David, for someone who is new to "boat rebuilds" / major repairs, your planning and design for exaust and waste is a thing of beauty😂👌Meticulous 👍Breaking Bad move over 🤣
Hey Peter! I'm terrified of getting more crap in my lungs. Also its amazing what you can accomplish when you're trying desperately to avoid something else. I spent a good month procrastinating starting the grinding, coming up with more and more parts of the dust collection and ventilation system. Eventually I built it all and had no more excuses but to start grinding!
@@david_shih l think even Colin was impressed with all your prep work prior to taking off the carpentry, compared to the way you did it, they hacked theirs out 😂🤣
The design flaws we all know about. The workmanship flaws bring this fiasco to another level. Hope you found everything that needed repairs. You don't want to ever repeat this tear down and grinding process so good advice from Colin on the bulk head in the engine compartment. Get'r done now so you can relax knowing you never have to repeat this process...will help with resale value too.
Well I would say poor or sloppy workmanship is a large part of what we live with. There are many apartment/Condo buildings being town down after 20 or 30 years yet my Aunt and Uncle lived in a cottage that had an entry in the Domesday book. I myself purchased a showhouse on a new estate this is built so prospective buyers can order off book .I toured some of these slightly newer houses that had never been live din and the difference in quality was palpable. However a boat is something you rely upon to keep you safe whereas Lagoon obviously slapped then together as quick as they could. It may well be that those 450's that have not had bulkhead issues YET only are in this shape as these boats had better workmanship. I think people should reconsider buying any French built boat the cost of labour is obviously a lot higher in France then say Vietnam South Africa etc.
@@glennedwards1449 so i’d say most of the 450s show the problem, and if not, it just hasn’t happened yet and needs to be reinforced. The other lagoon models should be fine, despite the ‘standard’ workmanship levels.
Looks to me to be severely lacking in design strength. I'm not sure these repairs will hold up. Sad to see those cabinets ripped out. I think they will cost a bunch to make look good again. It seems to me the cabinets should have been designed to add lots of structural support. Any boat designer who relied on 3/5" 7 ply wood was not very good. As Collin said his additional lower side plies popped right off so they glued and screwed some like yours. I see so many shear failures and a few days of fiberglass slapped on is wishfull thinking. The fix kit was hatched in the boardroom as an appeasement. Those 450's and 500s have zero resale value in this mechanical engineers opinion.
David you’re in another level. The angles, speed ramping, story telling and the tools you come up to do the hard work not so much painful, and the most important your personality with that contagious positive attitude . Just wait and see, this channel is going to explode 👍🔥🔥
Like others have said, great job editing and putting this episode together. There is a lot of detail to unpack, but you made it look easy and effortless. I know a lot of work went into this one.
Hey Brad, yes, editing this one ate me alive. I thought I'd be done on Sunday and it took 2 more full days and 1 night to finish it. Really glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully i'll get faster at all this!
EPIC THANKS from the world. You and Colin have changed the world by carefully documenting your craftsmanship and creative solutions. The “Shih Particulate Low-pressure Acquisition Trap” (SPLAT) is now the gold standard for grinding safety. I know it’s a total PITA to do the work *AND* film *AND* produce these videos but it’s critical for the global community. What a blessing that so much talent has been assembled in one place. Keep up the hard work. Be encouraged even during the low moments when your muscles ache and your mind is weary. Let each sunset bring a moment of peace and every sunrise a renewed vision of sailing the open ocean with your family by your side.
Don…you’re pretty epic with words! Thanks for the inspirational words my friend! Epic is the name of the boat actually. The boat that I still call by her maiden name “oups” until she’s whole again.
I am absolutely speechless with the amount of work between your boat and Parley when it comes to grinding. God awful. Keep the content coming, can’t wait to see more.
A full-face positive-pressure (from remote) air supply mask is a really good thing. I use a Breathe Cool II from Turbine Products. A turbine pump is placed in an area with clean air and supplies low pressure air through a hose to the full-face mask. I no longer have sweat dripping in my eyes, or rolling around in the bottom of the mask. No worries about an imperfect mask seal. I haven't tried it yet, but I've got a Y-valve to split the incoming air into the Tyvek suit. That's a modification recommended to me by a shipyard worker. It should help cool and keep some particles out.
I’ve heard of the positive pressure masks, but never the positive feed into a suit. Ingenious…no more dust creeping into every tiny suit opening!! I’ll check out the breathe cool, thx!
@@david_shih The mask works really well. I've used it in nearly white-out conditions while grinding fiberglass in the forward storage compartments of my catamaran during a Florida summer. The cyclonic separators upstream of the shop vacs are definitely required when working with such volumes of fine dust. I use one from Home Depot that fits on a 5-gal bucket. With that and a HEPA filter in the vac, exhausting air into the living area has been OK for me. I'm about to setup a negative pressure zone to grind in one of the heads. I now live aboard, so I'll have to be very careful about leakage. I'll use a 20 inch box fan with a 20 inch air filter taped to it, and fashion an adapter to a pair of 3 inch flexible duct hoses that will fit to the small portlight there. I can't just release dust where I'm docked now. Was the dust that escaped your zone solely from you entering and exiting?
David, another FANTASTIC, entertaining video. More and more, it's not just a hurricane or over powered sailing or, or, or (anythign Lagoon can think of). Too bad the 450 Bulkhead group is now HEAVILY moderated and mostly a "Lagoon and this boatyard did a great job. Lagoon is the bestest manufacture ever" group. Glad people can still come to UA-cam for the truth !
Thanks for the support Doug! funny how Lagoon took over that group so quickly! To each their own, but the truth is here if you want it. I’m happy to share my story.
David, I enjoy your episodes to the moon and back. The pride of your ownership along with Colin’s is undeniable. Thank you for everything yourself and Colin do for us UA-camrs, to enjoy watching the best channels on UA-cam. I sure hope one day to meet you guys. That be awesome.
Dude I’m so thankful to have you watching every week. It really does make all this worth it! Let’s get together one day and go for a sail…on a boat with super strong bulkheads!
@@david_shih you know the story might not be about the boat but your journey through a difficult challenge and as a narrator of the journey you are doing great. Keep making videos regardless of where your adventure takes you.
LOL… “Please be a Good Boat”… Great video! It’s a little like a Forensic Post Mortem, documenting the structural issues as well as the flaws in workmanship… which are all pieces of the puzzle. Thanks for the hard work, sharing the process and the positive attitude
You’re right about the post Mortem! We found so many extra problems than we went in there for. Most of which was just bad glasswork that would be forever hidden if not for the bulkhead issue causing us to open her up! Couldn’t do it without your support brother-thank you for your help on patreon!
There are always a few build defects in a production boat but because they are generally overbuilt it is not a problem . However in the Lagoon where the bulkhead is clearly underbuilt all of the build quality issues loom large.
@@david_shih Absolutely the right way , the only caveat is to beware of moving the load to a different weak spot . I am thinking of adding an aluminum plate below the mast on my boat but am also aware that I could be moving the flex to the ends of the plate and cause it to crack there .
Thanks Jae! We are so close. I’m in San Francisco for Thanksgiving but once I get back we’ve got a week of fiberglassing left and a week of painting the hulls and then we’re back in the water. Wahoo…but then I have to relearn how to sail before we can go anywhere.
David I have done a lot of fiberglass but never in such confined spaces. I respect your decision to do it yourself, that is what I have always done. There will be satisfaction in the end no matter how you feel now. It also puts you in a different league than the guy who buys everything. Looking at the comments your already a superstar on the net. So as a spokesman for Lagoon grinding away on a boat that is criminally built in a substandard way and sleeping in your airconditioned car. As reward for your purchase. That picture in the car says it all. Thanks for the posts and keep them coming, I know your subscribers are all for you.
Fred, such kind words--thank you! There is definitely a sense of pride doing the work myself, but if i had the money...I can't imagine not paying someone to do it all. It's so much more than i could have imagined--i was so naive. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
But if you hired a crew a prudent person would still want to be onsite every day to watch the quality or hire an independent inspector to be onsite making sure the work is done correctly.
I check UA-cam every Sunday and cant wait for The David Shih Vlog, we are all cheering for you and I was thinking of getting a 450F and just fixing it because the prices are starting to drop, but after watching your videos we just want to go sail, LOL your energy makes us smile the whole time we are watching.. Keep Pushing and we love the car moments and all the graphics, well done.... you might set a record as the fastest UA-camr to get to 100K.... we will defiantly see you on the water someday soon and create more epic adventures together.... thanks for editing and grinding and filming and all the positivity.... Quote of the week "life is a grind"
How the heck can I learn something from u, when I cant stop laughing. Despite from making this video so enjoyable, you transfer so much confidence and skill, its just awesome. Well done David
Learn from me??? Lol, Wrong channel, I think you’re looking for Parlay Revival! I kid, thanks so much for the nice uplifting feedback! Really appreciate you watching.
Hi David Your abilities are clearly in your creativity and the will to find solutions. Sure you're not an engineer like me, but you're infectiously positive! What a wonderful gift. :))
You and Parlay have exposed so many problems with the Lagoon manufacturing. At least it's going to be a lot better now that you are addressing the problems. It will be nice to see you building back.
Hey Jim! Everytime I see you comment I think of Austin and miss her dearly. We're a couple videos away from starting to rebuild her. Can't wait to show you that crazy process!
