The thing I really missed was the fun. I like the fun attitude of the models in the old shows. They were smiling, their movement was a bit more playful than in other fashion shows and it seemed more like a big party. Now all the models looked so serious and some very annoyed like they didn't wanna be there. And like you said, the outfits were very basic and not so glamourous and creative like they were before. The themes were one of the best things about the show. I was a really big fan of the show. This year's one was just a very big dissappointment.
Collections didn't have themes. Color is no theme. It made clothes boring, uninspired. For example how interesting were collections inspired by Scotland in 2006, ballet in 2008 and 2011, butterflies in 2014 and so on. No inspiration this year. Just a bunch of pink and red underwear with feathers and glitter. Boring.
VS before held a niche that no-one else had. In a world where women were constantly told to be cool and tough, they allowed natural femininity to still exist. The glamour, the joyful and sensual, but not vulgar vibe. They were called angels for a reason. I am not saying old VS was perfect - clearly, there were problems with the leaders. But honestly, it was probably VS that helped me a lot in embracing my feminine and softer side, in a world that constantly told me that anything 'girly' is vain and wrong. Now, they are like any other brand - or worse, they are a cheap copy of any other brand. Less sensual/more 'comfortable'. Girlpower, being tough, moody, and a little too sexualised. And missing the glamour, the iconic uniform hairstyle, and actually cool wings.
@@branthlysauveur359I keep seeing people like you whinge about how toxic it was to get to that size when no one has the same complaints about athletes for the Olympics or something. Be quiet.
Tyra I wouldn’t say was really bashing the plus sized girls she was just being real tbh. Not saying some stuff she said and did wasn’t problematic, but I think she was just being honest on how the industry is. She in my opinion actually was defending the bigger girls more. Janice Dickinson was the one I would say who was being more rude towards the bigger girls.
@@maddienoelle22 Not with regard to plus-size contestants. In fact, Tyra actually defended some. I mean, the fact that she even brought on plus-size contestants was significant. On the other hand, Janice Dickinson, a top model in the 70's and 80's, was often needlessly harsh and unnecessary with her words. However, she was being real about the industry on the whole : they wanted the standard size models.
Yeah Victoria Secret was only adding plus size women and trans women to please the fans. They clearly didn't want them in the show. I've never watched Victoria Secret because of things they've said in the past and this new show didn't make me any less upset with them. I'm a lesbian and love all women regardless of appearance, as I prefer personality. Seeing this show and the hate against the models by people watching really upset me and disappointed me Great video Annalise. I love these new types of videos you're doing recently ❤🏳️🌈
Honestly.. I know a TON of plus sized people, including myself, that all say “I don’t want to see someone like me, I want to see the classic angels”. I didn’t like this show and part of it is because “diversity and inclusion” that is forced. Just leave it how it was, please.
I used to love the VS show. It's a lingerie show for women. I want to see the human goddesses who won the genetic lottery. long legs, lean figures, gorgeous bouncy hair, glowing skin. Inclusivity is all fine and good but not here. Just because a person is pretty doesn't make them a model. Everyone wants to be a model these days but true models are rare. They are the perfect freaks of nature. These are the people I want to see on the runway! Not normal folks.
Finally somoene said it.. I completely agree with you and I used to adore seeing the ultimate jaw dropping feminine beauty and in my mind it's always been related to VS shows
@@shaimaferchichi1946 Yeah, this video was picking on the wrong things imo. They’re called “Angels” for a reason, they’re supposed to be unrealistically beautiful. The most coveted spot for the most beautiful women in the world. That’s part of the glamor. Yes obviously everyone deserves to feel beautiful and sexy, but that’s the thing, this was never about the consumer, as you couldn’t buy the majority of the stuff shown on the runway. It’s about the models themselves. Adriana, Alessandra, Tyra, Heidi, Gisele, Karolina, we knew their names and we admired THEM. It was never really about the clothes, but how flawless and mesmerizing the models were. That’s where the magic was. Not in ordinary people, it’s not about us 😂
PS I met Ashley Graham at an event. She’s a very tall, very proportionate utterly flawless woman. She is STRIKING in person and no one could stop staring at her beauty. In person she’s very strong and very statuesque - nothing about her looks obese or anything close to it.
😂 Tyra being the plus size model is such Karma! 😂 I didn't even know this was happening 🤔 Even if I had known...I wouldn't have watched because...who cares ...😂 Clearly, not me! love your views on this! 💯
Tyra looked like a witch on the runway tbh. She looked beautiful in her interview about the vs show but wdf was up with that outfit and hair for the show😑
Tyra said she would change it if it were up to her. It's not her fault that's how the industry was. For me, with Tyra also having curves and not stick-thin (like myself 😩- don't forget thin girls have weight/body insecurities too, a lot of us don't have a choice about it), and walking the runway, is iconic because that's exactly the type of body that you never saw back when she was in Top Model. She may have been problematic for other reasons, but she's always been a plus-sized body according to the high-fashion model industry and only gave the hopeful models a hard time because she was giving them the hard truth of the industry, not her personal feelings on weight. She even said that's why she wasn't a model.
Also, when you're told something your whole life, you will eventually start believing it, without even knowing why or realising you have fallen into that mental trap.
What's really funny is people like you hating on the show and wondering why it's not like it used to be and then not realizing that YOU are the problem. I don't condone the actions of that horrible man, but he's right in saying this is a fantasy. It used to be one of the best shows to watch and participate in because it wasn't for everybody and that's okay. The point of the Angels is that they are the pinnacle of perfection that few achieve. They work hard to look that way and they inspire awe. I'm sorry but I don't need to see "myself" represented because I'm happy and love myself as I am. If this makes you insecure then clearly it's not for you. What y'all fail to realize is that there are things that are not going to be for everyone and then you demand it changes and ruin it for the rest of us that had no problem with it and then y'all end up hating on it too because they didn't speficially do it the way you demanded. It's truly ironic. It has a place in 2024 and beyond, but those of you that wanted to change it from what it was needed to find your own thing and not mess it up for those of us who were already fans. I don't know why they pandered to y'all in the first place. Now it's ruined for all of us. THANKS.
