Supporting Anecdote: After I got out of the military, I took a job at a local gun store. One day a customer came in who wanted a shotgun for home defense, stated that he didn't know much about guns, but wanted to learn. I showed him several, including a Mossberg 500, Remington 870, and a few others. The problem was that no matter how I explained it, he couldn't quite fully comprehend the function of a pump-action; this includes dummy-round demonstrations. I was about ready to give up when a coworker suggested showing him a coach gun. After a few minutes of demonstrating with dummy rounds, he finally got it! I also explained that he needed to go to the range and practice. He got that too. I then tried to explain different types of ammo. Both of his cylinders were firing full-throttle, and with many pictures and descriptions, he finally got that as well. The bottom line is this: "A coach gun you understand, can afford, and can practice with is far better than a gau-19 that you can't understand, afford, or practice with."adf
@Phil McCrevice right!?! I mean even if you don't understand the internal mechanisms, at least understand the handling and usage. Plenty of people know jack squat about autos and can still drive.
I am not entirely sure I would feel confident selling someone a gun that could not understand the basics of a pump action. My ex wife is not very mechanically inclined and didn't like guns but manged to pick up how to operate a semi auto handgun and a pump shotgun fairly quickly. She wasn't going break one down and clean it, but she could load and fire it.
@@biteme263 Maybe, but this guy wasn't your wife, (unless there's more to the story I don't know about! JK) That's why I didn't try to sell him the pump. The point was that the coach gun WAS within his mental capacity, and any gun you CAN operate is better than no gun.
Not 2 minutes in and I remember my old firearms instructor who said it best. “Doesn’t matter what kind of gun it is. All that matters are two things kid... that it functions and you can hit your target, everything else is extra!”
@Kjs i did it for the first six months of college because I couldn't afford anything and the 22 was my only gun I owned at the time. Worked good and it scared off a person when they broke in. Got a shotgun the day after but a 22 single shot is better then a stick
@Kjs true very true i everyone would choice something better the first chance they would get i upgraded from a single shot 22 to a 3 shot bolt action 12 gauge that had a banana peeled barrel so I payed 49 bucks for it at a sketch pawn shop another 10 for a mixed box of 20 12 gauge rounds different sized bird shot and one buckshot load that came with it. Went to ace got a file and hack saw and cut the ruined barrel down to 20 inches a good 6 inches bellow where it peeled. It was ugly and not very good but that shotgun and 22 are still in the safe years later because I dont have the haret to get rid of them they took care of me when I need it
Paul continues to provide sound advice that is well demonstrated and is practical. I'm impressed that he did discuss and illustrate the problem of self-defense versus risk to others. Criminal or civil litigation may follow when you have an over penetration situation. Paul addressed that head on in a responsible way. We can honor his legacy by paying attention and heeding his advice. Thank you Paul for everything.
@@johnf817 I dunno, I enjoyed it enough that I watched it twice... if someone else missed it but read it here and then they enjoyed it then it's well worth it
How can a double-barrel shotgun be effective without a picatinny rail, side saddle, light, laser, bayonet, single point sling, pistol grip, night sights, RMR, adjustable stock, vertical fore-grip, heat shield, bipod, and cerakote?
I’m 71, dad was in law enforcement from 1935-1970 (with 4 years off to tour with the US Navy in WW2). In the last minute Paul got to dads favorite assessment of the double barrel coach gun. He said like the battleship the double barrel was outdated technology, but like a 16” navel gun the double barrel was on heck of a visual deterrent. Another great vid!
In my almost 20yrs practice of Advanced Trauma Life Support I have found that the only time multiple shotgun rounds were required at close range to stop an assailant is if the person shooting somehow misses his first shot or there are multiple asailents. One shotgun impact is usually all that's required. Nice presentation as usual Paul.
@@tommykirk3403 lots of people have been killed with stones, arrows, knives, hammers, 2" of standing water, poop, neck ties, shivs, .22lr, etc... sufficient does not mean preferable. shotguns are not the best home defense option for people with kids or people with people living in multiple rooms or with people with long distances in their homes. then consider the round capacity is very limited and slow to reload in common shotguns that dont have detachable mags. also, those conventional shotguns don't have the best options for mounting lights and optics. in addition, a pump shotgun cannot be conveniently operated one handed, so a person trying to manage another person (baby, kid, old person, someone hurt, someone going nuts, etc.), a dog, phone, totino's pizza rolls, etc., is going to have a harder time than with another type of gun. perhaps that may explain the 'hate'. not saying it's an end all be all, but those are some of the logical reasons behind not preferring it.
We figure our 12 gauge coach gun makes us the equal in firepower to anyone for 2 shots...and we figure the 2nd shouldn't be needed in about 99% of situations...a .38 backs it up, and we sleep well at night...those that would argue what if this, what if that, will not be satisfied sleeping in an Abrams tank...
The cool thing about your videos is its about one third fact, one third experience and one third wisdom. Thanks for awesome content and informative videos!
I think Paul is probably doing very well on UA-cam, because if most of you are anything like me, you will watch the entirety of the video because they are so interesting and easy to watch, like a breath of fresh air.
Your channels pretty good too. I like your water target over the meat target, just because it's easier to understand what it takes to destroy a water jug, since I've never made a meat target. If you want to spend $600-$700 you could order a mechtech carbine conversion unit. They make them for glocks, 1911s and springfield xd's. I thoroughly enjoy mine in 45acp for my 1911, I just dont have the time to go out and set up a water target to see the difference in power.
I just posted the same thing. It would take a special kinda bad guy to charge towards a flamethrower. Not many people are that committed over the theft of an old VCR.
The fabled Super Shotgun is viable for even for some of the most horrific and evil demons, and works just as well on more conventional two-legged threats.
Greetings from Russia! When my friend was thinking about weapon for his old parents (who are not into guns) living in remote countryside, he chosed a double barelled shotgun with external hammers. There was a few simple ideas: 1) it must as simple as possible to maintain and operate it; 2) it must be always ready to fire and still comparisonly safe. For most REALISTIC threats capacity won`t be that big deal. Nice "farmer`s gun" also good for hunting, by the way.
A lot of people don't get that. Simple, cheap, easy to care for, and reliable, that have multi-roles, is better than spending thousands on an assortment of guns and then sifting through them for the best for the job. I'm on a farm and have a single shot 20ga, IC i use for defense, goose, ducks, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, dove, and deer. $240 and the best i ever owned.
Agree mate, keep it simple, db hammer, safe to keep loaded , proberly the last gun to break and easily fixed , Maintenence free , a bit of dirt or mud won’t stop it and pretty cheap. Cheers from Australia
@@ts89540 Hell yeah I agree 100%. These double barrels can hunt anything. You can use drop in conversions to switch between any caliber or even blackpowder. If you're good you can reload it in an emergency not that you would need to. Most people don't realize statistically 70% of the time simply a warning shot is enough and if you get hit by a slug from one of these its over so two shots is plenty. I love that you can get these for cheap by assembling old parts or part kits, and they're even double barrel muzzle loaders. Nothing more versatile, reliable, cheap, and easy to get... I see them used for $200 all the time and you can get them for even cheaper by putting one together or fixing up an old one.
Simplicity is a huge virtue when hands are shaking...my missus long before we married had a bad guy try to break into her house...she couldn't find her .38, and tried to load an old Ithaca 49r, spilling the rounds all over the place...luckily, the bad guy eventually left, but the memory has stayed with her...we keep our Stoeger loaded, along with a couple revolvers...for our home location that should be plenty...if more than one bad guy, watching the first one get blown up will stop, and in all likelihood, have the others trying to run through the walls to get away...also, firing the first shell, the bad guys will have zero clue just what kind of gun they're facing, just that it smoked their friend and there probably a round waiting for them, and the next guy, and the next guy...
Hey dude, just wanted to say that most Americans see through all thus leftist Russian propaganda….we know what awesome people Russians are…God bless you and your family man
Thank you, Paul, for all you've done for us. Not just the videos. But also, your life of service to our country. I hope your family knows that you were a great inspiration in a world that needs more men like you. You'll be missed.
You hit all the reasons I use the Stoeger coach gun with the 20inch barrel for home defense. Personally, I think the size difference matters a lot toward this end. Those few inches are that much easier to wield around the corners of your home. My wife and kids know how to very easily use it, and they don't have to be great shots to get the job done. I have other guns that I can access quickly, but the all around simplicity just can't be beaten as a household defense gun. Every home that can afford one should have one.
Great video Paul. Personal anecdote for you, in the 80's, mostly due to economic factors, I knew several people who acquired single barrel breakopen shotguns for home defense. For the type of real world situations you allude to, these did a fine job of defending their owners.
