Ians Top 5 SMGs

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    One of the questions I got for this month's Q&A was, "what are your favorite submachine guns?" Well, I figured that would be a good idea for a standalone video instead of just a Q&A answer, so here we are! My top SMGs are:
    5: vz61 Skorpion (honorable mention; more PDW than SMG)
    4: M/31 Suomi
    3: US M2
    2: Beretta 38A
    1: Gotta check out the video for that!
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  • @0ptera
    @0ptera 4 роки тому +2475

    Basically every SMG: simple systems to minimized cost.
    HK: Screw that, we are German.

    • @fabiogalletti528
      @fabiogalletti528 4 роки тому +46

      Anis Optera well, the Beretta is not near as complex, but for a simple blowback there are a real bunch of fancy not essential stuff in it.
      And M38A is not even a machine pistol: the name implies it is an automatic moschetto, mosqueton, carabine.

    • @pendelbembel
      @pendelbembel 4 роки тому +223

      HK like:
      Lets make G3 again
      but smol

    • @amclips2995
      @amclips2995 4 роки тому +104

      H&K engineers after a solid week of shoulder vs 7.62 NATO.. "we should make something that doesn't kick so hard"

    • @rickc2102
      @rickc2102 4 роки тому +4

      @@pendelbembel 😂👍

    • @antonkirilenko3116
      @antonkirilenko3116 4 роки тому +38

      PPS-43 to every other SMG: you don't know what simplicity is.

  • @CFABN267
    @CFABN267 4 роки тому +2130

    Dude asked a q&a question and gets his own video. Flex.

    • @Kremit_the_Forg
      @Kremit_the_Forg 4 роки тому +83

      I mean.. that must make him the pope or something right?
      The one worthy enough in gun jesus's eyes to get a whole video on a question?
      He clearly is a chosen one.

    • @wowomatic
      @wowomatic 4 роки тому +36

      @@Kremit_the_Forg The next logical question is who will be the Martin Luther to said pope? "Salvation is found through faith and faith alone! Also, .32 French Longue...."

    • @cultparade2981
      @cultparade2981 4 роки тому +7

      Sleeveless zip up hoodie in and of itself is pure flexology

    • @robertgaudet7407
      @robertgaudet7407 4 роки тому

      @@wowomatic Martin Luther is Rob Ski

    • @mitchg8797
      @mitchg8797 4 роки тому +2

      Pray to gun Jesus and gun Jesus answers

  • @demodude6865
    @demodude6865 4 роки тому +2524

    I love how Ian always so polite, calm, and friendly person. He truly does deserve the Gun Jesus title

    • @peregrine3845
      @peregrine3845 4 роки тому +29

      you haven't watched enough

    • @Mr_T_Badger
      @Mr_T_Badger 4 роки тому +48

      Farell A he really does have a soothing voice in these videos. This will sound weird but I’d love to hear him do bedtime stories. 😊

    • @platobach8309
      @platobach8309 4 роки тому +66

      Tom Snider : What? These aren’t bedtime stories??

    • @sambotherambo69
      @sambotherambo69 4 роки тому +16

      Watch him rip people at shot show.

    • @dekabnaeb6776
      @dekabnaeb6776 4 роки тому +34

      I once saw him throwing eggs at an old folks home

  • @user_name_redacted
    @user_name_redacted 3 роки тому +821

    Ian: I'd like a heckler and coke
    Waiter: sorry we only have heckler and pepsi

    •  3 роки тому +72

      I read "Waiter" as "Walther"

    • @shiftyFlacko
      @shiftyFlacko 3 роки тому +5

      walter

    • @bezahltersystemtroll5055
      @bezahltersystemtroll5055 3 роки тому +4

      ua-cam.com/video/s4bC7VkRCws/v-deo.html ;)

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 роки тому +9

      I want someone to start a gun company called Heckler and Peppsee (because Pepsi is copyrighted or something)

    • @bezahltersystemtroll5055
      @bezahltersystemtroll5055 3 роки тому +1

      @John wick is playing I watched John Wick with a girl and she left me 😡

  • @soloser-1tipodeporahi.899
    @soloser-1tipodeporahi.899 4 роки тому +1384

    For The SMGs ...
    Now For Top 5 For:Shotguns,Assault Rifle,LMGs,Etc....

    • @EtherFox
      @EtherFox 4 роки тому +175

      Revolvers, Semiauto Pistols, AOWs, Knives, Swords, Tanks, Mexican Restaurants...

    • @xJEPA44
      @xJEPA44 4 роки тому +132

      Bourbons, Hats, Moustache waxes, WMD's, Cough syrups...

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 4 роки тому +76

      Top 5 muzzle loaders, top 5 bayonets, top 5 prototype-military-service-rifles-that-never-went-into-large-scale-production, Top 5 Bergmans.

    • @MrArmybiker
      @MrArmybiker 4 роки тому +37

      His #1 Shotgun is definetly the Cobray Terminator. Ask him if you don't believe me ;-)

    • @turczech
      @turczech 4 роки тому +4

      It really would be nice to see those.

  • @joelfilho2625
    @joelfilho2625 4 роки тому +227

    Holy shit, the Beretta 38A looks like it had absolutely no recoil. Incredible since you're even firing it full auto, to the point it almost looks unnatural lol.

    • @dphalanx7465
      @dphalanx7465 Місяць тому

      Almost defeats the purpose of an SMG, though, with its size. The thing looks like a small carbine! From the shoulder is great, but what about from the hip and general speed of getting into action?

