I like my 40kwh Leaf but when it hit 40 degrees plus here in Germany charging was a challenge. Car took days to cool down even in my garage under the house. Was first thinking „wow the new leaf is great“ but after seeing this video I realized it’s not worth the upgrade because in the end it takes the same time for long trips as my Leaf. I recently went 800 kilometers with my family and it took me about 14 hours. Four charging stops were planned but took two additional stops because of the kids. My advice would be do the 500 in one day and the rest the following. We will see how my leaf holds up when we visit Norway next year. Great video 👍
Great video. This shows that the fast-charging speed is very important when driving long distances. 50 KW is yesterdays speed. I will require 150 KW charging speed in my next car for sure.
This video confirmed exactly what I thought. It's ok for day to day, but the Leaf 30 is ok for day to day. So there's no point buying a larger battery Leaf really... Model 3 SR+ has a smaller battery and goes further, and faster. It's just nuts
Exactly... I have a Leaf 30 kWh and I was thinking on a second EV to completely remove the fossil cars from my home. I'm only missing a EV capable of doing about 500 Km a couple of times a year with a good fast charging network... So, I'm probably going to a Model 3 SR+ next year unless something better appears in the market!
@@rocketman4315 Thanks for the tip! :) I need to wait a few more months before making a decision: In Portugal we don't have Ionity or any other fast charging company that people have in Norway or Germany. We have to "trust" in the public 50 kW chargers (just one charger per each 50 Km now - and sometimes the network is down or with some chargers disconnected) or we have about 6 or 7 SuC that always work and are expanding...
I find the limit with my 30kwh leaf is 3 fast charges. #4 will send it into the red zone and it will stay there forever, even on a cold day. Not only is there no cooling but the battery is well insulated. Even at 53C you don't feel anything warm above or below the battery. I will be so happy when there is an alternative that I can afford.
@@shaonian I did 4 fast charges with my Leaf 30kWh...to accomplish a 600Km round-trip at 100 Km/h. Probably it took me 8 hours with the chargers (75Km/h average - Better than Bjorn test for this new Leaf). I didn't had LeafSpy back then so probably the battery was already really hot at the end (10 dashes out of 12) and it took about 2 or 3 days to return to the 5 dashes average.
@@pedronunes1353 So the temperature didn't get into the red zone? And you're in a hot country... It's winter here and I was going to a ski resort but I did do 110km/h. I don't think the 30kwh throttles the charging speed when the battery gets hot. It still charged at full power (45kw) even when it went into the red.
It is true that very rarely will anyone make this kind of trip so long, but it has been proven that Leaf has a huge flaw. In my case it is already excluded as a purchase option.
I have a 62kw techna+ and did not pay the sticker price. Nissan cut the price because they know the opposition Is coming. The Tesla Standard Range + is over 40k with no discounts. So instead of a bottom of the range model 3 I get a top of the range Leaf 8 to 10k less with better build quality cheaper insurance and better reliability. The Leaf is still a nice car.
Its such a shame that Nissan wasted the opportunity to do small small upgrades to the leaf. Why didnt they give it a CCS chargeport (only for europe) and 11 kW On-board charger (maybe also the europe package). They should have put some fans in to have at least some active air cooling (this would help a good bit). Virtual cockpit, like in the e-golf. Just some small changes, but they would have made a huge difference. Its a shame Nissan isnt taking EVs seriously.
I'm sorry to be negative but Nissan seem to have fallen way behind... Every new EV coming out now has battery cooling and support for at least 75kW charging. It's not really enough to up the battery capacity and call it a day, and I think they (Nissan) are going to feel that.
They do....I've bought a leaf 1 in 2013, at that moment the best available FEV. But discarded the leaf2 62KWH.... Because of this loading issues and , even with this battery, a relative low range I've bought a KonaE 64. With the KonaE I can do a 1000km ride easy with only 2 charges for 60 minutes (50KW charger) or 45 minutes (75KW chargers) to more than 80% chargeload. So 2 meals.
@@kawa1755 , not when done properly. When you have active battery cooling, you're not going to damage the battery even if you charge at 2C+ speeds (C being capacity of the battery, so for a 60kWh battery 2C would be 120 kW) between 20-ish and 65%.
@@clipse85 yes that is the main issue.This is probably why nissan went with lower charging capablities. Knowing they don't have battery cooling. Which is incredibly stupid.
SparkEV made in 2013 goes 1000 km in 16 hours even with 82 miles rated range. If on longer trip (ie, 1500 km), old SparkEV would take less time than this new Leaf, because initial long range advantage of Leaf becomes less of a factor.
You can get a great deal on the Leaf, especially in America. It can be a great car for the right owner who does their research. There is a good chance that battery replacement will be cheaper in the future so this car could last 20 years with a second battery.
Even my plug-in hybrid's battery is air cooled by at least two fans. It's absolutely unacceptable for an electric car to have no active cooling of any kind.
As much as I love the new leaf, others are definitely ahead in the game as Nissan refuses to adapt to the market. Active thermal management and upgrade the tech is a must!
Agreed. This car is not for everyone. I do love it though and just bought one. I'm hoping in 10 years battery replacement will be much cheaper as the rest of the car seems built to last.
