PATHFINDER: WOTR - LICH Mythic Path GUIDE - Builds, Powers & Spells! Unfair Viable
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- EDIT: Enslaving the Umbral Dragon to fight Baphomet will end up with the buff that makes the dragon your undead minion dispelled per newer patches, so be wary!
At last, my guide for Lich Mythic Path! Just like Angel, a merged Lich has amazing spells and also the ability to become great in melee as well, culminating in the perfect fighter/mage character if you so desire. We have even higher survivability than Angel from all the temporary HP spells, immunities & free damage + heals. Three build choices are given based on your needs.
Do note that while Sorcerer Lich might seem way better than the rest, you ONLY gain the synergy with CHA to HP and big CHA boost at Mythic Rank 8 so very late game!
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00:00 Lich Mythic Strengths
01:09 Lich Mythic 3
02:30 Lich Mythic Powers Explained
09:10 Lich Mythic 4
09:49 Lich Mythic 5
10:35 Lich Mythic 6
10:50 Lich Mythic 8
11:11 Lich Mythic 9
11:26 Lich Spells
22:58 Exploiter Wizard Lich
26:24 Exploiter Wizard x Brown Fur Arcanist Lich
26:36 Brown Fur Transmuter Arcanist Lich
29:35 Sylvan Sorcerer Lich
31:46 Lich Gear
34:45 End Notes
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Love your videos! I'm just starting Act 5 (first playthrough) with a Blade Master Azata, and I've been thinking about either an Angel or Lich for next playthrough. Lucky me, you've got outstanding guides for both! 👍😊💪
Thank you for the support! It makes me really happy to know my guides are being useful like this.
Both Angel & Lich are top tier Mythics so you're sure to have a great time with either of them.
As for Azata, it's between that and Demon for my next run! I'm thinking either Kineticist Azata or a Demon run focused on natural attacks.
Love your video, very informative for someone like me who always struggle with spellcasting MC. I'd love to see your builds for the undead companions and the party composition you'd use with this Lich build.
Thank you!
Build Guide for the undead companions sounds fun indeed, I'll be sure to make one in the future.
Just finished up my Angel Cleric game yesterday and was thinking to go either Trickster or Lich this time around. I have looked at a couple of lich builds but your exploiter wizard build appeals to me the most, so I will try that out. Looking forward to your other vids.
Thank you, and I hope you have fun with Lich!
It's certainly a powerhouse gameplay wise, and does lend itself quite nicely for Fighter/Mage builds at basically no cost.
One thing I'd add on Magic Devourer, if your Lich will be in melee at all (as an example mine is Sorcerer -> Eldritch Knight), you gain a LOT of benefit out of it at the lower levels when you don't have many options for Quickening Magic.
Oh, and your allies can trigger it, which is actually insanely strong since it allows you to accelerate your casting. You can even intentionally have allies that will fail their Spell Pen Roll, fire away directly at him so that he can now cast an additional spell. I.e. Heal-spec'd Ember casting a weak tier 1 spell so that the Lich can cast a much stronger spell immediately. Massive value-added when considering the amount of nuisance spells and effects you can negate. Helps a lot for action economy.
Thank you for the tip!
I never thought about Magic Devourer that way, I'm really a fan of Fear Control & Deadly Magic though.
That kind of thing makes me wonder if Sword Saint would be comparably effective for a melee Lich?
Very very nice Lich guide. keep up good work
Thanks a ton! Lich can make for a very fun run and it's also my favorite thematics wise, I've always liked the Necromancer style of play! Pity most games don't really do it any justice.
Your ability to explain and your understanding of mechanics at unfair is exceptional, as well as appreciated. Makes viewing your builds all the more worthwhile! Thank you for your time and effort in making these vids, cRPG Bro. Also, while I understand the possible need for pets and such at Unfair, maybe straight up Spell Master OR maybe a few levels dip into Loremaster and the rest of your levels into Sage Sorc as an option (to be honest, you could just a Jaethal like build for Lich and it would probably be just as effective)? Or maybe Incorporeal form at Mythic level 7 over Ever Ready? I dunno, you do your thing bro, you the Unfair expert, hence why I watch your vids, cause hey, if the build works at Unfair, I know dern well it/they will work at Core/Hard, etc. GG.
Positive feedback like this really makes the effort into making these videos and guides worth it, so thank you as always for the support!
You can certainly change the character from Sylvan Sorcerer into another class, the pet is great but you can make do with pets from your other party members.
Incorporeal Form has the potential to be a great spell if it works like the Angel version spell. I have not tested it myself and how it actually works in game, however.
So long as you are playing any full arcane caster that can merge spellbooks with Lich, everything is going to be successful and viable because of the great power in the Lich spells, both offensive and defensive wise. The same with Angel, really.
@@cRPGBro I noticed you had Elemental Barrage chosen. I am a bit lost as to why? Yes, I am stupid but I am still asking. Thx.
@@eddiebulls7851 Sorry for the late reply, seems I missed the message.
Elemental Barrage adds a massive amount of damage per hit if you have multiple elements on your weapon, at least two of them.
With Lich, this is very easy to achieve because of both Geniekind Spell and also Firebrand.
I am actually going Sylvan sorc - Signifer - Eldritch Knigh route to Death Knight, thanks for explaining the ability tree.
Thank you for watching!
That is a very powerful combo as well, just be sure to get Boon Companion. Although your pet will still end up somewhat behind due to big levels in both EK and Signifier.
Great content mate, keep it going!
I played Eldrich Font Lich, which was a cool roleplaying idea, but all the bonus DC ended up wasted after I found out about all the lich spells having little to no saving throws.
Next time I play Lich, it's gonna be a martial class for sure.
Thanks for the support as always mate!
I have heard good things about Eldritch Font for DC, but yeah, as you said, the strong Lich spells don't really care much for DC besides Negative Eruption as far as damage, or Absolute Death which is super late game.
Martial/Caster Liches can be great fun as the Mythic Path, much like Angel, can do both at once just fine!
@cRPH Bro Yeah, but I still think a DC-focused, non-martial, "dedicated caster" build Lich can be plenty useful. Mainly because while the actual Lich spells mostly don't care about DCs (some do though, TBF), as a caster if you build properly you can actually insta-kill bosses with spells like Phantasmal Killer via the Expanded Arsenal epic feat. Thing is, expanded arsenal applies *all* your other spell foci to the selected school, so if you have Spell Focus + Greater Spell Focus + Mythic Spell Focus in two different schools, you can potentially add up to a+8 to the DCs of spells like Phantasmal Killer and Weird BEFORE gear bonuses and Eldritch Font powers. Add in gear and that can easily get up to a +14 to your illusion DCs, since there are at least 4 different items that can boost your illusion DCs. This can get even higher the more spell foci you take, though I'd advise against taking too many since you'll still want feats like spell pen + greater spell pen and metamagics like Persistent Spell and Heighten Spell.