We had a Cowboy Action Shooter in our SASS club that taught technique to and competed against top law enforcement in benefit shoots for charity. He routinely beat pump shotguns holding 6 rounds in both speed and a clean shoot. (Side note, this was a hammer style double barrel! He accomplished the same with a single action 2 revolver match against a semi holding 10 rounds and the lever action rifle). Now granted he had hundreds of not thousands of hours of practice but it is possible. Great vid!
@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808 double barrel can fire around 20 rds per minute while pump can fire around 15 rds per minute, granted there is some more delay between shots.
I grew up with a double barrel coach gun. My dad taught me when I was very little around 7 or 8 to get use to having two rounds in the gun and holding two more rounds between my fingers in the hand that holds the fore grip ready for a fast reload. Worked pretty good when needing follow up shots during rabbit hunting. I think it would do as well hunting bad guys..lol
"Looks pretty effective to me," he says deadpan. Hilarious! Great videos full of information, humor, and insight. The well considered, balanced approach in all of your videos is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
THANK YOU! You've given strength to my existing belief. I want the quietly loading double barrel 20 Gauge that everyone in the house can operate with minimal training/re-training.
45 ROB And that was horrible advice wasn't it? I can't believe he got away with saying that. Imagine if the "bad guy in the woods" was actually an officer of the law! That could make the next couple of decades rough. Knowest thine target before though pullest thine trigger.
@MAGIC CLAW! LOL, he did say it was for doubles only, not semi-autos and pumps. Idea is to give you the hit of a slug and the protection of over penetration of Birdshot. Personally just use 4-8 shot out of a 12 gauge and don't worry about it, but hey in an apartment, it could be useful if you have a double.
@@mcsupersport Yeah, It's NOT for any action that manipulates the shell. Single shot or Doubles ONLY. so OBVIUSLY "manual loaded". They do "work" though!
Dana H. - "cut shells" came about as a Great Depression era expedient. My dad showed me how, but told me that it was only for "emergencies". Its not a perfect substitute for slugs, but it does do functional duty for them. Disadvantages are loss of hull for reloading, and slightly higher pressures because the hull itself is now going down the barrel also and not just the shot. Wax "slugs" are a much better approach if done correctly. The shot is poured into melted wax, and then carefully put back into the shell. Doesn't work if you just pour wax on top of the shot - wax hardens and only the top few pellets are contained. Disadvantages are that range is a bit less than cut shells or actual slugs (if your gun behaves the same as Paul's could be a lot more), but on target effect is the same, and you still have a hull you can reload, and the pressures are the same as regular shells. Of course, you can also melt the shot into a round ball mold and put the "pumpkin ball" back into the shell - that works too.
That's not a particularly big one …. I think my uncles biggest was … 13stone 3? (185?). On her back legs she must have been around 7 feet. Towered over 6 foot men. Nice dog, though.
One thing Paul didn't touch on, but is extremely relevant in 2021, is ammo choice. A break open shotgun can shoot anything from mini shells to 3 inch shells (depending on the length of your chamber) . Semi autos are notorious for being ammo sensitive. Even pumps can be picky about shell selection at times. When all you can find on the LGS shelf is a box of mini shells, some 2 1/2 inch Nobel buckshot, or some Remington reduced recoil being able to shoot them in your double barrel is a plus. The first two turn your pump or semi into single shots and the reduced recoil makes your semi into a bolt gun.
Four qualities of a firearm,...... Reliable, Durable, Safe, Reasonably Priced. (Tacticool, fancy, latest and greatest not included). A firearm need not be expensive to be persuasive.
I fail to see how taping a serated knife to the end of my double barrel makes it less of those things, or makes it more expensive ;D Tacticool need not break the bank ;D
You forgot reasonably easy to use. A 12ga shotgun is a great weapon, unless your girlfriend is F'n terrified of it. If she's totally comfortable with a 10-22, then that is a better weapon for her. Just my opinion.
John Doe dude if you're worried what kind of weapon your woman is afraid of firing then that's the only one you want cuz 20 shots to your head with a 10/22 is still the same thing your dead you dig yeah good luck with that God bless
My, how time has passed! I was super excited the day this video was released because Paul pretty much read my mind. I had really been wanting a double barrel shotgun, but finding one seemed so far out of reach. Now I've got a beautiful old Stevens 311 that I reburbished myself mounted on my wall and couldn't be happier! Oh, and the awesome sound of those guns at 03:06 was a big factor in my decision!
I have owned a 311 that was cut off to 18.25 "s for about 20 yr.s. ; it is my camping / hiking gun. Here in W. Montana there are a lot of critters that can scratch bite and claw ! I use the two choices for ammo on most outings . #4 buck is my favorite with either a slug or dose of 00 .
Thanks for the nod to restrictive gun laws in Ireland Paul. I'm Irish and have inherited an under over. I also have a colt .22 semi auto handgun. Just to point out neither of these are for " self defence" as you cannot get a licence citing this as a reason. 9mm was severely restricted after 2008, at the behest of those benevolent politicians you mentioned. Obviously for own safety. Once while out jogging I had a neighbour's Irish Wolfhound snap at my heels and I can say I was relieved when his owner called him off !!! Love the channel thanks
Always a treat to watch a gun video by someone who is coherent and actually thinks things through. Paul isn't the only one, but they are few and far between.
I grew up shooting a 12 guage,two trigger double. I'm very confident and comfortable with it. While it may hold less rounds,it is quicker to reload and has outstanding balance and handling.
That's because a new generation has been introduced to firearms and the idea that they aren't some big, scary mystery boogeyman lurking around every corner just waiting to kill you and your entire family. Thanks to the internet, freedom of speech, and responsible gun owners, kids and younger adults are learning that firearms are just tools, and like all tools they can be put to good or bad use, but banning and demonizing them only keeps them out of the hands of people with the best of intentions and creates a black market for those who don't care about laws. Some people don't like the NRA, but they do help spread awareness and information about firearms and shooting sports, and a well-informed and educated voting public is one that will fight for justice and liberty, rather than being scared reactionaries who believe any lies they're told because they have no way of discerning the truth for themselves. The anti-gun crowd largely lives in the shadow of fear and doubt, with many of them being woefully ignorant about firearms, current gun laws and ownership and all that entails.
Wade French Indeed. My favourite example is the Lahti L-39. It's a WWII 20mm anti-tank rifle with a muzzle energy comparable to about three of a Nitro Express round of similar caliber. It is also illegal in Canada. Why, you might ask? Because it is a gas-operated semi-automatic long gun with a 10 round magazine. Because that's the important part: 'high' capacity semi automatic. Not it weighing nearly 120 pounds, not it being nearly seven feet long, not its wide profile bipod with attached skis. No, it's a dangerous assault weapon because it holds too many rounds and you can shoot it fast.
I didn't read through all of the comments so I'll apologize in advance for any redundancy, but, one of the advantages of the double is that you can break it down in to two shorter pieces for easier transport or concealment if necessary. Mine has interchangeable chokes, so that's often an advantage in hunting, yeah I know, not purely a 'home defense' issue but for folks on a budget, versatility is a plus and those short barrels make it a handy little grouse gun. About rapid reloads, Clint Smith does it by having rounds on a shell carrier on the stock and much like you did he tosses the empties over his shoulder, and like you, not super fast but effective. If you let go a couple of rounds down a hallway, folks are not going to be quite so anxious to head down toward you. Oh, I had a thought about slugs, some folks got to think about bears around their place as well as two legged varmints. Thanks for the videos, good info, well thought out.
Id feel pretty safe with a double, and the short length really matters in an indoor situation. I cant even visualize a double without the image of Uncle Jesse from the Dukes Of Hazzard glaring at me over the muzzle. The ultimate old codger's "git off my land" persuader. IMO its almost axiomatic that if you are wielding a double you are defending, and not the aggressor.
i will always refer to these videos for my firearms needs, no matter how old they are or how many times i've seen them. thank you for your years of service, paul
Best channel of its kind on YT in my humble opinion. . Respect to Paul. He knows what he is talking about. Btw ..I'm Irish ,most of the firearms shown here I can never own ... As you say in the U.S " that really sucks ! " and indeed it does.
Great video, I like how you stress the effectiveness of some of the more simple firearms. I'm surprised you didn't mention the reliability factor of having a double barrel, pretty much as reliable as the ammo is. Keep up the good work
Yep, Barry was a great guy, I really miss him and his wisdom. While Eric has a different "style", I still enjoy the IRQ8888 videos. BTW: anyone else recall Barry and Eric's monster self-destruct test on the lowly Hi-Point JHP .45ACP ? Got a big kick out of that.
double barrel coach gun is one of my favorite.i have a stoeger double defence 18 inch barrel and a lower rail for lights or laser... if there is only one guy thats all is needed. or two... no prob and no pumping in between.. if its an army coming then of course it might not be the first choice... but its rare that a whole gang will come after you like we see on tv. thats my opinion.