Hi David, good to know that you are making a hell lot of progress last week while being able to record everything. I am sure you will have ton of story to talk about for the rest of life. Since you have negative pressure air ventilation, you may want to try to air blast these dust with compressed air, it will blast out the fiberglass dust that stick on the surface due to the static.
This is insane ! Having seen already on Parlay but now in more detail on your boat the levels you are going too, to fix this boat is incredible. That dust though.. OMG !!
What a quality story telling and editing. Fun to watch and entertaining. What comes from Parlay is always good it seems. I wish you a very succesful outcome David.
Thanks so much Patrick! Never thought about it as a life story, but it will have taken almost a year by the time I’m done. So yes…so there was this time that I sailed to panama to fix this small problem on my boat for a few weeks. Well it turned out to be a big problem and a bit longer…
I rarely comment, but I'll have to make an exception for this one. Your editing along with the music and videography, subtitles and diagrams is on point. I can hardly believe you've only been making videos for only a couple of months. The amount of effort you must be putting into it is insane. Great work, and thanks for sharing it!
Dan...i've made some videos years ago that got tens of views. So i'm really trying to put more effort into these as I love the process and would love to be able to do this full time one day. I really appreciate you noticing the little things...and yes these vids are taking forever to edit at the moment--I'm down to about 70 hours each. It's not exactly sustainable in the long term, but hoping i figure something out to speed up the process.
@@david_shih 70 hours is definitely up there in terms of editing for you to be able to release even a biweekly vid, and of course, that's not feasible if you want to get anything else done. You'll get faster at it, for sure, although you might need to cut some of the little details from time to time if you want to keep to a deadline, it depends where you want to go with it. IMO, don't worry too much about releasing on a set schedule at this point, I'm sure most of us viewers can appreciate the amount of effort you're putting in making and editing the videos, and as long as you're enjoying doing it, it'll shine through in the end result. Having said all that, there's no doubt you'll be able to grow to match the larger boatbuilding/sailing channels one day. I'm already looking forward to the time I'll be like: 'David Shih? Yeah, I saw his first video when it was actually released, are you just catching up now?'
@@Dan-ld2py I’ve done weekly for the past 4 weeks and I’m a mess for sure! I’ll figure it out, there’s still some time in the day I’m wasting I’m sure. I hope you get to say that one day!! I’ll try to make you proud. Thanks so much for watching!
Best video yet. Love the music. You really did an amazing job showing how much work is involved in SAFELY grinding away all the damaged areas in your boat in preparation for an awesome repair. I can't wait until the next episode of your saga. Just remember it will be all worth it someday when you're happily sailing across oceans in you super strong catamaran.
Hey david!! Awesome you liked the music, I spent a bunch of time trying to make it work, but still didn’t know if it meshed right. Yes, I need this baby strong so i never have to sit there wondering how to save my family while in big seas.
Buddy! I can't say enough good things about your edits! Loving the map of the boat where you show the area you are working on, but really it's all of it, great cuts, great music, great info, and it seems like your videos just get better and better. Great work on your dust system as well! Not being there I can't tell but the only thing I can point out that might make it better is metered air replenishment. You of course want to keep a low pressure area where you are working but also allow a finite amount on new air in to allow your exhaust fan (cool unit by the way) to carry away the particles. No idea if the air from under the door and all the crevices is enough, but you could always put one more hole in your window board and another bit of wood on a screw that you can rotate over the hole in order to adjust incoming flow. Ehh, it's a theory at least. Cheers, it might not be easy, but you will have immortal videos of those times to look back on and for others to study and enjoy :-)
Hey good idea on the rotating wood/hole metered air. I could feel a steady breeze coming in from under the door, but it was all a guess to be honest! Thanks for the kind words about the video…probably spent way too much time on it, but once I get started I can’t stop until it feels right!
@@david_shih - I have been watching you and Parlay for a long time. - Have a beer on me. I am not a sailor, but relate to some of your struggles. Home is 50 miles from London. Keep up with the dreams. We are here for a good time, not a long time.
Good to see your spirits are high, great video. When all this is over you will have earned every sunset,palm fringed Beach, and paradise you can find.im so glad I no longer fix up boats..the most toxic enviroment to endure before all the fresh air and clear water that comes later..great editing on the video..once the demo stops and the rebuild starts you are building for your future , not fixing someone else's shitty work..and your on your way.
Your outlook is so true. Boat life couldn’t be more of a dichotomy. It’s the Most toxic environment during repairs vs the freshest and cleanest lifestyle all other times. Can’t wait till I reach the latter.
I worked with sheet and shard fiberglass for a living. Use 2 different shower scrunchie. Cold first wash helps. Only wash down, NEVER up. From the top of your arm to your fingers. NEVER up. Pulling up only pushes the glass in your skin more. The fist shower scrunchie is to remove glass, the 2nd is to clean. Even when the work is done, wash down for a week after.
Great video! I loved the post production editing, I laughed at the jokes. I was very impressed w/ your vacuum extraction set-up! No doubt you’ll be able to but her back together, and better then when she first left the factory!
Thank you and thank you! Most people (wife) can’t stand my jokes. Putting her back together will be a whole new learning curve to conquer! But im ready!
Hahah, Blair....you get me bro. People don't understand that in Houston we have ac literally everywhere. They don't sell cars without a/c, there's no such thing as a store or restaurant without a/c. If we took our a/c addiciton any further we'd build those quarantine style pastic tarped enclosed walkways to connect our front doors to our driveways so the walk to the car would be a/c'd as well. Well I guess that makes me think about our garages...why don't we have a/c in there?
@@david_shih lol, my 4 car garage is insulated and I have 2 ducts piped in. I put it on a zone by itself, and I’ve got a thermostat by my workbench! bwahahaha
I'm impressed 👏 not only have you adapted well and took the knowledge parley learned but you have added alot like the ventilation system but you seem like a natural at UA-cam I watched you on zingaro and subbed today looking forward to seeing you and your family's journey
What you are doing is nothing short of pure dedication and a very strong will to sail that vessel. You are literally bonding with your boat! (No pun intended.) Not to mention protecting your monetary investment!. I wish you the very best of luck and many safe long voyages. And thank you for sharing this grueling journey!
Too kind Jean, but I’m so damn slow at the moment. Trying to figure out how to get faster. 70hrs just for this short vid just isn’t sustainable in the long run. Really hoping I’ll get the hang of it soon so I can have a normal sleep schedule again. This is worse than when our kids were babies.
G'day David, your suction system was absolutely EPIC mate ~ Absolutely Brilliant. Also, you definitely stepped up your editing skills. Incredible job. Good onya mate! During your 1st sanding pass on all the bad glass ~ you'll definitely find NEW AREAS of delamination! HOWEVER, YOUR ATTITUDE IS FUCKING AWESOME! Cheers from Maldives 🇲🇻.
Thanks! And I have glass dust too, more than anything. And you’re right on with the 1st pass. I’ve already gone through twice more after the dust settles and had to grind a bunch more.
@@david_shih I ran through 3 passes on my Lagoon 52F before we finally had all the delaminated spots repaired and able to accept the new glass ~ both tabbing & sheeting. Pain in the arse ~ but definitely worth it! Continued success David! 🙌
Hey David, Lagoon used absolutely shit resin, putty adhesive, and shitty glass on the interior. Lagoon really went cheap with their products. The interior of my 52F was absolutely shitters and the crappy adhesive putty, didn't stick to shit ~ and it's the putty that Lagoon relied on for a proper & secure bond between the floor and hulls ~ and then you find out the putty didn't cure and bond the top to the bottom. Absolutely shitty product and crappy design. Keep an eye on all the putty seems. They're probably not even sealed and obviously bonded properly! Cheers David!
Hi David good to see Colin is still around to give a hand, you seem to have a better system with the dust control, hope you get her in the water soon and head home and getting the interior cabinetry repaired, see you next time.
Found your channel via Zingaro. For fiberglass I found that using a quality hair conditioner all over the itchy parts works really well for getting the glass out. Keep up the great work!
Cover yourself in powder before you start grinding. The powder fills your pores instead of the glass dust. I prefer the clubman powder for the scent. Great work, keep going.
Happy Thanksgiving David & family! The boat is important but the family is everything! It really burns my biscuits to see the cheap shortcuts and dangerous cost cutting measures taken by the manufacturer. You could have been in the middle of the Pacific with your wife & kids when the boat broke beyond repair! So, I hope the Shih family gets to take that once in a lifetime trip around the world, which is what you anted all along!
Hey PattiMes! We're getting so close! about another month to splash and another month before i get the boat home so everyone can move aboard!!! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well...we're bee-lining it in the van from TX to San Francisco trying to make it by thanksgiving dinner!
Protect your ball is priority nr one. Good stuff. David. Drop those mask filters. Get a mask connected to a hose with pressured fresh air. No big engine. Just some positive pressure to breath. A bit cumbersome but clean air and easy breathing will compensate a lot.
Hi David, I have watched Colin's full series, you are doing great mate, very very impressive. Don't stop believing in yourself. You are also helping many others out.
I love that you are doing the same job as Parlay and yet writing such a different narrative. Once again, the quality keeps getting better. Not sure what you do in the real world, but you seem to be a process driven person: Thought about setting yourself up in Linton Bay and becoming the world center for Lagoon Bulkhead Repairs? Maybe work with Lagoon? Be nice it there were a place to get a Lagoon approved repair process and you could become that place.