Granted, a fair few things are immune to mind-affecting spells, but if you take the Undead Bloodline (which also happens to be SUPER thematic for a Lich) or Serpentine Bloodline, you can actually expand the list of things you can hit with stuff like Phantasmal Killer, and when your up against immune things you still have your Lich spells, which if they do happen to have a DC will still get a solid +4 to that DC, and and also will pretty much always shatter any SR enemies might have via Eldritch Font bonuses (since this build is very likely to go Eldritch Font for obvious reasons). If you want to play a full on "death mage" who slings insta-kill save-or-dies alla Voldemort alongside your necromantic lich spells, this would be the build for it.
While I have yet to get there in the game with this build, I gave heard that people using similar builds have managed to one shot Deskari the Lord of Locusts himself with Phantasmal Killer. I don't know if doing that is possible on unfair, but its definitely a possibility on the other difficulties, and might still be possible on unfair with the right build and gear. Again, I'd have to ask the people who had this experience what mode they where playing on to truly know.
Just what I need for my Lich play through.
Glad the guide was useful to you, friend!
Personally I am a huge fan of the bard upgrade for skeletal companion, since we get the dirge performance, with a lot of rounds, which like frightful aspect is a free access to shaken with no save. About powers, you are pretty spot on, but there are some scenarios where certain powers can be quite overpowered. Death of elements can turn all the magus enchants into negative energy, thus getting 3d6 extra damage per hit, which is much better since 1d6 elemental damage equals 0 against demons. Of course that will prevent elemental barrage, so do with that what you will :D For example if you play 10 wizzard 10 eldritch knight, you can buff yourself with 4 genniekind and firebrand. In this fashion withering life is going to drain 10 stats per attack. For unarmed build this can be quite a lot :)
Nice vidéo !!! Yeah explain your party member please and what classe you have pick for your run !!! Thxx à lot 🥰🥰
Loved the info and builds. What are your thoughts on a more melee centric lich build with dragon disciple and eldritch Knight?
Thank you for the comment!
I think EK + Wizard or Brown Fur is already enough.
My problem with Dragon Disciple is that it also delays your caster levels even further, so already 1 from being a Sorcerer, +1 from EK, and then more from DD.
While merged Lich will overcome this, it's still going to delay your progression as to what could have been, which matters during let's say Chapter 3 as you can get 8th spells there and 9th in early Chapter 4.
There is another thing that makes book merging broken that I have yet to hear anybody discuss...and thats the synergy it has with the Mystic Theurge prestige class. If you, say, play as an Oracle 4+/Sorcerer 1 and then book merge Lich with your one level Sorcerer dip, you instantly qualify for Mystic Theurge right there without having to suffer through the pain of leveling up as a Arcane Caster 3-4/Divine Caster 3-4. Granted, your spell progression will not be supercharged like a purely arcane book-merged Lich, but you WILL end up with 9th level spells off both your arcane and divine list at the cost of not getting access to the 10th level Lich spells, so long as you use Mystic Theurge to advance your merged arcane-lich book alongside your divine book. This makes Lich or Angel (which can also pull this trick with Mystic Theurge, but with a single level dip in a divine class rather than an arcane one) mythic path casters pretty much THE BEST Mystic Theurge platforms in the game, bar none.
With a build like this, since your CL won't be as absurd as a purely arcane Lich, I'd focus on support over damage, acting mainly as a buffer, healer, and if you want to controller with a heavy investment in spell DCs, and possibly things like expanded arsenal to apply the necro DC boosters you will be taking to schools like Illusion, since save or sucks often care significantly less about your CL than blasts/damage spells do. With the right build, enough spell foci, and proper gearing, you can get a pretty absurd DC boost to illusion or whatever other save or suck school you want via expanded arsenal (like pretty easily in the +14 range so long as its a mind-affecting school like illusion or enchantment) so you could actually get some very potent Phantasmal Killers and Weirds when you just need to kill things. Since your also a full divine caster, you can be a potent buffer and healer without even trying, and if you really want to can build towards that role + commanding undead pets off Lich instead of DC save or sucks that don't care overmuch about caster level if you don't like the swing-y-ness they come with.
TBH, yeah, book merging is kind of OP. Case in point, my Oracle/Angel had access to Bolt of Justice from basically the beginning of Act 3, whereas my Paladin only just now got access near the end of Act 4 and with only 2 casts if I use up all my slots of that lvl
It's a good thing it doesn't really matter, though. Anything above Core difficulty is stupidly over-tuned anyways, so it basically default kills any "unoptimized" builds and most characters could probably beat the game, regardless of the Mythic, on Core from start to end as long as you make reasonable choices
Great review! One I wasn't clear on the weapon choice for the exploiter wizard build. If it was a pure wizard, perhaps quarterstaff of the war mage? But with Eldritch K it looked like you went falchion. Would Deaths Consonant bardiche be another good choice, or is there a reason you wouldn't recommend it?
Best choice early on is Glaive for the reach and the good glaives you find.
Later, at around Chapter 3+, Falchion or Fauchard are the best choice, since criticals are king, and at that point you can also easily add reach to Falchion with Enlarge/have more defensive buffs.
So what sub class do you think very compatible with lich merge, at level of saint + trickster and oracle + angel? good job on the video man, i think people will get much new useful information from your video
Thank you for the support and the positive feedback!
Personally, I think overall Sylvan Sorcerer would be the easiest to play because of how powerful pets are, especially during early game when your characters are still weak.
Embrace death is extremely situational, but is still potentially useful. Plenty of enemies wont get one shot by feast of blood, and a hard incapacitate is useful. As far as I am aware, there are no immunities listed that affect it (at least the crowd control part, not the con drain). It certainly works on undead and enemies with a huge number of immunities like hand of the inheritor. The issue is that you need to get the save DC very high for it to be reliable, as it offers a save per round. Lich can actually debuff powerful enemy saves rather effectively with corrupt magic, and there is always the option of stacking Camellia and Ember's evil eyes.
Thank you for the tip about Embrace Death.
I suppose in my Lich run I just went with Repurpose because of ease of use and the fact it's only a level 5 slot.
Corrupt Magic dispel is indeed one of my favorite Lich spells, the high CL because of merging means you'll have a good time beating enemy check, and then the added stacking debuff is just insane for late game bosses that have tons of buffs, especially the final boss!
I really appreciate how concise the information you give is. Your videos have been helping me out a ton while I've been exploring and learning this game. The only issue I have is that I wish there was a bit more information on earlier game content. I struggled greatly getting this build going, and felt my wizard/eldritch knight was entirely useless until level 9. Constant reloads, since multiclassing insured my wizard wasn't penetrating with spells, yet not strong enough with eldritch knight to do much for melee damage, not to mention my PC would most often be targeted by the entire mob then instakilled. Without any armor he can't survive attacks, no matter how much he's buffed, yet with armor it's constant spell failures, and still very little damage output. The only thing he could do is cast grease then run away. Even then archers would find him more often than not.