Racking the slide ain't no deterrent....starring down the barrels of a side by side may be a little more effective but firing a shotgun (or indeed any gun) in an enclosed space sure as sh*t IS a deterrent....So if the whole gang do turn up I don't think they will be hanging around for milk & cookies.
sgt. Nickel And, if a whole gang DID come after you, they would be stupid to stay around long enough for you to reload. More than likely they would egress at a much higher rate than their ingress!
That's if they can see you have a double barrel or register that fact in that moment of panic.....as I said in another comment replying to sgt Nickel (below).......it has been noted in bank robberies that when someone is threatening you with a gun or indeed firing one no one is checking out the type,make or caliber of the weapon.....they have other concern's.....so even a bank teller who has had some fire arms training or a Police Officer who is taking fire may not be able to say if it was a pistol or a revolver, a double or a pump, an AK or an AR. Fear & Adrenalin are great for confusing detail (listen to Police radio traffic when they are reporting in from a scene ) & quite frankly all the arguments about caliber effectiveness go out the window if your being threatened or shot at you couldn't give a rats ass if it's a 22 or a 7.62 .....THEY CAN BOTH PUT A CRIMP IN YOUR DAY !!!!
sgt. Nickel I jut bought myself a stoeger coach gun with 20 inch barrels and I have fallen in love with it. I love target practicing with it. I'll shoot birdshot at a clay pigeon with one barrel and then transition to a watermelon with the other barrel loaded with a slug or buckshot. I have a compression shell holster on the stock and can reload it surprisingly fast with several different pre planned load outs that I can pull out 2 at a time depending on the situation
I’d add the double is very reliable with less moving parts compared to other designs. Similar to a bolt-action compared to a semi-auto or lever-actions. Enjoyable video.
I'd like to see you do a comparison video between a side by side and an over/under shotgun in terms of how they would function for hunting and home defense. Your shotgun videos are my favorite!
LOL, here in Ireland we do have strict gun laws, but we can have better than a double barrel shotgun. Nevertheless, love the videos. Also, we don't have very many of those dogs anymore. Subbed!
Yep. One of those situations where there are gang shootings every few weeks and yet for some reason you're not supposed to notice that handguns being illegal doesn't seem to prevent criminals, and only criminals, owning handguns. As though a criminal would buy a gun legally for some bizarre reason that only politicians, journalists and pearl-clutchers seem to know.
Laws do not prevent lawlessness .......they make are there to make sure it's punished & taken off the streets (doesn't always work but it's a work in progress). If their are no laws against murder the Police would be powerless to do anything about it......".Someone just killed my husband"........Police ;"What do you want us to do about it?.There no law against that!!!". We've had this situation before where their were no laws & people took the law into their own hands which resulted an awful lot of innocent people being killed in vendetta's & revenge killings.This is still the case in some parts of the world....that"s what history tells us.....forget it at your peril.
Paul Harrel - the way you watched that second 2 liter land at 3:12. 😂😂😂 “looks pretty effective to me”. Cracks me up over and over. I know it probably wasn’t supposed to be funny but it gets me every time
A suggestion: A sidesaddle MAY aid in speeding up the reloading process in shotguns (insert shells w/brass side down). I'm what you call a NON-professional shooter, lol, ('experienced' in the the military but that's all). Many respects to you and your videos. GREAT information, thank you, Mr. Harrell!
I find Mr. Harrells videos practical, and I so appreciate the common sense approach to posed questions. I also appreciate sarcasm. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Please do not shoot cut shells through anything tighter than a cylinder bore -that is if you must at all. The shell body is wider than the bore by a critical amount and often causes extreme pressure spikes. It may not explode, but it certainly can and they have. Personally, I am not comfortable holding my hands right against a barrel that is being overpressured beyond safe maximums.
Not a proponent of cut shells, but If a metal rifled slug that very tightly fits the inside of the bore can suage through a full choke without any issue, a plastic hull full of BBs is not going to cause a problem. That's frankly ridiculous.
@@cameronnorton5898 A slug is noticeably narrower than the shell diameter. And when under pressure from the wad and propellant, the cut shell doesn't compress much at all. But more than the shell width, the gas shockwaves caused by deceleration of the projectile, cause sharp pressure spikes. Rifle barrels suffer similar fates if there are bore obstructions; the pressure spikes and causes a rupture in severe instances. It's the same reason that one shouldn't shoot 3 1/2" shells in a 3" chamber. The bore restriction and resulting pressure spike can blow out the cartridge base, or rupture the cast steel barrel. Same thing for steel shot; it is famous for bulging and splitting old shotgun barrels with tight chokes, because the increased gas pressure, velocity, and effective incompressibility of the shot load. It's not ridiculous, it's a very real cause of damage that gunsmiths deal with regularly.
@@codymoncrief8478 Slugs are a smaller diameter than the bore until they are fired. At the time of firing, the slug obtuates and the hollow design makes it expand very very tightly against the bore. If it werent for this feature there would be no gas seal, and expanding gasses would pass around the slug and it wouldn't build proper pressure or be at all accurate. You would know all this if you had studied ballistics at all, since the first conical bullets known as Minié balls worked this exact same way. It's obvious you don't know as much as you are pretending to, you're wrong about the cut shell thing and that's simply a fact that cannot be debated. You're on here spreading misinformation. No one is going to blow up thier shotgun trying out cut shells. If a solid chunk of metal that is being actively expanded against the inside of the bore with immense pressure can pass though a choke, so can a soft plastic hull full of BBs. I'll concede maybe cut shells with steel shot aren't a good idea since the steel won't deform or displace as much.
@@cameronnorton5898 Good sir, I went to college and got a degree in this specific field. Safe to say, "I have studied ballistics." I have studied for years about ballistics, and firearm engineering as a whole. I've also repaired plenty enough shotguns and rifles that had bulged and burst barrels due to overpressure and obstruction situations. You could attempt to present some impirical data instead of talking smack and making personal jabs. The conical gas seal design on a rifled slug or a minie ball is not at all comparable to the solid mass of a cut shell. The issue is, again, gas pressure and overall diameter. The cut shell is the width of the chamber, an expanded rifled slug is the width of the bore. The shotgun chamber is usually .050" over the actual cylinder bore diameter. A 10ga slug, fired through a 12ga barrel would not even be compressed in diameter as much as a cut 12ga shell. (A 10 ga slug is actually a bit narrower than a 12ga cut shell) Note that a full choke is only an average .030" reduction, as opposed to the cut shell being compressed .050 by the forcing cone, then another .030 in the case of a full choke, for a total of .080". That is more than twice the compression that a slug would experience, not to mention the fact that the slug is specifically designed to conform to cope with varying bore diameters. Cut shells increase both the secondary and tertiary pressure spikes during the firing process. Firearms already operate at extreme pressures, and increasing them past levels that they are intended for is dangerous. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Show me a shotgun manufacturer that condones firing cut shells at all, let alone through a choked barrel, and I will withdraw my statement.
Love this UA-camr. My Father was a lifelong 'double gunner'. His gun of choice for hunting purposes was an Ithaca LeFever 12ga. double with 26" Imp./Mod bbls. The gun was probably built in the 30's and had too much stock drop for my liking; I went with and still have an Ithaca/SKB 100 in 12 ga. Anyway, to the point of slow reloading speed with the double, Dad would often carry two follow up rounds between the fingers of his weak hand, and he could fire two rounds, reload and fire two more pretty fast. With a little practice, that's four powerful rounds in pretty quick succession. And let's not forget the pucker factor of a crook staring down those two big dark barrels wielded by a home owner standing there in his skivvies recently awakened and pissed off.
It occurs to me that even though doubles are slower to reload, they may be quicker to load in the first place. If you keep your gun unloaded (b/c of kids, or whatever), you could be out of bed, pop in two shells, and out into the hall in seconds. Whereas with the pump, it might take a half minute to load the magazine.
Hi. I disagree for two reasons: one, you don't have to load more than two shells into a pump shotgun if you don't want to. Second, most pump action shotguns can be loaded without opening anything at all; you simply have to stick shells into the loading gate, then pump the slide. All things considered, if you were to load only two shells into either type of shotgun, then the difference in time will be due to how much practice you have.