  • @BeingFireRetardant
    @BeingFireRetardant 4 роки тому +602

    Skorpion... for when you need to do a mag dump into a car window from the back of a motorcycle at a Cartagena intersection. And it's 1983...

    • @ChiefMiddleFinger
      @ChiefMiddleFinger 4 роки тому +30

      I have no recollection of any such activity, but yeah, what he said.

    • @MrThule
      @MrThule 4 роки тому +26

      But when it's 1986 and you need to shoot motorcycle chasing you out from back of pickup truck, you need Jatimatic.

    • @dodibenabba1378
      @dodibenabba1378 4 роки тому +5

      Uzi....

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy 4 роки тому +7

      @@MrThule ... a few hours after cutting off a slice of pizza with scissors.

    • @rogerhudson9732
      @rogerhudson9732 4 роки тому +3

      That's what the MP5K does even better.

  • @lachlanmackay6586
    @lachlanmackay6586 4 роки тому +205

    "Where is the mp5 on the list" "oh there it is"

    • @zekenotech
      @zekenotech 3 роки тому +3

      Now that's a tasty comment.

  • @metrazol
    @metrazol 4 роки тому +781

    New for 2020! Matrix Ian, Winter War Ian, American Trials Ian, Albanian Partisan Ian, Counter Terrorist Ian. Collect all 5!

  • @barrsm
    @barrsm 4 роки тому +452

    "Ian, what are your top five Bergmanns?" "This is the first of five consecutive videos..."

    • @TheEchelon1619
      @TheEchelon1619 4 роки тому +37

      Forgotten Bergmann's best youtube channel.

    • @RichardGoth
      @RichardGoth 4 роки тому +18

      **Bergmann intensifies**

  • @Arto257
    @Arto257 4 роки тому +52

    I absolutely love that the deciding factor in most of these is how much _fun_ they are to shoot. No finicky, argument-inducing statements about which is the most tactically superior - just Ian talking about which one brings him the most joy out on the range.

    • @hoilst265
      @hoilst265 9 місяців тому +2

      One of the many things I love about Ian is that he doesn't have the pretention of the typical guntuber who wants you believe that, at any second, he will be called upon to fast-rope into a hostage situation and take down terrorists.

    • @eric934
      @eric934 7 місяців тому

      ​@@hoilst265...and wants you to believe he's ready and has the balls for such a situation should it arise.

  • @hughquigley5337
    @hughquigley5337 3 роки тому +206

    Woah woah wait, wait... did Ian just say there’s a drum magazine that he *likes*?! 2:30
    Damn that must be the best drum mag ever

    • @DarkSpar13
      @DarkSpar13 3 роки тому +31

      He doesn't hate drum mags. He doesn't think they belong on military weapons, since they are complex, bulky, and expensive, all of which make them not really viable as a military service weapon.

    • @austinm.9832
      @austinm.9832 3 роки тому

      @@DarkSpar13 what about the suomis coffin mags?

    • @DarkSpar13
      @DarkSpar13 3 роки тому +11

      @@austinm.9832 What about them? They are hard to load, heavy, less reliable than standard stick mags, but on the other side they pack easily, and require less reloads. I don't recall Ian's opinions of the coffin mag, but I don't recall him thinking poorly of them.

    • @jacklau2558
      @jacklau2558 3 роки тому

      The gun overall is pretty nice all around. Shame there hard to get

  • @JkTheMixer
    @JkTheMixer 4 роки тому +390

    Finland mentioned, rendezvous at the market square!

  • @Gyrfalcon312
    @Gyrfalcon312 4 роки тому +241

    It was rather surprising to hear Ian admit he _hasn't_ shot every gun available.

    • @garypack1709
      @garypack1709 4 роки тому +21

      Gun Jesus is just being modest

    • @MrSaerrock
      @MrSaerrock 3 роки тому +5

      He didn't say he hasn't shot every gun available, just that his Top 5 SMG's just happen to be on video

  • @raulduke6105
    @raulduke6105 4 роки тому +138

    My uncle was in Italy during ww2 and he said the beretta 38 was prized and widely fought over and traded for

  • @2nolhta
    @2nolhta 3 роки тому +45

    Scorpion: 10 out of 10 Central European gangster would recommend that

  • @thedarkzibba7059
    @thedarkzibba7059 4 роки тому +158

    Top 5 blessed SMGs

    • @elijahaitaok8624
      @elijahaitaok8624 4 роки тому +21

      Rejoice! For his holiness Gun Jesus has anointed the 5 SMGs that grace our blessed allies and honoured enemies.
      Hopefully the M2 makes a civvie comeback now that Ian has mentioned it. And hopefully all listed pop up in popularity enough to fill civilian hands

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza 4 роки тому +2

      @TurboTestosterone
      *TwinTurboTestosterone 😒

    • @alleynkruk1568
      @alleynkruk1568 4 роки тому +1

      TurboTestosterone how do "firearms " connect with religion?
      What is your favourite five?
      Mine?
      1. Lithgow (black mountain barrel) .22 lr .50 od!

    • @limpetarch98k
      @limpetarch98k 4 роки тому +3

      Even tough Gun Jesus confirmed this didn't included the black sheeps of the MP5, aka those chambering in .40 S&W, 10mm Auto and .357 Sig. Apparentely, these commited the recoil sin, making these unholy.

  • @Tony-dh7mz
    @Tony-dh7mz 4 роки тому +366

    I knew an MP5 would top the list,
    I prefer the MP4, just better sound quality overall....