You summed the situation up perfectly. They ruined something we loved and only for them to still hate it. And now it’s forever changed and they’ll just struggle their shoulders then go off to find something else to be unhappy with and “fix”.
It was a failure because this wasn’t the VS Fashion Show that they used to know. They’re not aware of the show’s creator and disgraced former VS executive Ed Razek was fired due to sexual misconduct and harassment and inappropriate workplace behavior. Razek was responsible for several concepts for the VS Fashion Show, including the Fantasy Bra and the PINK segment. He does that in a way to attract male audiences, as well as teens and young adults.
Diversity and Inclusivity has ruined every show that is supposed to show beautiful women. It did with this fashion show and with the Miss Universe. If I want to see everyday people represented I can go to the supermarket.
The fact that after watching the VS show I restarted doing cardio at home says everything that needs to be said. It can motivate you if you don’t have a toxic relationship with your body but it can trigger young women with body dysmorphia and pressure them to look like these models.
Same. I've been rewatching their old shows and was suprised they were actually already very diverse and only became more so with each show. That wasn't enough for these people that ruined it.
Victoria's secret is a dying brand, if you want a more premium brand with innovative designs, products, and modern representation stick to Savage x Fenty. They also had a great show, and use plenty of lgbt+ and other diverse models.
You didn’t even get into the founder and previous CEO (until 2020) of L-Brands. His name is Les Wexner and he (and L-Brands) was the primary client of Jeffrey Epstein. It is believed that Wexner was also involved in Epstein’s sex trafficking. Epstein even molested some of the Victoria’s Secret models in the 90’s. You could honestly probably do a whole video about this. I’m from Columbus, Ohio, where Wexner grew up and built his business and where the headquarters of L-Brands and Victoria’s Secret still reside today. It’s insane the amount of stuff that is named after him in Columbus. The hospital at the university that I went to is even named after him. And that university (Ohio State) is one of the biggest in the country. I think Wexner still lives in a suburb of Columbus to this day. He’s pretty infamous where I’m from.
As a curvy girl, I so appreciate you talking about that part, especially who the comments really hurt. It's still a daily challenge to love myself, even when I have clothes that make me feel cute, even more when people keep bashing on size.
The reality is the consumer isn't demanding inclusivity. A small but loud segment of the internet population is but that doesn't translate to sales. They went more inclusive by cutting ties and getting rid of the angels for years and their sales tanked. The majority of negative comments about the show casting were having overweight and trans models at all - not that there weren't enough of them. It's unfortunate people can't just watch and enjoy the parts they like but the reality is inclusivity, and body diversity is not truly translating to sales from a marketing perspective.
This is just not true. Size inclusivity and diversity is the main reason why Aerie took over the market and VS lost sales. VS refused to change with the times and Aerie took advantage of the changing market. I don’t know a single woman under 40 who doesn’t prefer to see a larger range of sizes actually being modeled on a clothing website. Young people have rejected the toxic obsession with being thin that left so many women with eating disorders and mental health conditions in the 90’s and 00’s.
@@maddienoelle22 Very few people have restrictive eating disorders compared to the number of people who consume too much and are overweight and obese. These are grown adults who grew up in the 90s and 00s and it's not toxic standards that caused the real issue which is going to begin negatively affecting their life now but over-eating and not taking responsibility. Aerie took over the market because it appealed to younger women with the styles when Victoria Secret wasn't. And just because people want to see styles shown when shopping on-line in different body types does not mean it works for marketing. Conventionally attractive women get more clicks in advertising of all forms which drives more people to the site. Body diversity on social media pages though, does not work.
Interesting, I mean not everyone has the same fashion sense. So some people will like the show and some people will clearly not. It’s all subjective anyway.
This show was malicious compliance on VS part. “You asked for inclusivity. You were sliding down the walls and throwing up because you said it made you feel bad. Well, here you go! Exactly what you asked for.”😂
I also agree it’s weird that Tyra Banks, who helped perpetuate and uphold the beauty standards is now reaping the benefits of our hard work and progression. The body positive movement could’ve been here a lot sooner had she used her platform responsibly. Just my two cents …
Diversity in modeling doesn't make any sense, a models job is to be thin and beautiful, you can put plus size women there but noone truly sees them as real models cause they're not. It's like you would let people who can't act play in top hollywood movies, it's like you would let people who can't play football be in the national team, not everything is for everyone and if you try to make everything for everyone then it turns out bad, it's not art anymore
I adored the yearly Victoria's Secret Fashion show during the peak-performance & profit years & always set aside work/play to view the iconic Angels 😇😍 it was a thrill 🦚🦚🦚😍 ... It was also very sad when the show, along with all the Angels were cast out. All of the abuse & unrealistic expectations needed to be stopped - no arguments there 🌹 But last year's show( 2023 ), was a bit bizarre to me 😳😵💫😬. I can say I did enjoy this one more( 2024 ), but it was obvious that most of the budget went into the Original Model's pockets and demands for Daughter spotlighting was non-negotiable 😕 I did appreciate that both older and newer models were showcased - petite and plus sizes too - I honestly thought every single woman looked very healthy & very beautiful ❤️❤️ ... Personally, it's always been odd for me to hear SO MANY women say that when they see Models on the Runway, or even just Beautiful Women in passing, they're filled with insecurity & indignation. From a very young age, for some unknown reason, I've looked at pretty friends, classmates, models, actresses and artists with adoration and even drawn inspiration from them. The beautiful girl next door and the ethereal princess on the big screen are not the reason my belly has a jiggle or my skin is breaking out- and even if these physical flaws are not my fault, not the results of my daily dietary and disciplinary decisions, others are simply still not to blame. I think we as women need to choose to take care of ourselves rather than to claw and cast stones at those who do🦢🦢🦢
The outfits gave Shein and the ponytails gave bald. I liked the diversity (I am small enough to wear 0-2 so don’t if you are thinking of one of those you only like it bc you’re not thin comments- nope). I didn’t like how ugly and cheap all the costumes were. If they came in with the same level of budget they did from the early 2000s to early 2010s the show wouldn’t have been so embarrassing. I wear uniqlo camisoles tho so Im prolly not the target audience but I used to like tuning in for beautifully made garments too. Also I liked Mika’s walk ahaha. The actual movement part of the walk was fine and she looked good.