Depends on where you live. In America, currently there is not a tax credit on it so that would lower the price. Also, Nissan is giving out rebates now which Tesla certainly isn't doing. The Tesla Model 3 is a better car, but I don't consider them to be a similar price here in America.
they now do not even know if they want real alliance with renault, or anybody (to actually lower their costs of development, share tech etc.), they do not really want leaf to be good, they want it to be cheap to make, so they can have higher margins. But as you all know, one cooling fan cannot be so pricy, but would make a world difference
Thumbs up if we look forward to a race between new and old Ioniq. Rumoursw say the new one is a slow charging car, maybe Ioniq-Björn could find out if there is a distance where old overtakes the new on very long runs.
@@Demobot1 From simonselectriccar.com/2019/06/11/new-2020-ioniq-electric-announced-but-its-not-all-good-news/ -"The downside? Well, the battery is borrowed from the Kona 39, it has been reported that this means it has fewer cells. That probably means a lower system voltage, nominally 319V compared to 360V. So what? Well, charging power is dictated by the current available at the charger side, and the voltage of the battery. Power = (Volts * Amps). With a 125A charger, and 319V, you’d get 40kW out of an existing “50kW” Polar Ultracharger. That means 46 minutes to 80%, assuming 125A is available at a state of charge as high as 80%. That’s in line with the quoted 54 minutes to 80% from Hyundai, perhaps confirming the 319 volt setup. However, even 40kW is looking optimistic if you look at experience of Kona 39 charging in cold weather. The rapid charging behaviour is significantly more conservative than the existing Ioniq. To compare with other cars, a charging rate of “miles per hour” is useful, so this represents around 190 miles per hour added*. Not bad, but disappointing compared to the existing car which can reach 240 or so..."
At this stage model 3 standard plus seems like a better deal, This is still a day trip/ city car.. If I had to travel back n forth from my home in Lillehammer to say, Hamar, it would be great, even a drive to Gardermoen wouldn't be so bad, be nice to have a small car to compliment our model S, that would be useful if wife has the MS but this won't be the one. Great review as always Bjørn!!!, Not all heroes wear capes.
"It can't do 1000Kms at once regularly, so it's no better than a 30Kw Leaf!!!" Some comments around here are so damn stupid. We have a daily commute of a good 100Kms and we need an EV that will do that no matter what (as in: with charge to spare for ice and snow and also in case we get stranded) and will also do the occational additional leg to another destination. And all this without the need to charge on the road and without coming home with an emtpty battery. We will almost never do fast charging, maybe once a year, and if so, we won't do more than 600Kms a day. We are not 18 anymore. Fast charging is the most uneconomical way to run an EV anyways. The Leaf e+ - opposed to a 30Kw leaf - is perfect for that. Just sayin.
Nissan engineers hang your heads in shame. You knew full well that batteries needed cooling when you went from the 24 to the 30kWh, to have ignored that and carried on regardless is unforgivable. I own my first Nissan EV at the moment, it will be my last.
@@decimal1815 With 62kWh battery? Hard to believe it. Even the 40kWh version would be a good long distance car! Just look at the Ioniq 38kWh. If they didn't screw up the Ioniq38's charging curve, the car would be better than the Ioniq 28kWh. And in this state is still is better than the Leaf 62kWh.
I have taken a Ride from South Germany to Sylt ( about 900 km ) with my e-Golf 2019 mod. I was able to reach the destination faster as the Leaf. Within 6 x charging sessions my old System were at the end faster. 🙃 Please notice that I have only 35,8 KWh battery capacity.........
I have an e-Soul on order. I looked at the Leaf but I didn't like how it beeped at me for absolutely everything. I tried the Kias and I liked the design of the Soul more, so a Soul it is. Delivery late January. Can't wait. Installed a zappi wallbox a couple of weeks ago, and winter tires arrive in the post tomorrow.
I wouldn't say failed as much as disappointed. I love the Leaf for my drives up to 75 miles (120 km). Haven't needed more than that yet and we have a second gas powered car for long road trips. It's also not selling well in America so I got a really good discount. I'm hoping that in the next 10 years battery replacements won't cost as much in which case the rest of the car seems built to last.
The Leaf has just been released in Australia. We have 30 plus days over 30 degree ambient. Some days over 40+. I considered the Leaf but due to the lack of battery temperature management I bought the Kona. No regrets. Average about 140w/km 100km/h driving with heater on, it's winter here...With heater off, 120w/km. Kona for the win.
Also don't forget about the immense degradation in hot climate. So actually the 62kWh Leaf makes sense there because after 5 years you might only have 40kWh of usable capacity left. At least that is what happened to the old Leaf.
@@TBasianeyes Old Leafs had very different battery chemistry to the new 60 kWh. The earliest 24 kWh models suffered from bad degradation, but it's improved a lot in newer models. That said, active thermal management is always good for battery longevity. Leaf could still be worse than other EVs.
I wonder what did Nissan think making this newer version of Leaf with the bigger battery, knowing what the other companys are bringing to the market. In comparison to the other ev‘s it‘s really only useful as an expensive city car. The competition is soooo much better and cheaper. I just don‘t get it. It‘s like thinking: „let‘s make an ev, which is pretty bad and cost so much that we earn some money, people will buy it anymore because of the fame of leaf being the best selling ev on the world...“. Not anymore, Nissan, not anymore!