    • @MortisObscura
      @MortisObscura 4 роки тому +54

      MP4s are garbage, FLAC or nothing.

    • @St0RM33
      @St0RM33 4 роки тому +26

      @@MortisObscura nah raw WAV is the real deal ;p

    • @MortisObscura
      @MortisObscura 4 роки тому +8

      @@St0RM33 good luck getting that though, the file size is too large.

    • @tenhundredkills
      @tenhundredkills 4 роки тому +18

      @@MortisObscura There's no such thing as a file too large. You just need more storage :)

    • @SepticFuddy
      @SepticFuddy 4 роки тому +5

      ​@@MortisObscura I think you missed the joke, seeing as there's no benefit to WAV over LOSSLESS compression...
      Not to mention, FLACs still take up most of the space WAVs do anyway, just not *quite* so much

  • @9HoleReviews
    @9HoleReviews 4 роки тому +358

    Ian means “the Klobb”

    • @JonasRosenven
      @JonasRosenven 4 роки тому +23

      Probably the least satisfying automatic weapon I've ever fired in a game.

    • @shok24199
      @shok24199 4 роки тому +3

      The best part was that it was _so_ inaccurate that it had a spread pattern like a shotgun. Maybe the best gun for LTK mode.

    • @Alex-gw1zw
      @Alex-gw1zw 4 роки тому +9

      "Blitablitablitlitblitablitablit"

    • @Skiivin
      @Skiivin 4 роки тому +5

      We don’t say its name.

    • @kineticdeath
      @kineticdeath 3 роки тому +2

      back in the day when picking up your first gun put you in a worse off position than when you started lol

  • @borisdorofeev5602
    @borisdorofeev5602 3 роки тому +27

    Man that Beretta looks like such a controllable gun. It looks like your shooting a BB gun, in a really good way.

  • @NoOneEpic
    @NoOneEpic 4 роки тому +343

    When Ian doesn’t mention you even though he laughed like a school girl shooting you.
    *Sad ZK-383 noises*

    • @williamflowers9435
      @williamflowers9435 4 роки тому +19

      My thoughts exactly!!! He loved shooting the ZK-383

    • @8080256256
      @8080256256 4 роки тому +7

      Aye. Had high hopes for that one.

    • @wendysobamaman2179
      @wendysobamaman2179 3 роки тому +4

      Sad PPSH-41 noises

    • @OnlyKaerius
      @OnlyKaerius 3 роки тому +2

      @@wendysobamaman2179 So *Burrrrrp*?

    • @Vemppu_Lutku
      @Vemppu_Lutku 3 роки тому +1

      @@wendysobamaman2179 why would he prefer that over the suomikp?

  • @jd8mm738
    @jd8mm738 4 роки тому +9

    Having shot an MP5, M31 Suomi, and a Beretta M38/44, the Beretta is my favorite for sure.

  • @badwolf7367
    @badwolf7367 3 роки тому +16

    Curious as to why the Owen, Stirling, or Steyr Solothurn didn't make this list. Ian gave them all high praises in his videos on them.

  • @nathanielkidd2840
    @nathanielkidd2840 4 роки тому +53

    Figured the “swarm of angry bees” would’ve been on here. Thing seems like a ton of fun.

    • @FeignJurai
      @FeignJurai 4 роки тому +9

      He did comment in that video that it had a habit of occasionally firing out of battery if you don't clean it basically every time you change the magazine.

  • @Getpojke
    @Getpojke 4 роки тому +83

    Awww I was hoping for the "American 180" (Swarm of Angry Bees) .22LR. Smooth as a buttered otter to shoot. XD

    • @calebhu6383
      @calebhu6383 4 роки тому +5

      Anything in .22LR should be smooth as butter to shoot, unless it is less than an inch long!

    • @truckerallikatuk
      @truckerallikatuk 4 роки тому +5

      Same. Most disappointed that the gun which gave Ian the biggest grins ever isn't on the list.

    • @dashingdave2665
      @dashingdave2665 4 роки тому +1

      Haha, came to post this.

    • @therealamerican99.76
      @therealamerican99.76 4 роки тому +1

      Lol

    • @FeignJurai
      @FeignJurai 4 роки тому +4

      From the video on the American 180: "It has a tendency to fire out of battery and while it's just a .22 and there's probably not any great danger, it is still a bit disconcerting." I don't think any amount of fun can overcome that to get into a top 5 ranking.

  • @MatthewDoye
    @MatthewDoye 4 роки тому +257

    The steadiness of the Suomi is upside of all that weight.

    • @jonkerr7959
      @jonkerr7959 4 роки тому +60

      when you run out of ammo you can hit them with it

    • @michaelmichelsson
      @michaelmichelsson 4 роки тому +17

      In the old days, people did a lot of physical work, and they were more powerful than people today. That is why Suomi KP 31 was not a heavy weapon by the standards of the 1940s

    • @MatthewDoye
      @MatthewDoye 4 роки тому +36

      @@michaelmichelsson The people using it were generally young and fit, the physical training of being in the military helped. Today's soldier going out on patrol carries a lot more weight around than those of the 1930s and 1940s.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 4 роки тому +25

      ​@Richard Johnson No. The Suomi was what spurred the Soviets to develop the PPSh (prior to that, the Soviets had very few submachine guns, and the PPD was not suited for mass production), but they're completely different guns.
      The PPSh's drum magazine, on the other hand, *is* a copy of the Suomi's drum.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 4 роки тому +29

      @@michaelmichelsson The average *person* might have been more active and physically fit in the 1930s-40s than today. But the average *soldier* today is a different story. Modern soldiers might carry lighter weapons than their WW2 counterparts, but their overall load is if anything even heavier.