I think your videos would be top of the charts if you could include a bit more early game strategy. This goes for gear as well. No one is going to have access to the stuff you mention for 3/4 of the game, so I would love to see some options for the earlier content that could maybe help myself and others get going on your build ideas.
I'm by no means new to crpg's, but pathfinder seems a world apart to me. My previous character was an order of the paw cavalier halfling and would decimate crowds early game. This build, though, has been an exercise in frustration, where even the simplest mobs have been incredibly challenging.
I just got to lich mythic path so will have to see how the next few levels go.
Thank you for the support!
Early game life as a Wizard can be tough, but the key is to spam Grease + Glitterdust because they both have crippling AoE effects and also bypass Spell Resistance.
You actually do NOT need any other offensive/debuffing spells besides these ones early, this is how good they are.
For survivability, this is also why I went with a reach weapon (Glaive early on is best before you go for Fauchard) and reach increasing spells (Enlarge Person).
This lets you attack the enemy from afar with you Wizard, highly contributing to party damage while also remaining safe, and especially useful because of the -4 to enemy AC when Prone/Knocked Drown from Grease, and the free attack of opportunity you get when they get up, assuming they ever do.
At the same time, you block the enemies from reaching you with your pets or other tankier characters.
@@cRPGBro Thanks so much for the tips! I also have to say I support you and your channel because of your accent. I was born there but live on west coast now. Wishing you much success :)
@@JoelAppugliese Thank you so much for the support, friend! 😁
Nice video. But don't sleep on death rush since it also procs on charges. Very powerful when combined with mythic charge and pounce.
Thank you!
And that's actually very nice to know, I thought it would only work with Trip, Bull Rush and so on.
Charge is indeed very powerful so this Power has great synergy with it indeed.
I go melee skeleton assasin with fighter and inquisitor. Inquisitor give you 1 teamwork feat and a minor buff. Also fighter give you a feat as well. So they can somewhat contribute to the AOO chain. What do you think about it and Lich companion in general? I think lich companion is a little weak as you cannot fully customize it. It can use all the items slot though unlike other companions that always have some locked. However it still feel weak comparing to like Azata stuff
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on making a Witch-based Lich? As a full arcane caster, Witch can actually book merge with Lich just like Wizard, Sorc, and Arcanist. Stigmatized Witch in particular seems like it would work very well with Lich due to being Cha-based for all the Cha-synergies with the Lich undead bonuses when you finally get them. So outside of early-entry-via-book-merge Mystic Theurge shenanigans, I figure this would be the best way to play a support-focused Lich if thats your jam, so I am curious as to your thoughts on the viability of a Witch-Lich, and in particular going Stigmatized Witch for all those Cha synergies with Lich down the line?
I'm not much of a Witch fan gameplay wise.
Mostly because I find the Witch's spellbook to be REALLY underwhelming.
I suppose the good thing is when merging with Lich, this can be completely remedied, since Lich does add many amazing spells, especially at the disappointing Witch spell levels!
Hexes are certainly fun though, but other classes can also get them like Camellia's Spirit Hunter.
Stigmatized can certainly work, but it's important to remember that you are only getting your CHA to HP very late game, at Mythic Rank 9.
Also not much of a fan of the Stigmatized delay to spell acquisiton, but I guess once again Lich helps overcome that, although even then, you'd still get your 9th spells 1 level faster as a normal Witch, even as a Lich.
I don't think the witch spellbook is underwhelming, though I agree lich merge does improve it. My issue with hexes are the DC's being so low. They probably aren't even super useful on normal much after the early game. I usually find the enemies I want to affect are either (A) immune to mind-affecting or have saves too high to succeed regularly, if at all
If you're building an Eldritch Knight, you can go 6 wizard/10 Eldritch Knight/4 Hellknight Signifer. This will give you 16 base attack bonus. You'll also get heavy armor proficiency and ignore 25% arcane spell failure.
That's nice to know.
I have heard about Signifier before, the extra attack and the armor proficiency sound like fun.
It's not like we gain much from Exploiter past level 5 or so anyways.
Steelblood Bloodrager 1lvl dip gets heavy armor casting with 0 ASF.
Any tips for the first chosen spells as a wizard? Nice video!
Always Grease!
It really is by far the best early game spell, and thank you!
Hi did you go over base starting stats for the builds? I couldn't find it in the build section of the guide. Ty in advance :D
For Sylvan Sorcerer, it should be:
14 STR, 12 DEX, 14 CON, 19 CHA. 😀
I go with full wizard spell master, I dont get negative schools and I get a lot of spell slots, as skills I got pretty much most metamagic effects that applies to any spell even level 10 and 9 spells I think cause when I tested it worked at least, so you can still get a metamagic skill to increase the number of a spell cast but you can also use the maximize magic on level 9 and 10 spells and thats extremly op on bosses I actually can solo bosses, I also got skeletal vanguard cause I wanted him to tank since I solo most content and my spells only heal him so its ok for him to be in the middle of them, I also got all lich exclusive gear and its an intelligence based class so you get a lot of spells slots, also I used elf as race cause it already has a lot of weapon specialties so I dont need to get the feats and spend it with other things, rings I use ring of luck and ring of the dead, the cape I use another lich cloak that is the cloak of darkest rites or wrath of the undead, I also use clasp of death that you get if you win zacharius favor so its a lich exclusive item extremly good, to get it you need to answer correctly on how Nocticula killed the demon lords (she is killing their desires and weakening their souls) you need to kill both of your advisors and you need to not have any love interest when you become a full lich then you wont need to kneel and will get the clasp of death item, you can still get the item if you didnt complete one of this things, two if you never had a love interest but getting nocticula question correctly is good then you can spare one advisor,
For the exploiter wizard build, do you find it's that important to be great with weapons? Is it worth losing a level of spell casting?
The loss of a level doesn't matter much since Lich already has faster progression.
At most you'll have the same progression of Lich Sorcerer.
oh man this is much better then the neoseeker builds :D
Thank you!
Hope you enjoy the builds, a Lich merged caster can be great at both melee + spellcasting all at once.
Please be sure to check my Angel guide as well if you want to try Angel Path!
Amazing video and build. Just one question, what exactly does boost ur AB to +90. Was it with domains or something. Because as I remember, not even with angel with 24h 1/round buffs I had that much.
Hello there and thanks for the support!
In this video here I explain here how to stack all the AB and also heavily debuff enemy AC:
ua-cam.com/video/8-epQ9sPRtU/v-deo.html
As for this specific +90 AB, I had the True Strike spell for +20 to first attack, but only because we are actually missing a lot of points that don't show on sheet, only during combat: all the bonuses from Skald Rage + Rage Powers, Outflank, Ever Ready, Mark of Justice, and so on.