Glad I got me an Ioniq, not that I'm travelling 1000km in one heat, but even over 400 km the Ioniq does better and thats a distance I travel once in a while, the Ioniq never let my down on reduced charging speed, I've never seen battery temperature above 36°C. Thanks for taking us on your testing trips, I have to confess though I've been skipping the middle part. ;) Hey do
Wow. Love your reviews. You are amazing! I learned a lot today from this one. Had no idea that if the battery is too hot, it will effect the speed charging ability.and that a cooler battery is.better for.the.faster 50 kw charging. I am puzzled as to why Nissan would not have addressed this problem. Did they not think that owners would not want to take long distance trips? That this car would be mostly for city driving? So, on a hot summer day, if you are driving somewhere far, battery can overheat and effect charging g time. Not good.
I LOVE this new format. I know its time consuming but this is a great test. 120 km/h 1000 km this is some real hard test for EVs. If it is to time costly you could downgrade to 500 km test.
BRILLIANT VIDEO BUDDY. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO AND TAKING US ON YOUR JOURNEY! You made me so hungry 🤤 when you stopped for food lol. 👍👍👍👍👍THUMBS UP👍👍👍👍👍 Anthony, United Kingdom
Nice and chilly trip... But honestly, who should buy this car if you can get a Model 3 SR+ for almost the same price? With no overheating, CCS and the SuC network etc...
It's not just M3SR+. There are bunch of others like Bolt, KonaEV, SoulEV (new one), NiroEV. Yet people still buy Leaf. Uninformed or blind brand loyalty, hard to tell.
As someone who occasionally drives my Model 3 2020 SR+ across Europe (Eastern-->Southern), it's hard to do 1000km in less than 13 hours. In reality there are road constructions, traffic jams, longer-than-anticipated breaks due to toilet and what not. 13-15h is a pretty realistic result nevermind charging, you won't be going much faster than that. Of course, charging adds to any lost time due to traffic so decent charging speeds are important.
Unless this car is only for city driving it is fairly useless for the United States. Too slow to drive and charge...Nissan needs to step up its game if it wants to really sell EV.
I don’t understand why Nissan brought out this crappy Leaf for sale? It’s not a versatile car not worth looking at let alone buying one. Thanks for a great real life test. Well done! 👍
@@josephj6521 I wouldn't call it useless. I am actually considering a Leaf myself. I believe it's a great bargain looking at the tech and space you get. However the Ioniq 38.5kwh is still in the picture even though it's a smaller vehicle.
Walter Payne not for Australian conditions. It’s not a vehicle to take even on a few hundred kilometer journey. In the summers, the battery will struggle. That in my opinion is not only useless but dangerous. As for value. Absolutely not. Get yourself a different EV. 👍
@@josephj6521 Well I can't speak on Australia as I'm Canadian. But I can say that I was allowed to take a 40kwh Leaf for a 600km weekend trip and I had no issues. Plus I feel the e-pedal and propilot are superior to every other system out there except for autopilot.
Leaf is a great commuter car. Charge it at home and enjoy the comfort for shorter regular journeys. As a long-range EV it's not really good enough as this test demonstrates nicely.
The mistake Nissan made was not making the battery pack air cooled. Mercedes are planning to use air cooling via a heatsink on their next generation of electric cars. They say it will reduce the energy required for battery cooling and therefore increase the range.
Please test battery degradation on older leafs with alot of fastcharging to see how they hold up. I cant imagine the high temperature is good for the battery (takes half days to cool down).
I own a used 2014 leaf. I love it and it didn't cost me much. But it's a old battery and gives me a modest 120km range. Will look to replace with a used 2018 leaf next year which should double my range, but still easily recharge overnight on standard 240v at home. p.s. I still own an old toyota corolla for those occasional long holiday trips. My personal view is that an EV should be your second car, that you use 90% of the time.
Something I see in the U.S., that's shown here, is that the non-Tesla charging networks are poorly thought out. Charger locations are not at popular existing destinations and there's only one -- maybe two -- chargepoints at each location. I know FASTNED exists in Europe, but there's just no comparison in America. ElectrifyAmerica, the DieselGate-funded thing, is just putting 1-3 50 kW chargers at hundreds of the *thousands* of Walmart locations in the U.S. If you do road trips more than once per year in America, you just need to buy a Tesla.
The Bee charger in Snapparp is the worst charger in Sweden. On a rainy day you have to walk in a deep puddle of water since the ground leans towards the charger. And lots if lorrys are parked around it.
EV Charging station manufactures, listing to Uncle Bjorn, the more EVs the more EV charging stalls you need, Tesla has long understood this and is still installing more.
I noticed the noise of the Kia fan running. I do not argue that batterycooling is better, but do you or any other measure the noise the cooling system makes in EVs ?
Where do you live where a model 3 is comparable to a Leaf in price? In Sweden the SR+ it at least 50% more expensive than a Leaf (or most other non-premium EVs). I'm in envy of Norway, they don't have to pay VAT on EVs, so they're 20% cheaper than here in Sweden. We get a 60000 SEK grant on new EVs, but that's certainly not enough to make them affordable.
In your run you had worries about battery temperature. I am considering buying an iconic ev, I live in southern Spain with an average summer temperature of 36c in the shade, will the iconic manage at this heat?
What speed should you drive if you want to travel fast as possible 1000 km? You have 62 tekna with 100 kw charging options buts not very beneficial when you can charge under 30kwh anyway in long distance driving :D
It’s pretty sad that Nissan after more than 10 years of producing EVs STILL haven’t put a cooling system for the Leaf... And it’s not as if they haven’t done it with the eNV-200...