  • @dalemoss4684
    @dalemoss4684 3 роки тому +12

    Being an Australian, I have a fondness for the Owen: it's simple, foolproof, reliable as hell and makes me proud to be an Aussie. Sure it's ugly, but the kokoda campaign wasn't a beauty contest.

    • @ericsissenwein3601
      @ericsissenwein3601 3 роки тому +5

      My Dad, US Army, fought in New Guinea also. Not as long as you Aussies did but a little of that place goes a long way!

    • @calcutt4
      @calcutt4 3 місяці тому

      We all love the Owen

  • @ivanstepanovic1327
    @ivanstepanovic1327 4 роки тому +162

    I remember the sarge conducting training with my unit saying:
    "Skorpion has its merits; small, easy to carry... But not reliable, prone to misfires, very short range. Absolutely the best in SMG category? MP5. No competition at all"
    Further more, my stepfather was a high ranking officer in what was then Yugoslav army (colonel) and was given a Skorpion during NATO bombing. I remember to this day his disdain for that thing. He says that the first thing he did after he took it and went to his car and driver, was to say to the driver (a common private): "Let's trade... I give you my Skorpion if you give me your M70 (AK-47)". He returned it after the war with all the grease on it, never even took it out of the box...
    I met only one person who liked Skorpion. It was a guy who served in MP and the reason he liked it was that he was on checkpoint and checking the documents. So, the guy who was checked was right in front of him, so while he was holding the documents in one hand, he could hold his other hand on its grip cos he held it over his shoulder; he could just squeeze the trigger if the guy would try smth... Otherwise, Skorpion is rather disliked here in Serbia.

    • @MostafaElSakari
      @MostafaElSakari 4 роки тому +8

      Interesting

    • @felipedaiber2991
      @felipedaiber2991 3 роки тому +7

      Yeah it is way more of a civilian oriented one so if you are not a drug dealer or a member of a urban guerrilla it has that much of an utility but its so incredibly compact that if you need an easy to hide and fast to draw weapon for illegal stuff it is perfect
      It is in fact one of the automatic weapons most prefered by criminals along with the uzi and modified automatic pistols

    • @daddysempaichan
      @daddysempaichan 3 роки тому +18

      It's definitely more of a gun used suppress the enemy as you run away from them. If you try to stand your ground and fight with the Skorpion, you are probably gonna die. Perfect for non combat personals, terrible for anyone who's expected to get shot at in many different instances and want's to fight back.

    • @Pyrochemik007
      @Pyrochemik007 3 роки тому +10

      It was developed as light weapon, replacing pistol. The exact use in czech army was MP, police, and pilots or officers. It is a small weapon possible to conceal carry in a suit of 90s villain. But the main weapon in the army remained to be the vz. 58, a czech upgrade of AK. Skorpion allowed you to spray and pray the guy few meters from you, but in battle it is quite limited.

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 3 роки тому +2

      @@Pyrochemik007 , while no one wants to be shot, not even with a .32, it seems like it would be a difficult gun for a non-combatant to shoot well.
      ...but then I can't think of any com bloc smallish submachine guns either. Perhaps the AKSU? But that ain't the easiest beast to control eithet.

  • @Touay.
    @Touay. 4 роки тому +55

    that skorpion brass was sooo close to going down Ians collar!!

    • @Hybris51129
      @Hybris51129 4 роки тому +39

      The skorpion's sting.

    • @Erikreaver
      @Erikreaver 4 роки тому +6

      It really is a bit of a vz.61's thing. Comes with the top ejection. But frankly, I came quite fond of hearing the casings whistle for a second or two after I stop firing, as they fall down. :D

    • @bulldowozer5858
      @bulldowozer5858 4 роки тому +1

      In the vid where he was shooting the scorpion, the brass kept falling on his head.

  • @roowiCrip
    @roowiCrip 4 роки тому +47

    Imagine if Ian starts to answer Q&A this way, we'll have great fantastic bearded content for at least 10 years or so XD
    Thanks for always showing appreciation for your fans Ian! I've learned a LOT LOT with your videos and informations. Don't stop please

  • @totenkopf28
    @totenkopf28 4 роки тому +21

    Beretta Modello 38 paired with the "Samurai" mag vest was the most magnificent pairs i want really bad.

  • @thomas_the_dank6340
    @thomas_the_dank6340 4 роки тому +40

    I'd love to see this turned into a series of all types of guns

  • @Simon_Nonymous
    @Simon_Nonymous 4 роки тому +3

    The slow motion of the Beretta ejecting spent brass was poetic. Excellent shooting - both weapon and camera.

  • @dazooej5785
    @dazooej5785 4 роки тому +110

    aww I was hoping the owen gun was going to get on the list

    • @dposcuro
      @dposcuro 4 роки тому +9

      I think the only reason it wasn't, comes down to the fact that at the top end of the "best SMGs ever made", you get a pretty tight cluster of really damn well made, and designed guns, and I think he was trying to make his list a bit varied. I will be of the speculative opinion that it was a contender for #4 with the Suomi, but lost out due, probably in large part, to the Suomi's ridiculously good drum magazine.

    • @KageNoTora74
      @KageNoTora74 4 роки тому +1

      The Owen was an improvement over the AuSten but maybe not amongst the best ever and doesn't have to be among Ian's favorites.