Thanks for the kind words Peter. Trying hard to improve the videos for sure! As for setting up shop--I know Colin gets offers all the time, but I've done enough grinding and fiberglassing to last me a couple lifetimes. It's been such a tedious learning curve trying to figure all of this out and weathering the actual discomfort of the work. I want nothing more than to sail this baby home and move the family aboard...if they still remember me that is.
I bet many 450s couldn't survive the sail to Panama. Those loosening shrouds must give poor sail performance? I am imagining being a 450 owner 2 years ago as Colin and others started to reveal this lagoon design and quality control problem. Lots of sleepless nights.
Great work on the dust reduction system! Talc powder on your skin, everywhere there’s a possibility of dust contamination! This Stops any itching. Just glass over the spirax, it’s where the vacuum has put extra pressure on the rovings! Triple the plywood on the bulkheads, glass layers between. What a nightmare, you’re doing a good job! Good Luck! 😎🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺
The problem is that the spirax wasn't bonded to the hull underneath so I ground it all out to have a good bonding surface. Yes on the triple plywood--got all of them installed a couple weeks back!!
I'm not sure 3 layers of crap plywood is enough. Some failures were internal in the plywood plus lots of hull debonding. I hope glass layers are put between.
I spent quite a bit of time building that system because it allowed me to procrastinate actually starting the grinding...i must have delayed about a month as I kept coming up with more things i just "absolutely needed to have" for the dust collection and ventilation setup...
So much progress Dave...how did you enjoy the fishbowl lol you can see it all sloshing around in your mask...lol I'm sure by now your on the refitting of cabinets and such. Great to see it not so bad but still a whole eff load of work. Keep on trucking, peace out ✌
Hey keith. So much sweat eh? I’m actually still fiberglassing a bout a week left once I get back to panama 1st wk of December. Splash by the end of the year!
Great video! Your hard work will give you the amazing cat you’ve always wanted and with the piece of mind to know it won’t come apart in the middle of the ocean. 🤞
Oh Chrispy, sounds like you’ve done some grinding yourself. I spent so many nights depressed curled up in the car worrying that I got too much of that crap in my lungs.
Great editing job David, and love your multiple air exhaust systems. Sailing GBU is going to be going on the hard in Puerto Rico soon to do some repairs/upgrades to their boat (NOT a 'goon or Beneteau). They apparently have at least one bulkhead that's "creaky".
Always nice to see another double glove wrist tape guy. Got to have the tyveks to. Haven’t found any overalls that compare. That said I’m getting itchy just watching this video. Great work mate.
@@elkskiutah8204 suprisingly no....they're more worried about taxing you on parts you bring down. I've learned to say that everything is just a tool...which isn't taxed.
Love the innovation with the air / dust extraction set up! That seemed to really make a difference in the salon by keeping everything somewhat contained. I watched the Colin and Jamie episodes and it looked like they would never get that stuff out…. Also really enjoy your graphics of dust clouds etc…. Fun, informative and great to be along for the ride! Thanks for creating and sharing David! Fair Winds from Boston.
Wow, I dont know what to say here @Dave why are those spirals there? I know why they use them, its used to make sure that the resin gets into every part of the lamination but not left in like afterwards, and to see parts not been laminated properly with dry sport and bad laminations that have not been rollered down correctly is completely shoking. But your getting there. Colin is correct tappering will make it stronger, and will help reinforce every join. Why is there no tabing under the deck? Dam great work @Dave 👏 Looking forward to your slash day 👊😎🖐
Isn't it crazy that there's no tabbing under the deck? that part blew my mind! Thanks so much for the support and watching! so much more content coming soon!
No tabbing is poor design. An geek designer worker on CAD not thinking real world tolerances. Or the tabs were designed off because they are fragile for stacking, moving and handling of the big cabin hunk.
@@elkskiutah8204 hrmmmm, never though of that being a reason for no tabbing...i just thought they miscalculated or were cutting costs. Either way the grey putty bonding method for ribs and bulkheads is so inadequate.
I meant building actual vertical tabs into the deck so that there could for sure be a glue surface contact points for the parts to overlap and mate to.
When you think ablout how they build the any vessel. They firstly astart of with the hull the and ribs and stringers, next comes the bulkheads. After this they then bond down the main deck to the rest on the vessel. So before they add the deck they can add tabbing to all bulkheads before putting the deck inplace. Think about how you yautch would look if all the deck was not there at all. Your see everything. So why not make tabs then before adding the decks. Think of it like this, you have a box with no lid. Add bulkheads. Now add tabs. When you add the lid you automatically add more surface areas for the gule to bond down top lid. Thats why i was saying its so mind blowing that there not there at all. Never mind seeing the spirituals still there. Shame but as allways dave great video, much respect all 😁
Wow what a life of a sailor. You guys make an old salt very jealous. If only we had this technology when at sea. We had great times like this also but are just great memories now and you guys re live it for me. I feel as though I really know you all. Much love ❤️ and happiness 🥃🍤💕💰🎶🎶 and hugs 🤗
Happy to know you enjoy it! And good to know you look back on all this fondly…sometimes when youre in the trenches it gets a bit overwhelming, but I need to remember it’s all part of the amazing journey!
!! WOW !! You absolutely hit it out of the park with this one!! When I saw the reverse slow-mo of the paper suits I literally almost spit my coffee out all over the living room!!
You're the best watch of vids ever! I literally celebrate out loud "wooooo!" when i read your comments. It just happened twice and the wife is next to me driving us to San Francisco asking, "god you scared me, what the heck is wrong with you?" Lol!
Thanks Tim!!! For the next video I’m making a short time warp to real-time where we go check out the Annapolis boat show and all the shenanigans we get into.
Just subscribed to you David, what an absolute indictment on the lack of quality control you are able to articulate! Your skills, creativity & wonderful demeanour are a credit to you & your family. This journey is utterly captivating & the way you're able to capture it for us is amazing. Thank you from us to you- all the best from Noosa, Queensland, Australia ⛵⚓💪✌
Colin you need too watch this “14 peaks”☺️🙏🏻..the fella in it nimsdai purja..reminded me of you..same grit and determination in everything he does as you have..just an observation☺️🦾🔥🔥
Dammmm getting quite interesting to see some of these deep dives into Lagoon 450's and all the "craftsmanship" that goes into a cat of this calabler. Glad your fixing everything brother! Lagoons got some examining to do.
Oh but that is tantamount to an admission there is a "bigger" problem. Frankly I'm shocked they have not offered you and Colin hush money to go away with an NDA but it's a bit late for that I think. The question is who's Lagoon 450 is next to get the "fix" only to find more to fix? I'd love to see someone with an intact Lagoon 450 do the mods so we can see what one is "supposed" to look like.
Hey we really enjoy the vids! I used to work in fibreglass and we didn’t have the paper suits- just jeans and t shirt and the only way that worked for me every night was to have the shower as hot as you can stand it, let your pores open up and get a scrubbing brush that’s not too violent and scrub away. Enjoy!
wow...tshirt and jeans... can't imagine how tough that would have been! I'm with you on the scrubbing, that seems to be the only thing that works for me.
I think a shower scene is due g rated of course. Because everytime I see you take off that sweaty suit I can 90% feel how bad you want to take a shower. How far is it to the shower? Is there endless water? Is it hot and cold to your desire?
Start with the shower just warm enough to be comfortable and scrub only ONE way while slowly increasing the temperature, it slowly opens up your pores and helps to remove the glass. I have been working on fiberglass boats for about 40 years...
A man and his boat. 100 Points for the edit. I too have done the hard yards. Baby powder is the only thing that works in cooler climate, however, once you sweat, that Sh!t will itch for 3-5 days. Scrub it in deeper and you will only feel it for 2 days. PPE is great, and boat repairs are fun, when you have money, time, PPE, cooler climate and helpers. OTHERWISE, it truly sucks. I think most people don't understand why we do it.... Because its bloody expensive to pay others.... You are all doing a project that many would charge 50-100K. At least you get to see everything and know your Cat, inside and out. Once again, great video... I cant wait for the movie.
Yes, why the heck is boat work so expensive?! I'll never understand. Sadly panama has a constant wet heat, so baby powder and talc just turns to paste and collects at my feet. Hard yards....I'm so ready to sail baby! What kind of boat are you in, you sound like you've been through it all as well.
Great episode David, what you've learned on your own and from others has resulted in quality workmanship! The results will be a better than a new Lagoon 450... You certainly won't lose your rig from the initial shoddy factory workmanship! Time to "glass on"!!