@@cRPGBro Thank you. Yeah I forgot to delete this comment. I later in the video noticed u hovered over AB and I saw Madness domain buff and True strike. Giving in total like +30. So that would make 50-60AB with personal buffs only (minus true strike as that one is arcane buff).
So that makes the AB same as angel and other. But yeah, Lich has some nice on hit effect damage + firebrand (not counting the genekiend 4x as my mod fixes that stacking bug).
Too bad from evil storylines, Demon has better rp, or i was told xD
Huh, there was a 3.5e build called the uttercold assault necromancer. You would have skeleton minions and use the uttercold assault metamagic to turn your spells to half ice, half negative energy, most notably wall of fire. Would heal your minions every round while being a pain to deal with. Death of elements seems like it might have a similar effect.
There were some fun undead feats from Libris Mortis too from the Corpsecrafter line.
At 16:31 you mention the umbral dragon helping you trivialize Baphomet. On my first lich playthrough(on the release week) it worked but on my second one, 1-2 months later, Baphomet was able to dispel repurpose from your minions and it turns the fight into an impossible one as you get ganked by Baphoment the dragon and whatever else you have, luckily you can dispel the spell yourself from your minions and kill them before that fight if you don't have a decently close save to use.
Yeah, I think this was eventually changed in a patch, but I'm pretty sure in my first run (which was Lich like you) the Dragon was able to stay with us even after Baphomet's Word.
Hello!, I am gonna do second playthrough. Would you recommend Lich or Azata for Arcane caster? Which path did you like more? (not online combat wise but which was more fun to play after first playthrough? :-) Thanks!
Lich is a lot more fun gameplay wise to me, that's for sure!
I think Azata has a lot more story events though, but it depends on the flavor, because for Azata it's all about friendship.
Lich has that unique undead theme going!
Corrupted blood is top tier spell. Only lvl 3 and its basically a permalock to all bosses no matter how many saves they have.
Any suggestions for a melee/spell casting lich? Kinda thinking about WoW liches, strong melee and access to level 9 spells as well as merge.
Hi there, my Exploiter Wizard/Eldritch Knight Build from this Guide is exactly that: you combine great melee with amazing spellcasting!
Hi, is fear control also for magic or only for melee/ranged weapons ?
Restore undead is really useful for undead companions specifically because it revives them with no negative levels
It also revmoves any and all debuffs, no dice rolls needed.
lets say i go exploiter wiz/ed into lich, can i start out with high dex instead of str since i get a weapon based on int later? and just use a xbow form the back ranks? would b great if you did a template for both the sylvan lich and the exploiter wizard lich builds!. thx for all the content
I wish you can be a good Lich or chaotic good xD
Like a Light Side Sith Lord
I played magnus lich. Just get all the buff then smash people, even the mythic abilities are super strong for that as well
Yep, Lich offers amazing support for characters that want to both fight and cast spells such as Fighter/Mages types like Magus or Eldritch Knight.
i'm curious why you went with falchion as weapon focus and not something more fitting like scythe? is falchion better?
Falchions are indeed better.
Scythes have lower critical range but higher critical damage.
Ideally you want to get criticals more OFTEN though, especially due to the synergy with the extra attack on critical Teamwork Feats like Outflank.
Personally I like decaying touch on a monk-dragon disciple. Plus mythic feat to ignore DR. You can also use pummeling style to trigger decaying twice on each hit (bug).
Yeah, I'm looking forward to trying out a Lich Monk!
So if you take a single level of magus scion you can pick a different bloodline while still having the 19 in slyvan sorcerer effectively getting you 2 lvl 19 bloodlines. I pic demon for the extra 6str personally, or arcane for the early game familiar and extra spells, but many good options. Don't know if its a bug but I think the most lich thing you can do is try and become as powerful as possible.
That sounds nice and powerful indeed.
I don't have much experience with sorcerer bloodlines, but by default Sylvan/Fey bloodline is rather weak features wise indeed, besides the extremely powerful pet.
So it would be beneficial for the character to get the power of a second, strong bloodline for passives and such.
@@cRPGBro I love sorcerer bloodlines from a rp perspective and have played around with combo classes a lot for it. Love the content.
I saw you took the Potent Magic exploit, but what exploits did you select at levels 5, 9, 13 and 17?
For the other Exploits, I suggest focusing on the defensive ones:
Wooden Flesh for stacking Nat Ac.
Arcane Barrier for temporary HP.
Dimensional Slide for a teleport if needed.
Hello, I have a hard time finding guides to this game that I recently started playing. Is there any chance that you can make a leveling guide for this build? Thanks in advance.
Hi there and glad to see you here!
I kept the build shorter for this guide (I have Exploiter Wizard, Brown Fur and Sylvan Sorcerer) mostly as to not make the video too long, but I still cover all the feat selection.
I can certainly make a separate full guide when talking about let's say the Sorcerer and also the Wizard class guides.
@@cRPGBro Thank you! I recently started playing the game and find it frustrating that the majority of guide/builds that are out there are out of date.
I have never played a Sylvan Sorceror before, but since you mentioned the strong pet and also took "Mythic Beast" at Mythic Rank 9, wouldn't it make sense to squeeze "Boon Companion" into your feat selection somewhere?
There is no need to pick Boon Companion if you are playing a pure Sylvan Sorcerer, as we get full pet scaling from our class.
Boon Companion is only if you are multiclassing into another class without a pet, which I don't recommend doing because it reduces your spellcasting progression.
@@cRPGBro AH, that's the missing link! 😁 What about Seelah, she gets a horse but not right from the start. Would she need Boon Companion?
@@casuality9137 Nope!
She doesn't it too because as a Paladin, her horse also fully scales to her level if you get it from Paladin at level 5.
@@cRPGBro You are really a walking lexicon, thanks!
@@casuality9137 No problem, feel free to ask any more questions if you have them!
I'm here to help 😃
wait how does a Kineticist Lich work? Dont they use Constitution for all ability's?
Amazing. You can post a Build Spreadsheet?
Thank you for the comment!
I plan on updating these videos soon with spreadsheets like I did for my Angel Guide.
Just need a bit of time as I'm somewhat short on it at the moment.
@@cRPGBro just curious if you ever got around to this?
death rush is good for kineticist, they can trip and or push with every blast, so free damage all the time
Thanks for the tip!
I never really tried Kineticist with Lich what with how amazing Demon is for it, but it is nice to know.
@@cRPGBro thing is, demon is great for kineticist. But rage is only a few times per day. Kineticist is a class that has infinite uses of blast per day, compared to a mage that has x spell slots per day. So while the demon thingy is stronger, it has limited uses. Imo lich is better coz the bonuses are always active. Also it makes kineticist better in a group, coz it changes all the damage from the blast into negative energy, which is great for a undead party
Since the undead can't get enlarge person/legendary proportions is there a buff to put in it's place?