This is such a good video! VS had such a great opportunity to surprise fans with an actual plus size release and they did not. It's was super baiting to have two plus size models but offer nothing above a straight size xxl. And few items at that 😢
As a consumer, I do want to see the VS SUPERmodels walk the runway. I don’t think they did anything wrong with the lineup for this show. If more than half of the models were not traditional models, people would still complain
I mostly agree with you. I think it's the first step. Actually i fell in love with the more diverse models with bodies that represent the world and would actually for the first time ever consider to go into their stores. The woman (that might be trans, but are woman) absolutely amazing. If they really take the feedback and improve it i feel it can work. Also the (almost) natural hair wow i loved it! Tyla and Cher as performers awesome, the rest a bit boring. We should also take into account that men have a big influence on how woman should look like, that's what woman started to believe. Men do not dominate sales anymore, we are stronger then ever and we buy what we like. Not what a man likes. Tyra Banks i didn't even think about because it's that long ago, but that's a strong statement! Would love to see someone else next year. The questions of the interview they really should look forward to the future and not look at the past.
Lisa kinda hesitated answering that question. As a teen I admired the shows glamour and beautiful aesthetics. Like my friends at that age, all it inspired us to do was diet. As an adult, I never viewed their items as something I could wear even at 132lbs, 5ft 5in. The models almost seemed superhuman to me (but not ofc), bc they didn’t look like ANY woman I knew growing up. So I can understand that it’s “fantasy”. Yet there’s nothing very creative, inspiring about wearing lingerie with beautiful angel wings - that’s many girls’ Halloween costume. Not to compare, but with Savage x Fenty shows the creativity and representation is actually inspiring, for once many women can watch it and think “hey, I could wear that and feel great in it”. Maybe marketing “fantasy” worked in the early 2010s for VS, but consumer demand has changed and corporations need to keep up. Ashley Graham did not have to cover up, it sends a message that belongs back in the 2000s
If there were transgender models in the show, then they were NOT all women. That being said.... I just wonder why everybody has to bring out that they are transgender. Just be you! The ones shown in the video are beautiful and look like women. Let people think they are, no need to point it out. They are people before their gender. Just my thoughts.
Just want to preface this comment by saying that, while I am part of the queer community, I’m not trans. I would actually love to hear a trans person’s take on this. These are my thoughts, for whatever they are worth. Transgender women ARE women. Calling them “transgender” isn’t an insult. Transgender people exist. You can’t and shouldn’t erase the “transgender” from them. That’s part who they are and it’s nothing to be ashamed of nor taken away. Most trans people self identify as trans. Transgender is not a dirty word. I feel like your comment has good intentions but, unfortunately, comes across as a bit ignorant. Acknowledging that someone is transgender is not an insult, it’s literally acknowledging an intrinsic part of who they are. Not using the term “transgender” because you think it somehow dehumanizes a trans person equates to you thinking that being trans and acknowledging that you are trans is dehumanizing. It’s not. Being transgender is something that you should be able to be proud of, as a intrinsic part of your being. Acknowledging someone as transgender helps de stigmatize the word and normalize it as something that many people ARE. Again, we use the word “transgender” as a descriptive. Not using the literal term for what some people are born as erases a huge part of who they are and actually furthers stigma because it suggests that being transgender is something that shouldn’t be talked about or acknowledged.
I never watched vs but i wanted to be a model when i was little. The vs store at my mall went away in probably 2017 and i only bought one bra from there and i didnt like it. I think the brand is overrated
Not me wearing a 20 something year old Victoria's Secret nightgown while watching this. 😆 I didn't watch the fashion show and I haven't shopped there in years. I used to shop there all the time, but the quality has seriously gone down hill. I am not someone who is overly concerned with advertising or what models look like, I just want decent underwear at a decent price.
VS never had my size (except maybe when I was a preteen and my parents wouldn't let me shop there lol, plus it was expensive) so I never spent my money there. Plus, as a disabled person I hate that they flat out refuse to be more inclusive, so my wallet speaks for me. (I know they did have an adaptable line, but they never put us in the show. Rude.)
VS is closing in Birmingham one of the best known shopping centres and I'm not shocked. It's expensive and whilst it's worth it the projects are just the same and the marketing targets tiny frame and doesn't celebrate bigger curves!
I literally never wear bras with any kind of wire now. So uncomfortable, just bralettes 👌 I watched Lisa's performance but that's about it. Also great point about Tyra Banks, she has nerve appearing on this show.
Ya'll sound weak af. What is Tyra supposed to do? Lie to the women? Then they step on set at a photo shoot and get shredded by the photographer for being fat? She was prepping them for a cut throat industry not meant for everyone.
This show was a complete scam. They added a few girls (or body types, gender) to prevent backlash but overall it's just the continuation of what they already used to do in their previous shows
It’s never enough for woke people. It’s the same thing at school , why would you get jealous about someone who gets the highest grade when that person worked harder. It’s about the product, if the model makes you more interested in the product/ clothes, that means they are doing the job professionally, regardless their curves, colour, abs. As a male, seeing hot guys wearing sexy underwear makes me interested in trying the product. If a brand uses a model that is ugly for your taste, you dont even look at the clothes.
You clearly don’t understand that the market right now is one where women want to see beautiful women of all sizes model clothes. Like women in 2024 are legit more likely to buy clothes from a website that shows models who fit into a variety of sizes. Victoria’s Secret’s downfall is partially attributed to their refusal to use models of different sizes. Size does not define beauty. Ashley Graham is a great example of this.
