How to make a chambered wooden surfboard.......The "Bogong".
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- A technique on making a wooden surfboard blank using plantation grown PAULOWNIA, how to chamber it and create a chambered timber surfboard.
A true timber/green board.....
Each board I create is unique so I like to name them. "Bogong" is named after the large 4 winged moth found in Australia.
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Damn dude. Great video, great editing. That chambering technique is super cool.
Beautiful board. Thought it was going to be a twin with keels. But I can dig the quad. Yew!
jdm31181 funny u should say, the fins on this board morphed into rear keels with tiny side bites.
Gotta admit, that was a great video, and very informative on building and shaping a "wood chambered surfboard" that has got me jonsing for a bit of crafting myself.........!
thanks Erin....get jonsing !
Very nice, my next board project will be a chambered board.
I am building one of these. I just picked up my wood. I'll be making a video of it so you can see what I've done as well. I tried building a wooden board the other way with limited success. I believe this way is one of the best. I don't know why more people don't build boards this way out of different materials.
Looks phenomenal , really good job mate.
Sick, great video John.
Fantastic video mate...and thank you for taking the time to answer everyone's questions.
Thank you, god bless you for making this video. I love how you explained the process in the beginning. Very helpfull
Stunning board mate
.....by the way John, the shape is fantastic. Very well done.
Thanks a million, mate! I just finished my first chambered surfboard. Thank you for putting up this video. I followed it step by step without stealing your "secrets" and my board came out beautiful and surfs like a dream!
Cheers Jason, happy to help ☺
@@DeepCreekTV which wood glue do you use, would love to know!
@@electricskateboardhub8126 I mainly use polyurethane foaming glue and Epoxy putty for nose/tail tips, fin boxes and plugs.
Great tips and idea for a newbie.. thanks John
Just to keep everyone interested up to date, last Jan 14 I trashed the "Bogong". I took off late behind the rocks at Schnapper Rocks GC on a 6' dredger & drove her into the bottom, agghhh...the results were 2 major splits length wise down the board, (imagine an axe splitting a piece of wood), she filled up with water an nearly sank, but the buoyancy of the timber kept her afloat, not sure if i'll repair, easier to make a new 1 i think & hang the "Bogong" on the wall. Needless to say I am missing it, it went soooo good.
well I repaired the "bogong" and she's back in the water....I had too, she's a magic carpet & they don't come round often.
DeepCreekTV i found your video very useful in building my own board. would love to see another video. keep up the great work man.
ripper board John true craftsmen
Wow I love how you screwd it together. Great idea. The one I made a few years back I glued and cut it apart to chamber but had to allow the saw kerf to in the overall width so once it was cut it would be back at my dimensions. This was a huge hassle. I've been thinking of making another so thanks for the video got me inspired
Absolutely cool. great video!
The best I seen
Top notch Board!
nearly finished the board I started last winter, what a great project and has got me keen to do another out of some better wood. Would love to see a video of you actually shaping as all I could find was foam boards being done. I know same principles but the amount of time to do each step was greater. Cheers for the inspiration.
as you can appreciate making a board while also producing a video solo at the same time is massive amounts of work....maybe some time in the future.
no mate
Not an overload of info, appreciate it. There is a mob near me on the Mornington Peninsula, they are associated with Grain timber surfboards from the US..... Classes are very expensive, I've got the plans and rocker shapes, will have a crack myself.. If they bugger up, back to the shed...lol
great work
GREAT VIDEO !
so awesome!👍✌ I shape my own boards and build wooden kyacks but this is a little above my skill, man I want one! 👍✌🌞🌻
Fabulous job and outcome!
Well done! Cheers!
Awesome Vid!
man. your videos are awesome. seriously informative and entertaining. really creative ideas man! (video content and video making!)
+Pepe Kedor Thanks Pepe.
that board looks great, I'd hang it in my wall to nice to use, Ha!!!!!
Ahh that's awesome thanks for the help bro. Sick vid as well.
Shane, Polyester or epoxy clear filler, though epoxy bonds better than poly. Just brush it on just like paint, 2 coats, with epoxy do a second coat when first is tacky, this saves sanding between coats. Wet & dry sand then polish, personally I like the Oil finish, J.
Amazing
continue and make more videos!