    • @SportbikerNZ
      @SportbikerNZ 4 роки тому +2

      Common sense says objectively it shouldn't get close. Balancing top mounted magazine weight vs natural underslung weight, mag blocks field of view, sights offset to right hand side of the gun to get around the mag, (great for the few left handers apparently). Periscope mag may as well be a 'hey look at me' indicator when aiming prone. No surprises why no one copied the design to further develop it. It was said to be reliable, and filled a need, but just because it's exotic unobtainium, people think it must be amazing. Noob gamer mistake.

    • @SmeurkeDeKat
      @SmeurkeDeKat 4 роки тому +4

      @@KageNoTora74 I thought the Owen was crafted by some Aussie kid in a shed? It wasn't really an improvement of the AuSten, it was just better from the start. Stens look pretty cool, but I remember an old review Hichock45 made. The upper and lower came apart whilst he was running the last couple of rounds through it, but he acted as if never happened.

    • @KageNoTora74
      @KageNoTora74 4 роки тому

      Yes, it was a better option than the Sten. A British infantry platoon was on the march armed with Stens when a Private dropped his and shot a Corporal in the groin. Their Lieutenant condemned the Sten as having been made with nothing more in mind than cheap mass production. How do you put a Sten on safe? Remove the magazine and clear the chamber.

  • @hobbstactv2571
    @hobbstactv2571 4 роки тому +10

    The one I've shot that surprised me the most with how controllable it was was a Sterling I shot on my second deployment in 2007.

  • @vape9546
    @vape9546 4 роки тому +8

    I have to say that the M2 is just gorgeous, that wood is beautiful too.

  • @Goatboysminion
    @Goatboysminion 4 роки тому +73

    Well Ian, I have to admit, I'm surprised the Owen gun didn't get in your Top 5.
    But the MP-5 is a worthy #1.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  4 роки тому +64

      The Owen is a close runner-up.

    • @skapiggie
      @skapiggie 4 роки тому +13

      @@ForgottenWeapons Maybe do an honourable mention, us colonials like our Owen.

    • @wendover3
      @wendover3 4 роки тому +3

      Yes the Owen has to be there. I owned 11 before 1996 and they were by far better than all the other WW2 examples that I had.

    • @Goatboysminion
      @Goatboysminion 4 роки тому +2

      @@wendover3 Eleven before 1996....shit. I could guess what happened to them. 😥😡

    • @wendover3
      @wendover3 4 роки тому +5

      @@Goatboysminion Yes into the fire along with Austens, Lewis, MP40 and about 200 others

  • @forgettingweapons3349
    @forgettingweapons3349 4 роки тому +11

    When has H&K ever cared about cost and complexity? But I agree, the MP5 is a superb weapon in my limited experience.

  • @Marci124
    @Marci124 4 роки тому +2

    The upwards facing vents on the Beretta compensator really seem to be doing their job; the muzzle moves downwards on every shot! I haven't seen the effect so clearly before.

    • @MaggieKeizai
      @MaggieKeizai 9 місяців тому

      I noticed that too, it was pretty impressive to see.

  • @andrewince8824
    @andrewince8824 4 роки тому +2

    The VZ61 is designed for the kinds of soldiers who don't get a huge amount of trigger time. Something easy to use and highly controllable yet a little under powered is far more effective than something more powerful with a note-worthy recoil. Doesn't matter how much lead you lob if it doesn't go toward the target.

  • @jimbougard8560
    @jimbougard8560 4 роки тому +4

    I have only ever shot two full auto SMGs. They were both range rentals. The first was an UZI the second was the MP5. I was so impressed with the MP5 and the delayed roller blowback, I chose a CETME for my first "modern" battle rifle. (Century .308 ... a poor man's HK 91) Thanks for all the great videos, Ian!

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 3 роки тому +2

      Just so we're clear, the HK is a high end CETME. That is the CETME came first, and then later (when the Germans who designed the CETME could go home and work) they had H&K producing the same guns.

    • @jimbougard8560
      @jimbougard8560 3 роки тому

      @@jacobmccandles1767 Yes, I researched the history. I almost bought a surplus/kit CETME, before choosing the Century. It stood out head and shoulders over an AR-10 and was almost half the cost of an M1A.

    • @billstadelman4420
      @billstadelman4420 Рік тому

      @@jimbougard8560 I had an M1A, which I loved, but got a Century .308 because at that time (6-8 years ago) magazines were available surplus for $3 each. I got myself ... a few ...

  • @christ4032
    @christ4032 4 роки тому +39

    best show on the internet

  • @jacobmccandles1767
    @jacobmccandles1767 Рік тому +1

    The H&K is probably better being closed bolt, I wouldn't know, but of the SMGs I've fired the Uzi seemed to have that sweet balance between fire rate, recoil impulse, and control that made it possible to dump full mags into small groups, and allowed the sights to remain useable in full auto.

  • @morganahoff2242
    @morganahoff2242 2 роки тому

    2:04 When his goatee is covered up, and wearing sunglasses, Ian looks amazingly like Magnum P.I.!

  • @spencerleava2502
    @spencerleava2502 4 роки тому +34

    I have to say, I was expecting to see the Owen gun on this list somewhere XD

    • @MarkGoding
      @MarkGoding 4 роки тому

      Too much of an ugly duckling.

    • @EarlJohn61
      @EarlJohn61 3 роки тому +5

      @@MarkGoding If you're picking an SMG, or any other weapon on how it looks...
      You're looking at the wrong thing.

