CEO GETS GHOSTED, NOW WANTS JOB SEEKERS TO PAY TO APPLY?! |

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  • @jillmortlock8439
    @jillmortlock8439 3 роки тому +1087

    I used to be in retail management. When recruiting I always made sure that I contacted every unsuccessful applicant. Yes it was time consuming but it was just common courtesy, plus each of those applicants could be customers and I wanted them to know that although unsuccessful this time, the company appreciated them applying.

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 роки тому +404

      You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you.

    • @zergslayer69
      @zergslayer69 3 роки тому +92

      Thank you for not ghosting. Even if you gave some cookie cutter answer at least there's closure.

    • @ThingsILikke
      @ThingsILikke 3 роки тому +55

      I have been emailed and called by two people I interviewed with out of the 200 people in my lifetime I interviewed with. It probably took them 3 minutes but it really stood out as classy .

    • @m.rakelinggara.2174
      @m.rakelinggara.2174 3 роки тому +19

      We need more good people like you in the recruitment business.

    • @channul4887
      @channul4887 3 роки тому +4

      @@JoshuaFluke1 "You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you."
      And how do you change people's mindsets, Josh? By making videos to tell them that it's ok to not have a courtesy to tell someone that you won't be attending a meeting that they know they have in their schedule?

  • @masterpaladin
    @masterpaladin 3 роки тому +755

    If I got 5 bucks for every time a place I applied to ghosted me, I wouldn't need a job.

    • @tobiasreaper3650
      @tobiasreaper3650 2 роки тому +39

      Say it louder for the people in the back

    • @5556665012008
      @5556665012008 Рік тому +23

      @@tobiasreaper3650 IF I GOT 5 BUCKS FOR....

    • @ItsOKtobeNormal
      @ItsOKtobeNormal Рік тому +19

      What I hate is when they act like you got the job and you end up not getting it, just tell me I didn't get it, be honest.

    • @paulstrauss9146
      @paulstrauss9146 Рік тому +2

      Lol! Right!?

    • @dragonstooth4223
      @dragonstooth4223 Рік тому +2

      me too

  • @SeaFlower38
    @SeaFlower38 3 роки тому +838

    I agree! How about they pay people for applying? Lol. The whole process is pretty time consuming, inconvenient, and often unrewarding for an applicant.

    • @noble7461
      @noble7461 3 роки тому +47

      Just got an email from a company I didn’t even apply to requesting I take an aptitude test which takes an hour or more. Really really don’t want to waist my time jumping through hoops for nothing.

    • @abbiealverez2960
      @abbiealverez2960 3 роки тому +30

      Exactly we have to update our resume, customise a cover letter, travel, pay for petrol and parking and they want us to pay, fuck off i would not want to work there

    • @codingstation7741
      @codingstation7741 3 роки тому +21

      @@noble7461 I don't know who tf started using aptitude tests as a screening method 😤

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 роки тому +10

      recruiters get paid to talk to us. We don't get paid to apply to jobs. And it's a business transaction for the benefit of the company AND the employee. The company gets an employee, the employee gets a job.
      Better example: when an agency tells me to drive 1-2 hours to their agency. "for an interview". But it's not an interview with the company, it's with the agency. Any questions that they have, they can ask over the e-mail or phone. Any paperwork they need, they can send via e-mail. Making me waste several hours of my time for some 20 year old kid getting 10 minutes of experience interviewing a person. Who should be paying who here?

    • @RDA8191
      @RDA8191 3 роки тому

      What world do you live in where applying for a job is supposed to be "rewarding for an applicant"? What an absolute joke of mentality

  • @catsparkle
    @catsparkle 3 роки тому +1079

    Plot twist: They never officially reject your application, they just keep the deposit.

    • @acloud7604
      @acloud7604 3 роки тому +54

      Plot twist twist: Me and my ski mask bros come in to rob the place at 2:48 AM from the back window

    • @businesscat4435
      @businesscat4435 3 роки тому +29

      No company is good enough to make someone pay. I'd rather walk dogs for a living than endure more of this insane feudalist bullshit from corporations

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 роки тому +6

      Yes - exactly! It's a new business model for sleazebag CEOs!

    • @rejectionistmanifesto8836
      @rejectionistmanifesto8836 3 роки тому +20

      After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

    • @StardragonEX2
      @StardragonEX2 3 роки тому +10

      I pretty sure some employers would just do that to earn money.

  • @gureno19
    @gureno19 3 роки тому +291

    Love how companies feel betrayed when a candidate ghosts them....but when a company ghosts an applicant, which happens all the time, its a non issue.

    • @DJCaine
      @DJCaine 2 роки тому +14

      ALL THE TIME

    • @rafael502
      @rafael502 9 місяців тому +9

      Same thing how they expect 2 week notice when you quit, but fire you with zero notice

    • @Segphalt
      @Segphalt Місяць тому +1

      ​@@rafael502 Not just zero notice but will out and out lie about how there is no expectation of downsizing less than a week before doing so.