Great video loved it
You see a cloud, i see a rainbow, we're both looking out the same window
Parabéns, excelente trabalho!
Thanks!
awesome mate
Hi Roby M, I used Paulownia with a western red ceder stringer, cheers John.
Hay que revelar los secretos dear!!!😉 Para poner en práctica su experiencia
Hey John great video mate, its Matt B from up the road. Couldnt believe when your face popped up haha been thinkking about making my own, might have to come have a look one day
+SLUSHPIT PRODUCTIONS no excuses Matt, get to it. ur welcome to drop in.
5kg with fins & boxes, strength wise much stronger than foam/fiberglass, it comes down to how thick u leave the chambers so the thicker the heavier, ( 6mm on bottom 8mm on deck seems about right) i did damage the deck on this board with impact from my knee but easily repaired with araldite or similar, weight can be an issue for some but I'm finding the extra weight gives u plenty of inertia, also you can paint 2 coats of resin (no cloth) then wet/dry & polish if u like, adds about 300gms
Please check my other video "Bogong surgery" for the latest developments on this board. ua-cam.com/video/EMS1307a5kg/v-deo.html
Man, I didn't know this could be so effective... got the tools, have the time, and thought of it using a table top router. I just see all of the wasted shavings and think I could laminate one and then never start. I'm glad to see someone who's done it and perfected it. My dad would have enjoyed making one of these boards too and he was strictly carpenter. He never surfed, but I bet this could have gotten him to try. He'd passed just a few months he was of age to retire a year ago and your craftsmanship remind me of some of the impossible things he could make in a day.
Thank you for sharing you board, I bet it tracks like a gun in bigger, head(+) range surf.
cheers mate, condolences.... yes it certainly surprised me when i first made one then rode it, they do have a different feel than glass/foam, not everyone's cup of tea but I'm loving the extra weight. The whole point of posting these vids is to get like minded like yourself to get in the shed & shape/carve one out. There's somethin' real satisfying about riding a nice wave on a board you made yourself.
hey !! so nice video , Im going show guys from brazil
F**king brilliant! One of the sexiest boards ive ever seen.
u use 1 rocker template firstly, then after cambering the board & before u
glue up u can take another 2 templates 1/3 the distance between the center
& rail, u then end up with 3 templates. This can reduce the amount of
timber & cost needed on next board. athough this can be restricting especially if u
want to change the shape to improve performance. I like to draw up a
outline shape on concrete first then do the maths using the rocker &
outline templates as guides, (hope this all makes sense).
Great vid
Very beautiful board! I want myself to do the same board! How to become your apprentice!))
Belo trabalho!... :)
nice one!!
very nice.
Good job
Ok thank you i will try ! stay in touch greetings
This is so exciting. I’m in the US, and found some pauwlonia at a local saw mill. I bought a bunch of it, as it was the only tree the sawyer had ever had. The most exciting board is 10’ x 2.5’ x 2”, with the pith running right down the center.
I’m wondering if I could use waterproof PVA glue, specifically Titebond III. any advice?
I have only used Titebond lll on wood wraps but I understand it does work well on chambered models, I usually use Polyurethane foaming glue.
You rock! I love all the quirky video edits you went out of you way to include. Any lessons learned on chambering? you showed some long chambers here, have you ever had one break? I'm building a balsa blank for a 5'11'' egg shape, this vid is super helpful. how did you seal this stick, resin or ? Last question (assuming you respond) what kind of glue did you use to put the strips together? I've heard you should use epoxy and not glue, i'd love to use glue if i could. Do you have a preference?
Thanks for the wrap.... this board was badly cracked earlier this year 8-( , got hammered on a serious wave, see earlier post below, but I feel any board would have been damaged/snapped had it been in the same position. i have shortened the chambers on a new board i'm working on & Im leaving a little bit more solid timber in nose area. I seal boards with wax & oils, & I use polyurethane foaming glue. One positive thing about trashing the board was discovering the glue held up & the actual timber split, just make sure you lightly wet the timber pre gluing, instructions are on bottle, but Im not sure how well it works on balsa? but i think it will be OK as you'll need to fiberglass if using balsa as its porous. Good luck..