The coach gun breaks down into two very short pieces which can fit in most backpacks, or a suitcase so they are also good that way. An elastic shell holder on the stock can really speed up loading time as well since you can orient them for easy grabbing. I like the old style with exposed hammers, it is easier to know which barrel will fire. My newer one with concealed hammers only has one trigger so you have to really know the gun to know which barrel is up next. Then for defending the melon patch I have the very old double with 30" barrels. It can reach waaaaay out there.
"Check with your solicitor before making cut shells". On a side note, I was charged once with solicitation. I assure you that it was a complete misunderstanding despite what the undercover police woman said.
Just want to say thanks for mentioning Ireland, You have perfectly described the situation in my country. Although you are not allowed to own a firearm here for self defence, I wanted to see if it was possible to use the firearms that are possible to get a hold of in my country to defend myself and family in the unlikely event. THANKS
Your right that you can only hold firearms for sporting reasons here in Ireland, however of course you can have semi auto and pump action shotguns, you can have semi auto rimefire rifles, centre fire rifles are usually bolt action, but may also be lever action or pump action, you can also get a pistol license if you join a club, but you can't carry them around with you.
Hi Paul - A good friend of mine, the late Jimmy Cirillo, served for quite a while on what was called the “SOU” of the NYPD. They originally used 00 Buck, but later switched to the 12 ga rifled slug. The decision was primarily to prevent stray buck shot pellets from hitting other than the intended target. Interestingly the Foster slug’s nose slows down upon impact and the skirt keeps moving forward causing the recovered slug to look like a large lead washer which decelerates very rapidly.
The longest distance at my home would be 10 yards or 30 feet for home defense under normal circumstances. But probably more like 3 or 4 yards. So the length of the shotgun matters a lot!
Yeah...I measured 12-15 feet if the wife hears that bump in the night...we take the stoeger 12 gauge to the range every time we go-trapshot is affordable and still findable...she knows the 00 buckshot at the house will stop the craziest bad guy at that range...her drill is push safety,aim center mass...heck,at 12 feet the trap shot would seriously mess some one up...
Double barrels are great. As a well known military expert once said: "All you gotta do is fire two blasts through the front door! Go on the porch and fire 2 blasts in the air!"
Thanks Paul. Very didactic video as usual. In Europe (in my case France) Rubber slugs or rubber pellets are very popular, easy to source in caliber 12 and 16, and generally tolerated by law in Self defense since their use testify about concern of the user not to cause lethal damages ; they are non lethal at medium distance (7 to 10 m) but very painful; deadly at very short distance . This is what I use. If reloading is impossible it can become an excellent baton / truncheon. Side by Side shotgun are no longer popular versus Over/under shotgun, which makes them very cheap to buy and shorten barrels down to 45 cm (18" , less being not legal in France) . All hunters or licensed shooters can buy one. The older versions shooting black powder only are free for every citizen over 18.
That's the truth! Story time; in an actual home defense the gentleman in question said, they talk about the home invasion but not about the mess afterwards. He used a shotgun and said he was cleaning up lung, heart and bodily fluids from his floor, walls and ceiling for a good while. So I guess one shotgun blast was more then enough to get that home invasion stopped.
I love to put your stuff on and just let it be going in the background, because even if you cant pay 100 percent attention, just the amount of good things you hear,just here and there is still exceptional!!! Thabk you sir! You are missed! RIP😢
I’m revisiting some of Paul’s classics (at least for me.) This was one of them.
As well sir.
Me too.
Same. May he rest in peace.
One of the most underrated UA-camr
Well, lets see to it that his ratings soar. He certainly deserves it!!!
Paul and hickok are the best imo
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Yes! This man should be a general !
@@Prairie7777 well it seems to be taking off!!!
Supporting Anecdote:
After I got out of the military, I took a job at a local gun store. One day a customer came in who wanted a shotgun for home defense, stated that he didn't know much about guns, but wanted to learn. I showed him several, including a Mossberg 500, Remington 870, and a few others. The problem was that no matter how I explained it, he couldn't quite fully comprehend the function of a pump-action; this includes dummy-round demonstrations. I was about ready to give up when a coworker suggested showing him a coach gun. After a few minutes of demonstrating with dummy rounds, he finally got it!
I also explained that he needed to go to the range and practice. He got that too. I then tried to explain different types of ammo. Both of his cylinders were firing full-throttle, and with many pictures and descriptions, he finally got that as well.
The bottom line is this: "A coach gun you understand, can afford, and can practice with is far better than a gau-19 that you can't understand, afford, or practice with."adf
If hes that slow he'll shoot himself
@Phil McCrevice hillary voters
@Phil McCrevice right!?! I mean even if you don't understand the internal mechanisms, at least understand the handling and usage. Plenty of people know jack squat about autos and can still drive.
I am not entirely sure I would feel confident selling someone a gun that could not understand the basics of a pump action. My ex wife is not very mechanically inclined and didn't like guns but manged to pick up how to operate a semi auto handgun and a pump shotgun fairly quickly. She wasn't going break one down and clean it, but she could load and fire it.
@@biteme263 Maybe, but this guy wasn't your wife, (unless there's more to the story I don't know about! JK) That's why I didn't try to sell him the pump. The point was that the coach gun WAS within his mental capacity, and any gun you CAN operate is better than no gun.
Not 2 minutes in and I remember my old firearms instructor who said it best. “Doesn’t matter what kind of gun it is. All that matters are two things kid... that it functions and you can hit your target, everything else is extra!”
@Kjs i did it for the first six months of college because I couldn't afford anything and the 22 was my only gun I owned at the time. Worked good and it scared off a person when they broke in. Got a shotgun the day after but a 22 single shot is better then a stick
@Kjs true very true i everyone would choice something better the first chance they would get i upgraded from a single shot 22 to a 3 shot bolt action 12 gauge that had a banana peeled barrel so I payed 49 bucks for it at a sketch pawn shop another 10 for a mixed box of 20 12 gauge rounds different sized bird shot and one buckshot load that came with it. Went to ace got a file and hack saw and cut the ruined barrel down to 20 inches a good 6 inches bellow where it peeled. It was ugly and not very good but that shotgun and 22 are still in the safe years later because I dont have the haret to get rid of them they took care of me when I need it
@@kjs3689the questions are, does it function and are you accurate? I have to agree with the instructor.
@@Brennan_the_smithI would love to see that shotgun, it sounds badass.
Paul continues to provide sound advice that is well demonstrated and is practical. I'm impressed that he did discuss and illustrate the problem of self-defense versus risk to others. Criminal or civil litigation may follow when you have an over penetration situation. Paul addressed that head on in a responsible way. We can honor his legacy by paying attention and heeding his advice.
Thank you Paul for everything.
Wise and altruistic politicians. You should take that show on the road, funny man.
i love the face he made after saying it too. haha
Why do peeople ALWAYS point out sarcasm? We all got it
@@johnf817 I dunno, I enjoyed it enough that I watched it twice... if someone else missed it but read it here and then they enjoyed it then it's well worth it
Jiclf Sun Probably to compliment them on sarcasm done well. I assume that was the intent this time.
Gun owners are often in minority. And if politicians know one thing, it's that bullying minorities sells!
How can a double-barrel shotgun be effective without a picatinny rail, side saddle, light, laser, bayonet, single point sling, pistol grip, night sights, RMR, adjustable stock, vertical fore-grip, heat shield, bipod, and cerakote?
you forgot the suppressor
And forgot a bump fire stock
You sound like Joe Dirt talkin to kickin wing about Fire works lol.
The big question....does it take Glock mags??
Imma make a joke does it take nerfdarts?
"short little T-rex arms.." LOL. First time I've heard the cameraman laugh!
I suspect the lady with the T-rex arms might have been operating the camera ;)
I’m 71, dad was in law enforcement from 1935-1970 (with 4 years off to tour with the US Navy in WW2). In the last minute Paul got to dads favorite assessment of the double barrel coach gun. He said like the battleship the double barrel was outdated technology, but like a 16” navel gun the double barrel was on heck of a visual deterrent. Another great vid!
Paul is correct, no one wants to look at the business end of a double...even .410 looks like a 4 gauge from the wrong direction...
That's what I like about Paul's videos... you can take them to the bank!
@@PetuniaIii-pd1ww no sane person would lol at a 410 pointed at them
@@famalam943 Wasn't a 410 one of the guns Charles Starkweather used during his murder spree? I'd say you're right!
In my almost 20yrs practice of Advanced Trauma Life Support I have found that the only time multiple shotgun rounds were required at close range to stop an assailant is if the person shooting somehow misses his first shot or there are multiple asailents. One shotgun impact is usually all that's required. Nice presentation as usual Paul.
This is the sole reason I use a 12 Ga for home defense. They are completely devastating.