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 3 роки тому +7

    Surprising that Ian didn't manage to squeeze the MAT-49 into the list, given that it's French and all.

  • @tonyktx44
    @tonyktx44 4 роки тому +13

    I know I'm biased, I own a1917 Thompson, you lean in to it and dump a 50 round mag ....
    Nothing like it.

  • @saxandphone6440
    @saxandphone6440 3 роки тому +1

    The MP5 is basically a scaled down G3, which is probably why it is such a good gun. It has a lot of features that aren't really necessary when building a standard SMG, but become necessary when dealing with larger rifle cartridges. It kind of reminds me of the Mauser 1914 in that respect; initially designed to be a much larger 9mm pistol but later scaled down to .32 acp. The Walther PP series would be another good example of that as well.

  • @Uteone
    @Uteone 3 роки тому +6

    Glad to see the MP5 is top of the list! Without doubt the easiest SMG to like, it’s easily accurate and comfortable; even the ergonomics of the MP5 seem to be as close to perfection as possible.

  • @chubbycatfish4573
    @chubbycatfish4573 4 роки тому +189

    Here's my top 5 SMGs that I have had personal experience with.
    1. MAC-11 .380ACP
    That is all.

  • @MPC_2117
    @MPC_2117 4 роки тому +17

    I can't help but smile at the fact that Hk is once again proven to design the BEST firearms with this list. 🤣

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear 4 роки тому +138

    great list

  • @JenniferinIllinois
    @JenniferinIllinois 4 роки тому +12

    The Skorpion. Love watching those 32acp cases flying out the top. Definitely fun to shoot.
    The MP5 at #1? Didn't see that coming. OK, yes I did. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @TXS_SSSSIN
    @TXS_SSSSIN 4 роки тому +3

    Coincidentally, the MP5 is one of the two SMG's that i've had the opportunity to shoot. And it really is awesome

  • @IronSalamander8
    @IronSalamander8 4 роки тому

    Cool list! I love watching how some of these look so controlled when you shoot them, especially the MP5 which is famous for obvious reasons!

  • @KB4th
    @KB4th 4 роки тому +3

    Great vid as always. The M2 is an amazing SMG in 45. Had never heard of it before your previous vid and to see it that highly rated is deserved.....

  • @whackycracker1987
    @whackycracker1987 4 роки тому +58

    i really like this type of video, you talking about guns while showing footage and a face cam. in my opinion you should combine the shooting videos with the explination videos, or atleast try it out.

  • @student8136
    @student8136 4 роки тому +17

    Knew the Suomi would be in the list prior to start the video. Surprised the Sudaev's PPS is not.

    • @tobin9575
      @tobin9575 4 роки тому +2

      because these are generally high quality smgs, the top 5 smgs generally won't reflect the cost factor that is important for a military, thats why the pps isn't on it, it's a more affordable and therefore good gun from a logistical perspective but a m2 smg is still a better shooter than a m3 smg. If the ppd 40 and ppsh were cheaper and easier to produce the pps would never have become a thing.

    • @DL24StaS
      @DL24StaS 4 роки тому

      @@tobin9575 yes, exactly my point... it very much depends on the context. From a military perspective, the best SMGs would be - PPS, M3, STEN... etc. - what you can have right now in quantity, and it works good enough. From a shooter's perspective, money-is-no-object... probably not so much.

    • @student8136
      @student8136 4 роки тому

      @travis bickle RSS feed does not show thumbnails

  • @nicholaspatton5590
    @nicholaspatton5590 4 роки тому

    I was worried that you might only have the compilation, but I was foolish. That commentary was wonderful. You truly deliver quality in every sense of the word. Thank you Ian.

  • @jonathanferguson1211
    @jonathanferguson1211 4 роки тому +1

    PDW is a role-based definition, so the Skorpion is both an SMG and a PDW.

  • @kevb3047
    @kevb3047 4 роки тому +5

    The Skorpion is a great choice- meant to be carried in that small holster, and I'm guessing a .32 could still kill a man.., or at least I'm never volunteering to see what it's like to get hit by a .32 bullet; and the king of 'em all the MP5...of course.

    • @bennyhill6024
      @bennyhill6024 4 роки тому

      Human yes...bear no....I'm guessing

    • @FiveTwoSevenTHR
      @FiveTwoSevenTHR 4 роки тому

      .32 ACP is about equivalent to a single pellet of 00 Buckshot. A burst from a Scorpion is about equal to getting shot with a 12ga shotgun.

    • @kevb3047
      @kevb3047 4 роки тому

      @@bennyhill6024 you going bear hunting with a sub-machine gun?

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian 4 роки тому +15

    Curatorial choice in the M2, a worthy Forgotten Weapon for Ian.
    No surprise the MP5 topped the list, I've heard of nothing but excellence from the platform (there's even a version with an integral suppressor!)

  • @doraran2138
    @doraran2138 4 роки тому +1

    Well thought out list, using your hands on experience and historical perspectives. Respect the fact that you did not include the M1921 (and derivatives) Thompson, inarguably a fine gun, but essentially obsolete (from mechanical perspective) about time it hit market.

  • @Cypherwraith001
    @Cypherwraith001 4 роки тому

    This is a great format for this sort of video. It would be awesome to see more like this!

  • @PowderedToastMan3
    @PowderedToastMan3 4 роки тому +7

    No doubt in my mind that MP5 would be your number one. You literally could not stop smiling that entire video.