Just looked at that obdlink lx on amazon and it says quote 'Works on all petrol 2001+ and diesel 2004+ cars and light trucks sold in the European Union (except hybrid or electric vehicles)' Is there a special one for EV's
Watched this several times and found it disturbing. Car is supposed to charge at up to 100kW - max here is just over 40 - why? Was the Level 2 time and wait time deducted from total trip time? Our Leaf would overheat on a given trip at 0° or 40° ambient; all that really mattered was kWh added in a given time period.
In order to go 1000 km in a fast manner with an affordable car you don't need a big battery, but you need fast charging capability guaranteed by a liquid cooled thermal management of the battery. Nissan isn't understanding that. When I did 1000 km on BMW i3 with a 18,8 kWh battery it charged with a mean of 47 kW. And speed was 120 km/h as long as ist was possible, not 90 km/h. See facebook.com/peter.bering/posts/10209273499474963 My charging stops needed 15 minutes each, not 150 minutes or more like Nissan.
@Bjorn, translated with google from his twitter: "I had to reload 14 times on my trip # ELECTRICchallenge1000km. Have including recharging and less than 15 hours of driving / charging time with the driver in the BMW i3."
Would it make a difference if you parked somewhere for an hour in the shade before fast charging? For example, if your destination required you to park for a few hours, would it make sense to wait before charging to cool down the battery. Clearly, the car was not built for this. Still like it for daily use as long as you have a second car for long drives.
@@yd7014 yes, but in order to get the fastest AC charging with an Nissan Leaf: you will need to find a 22kW charger, but yes unless fitted with a three phase charger. It can only reach 6.6kW. So that's what I meant with 22kW: not the actual charging speed, but type of charging station.
The real problem with owning a Leaf? Weight gain. You'll eat too many hot dogs, waiting for it to charge. Fast charging EV = less eating, healthier driver.
Wish the car magazines would do their due diligence in EVs testing like Björn does.
I like my 40kwh Leaf but when it hit 40 degrees plus here in Germany charging was a challenge. Car took days to cool down even in my garage under the house.
Was first thinking „wow the new leaf is great“ but after seeing this video I realized it’s not worth the upgrade because in the end it takes the same time for long trips as my Leaf.
I recently went 800 kilometers with my family and it took me about 14 hours. Four charging stops were planned but took two additional stops because of the kids.
My advice would be do the 500 in one day and the rest the following.
We will see how my leaf holds up when we visit Norway next year.
Great video 👍
Not to mention possible accelerated degradation due to the high temperature sustained over long time.
800 km in 14h. WTF? Were you driving Kreisstraßen all the time?
Great video. This shows that the fast-charging speed is very important when driving long distances. 50 KW is yesterdays speed. I will require 150 KW charging speed in my next car for sure.
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And sadly, because of the lack of a battery cooling system, even 50kW is optimistic for a Nissan Leaf.
This video confirmed exactly what I thought. It's ok for day to day, but the Leaf 30 is ok for day to day. So there's no point buying a larger battery Leaf really... Model 3 SR+ has a smaller battery and goes further, and faster. It's just nuts
Exactly... I have a Leaf 30 kWh and I was thinking on a second EV to completely remove the fossil cars from my home. I'm only missing a EV capable of doing about 500 Km a couple of times a year with a good fast charging network... So, I'm probably going to a Model 3 SR+ next year unless something better appears in the market!
@@rocketman4315 Thanks for the tip! :) I need to wait a few more months before making a decision: In Portugal we don't have Ionity or any other fast charging company that people have in Norway or Germany. We have to "trust" in the public 50 kW chargers (just one charger per each 50 Km now - and sometimes the network is down or with some chargers disconnected) or we have about 6 or 7 SuC that always work and are expanding...
I find the limit with my 30kwh leaf is 3 fast charges. #4 will send it into the red zone and it will stay there forever, even on a cold day.
Not only is there no cooling but the battery is well insulated. Even at 53C you don't feel anything warm above or below the battery.
I will be so happy when there is an alternative that I can afford.
@@shaonian I did 4 fast charges with my Leaf 30kWh...to accomplish a 600Km round-trip at 100 Km/h. Probably it took me 8 hours with the chargers (75Km/h average - Better than Bjorn test for this new Leaf). I didn't had LeafSpy back then so probably the battery was already really hot at the end (10 dashes out of 12) and it took about 2 or 3 days to return to the 5 dashes average.
@@pedronunes1353 So the temperature didn't get into the red zone? And you're in a hot country...
It's winter here and I was going to a ski resort but I did do 110km/h.
I don't think the 30kwh throttles the charging speed when the battery gets hot. It still charged at full power (45kw) even when it went into the red.
It is true that very rarely will anyone make this kind of trip so long, but it has been proven that Leaf has a huge flaw. In my case it is already excluded as a purchase option.
I have a 62kw techna+ and did not pay the sticker price. Nissan cut the price because they know the opposition
Is coming. The Tesla Standard Range + is over 40k with no discounts. So instead of a bottom of the range model 3
I get a top of the range Leaf 8 to 10k less with better build quality cheaper insurance and better reliability.
The Leaf is still a nice car.
Its such a shame that Nissan wasted the opportunity to do small small upgrades to the leaf.
Why didnt they give it a CCS chargeport (only for europe) and 11 kW On-board charger (maybe also the europe package).
They should have put some fans in to have at least some active air cooling (this would help a good bit).
Virtual cockpit, like in the e-golf.
Just some small changes, but they would have made a huge difference.
Its a shame Nissan isnt taking EVs seriously.