Ok.thank you
Solid
this is so sick
Best no nonsense chambering technique I have seen. Thanks John! Check out my balsa Paipo board I shaped a couple months ago...
thanks.....yes very nice Paipo I love the fins, plug & inlay. nice work.
great video, do you think 2x6 douglass fir would work in place of paulownia or balsa? i'm in new york and resources are limited. keep up the good work m8
Thanks...I can't see why not, give it a go.....
bloody art
So good thanks!
John you need a profiler!
Very nice craftship there! Just have a few questions as I may have at this myself.
1) Do you find it necessary to have a vent system (in case of leakage) or do you think it could be done without?
2) Did you saw exact at the outline of the rocker template or leave a bit of space and trim/shape of later?
Greetings from Norway
Hi Marius, no I didn't vent this board, just keep it from getting too hot. Not sure how you go with very cold conditions. If the board leaks I find a small hole in opposite rails at the widest point, put board on side and let drain then repair the small holes.
2 - yes when I cut the rockers I cut them oversize. Cheers.
Board looks beautiful. Is there only one template to get the rocker for all the strips?
Nice video.... Could I make a chambered 9 footer out of pine or or would be too heavy? Cheers
+Juan Giesecke you can, not sure how heavy though.
Thank you very much for your answer but can't we chamber the board first and Then glue the parts together ?
There's no right or wrong way in any of this but with the aid of a CNC machine this may be possible. I reckon a method to do this by hand would be a very serious mathematical / construction challenge, too much for me to work out.
Thanks...how do you cut your outline shape without hitting screws?
nevermind....figured it out. duh.
Hello! amazing video! Which wood type did you use? Balsa or anyone else?
Thanks
Roby
Hey bud!
You inspired me to build my own board for kite surfing :) I'm a boat builder in the french alps!
For the fins, would leaving some meat where the you put the mounts? And could you make the wood thinner?
Thank you so much for you great videos! You're doing a awesome content!
Cheers from France :)
Hi
Yes leave some solid wood where you are planning to put fins.
You can go thinner but you will sacrifice strength... but if you were planning to glass it should be OK, I'm not sure I've never gone any thinner.
As it's a kite board I'd suggest you glass it with at least 6oz cloth but if you were thinking of a oil finish I'd leave it solid, no Chambers. I'm not a kite boarder but I'd assume there would be plenty of forces on the board.
Awesome video! But can you show more of how you put in your finboxes and the resine u use and how u do it?
Hi mate thanks for the feedback..... when I made this video 10 yrs ago I was using ProBox , I'm using Gearbox now. Here's part 2 of a 3 part series on how I put them in a wood wrap board. The technique is very much the same as I would for a chambered board. Hope this helps you 🙂
ua-cam.com/video/UuTDAvFIf0o/v-deo.html
That helps alot! Thank u!
very clever, thanks for sharing. I have looked through your posts but I cannot see any info regarding the foam you briefly show, my guess its the spray on plumbers/builders gap filling foam?
guysoceanharmonics interesting you have asked about that...it was something I tried but with minimal success, yes it was expandable foam but I only filled the center 4 chambers, the results were if I had filled it completely it would've made the board 500gms heavier, also its porous so any leaking problems would have made it harder to drain.
Great video. Really inspired me to have a go myself .Dont know weather I could get hold of such an exotic wood in South Wales.will have to explore alternatives.Any suggestions ?
Thanks....I'm not too sure, you need something light with a tight grain, what do they use for boat building , could be a good place to start.
sorry I meant to also ask you, the glue used along the stringer so you could brake it after you were finished shaping, was that just a PVA wood glue?
yes PVA glue, a small dot say every 8"/200mm.
Wow...your method is awesome. I've been carving and working wood for a while now and this is right up my alley. Been wanting to buy a short board but they are so damn expensive, so after seeing your video I've decided to make one using your techniques. Before i get started i have a question for u ...what type of wood do you find works best? Thanks!
stephen wilson ive been using Paulownia as you don't need to glass just oil, but you could use any light tight grained timber, cedar, balsa, poplar, etc... but best to glass if using those timbers.
Thanks for this video, I am just starting to build my blank now. Did you use polyurethane glue to assemble the chambered pieces or epoxy? I'm making a build video series as I make it, I'll be sure to link back to your video too.
Yes Andrew I used polyurethane foaming glue to reassemble the chambered peices. ✌️
How long does it take to get to the point just before you split it and chamber it?