I am a fan of your fans, and vacuum system. Absolutely brilliant. That pile of dust in the dirt is not going to be drifting into crevices on your boat. (I once lived in an apartment I was also renovating. I had plastic up isolating the area where I was drywall sanding. Didn't matter, it got into my my camera in the next room and clouded up the viewfinder. The nastier the dust, the more insidious it is. I've worked with epoxy, and a little bit with polyester but never with vinyl-ester, It does seem that if you have de-lamination - then it maybe it wasn't properly prepped and laminated in the first place. (I have this vague nightmare of everyone knocking off for the day, or the weekend at the Lagoon factory and then doing no bloom wash or sanding to prep for applying the next layer of vinyl-ester when they come back to work.) If you're repairing a hole I'm pretty sure you're supposed to put the biggest piece on the bottom and then taper up to the smallest piece on the top. This way when you sand it you sand off the edges of the layers, and never cut into middle of any of the fabric. (Cat Great Circle in a video comparing the Lagoon 52 they replaced with an Outremer 55 mentioned reducing the noise from inside the boat as a factor ua-cam.com/video/Ohs-3nPzDK8/v-deo.html The whole video is good, I just linked to where Mark lists 'interior noise' as a factor. Makes me wonder if there are not craftsmanship issues on more than just the 450s. ) I've fought the fiberglass itch battle probably since your grandma was a kid (1960s?) We'd vacuum our skin, take really hot showers and then rinse in cold water. Never heard of vinegar. Loufa? Actually that looks like one of those Japanese scrubbers - been using those (but not for fiberglass) probably since your mom and dad were kids (1982?). Probably good for it. The best way to avoid fiberglass itch is aluminum, steel, or somebody else doing the sanding someplace else on some other boat. My plan for the Lagoon 450 is ... well I bought another boat. I'm choosing to trust the Aussies and the Vietnamese . But if I hear one squeak I'm turning around and taking it back. (Remember Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? "Fix it." ) Hang in there.
your nightmare is my nightmare...there were definitely days where the workers were like, "amine blush? i don't see no blush.... you sanded this last time right? let's glass!" this is classic, couldn't be more right.... "The best way to avoid fiberglass itch is aluminum, steel, or somebody else doing the sanding someplace else on some other boat."
@@david_shih You know I don't think I've seen amine blush more than just a couple of times - however I've always assumed it was there and usually sanded to remove it before adding more epoxy. I'd love to see videos of the Lagoon factory on a Monday morning- I'll bet they just start mixing.
You can layer the glass mat starting with the largest first. The thinking behind doing it that way is that each layer has a greater contact patch with the layer below.
I've heard it both ways smallest to largest (more pieces have contact to original surface) and also largest to smallest (biggest pieces has best bond to original. To be honest I cant work out the logic in my head of which one is better. Thoughts?
Hi David. Fiberglass: I hate fiberglass itch. The worst thing is rubbing or washing it. Try blowing it off. That is what we do. Boat: shocking the really bad quality, dry glass, non bonded or touching bulk heads and bridge deck. Amazing work you are doing.
I second this. Everything you can do to avoid rubbing the glass against your skin will aid in keeping it from being embedded. If you don't have an air compressor, a leaf blower level of air is the next best thing, and then finish with high pressure water like from a hose nozzle, not a pressure washer. :-). Use the air and water to push it off your skin, rather than against and into your skin. There's no perfect prevention from itches after it's already on your skin, but avoiding rubbing it in, and a hose spray at the end, has made the itches uncommon enough for me.
Great video very enjoyable just added your channel seen you before but was impressed this time Parley/ sophisticated lady/zingaro/ sailing doodles🤠👍 these are some of my faves
The cabinet maker who told you about dust and to move air here. I knew you would figure it out once I gave you a little direction. Move air that's the key. Very innovating setup great job.
Don't compare with Collin,use his mistakes and improve. Someone else does the same we all learn. Like your editing,hard work and your vacuum systems. Good luck man keep grinding you will get there
Watching you and Colin fixing these bulkheads and seeing the poor workmenships from lagoon makes my blood boils. People actually paid good money for these boats and are not getting the quality their deserve. As they always say if you want a job well done, do it yourself. Good luck buddy really enjoy watch your videos and Colin's too.
@@david_shih I feel your pain. My brother is a marine mechanic in Singapore. If you ever sail there and need an engine servicing work. Let me know. I will line you up with him. Good luck buddy.
Man, I feel so sorry for you! I so hope I never have to do this. And the vinager, the idea is to make the follicals contract and thus push out the glass. It works with lemon too. Or cold water. Not perfecly, but enough to make it bareable. Good luck! /Catta
Hey Catta! Sounds like you've done this before. "Bareable"....now that's the key bc there's no winning against glass dust. You can only survive. Hows the garden coming along...any new tips on grown greens on a boat?
@@david_shih Yeah, my cousin's oldest kid got cought in some spanish hell-bush, and as he (really, a very pain tolerant kid) was screamng is head of, they drenched him in lemon and a cold shower, and it made him bare the pain. So, I'm a beliver. He is 30+ years old today, and we still use that "grandma"-remedy. Oh, YEAH, greens on a boat! I'm thinking basil, as it is easy. It HATES the sun, so indoors. And I'm gonna try tomatoes, a cherry one (probably black cherry and sungold) and let them climb around a fixture. Oregano, maybe. BUT, jalapeno! That one is soooo easy, it just needs sun and warmth. The poorer the soil, the hotter the jalapeno. Perhaps a bit of scallions. Its a easy potted plant. /C
@@david_shih Hum makes me wonder if you could ask programmer to write you a program that can automatically access the website and have the program automatically try all the variations of possible passwords of characters you tell the program to try. Just make sure you don't give him your account info lol as 500K could be a big temptation. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
You got that right! Thank the catamaran gods. side note, I may or may or may not have stalked Colin online and begged him to save me a spot next to him on the hard.
David, for someone who is new to "boat rebuilds" / major repairs, your planning and design for exaust and waste is a thing of beauty😂👌Meticulous 👍Breaking Bad move over 🤣
Hey Peter! I'm terrified of getting more crap in my lungs. Also its amazing what you can accomplish when you're trying desperately to avoid something else. I spent a good month procrastinating starting the grinding, coming up with more and more parts of the dust collection and ventilation system. Eventually I built it all and had no more excuses but to start grinding!
@@david_shih l think even Colin was impressed with all your prep work prior to taking off the carpentry, compared to the way you did it, they hacked theirs out 😂🤣
Yeah that kind of work is worth clicking subscribe
@@david_shih The dust collection system that you created probably added 5 more years to your life.
@@david_shih Hello Dave, do you know if Lagoon compensated all the 450 owners with the same problem?
The design flaws we all know about. The workmanship flaws bring this fiasco to another level. Hope you found everything that needed repairs. You don't want to ever repeat this tear down and grinding process so good advice from Colin on the bulk head in the engine compartment. Get'r done now so you can relax knowing you never have to repeat this process...will help with resale value too.
Yes sir Tim! Never again is my motto...so whatever i have to do to never do this again!
Well I would say poor or sloppy workmanship is a large part of what we live with. There are many apartment/Condo buildings being town down after 20 or 30 years yet my Aunt and Uncle lived in a cottage that had an entry in the Domesday book. I myself purchased a showhouse on a new estate this is built so prospective buyers can order off book .I toured some of these slightly newer houses that had never been live din and the difference in quality was palpable.
However a boat is something you rely upon to keep you safe whereas Lagoon obviously slapped then together as quick as they could. It may well be that those 450's that have not had bulkhead issues YET only are in this shape as these boats had better workmanship.
I think people should reconsider buying any French built boat the cost of labour is obviously a lot higher in France then say Vietnam South Africa etc.
@@glennedwards1449 so i’d say most of the 450s show the problem, and if not, it just hasn’t happened yet and needs to be reinforced. The other lagoon models should be fine, despite the ‘standard’ workmanship levels.
Looks to me to be severely lacking in design strength. I'm not sure these repairs will hold up. Sad to see those cabinets ripped out. I think they will cost a bunch to make look good again. It seems to me the cabinets should have been designed to add lots of structural support. Any boat designer who relied on 3/5" 7 ply wood was not very good. As Collin said his additional lower side plies popped right off so they glued and screwed some like yours. I see so many shear failures and a few days of fiberglass slapped on is wishfull thinking. The fix kit was hatched in the boardroom as an appeasement. Those 450's and 500s have zero resale value in this mechanical engineers opinion.
David you’re in another level. The angles, speed ramping, story telling and the tools you come up to do the hard work not so much painful, and the most important your personality with that contagious positive attitude . Just wait and see, this channel is going to explode 👍🔥🔥
Wow lifejoy. Thank you so much. Hope you’re right! I would love to be able to make these videos full time!
Like others have said, great job editing and putting this episode together. There is a lot of detail to unpack, but you made it look easy and effortless. I know a lot of work went into this one.
Hey Brad, yes, editing this one ate me alive. I thought I'd be done on Sunday and it took 2 more full days and 1 night to finish it. Really glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully i'll get faster at all this!
What a great video. Every Thursday morning my time, I sit at my desk, watch your video get a smile on my dial. Then I’m ready for the day.
Thanks Chanmlas! really appreciate you taking the time to watch!
EPIC THANKS from the world. You and Colin have changed the world by carefully documenting your craftsmanship and creative solutions. The “Shih Particulate Low-pressure Acquisition Trap” (SPLAT) is now the gold standard for grinding safety. I know it’s a total PITA to do the work *AND* film *AND* produce these videos but it’s critical for the global community. What a blessing that so much talent has been assembled in one place. Keep up the hard work. Be encouraged even during the low moments when your muscles ache and your mind is weary. Let each sunset bring a moment of peace and every sunrise a renewed vision of sailing the open ocean with your family by your side.
Don…you’re pretty epic with words! Thanks for the inspirational words my friend! Epic is the name of the boat actually. The boat that I still call by her maiden name “oups” until she’s whole again.
well said Don!
You’re making great progress. You’re a good dude David and I wish you all the happiness you deserve when your back in the water.
Fuzzy...you make me feel good. Thank you!
I am absolutely speechless with the amount of work between your boat and Parley when it comes to grinding. God awful. Keep the content coming, can’t wait to see more.
Got a ton more coming your way… and I dare say the story line gets a bit better. As in I slowly film more than just the actual work we’re doing.