I Believe giving everyone Wings is Victoria Secrets way of Saying you ALL deserve IT! all sizes, genders etc etc its their gift to the maybe revamping the brand and throwing out old ways from past controversy. I think its amazing now we get to see others dreams come true!
I feel like this is a step forward in my POV. There's a mix of the hotties, the fatties and trans. Overall bit of fixing a tweaking and I think VS will be back, but as once it was before.
Her Comeback was just a startup this time. I am patient to wait for something great coming up in the near future. Using trans and oversized models were to diversify / expand market shares!
I disagree that the show was not good I think it was great and finally they featured models with more different body shapes and also more mature models to ( they seamed to have retired before any models over 36 years old and they would have clientele woman in their 40-50 to and they showed this age group models witch I think is great to )
Its funny ...25 when i turned a quarter of a century, i went thru a whole thing cause i thought was old!!!!!........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......im 57 so believe me when i say that y9u will only grow too love yourself even more esp in 40s....... happy aging gracefully ladies!!!!!
I do agree with all critiques and opinions, however I’ll play the devil’s advocate and say that imo the possible reason behind the way they did this show was to do a safe comeback (considering what happened years ago), and once the initial feedback/approval is received make a “wow” show next time. Basically, I saw it as VS testing the waters
Victoria secret has never been for me, my 2 girlfriends are way to big😅 There is another brand over here that definitely has taken in inspiration from VC and I used to be able to buy some there, but it’s al made to be a lot tinier nowadays. If I would look at an E cup, those will sometimes not be bigger than a c cup. It’s horrible that so many girls and women have such a bad experience their whole lives with buying those things. Nowadays I love wearing tops and shirts that are sport clothing fabric and then even me with my G cup dares going braless. At home I wouldn’t even dare to wear one, the torture….😂
You may have got the plus size and Trains gender models, BUT you missed out on ALL the difference nationalities.... This year, there were so many models from so many countries you didn't mention anything about. OR the older models. If your going review something do it all specially the dam models.....
I just have this feeling that by giving everyone wings, it was Victoria's Secret's passive way of saying "Okay so just anyone gets wings? 🙄" and the model with no wings was their attitude on the matter because they are shallow, stubborn and only doing it begrudgingly.
For me the hairstyles and a lot of the wings of the models werre really missing something
I completely agree with you!
I completely agree with you that something was missing!
Hair missed movement, wings missed feathers
The fact that we have biologically born men on the runway doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah there’s not enough moving elements to add that bounce and drama to accentuate the model walk
The fact that they turned off comments on the official channel's upload says alot.
It was giving mall fashion show with costume walmart wings
The thing I really missed was the fun. I like the fun attitude of the models in the old shows. They were smiling, their movement was a bit more playful than in other fashion shows and it seemed more like a big party. Now all the models looked so serious and some very annoyed like they didn't wanna be there.
And like you said, the outfits were very basic and not so glamourous and creative like they were before. The themes were one of the best things about the show.
I was a really big fan of the show. This year's one was just a very big dissappointment.
Collections didn't have themes. Color is no theme. It made clothes boring, uninspired. For example how interesting were collections inspired by Scotland in 2006, ballet in 2008 and 2011, butterflies in 2014 and so on. No inspiration this year. Just a bunch of pink and red underwear with feathers and glitter. Boring.
I got bored with the repetitive tribal/ethnic themes of the previous years.
there was no ballet in 2008. It was flower inspired lol.
@@realchocochoco first model, Doutzen literally had tutu inspired skirt with flowers on it
This is such a good point!!
I was missing the Fantasy bra, which was always the high light in the Shows.
Yes!
Yes!!!...give us the ART
After this dump of a show I went back and watched 4 hours of older shows just to feel something
VS before held a niche that no-one else had. In a world where women were constantly told to be cool and tough, they allowed natural femininity to still exist. The glamour, the joyful and sensual, but not vulgar vibe. They were called angels for a reason.
I am not saying old VS was perfect - clearly, there were problems with the leaders. But honestly, it was probably VS that helped me a lot in embracing my feminine and softer side, in a world that constantly told me that anything 'girly' is vain and wrong.
Now, they are like any other brand - or worse, they are a cheap copy of any other brand. Less sensual/more 'comfortable'. Girlpower, being tough, moody, and a little too sexualised. And missing the glamour, the iconic uniform hairstyle, and actually cool wings.
you hit the nail on the head!!
in what world was the message to be natural when they were going on solid food diets
@@branthlysauveur359I keep seeing people like you whinge about how toxic it was to get to that size when no one has the same complaints about athletes for the Olympics or something. Be quiet.
@LoveK1 still not natural lol
@@branthlysauveur359 'natural femininity'. Don't try to twist my words, you know what I mean. ;)
Tyra looking like a plus size model!
I dunno, we asked for inclusivity, they gave it to us, and we keep complaining.
She gotten bigger
Naaaaa we don't males with dicks !!!!!!!!!!!!
i think its because we can tell when their hearts in it like Fenty, or when they are doing it begrudgingly for money.
I draw the line at bigger woman but we had a biological man on the runway now that wrong
It was boring. Missing something integral
Tyra I wouldn’t say was really bashing the plus sized girls she was just being real tbh. Not saying some stuff she said and did wasn’t problematic, but I think she was just being honest on how the industry is. She in my opinion actually was defending the bigger girls more. Janice Dickinson was the one I would say who was being more rude towards the bigger girls.
Yes, I would agree. But Tyra still said some pretty horrible stuff.
Yes 👍
@@maddienoelle22
Not with regard to plus-size contestants. In fact, Tyra actually defended some. I mean, the fact that she even brought on plus-size contestants was significant.
On the other hand, Janice Dickinson, a top model in the 70's and 80's, was often needlessly harsh and unnecessary with her words. However, she was being real about the industry on the whole : they wanted the standard size models.
@@maddienoelle22 No, that was all Janice.