Well, you can use Frightful Aspect if cast by a Brown Fur with their Share Transmutation ability.
Unfortunately, it does not work on the Lich main character after Mythic 9, but does work on the undead companions & your Skeleton ally.
Otherwise you'll have to use something like Lead Blades - but unless you are a Ranger/Hunter, other characters will have to rely on scrolls which isn't really that efficient for a low duration spell.
On the other hand, at the very least we can buff our undead with the passives from Lich + the Cloak that almost doubles it, and also Negative Eruption.
Is there a guide for the exploiter wizzard to build it or somthing simular ? Becouse i realy want to build it, i realy strugle with it. And your guids are amzing even for noobs like me .
Do you recommend to kill Zacharius in a good playthrough? I killed him but I don't know if is the better option. :(
If you're going as a Lich, you really need Zach for most of the game.
If you're going a different Mythic Path especially a Good aligned one, then feel free to defeat him!
You can do it in the early game, or also the late game if you switch from Lich to the other late game Mythic Paths like Gold Dragon.
@@cRPGBro OK Im playing with your Oracle build so nice to meet you Zacharius but you are going to die! ;)
wouldn't the weapon of death ability be bad in practice as most parties will have someone casting crusader's edge on your character and giving you bane against all demons already?
Can you please explain, how you achieved such high Charisma score? im playing Lich as well, different build tho, but have only 36 Charisma so far (almost at the end of act V)
Around +9 can only be achieved after you fully transform into a Lich at Chapter 5. Then you will be subject to your own Lord of Undead ability, and there is a a special Lich Cloak that increases the boost by +4.
Another +6 is from accepting Nocticula's Gift.
+8 comes from a Headband you find at Chapter 6 by once again accept Nocticula's support, or just +6 otherwise at Chapter 4-5.
If I start as a wizard and merge my spell book, if I move from wizard to lore master at 11 can I select the merged spell book and combine this essentially twice??
No, you can't merge twice, what happens is that you will continue merged progression but with the Loremaster prestige class (and also retain the progression on Wizard).
You just pick a spellcasting class for progression in Loremaster, which is then based on whatever progression you already have such as normal Wizard or Lich Merge Wizard.
Is Lich not really a ranged spellcasting build then? Better with melee weapons? Sounds like all three build suggestions are melee focused
Lich can be good as a ranged spellcaster, it's just that we have so many powerful buffs to enhance melee that I find Lich works best as a mix of both, both at high power to boot.
@@cRPGBro I guess I’m down then. Really wanted to do an evil spell caster for next play through though. Wizard elemental specialist with the mythic ability that makes an element type pass Resistance seemed better but you pick exploiter wizard. Better to just go exploiter?
I was wondering something but forgot to ask earlier. Do you use the Tabletop Tweaks mod or only base game?
At the moment, I only use Visual Adjustments & Toybox.
Do you find the changes from Tabletop Tweaks good/useful? I have no experience with it myself.
@@cRPGBro It's a very good mod IMO. Also very, very customizable as every change can be toggled on or off individually via the UMM menu. It adds some very interesting mythic feats and abilities, and throws in a number of fixes to existing feats, spells, and class abilities to boot.
@@cRPGBro What does visual adjustments do?
Do you have a video with your sorcerer build
how are you getting the stats on these? im tryin to build the sylvan sorc but it doesnt mention anything on how you get those stats
For that, please check my How to Stack Stats Guide here: ua-cam.com/video/fmO5ENUIi1g/v-deo.html
Not sure if you still answer, but i have some questions. I plan on going exploiter lich, but i always had difficulty with a caster mc early on, as i often find that the dps the companions deal early on is quite low. Now i know a lot of people just say: well, spam grease and you'll be fine. Is there any way i can try going into melee range without using levels in fighter or such? I play on core, and it's still hella annoying having to waste 3 turns to kill one rat swarm because of the low damage.
If it comes to worse i could just pick a martial class that can also spellcast (bloodrager) and ignore merging altogether.
Hi there, to have a good chance at meleeing with a full arcane caster early, the key is to get Martial Weapon Proficiency at level 1 as I do in my builds.
Then you equip Glaives, which are reach weapons (and also a favored weapon of Baphomet so there's loads of Glaives in the game, easy to get them as drops from Cultists).
Reach weapons let you attack from decently far away, so you'll be behind your tanks as to not get damaged by the enemy.
Grease is not only for the knockdown/CC but also because enemies that are knocked down take a massive -4 to AC vs melee, which helps your low AB early Wizard hit them with a Glaive or Bardiche.
Also when they get up they also proc AoO for more free hits with your Wizard.
For higher DPS early on, I strongly recommend getting a Leopard pet with a character, as Leopards have high AC, good AB and 3 attacks per round even at level 1!
I would suggest Sylvan Sorcerer with Leopard for Lich MC if you can't have another pet with your party.
@@cRPGBro thanks!
Just wondering, do you not like witch lich combination? They can also merge spellbook correct?
Yes, but personally I am not a fan of the Witch class at all because of the awful spellbook, in my opinion at least.
A Shaman like Camellia can merge with Angel and also has the best Witch hexes besides Animal Gift.
Besides a far better spellbook, more BAB, weapon enchants for Elemental Barrage shenanigans, can even gain a pet eventually.
@@cRPGBro thanks for the response. I agree that the spellbook is lackluster just wasn't sure if the lich spellbook would make up for that. Was thinking about trying a winter witch lich for my next playthrough and just using snowball spam for trash mobs instead of melee. Thanks for the great video and advise!
In your experience, how often did your lich character make or fail saves? Saving Throws at level 20 don’t look impressive and I reckon on Unfair DCs must be sky-high.
Lich, as either undead, or when warded with Blessing of Unlife, is immune to pretty much everything that matters by default (all mind affecting + death spells).
So the only thing saving throws wise that is going to hit your Lich are area of effect damage spells, and for those, you can easily just cast Resist/Protection from Energy Communal and also have a massive Temporary HP barrier from Lich spells/massive healing so it doesn't matter at all as well.
The saves aren't high because of the -11 penalty from Visions of Madness, which I wouldn't turn on unless I'd want my Lich to melee the bosses.
Also, my Lich is missing bonuses that don't show on sheet:
Up to +4 untyped from Shake it Off
+4 Resistance from Greater Angelic Aspect, since we have to use the Lich Cloak instead of Cloaks of Resistance.
@@cRPGBro While I got you here-is the final boss encountered in the same area as the Vavkia Vanguard and Mr. K? As in, can you control them and send them to the slaughter against The One True Waifu? If so, you can basically just sit back and relax while the final dungeon beats itself.
@@andreacolombo7896 Sadly, from what I have tested, they will not enter the area past the Threshold Camp.