    • @craigedwards2411
      @craigedwards2411 Місяць тому

      it is because you are just a burden! You are also replaceable but only when we (the company) want or need to replace you.

  • @MDobri-sy1ce
    @MDobri-sy1ce 3 роки тому +537

    At least Dairy Queen gave me a free ice cream after the interview and I wasn’t even hired after but it was still something!

    • @Kanal7Indonesia
      @Kanal7Indonesia 3 роки тому +64

      That's so sweet, literally

    • @johniii8147
      @johniii8147 2 роки тому +4

      lol

    • @RockyZajThoj
      @RockyZajThoj 2 роки тому +4

      Lol same happened to me too.

    • @Greenthumb6a
      @Greenthumb6a 2 роки тому +18

      Sometimes managers at corporate jobs bend rules or directly break rules because they’re humans with empathy. I worked at a predatory loan office after college and talked many customers out of all kinds of loans that they didn’t need or couldn’t get out of if they would’ve applied. Literally would give them financial advice and try to help them find an alternative solution before borrowing money from us.
      But our manager at Wendy’s in high school would take wraps and cheese and sauces and make us cheese quesadillas. He knew he could get in deep shit but didn’t care because it was shit that we were gonna throw away and it was a tiny thing that meant a lot to us.

    • @bccsivxx-xxivvii
      @bccsivxx-xxivvii 2 роки тому +9

      @@Greenthumb6a I used to do the same thing, talk people out of getting loans when I worked for a place that did payday loans. I'd spend more time talking them out of it and looking for other solutions than it would take for me to write the loan. Around half of the people were coming in wanting a loan to pay medical bills, usually from one of those freestanding ER places that started popping up everywhere around 12, maybe 15 years, where they charge $60 for an aspirin. Collections would be telling them they were going to sue them and garnish their wages or even send the police to their house to arrest them and put them in jail if they didn't pay. Of course that's all BS, they can't throw you in jail anywhere in the US, and in my state they can't garnish wages for anything except taxes and child support. They're almost never going to sue for anything less than $5k, likely $10k. Medical bills don't count against your credit the same way as other debt, at least in my state, it can't be counted against you when applying for a home loan and a lot of places never bother reporting it anyway. And they have to accept a payment plan if you offer, whether it's $20 a month or whatever. I handed out flyers I made up with the contact info on how to file complaints with the state attorney general, OCCC, CFPB & FTC for the ones threatening jail time. Anyway, the ones that did get it, I made sure they knew the terms we weren't supposed to talk about, like it can be canceled if paid back within 3 days, or payment plans available with a fraction of the interest rate. I hate the way corporations run our country and our lives, trapping people in that crap. There was one senior manager that wanted to fire me over it. I flat out refused to stop what I was doing, telling her it's in the best interest of our customers and it'd be a disservice to withhold everything I counseled them on. But I was a model employee, my store still had the best numbers in the region with 15 others, and HR and some of her superiors actually backed me up, and said that wasn't a valid cause for termination. Surprising, because it probably was, this being an at will state.

  • @XxVeexX19
    @XxVeexX19 3 роки тому +319

    Wait this CEO is mad that a guy did what every job does to it's un-chosen applicants??? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @cr4yv3n
      @cr4yv3n 3 роки тому +8

      The irony is palpable ! 🤣

  • @PiroFyre
    @PiroFyre 3 роки тому +265

    My company literally has a notice on top of our careers page, saying if any recruiter approaches them and ask for money to apply, it's a scam. We don't charge applicants for applying.

    • @taavi948
      @taavi948 3 роки тому +31

      No normal company does.

    • @kristenlueken4023
      @kristenlueken4023 3 роки тому +6

      So.... You're saying i shouldn't give every random guy who knows how to copy/paste corporate job speak onto Indeed my SSN, license number, personal history, bank routing number, and a job application fee....? Then how do I get a job? ;)

    • @turtle4826
      @turtle4826 Рік тому

      don't some states have laws about this, especially union heavy states like new jersey? if anything this is a liability issue that could see future civil lawsuits.

    • @SoulTouchMusic93
      @SoulTouchMusic93 Рік тому

      my first thought, i'd think it was a scam company too.

    • @ZenAurora
      @ZenAurora Місяць тому

      That's what I would think too if I saw that. I hear about many people who got scammed by unscrupulous individuals posting fake ads for jobs in government and very large companies.

  • @emeraldxtouch
    @emeraldxtouch 3 роки тому +491

    Now imagine this in reverse - candidates asking for a 5 pound refund for every time they applied and NEVER got an answer. That's a time and resources investment as well, isn't it? Funny how employees are expected to just take it but employers think it's justified to charge already broke people 5 pound for the OPPORTUNITY (not even the guarantee) to get a job. Can you even post this, unironically? Because it's terrifying if any business owner thinks this is appropriate in any circumstances.