Tyra picked the plus size girls so to say that she was against plus size is false
Yeah Victoria Secret was only adding plus size women and trans women to please the fans. They clearly didn't want them in the show. I've never watched Victoria Secret because of things they've said in the past and this new show didn't make me any less upset with them. I'm a lesbian and love all women regardless of appearance, as I prefer personality. Seeing this show and the hate against the models by people watching really upset me and disappointed me
Great video Annalise. I love these new types of videos you're doing recently ❤🏳️🌈
Honestly.. I know a TON of plus sized people, including myself, that all say “I don’t want to see someone like me, I want to see the classic angels”. I didn’t like this show and part of it is because “diversity and inclusion” that is forced. Just leave it how it was, please.
I agree, it´s forced.
I'm not saying it's right, but i missed the unattainability of it all.
I appreciate hearing your perspective
Exactly...I want the fantasy.
If I wanted to see cellulitis, sagging tits, and a lumpy booty, Id look in the mirror. I wonder who lied to them...
I used to love the VS show. It's a lingerie show for women. I want to see the human goddesses who won the genetic lottery. long legs, lean figures, gorgeous bouncy hair, glowing skin.
Inclusivity is all fine and good but not here. Just because a person is pretty doesn't make them a model. Everyone wants to be a model these days but true models are rare. They are the perfect freaks of nature. These are the people I want to see on the runway! Not normal folks.
Finally somoene said it.. I completely agree with you and I used to adore seeing the ultimate jaw dropping feminine beauty and in my mind it's always been related to VS shows
@@shaimaferchichi1946 Yeah, this video was picking on the wrong things imo. They’re called “Angels” for a reason, they’re supposed to be unrealistically beautiful. The most coveted spot for the most beautiful women in the world. That’s part of the glamor. Yes obviously everyone deserves to feel beautiful and sexy, but that’s the thing, this was never about the consumer, as you couldn’t buy the majority of the stuff shown on the runway. It’s about the models themselves. Adriana, Alessandra, Tyra, Heidi, Gisele, Karolina, we knew their names and we admired THEM. It was never really about the clothes, but how flawless and mesmerizing the models were. That’s where the magic was. Not in ordinary people, it’s not about us 😂
PS I met Ashley Graham at an event. She’s a very tall, very proportionate utterly flawless woman. She is STRIKING in person and no one could stop staring at her beauty. In person she’s very strong and very statuesque - nothing about her looks obese or anything close to it.
She’s gorgeous. I wish they had let her shine more in the show and not cover her up
She looks fit and great
She still fat even if she losed so much weight since her debutes
She's not a plus size woman at all.
Y’all will never be satisfied 😒
True but everyone has their own opinions 😊.
@@jaderivers8939and not all
opinions are correct lol
They literally got the show ruined with their crying and complaining and they’re STILL unsatisfied.
😂 Tyra being the plus size model is such Karma! 😂 I didn't even know this was happening 🤔 Even if I had known...I wouldn't have watched because...who cares ...😂 Clearly, not me! love your views on this! 💯
Tyra looked like a witch on the runway tbh. She looked beautiful in her interview about the vs show but wdf was up with that outfit and hair for the show😑
Tyra said she would change it if it were up to her. It's not her fault that's how the industry was. For me, with Tyra also having curves and not stick-thin (like myself 😩- don't forget thin girls have weight/body insecurities too, a lot of us don't have a choice about it), and walking the runway, is iconic because that's exactly the type of body that you never saw back when she was in Top Model. She may have been problematic for other reasons, but she's always been a plus-sized body according to the high-fashion model industry and only gave the hopeful models a hard time because she was giving them the hard truth of the industry, not her personal feelings on weight. She even said that's why she wasn't a model.
Also, when you're told something your whole life, you will eventually start believing it, without even knowing why or realising you have fallen into that mental trap.
What's really funny is people like you hating on the show and wondering why it's not like it used to be and then not realizing that YOU are the problem. I don't condone the actions of that horrible man, but he's right in saying this is a fantasy. It used to be one of the best shows to watch and participate in because it wasn't for everybody and that's okay. The point of the Angels is that they are the pinnacle of perfection that few achieve. They work hard to look that way and they inspire awe. I'm sorry but I don't need to see "myself" represented because I'm happy and love myself as I am. If this makes you insecure then clearly it's not for you. What y'all fail to realize is that there are things that are not going to be for everyone and then you demand it changes and ruin it for the rest of us that had no problem with it and then y'all end up hating on it too because they didn't speficially do it the way you demanded. It's truly ironic. It has a place in 2024 and beyond, but those of you that wanted to change it from what it was needed to find your own thing and not mess it up for those of us who were already fans. I don't know why they pandered to y'all in the first place. Now it's ruined for all of us. THANKS.
Well said!!! I always found the fashion show fun and motivational. Not just in fitness, but other aspects of life.
You summed the situation up perfectly. They ruined something we loved and only for them to still hate it. And now it’s forever changed and they’ll just struggle their shoulders then go off to find something else to be unhappy with and “fix”.
It was a failure because this wasn’t the VS Fashion Show that they used to know.
They’re not aware of the show’s creator and disgraced former VS executive Ed Razek was fired due to sexual misconduct and harassment and inappropriate workplace behavior.
Razek was responsible for several concepts for the VS Fashion Show, including the Fantasy Bra and the PINK segment. He does that in a way to attract male audiences, as well as teens and young adults.
Why does America promote obesity now? You don't see this in Europe.
I think we're starting to wake up
Diversity and Inclusivity has ruined every show that is supposed to show beautiful women. It did with this fashion show and with the Miss Universe. If I want to see everyday people represented I can go to the supermarket.
A comment that makes full sense.
😂😂😂😂😂
I completely agree
Couldn't agree more!
Exactly!!!!
The fact that after watching the VS show I restarted doing cardio at home says everything that needs to be said. It can motivate you if you don’t have a toxic relationship with your body but it can trigger young women with body dysmorphia and pressure them to look like these models.
Tyra never bodyshamed the girls. That was Janice. She was always a plus-sized model herself. Y'all need to leave Tyra alone.