Kinda sad as watching Khorramzadeh vs final boss would have been pretty fun.
On the other hand, they WILL help your remaining characters vs the K. Reborn fight, which is rather amusing because your Undead Balor will be fighting his Reborn form!
You can always pick sorcerer as they also merge, and merging is the name of the game for lich/angel for 2-3 bloodlines and burn a mythic for the invulnerability of your choice, you generally have 1-2 optional picks. You are kinda immune to a lot as Lich already though as noted. What are wanting to be immune to?
i'm having so many issues figuring out what working in kineticist - specifically dark elementalist. some weird mechanics apply and some dont. just really struggling, also, it feels like most spells are useless because the only caster levels i have are from lich. i also cant find a single kineticist guide on youtube. any tips?
Hi there!
I plan on releasing a Kineticist Guide next week as I'm running one at the moment on Azata Mythic.
I can tell you that base Kineticist is probably the best.
And that you are far better off as Azata if Kineticist.
@@cRPGBro yeah i've come to this realisation too. i think i will reroll to a different class for now even though im already in act 5. but i dont want to play lich again in a new playthrough so i might test around with other classes and then pick up kine again in my next playthrough for a bit (: looking forward to this.
The weird mechanic is an unfortunate interaction, in which you are required to do something to yourself, but cannot do so.
1. When a kineticist **accepts burn**, she takes Nonlethal Damage equal to her level.
2. If a kineticist somehow cannot take Nonlethal Damage, she cannot accept burn.
3. As undead, Liches are immune to Nonlethal Damage; therefore, they cannot accept burn.
If you can solve this problem, Lich actually does have several abilities that work with the Kineticist:
- Death Rush: For earth trip builds. Successful trips add {MR}d6 damage.
- Negative Energy Mastery: Blasts gain 1d6+MR negative damage, and impose 1 negative level.
- Magic Devourer: Gain SR of 25+MR. If an opponent tries to cast on you and it's blocked by your SR, you gain a free Quicken effect on one blast.
Your best bet is to go with Psychokineticist in this case. The archetype changes the rules of burn, so that it doesn't deal Nonlethal Damage; instead, it goes against your Will Saves and Wisdom checks.
Overwhelming Soul is also fine if you know how to play this archetype, because it already cannot accept burn (and as a Lich, Charisma drives your HP bonus.)
Is the sylvan sorcerer build still what you'd recommend for a sorcerer lich?
Yep, NOTHING can compare to getting a pet, especially one at level 1.
Plus, you can still get another Bloodline such as Arcane for +2 DC through Mythic Progression.
I one shot the Echo of Deskari and Areelu Vorlesh with absolute death after debuffing them with quickened Corrupt magic. Not useless lol not useless at ALL
It can be useful for one shotting, it's just that I find you get it sooo late in the game.
And for Unfair, you also need a lot of prior debuffing to get it to stick.
It's a lot easier to just hit them with the no save no SR Lich spells I mean, but if you are built for DC you can certainly one shot them after some debuffing.
If I have on level in Scaled Fist for the AC Charisma bonus (I'm Lawful Evil of course) and become a Lich (Neutral Evil restricment) I lost that bonus? Thank to everyone for the answers
Can Lich spells be used with Magus Spell Combat?
Would love builds for Delamere, kestogylr, galfrey & staunton!
THIS
from my understanding, the only viable build for staunton is using a merc instead of him, sadly
Do the legendary proportions etc spells work on your undead companions?
Legendary Proportions and Enlarge/Reduce Person will not work on undead, sadly.
I imagine you can probably cast it on living party members before turning them undead with Blessing of Unlife.
Frightful Aspect should work but at the moment I believe it is bugged and doesn't work on your Lich main after transformation.
Back then when I played Brown Fur Lich I used to be able to cast it on Kestoglyr for example who is undead.
@@cRPGBro Thanks mate, best Wrath builds bar none on this channel.
Hi, thanks for your videos.. they help me a lot to understand the game mechanics that are quite intimidating for someone like me, that doesn't know that much.
I'm trying to create Sylvanas Windrunner (WOW) as a character and use the lich path. Can someone help me? I'm a bit lost. I was thinking in starting with ranger mostly, get 1 level in wich and maybe 2 in rougue. But I don't know if the ability scores match that good. Not sure if I need to focus in dex, cha or int.
Well.. thanks for any help I can get to guide me a bit.
What would be good starting stats for your Exploiter Wizard? And do I go 10 Wizard Levels first?
14 STR, 12 DEX, 14 CON, 19 INT are the most important.
I would go Exploiter Wizard 5 > Eldritch Knight 10, and then the rest into Wizard.
@@cRPGBro Thanks!
@@boo5ta38 No problem, feel free to ask if you have any more questions!
So does selective metamagic work on corrupted blood?
I have not personally tried it yet, as I never bothered with the spell for my Lich nor the Selective metamagic feat as I was basically spamming Feast of Blood + Negative Eruption which don't have friendly fire at all.
I suppose because of now amazing Feast of Blood is, I find it hard to justify spending an action casting Corrupted Blood instead.
My guess is that Selective won't really work because the Corrupted Blood annoying friendly fire effect happens on enemy death, but I could be wrong.
Decaying Touch on a monk is phenomenal.
Thank you, I have just learned that it can be great with Monk on comments here.
I have to say, the thought of a Monk Lich never really crossed my mind, as I'm often used to merged casters as Liches only.
@@cRPGBro You were absolutely correct about the stat damage not affecting bosses, which is definitely a problem. But I did a "Lawful but Awful" lich Monk and it worked very well. Most of the spells ignored spell resistance, so it worked well. A bunch of guys? AoE spell. One baddie, pummeling charge for all the attacks against the target.
Yes to Kestoglyr, I've repeatedly seen he's the best companion in the game so I wouldn't mind seeing what you do with him. I went Skald. Ciar is my...dark horse pick
Is the bard pick ever worth it? Or because you're hitting flat footed 90% of the time with all the buffs available you generally have enough +hit that the utility of cleric and power of fighter wins out?
There are enough builds that utilize death rush or decaying touch especially as a kitsune that they're probably worth a more positive look, you are almost hard locked into Fear Control and Weapon of Death at 1/2 though, those two are clearly a cut above the rest
Kesto is indeed very powerful and my favorite of them all. Ciar sadly I missed my first run.
Skelly Bard... I would rather just have a Skald to be fair. My main issue with it is that the skeleton doesn't even get Inspire Courage which is the best bard song.
I would indeed have Fighter for higher BAB and then Cleric for some self buffs, but I believe the skeleton caps out at 10 Cleric spellbook. Still enough for Divine Favor at least and some utility buffs.
Inquisitor can give teamwork depending on your tastes and also Bane Weapon for some rounds so it can be very powerful due to Bane.