    • @neutralsportsfan17
      @neutralsportsfan17 3 роки тому +35

      Corporate entitlement at its finest.

    • @aussiegruber86
      @aussiegruber86 3 роки тому +13

      Some of the application processes I have done takes hours to apply for 1 job, they take all your personal information all your data and you never hear back...... all wasted time

    • @clutchboi4038
      @clutchboi4038 3 роки тому +4

      Shit Id apply at 100 places a day lol

    • @scienceskills
      @scienceskills 3 роки тому +2

      Cristina, i don0t know why but what you say reminds me of the policies about cookies we are always forced to accept to use Internet services. What about if we let them pay for that? 😅

    • @wimeatsworld
      @wimeatsworld 3 роки тому

      How do you think I paid for my Ford Mustang?

  • @leafodan3730
    @leafodan3730 3 роки тому +253

    “It takes time and money to find new employees”.
    Yeah … that’s the job. Spend time and money finding good people.

    • @grantoden8242
      @grantoden8242 3 роки тому +34

      It's like the guy has been oblivious to the costs of running a business all this time.

    • @МарияК-з1е
      @МарияК-з1е 3 роки тому +14

      It's called investment. If good candidate is found, return of investment will happen within 1st day of his or her employment

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 роки тому +4

      at least recruiters get paid for searching for people. We don't get paid for looking for a job.

    • @moldovanmoldovan7593
      @moldovanmoldovan7593 2 роки тому

      Spend even more to retain them. No? then goto 1

    • @TarsonTalon
      @TarsonTalon 2 роки тому

      You know, instead of immediately firing the experienced staff so you can get newbies you don't have to pay as much.

  • @pllpsy665
    @pllpsy665 3 роки тому +312

    If it's ok for a company to e-mail someone 1year+ after an interview to tell them they found someone else then it's totally ok to send a e-mail refusing an offer 1year+ later.

    • @seinfan9
      @seinfan9 2 роки тому +13

      I had an email rejection notice that the position was cancelled about 4 years after I applied. The idiots never found anyone lmao. The department likely got canned.

    • @AlyssaTaylor9
      @AlyssaTaylor9 2 роки тому +10

      One I applied for a position, only to hear back well over a year later that the position had re-opened and I was invited to interview.
      Like... no thanks. Sounds to me like the other person quit and you just need to fill the slot asap.

    • @tobiasreaper3650
      @tobiasreaper3650 2 роки тому

      @@seinfan9 that's great

    • @cedric3973
      @cedric3973 2 роки тому

      Man the number of times I have had this happen is crazy.

    • @anastasiacline6159
      @anastasiacline6159 2 роки тому +11

      I'm an aerospace manufacturing engineer and while I was in college I applied to be a tailor at David's Bridal after I bought some things from them to alter my own wedding dress and THEY asked me to apply. I didn't hear anything after that and it's been 6 years since I applied. They called me up just last month to offer me the job! LOL!

  • @simulatrix
    @simulatrix 3 роки тому +109

    Pay to apply? Sounds like college admissions

  • @ddevulders
    @ddevulders 3 роки тому +254

    Haha this reminds me of this time a company wanted me to complete a 'coding challenge relevant to their platform' so they briefed me a feature ticket I needed to create a pull request for to show my competence, now this should never be a problem if it wasn't for the ticket actually being assigned 4 hours of work by their senior dev. The look on their faces when I told them that, sure I would do their challenge, for the 125 an hour I would normally charge for freelance work.
    I can't believe people think it's okay to ask someone to work for free just for a chance to be hired? like who do you think you are? Jordan Belfort?

    • @sohaibarif2835
      @sohaibarif2835 3 роки тому +28

      The only companies that should be able to get away with this are ones who would never make you do this. You would complete a 4 hour sprint for google, microsoft or amazon for this chance just to tell others you did it. But those companies would never let an outsider touch their non-open source code.

    • @ddevulders
      @ddevulders 3 роки тому +14

      @@sohaibarif2835 I think you're right in both statements, I would be more willing to provide work to a company in which the result of hiring is tremendous but the same companies that hold this value would never ask anyone to because they simply don't require that input to get a result for their product in the first place.

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 роки тому +20

      They're just making free work from job "applicants" part of their business model. Kind of like a modern day, white collar slavery.

    • @johnpenguin9188
      @johnpenguin9188 3 роки тому +19

      Lol, that tells you a lot about a company.
      They don’t have any concerns about people stealing their code or poking about looking for security holes... and if they actually use code written by applicants, then they are just plain nuts.
      They’re clearly not a serious company.