Nissan really need to make a smaller version of the Ariya now the Leaf is obsolete..
24KWh 80% SOH 900km in 14h... And the battery was at 68% at the end. Charging at 110A to 60% on a last one. Nissan is going back in time...
I'm sorry to be negative but Nissan seem to have fallen way behind... Every new EV coming out now has battery cooling and support for at least 75kW charging.
It's not really enough to up the battery capacity and call it a day, and I think they (Nissan) are going to feel that.
They do....I've bought a leaf 1 in 2013, at that moment the best available FEV.
But discarded the leaf2 62KWH.... Because of this loading issues and , even with this battery, a relative low range I've bought a KonaE 64. With the KonaE I can do a 1000km ride easy with only 2 charges for 60 minutes (50KW charger) or 45 minutes (75KW chargers) to more than 80% chargeload. So 2 meals.
Faster charging lowers the life of the battery.
@@kawa1755 , not when done properly. When you have active battery cooling, you're not going to damage the battery even if you charge at 2C+ speeds (C being capacity of the battery, so for a 60kWh battery 2C would be 120 kW) between 20-ish and 65%.
@@clipse85 yes that is the main issue.This is probably why nissan went with lower charging capablities. Knowing they don't have battery cooling. Which is incredibly stupid.
SparkEV made in 2013 goes 1000 km in 16 hours even with 82 miles rated range. If on longer trip (ie, 1500 km), old SparkEV would take less time than this new Leaf, because initial long range advantage of Leaf becomes less of a factor.
The Leaf just isn’t good enough today. It’s a 2010 chassis with 2010 lithium ion battery tech - slow charging and prone to meltdowns. Avoid.
2010 chassis yeah, 2010 lithium ion battery tech nope, still a limited buy until Nissan releases their next EV with their new EV platform.
@@Cosmycal the cells might be 2019 but the design of the battery pack is 2010.
@@sondac999 That's correct.
meltdowns? No leaf had catch fire until today. Tesla and Hyunday is other story.
You can get a great deal on the Leaf, especially in America. It can be a great car for the right owner who does their research. There is a good chance that battery replacement will be cheaper in the future so this car could last 20 years with a second battery.
Even my plug-in hybrid's battery is air cooled by at least two fans. It's absolutely unacceptable for an electric car to have no active cooling of any kind.
As much as I love the new leaf, others are definitely ahead in the game as Nissan refuses to adapt to the market. Active thermal management and upgrade the tech is a must!
Agreed. This car is not for everyone. I do love it though and just bought one. I'm hoping in 10 years battery replacement will be much cheaper as the rest of the car seems built to last.
Model 3 SR+ seems like a much better choice for a similar price.
Kia niroEV for the win no worries!!
You can’t buy the model 3 because insurance is too expensive. So you have the esoul, Kia niro EV, Opel ampara-e, and Hyundai Kona Electric
Yep, model 3 SR+ for the win.
Depends on where you live. In America, currently there is not a tax credit on it so that would lower the price. Also, Nissan is giving out rebates now which Tesla certainly isn't doing. The Tesla Model 3 is a better car, but I don't consider them to be a similar price here in America.
why Nissan didn't provide this wonderful car a coolant for the battery ??
@@dr-tse Affordable??? hahahahah very funny
@@dr-tse 45.000€ in Portugal, is affordable ?!
they now do not even know if they want real alliance with renault, or anybody (to actually lower their costs of development, share tech etc.), they do not really want leaf to be good, they want it to be cheap to make, so they can have higher margins. But as you all know, one cooling fan cannot be so pricy, but would make a world difference
Kona manage this far better.
@@dr-tse for me the starting price of 43k€ isnt affordable... I bought my peugeot 3008 which doesent have to charge for two hours for 30k 😂
Wow, the old (current) Ioniq is way quicker over 1000km! 👍🏻
Thumbs up if we look forward to a race between new and old Ioniq. Rumoursw say the new one is a slow charging car, maybe Ioniq-Björn could find out if there is a distance where old overtakes the new on very long runs.
Ionically yes
@@svenwesterlund3405 I don't think the new Ioniq charges slower than the current Ioniq. Maybe it takes longer because there is more battery to charge.
@@Demobot1 No, it takes longer, because it uses 40 kWh pack from Kona, which has lower voltage. So same amps, lower voltage = lower kW.
@@Demobot1 From simonselectriccar.com/2019/06/11/new-2020-ioniq-electric-announced-but-its-not-all-good-news/
-"The downside? Well, the battery is borrowed from the Kona 39, it has been reported that this means it has fewer cells. That probably means a lower system voltage, nominally 319V compared to 360V. So what? Well, charging power is dictated by the current available at the charger side, and the voltage of the battery. Power = (Volts * Amps). With a 125A charger, and 319V, you’d get 40kW out of an existing “50kW” Polar Ultracharger. That means 46 minutes to 80%, assuming 125A is available at a state of charge as high as 80%. That’s in line with the quoted 54 minutes to 80% from Hyundai, perhaps confirming the 319 volt setup.
However, even 40kW is looking optimistic if you look at experience of Kona 39 charging in cold weather. The rapid charging behaviour is significantly more conservative than the existing Ioniq.
To compare with other cars, a charging rate of “miles per hour” is useful, so this represents around 190 miles per hour added*. Not bad, but disappointing compared to the existing car which can reach 240 or so..."