@@tommykirk3403 lots of people have been killed with stones, arrows, knives, hammers, 2" of standing water, poop, neck ties, shivs, .22lr, etc... sufficient does not mean preferable. shotguns are not the best home defense option for people with kids or people with people living in multiple rooms or with people with long distances in their homes. then consider the round capacity is very limited and slow to reload in common shotguns that dont have detachable mags. also, those conventional shotguns don't have the best options for mounting lights and optics. in addition, a pump shotgun cannot be conveniently operated one handed, so a person trying to manage another person (baby, kid, old person, someone hurt, someone going nuts, etc.), a dog, phone, totino's pizza rolls, etc., is going to have a harder time than with another type of gun. perhaps that may explain the 'hate'. not saying it's an end all be all, but those are some of the logical reasons behind not preferring it.
@@bjornegan6421 Bird shot.
@@nicholaslittlefield4424 bicycle
We figure our 12 gauge coach gun makes us the equal in firepower to anyone for 2 shots...and we figure the 2nd shouldn't be needed in about 99% of situations...a .38 backs it up, and we sleep well at night...those that would argue what if this, what if that, will not be satisfied sleeping in an Abrams tank...
The cool thing about your videos is its about one third fact, one third experience and one third wisdom. Thanks for awesome content and informative videos!
AMEN AND AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!
I say 1/4th really... Everyone stated as part of it, but add also the classy dry humor ;)
say word
Sam 1/3 sarcasm!!
and 0/3 tacticool bs.
I think Paul is probably doing very well on UA-cam, because if most of you are anything like me, you will watch the entirety of the video because they are so interesting and easy to watch, like a breath of fresh air.
You nailed it.
It's like listening to a learned elder.
Actually, that's precisely what it is.
Yep!
Your channels pretty good too. I like your water target over the meat target, just because it's easier to understand what it takes to destroy a water jug, since I've never made a meat target.
If you want to spend $600-$700 you could order a mechtech carbine conversion unit. They make them for glocks, 1911s and springfield xd's.
I thoroughly enjoy mine in 45acp for my 1911, I just dont have the time to go out and set up a water target to see the difference in power.
Like Bob Ross but with guns🤣
I'll be looking forward to the "Flamethrower for Home Defense" video.
Quite effective if you want to defend yourself against A house.
Never know when you’ll need to clear out some pillboxes
I just posted the same thing. It would take a special kinda bad guy to charge towards a flamethrower. Not many people are that committed over the theft of an old VCR.
And they said the days of asbestos in homes was over...
It's the only way you'd HAVE a home afterwards...
dunno man, just watch Once Upon A TIme In A Hollywod.
If Doomguy can rock the double-barrel, you can, too.
The fabled Super Shotgun is viable for even for some of the most horrific and evil demons, and works just as well on more conventional two-legged threats.
Doom guy is 7 foot tall and jacked. When I grow up I want to be like him.
@@nocturnal0072 You do know he's canonically 6'0 right?
@@zed6234 Yes, in cannon, but in the new games that would be unlikely. Either way, he's massive and his feats of strength speak for themselves.
@@nocturnal0072 No, I mean in the new games dude.
Greetings from Russia! When my friend was thinking about weapon for his old parents (who are not into guns) living in remote countryside, he chosed a double barelled shotgun with external hammers. There was a few simple ideas: 1) it must as simple as possible to maintain and operate it; 2) it must be always ready to fire and still comparisonly safe. For most REALISTIC threats capacity won`t be that big deal. Nice "farmer`s gun" also good for hunting, by the way.
A lot of people don't get that. Simple, cheap, easy to care for, and reliable, that have multi-roles, is better than spending thousands on an assortment of guns and then sifting through them for the best for the job. I'm on a farm and have a single shot 20ga, IC i use for defense, goose, ducks, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, dove, and deer. $240 and the best i ever owned.
Agree mate, keep it simple, db hammer, safe to keep loaded , proberly the last gun to break and easily fixed , Maintenence free , a bit of dirt or mud won’t stop it and pretty cheap. Cheers from Australia
@@ts89540 Hell yeah I agree 100%. These double barrels can hunt anything. You can use drop in conversions to switch between any caliber or even blackpowder. If you're good you can reload it in an emergency not that you would need to. Most people don't realize statistically 70% of the time simply a warning shot is enough and if you get hit by a slug from one of these its over so two shots is plenty. I love that you can get these for cheap by assembling old parts or part kits, and they're even double barrel muzzle loaders. Nothing more versatile, reliable, cheap, and easy to get... I see them used for $200 all the time and you can get them for even cheaper by putting one together or fixing up an old one.
Simplicity is a huge virtue when hands are shaking...my missus long before we married had a bad guy try to break into her house...she couldn't find her .38, and tried to load an old Ithaca 49r, spilling the rounds all over the place...luckily, the bad guy eventually left, but the memory has stayed with her...we keep our Stoeger loaded, along with a couple revolvers...for our home location that should be plenty...if more than one bad guy, watching the first one get blown up will stop, and in all likelihood, have the others trying to run through the walls to get away...also, firing the first shell, the bad guys will have zero clue just what kind of gun they're facing, just that it smoked their friend and there probably a round waiting for them, and the next guy, and the next guy...
Hey dude, just wanted to say that most Americans see through all thus leftist Russian propaganda….we know what awesome people Russians are…God bless you and your family man
I seem to remember that way back in 2016 there were hi-def cameras. Paul, like his cars, guns and jackets prefers vintage ;)
We probably wouldn't even recognize him in 1080p
Thank you, Paul, for all you've done for us. Not just the videos. But also, your life of service to our country. I hope your family knows that you were a great inspiration in a world that needs more men like you. You'll be missed.
You hit all the reasons I use the Stoeger coach gun with the 20inch barrel for home defense. Personally, I think the size difference matters a lot toward this end. Those few inches are that much easier to wield around the corners of your home. My wife and kids know how to very easily use it, and they don't have to be great shots to get the job done. I have other guns that I can access quickly, but the all around simplicity just can't be beaten as a household defense gun. Every home that can afford one should have one.
That's eaxctly my thoughts, for home defense I've got a pistol and a pump action shotgun, but in case my wife would use a coach gun.
Great video Paul. Personal anecdote for you, in the 80's, mostly due to economic factors, I knew several people who acquired single barrel breakopen shotguns for home defense. For the type of real world situations you allude to, these did a fine job of defending their owners.
We had a Cowboy Action Shooter in our SASS club that taught technique to and competed against top law enforcement in benefit shoots for charity. He routinely beat pump shotguns holding 6 rounds in both speed and a clean shoot. (Side note, this was a hammer style double barrel! He accomplished the same with a single action 2 revolver match against a semi holding 10 rounds and the lever action rifle). Now granted he had hundreds of not thousands of hours of practice but it is possible. Great vid!
We aren’t all Cowboy action shooters dude….Pump every time
@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808 double barrel can fire around 20 rds per minute while pump can fire around 15 rds per minute, granted there is some more delay between shots.
I grew up with a double barrel coach gun. My dad taught me when I was very little around 7 or 8 to get use to having two rounds in the gun and holding two more rounds between my fingers in the hand that holds the fore grip ready for a fast reload. Worked pretty good when needing follow up shots during rabbit hunting. I think it would do as well hunting bad guys..lol
I used to hunt that way with my single shot 20 guage.
I grew up with a double chin. And now I have a triple chin.
Who needs follow up shots during rabbit hunting unless there are multiple rabbits ?
@@disgustedvet 7 year olds just learning? Maybe his dads unique way of teaching his son how to relatively quickly reload a double barrel?
@@kevincallaway9867 : Maybe.
..... "her short, little Tyrannosaur arms to rack the slide".............Hahahahahahaha.
chipchipersonmdphd Fawkin home run chippah!
The guy behind the camera was laughing hahaha
I think it was the girl he was talking about laughing.
or if you have elbow/tendon damage in your arms.
@@johnski4709 woooosh
"Looks pretty effective to me," he says deadpan. Hilarious!
Great videos full of information, humor, and insight. The well considered, balanced approach in all of your videos is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
THANK YOU! You've given strength to my existing belief. I want the quietly loading double barrel 20 Gauge that everyone in the house can operate with minimal training/re-training.
My solicitor? The bloody bloke ran off with my barrister's wife, leaving me at the mercy of the Queen's Counsel. Blimey!
I love your delivery... not sarcastic, well maybe just enough. LOL
Your dry humor is awesome.
"Just take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."
I seem to recall hearing this "advice" somewhere before lol.
45 ROB
And that was horrible advice wasn't it? I can't believe he got away with saying that. Imagine if the "bad guy in the woods" was actually an officer of the law! That could make the next couple of decades rough. Knowest thine target before though pullest thine trigger.