@@cRPGBro Do you happen to know the pre set feats the Skeletal Champion gains for 11/13/15? Particularly for the Marksmen? There's surprisingly little information on which traits each champion gets past level 9.
Wizards dont have more spell slots, they can prepare more spells
You're sleeping on Corrupted Blood! A level 3 spell which makes an enemy nauseated for min. 1 turn, no saving throw. And it's not a poison effect, meaning it will affect all the damn poison resistant demons. This means you can essentially stunlock almost any boss in the game, because surprisingly even though most bosses are immune to poison, almost none are immune to nauseated.
Just make sure to stop casting it on the turn you kill the boss or he will explode and affect your teammates.
Thanks for the tip!
I indeed passed it over as I was really afraid of the friendly fire damage upon enemy defeat and how annoying it could be to manage that all the time.
@@cRPGBro it actually is super annoying on regular enemies, because the range is super bugged and mus greater than indicated by the spell's description, so basically no matter how far away your party is you will be affected by the damage and nauseated.
But on bosses this doesnt really matter. But it kind of trivializes almost every single boss in the game so feels kind of cheaty
I mean, I'd classify "cheating" as something like permanent haste or other such buffs rather than nauseating the enemy because of a mechanical failure. One mandates the player have a way to deal with buffs, the other is simply using an ability you earned. Plus, you don't have to abuse it. Only use it when needed
The thing I dislike about the evil play through is that very little in the dialogue is evil. Most is just playing an asshole. Honestly using the good and lawful choices with evil intent in narratively more satisfying
I also tend to stay away from the jerk Evil options, often I prefer to pick the Evil ones that result in personal gain or have an ends justifies the means mentality.
Picking Wenduag for this run made me feel rather crappy inside throwing Lann under the bus. This may be the only evil run I can take before completing all the top 6 paths, if and when. It just did not feel good betraying the Lann Man, square as he may be.
@@Jarredpearman Lann was the character I picked first, and that was my Lich run, also my first Mythic.
Later I picked Wenduag and found her rather endearing.
I wish there were more ways to support Lann, he often stays rather sad and blue for most of the run.
@@Jarredpearman oh I loved Wenduag. Her character on a play through is more stable then the dumb idiot psycho she is when you don’t pick her. She still betrayed me at the end of my Lich play though because I fucked up her romance or maybe becoming a Lich fails automatically. All the girls don’t take well to you becoming a pile of bones.
@@Jarredpearman having my first run as azata with lann in the party all game made it very easy to throw him away for wenduag on second playthrough. Trust me, an entire run of listening to lann makes you really really not like him
hey can you tell me what are the starting stats for sylvan sorc ? thanks
14 STR, so we can have some melee prowess, especially early game, by attacking with a reach weapon after Greasing the enemies. Plus Lich has loads of melee support buffs & abilities while retaining full merged casting.
14 CON, to give decent HP. It is true that Lich later one has HP scale off CHA, but that is extremely game game, and we still have super CHA from being a Sorcerer anyways.
12 DEX
10 INT
10 WIS
19 CHA as our main attribute, ending at 24 from level up, but way higher with buffs and gear boosts.
@@cRPGBro thank you bro
ps: like your builds
I have a negative channeling herald caller (vampire-cleric) to summon undead. I'm hoping this works with litch
It can work, but Lich gets far stronger ways of healing undead allies and even normal party members through the buff Blessing of Unlife.
I should have specified. I was using negative channeling for crowd control. While my summons hold the line, my cleric deals negative damage to everything from back. With selective channeling.
The tank uses dazzling display.
And the archer picks off the stragglers.
I got deadly magic first on my pure sorcerer lich, every mini boss or even real boss I just instantly baleful polymorph and turn them into a dog bwahaha. Even Xanthir the plagued one who mastered polymorphing his entire essence into a swarm of locusts was not immune to being turned into a dog first turn. Maybe it trivialized the fight but hey I went lich for ultimate power lol
Sounds like a fun combo! I also had a lot of fun making Ember turn Demon Lords into small animals through Animal Servant Hex.
Deadly Magic can truly help a lot the pure caster Liches that don't want to go the Fighter/Mage route.
Any recommendations to how to distribute stats in the beginning?
14 STR
12 DEX
14 CON
19 INT
10 WIS
10 CHA
if Wizard or Brown Fur.
Otherwise 19 CHA instead of INT if Sylvan Sorcerer.
For Brown Fur, you can also dump WIS to 8 for 12 CHA.
@@cRPGBro Oh wow! That was a swift answer, thank you ^^
I'm kind of baffled by the Sylvan Sorcerer build. That guy is going to be low bab to level 20 and he has a load of melee feats. He also has a merged spell book. Would he not just be better off in the backline casting all his lich and necro spells?
I'm aware that you can stack ab and you can reach that pinnacle once per rest for a certain amount of rounds because of Daeran and domain shenanigans. But, let's say you're doing a regular dungeon like Blackwater where there are lots of encounters. You can't cast guarded hearth over and over, you only have a certain amount of the other ones like inspiring command. Would it not make more sense for the spells guy to sit in the back casting?
I haven't finished the game with a Lich so I don't really know, it just doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like trying to build ember to be a dex tank. You could do that I guess but I don't get it.
Well, you also have a limited amount of Lich spell casts, even with Abundant Line.
The nature of stacking buffs means you don't really need to always have the low duration/limited ones like Guarded Hearth against most battles/trash mobs to hit even with a low BAB char, plus it's a lot easier to get bonuses to melee AB than ranged AB (especially with your Dog tripping foes all over).
Ideally you would indeed focus on Exsanguinate, Feast of Blood & Negative Eruption against tough battles/stacked battles with many enemies.
However, you are still able to handle trash mobs/leftover enemies just fine by attacking them when needed. It's mostly for versatility and that warm feeling in knowing your character doesn't have to pretend to attack with a crappy crossbow etc. when not casting a spell, or the worst, a crappy 1d3 Cantrip.
And Wrath is a game with quite a LOT of trash mobs.
Another reason is that there is basically no cost to it at all, because in the end, the Lich spells don't really require Spell Penetration, Spell Focus and so on, so you are left with a lot of free feats to spend elsewhere.
@@cRPGBro I think the cleric domain ones are a big deal. I can see where you are coming from and not having those pen/focus feats. I would still rather that guy be sitting the back. Maybe I am too trad in my perspective. That said For a lot of Chapter 3 you could be at mythic 3. And those feats might be good then. And your spells to me seem to have a lot more casts than your domain abilities. Lich is not completed content for me though so its a rubber neck perspective I'm giving. My finishes have been, slayer/vivi/legend, wizard/angel, mutation warrior/demon.
@@cRPGBro how do you survive the early game on the Sylvan sorc build without spell casting feats?