At this stage model 3 standard plus seems like a better deal, This is still a day trip/ city car.. If I had to travel back n forth from my home in Lillehammer to say, Hamar, it would be great, even a drive to Gardermoen wouldn't be so bad, be nice to have a small car to compliment our model S, that would be useful if wife has the MS but this won't be the one. Great review as always Bjørn!!!, Not all heroes wear capes.
"It can't do 1000Kms at once regularly, so it's no better than a 30Kw Leaf!!!" Some comments around here are so damn stupid. We have a daily commute of a good 100Kms and we need an EV that will do that no matter what (as in: with charge to spare for ice and snow and also in case we get stranded) and will also do the occational additional leg to another destination. And all this without the need to charge on the road and without coming home with an emtpty battery. We will almost never do fast charging, maybe once a year, and if so, we won't do more than 600Kms a day. We are not 18 anymore. Fast charging is the most uneconomical way to run an EV anyways. The Leaf e+ - opposed to a 30Kw leaf - is perfect for that. Just sayin.
Nissan engineers hang your heads in shame. You knew full well that batteries needed cooling when you went from the 24 to the 30kWh, to have ignored that and carried on regardless is unforgivable. I own my first Nissan EV at the moment, it will be my last.
Leaf was designed for short day trips I reckon.. and commuting.
@@decimal1815 With 62kWh battery? Hard to believe it. Even the 40kWh version would be a good long distance car! Just look at the Ioniq 38kWh. If they didn't screw up the Ioniq38's charging curve, the car would be better than the Ioniq 28kWh. And in this state is still is better than the Leaf 62kWh.
I have taken a Ride from South Germany to Sylt ( about 900 km ) with my e-Golf 2019 mod.
I was able to reach the destination faster as the Leaf.
Within 6 x charging sessions my old System were at the end faster. 🙃
Please notice that I have only 35,8 KWh battery capacity.........
DC fast charging with 22 kW 😂 Nissan failed again. I'm happy to have bought an Ioniq last month...
I have an e-Soul on order. I looked at the Leaf but I didn't like how it beeped at me for absolutely everything. I tried the Kias and I liked the design of the Soul more, so a Soul it is. Delivery late January. Can't wait. Installed a zappi wallbox a couple of weeks ago, and winter tires arrive in the post tomorrow.
I wouldn't say failed as much as disappointed. I love the Leaf for my drives up to 75 miles (120 km). Haven't needed more than that yet and we have a second gas powered car for long road trips. It's also not selling well in America so I got a really good discount. I'm hoping that in the next 10 years battery replacements won't cost as much in which case the rest of the car seems built to last.
The Leaf has just been released in Australia. We have 30 plus days over 30 degree ambient. Some days over 40+. I considered the Leaf but due to the lack of battery temperature management I bought the Kona. No regrets. Average about 140w/km 100km/h driving with heater on, it's winter here...With heater off, 120w/km. Kona for the win.
I wonder how this kind of summer test would perform in countries like Australia where summer temperatures can reach over 40c.
Impossible to do :/
Also don't forget about the immense degradation in hot climate. So actually the 62kWh Leaf makes sense there because after 5 years you might only have 40kWh of usable capacity left. At least that is what happened to the old Leaf.
I was thinking the same. It's 27°c in QLD in winter.
The beauty of Tesla is the active cooling/ heating of the battery. Hard to beat their battery management
@@TBasianeyes Old Leafs had very different battery chemistry to the new 60 kWh. The earliest 24 kWh models suffered from bad degradation, but it's improved a lot in newer models. That said, active thermal management is always good for battery longevity. Leaf could still be worse than other EVs.
I'm amazed that you can walk away leaving a laptop + cellphone on the ground and nobody would steal it :)
I was standing 3 meters away from it. Even if I did that in Thailand, no one would dare to steal it.
@@bjornnyland in Italy in 2 second you won't find anything. 😂
@@francescoricotti1461in the czech republic they would steal your car in front of you
"When the sky is red, it means THAT BLOOD HAS BEEN SHED...or a battery is overheating". - Bjorn Nyland, 2019.
Bjørn, eGolf36 1k challenge would be interesting too, as third round of the epic Bratwurst-Sushi battle ;)
Great job as always!
That really sad, it’s going to piss so many people off when it’s blocking the charger for so long.
I doubt it. They'll just make fun of us and go to a different charger.
I wonder what did Nissan think making this newer version of Leaf with the bigger battery, knowing what the other companys are bringing to the market. In comparison to the other ev‘s it‘s really only useful as an expensive city car. The competition is soooo much better and cheaper. I just don‘t get it. It‘s like thinking: „let‘s make an ev, which is pretty bad and cost so much that we earn some money, people will buy it anymore because of the fame of leaf being the best selling ev on the world...“. Not anymore, Nissan, not anymore!
Glad I got me an Ioniq, not that I'm travelling 1000km in one heat, but even over 400 km the Ioniq does better and thats a distance I travel once in a while, the Ioniq never let my down on reduced charging speed, I've never seen battery temperature above 36°C.
Thanks for taking us on your testing trips, I have to confess though I've been skipping the middle part. ;) Hey do
Wow. Love your reviews. You are amazing! I learned a lot today from this one. Had no idea that if the battery is too hot, it will effect the speed charging ability.and that a cooler battery is.better for.the.faster 50 kw charging. I am puzzled as to why Nissan would not have addressed this problem. Did they not think that owners would not want to take long distance trips? That this car would be mostly for city driving? So, on a hot summer day, if you are driving somewhere far, battery can overheat and effect charging g time. Not good.