A full-face positive-pressure (from remote) air supply mask is a really good thing. I use a Breathe Cool II from Turbine Products. A turbine pump is placed in an area with clean air and supplies low pressure air through a hose to the full-face mask. I no longer have sweat dripping in my eyes, or rolling around in the bottom of the mask. No worries about an imperfect mask seal. I haven't tried it yet, but I've got a Y-valve to split the incoming air into the Tyvek suit. That's a modification recommended to me by a shipyard worker. It should help cool and keep some particles out.
I’ve heard of the positive pressure masks, but never the positive feed into a suit. Ingenious…no more dust creeping into every tiny suit opening!! I’ll check out the breathe cool, thx!
@@david_shih The mask works really well. I've used it in nearly white-out conditions while grinding fiberglass in the forward storage compartments of my catamaran during a Florida summer. The cyclonic separators upstream of the shop vacs are definitely required when working with such volumes of fine dust. I use one from Home Depot that fits on a 5-gal bucket. With that and a HEPA filter in the vac, exhausting air into the living area has been OK for me. I'm about to setup a negative pressure zone to grind in one of the heads. I now live aboard, so I'll have to be very careful about leakage. I'll use a 20 inch box fan with a 20 inch air filter taped to it, and fashion an adapter to a pair of 3 inch flexible duct hoses that will fit to the small portlight there. I can't just release dust where I'm docked now. Was the dust that escaped your zone solely from you entering and exiting?
David, another FANTASTIC, entertaining video. More and more, it's not just a hurricane or over powered sailing or, or, or (anythign Lagoon can think of). Too bad the 450 Bulkhead group is now HEAVILY moderated and mostly a "Lagoon and this boatyard did a great job. Lagoon is the bestest manufacture ever" group. Glad people can still come to UA-cam for the truth !
Thanks for the support Doug! funny how Lagoon took over that group so quickly! To each their own, but the truth is here if you want it. I’m happy to share my story.
What are some of the lagoon 450 group sites
David, I enjoy your episodes to the moon and back. The pride of your ownership along with Colin’s is undeniable. Thank you for everything yourself and Colin do for us UA-camrs, to enjoy watching the best channels on UA-cam. I sure hope one day to meet you guys. That be awesome.
Dude I’m so thankful to have you watching every week. It really does make all this worth it! Let’s get together one day and go for a sail…on a boat with super strong bulkheads!
@@david_shih you know the story might not be about the boat but your journey through a difficult challenge and as a narrator of the journey you are doing great. Keep making videos regardless of where your adventure takes you.
LOL… “Please be a Good Boat”… Great video! It’s a little like a Forensic Post Mortem, documenting the structural issues as well as the flaws in workmanship… which are all pieces of the puzzle. Thanks for the hard work, sharing the process and the positive attitude
You’re right about the post Mortem! We found so many extra problems than we went in there for. Most of which was just bad glasswork that would be forever hidden if not for the bulkhead issue causing us to open her up! Couldn’t do it without your support brother-thank you for your help on patreon!
There are always a few build defects in a production boat but because they are generally overbuilt it is not a problem . However in the Lagoon where the bulkhead is clearly underbuilt all of the build quality issues loom large.
@@faircompetition1203 that’s actually the approach I’m taking to rebuilding the bulkheads. Overbuild bc mistakes will be made.
@@david_shih Absolutely the right way , the only caveat is to beware of moving the load to a different weak spot . I am thinking of adding an aluminum plate below the mast on my boat but am also aware that I could be moving the flex to the ends of the plate and cause it to crack there .
I love your editing! Great videos, David! Can't wait to see you cruising.
Thanks Jae! We are so close. I’m in San Francisco for Thanksgiving but once I get back we’ve got a week of fiberglassing left and a week of painting the hulls and then we’re back in the water. Wahoo…but then I have to relearn how to sail before we can go anywhere.
David I have done a lot of fiberglass but never in such confined spaces. I respect your decision to do it yourself, that is what I have always done. There will be satisfaction in the end no matter how you feel now. It also puts you in a different league than the guy who buys everything. Looking at the comments your already a superstar on the net. So as a spokesman for Lagoon grinding away on a boat that is criminally built in a substandard way and sleeping in your airconditioned car. As reward for your purchase. That picture in the car says it all. Thanks for the posts and keep them coming, I know your subscribers are all for you.
Fred, such kind words--thank you! There is definitely a sense of pride doing the work myself, but if i had the money...I can't imagine not paying someone to do it all. It's so much more than i could have imagined--i was so naive. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
But if you hired a crew a prudent person would still want to be onsite every day to watch the quality or hire an independent inspector to be onsite making sure the work is done correctly.
Oh man the animations the music and the transitions to the beat.... you nailed it.
Yaaaas, you noticed! Thank you!
I check UA-cam every Sunday and cant wait for The David Shih Vlog, we are all cheering for you and I was thinking of getting a 450F and just fixing it because the prices are starting to drop, but after watching your videos we just want to go sail, LOL your energy makes us smile the whole time we are watching.. Keep Pushing and we love the car moments and all the graphics, well done.... you might set a record as the fastest UA-camr to get to 100K.... we will defiantly see you on the water someday soon and create more epic adventures together.... thanks for editing and grinding and filming and all the positivity.... Quote of the week "life is a grind"
You guys are too kind. It’s an inspiration to see people with content like yours actually watching my vids. Thank you guys for paving the way!!
How the heck can I learn something from u, when I cant stop laughing. Despite from making this video so enjoyable, you transfer so much confidence and skill, its just awesome.
Well done David
Learn from me??? Lol, Wrong channel, I think you’re looking for Parlay Revival! I kid, thanks so much for the nice uplifting feedback! Really appreciate you watching.
Hi David
Your abilities are clearly in your creativity and the will to find solutions. Sure you're not an engineer like me, but you're infectiously positive! What a wonderful gift. :))
You and Parlay have exposed so many problems with the Lagoon manufacturing. At least it's going to be a lot better now that you are addressing the problems. It will be nice to see you building back.
Hey Jim! Everytime I see you comment I think of Austin and miss her dearly. We're a couple videos away from starting to rebuild her. Can't wait to show you that crazy process!
Hi David, good to know that you are making a hell lot of progress last week while being able to record everything. I am sure you will have ton of story to talk about for the rest of life.
Since you have negative pressure air ventilation, you may want to try to air blast these dust with compressed air, it will blast out the fiberglass dust that stick on the surface due to the static.
Hey lee, no access to compressed air, but wait till you see how I cleaned all the residue… hint: garden hose!
This is insane ! Having seen already on Parlay but now in more detail on your boat the levels you are going too, to fix this boat is incredible. That dust though.. OMG !!
Yes Indo..the dust...oh god the dust. Thanks so much for watching every week-- it really means a lot.
What a quality story telling and editing. Fun to watch and entertaining. What comes from Parlay is always good it seems. I wish you a very succesful outcome David.
Thanks Joel. Really appreciate it. Yes parlay-good people.
Absolutely MAD editing skills along with your grinding skills. Great video ... keep em coming. What a life story! Thanks!
Thanks so much Patrick! Never thought about it as a life story, but it will have taken almost a year by the time I’m done. So yes…so there was this time that I sailed to panama to fix this small problem on my boat for a few weeks. Well it turned out to be a big problem and a bit longer…
I rarely comment, but I'll have to make an exception for this one. Your editing along with the music and videography, subtitles and diagrams is on point. I can hardly believe you've only been making videos for only a couple of months. The amount of effort you must be putting into it is insane. Great work, and thanks for sharing it!
Dan...i've made some videos years ago that got tens of views. So i'm really trying to put more effort into these as I love the process and would love to be able to do this full time one day. I really appreciate you noticing the little things...and yes these vids are taking forever to edit at the moment--I'm down to about 70 hours each. It's not exactly sustainable in the long term, but hoping i figure something out to speed up the process.
@@david_shih 70 hours is definitely up there in terms of editing for you to be able to release even a biweekly vid, and of course, that's not feasible if you want to get anything else done. You'll get faster at it, for sure, although you might need to cut some of the little details from time to time if you want to keep to a deadline, it depends where you want to go with it.
IMO, don't worry too much about releasing on a set schedule at this point, I'm sure most of us viewers can appreciate the amount of effort you're putting in making and editing the videos, and as long as you're enjoying doing it, it'll shine through in the end result.
Having said all that, there's no doubt you'll be able to grow to match the larger boatbuilding/sailing channels one day. I'm already looking forward to the time I'll be like: 'David Shih? Yeah, I saw his first video when it was actually released, are you just catching up now?'
@@Dan-ld2py I’ve done weekly for the past 4 weeks and I’m a mess for sure! I’ll figure it out, there’s still some time in the day I’m wasting I’m sure.
I hope you get to say that one day!! I’ll try to make you proud. Thanks so much for watching!
Best video yet. Love the music. You really did an amazing job showing how much work is involved in SAFELY grinding away all the damaged areas in your boat in preparation for an awesome repair. I can't wait until the next episode of your saga. Just remember it will be all worth it someday when you're happily sailing across oceans in you super strong catamaran.
Hey david!! Awesome you liked the music, I spent a bunch of time trying to make it work, but still didn’t know if it meshed right. Yes, I need this baby strong so i never have to sit there wondering how to save my family while in big seas.
Good job on clarifying which part of the boat you are in.
was wondering if that was too distracting! glad it helped! Im always so confused as to where they are when watching sailing channels.