@@codydamm9530 2 pets and grease are the secret here. (that beeing said: I usually have Seelah go 1 level beast rider because I want her on a mastodon..that's just personal preference and likely not "optimal" but it comes with the added benefit of having the pet from level 2 onwards. That + your smilodon / wolf / what ever you want and the early game almost plays itself on core difficulty.
Hard cases get greased up doorways and that's usually all she wrote.
That quantity of mythic spells dwpends on what? I play melee lich and can cast only one vampire sword per a day))) monk sohei+mutation warrior
Hi there, it depends on if you merged your spellbook or not.
By default, all Mythics get very low spells/day.
However, Angel & Lich can merge their spellbooks with either full divine or full arcane classes.
This way you add your Mythic Spells to your class spellbook, meaning a lot more spells/day and much faster spellcasting progression.
For Lich, you can merge with Sorcerer, Wizard & Witch.
Angel can merge with Oracle, Cleric, Shaman and Druid.
Not 100% sure but I think you're reading Doom to Servitude wrong.
Sure there is a save but it looks like it only negates the instant damage. It doesn't negate the ongoing damage or the effect.
At least that's how i read it. I haven't tried it myself.
It's more that I don't really see a point into wasting a high level slot for it, when you could just cast Repurpose for the reanimation part.
Otherwise I'd rather leave it for another powerful spell if you wanted the damage part!
Yes to undead companions please
Kestoglyr can certainly be very powerful but sadly you get him pretty late.
Delamere is decent and Ciar is great because of Cavalier.
I will eventually make a guide for the undead companions then, thanks for the comment!
@@cRPGBro playing on core, close to end of act 4 (i Think?) do only have the three first companions.
I personalet really like delemare, ofc she is just another archer doing archer things but she does what she does well and is often my second highest dmg dealer (next to MC) and ye ciar is just a boon to the entire team.
I Think i managed to salvage stauton somewhat, gave him a level in primalist and went into dragon desciple just to give his stats some boost, also gave him the free companion, it’s rather weak but does help him a bit.
What would be the perfect party composition, custom chars included, for unfair ofc
1. Paladin for Mark of Justice + pet.
2. Skald for Rage Powers to party and great buffs. Have to get a merc.
3. Cleric for Domains + pet.
4. Spirit Hunter like Camellia is for Hexes (Protective Luck & Fortune Hex heavily shift Unfair towards the player) & great buffs + decent melee.
I'd say the ones above are must haves for Unfair (of course you don't 100% need them, but they will make your life 100x easier).
5. For this slot I would go with Demonslayer Ranger or Divine Hound Hunter focused on Bow/Dual Throwing Axes. Both have pets, great feats for free, high FE bonuses or Judgment for both char + pet. And they also have decent spellcasting for buffs and heals.
6. Now, as far as main character, if you want Lich, then I imagine the best one for this group would be Sylvan Sorcerer for early pet + early Grease/Glitterdust spam and spontaneous Lich spellbook with full arcane casting + end game synergy with high CHA.
@@cRPGBro Early game is easy mode. Sellah sylvan sorc with leopard pet with protective luck and her with 2h and true strike is pure cheating. Get an alchemist merc just for early levels if needed. I just want to know what's the best version of a necro with the best endgame melee. Tanking and offensive. I just want him to be a total beast, with the party you said.
Cavalier Lich build any good?
I have not tried one yet, but a Cavalier can benefit from the Lich Power "Deadly Rush" for 1d6 extra damage per Lich Rank when using Charge.
I don't think it will be as powerful as a Cavalier Trickster though - Lich is far better with a merged caster like any full arcane, just like Angel is way better for full divine casters.
Merging spellbooks is very strong, but melee characters or non full casters can't do it.
Quais atributos iniciais tu começou?
14 STR, 12 DEX, 14 CON, 19 INT/CHA.
sadly tainted sneack attack sucks a lot due to not procing on ray spell.... awefull. Decaying touch can make for one hell of a nastly monk lich.
Disappointed to hear it won't proc for Rays, which would be great for caster Liches.
Interesting to know about Monk, Monk Lich never really crossed my mind before!
@@cRPGBro yeah it not working with rays must be a bug, its so sad. So i repeced into a monk and that is pretty damn good. The punches deal insane damage, good ac and the lich spells are still pretty solid even when not within a merged spellbook. Its a bit out there flavor wise but mechanicly its pretty fine.
I'm thinking of going 15 levels eldritch scion magus. 3 gendarme for feats and dazzling display for free and 1 Sylvan for a sorcerer feat and possible extra level for my mount
It can be done indeed!
It's just a pity that Magus cannot merge with Lich, so you'll get the separate spellbook with very slow progression.
I would personally just go Arcane Rider Magus for pet + more mounted combat feats, I have a guide for it here:
ua-cam.com/video/dTlGa1mXa20/v-deo.html
@@cRPGBro Magus can't merge with lich?
is it possible to play as a knife master rogue as a lich?
Possible yes.
But I wouldn't say it is optimal, because not going as a merged Lich will result in a massive loss of caster level and spellcasting progression!
@@cRPGBro i would pay you to make a lich rogue build, 100 usd. paypal upfront let me know. :-)
That armor class!! How?
Gotta stack as the sources we can! 😁
I have a guide for general AC stacking here: ua-cam.com/video/3EfIhFEJaNk/v-deo.html
Tô fazendo essa build, mas 1 Aldorai Defender/Wizard 5/Hell Signifier 3/EK resto.
Não sou muito fã da redução de progressão nos levels de magia ao pegar 1 level de Aldori, até porque já perdemos 1 com EK.
Mas certamente funciona considerando o merge com as magias de Lich!
Eu tô fazendo mais pelo temático, mesmo. Dhampir Lawful Evil. Eu até fiz o "Scaled Fist + Sorcerer" mas eu percebi que não curto jogar de Sorcerer, prefiro preparar os spells pra cada ocasião. Vício de mesa de quem só jogava de Mago Batman (cheio do preparo kk)
This was pretty hard to follow. I know you put a lot of work into this, but you can't expect players with less knowledge of this game to understand this all. Yes, the game is complex, but this lacks a proper flow to it. I really want to build this, but I have no idea where to start, plus, following this format (a video) during gameplay is quite a challenge. Perhaps a spreadsheet would make things easier.
I apologize, as it was still one of my earlier videos.
I'll try to make a better explained one for the Enhanced Edition.
Why is it when you tend to say something is "useless" you always follow it up by quoting an ideal build? For example, you can't spam as many mythic spells if you're unable to merge, therefore something like the ability to transform damage int9 negative energy becomes much more useful for utility
You're compromising your own content with these statements, even if you do state they are your opinion. Rather than constantly stating your opinion, speak on the subject objectively first, then feel free to add your thoughts
Maybe don't spoil the final boss of a game some people haven't finished yet.
Apologies for that.
I have edited that part out and youtube will soon update the video.