Awesome video buddy, you deserve so much more subscribers 🛐👍👍👍👍
I LOVE this new format. I know its time consuming but this is a great test. 120 km/h 1000 km this is some real hard test for EVs. If it is to time costly you could downgrade to 500 km test.
People talk crap about Kia and Hyundai but they both kick the shit out of every version of leaf ever made.
Good color! I still love the looks of the new Leaf!
BRILLIANT VIDEO BUDDY. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO AND TAKING US ON YOUR JOURNEY! You made me so hungry 🤤 when you stopped for food lol.
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Anthony, United Kingdom
wow, driving that far and it stops at 999.9 xD
Nice and chilly trip... But honestly, who should buy this car if you can get a Model 3 SR+ for almost the same price? With no overheating, CCS and the SuC network etc...
It's not just M3SR+. There are bunch of others like Bolt, KonaEV, SoulEV (new one), NiroEV. Yet people still buy Leaf. Uninformed or blind brand loyalty, hard to tell.
very informative report about the leaf. great stuff as usual, thank you!
Hope you can do a charging test on 100+ kW CHAdeMO station.
BEE (ex Clever) costs 5 SEK/kWh. Still expensive though.
But they have an unlimited subsciption for 399 SEK/month as well.
@@nicnordic6143 Yeah, I mean, charging at Bee isn't my first choice , but whatever when you need the battery juice. :-)
As someone who occasionally drives my Model 3 2020 SR+ across Europe (Eastern-->Southern), it's hard to do 1000km in less than 13 hours. In reality there are road constructions, traffic jams, longer-than-anticipated breaks due to toilet and what not. 13-15h is a pretty realistic result nevermind charging, you won't be going much faster than that. Of course, charging adds to any lost time due to traffic so decent charging speeds are important.
Unless this car is only for city driving it is fairly useless for the United States. Too slow to drive and charge...Nissan needs to step up its game if it wants to really sell EV.
All this video proves is that active cooling is a must for EV batteries.
I don’t understand why Nissan brought out this crappy Leaf for sale? It’s not a versatile car not worth looking at let alone buying one. Thanks for a great real life test. Well done! 👍
@@josephj6521 I wouldn't call it useless. I am actually considering a Leaf myself. I believe it's a great bargain looking at the tech and space you get. However the Ioniq 38.5kwh is still in the picture even though it's a smaller vehicle.
Walter Payne not for Australian conditions. It’s not a vehicle to take even on a few hundred kilometer journey. In the summers, the battery will struggle. That in my opinion is not only useless but dangerous. As for value. Absolutely not. Get yourself a different EV. 👍
@@josephj6521 Well I can't speak on Australia as I'm Canadian. But I can say that I was allowed to take a 40kwh Leaf for a 600km weekend trip and I had no issues. Plus I feel the e-pedal and propilot are superior to every other system out there except for autopilot.
> chademo
> 2019
> europe
Oh well, what to expect from a company that does no battery cooling.
Great video again, thanx. Yeah please do this 1000km challange with Ioniq.
Great test Bjorn, this would be a great standard test year round with all your test fleet.
Thanks for this awesome video, Bjørn!
3:12 "Let me pass this slow fossil." Haha.
I also want to see a race between the classic Ioniq and the new Ioniq.
Leaf is a great commuter car. Charge it at home and enjoy the comfort for shorter regular journeys. As a long-range EV it's not really good enough as this test demonstrates nicely.
🤣🤣🤣🤣You crack me up mate, with your laughing and coughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
The odometer design is a shame for this type of car
Is there a "Nissan" river in Sweden? @12:54 You should have driven through that to cool the battery :D
The mistake Nissan made was not making the battery pack air cooled. Mercedes are planning to use air cooling via a heatsink on their next generation of electric cars. They say it will reduce the energy required for battery cooling and therefore increase the range.
22:21 If you only have 10 seconds to watch the video and you want a summary, that's pretty much it.
Does the car lose any charge if you leave it parked for a week without charging ?
04:32 Was that a fake cough? 08:50 I'm glad you are eating healthy.
Even the batteries from Toyota have a battery cooling!!!
Please test battery degradation on older leafs with alot of fastcharging to see how they hold up. I cant imagine the high temperature is good for the battery (takes half days to cool down).
@bjorn i hope that you will retest kia ev6(eg rwd) 1000 km challenge in summer
used second hand 40k nissan leaf good price good range used makes sense.
I own a used 2014 leaf. I love it and it didn't cost me much. But it's a old battery and gives me a modest 120km range. Will look to replace with a used 2018 leaf next year which should double my range, but still easily recharge overnight on standard 240v at home. p.s. I still own an old toyota corolla for those occasional long holiday trips. My personal view is that an EV should be your second car, that you use 90% of the time.
Something I see in the U.S., that's shown here, is that the non-Tesla charging networks are poorly thought out. Charger locations are not at popular existing destinations and there's only one -- maybe two -- chargepoints at each location. I know FASTNED exists in Europe, but there's just no comparison in America. ElectrifyAmerica, the DieselGate-funded thing, is just putting 1-3 50 kW chargers at hundreds of the *thousands* of Walmart locations in the U.S. If you do road trips more than once per year in America, you just need to buy a Tesla.
The Bee charger in Snapparp is the worst charger in Sweden. On a rainy day you have to walk in a deep puddle of water since the ground leans towards the charger. And lots if lorrys are parked around it.