  • @tillmannfischer
    @tillmannfischer 4 роки тому +3

    I can agree with most of that, although I'd place the MP7 higher than the MP5. It's basically just the modern evolution of that gun, and the MP7 does a fantastic job at that.

  • @kermanarmstrong5377
    @kermanarmstrong5377 3 роки тому

    MP-5 was my first experience with full auto weapons. I had so much fun and the bolt slap was so satisfying.

  • @alexnutu1125
    @alexnutu1125 Рік тому

    Such a great channel-fun, fascinating, badass, and just generally IMPORTANT

  • @foreststalkerbrothers
    @foreststalkerbrothers 4 роки тому +16

    VZ61 is my national pride, glad it is your favourite Ian !

    • @kilppa
      @kilppa 4 роки тому +4

      But it's not his favourite...?

    • @stevenbobbybills
      @stevenbobbybills 4 роки тому +6

      @@kilppa top 5 is still pretty good.

    • @kilppa
      @kilppa 4 роки тому +1

      @@stevenbobbybills It is indeed.

    • @francislematt7079
      @francislematt7079 4 роки тому +1

      curious if Ian had a chance to shoot ones in 380 and 9mm Mak.

  • @SneakyRobb
    @SneakyRobb 4 роки тому +3

    Hi, I enjoyed the compilation. I especially liked how you talked over the content rather than just playing the old footage. This allowed for a nice commentary while having stuff to look at. I would watch more videos like this. I do not mind "TOP X" video formats as long as the dialogue is new. I also enjoyed seeing you in the corner. I would rather have you in the corner and talking than just talking. Thanks

  • @thatguyyouknow1512
    @thatguyyouknow1512 4 роки тому +1

    While I've only shot very few Submachine Guns my favorite by far would have to be Beretta's PM-12!

  • @Gestapo93
    @Gestapo93 3 роки тому

    Beretta 38A operates with the feel of a Swiss watch. Special sauce indeed.

  • @HappyKatanaGaming
    @HappyKatanaGaming 4 роки тому +34

    7:48 What is this Knight Rider action that is going on on the full auto symbol of the lower receiver.
    Also: Deutschland #1 Wooo

    • @zstewart
      @zstewart 4 роки тому +6

      Probably a Moiré pattern. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern
      In this case, it's on a slight angle so as it moves around some parts of the symbol cross multiple pixels in the camera, while some do not.

  • @Gurkenmann344
    @Gurkenmann344 4 роки тому +6

    I would be interestes too in a video of other weapen types maybe Ian's favorite bolt action rifels or machine guns or assultrifels

  • @garfunkel6975
    @garfunkel6975 2 роки тому +1

    I was lucky to be able to shoot the MP5 once back in 2003 and the experience made me understand why it's at the top of every SMG list. It really is a fantastic gun in every aspect.

    • @MaggieKeizai
      @MaggieKeizai 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, I got to play with one in Iraq that a Blackwater guy brought to the range while we were having a "day off" to play with the stuff we'd captured. The contractor guy was cool and let me go through a few mags, and MAN. Ain't nothing like an MP5. The only machine gun I care to own. Smoothest recoil ever, and the fact that they look cool doesn't hurt.

  • @chancerodriguez7647
    @chancerodriguez7647 3 роки тому

    The brass falling during the 38a was so calming

  • @thatguybrody4819
    @thatguybrody4819 4 роки тому +3

    i was so sure the American 180 was going to be on here. i guess reloading the magazine is what made it not on the list.

  • @E350BTeC
    @E350BTeC 4 роки тому +6

    I've shot a few SMGs and I agree the mp5 is amazing. I do want to shout out the mp-40 though. Its very controllable and I liked the sights.

    • @tuuskaaja4608
      @tuuskaaja4608 4 роки тому

      When it comes to quality, Suomi is a gun but MP 40 is a terrible piece of garbage

  • @VigilantAnarchism
    @VigilantAnarchism 4 роки тому

    The MP5 being number 1 was a surprise, yet not a surprise. I've never fired one myself, but the gun's withstood the test of time, and the fact that even H&K can't improve on it further proves the point.

  • @davidlyons8456
    @davidlyons8456 4 роки тому

    This is great stuff, I love hearing your opinion on why it’s YOUR top five. Would like to see more of these. It would be great if you could really break them down and get specific. For example:
    - top 5 WW2 firearms
    - top 5 bolt actions
    - top 5 semi auto rifles
    - top 5 assault rifles
    - top 5 LMG’s
    Etc, etc.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @MAXTENSION
    @MAXTENSION 4 роки тому +11

    MP5 is my favorite full auto suppressed SMG. UZI comes in second. Truth: I only own those two.....

  • @ohplz858
    @ohplz858 4 роки тому +4

    The MP5 being the top one, you should do a video on the SIG MPX, would love to hear what you have to say about that gun

  • @newjackhustler77
    @newjackhustler77 4 роки тому +1

    a the slow-mo of the 38a was amazing

  • @Gumbyfanaccount
    @Gumbyfanaccount 4 роки тому

    I love the history some of the weapons on this channel have, Ian ur job is soooooo cool

  • @rifles_up2263
    @rifles_up2263 4 роки тому +24

    If we’re being honest how could number one have been anything else?🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому +2

      I was halfway expecting something French, but the mp5 is damn hard to beat.

  • @darkiee69
    @darkiee69 4 роки тому +24

    Ian, you really need to try the Swedish kpist 45b.
    And the Suomi can take stick magazines too.