The editing on this was awesome! Good to see progress happening
Sweet, thx chris. Upcoming videos will actually show repairs and rebuilding!
Buddy! I can't say enough good things about your edits! Loving the map of the boat where you show the area you are working on, but really it's all of it, great cuts, great music, great info, and it seems like your videos just get better and better. Great work on your dust system as well! Not being there I can't tell but the only thing I can point out that might make it better is metered air replenishment. You of course want to keep a low pressure area where you are working but also allow a finite amount on new air in to allow your exhaust fan (cool unit by the way) to carry away the particles. No idea if the air from under the door and all the crevices is enough, but you could always put one more hole in your window board and another bit of wood on a screw that you can rotate over the hole in order to adjust incoming flow. Ehh, it's a theory at least. Cheers, it might not be easy, but you will have immortal videos of those times to look back on and for others to study and enjoy :-)
Hey good idea on the rotating wood/hole metered air. I could feel a steady breeze coming in from under the door, but it was all a guess to be honest! Thanks for the kind words about the video…probably spent way too much time on it, but once I get started I can’t stop until it feels right!
Thanks
Thank you for watching my friend!!!
woah!! no way, just saw the £10.00 amazing Mr. Curiosity Land Rover - Mars is next. Where are you from?
@@david_shih - I have been watching you and Parlay for a long time. - Have a beer on me.
I am not a sailor, but relate to some of your struggles.
Home is 50 miles from London.
Keep up with the dreams. We are here for a good time, not a long time.
@@curiositylandrover thanks for the beers 🍻! To good times brother!
Good to see your spirits are high, great video. When all this is over you will have earned every sunset,palm fringed Beach, and paradise you can find.im so glad I no longer fix up boats..the most toxic enviroment to endure before all the fresh air and clear water that comes later..great editing on the video..once the demo stops and the rebuild starts you are building for your future , not fixing someone else's shitty work..and your on your way.
Your outlook is so true. Boat life couldn’t be more of a dichotomy. It’s the Most toxic environment during repairs vs the freshest and cleanest lifestyle all other times. Can’t wait till I reach the latter.
@@david_shih well that's a new word you have taught me today , dichotomy..I had to google it..never heard it before.
You are a great entertainer
Keep it up
Love watching your videos
Rob & Nancy Vos Canada
Rob and Nancy! Thank you guys! Tons more videos to come!
David!! You are a true hero living the nightmare to be able to live the dream!!!! Keep at it you inspire us all!!!!
Will do!! Thanks for continuing to watch Stevo!
I worked with sheet and shard fiberglass for a living. Use 2 different shower scrunchie. Cold first wash helps. Only wash down, NEVER up. From the top of your arm to your fingers. NEVER up. Pulling up only pushes the glass in your skin more. The fist shower scrunchie is to remove glass, the 2nd is to clean. Even when the work is done, wash down for a week after.
This Channel is growing on me... Great job editing, the best on UA-cam.
Means a lot john, trying my best to make something entertaining while still getting to share my story.
@@david_shihI wish you the best and cant wait to see what you do next.
It is great editing and it appears living in Panama and all that sweating is getting you in shape
Great video! I loved the post production editing, I laughed at the jokes. I was very impressed w/ your vacuum extraction set-up! No doubt you’ll be able to but her back together, and better then when she first left the factory!
Thank you and thank you! Most people (wife) can’t stand my jokes. Putting her back together will be a whole new learning curve to conquer! But im ready!
8:47 True Houstonian!!! lmao I’m in bruh!!
12:35 and another glassing legend!
And David, you’re the dust abatement KING! Awesome job bruh.
Hahah, Blair....you get me bro. People don't understand that in Houston we have ac literally everywhere. They don't sell cars without a/c, there's no such thing as a store or restaurant without a/c. If we took our a/c addiciton any further we'd build those quarantine style pastic tarped enclosed walkways to connect our front doors to our driveways so the walk to the car would be a/c'd as well. Well I guess that makes me think about our garages...why don't we have a/c in there?
@@david_shih lol, my 4 car garage is insulated and I have 2 ducts piped in. I put it on a zone by itself, and I’ve got a thermostat by my workbench! bwahahaha
I'm impressed 👏 not only have you adapted well and took the knowledge parley learned but you have added alot like the ventilation system but you seem like a natural at UA-cam I watched you on zingaro and subbed today looking forward to seeing you and your family's journey
Thanks so much for the sub! So much more progress and Tons more videos to come!
What you are doing is nothing short of pure dedication and a very strong will to sail that vessel. You are literally bonding with your boat! (No pun intended.) Not to mention protecting your monetary investment!. I wish you the very best of luck and many safe long voyages. And thank you for sharing this grueling journey!
Happy to share and glad your watching!!! Definitely bonding with her…I’m slowly giving her all of my soul!
you probably have a few thoughts on where you would like to stick that plastic tubing if you ever visit Lagoon
Haha, needed that laugh brother, thanks!
Top class editing
Too kind Jean, but I’m so damn slow at the moment. Trying to figure out how to get faster. 70hrs just for this short vid just isn’t sustainable in the long run. Really hoping I’ll get the hang of it soon so I can have a normal sleep schedule again. This is worse than when our kids were babies.
I take it all back David, you have the energy & the smarts to fix this boat…..Go Well (Cairns, Australia)
Thanks Berk!! will do!
Another very creative video David. Good watching 👍👍
G'day David, your suction system was absolutely EPIC mate ~ Absolutely Brilliant. Also, you definitely stepped up your editing skills. Incredible job. Good onya mate! During your 1st sanding pass on all the bad glass ~ you'll definitely find NEW AREAS of delamination! HOWEVER, YOUR ATTITUDE IS FUCKING AWESOME! Cheers from Maldives 🇲🇻.
Thanks! And I have glass dust too, more than anything. And you’re right on with the 1st pass. I’ve already gone through twice more after the dust settles and had to grind a bunch more.
@@david_shih I ran through 3 passes on my Lagoon 52F before we finally had all the delaminated spots repaired and able to accept the new glass ~ both tabbing & sheeting. Pain in the arse ~ but definitely worth it! Continued success David! 🙌
Hey David, Lagoon used absolutely shit resin, putty adhesive, and shitty glass on the interior. Lagoon really went cheap with their products. The interior of my 52F was absolutely shitters and the crappy adhesive putty, didn't stick to shit ~ and it's the putty that Lagoon relied on for a proper & secure bond between the floor and hulls ~ and then you find out the putty didn't cure and bond the top to the bottom. Absolutely shitty product and crappy design. Keep an eye on all the putty seems. They're probably not even sealed and obviously bonded properly! Cheers David!
Hi David good to see Colin is still around to give a hand, you seem to have a better system with the dust control, hope you get her in the water soon and head home and getting the interior cabinetry repaired, see you next time.
Thanks for continuing to watch Hoepfner’s!!!! Fixing that cabinetry is going to be a whole other beast!! I’m ready!
Found your channel via Zingaro. For fiberglass I found that using a quality hair conditioner all over the itchy parts works really well for getting the glass out. Keep up the great work!
Cover yourself in powder before you start grinding. The powder fills your pores instead of the glass dust. I prefer the clubman powder for the scent. Great work, keep going.
Happy Thanksgiving David & family! The boat is important but the family is everything!
It really burns my biscuits to see the cheap shortcuts and dangerous cost cutting measures taken by the manufacturer. You could have been in the middle of the Pacific with your wife & kids when the boat broke beyond repair!
So, I hope the Shih family gets to take that once in a lifetime trip around the world, which is what you anted all along!
Hey PattiMes! We're getting so close! about another month to splash and another month before i get the boat home so everyone can move aboard!!! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well...we're bee-lining it in the van from TX to San Francisco trying to make it by thanksgiving dinner!
Really good video David! Still good to see the Colin and Jamie input in these videos. Making solid progress this week.
Such an invaluable resource...couldn't say that enough.
Protect your ball is priority nr one. Good stuff. David. Drop those mask filters. Get a mask connected to a hose with pressured fresh air. No big engine. Just some positive pressure to breath. A bit cumbersome but clean air and easy breathing will compensate a lot.
Hi David, I have watched Colin's full series, you are doing great mate, very very impressive. Don't stop believing in yourself. You are also helping many others out.
Thanks for the support Clinton! Can't stop, Won't stop!
Looking good David, your so lucky to have the resources of Colin, have a Happy Thanksgiving!!
Good work mate !! looks epic and will be even more epic when it's done! All the best bro
Thanks Nick, Can't wait!
Excellent content, storytelling and editing make for a great video. Lagoon should be buying back every Lagoon 45 at market value B.C. (Before Colin).
Yes this should be a buyback. But why before BC?
@@elkskiutah8204 Just in case the value fell after Colin exposed the Lagoon 45 faulty bulkheads.
I love that you are doing the same job as Parlay and yet writing such a different narrative. Once again, the quality keeps getting better.
Not sure what you do in the real world, but you seem to be a process driven person: Thought about setting yourself up in Linton Bay and becoming the world center for Lagoon Bulkhead Repairs? Maybe work with Lagoon? Be nice it there were a place to get a Lagoon approved repair process and you could become that place.
Thanks for the kind words Peter. Trying hard to improve the videos for sure! As for setting up shop--I know Colin gets offers all the time, but I've done enough grinding and fiberglassing to last me a couple lifetimes. It's been such a tedious learning curve trying to figure all of this out and weathering the actual discomfort of the work. I want nothing more than to sail this baby home and move the family aboard...if they still remember me that is.