Zoe will get that charging speed on AC...
Even says here flied lice” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 this guys awesome! 👍👍👍👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Yes! I definitely want to see Ioniq 1k test!!!
EV Charging station manufactures, listing to Uncle Bjorn, the more EVs the more EV charging stalls you need, Tesla has long understood this and is still installing more.
I have 2016SL 30kw also have the same problem battery really gets very hot after few hours of driving here in california. FYI .
Obviously Nissan failed again. Why Chademo, why no cooling? Whats the sense of this brandnew car?
Man I want Chinese Food here in USA! Go near any USA cities and you’ll find many of them!
I noticed the noise of the Kia fan running. I do not argue that batterycooling is better, but do you or any other measure the noise the cooling system makes in EVs ?
For this money a model 3 sr+ is so much more of a car. And I own a leaf 40!
Where do you live where a model 3 is comparable to a Leaf in price? In Sweden the SR+ it at least 50% more expensive than a Leaf (or most other non-premium EVs). I'm in envy of Norway, they don't have to pay VAT on EVs, so they're 20% cheaper than here in Sweden. We get a 60000 SEK grant on new EVs, but that's certainly not enough to make them affordable.
In your run you had worries about battery temperature. I am considering buying an iconic ev, I live in southern Spain with an average summer temperature of 36c in the shade, will the iconic manage at this heat?
Chop chop” yeah GOOD SHIT! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
What speed should you drive if you want to travel fast as possible 1000 km? You have 62 tekna with 100 kw charging options buts not very beneficial when you can charge under 30kwh anyway in long distance driving :D
It’s pretty sad that Nissan after more than 10 years of producing EVs STILL haven’t put a cooling system for the Leaf... And it’s not as if they haven’t done it with the eNV-200...
Chopchop looks delicious.
I'd like to see it against the Ioniq 👍.
I wouldn't try to eat an Ioniq. I bet it tastes awful 😉
You have air-conditioners in Oslo? (Looking at that HVAC setup on the side of your house)
Why always driving leafs on B ? and not on D ?
Agreed I have experienced better range on D.
Just looked at that obdlink lx on amazon and it says quote 'Works on all petrol 2001+ and diesel 2004+ cars and light trucks sold in the European Union (except hybrid or electric vehicles)'
Is there a special one for EV's
No it’s the same used for Toyota/Lexus hybrid cars, the advice is incorrect.
Watched this several times and found it disturbing. Car is supposed to charge at up to 100kW - max here is just over 40 - why? Was the Level 2 time and wait time deducted from total trip time? Our Leaf would overheat on a given trip at 0° or 40° ambient; all that really mattered was kWh added in a given time period.
I think Nissan will introduce a batter cooler early next year for this model. Is that right?
I heard there is something going on and I heard Nissan is visiting a leading charger manufacturer next Tuesday.
Icecream wraps are not tame, keep you running all the time 😂
I wish Nissan would take EVs seriously again.
Make Leaf Great Again could be their new slogan. But the, it was never that great to begin with...
Bjørn, are you doing the leaf 40kw 1000km challenge? thank you.
In order to go 1000 km in a fast manner with an affordable car you don't need a big battery, but you need fast charging capability guaranteed by a liquid cooled thermal management of the battery.
Nissan isn't understanding that.
When I did 1000 km on BMW i3 with a 18,8 kWh battery it charged with a mean of 47 kW.
And speed was 120 km/h as long as ist was possible, not 90 km/h.
See facebook.com/peter.bering/posts/10209273499474963
My charging stops needed 15 minutes each, not 150 minutes or more like Nissan.
You still needed over 14 hours? Or how long did it take to finish the challenge?
@Bjorn, translated with google from his twitter: "I had to reload 14 times on my trip # ELECTRICchallenge1000km. Have including recharging and less than 15 hours of driving / charging time with the driver in the BMW i3."
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Would it make a difference if you parked somewhere for an hour in the shade before fast charging? For example, if your destination required you to park for a few hours, would it make sense to wait before charging to cool down the battery. Clearly, the car was not built for this. Still like it for daily use as long as you have a second car for long drives.
I would make more sense to charge at a 22kw AC in those few hours.... instead of going to a fast Charger.
@@wesleyvelroij4837isnt it limited to 6,6 AC charging?
@@yd7014 yes, but in order to get the fastest AC charging with an Nissan Leaf: you will need to find a 22kW charger, but yes unless fitted with a three phase charger. It can only reach 6.6kW.
So that's what I meant with 22kW: not the actual charging speed, but type of charging station.
It stops at NEIN NEIN NEIN, NEIN?🤣🙋♂️
The real problem with owning a Leaf? Weight gain. You'll eat too many hot dogs, waiting for it to charge. Fast charging EV = less eating, healthier driver.
It's still better than the 40 kWh LEAF. I've seen that charging as slowly as 12 kW below 50% battery.
"Let's take out the charger and Leaf" 🤣
Nice
Good shiiiit, thank you, 999,9 was so funny.
Why didn't you put it in the undercarriage washinghall, where you usually get rid of salt...it cools down the battery in 5 minutes
+Dj Urabus Incorrect
best comment "let me pass this slow fossil!" hahahahahaha
nice car
I would be very happy, if you perform #ElectricCHALLENGE1000km with the Renault Zoe Z.E.40 also.
Should change the name of the to eating with Bjorn lol
never heard about the Nissan river (at 12:52) wow...
I thought the Leaf + had a cooling battery management?!?
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