Also, don't render your only means of defense completely ineffective immediately before you are likely to need it.
Bryan Wilson thou
“Fire blindly into the night” - Joe Biden school of self defense
Im a shooter over 65 years now “cut shell” is a new one for me.
@MAGIC CLAW! LOL, he did say it was for doubles only, not semi-autos and pumps. Idea is to give you the hit of a slug and the protection of over penetration of Birdshot. Personally just use 4-8 shot out of a 12 gauge and don't worry about it, but hey in an apartment, it could be useful if you have a double.
@@mcsupersport Yeah, It's NOT for any action that manipulates the shell. Single shot or Doubles ONLY. so OBVIUSLY "manual loaded". They do "work" though!
Dana H. - "cut shells" came about as a Great Depression era expedient. My dad showed me how, but told me that it was only for "emergencies". Its not a perfect substitute for slugs, but it does do functional duty for them.
Disadvantages are loss of hull for reloading, and slightly higher pressures because the hull itself is now going down the barrel also and not just the shot.
Wax "slugs" are a much better approach if done correctly. The shot is poured into melted wax, and then carefully put back into the shell. Doesn't work if you just pour wax on top of the shot - wax hardens and only the top few pellets are contained. Disadvantages are that range is a bit less than cut shells or actual slugs (if your gun behaves the same as Paul's could be a lot more), but on target effect is the same, and you still have a hull you can reload, and the pressures are the same as regular shells. Of course, you can also melt the shot into a round ball mold and put the "pumpkin ball" back into the shell - that works too.
@@kirkboswell2575 another one is to substitute wax for hot glue if the area your living in is too hot so your homemade slugs won't melt
@@purpleguy5226 - True
Tyrannosaur arms......cracked me up! Always enjoy your videos. Thanks.
That wolf hound is so cool!
Livin The Dream -- Man I thought that was a PONY! He even stated its weight in stone.
11 stone, that was awesome, haha. I want more of the doggies Paul.
That's not a particularly big one …. I think my uncles biggest was … 13stone 3? (185?). On her back legs she must have been around 7 feet. Towered over 6 foot men. Nice dog, though.
"Don't try this at home"....
I immediately take notes, cause I know I am going to try this at home.... thanks , man
R. S. You damn right brother good call that's exactly what I was thinking you're the man God bless
You , me and just about everyone here lol .
Better to learn from what we call a professional.
"Looks pretty effective to me".... Lol, I love when he says that.
One thing Paul didn't touch on, but is extremely relevant in 2021, is ammo choice. A break open shotgun can shoot anything from mini shells to 3 inch shells (depending on the length of your chamber) . Semi autos are notorious for being ammo sensitive. Even pumps can be picky about shell selection at times. When all you can find on the LGS shelf is a box of mini shells, some 2 1/2 inch Nobel buckshot, or some Remington reduced recoil being able to shoot them in your double barrel is a plus. The first two turn your pump or semi into single shots and the reduced recoil makes your semi into a bolt gun.
Plus you can get a set of adapters that let you shoot centerfire ammo, further increasing its versatility...
Like how Paul just randomly pulls out a wolf hound😂😂
RIP friend. You will be forever missed.
Four qualities of a firearm,...... Reliable, Durable, Safe, Reasonably Priced.
(Tacticool, fancy, latest and greatest not included).
A firearm need not be expensive to be persuasive.
Ahem* Mosin Nagant M91/30.
I fail to see how taping a serated knife to the end of my double barrel makes it less of those things, or makes it more expensive ;D
Tacticool need not break the bank ;D
You forgot reasonably easy to use. A 12ga shotgun is a great weapon, unless your girlfriend is F'n terrified of it. If she's totally comfortable with a 10-22, then that is a better weapon for her. Just my opinion.
John Doe dude if you're worried what kind of weapon your woman is afraid of firing then that's the only one you want cuz 20 shots to your head with a 10/22 is still the same thing your dead you dig yeah good luck with that God bless
Yeah, but who wants the police laughing at them because they defended themselves with a POS?!?!...😬
"...short little Tyrannosaur arms" ROFLOL!!!! I know I shouldn't laugh, but, the way you said it was funny. (sorry to all short people)
Wasteland Seven All gucci 👌🏼
Glad to see you are at it again! You make some of the best and thorough videos!
My, how time has passed! I was super excited the day this video was released because Paul pretty much read my mind. I had really been wanting a double barrel shotgun, but finding one seemed so far out of reach. Now I've got a beautiful old Stevens 311 that I reburbished myself mounted on my wall and couldn't be happier!
Oh, and the awesome sound of those guns at 03:06 was a big factor in my decision!
I have owned a 311 that was cut off to 18.25 "s for about 20 yr.s. ; it is my camping / hiking gun. Here in W. Montana there are a lot of critters that can scratch bite and claw ! I use the two choices for ammo on most outings . #4 buck is my favorite with either a slug or dose of 00 .
It’s been five years and the only thing that’s changed is the camera quality. What a fucking lad
Thanks for the nod to restrictive gun laws in Ireland Paul. I'm Irish and have inherited an under over. I also have a colt .22 semi auto handgun. Just to point out neither of these are for " self defence" as you cannot get a licence citing this as a reason. 9mm was severely restricted after 2008, at the behest of those benevolent politicians you mentioned. Obviously for own safety. Once while out jogging I had a neighbour's Irish Wolfhound snap at my heels and I can say I was relieved when his owner called him off !!! Love the channel thanks
Always a treat to watch a gun video by someone who is coherent and actually thinks things through. Paul isn't the only one, but they are few and far between.
Clicked for the Irish Wolfhound, stayed for the lecture....
Just lost it over “Short little Tyrannosaur arms”. Four years late but still just as hilarious.
I grew up shooting a 12 guage,two trigger double. I'm very confident and comfortable with it. While it may hold less rounds,it is quicker to reload and has outstanding balance and handling.
A double can fire 2 shots faster than a pump can fire 2 shots.
Gun laws are completely arbitrary and nonsensical in Canada.
Chas No God bless you for you correctness, sir.
Gun laws are all or nothing. They only work with one or the other. easy for places like island nations to do though.
That's because a new generation has been introduced to firearms and the idea that they aren't some big, scary mystery boogeyman lurking around every corner just waiting to kill you and your entire family. Thanks to the internet, freedom of speech, and responsible gun owners, kids and younger adults are learning that firearms are just tools, and like all tools they can be put to good or bad use, but banning and demonizing them only keeps them out of the hands of people with the best of intentions and creates a black market for those who don't care about laws. Some people don't like the NRA, but they do help spread awareness and information about firearms and shooting sports, and a well-informed and educated voting public is one that will fight for justice and liberty, rather than being scared reactionaries who believe any lies they're told because they have no way of discerning the truth for themselves. The anti-gun crowd largely lives in the shadow of fear and doubt, with many of them being woefully ignorant about firearms, current gun laws and ownership and all that entails.
Wade French Indeed. My favourite example is the Lahti L-39. It's a WWII 20mm anti-tank rifle with a muzzle energy comparable to about three of a Nitro Express round of similar caliber. It is also illegal in Canada. Why, you might ask? Because it is a gas-operated semi-automatic long gun with a 10 round magazine.
Because that's the important part: 'high' capacity semi automatic. Not it weighing nearly 120 pounds, not it being nearly seven feet long, not its wide profile bipod with attached skis. No, it's a dangerous assault weapon because it holds too many rounds and you can shoot it fast.
Wade French You sbould try the uk then mate.Real crap
i missed the level in super mario brothers where mario is envolved in a self defence shooting... hahaha
Mario used assault turtle shells against spike-muggers.
I haven't seen Luigi around in some time, come to think of it. Things that make you say hmmmmmm.
I didn't read through all of the comments so I'll apologize in advance for any redundancy, but, one of the advantages of the double is that you can break it down in to two shorter pieces for easier transport or concealment if necessary. Mine has interchangeable chokes, so that's often an advantage in hunting, yeah I know, not purely a 'home defense' issue but for folks on a budget, versatility is a plus and those short barrels make it a handy little grouse gun. About rapid reloads, Clint Smith does it by having rounds on a shell carrier on the stock and much like you did he tosses the empties over his shoulder, and like you, not super fast but effective. If you let go a couple of rounds down a hallway, folks are not going to be quite so anxious to head down toward you. Oh, I had a thought about slugs, some folks got to think about bears around their place as well as two legged varmints. Thanks for the videos, good info, well thought out.
I love how he picks up his shells. Unlike some ppl lol
ideally, if you were shooting lead ammo, you'd collect the bullet fragments as well. Lead is toxic and poisons the environment.
