket of the MP18 is just sexy to look at.
IDK why, but perforated barrel jackets look awesome in my eyes.
Same with the PPsh series of smgs. Although the PPsh-41 is the coolest of all of them but of course that is just my opinion.
I now wanna barrel shroud everything.
And wooden stocks/lowers of course.
The MP-18/28 really does it for me too. I think part of it is the square cut front of the shroud with the vent holes drilled in it. *Ian style chef's kiss*
It's that classic vintage look. MP28, Sten, Sterling, Blastech E-11... everything that brings to mind films and war stories of the 80s. (And No One Lives Forever, of course.)
@@nickverbree I'm a big fan of the early Suomi, with its odd slanted muzzle end.
Ian- “it does have a selector lever, I suppose I should demonstrate semi-auto”
Everyone watching- no. You’re good, carry on.
A range video? On a Thursday? Truly blessed we are.
Praise gun Jesus!
All praise to our Lord, hail Gun Jesus!
I prefer disassembly videos but to each their own
Truly based he is.
Heh, like Ian was going to pass up a chance to fire that baby up. 😉👍
That chef's kiss at the end is what tells me he's getting one for himself if he ever gets the chance.
You just don't blow a chef kiss over anything sort of perfection.
The Germans are proving time and time again that they made some of the scariest sounding weapons. Thanks for the demonstration, Ian!
That’s NOT scary! Be on shore with a US BATTLESHIP launching a barrage of 18 inchers in your general direction, NOW THAT IS SCARY!
When a many holed perforated heat shield is displayed you just know that it is not going to end well for you ! That IS the evil looking part . If this shrouded barrel was put on a bolt action 22 it would be banned in California for that fearful reason !
Imagine you're marching through the Teutoburg forest in 9 AD with your Roman battle buddies and suddenly you hear 2:21
@@fn5756 I'd be pretty scared to hear it in 1944, surrounded by buddies with Garands, never mind year 9.
@@roberthahn3710cope harder
The usage of a Sten gun magazine begs the question, can the Sten take MP28 mags?
Wait a little and he will try that.
A fair question, if I've ever heard one
Theoretically yes, they are essentially the same.
Yes they can.
@@_ArsNova I think I figured out the myth of Sten taking MP40 magazines. It can’t, but many say it can because of manuals saying it can accept “Schmeisser” magazines.
However, as many of us know, the British soldiers called the MP40 the “Schmeisser,” despite neither brothers being involved with the design.
But, with this revelation, and Schmeisser being involved with this gun, then it’s actually true that the Sten can take “Schmeisser” magazines. And by that, we mean the actual “Schmeisser,” and not the MP40.
A terrifying soundtrack too.
I can't imagine running through a Northern European forest listening to that interspersed with the barking of German Shepherds coming after you.
Something I imagine as scary as fuck:
Imagine you are a young american/british man, joined the armed forces to kill some Nazis and protect your nation and free others. You are all lit up but then you see wounded, your first corpses. You think: "No big thing, scrifices happen and the germans are retreating, war is almost won." Than you get into combat, in the woods and you hear (sub-)maschinegun fire, angry german voices, screams of agony, plains humming over your head and then artillery bombardment.
Hearing the old reports of former soldiers from any side are so chilling.
@@18Krieger id shit my pants if a mg42 let loose in a quiet forest i was patrolling in. That thing will rip you apart. Not to mention the roar of that gun...
@@18Krieger Nice try, sheep.
Shepherds coming after you? Riiiiiiiight. ;)
I can see why it's "smooth" in the slo-mo, as the bolt slows and stops just before it hits the back of the receiver, it looks like, so no slamming going on with a too soft spring or too light bolt. It's tuned juuuust right. :)
Constant recoil invented over one hundred years ago. Truly there are no new ideas in the world. 😂
holy crap pay attention to his upper arm in the slow-mo! You can see his triceps tensing up and relaxing in sync with the gun.
I should have looked to see if anyone else noticed before commenting myself. It was a couple years ago the first time that feature was noted, and I look for it in all automatic slow-mo sequences ever since.
@@Ramonatho truly. People think the guns we have now are much more advanced lol. Same ideas just new fancy furniture, light weight alloys etc... I'd say small arms development from the 1950s (ak/ar) to now hasnt changed much. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel basicly.
Go look at the fg42 8mm mauser full auto at an insane rate of fire and the weight is nearly the same as modern combat rifles, the recoil isnt even that crazy on it from what ive seen from videos.
Amazing: sounds exactly like in the movies! Must have fired 10,000 rounds in “Where Eagles Dare”.
I was thinking much the same thing.
That is a great movie.
@@desertwolf3818 Might have more automatic weapons fire than any other movie I’ve seen!