The only inclusivity I want to see on the VS runway is racial diversity. It's supposed to be a beautiful fantasy of fit stunning women. I miss that
Exactly!! Women fit women of all races.
@@brionyyoutube YES
Same. I've been rewatching their old shows and was suprised they were actually already very diverse and only became more so with each show. That wasn't enough for these people that ruined it.
Just say you’re fat phobic and move on. There’s no reason that plus sized models and trans women can’t be part of a beautiful fantasy.
@@maddienoelle22 Just say you're not a customer and move on and let the rest of us enjoy it. 👍
Victoria's secret is a dying brand, if you want a more premium brand with innovative designs, products, and modern representation stick to Savage x Fenty. They also had a great show, and use plenty of lgbt+ and other diverse models.
Also love your videos
When I found out the CEO of VS was a man I was like no wonder they only do push ups 😂 ofc a man in charge of bras would do that
pfff yeah no i want a push up bra. stop the bralette nonsense
You didn’t even get into the founder and previous CEO (until 2020) of L-Brands. His name is Les Wexner and he (and L-Brands) was the primary client of Jeffrey Epstein. It is believed that Wexner was also involved in Epstein’s sex trafficking. Epstein even molested some of the Victoria’s Secret models in the 90’s. You could honestly probably do a whole video about this.
I’m from Columbus, Ohio, where Wexner grew up and built his business and where the headquarters of L-Brands and Victoria’s Secret still reside today. It’s insane the amount of stuff that is named after him in Columbus. The hospital at the university that I went to is even named after him. And that university (Ohio State) is one of the biggest in the country. I think Wexner still lives in a suburb of Columbus to this day. He’s pretty infamous where I’m from.
As a curvy girl, I so appreciate you talking about that part, especially who the comments really hurt. It's still a daily challenge to love myself, even when I have clothes that make me feel cute, even more when people keep bashing on size.
The reality is the consumer isn't demanding inclusivity. A small but loud segment of the internet population is but that doesn't translate to sales. They went more inclusive by cutting ties and getting rid of the angels for years and their sales tanked. The majority of negative comments about the show casting were having overweight and trans models at all - not that there weren't enough of them. It's unfortunate people can't just watch and enjoy the parts they like but the reality is inclusivity, and body diversity is not truly translating to sales from a marketing perspective.
This is just not true. Size inclusivity and diversity is the main reason why Aerie took over the market and VS lost sales. VS refused to change with the times and Aerie took advantage of the changing market. I don’t know a single woman under 40 who doesn’t prefer to see a larger range of sizes actually being modeled on a clothing website. Young people have rejected the toxic obsession with being thin that left so many women with eating disorders and mental health conditions in the 90’s and 00’s.
@@maddienoelle22 Very few people have restrictive eating disorders compared to the number of people who consume too much and are overweight and obese. These are grown adults who grew up in the 90s and 00s and it's not toxic standards that caused the real issue which is going to begin negatively affecting their life now but over-eating and not taking responsibility.
Aerie took over the market because it appealed to younger women with the styles when Victoria Secret wasn't. And just because people want to see styles shown when shopping on-line in different body types does not mean it works for marketing. Conventionally attractive women get more clicks in advertising of all forms which drives more people to the site. Body diversity on social media pages though, does not work.
Interesting, I mean not everyone has the same fashion sense. So some people will like the show and some people will clearly not. It’s all subjective anyway.
P.s., can’t say you no hate for the models when your argument against the show would literally exclude a lot of them lol.
P.s., all of the clips you showed weren’t even Tyra speaking lol. It’s not like she gets full control of a tv show.
This show was malicious compliance on VS part. “You asked for inclusivity. You were sliding down the walls and throwing up because you said it made you feel bad. Well, here you go! Exactly what you asked for.”😂
I also agree it’s weird that Tyra Banks, who helped perpetuate and uphold the beauty standards is now reaping the benefits of our hard work and progression. The body positive movement could’ve been here a lot sooner had she used her platform responsibly. Just my two cents …
this is why i love Savage x Fenty it's for all body type 🌟✨
Same here! ❤
Right! Something for everyone. And the production is so creative, well coordinated, innovative. VS, take notes
True 😊.
@@SereneQueen11VS had that before y’all came in and bullied them into changing.
Diversity in modeling doesn't make any sense, a models job is to be thin and beautiful, you can put plus size women there but noone truly sees them as real models cause they're not. It's like you would let people who can't act play in top hollywood movies, it's like you would let people who can't play football be in the national team, not everything is for everyone and if you try to make everything for everyone then it turns out bad, it's not art anymore
Mika is not mad, that's just how she walks in every show😅😅
I adored the yearly Victoria's Secret Fashion show during the peak-performance & profit years & always set aside work/play to view the iconic Angels 😇😍 it was a thrill 🦚🦚🦚😍 ... It was also very sad when the show, along with all the Angels were cast out. All of the abuse & unrealistic expectations needed to be stopped - no arguments there 🌹 But last year's show( 2023 ), was a bit bizarre to me 😳😵💫😬. I can say I did enjoy this one more( 2024 ), but it was obvious that most of the budget went into the Original Model's pockets and demands for Daughter spotlighting was non-negotiable 😕 I did appreciate that both older and newer models were showcased - petite and plus sizes too - I honestly thought every single woman looked very healthy & very beautiful ❤️❤️ ... Personally, it's always been odd for me to hear SO MANY women say that when they see Models on the Runway, or even just Beautiful Women in passing, they're filled with insecurity & indignation. From a very young age, for some unknown reason, I've looked at pretty friends, classmates, models, actresses and artists with adoration and even drawn inspiration from them. The beautiful girl next door and the ethereal princess on the big screen are not the reason my belly has a jiggle or my skin is breaking out- and even if these physical flaws are not my fault, not the results of my daily dietary and disciplinary decisions, others are simply still not to blame. I think we as women need to choose to take care of ourselves rather than to claw and cast stones at those who do🦢🦢🦢
The outfits gave Shein and the ponytails gave bald.