I bet many 450s couldn't survive the sail to Panama. Those loosening shrouds must give poor sail performance? I am imagining being a 450 owner 2 years ago as Colin and others started to reveal this lagoon design and quality control problem. Lots of sleepless nights.
Great work on the dust reduction system! Talc powder on your skin, everywhere there’s a possibility of dust contamination! This Stops any itching. Just glass over the spirax, it’s where the vacuum has put extra pressure on the rovings! Triple the plywood on the bulkheads, glass layers between. What a nightmare, you’re doing a good job! Good Luck! 😎🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺
The problem is that the spirax wasn't bonded to the hull underneath so I ground it all out to have a good bonding surface. Yes on the triple plywood--got all of them installed a couple weeks back!!
I'm not sure 3 layers of crap plywood is enough. Some failures were internal in the plywood plus lots of hull debonding. I hope glass layers are put between.
Moving right along david. Kudos on taking the time to control the dust, awesome system you set up. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours
I spent quite a bit of time building that system because it allowed me to procrastinate actually starting the grinding...i must have delayed about a month as I kept coming up with more things i just "absolutely needed to have" for the dust collection and ventilation setup...
@@david_shih Colin was impressed
So much progress Dave...how did you enjoy the fishbowl lol you can see it all sloshing around in your mask...lol
I'm sure by now your on the refitting of cabinets and such.
Great to see it not so bad but still a whole eff load of work. Keep on trucking, peace out ✌
Hey keith. So much sweat eh? I’m actually still fiberglassing a bout a week left once I get back to panama 1st wk of December. Splash by the end of the year!
Great video!
Your hard work will give you the amazing cat you’ve always wanted and with the piece of mind to know it won’t come apart in the middle of the ocean. 🤞
Bloody hell, I'm sneezing just looking at all that dust.!!!!!
Oh Chrispy, sounds like you’ve done some grinding yourself. I spent so many nights depressed curled up in the car worrying that I got too much of that crap in my lungs.
@@david_shih
Grinding steel and aluminium mostly. Grinding fibreglass does not look like fun at all.
Great editing job David, and love your multiple air exhaust systems. Sailing GBU is going to be going on the hard in Puerto Rico soon to do some repairs/upgrades to their boat (NOT a 'goon or Beneteau). They apparently have at least one bulkhead that's "creaky".
Aw cool! I love those guys!! Maybe I’ll reach out and donate some of my extraction gear!
@@david_shih They'll probably try to pick your brain as well LOL
David.
You are awesome. Keep going, we're enjoying it.
Thanks big Al!!! Super glad you like it!
Always nice to see another double glove wrist tape guy. Got to have the tyveks to. Haven’t found any overalls that compare. That said I’m getting itchy just watching this video. Great work mate.
Double glove wrist tape guy, thanks for watching and and getting itchy in solidarity! Tyveks are expensive but pretty dust proof!
Any issues with immagration and boxes of tyvex suits? Haha. Just watched both narco series and they needed them in those coke factories.
@@elkskiutah8204 suprisingly no....they're more worried about taxing you on parts you bring down. I've learned to say that everything is just a tool...which isn't taxed.
Thanks for sharing and love the positive tempo.
Love the innovation with the air / dust extraction set up! That seemed to really make a difference in the salon by keeping everything somewhat contained. I watched the Colin and Jamie episodes and it looked like they would never get that stuff out…. Also really enjoy your graphics of dust clouds etc…. Fun, informative and great to be along for the ride! Thanks for creating and sharing David! Fair Winds from Boston.
Boston in the house! Thanks J...appreciate you following along!
Wow, I dont know what to say here @Dave why are those spirals there? I know why they use them, its used to make sure that the resin gets into every part of the lamination but not left in like afterwards, and to see parts not been laminated properly with dry sport and bad laminations that have not been rollered down correctly is completely shoking.
But your getting there.
Colin is correct tappering will make it stronger, and will help reinforce every join.
Why is there no tabing under the deck?
Dam great work @Dave 👏
Looking forward to your slash day 👊😎🖐
Isn't it crazy that there's no tabbing under the deck? that part blew my mind! Thanks so much for the support and watching! so much more content coming soon!
No tabbing is poor design. An geek designer worker on CAD not thinking real world tolerances. Or the tabs were designed off because they are fragile for stacking, moving and handling of the big cabin hunk.
@@elkskiutah8204 hrmmmm, never though of that being a reason for no tabbing...i just thought they miscalculated or were cutting costs. Either way the grey putty bonding method for ribs and bulkheads is so inadequate.
I meant building actual vertical tabs into the deck so that there could for sure be a glue surface contact points for the parts to overlap and mate to.
When you think ablout how they build the any vessel. They firstly astart of with the hull the and ribs and stringers, next comes the bulkheads. After this they then bond down the main deck to the rest on the vessel. So before they add the deck they can add tabbing to all bulkheads before putting the deck inplace.
Think about how you yautch would look if all the deck was not there at all. Your see everything. So why not make tabs then before adding the decks.
Think of it like this, you have a box with no lid. Add bulkheads. Now add tabs.
When you add the lid you automatically add more surface areas for the gule to bond down top lid.
Thats why i was saying its so mind blowing that there not there at all.
Never mind seeing the spirituals still there.
Shame but as allways dave great video, much respect all 😁
Wow what a life of a sailor. You guys make an old salt very jealous. If only we had this technology when at sea. We had great times like this also but are just great memories now and you guys re live it for me. I feel as though I really know you all. Much love ❤️ and happiness 🥃🍤💕💰🎶🎶 and hugs 🤗
Happy to know you enjoy it! And good to know you look back on all this fondly…sometimes when youre in the trenches it gets a bit overwhelming, but I need to remember it’s all part of the amazing journey!
!! WOW !! You absolutely hit it out of the park with this one!! When I saw the reverse slow-mo of the paper suits I literally almost spit my coffee out all over the living room!!
You're the best watch of vids ever! I literally celebrate out loud "wooooo!" when i read your comments. It just happened twice and the wife is next to me driving us to San Francisco asking, "god you scared me, what the heck is wrong with you?" Lol!
@@david_shih have fun in San Francisco my aunt and uncle lived in Benicia and they use to take my wife and I to pier 39 all the time.
@@david_shih hey while your un San Francisco if your in the area you should stop by Ripples head office for a pic or two
Amazing job David again you hit the editing out of the park!! Can’t wait for more videos keep up the awesome work!
Thanks Tim!!! For the next video I’m making a short time warp to real-time where we go check out the Annapolis boat show and all the shenanigans we get into.
Another fine program, Thankyou David . Thankyou Parlay .
Thanks robert!!! Got the next vid almost done. A couple more hours of editing!
Newish subscriber and catching up on older episodes. David your fast moving editing style and music selections are second to none!
Thanks for subbing my friend! Glad you like the editing style. I try to edit exactly what I like to watch!
So much work. Hope it all pays off. Thanks for sharing.😎
It's starting to Eleanor! I'm almost done...just a few couple weeks from splashing once i get back down there after Thanksgiving!
Great sense of humour David, I’m loving your videos
Thanks Kev...gotta keep myself amused in the midst of this mess!
Just subscribed to you David, what an absolute indictment on the lack of quality control you are able to articulate! Your skills, creativity & wonderful demeanour are a credit to you & your family. This journey is utterly captivating & the way you're able to capture it for us is amazing. Thank you from us to you- all the best from Noosa, Queensland, Australia ⛵⚓💪✌
Thanks so much for the sub. Glad to be able to share all this craziness with you guys. The journey has just begun!!
Must be a real thorn in the side of lagoon.
Colin you need too watch this “14 peaks”☺️🙏🏻..the fella in it nimsdai purja..reminded me of you..same grit and determination in everything he does as you have..just an observation☺️🦾🔥🔥
I’ll check it out…14 peaks, thx! Appreciate the support!
Dammmm getting quite interesting to see some of these deep dives into Lagoon 450's and all the "craftsmanship" that goes into a cat of this calabler. Glad your fixing everything brother! Lagoons got some examining to do.
If I was lagoon, I'd be sending engineers or qc people out to examine 1st hand.
Oh but that is tantamount to an admission there is a "bigger" problem. Frankly I'm shocked they have not offered you and Colin hush money to go away with an NDA but it's a bit late for that I think. The question is who's Lagoon 450 is next to get the "fix" only to find more to fix? I'd love to see someone with an intact Lagoon 450 do the mods so we can see what one is "supposed" to look like.
Great film, even greater film, great that you have the Parlay team next to you for support.
Yeah for sure man. I’d be so lost and probably have given up if not for them!
Hey we really enjoy the vids! I used to work in fibreglass and we didn’t have the paper suits- just jeans and t shirt and the only way that worked for me every night was to have the shower as hot as you can stand it, let your pores open up and get a scrubbing brush that’s not too violent and scrub away. Enjoy!
wow...tshirt and jeans... can't imagine how tough that would have been! I'm with you on the scrubbing, that seems to be the only thing that works for me.
I think a shower scene is due g rated of course. Because everytime I see you take off that sweaty suit I can 90% feel how bad you want to take a shower. How far is it to the shower? Is there endless water? Is it hot and cold to your desire?
Start with the shower just warm enough to be comfortable and scrub only ONE way while slowly increasing the temperature, it slowly opens up your pores and helps to remove the glass. I have been working on fiberglass boats for about 40 years...
great video man, amazing edit, that dust extraction system was a great idea
good luck with the repairs
shame on Lagoon for such a bad work
thanks for continuing to follow the crazy journey McFly!