That's the movie I call "Clint Eastwood Kills Everyone" I once sat and tallied all his kills in that movie, and it was in the 30s, compared to Richard Burton's handful. Also, that long range kill shot on the tower from the back of a moving bus with an MP-38/40.
Funny enough, Eastwood had just come off doing the spaghetti Westerns and had built a reputation for playing the dangerous gunman, only to completely eclipse his kill count in this one movie than all his westerns combined.
This sounds more like in that movie but in the movie they use MP-40s, which sounds somewhat differently IRL.
I've always known it as a fact but it still is a huge source of both wonder and amusement that a Sten mag fits a 1920s German SMG (and visa versa).
It was the original glock mag.
And ironically the gun that came 20 years later (Sten) was a much worse gun, even given was designed to be as cheap as possible.
The Sten was a simplification of the Lancaster wich was a copy of this.
Knowing that Ian says the magazine makes or breaks the smg, that is one hell of a magazine design.
It was deliberate. It means you can use any captured magazines. Very important if you are dropping them to the resistance movements or you are a commando on a raid.
I love how Ian puts great effort in pronouncing German names correctly.
As with a couple of other full auto guns you've featured, it's obvious in the slow-mo the bolt never reaches the rear of the receiver. There's no impact. So the spring stretches out recoil _evenly_ over the entire travel of the bolt. This dramatically increases the control and comfort firing, as is obvious from the slow-mo segments. Something I look for now every time.
What an insanely cool looking gun! That would still sell, even in semi only.
Watching the bolt handle, it's not bottoming out in the reciever- constant recoil before constant recoil.
It's really wild that such a small change can make such a large impact on how the gun handles in high-speed video. With so many SMGs you see the bolt slam the back of the receiver and the shooter gets jerked and the muzzle bounces off target. A heavier recoil spring or a slightly longer receiver completely eliminates that.
Please bare in mind todays 9mm ammos are absolutely not the same as the ordonance 9mm of the german army. Usually they used +P+ loads with steel core bullets. They might not had the same behavior at the time.
I hope whoever buys this enjoys it
Sucks to be broke
1920s and 1930s SMGs are really beautiful and interesting.
Truly is there anything more satisfying than that loud *CHUGCHUGCHUG* of an early SMG?
There's a great video of Jerry Miculek doing a magdump with a Grease gun, he says he thinks he can shoot a pistol faster than that thing fires on full auto. (spoiler: he can)
Ian, you’re the best! You never disappoint. I didn’t even expect you to shoot this gun but you did anyway. Thanks!
Still the sexiest sub gun ever made, not to mention classy.
Ian,
Range videos are great. It is too bad you cannot do one for every firearm that passes through your hands. But I know that is a complete impossibility.
Does the bouncing mag on the MP28 cause any wobble in the gun when you fire it?
Many thanks for ForgottenWeapons and the unique content you bring us.
I know there are a lot of sub guns out there but if I could afford one this would be it. 👍
Thanks for posting yet another of your excellent videos as well as telling the history of whatever weapon you show and shoot too.
Fascinating to see just how little movement there is in the slow-mo. No muzzle rise at all, barely any visually apparent motion... looks hugely comfy to shoot.
So Ian between the Thompson, Suomi, and MP-28/18, which of the first gen SMGs do you prefer to shoot?
Pretty sure the answer would be Suomi hands down.
Suomi.
@@ForgottenWeapons good awnser!
@@ForgottenWeapons Yup, I knew it 😊
Ah, but what about the FRENCH first gen SMG??? Not sure what that was.
The slow motion makes it clear how incredibly stable one can fire the gun.
Damn,just watched mp-28 vids yesterday... truly,a blessing from the gun Jesus
Watching the slow-mo I can see that this beast has relatively soft recoil. The bolt is slowed by that recoil spring beautifully, no horrible jerkiness of a bolt hitting the back of the receiver.
It is so awesome to see someone archive historical firearms and then be fortunate enough to take them to the range.
No gun is "quite" Thompson heavy! LOL
Suomi is :D
@@hipithautaa The Suomi at least benefits by having virtually no recoil. The Thompson is still a beast to control and weighs a ton to boot.
The slow and methodical fire rate make me happy I found this chanle
Briefly owned a Lanchester registered tube gun, wondering if someday you can do a comparison video and a short range video on both. My Lanchester was at my dealer awaiting the papers when my dealer called me and said if I'm interested in doubling my money plus some change left over, let him know. Sadly, I fell for it but made up for it in getting an SWD m/11. Sometimes, I have regrets but seeing and hearing the sirens of the dollar signs calling, it was hard to say no. Thanks for doing this video. Gorgeous sub machine gun.
The little perfection kiss at the end by Ian was the best!
Love ur content. I’m ex service British army and my first personal weapon was a Sterling. Which I loved. Keep up the great work
2:28 The classic open bolt SMG flinch!