@@ТомасАндерсон-в1е
Me and the boys be running steel shot on the range, protect the environment folks 🙏
😏
@@ТомасАндерсон-в1е i Will.. and cast them into more boolits!
im more of a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range typ of guy.....but to each his own.
Just what you see pal.
I prefer 10mm caseless with an over-under shotgun.
Christopher Schroeder 10 mm, that would be a .410, or caliber 10?
I may close early
Quake railgun gang wya
I like to spin up my GAU-8 when trouble comes, that usually deters most aggressors.
But there's a slight issue with overpenetration. And the cannon moving backwards through every house on your block before you get off the trigger.
I presume you mean 8 bore or 8 to the pound. 4 bore would be a quarter pounder ; it was used by capt fc selous and gordon cummings
Id feel pretty safe with a double, and the short length really matters in an indoor situation. I cant even visualize a double without the image of Uncle Jesse from the Dukes Of Hazzard glaring at me over the muzzle. The ultimate old codger's "git off my land" persuader. IMO its almost axiomatic that if you are wielding a double you are defending, and not the aggressor.
bunberrier before 9mm autos, bad guys liked .38 revolvers and sawed off shotguns....
the sawed off shotgun was your grandpa's assault rifle
@@howardwhite1507 sawed offs were favored because they are concealable. The tommy gun was my grandfathers assault riffle.
@@keepermovin5906 my grandfathers m2 is my grandfathers actual assault rifle
That is what could be considered a Thoughtful Reply -- after the gunsmoke drifts away downwind, the legal maneuvering Begins.
Everybody knew Uncle Jesse meant business when the double barrel shotgun came out.
Racking the slide of a pump gun really just notifies the intruder to be ready to fight.
Yes, it notifies the perp that you are armed and if he is too....... Better off to surprise him with a double barrel.
Gives away your position. Lucky shot is still a kill shot.
No need for that if you load the first shot directly in the chamber or already store it loaded. Some with an outside hammer are also an option.
i will always refer to these videos for my firearms needs, no matter how old they are or how many times i've seen them. thank you for your years of service, paul
Best channel of its kind on YT in my humble opinion. . Respect to Paul. He knows what he is talking about. Btw ..I'm Irish ,most of the firearms shown here I can never own ... As you say in the U.S " that really sucks ! " and indeed it does.
Great video, I like how you stress the effectiveness of some of the more simple firearms. I'm surprised you didn't mention the reliability factor of having a double barrel, pretty much as reliable as the ammo is.
Keep up the good work
2:43 Paul, beautiful Irish Wolfhound!
I just saw the thumbnail and wondered if he adopted a bear.
Best advice ever.... go with what ya got! Learn to make the most of it, it will most likely be enough.
0:10 Bears with gunfire!? Be careful out there, Sir!
Paul this is damned interesting problem you have examined. As always, your work here is always appreciated.
9:52 Makes me think of Berry from IV8888. First place I've ever heard of that. Miss that funny old dude.
rip Barry
Yep, Barry was a great guy, I really miss him and his wisdom.
While Eric has a different "style", I still enjoy the IRQ8888 videos.
BTW: anyone else recall Barry and Eric's monster self-destruct
test on the lowly Hi-Point JHP .45ACP ? Got a big kick out of that.
Me too
Dude, you’re a gem. Finally, someone with common sense.
double barrel coach gun is one of my favorite.i have a stoeger double defence 18 inch barrel and a lower rail for lights or laser... if there is only one guy thats all is needed. or two... no prob and no pumping in between.. if its an army coming then of course it might not be the first choice... but its rare that a whole gang will come after you like we see on tv. thats my opinion.
Racking the slide ain't no deterrent....starring down the barrels of a side by side may be a little more effective but firing a shotgun (or indeed any gun) in an enclosed space sure as sh*t IS a deterrent....So if the whole gang do turn up I don't think they will be hanging around for milk & cookies.
sgt. Nickel
And, if a whole gang DID come after you, they would be stupid to stay around long enough for you to reload. More than likely they would egress at a much higher rate than their ingress!
That's if they can see you have a double barrel or register that fact in that moment of panic.....as I said in another comment replying to sgt Nickel (below).......it has been noted in bank robberies that when someone is threatening you with a gun or indeed firing one no one is checking out the type,make or caliber of the weapon.....they have other concern's.....so even a bank teller who has had some fire arms training or a Police Officer who is taking fire may not be able to say if it was a pistol or a revolver, a double or a pump, an AK or an AR. Fear & Adrenalin are great for confusing detail (listen to Police radio traffic when they are reporting in from a scene ) & quite frankly all the arguments about caliber effectiveness go out the window if your being threatened or shot at you couldn't give a rats ass if it's a 22 or a 7.62 .....THEY CAN BOTH PUT A CRIMP IN YOUR DAY !!!!
Sorry I mean "replying to cabmaker (below) " .......my apologies
sgt. Nickel I jut bought myself a stoeger coach gun with 20 inch barrels and I have fallen in love with it. I love target practicing with it. I'll shoot birdshot at a clay pigeon with one barrel and then transition to a watermelon with the other barrel loaded with a slug or buckshot. I have a compression shell holster on the stock and can reload it surprisingly fast with several different pre planned load outs that I can pull out 2 at a time depending on the situation
I loved the visualization with the dogs.
I’d add the double is very reliable with less moving parts compared to other designs. Similar to a bolt-action compared to a semi-auto or lever-actions.
Enjoyable video.
I'd like to see you do a comparison video between a side by side and an over/under shotgun in terms of how they would function for hunting and home defense. Your shotgun videos are my favorite!
LOL, here in Ireland we do have strict gun laws, but we can have better than a double barrel shotgun. Nevertheless, love the videos. Also, we don't have very many of those dogs anymore. Subbed!
It is not too tricky to get a hold of illegal firearms in Ireland either, at least, older models.
Yep. One of those situations where there are gang shootings every few weeks and yet for some reason you're not supposed to notice that handguns being illegal doesn't seem to prevent criminals, and only criminals, owning handguns. As though a criminal would buy a gun legally for some bizarre reason that only politicians, journalists and pearl-clutchers seem to know.
Laws do not prevent lawlessness .......they make are there to make sure it's punished & taken off the streets (doesn't always work but it's a work in progress).
If their are no laws against murder the Police would be powerless to do anything about it......".Someone just killed my husband"........Police ;"What do you want us to do about it?.There no law against that!!!".
We've had this situation before where their were no laws & people took the law into their own hands which resulted an awful lot of innocent people being killed in vendetta's & revenge killings.This is still the case in some parts of the world....that"s what history tells us.....forget it at your peril.
I knew this was coming.
Kopejka Sobáka Northern Ireland has less strict laws then ireland you can own handguns.
this is a great video, thank you! a jury will also be kinder to the victim with a coach gun over a pump or semi
You bet.
Paul Harrel - the way you watched that second 2 liter land at 3:12. 😂😂😂 “looks pretty effective to me”. Cracks me up over and over. I know it probably wasn’t supposed to be funny but it gets me every time
A suggestion: A sidesaddle MAY aid in speeding up the reloading process in shotguns (insert shells w/brass side down). I'm what you call a NON-professional shooter, lol, ('experienced' in the the military but that's all). Many respects to you and your videos. GREAT information, thank you, Mr. Harrell!
Then the double barrel and the pump merged into one and the DP-12 was born. LOL
Warrior526 hickok45 did a video on one and it was glorious
And Gun Jesus sayeth it was bad
So many tan shooting jackets...
A $5 neoprene shell sleeve over the butt stock can also make for faster reloads. Excellent video! I love double barrels!
I have such on my old Ithaca 66! It does speed things up indeed.
I find Mr. Harrells videos practical, and I so appreciate the common sense approach to posed questions. I also appreciate sarcasm. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
To many experts out there. I wouldn't be fearful to use my single shot 20 gauge for defense. May not be my first choice, but would function just fine.
Please do not shoot cut shells through anything tighter than a cylinder bore -that is if you must at all. The shell body is wider than the bore by a critical amount and often causes extreme pressure spikes. It may not explode, but it certainly can and they have. Personally, I am not comfortable holding my hands right against a barrel that is being overpressured beyond safe maximums.
Not a proponent of cut shells, but If a metal rifled slug that very tightly fits the inside of the bore can suage through a full choke without any issue, a plastic hull full of BBs is not going to cause a problem. That's frankly ridiculous.
@@cameronnorton5898 A slug is noticeably narrower than the shell diameter. And when under pressure from the wad and propellant, the cut shell doesn't compress much at all. But more than the shell width, the gas shockwaves caused by deceleration of the projectile, cause sharp pressure spikes. Rifle barrels suffer similar fates if there are bore obstructions; the pressure spikes and causes a rupture in severe instances.