Really amazing video work David.
Thanks Craig! Working hard at making it more interesting to watch!
Nice work Dave … great prepping and handling all that itchy fiberglass .. 2 thumbs up 👍
Thanks 👍
Really enjoy your videos so many good things I can't mention them all you are so lucky to have Collins there to help you
Glad you like them! And you couldn't be more right about being near Parlay. Colin has been an endless well of boat knowledge--I owe the guy!
A man and his boat. 100 Points for the edit. I too have done the hard yards. Baby powder is the only thing that works in cooler climate, however, once you sweat, that Sh!t will itch for 3-5 days. Scrub it in deeper and you will only feel it for 2 days. PPE is great, and boat repairs are fun, when you have money, time, PPE, cooler climate and helpers. OTHERWISE, it truly sucks. I think most people don't understand why we do it.... Because its bloody expensive to pay others.... You are all doing a project that many would charge 50-100K. At least you get to see everything and know your Cat, inside and out.
Once again, great video... I cant wait for the movie.
Yes, why the heck is boat work so expensive?! I'll never understand. Sadly panama has a constant wet heat, so baby powder and talc just turns to paste and collects at my feet. Hard yards....I'm so ready to sail baby! What kind of boat are you in, you sound like you've been through it all as well.
A bathe is the best for that itchy feeling. Such great editing!!!!
Dana thanks so much!
Great episode David, what you've learned on your own and from others has resulted in quality workmanship! The results will be a better than a new Lagoon 450... You certainly won't lose your rig from the initial shoddy factory workmanship!
Time to "glass on"!!
Thanks daniel!!! The less things I have to worry about when out there the better. Glass Baby glass!
I am a fan of your fans, and vacuum system. Absolutely brilliant. That pile of dust in the dirt is not going to be drifting into crevices on your boat. (I once lived in an apartment I was also renovating. I had plastic up isolating the area where I was drywall sanding. Didn't matter, it got into my my camera in the next room and clouded up the viewfinder. The nastier the dust, the more insidious it is.
I've worked with epoxy, and a little bit with polyester but never with vinyl-ester, It does seem that if you have de-lamination - then it maybe it wasn't properly prepped and laminated in the first place. (I have this vague nightmare of everyone knocking off for the day, or the weekend at the Lagoon factory and then doing no bloom wash or sanding to prep for applying the next layer of vinyl-ester when they come back to work.)
If you're repairing a hole I'm pretty sure you're supposed to put the biggest piece on the bottom and then taper up to the smallest piece on the top. This way when you sand it you sand off the edges of the layers, and never cut into middle of any of the fabric.
(Cat Great Circle in a video comparing the Lagoon 52 they replaced with an Outremer 55 mentioned reducing the noise from inside the boat as a factor ua-cam.com/video/Ohs-3nPzDK8/v-deo.html The whole video is good, I just linked to where Mark lists 'interior noise' as a factor. Makes me wonder if there are not craftsmanship issues on more than just the 450s. )
I've fought the fiberglass itch battle probably since your grandma was a kid (1960s?) We'd vacuum our skin, take really hot showers and then rinse in cold water. Never heard of vinegar. Loufa? Actually that looks like one of those Japanese scrubbers - been using those (but not for fiberglass) probably since your mom and dad were kids (1982?). Probably good for it. The best way to avoid fiberglass itch is aluminum, steel, or somebody else doing the sanding someplace else on some other boat.
My plan for the Lagoon 450 is ... well I bought another boat. I'm choosing to trust the Aussies and the Vietnamese . But if I hear one squeak I'm turning around and taking it back. (Remember Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? "Fix it." ) Hang in there.
your nightmare is my nightmare...there were definitely days where the workers were like, "amine blush? i don't see no blush.... you sanded this last time right? let's glass!"
this is classic, couldn't be more right.... "The best way to avoid fiberglass itch is aluminum, steel, or somebody else doing the sanding someplace else on some other boat."
@@david_shih You know I don't think I've seen amine blush more than just a couple of times - however I've always assumed it was there and usually sanded to remove it before adding more epoxy. I'd love to see videos of the Lagoon factory on a Monday morning- I'll bet they just start mixing.
Good job brotha. Foreman up and get it done. Can’t wait till next video. Happy holidays.
good job David, Looking forward to seeing the cat back in the water! Happy Thanksgiving!
Thx Keet! We’re so very close. A couple more weeks of work once I get to Panama. Just got home for thanksgiving! But I’m so excited!
You can layer the glass mat starting with the largest first. The thinking behind doing it that way is that each layer has a greater contact patch with the layer below.
I've heard it both ways smallest to largest (more pieces have contact to original surface) and also largest to smallest (biggest pieces has best bond to original. To be honest I cant work out the logic in my head of which one is better. Thoughts?
@@david_shih For epoxy, start with the largest. For ester resin, start with the smallest.
Hi David. Fiberglass: I hate fiberglass itch. The worst thing is rubbing or washing it. Try blowing it off. That is what we do. Boat: shocking the really bad quality, dry glass, non bonded or touching bulk heads and bridge deck. Amazing work you are doing.
Tim. I’ve got a battery powered blower…I’ll try that trick next time! Once before the suit comes off and maybe once after. Thanks!
I second this. Everything you can do to avoid rubbing the glass against your skin will aid in keeping it from being embedded. If you don't have an air compressor, a leaf blower level of air is the next best thing, and then finish with high pressure water like from a hose nozzle, not a pressure washer. :-). Use the air and water to push it off your skin, rather than against and into your skin. There's no perfect prevention from itches after it's already on your skin, but avoiding rubbing it in, and a hose spray at the end, has made the itches uncommon enough for me.
But this is panama and I thinkost of us can't imagine the sweat and heat grinding in a suit in a hot boat in the sun.
Great video very enjoyable just added your channel seen you before but was impressed this time Parley/ sophisticated lady/zingaro/ sailing doodles🤠👍 these are some of my faves
Ah thanks!! Had an epic music night aboard sophisticated lady a while back!! I think it was in ricks episode a couple weeks ago! What a great host!
@@david_shih yeah Rick and Maddy are awesome 🤠👍
The cabinet maker who told you about dust and to move air here. I knew you would figure it out once I gave you a little direction. Move air that's the key. Very innovating setup great job.
Thanks for the tips brother! Could have doubled that ventilation fan though, but the next size up was over $600 in panama.
Don't compare with Collin,use his mistakes and improve. Someone else does the same we all learn. Like your editing,hard work and your vacuum systems. Good luck man keep grinding you will get there
Thx dj! Will do…and let’s hope I’m done with grinding forever (we both know that’s not possible!)
Your video skills are brutal... evolve object and subject...🤟👏🏻
thank you so much! if only i could figure out how to speed up the editing process!
Watching you and Colin fixing these bulkheads and seeing the poor workmenships from lagoon makes my blood boils. People actually paid good money for these boats and are not getting the quality their deserve. As they always say if you want a job well done, do it yourself. Good luck buddy really enjoy watch your videos and Colin's too.
It’s crazy what companies can get away with as the norm when they’re not checked! Thanks for coming along for the ride Wilson!
@@david_shih I feel your pain. My brother is a marine mechanic in Singapore. If you ever sail there and need an engine servicing work. Let me know. I will line you up with him. Good luck buddy.
Man, I feel so sorry for you! I so hope I never have to do this.
And the vinager, the idea is to make the follicals contract and thus push out the glass. It works with lemon too. Or cold water. Not perfecly, but enough to make it bareable. Good luck! /Catta
Hey Catta! Sounds like you've done this before. "Bareable"....now that's the key bc there's no winning against glass dust. You can only survive. Hows the garden coming along...any new tips on grown greens on a boat?
@@david_shih Yeah, my cousin's oldest kid got cought in some spanish hell-bush, and as he (really, a very pain tolerant kid) was screamng is head of, they drenched him in lemon and a cold shower, and it made him bare the pain. So, I'm a beliver. He is 30+ years old today, and we still use that "grandma"-remedy.
Oh, YEAH, greens on a boat!
I'm thinking basil, as it is easy. It HATES the sun, so indoors. And I'm gonna try tomatoes, a cherry one (probably black cherry and sungold) and let them climb around a fixture. Oregano, maybe. BUT, jalapeno! That one is soooo easy, it just needs sun and warmth. The poorer the soil, the hotter the jalapeno.
Perhaps a bit of scallions. Its a easy potted plant.
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Wow the work you put in is amazing. Thanks for sharing David and I hope you figure your password out. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Thx keith!!! Still working on the password. Odds are slim, but haven’t given up!
@@david_shih Hum makes me wonder if you could ask programmer to write you a program that can automatically access the website and have the program automatically try all the variations of possible passwords of characters you tell the program to try. Just make sure you don't give him your account info lol as 500K could be a big temptation. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Wow, Dave, you are at the right place at the right time!!!
Play safe from Elliot Lake, Ontario, Canada.
You got that right! Thank the catamaran gods. side note, I may or may or may not have stalked Colin online and begged him to save me a spot next to him on the hard.
Hi david , keep up the good spirit. Good job to get rid of the dust. It kills you ! .
Coming along very nice. Good Job
Great work love the set up man that is a lot of dust.
So incredibly much!!!! The dust and extraction systems helped, but the bit that it missed….10% of a crap ton is still a whole lot.