I did the same when I dry-fired a Sten gun for the first time many years ago and was unfamiliar with open bolt SMG's. For a brief second, I actually thought it fired because of the sound and recoil from the moving bolt. My mother also did it when she dry-fired my MP-40.
Sweet. I used to work in a Military museum which had one. I was amazed at how heavy they are due to not being stamped metal.
And, from then on, Ian's "Kerchunk" became a technical term used far and wide in the shooting world...
Good morning Ian. Thanks for the vid.
You know its a good gun when Ian ends the video with a chef kiss.
Thank you , Ian .
Thanks for showing semi too!
Four years later, the range video. Had to watch the August, 2017 video to refresh my memory!
Thank you for the great work Sir
I love that what we would see as a safety is actually a fun switch
I am reminded once again. We were in the armoury cleaning sterlings and brownings. A buddy handed me another Sterling but first cocked it, put the safety on, pointed it at my head, and tried the trigger- safety worked so he handed me the gun. And then I found the duff round in the breach.
(We were in a cadet force on an RAF station for a week. We thought the best way to get on the range to do some shooting was to help out in the armoury for a couple of days. Next day we shot sterling, browning, and 😍SLR😍. I was hooked, I went on to RAF Regiment)
Last Saturday I got to shoot the MP-34. Nice! The MP-40 is still my favorite.
Another subgun that uses the Schmeisser magazine is the Belgian Vigneron.
My grandfather got to play with one of those while he was in service in the early 60's.
I hope you'll get the opportunity to check out one too in the future, i would love to see that!
Great info & démonstration. Really appreciate your videos.👍
That ia one nice looking smg.
That last burst was absolute perfection.
The MP28 was based off the MP18 (first SMG of WW1) and was the basis for first British SMG of WW2 (Lanchester) which was simplified to the STEN, which was copied by the Germans for the MP3008 as the last German SMG of WW2.
This is one I’d like to own, but then again, I say that for just about all of them
What a cool SMG!!! Love the shape, and performance....thanks
Is it just me or did we see a version on this on the Battle of Hoth ?? . . . . that muzzle design !
Not according to imfdb. It's been a while since I watched the movie, so I wouldn't rule it out, but perhaps what you saw was a Sterling? Those were widely used in the OT (as the Stormtroopers' standard issue blasters) and they also have perforated barrel-shrouds and feed from the side. Although neither feature is really prominent on the modified Sterlings in the film.
@@1SaG , we all know about the Sterling. It is that end muzzle design and barrel jacket, I've seen it somewhere .... I just can't put my finger on it. 🤔
If I had to guess, you’re talking about the DLT-20a??
@@slavsupreme5129 No, the DLT-20a had a kind of Sloped Cone shape to it. And it is not perforated. It is only perforated on the Barrel Jacket.
I'd love to see some clips of reloading the magazine. Would be nice to see how much of an improvement it is in the field compared to the snail drum
My maternal grandfather wasn't a huge fan of the Lanchester SMG, having used it extensively in the RN working in landing craft with Combined Ops.
Seems to shoot really well, nice!.
I don't really know how much control you have over it, but I much prefer the videos where the mic doesn't pick up so much of the sound of the bullets firing, and instead picks up the sound of the mechanical action of the gun. Being able to hear those delicate mechanical noises that you'd never hear in person over the sound of the gunfire, seems like an excellent reason to be recording a machine gun in the first place.
That sound is in so many war movies. Listen again. It was always the dubbed in sound of this gun.
Ooh I love that sound
Tiny little correction on the history lesson at the start: The Sten magazine comes from the Lanchester SMG, a straight copy of the MP28. The brits had a few in inventory and built upon that for the Sten. Otherwise, you're great as always.
I am lucky enough to own a transferable MP18 with the snail drum magazine. It is a heavy sub gun and has light recoil and a very smooth action. It’s quite noticeable with the snail drum mag inserted.
the massive slot on the side still allows dirt to get in to the system easily.
Essentially perfection in the making. No real fundamental differences between it and arguably by the best SMG ever made, the MP-38/40, just the ergonomics and ease of manufacture being perfected.
@@zoiders The folding stock is probably it's biggest weakness as a firearm I'll agree, but it was one of the first of it's kind worked reasonably well. But if you told me to pick the best 9mm SMG in the world today with iron sights, I'd pick the MP 40 over any gun save the MP5 and UMP.
I agree though the PPS 43 is a very good gun and I'd rate it second best of the war. Sten Mk 5 was good enough, it was still just a Sten but one that actually worked reliably lol.
@@zoiders I have, and I have a fairly extensive collection of this period firearms as well.
It's a lovely looking gun... Seems a nice smooth firing too...
The looks, the sound...
...damn, I drooled all over my keyboard, again...
Thanks, very interesting demo. Please show shots hitting down range so we can see effect.
The burst fire sounds like someone who doesn't know firearms was told to make the sound effect for a machine gun in a cartoon.