It's the same reason that one shouldn't shoot 3 1/2" shells in a 3" chamber. The bore restriction and resulting pressure spike can blow out the cartridge base, or rupture the cast steel barrel.
Same thing for steel shot; it is famous for bulging and splitting old shotgun barrels with tight chokes, because the increased gas pressure, velocity, and effective incompressibility of the shot load.
It's not ridiculous, it's a very real cause of damage that gunsmiths deal with regularly.
@@codymoncrief8478 Slugs are a smaller diameter than the bore until they are fired. At the time of firing, the slug obtuates and the hollow design makes it expand very very tightly against the bore. If it werent for this feature there would be no gas seal, and expanding gasses would pass around the slug and it wouldn't build proper pressure or be at all accurate. You would know all this if you had studied ballistics at all, since the first conical bullets known as Minié balls worked this exact same way. It's obvious you don't know as much as you are pretending to, you're wrong about the cut shell thing and that's simply a fact that cannot be debated. You're on here spreading misinformation. No one is going to blow up thier shotgun trying out cut shells. If a solid chunk of metal that is being actively expanded against the inside of the bore with immense pressure can pass though a choke, so can a soft plastic hull full of BBs.
I'll concede maybe cut shells with steel shot aren't a good idea since the steel won't deform or displace as much.
@@cameronnorton5898 Good sir, I went to college and got a degree in this specific field. Safe to say, "I have studied ballistics."
I have studied for years about ballistics, and firearm engineering as a whole. I've also repaired plenty enough shotguns and rifles that had bulged and burst barrels due to overpressure and obstruction situations. You could attempt to present some impirical data instead of talking smack and making personal jabs.
The conical gas seal design on a rifled slug or a minie ball is not at all comparable to the solid mass of a cut shell. The issue is, again, gas pressure and overall diameter. The cut shell is the width of the chamber, an expanded rifled slug is the width of the bore. The shotgun chamber is usually .050" over the actual cylinder bore diameter. A 10ga slug, fired through a 12ga barrel would not even be compressed in diameter as much as a cut 12ga shell. (A 10 ga slug is actually a bit narrower than a 12ga cut shell)
Note that a full choke is only an average .030" reduction, as opposed to the cut shell being compressed .050 by the forcing cone, then another .030 in the case of a full choke, for a total of .080". That is more than twice the compression that a slug would experience, not to mention the fact that the slug is specifically designed to conform to cope with varying bore diameters.
Cut shells increase both the secondary and tertiary pressure spikes during the firing process.
Firearms already operate at extreme pressures, and increasing them past levels that they are intended for is dangerous. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Show me a shotgun manufacturer that condones firing cut shells at all, let alone through a choked barrel, and I will withdraw my statement.
"...her short little Tyranosaur arms..."
I lol'ed!...
You can hear her behind the camera try not to laugh when he says that lol
Just found your channel and have to say I am impressed!
Thanks. Hope you're finding these videos useful.
Love this UA-camr. My Father was a lifelong 'double gunner'. His gun of choice for hunting purposes was an Ithaca LeFever 12ga. double with 26" Imp./Mod bbls. The gun was probably built in the 30's and had too much stock drop for my liking; I went with and still have an Ithaca/SKB 100 in 12 ga. Anyway, to the point of slow reloading speed with the double, Dad would often carry two follow up rounds between the fingers of his weak hand, and he could fire two rounds, reload and fire two more pretty fast. With a little practice, that's four powerful rounds in pretty quick succession. And let's not forget the pucker factor of a crook staring down those two big dark barrels wielded by a home owner standing there in his skivvies recently awakened
and pissed off.
It occurs to me that even though doubles are slower to reload, they may be quicker to load in the first place. If you keep your gun unloaded (b/c of kids, or whatever), you could be out of bed, pop in two shells, and out into the hall in seconds. Whereas with the pump, it might take a half minute to load the magazine.
Hi. I disagree for two reasons: one, you don't have to load more than two shells into a pump shotgun if you don't want to. Second, most pump action shotguns can be loaded without opening anything at all; you simply have to stick shells into the loading gate, then pump the slide. All things considered, if you were to load only two shells into either type of shotgun, then the difference in time will be due to how much practice you have.
"Wise and altruistic politicians." (*wink*) LOL! Perfect.
1918
German with a flamethrower: Ha ha. Take this Doughboy!
American: *click clack*
German: REEEEEEEEE! NOT FAIR!!!
The coach gun breaks down into two very short pieces which can fit in most backpacks, or a suitcase so they are also good that way. An elastic shell holder on the stock can really speed up loading time as well since you can orient them for easy grabbing.
I like the old style with exposed hammers, it is easier to know which barrel will fire. My newer one with concealed hammers only has one trigger so you have to really know the gun to know which barrel is up next.
Then for defending the melon patch I have the very old double with 30" barrels. It can reach waaaaay out there.
Paul is a sensible voice among gun guys, long may he continue
I discovered this channel yesterday, and I'm addicted to his videos.
I just have a 18th century swivel gun mounted in my living room.
I'd hate to be the first scallywag through the door.
Oof
"Check with your solicitor before making cut shells".
On a side note, I was charged once with solicitation. I assure you that it was a complete misunderstanding despite what the undercover police woman said.
First American I've ever heard use that word and not Attorney.
Just want to say thanks for mentioning Ireland, You have perfectly described the situation in my country. Although you are not allowed to own a firearm here for self defence, I wanted to see if it was possible to use the firearms that are possible to get a hold of in my country to defend myself and family in the unlikely event. THANKS
Your right that you can only hold firearms for sporting reasons here in Ireland, however of course you can have semi auto and pump action shotguns, you can have semi auto rimefire rifles, centre fire rifles are usually bolt action, but may also be lever action or pump action, you can also get a pistol license if you join a club, but you can't carry them around with you.
Hi Paul - A good friend of mine, the late Jimmy Cirillo, served for quite a while on what was called the “SOU” of the NYPD. They originally used 00 Buck, but later switched to the 12 ga rifled slug. The decision was primarily to prevent stray buck shot pellets from hitting other than the intended target. Interestingly the Foster slug’s nose slows down upon impact and the skirt keeps moving forward causing the recovered slug to look like a large lead washer which decelerates very rapidly.
Not only very instructive vids but very funny and entertaining!
The longest distance at my home would be 10 yards or 30 feet for home defense under normal circumstances. But probably more like 3 or 4 yards. So the length of the shotgun matters a lot!
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Yeah...I measured 12-15 feet if the wife hears that bump in the night...we take the stoeger 12 gauge to the range every time we go-trapshot is affordable and still findable...she knows the 00 buckshot at the house will stop the craziest bad guy at that range...her drill is push safety,aim center mass...heck,at 12 feet the trap shot would seriously mess some one up...
KSG has entered the chat.
Double barrels are great. As a well known military expert once said: "All you gotta do is fire two blasts through the front door! Go on the porch and fire 2 blasts in the air!"
Irish wolfhound, cut shells. Just the best videos!
Your production values are off the charts better these days, but your information and presentation were then and are now rock solid.
Thanks Paul. Very didactic video as usual. In Europe (in my case France) Rubber slugs or rubber pellets are very popular, easy to source in caliber 12 and 16, and generally tolerated by law in Self defense since their use testify about concern of the user not to cause lethal damages ; they are non lethal at medium distance (7 to 10 m) but very painful; deadly at very short distance . This is what I use. If reloading is impossible it can become an excellent baton / truncheon. Side by Side shotgun are no longer popular versus Over/under shotgun, which makes them very cheap to buy and shorten barrels down to 45 cm (18" , less being not legal in France) . All hunters or licensed shooters can buy one. The older versions shooting black powder only are free for every citizen over 18.
Single intruder, double barrel, double trigger, magnum buckshot.
You'll need a mop and a bucket too.
That's the truth! Story time; in an actual home defense the gentleman in question said, they talk about the home invasion but not about the mess afterwards. He used a shotgun and said he was cleaning up lung, heart and bodily fluids from his floor, walls and ceiling for a good while. So I guess one shotgun blast was more then enough to get that home invasion stopped.
You don't choose the double barrel, the double barrel chooses you.
I love to put your stuff on and just let it be going in the background, because even if you cant pay 100 percent attention, just the amount of good things you hear,just here and there is still exceptional!!!
Thabk you sir!
You are missed!
RIP😢
thank you paul for all you’ve done to share your knowledge and expertise with us
My girlfriend is "forced" to choose a double barrel because that's what I set on that side of the bed.