I liked the diversity (I am small enough to wear 0-2 so don’t if you are thinking of one of those you only like it bc you’re not thin comments- nope). I didn’t like how ugly and cheap all the costumes were. If they came in with the same level of budget they did from the early 2000s to early 2010s the show wouldn’t have been so embarrassing.
I wear uniqlo camisoles tho so Im prolly not the target audience but I used to like tuning in for beautifully made garments too.
Also I liked Mika’s walk ahaha. The actual movement part of the walk was fine and she looked good.
I would not say that it "failed", it simply lost it's former Spirit & Energy! They tried their best...
All people do is complain anymore and I’m so over it
BS. Inclusiveness should not bully into everywhere. Get your own trans show, or whatever.
Yes transgenders and plus size women shouldn’t be part of VS. that’s why the show failed. Stop pushing your narrative.
While they’re not perfect I loved the show! You can’t make me wear a bralette! I need the push up of an underwire bra! I’m excited for next show!
Tyra's performance was still great regardless her body transformation as she ages!
Frankly i would of loved to have seen some skin, wobble, stretchmarks. Reowr.
Without wings you can't be called an Angel. Insert "you're a demon" meme clip**
VS started out without wings.
This is such a good video! VS had such a great opportunity to surprise fans with an actual plus size release and they did not. It's was super baiting to have two plus size models but offer nothing above a straight size xxl. And few items at that 😢
Kate Moss doesnt look all that excited to be on there either.
As a consumer, I do want to see the VS SUPERmodels walk the runway. I don’t think they did anything wrong with the lineup for this show. If more than half of the models were not traditional models, people would still complain
I mostly agree with you. I think it's the first step. Actually i fell in love with the more diverse models with bodies that represent the world and would actually for the first time ever consider to go into their stores. The woman (that might be trans, but are woman) absolutely amazing. If they really take the feedback and improve it i feel it can work. Also the (almost) natural hair wow i loved it! Tyla and Cher as performers awesome, the rest a bit boring. We should also take into account that men have a big influence on how woman should look like, that's what woman started to believe. Men do not dominate sales anymore, we are stronger then ever and we buy what we like. Not what a man likes. Tyra Banks i didn't even think about because it's that long ago, but that's a strong statement! Would love to see someone else next year. The questions of the interview they really should look forward to the future and not look at the past.
Lisa kinda hesitated answering that question. As a teen I admired the shows glamour and beautiful aesthetics. Like my friends at that age, all it inspired us to do was diet. As an adult, I never viewed their items as something I could wear even at 132lbs, 5ft 5in. The models almost seemed superhuman to me (but not ofc), bc they didn’t look like ANY woman I knew growing up. So I can understand that it’s “fantasy”. Yet there’s nothing very creative, inspiring about wearing lingerie with beautiful angel wings - that’s many girls’ Halloween costume. Not to compare, but with Savage x Fenty shows the creativity and representation is actually inspiring, for once many women can watch it and think “hey, I could wear that and feel great in it”. Maybe marketing “fantasy” worked in the early 2010s for VS, but consumer demand has changed and corporations need to keep up. Ashley Graham did not have to cover up, it sends a message that belongs back in the 2000s
If there were transgender models in the show, then they were NOT all women. That being said.... I just wonder why everybody has to bring out that they are transgender. Just be you! The ones shown in the video are beautiful and look like women. Let people think they are, no need to point it out. They are people before their gender. Just my thoughts.
Just want to preface this comment by saying that, while I am part of the queer community, I’m not trans. I would actually love to hear a trans person’s take on this. These are my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.
Transgender women ARE women. Calling them “transgender” isn’t an insult. Transgender people exist. You can’t and shouldn’t erase the “transgender” from them. That’s part who they are and it’s nothing to be ashamed of nor taken away. Most trans people self identify as trans. Transgender is not a dirty word.
I feel like your comment has good intentions but, unfortunately, comes across as a bit ignorant. Acknowledging that someone is transgender is not an insult, it’s literally acknowledging an intrinsic part of who they are. Not using the term “transgender” because you think it somehow dehumanizes a trans person equates to you thinking that being trans and acknowledging that you are trans is dehumanizing. It’s not. Being transgender is something that you should be able to be proud of, as a intrinsic part of your being. Acknowledging someone as transgender helps de stigmatize the word and normalize it as something that many people ARE. Again, we use the word “transgender” as a descriptive. Not using the literal term for what some people are born as erases a huge part of who they are and actually furthers stigma because it suggests that being transgender is something that shouldn’t be talked about or acknowledged.
Are you a carpenter? Because you hit every nail on the head. (Except I would be PISSED as a model if even the performers got wings and I didn’t)
Tbh transgender women aren’t really women though I don’t see there is anything wrong saying that
100%
This ain’t the channel for either of you then. Bye 👋
I never watched vs but i wanted to be a model when i was little. The vs store at my mall went away in probably 2017 and i only bought one bra from there and i didnt like it. I think the brand is overrated
Not me wearing a 20 something year old Victoria's Secret nightgown while watching this. 😆 I didn't watch the fashion show and I haven't shopped there in years. I used to shop there all the time, but the quality has seriously gone down hill. I am not someone who is overly concerned with advertising or what models look like, I just want decent underwear at a decent price.
thought my screen had a dead pixel but I think its your camera
Thank you for not using the out dated word 💛 U da best x
I don't get what's so "inconic" about this show. Their designs are nothing special
VS never had my size (except maybe when I was a preteen and my parents wouldn't let me shop there lol, plus it was expensive) so I never spent my money there. Plus, as a disabled person I hate that they flat out refuse to be more inclusive, so my wallet speaks for me. (I know they did have an adaptable line, but they never put us in the show. Rude.)
Kind of grossed out by the number of comments on this video saying models shouldn't be diverse.
If Tyra was anti body positivity, why are all the featured clips of Janice Dickinson? 😂
I really liked Lisa's performance. She is quite popular, which the "older" (or old-minded) among us might not realize... Also Tyla looked really good.
It's taboo praising (low tier) Asian people. Most westerner high standard don't like it.