Last time I was this early, my right arm was the same size as my left arm
0.55 second mark im scared for Ians fingers lol
Ian is living the dream everyday.
The story of that magazine design is a fascinating example of how something done right can last for a long time and influence a large amount of stuff that comes after.
When I see the charge handle move with the action, I am always looking for a first aid kit nearby. Accident waiting to happen...
Thanks for the video and risking your life and limb :)
My Lanchester Mk1* uses Sten mags as you know - looks and sounds the same naturally with a very similar kerchunk on the first round and the same slow(!) rate of fire, given that it is a British copy of the MP28. Nice! Thanks Ian.
Imagine you're marching through the Teutoburg forest in 9 AD with your Roman battle buddies and suddenly the last thing you hear: 6:33
Ah the pure dakka of it. Thank you Ian.
That's quite the sound it makes
Looks really nice.
What I like about inter-war SMGs is, most of them are exceptionally nice. Their design says "trench broom" but their manufacture and finish says "display gun." It's like somewhere between the concept stage and production, someone said "what if we make it as expensive and as shiny as possible, guaranteeing our design won't actually be used in combat due to cost constraints?"
When WWII broke out, design philosophy became "we have some sheet metal, some springs, some pipe, and you can use the wood from the pallet they came on *if you have to.* You have until yesterday to make a machine pistol design." Such a stark contrast between guns like the one in the video and a Sten or a Grease Gun.
Wartime guns aren't expected to see long service.
Great video
4:30 Balance ! that, is the KEY ... same as for longer knives, and especially swords. The handle, back end, Must be heavy, and the front part of the hand, is the balance point. On a bullet weapeon, the balance, needs to be THERE . thanks, Mr Ian McCullem..
A shooting video on Thursday aren't we lucky
Interesting to see how much the gun jumps when it's empty and the open bolt slams home.
Fantastic guns! Thanks for sharing, appreciate it a lot.
Greets from the Netherlands 🌷, T.
What a beautiful Piece of History and classical timeless Design
Again fantastic vid as always and I was wondering how does this and the MP18 compare with the Thompson?
*Admit it; This weapon is one of Mankind's greatest achievements*
Im super glad you added this, I watched the "history of" videos quite a bit ago! Also, you very probably may have seen these but in light of your WWSD projects I thought you may be interested in a series of video of Mikhael Kalishnikov and Eugene Stoner conferencing in 1990 about their rifle designs with eachother that has been recently added to UA-cam. Its on Bakelite & Waffles page, so if you havent seen it, there it is 😁😁 and for anyone else who wants more great content amd knowledge!!!!
What a beauty !
What a quality! Milled from the full material and with a beautiful wooden buttstock.
The later submachine guns were manufactured under the conditions of the war economy and therefore came with stamped parts. The MP38 looks like the cheap version of the MP28.
Interestingly, wikipedia believes to know, that MP28 and MP40 weigh about the same when uncharged. About 4 kilograms. The MP28 looks much heavier.
I want one of these, but im unable to get one currently
Guess ill just have to make one. Semi auto, closed bolt of course.
A PCC run with this and/or the stemple could be interesting to see how’d it stack up to the calico
Have a great day
Man, you know you're living in a crazy world when a Sten magazine is the most reliable one you have. There's a bit of myth going around that MP38/40 magazines will fit the Sten, which they don't, but now I'm wondering if that myth actually comes from MP18/28 and Sten mags being interchangeable?
Wait, what? Ian tells us that the MP-28 magazine becomes the MP38/40 magazine. Odd then that the Sten mag would fit the one but not the other. Suddenly I feel like I could stand to watch a MP18/28/38/40 and Sten magazine deepdive.
@@Elmarby Ian isn't incorrect as the basic design formed the basis of the MP38/40 magazine and Lanchester/Sten, but there seems to be minor dimensional differences to the MP38/40 magazines that mean they're slightly too wide for the Sten magazine housing, even though they look near identical. Out of curiosity we tried multiple original Stens with multiple MP38/40 magazines and none of the latter would fit. I'm assuming that if a Sten mag fits an MP28 then the latter's mags would indeed fit a Sten though. Anyone own an MP28 magazine and Sten who'd like to try it and report back?
Built like a tank, with milled steel, that old school manufactured gun last forever with normal maintenance. Want.
Very cool gun!
I wonder if mp38 mags fit in the Sten.
It would be a good video to see what sens and German SMGs will reliably shoot.
0:58 tickled his finger and then he moved them, but notice how it slows the bolt.
The MP-18 is one of a handful of selectfire arms I actually have experience with. It is front heavy and quite off-balanced with those drums, but I find the weight and slow rpm keep them extremely controllable vs. others I've tried. It's no match for my Suomi, but I do much prefer its aesthetics.
There's something oddly satisfying in that low rate of fire sound...