Thanks :)
this is an inspiring video.
How long did this project take you? (including wait time for things to dry and glassing it)
tobias gilkes to build a chambered board depending on the tools you have is about 70hrs, obviously it gets quicker/easier the more boards you make. This project took longer as I filmed/produced each stage as I went.
thanks John,fantastic. what type of glue do you use on the final steps putting it all back together after chambering, and
I use polyurethane foaming glue although i have used epoxy glue before, i just find the epoxy tends to stain the timber & is a bit harder to sand. I have met other board builders who don't like polyurethane foaming glue as they feel its not strong enough & its not water tight but i haven't had any of these probs as yet.
Good Afternoon John,Great video. I have been wanting to build a wooden surfboard for some time, but didn't want to just buy a kit. Your video has given me a new direction. Thank you.After watching this video, I questioned the polyurethane glue being strong enough to hold the seams during extreme flexing or after a violent impact, without glassing being involved. After reading through the comments, I also found the video about having to repair it later.Given your experience with the process and the results, would you recommend leaving enough meat in the chambers to use fasteners (stainless screws / dowels) to add structural strength? I know it will add weight.I really like the look of oiled wood and would prefer to avoid glassing if possible.Thank you in advance for any advice you may give.
Hi Cliff, thanks for the feedback. I have found that the polyurethane glue is very effective because of the fact that when it did come to grief the joins did not fail, the actual timber split . Remembering too that the impact that it took I feel would have broken or damaged any board. The amount of meat you leave in the chambers is a fine balance, take too much its lighter but weaker, too little its heavier but stronger.....doweling with stainless could make it stronger but then the flex may cause issues, personally I wouldn't dowel. I like to make the ends of the chambers round not square as I feel this is stronger (as in architecture). Glassing you would think would be stronger (& heavier) but for me the whole wooden surfboard thing was to get away from petros, I really like my natural oil/wax finish it works exceptionally well, but.....that's the only thing I like to squirrel away as it took me a while to develop the mix.... tung oil works well but stay away from linseed I've found it promotes mold, cheers. PS in saying all that it's all about my experience with using Paulownia, on other timbers this may not be true.
Just a comment about what you said, "I like to make the ends of the chambers round not square as I feel this is stronger (as in architecture)."
Actually by rounding the ends of the chambers it creates a smoother transition for the stresses within the wood as it is flexing while surfing. If you didn't round the cut outs in the chambers I would bet that the stress concentrations would tend to create cracks and break at those points.
Beautiful board
Great video! I'm planning on building one similar myself in the future. I was just wondering, did you contour the bottom of the board? Like shape concaves or a vee in? cheers
Jodi, at 8.55 its just about to be oiled, is that what u mean, in its raw state? J.
W O W
Bem legal👏👏👏
Really liked your board! Could you please answer some newbie questions? I'm really looking forward to building my own board.
1 - What products do you apply in the end? Epoxy resin?
2 - Do you use fiberglass? When (in what cases) do you have to use it?
3 - What wood would you recommend? I don't have access to paulownia wood...
I am really trying to avoid using epoxy and fiberglass because they are really expensive where I live.
Thanks in advance!
Berna Dias I'm pretty sure iv'e answered these Q's in earlier posts....... i like too use wood oils lanolin mix as paulownia is water tolerant, if using other timbers such as balsa & ceder, etc best too use epoxy too seal You can glue up after chambering with epoxy or a good quality waterproof glue, I use polyurethane foaming glue (purbond) just make sure you get a good tight bond when glueing. Whatever light tight grained dressed timber you can find really. Lanoilin (sheeps wool fat ) is also a good alternative too epoxy for sealing, u just need to reapply as needed. Talk to wood/timber/boat building guys & look around in your area for alternative products, you never know what you may find. Have fun.
DeepCreekTV Thanks! Btw I am thinking about making a chambered longboard. Do you think fiberglass is needed to reinforce the structure?
Berna Dias no not really, glass will add strength but also weight, its up to you.
DeepCreekTV Great! Thank you for your attention!
Also how is it strength wise without the glass on it? Sorry I'm planning to do a chambered build but there's hardly any info on it.
Awesome build... I may give this a whirl. Did you use a vent?