In my opinion was better than before, years ago every year we had almost the same story, this year it was a surprise and i am a fan of.
VS is closing in Birmingham one of the best known shopping centres and I'm not shocked. It's expensive and whilst it's worth it the projects are just the same and the marketing targets tiny frame and doesn't celebrate bigger curves!
I literally never wear bras with any kind of wire now. So uncomfortable, just bralettes 👌 I watched Lisa's performance but that's about it. Also great point about Tyra Banks, she has nerve appearing on this show.
😂😂😂 right
Far more comfortable and there’s a growing body of evidence that wearing underwires every day is correlated with breast cancer. 😬
Ya'll sound weak af. What is Tyra supposed to do? Lie to the women? Then they step on set at a photo shoot and get shredded by the photographer for being fat? She was prepping them for a cut throat industry not meant for everyone.
Lisa isn’t a good performer imo
She seems so scared on stage
@stuff1784 wow we must not have watched the same performance
This show was a complete scam. They added a few girls (or body types, gender) to prevent backlash but overall it's just the continuation of what they already used to do in their previous shows
Tyras shoes were cheap...cheaper than anything she wears in her personal lives. A heavy body & cheap shoes are dangerous mix
It’s never enough for woke people. It’s the same thing at school , why would you get jealous about someone who gets the highest grade when that person worked harder. It’s about the product, if the model makes you more interested in the product/ clothes, that means they are doing the job professionally, regardless their curves, colour, abs. As a male, seeing hot guys wearing sexy underwear makes me interested in trying the product. If a brand uses a model that is ugly for your taste, you dont even look at the clothes.
You clearly don’t understand that the market right now is one where women want to see beautiful women of all sizes model clothes. Like women in 2024 are legit more likely to buy clothes from a website that shows models who fit into a variety of sizes. Victoria’s Secret’s downfall is partially attributed to their refusal to use models of different sizes. Size does not define beauty. Ashley Graham is a great example of this.
Now i have to watch this 😂😂😂 those wings alone
Everytime I get a burger I always think about taking the bread off because of Tyra 😂
Say what you will about Tyra, but she is arguably the longest lasting and most famous VS Angel that they have, so it makes sense she would close it.
I Believe giving everyone Wings is Victoria Secrets way of Saying you ALL deserve IT! all sizes, genders etc etc its their gift to the maybe revamping the brand and throwing out old ways from past controversy. I think its amazing now we get to see others dreams come true!
I had to slow down this video to .75 bc you talk so fast 😭😭
NOT THE SHADE FROM CHER
I dont think it failed i feel like people just want it to fail.
Everything looks VERY inexpensive
I absolutely agree with u girlie
I feel like this is a step forward in my POV. There's a mix of the hotties, the fatties and trans. Overall bit of fixing a tweaking and I think VS will be back, but as once it was before.
I didn't even know that this was happening lol.
Her Comeback was just a startup this time. I am patient to wait for something great coming up in the near future. Using trans and oversized models were to diversify / expand market shares!
The dancers for Cher's performance weren't even in sync at times. It was just messy and felt forced.
Mika didn’t even say she’s mad. Or even if she’s, she didn’t say it’s because she wasn’t given wings…fact check
Tyra looked a little plus size herself now.
😂😂😂 very plus size
Looked? She IS one now.
I don’t know you guys…I liked it! It doesn’t have to be that deep. They did a great job. It was a very nice show. ❤
I disagree that the show was not good I think it was great and finally they featured models with more different body shapes and also more mature models to ( they seamed to have retired before any models over 36 years old and they would have clientele woman in their 40-50 to and they showed this age group models witch I think is great to )
Its funny ...25 when i turned a quarter of a century, i went thru a whole thing cause i thought was old!!!!!........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......im 57 so believe me when i say that y9u will only grow too love yourself even more esp in 40s....... happy aging gracefully ladies!!!!!
Hopefully!
By the way, you were born in 67? One model in the show was born 67 : Carla Bruni. She's also a singer and has been one since 2002.
0:59 dang they started selling them by 2015 tho
I do agree with all critiques and opinions, however I’ll play the devil’s advocate and say that imo the possible reason behind the way they did this show was to do a safe comeback (considering what happened years ago), and once the initial feedback/approval is received make a “wow” show next time. Basically, I saw it as VS testing the waters
Come on GenX leave Victoria’s Secret alone. Let them be the old school beautiful unattainable dream women. Why everyone has to be fat/trans/edgy?
Victoria secret has never been for me, my 2 girlfriends are way to big😅
There is another brand over here that definitely has taken in inspiration from VC and I used to be able to buy some there, but it’s al made to be a lot tinier nowadays.
If I would look at an E cup, those will sometimes not be bigger than a c cup.
It’s horrible that so many girls and women have such a bad experience their whole lives with buying those things.
Nowadays I love wearing tops and shirts that are sport clothing fabric and then even me with my G cup dares going braless.
At home I wouldn’t even dare to wear one, the torture….😂
Some of the previously used wings are also there , might be to prove how nostalgic they became! 😜
You may have got the plus size and Trains gender models, BUT you missed out on ALL the difference nationalities.... This year, there were so many models from so many countries you didn't mention anything about. OR the older models. If your going review something do it all specially the dam models.....
Would love to see your reaction on a better Victoria secret show
VS DAMN IF U DAMNED IF U DONT
Yeah now they cow tow to trends and that's the only reason Alex got to walk
VS is dead, it has no place in our modern world.
Boring , lacked that wow factor !
Failed, why?
It actually failed since they replaced og models with Gigi and kandel none of them are good enough to replace Miranda, Candice and Adriana
@@Amalikaon many of them can't be replaced
@@Powertec-gi2hn Very True!!
Can you talk slower please 😭
oh my god is shift outfit really not very is that joke
I just have this feeling that by giving everyone wings, it was Victoria's Secret's passive way of saying "Okay so just anyone gets wings? 🙄" and the model with no wings was their attitude on the matter because they are shallow, stubborn and only doing it begrudgingly.