    • @rcbif101
      @rcbif101 4 роки тому

      One of the first SMG I ever shot, and all my shots were dead on. So easy to keep on target.

    • @rcbif101
      @rcbif101 4 роки тому +3

      @@Ides_0f_March - They have the same form factor, but other than that are very different. Swedish K has complelty different trigger group design, larger diameter bolt and tube, real fully adjustable sights, and more magazine options. The trigger group and bolt alone are enough to make the gun shoot complelty different.

    • @darkiee69
      @darkiee69 4 роки тому +3

      @@Ides_0f_March That's a bit like saying "I don't need to test and Ipad, I've tried the chinese copy".

    • @darkiee69
      @darkiee69 4 роки тому +1

      @@rcbif101 If you had more magazine options it must've been the early version that could take the suomi magazines too. The later B version could only take the 36 round stick magazine.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 4 роки тому

      The Suomi even uses the same stick mags as the kpist 45b. Didn't originally, but basically all of them were adapted to use that mag post-WW2 since it was more reliable than any of the existing Finnish mags.

  • @AirGunScientist
    @AirGunScientist 4 роки тому

    Excellent video (as usual). Great bumping into you at the Shot Show

  • @martinkullberg6718
    @martinkullberg6718 4 роки тому +2

    I like the sound of the Baretta it really sounds "Italian", the m3 has a nice sound aswell.

  • @Khorsathedark
    @Khorsathedark 4 роки тому +9

    Great list, I am surprised that the MP-40 didn't show up anywhere though.

    • @iono5556
      @iono5556 4 роки тому

      Isn't that good, has many problems like the magazine spring, the recoil makes the gun inaccurate and the folding stock is uncomfortable

  • @five5105
    @five5105 4 роки тому +10

    The MAS 38 didn't even make the list?
    Guys, I think the real Ian may have been stolen from us.

  • @tandemfandom1
    @tandemfandom1 4 роки тому

    00:13 "prepping". I would love to hear Ian's take on prepping and survival!

    • @chessiecat7860
      @chessiecat7860 4 роки тому

      cheesesupreme I’m pretty confident Ian is not crazy about hypothetical doomsday/ survival prep stuff

  • @SGTSkylor
    @SGTSkylor 4 роки тому +1

    Watching this video I wasn't expecting the MP-5 a the end, but I myself was thinking about how easily that takes my Number 1 spot while i was watching. Genuinely one of the coolest guns around, and the single greatest weapon (one of only two automatics) I've had the pleasure of shooting.

  • @LadyAnuB
    @LadyAnuB 4 роки тому +8

    Ian, remember, when you run out of ammo (a possibility given war), the heavier a gun is, the better it is at being old fashioned melee club. Just whack 'em with the metal bits!

    • @asherhockersmith8271
      @asherhockersmith8271 3 роки тому +2

      Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it jams, you can just hit someone with it.

  • @Punisher9419
    @Punisher9419 4 роки тому +5

    Didn't expect to see the M2.

  • @MrDkgio
    @MrDkgio 3 роки тому

    I thought at start, the number 1 is going to be the Beretta 38a and H&K mp-5 second, especially after I saw the smile and amazed look after you first shot the Bertetta 38-a in the dedicated Beretta 38-a video.

  • @stephenschwake524
    @stephenschwake524 4 роки тому

    That slo-mo footage of the Beretta is freaking cool!

  • @Redbird1504
    @Redbird1504 4 роки тому +120

    *Forgotten Weapons posted a video 1 minute ago
    Me: Woot i'll be the first person to watch the video! Woot woot im number..........8,007. Ian and Karl need their own TV channel.

    • @charlesadams1721
      @charlesadams1721 4 роки тому +8

      They might get more viewership and ratings that CNN...even without captive audiences in airports and hotels.

    • @Redbird1504
      @Redbird1504 4 роки тому +6

      @@charlesadams1721Any of the "News" placed Fox included. Ian has come a superb job of keeping politics away from his channel on something half hour country finds political. Kudos and Cookies to The Ian McCollum

    • @charlesadams1721
      @charlesadams1721 4 роки тому

      @@Redbird1504; wow, I don't watch Fox. I didn't introduce politics into this discussion, YOU did. if you choose not to see that CNN is the lowest of the 'major' cable TV networks, hat's your choice. The Cartoon Network has more viewership across the board. If you really want to know the truth, go to the primary sources If CNN didn't pay the airports and the hotel and motel chains to show their product, their viewership would be much lower. We can agree on the excellent job Ian does and has done with his product.

    • @kingquesadilla7713
      @kingquesadilla7713 4 роки тому +3

      He doesn’t need television, he needs more patreon donations, like what you see? Pay the man so he can do more!

    • @josuelservin2409
      @josuelservin2409 4 роки тому +6

      No thanks! This is much better than TV, no producers, contacts or deadlines, he can tackle this project at his leisure, and make a video like this one, to quickly answer one of his patrons questions, so go support him directly if you can, so this wonderful content keeps coming.

  • @lotharrossi6666
    @lotharrossi6666 4 роки тому +3

    before seeing the video I was capable to guess 3 out of 5 Ian's favorite SMGs: MP5, Beretta, Suomi

  • @jonoz9847
    @jonoz9847 4 роки тому

    Great list. Agree.

  • @BadBomb555
    @BadBomb555 4 роки тому

    If you're worried about the weight with Suomi then you can also use it with a stick magazines to relieve from that weight a bit.