Thanks...no vent, just keep it 🆒
Great video! Was just wondering what type of finish you used to seal the board at the end there. Keep up the good work
a mix of oils & wax.....but i have found tung oil works well, it just takes a long time to dry.
Fantastic video! Was wondering though about how many timbers you used for this board?
Thanks, I used 16. Check at about 4.00min, the outside ones are thinner so as to remove the maximum timber in chambering process. ✌️
Are those 2x6's? Been researching hollow wood boards for a while and have lofty dreams of turning into a (side?) career over the next 5-10 years as i learn and am stoked on coming across this chambered method. Probably heavier than the bead and cove/rib methods but having just bough my first home and being a broke ass !@#$, this is a great way to get started and learn to shape, etc. as well - already have the tools i need for this!
Awnex77 yes 2x6, & yes a little heavier than HWB, but remember....you will need more timber if chambering than a HWB. I agree with your comment "this is a great way to get started and learn to shape" & that's why I prefer the chambered method as you are shaping a board in the traditional way. I've just finished a new model "Cadaga" 6'x21" fish so I'm chomping at the bit to get in the water.... hope to post a clip soon.
Hi, thanks for the informative video and hello from Israel!
A quick question, what is the benefits of the stringer, if it is being chambered? Does it maintain the properties of a whole stringer?
Gday, the stringer is purely cosmetic, it was chambered during the process....✌🏼🙂
@@DeepCreekTV Thanks for the quick response! Indeed it came out nice 😁
Can't wait to start my own built.
Cheers 🤙🏽
Great Job, I would like to do one with my two kids during summer...just 1 question, I think I will try to find some Balsa (As I located in Portugal and don't believe I can purchase Paulownia wood...what should be the dimensions of the raw pieces of wood (I understood 2000mm long x ?? wide x ?? thick) Thanks
Benoit Giran thanks... I use 150mm X 40mm X the length of the board you would like, just remember if you need more rocker you may need 200mm wide or scarf/join a piece to accommodate nose rocker. You will need to glass balsa or varnish and that's all I know as I have never made a balsa model. Good luck 👍
Thanks
this is such a great video. thanks so much for posting. got a heap of wood and ive attacked it in a slightly different way. i used my rocker template to cut out the bits with a router. love your trick with the screws. i dont think i would have figured that out. what did you glue it together with? and what did you finish it with? does oil need maintenance after a while from being washed off?
cheers mate, I used aquadhere wood glue (pre chambering) to temporarily join the center. small dots about 3"inch / 75mm apart , polyurethane foaming glue to join post chambering. & yes you do need to maintain the oil coat a little, interestingly saltwater is slightly abrasive.
DeepCreekTV ν
GREAT.. DO YOU COVER WITH FIBERGLASS AND RESIN ALL OVER THE WOOD OR JUST LET THE SURFACE WOODEN?
Felipe, you can cover with fiberglass if you like but I like to use a tung oil & bee's wax mix.
Brilliant build!!! Finally a video that helps me make a board at home. Where can i get the templates?
Braydon Thanks...I made hard templates so not available to download sorry, but I'm sure you could find something.... "Blending Curves" maybe.
Do you put a vent plug on your boards? Have temperature changes ever "popped" one?
+Quinlan Fennell I have discussed this at length in an earlier post, no ive never popped one & yes I have used vents before but in my chambered models i don't. I fully understand the reasoning/theories behind the need to vent a hollow wood construction but a chambered is not under tension as a hollow wood is, ie. timber pulled into position with clamps then glued, add this to internal pressure build up from heat then yes you may need to vent. BUT I am careful not to leave my boards in hot situations & if I ever put a board on a plane then yes I would vent for the flight. Some builders I have met say they put the vent in just to be safe & that's fair enough although they are ugly little suckers...cheers.
Bogong, bloody brilliant. Great vid, great board and great surfing. Ballpark cost to produce one??
thanks, here in Aust. about $350 for Paulownia, plus cost of machining
timber, glues etc.
G'day, great looking board, just wondering where you got your timber from?
Cheers
Ive been milling timber so i'll have stock soon but u can source from mid & nth coast NSW or SE Qld, just google.
hey mate, awesome video! Just wanted to know quickly what glue you are using for that wood? thanks.
+Jessica Rugg cheers, polyurethane foaming glue