    • @МарияК-з1е
      @МарияК-з1е 3 роки тому +21

      Lol, it's like translation firms sometimes. They would give you an entire document to translate, proofread, etc as your "test". Later on, people would see their work published as an official translation for decrees or something else. No money for the labour, of course, as it was "just the test" after which they would never called back

  • @princessmarlena1359
    @princessmarlena1359 3 роки тому +42

    Total double standards. They can ghost applicants, but applicants can’t ghost them.

    • @rosevan7845
      @rosevan7845 4 місяці тому

      If you consider that it is far more common to hear,read,watch a ghost story about a human that has died than about a company that died I would say that when a corporation does it the term used should properly be zombied/undeaded,or generically, /monstered. Those terms are not as catchy for this and are experiencing heavy useage in other situations so I understand turning these nouns to verbs will have to wait for mainstream appeal.
      Not so much a double standard as no standard at all. There is a reason the warning for scams exsist. That reason is that CEO's are criminally inclined and certain bechaviors are illigal. More than likely because the potential for abuse is 98.6%.

  • @Tinab275
    @Tinab275 3 роки тому +65

    They ghost applicants all the time with no manners or courtesy. Same as when they fire people they are let go unceremoniously but when you leave you have to give 2 weeks notice as courtesy.

  • @chris-solmon4017
    @chris-solmon4017 3 роки тому +70

    Funny - recruiters ghost people all the time.

  • @businesscat4435
    @businesscat4435 3 роки тому +56

    Each time a temp agency promises the job will go permanent, I ask to read the "contract" (since they claim it's a contract, but it's a temp job) and say I need it in writing, they refuse. F recruiters.

    • @None-0n3
      @None-0n3 2 роки тому +6

      A temp agency is a union for scabs. Except they don't get good pay or benefits

    • @Julez60
      @Julez60 Місяць тому

      * a scab agency

  • @neutralsportsfan17
    @neutralsportsfan17 3 роки тому +108

    It appears companies and recruiters don't like being ghosted, so why did they start the trend?

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 роки тому

      ahahahhaha you hit them right on the nail

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 3 роки тому +1

      @Cuddly Cooper Probably when letters were first used. I don't think ghosting is a modern thing.

  • @darkoz1692
    @darkoz1692 3 роки тому +34

    "It takes time and money to find new employees"
    Yep, welcome to the business world.

  • @AugustusTitus
    @AugustusTitus 3 роки тому +105

    "We need new revenue streams!" "Why don't we try charging job applicants?" "That's brilliant!"

    • @turtle4826
      @turtle4826 Рік тому

      *Department of Labor and comptroller office has entered the chat*

  • @kitsune7351
    @kitsune7351 2 роки тому +43

    Most executives are narcissists: usually grandiose and often malignant. This CEO is doing us a favor by showing us upfront that the company is a toxic work environment.
    Any updates on their luck? I'm sure people are breaking their application server to pay to apply 🙄

  • @SuprousOxide
    @SuprousOxide 3 роки тому +36

    Worse is my old company who would make an offer and then string people along for months, and THEN tell them the position had evaporated. So sorry, hope you didn't give up on the job search in the mean time

  • @DannyD-lr5yg
    @DannyD-lr5yg 3 роки тому +75

    This smacks of insecurity!
    Reminds me of a “wackiest lawsuits” list I saw the other day - one man in Austin, TX _sued a woman he went on a date with, because she’d been on her phone the whole time._ They ended up settling, with her paying him back the $17.50 for a movie ticket and 1/2 of the popcorn, in exchange for him never contacting her again 😂
    Tl;dr This manager is the business version of someone who’d sue their date for being bored by them 🤣🤣😭

    • @stefan1360
      @stefan1360 3 роки тому +6

      Man why is America so easy on the "I'm gonna sue you" trigger? How butthurt can some people get...

    • @drillingig2368
      @drillingig2368 2 роки тому

      @@stefan1360 laughs in European

    • @gokublack8342
      @gokublack8342 Рік тому

      @stefan1360 Gotta sue alot to stop these greedy companies/landlords from screwing us. Pretty much every landlord(that is an LLC individuals are usually better about it) will try to find some way to screw you out of your deposit if anything people don't sue enough in some cases or landlords wouldn't pull that bs

    • @zachroberts1988
      @zachroberts1988 6 місяців тому

      @@stefan1360 the weirder thing is he probably spent a few hundred in court just to file the case...

    • @rosevan7845
      @rosevan7845 4 місяці тому

      @@stefan1360 If you have the time money and inclination it is the only way to get anything out of the parasite. If americans were paid for the productivity they produce the butthurt would go away and so would the hunger, anxiety and willingness to do anything to keep a job. But you knew that....

  • @retrofraction
    @retrofraction 3 роки тому +39

    That CEO is going at this 100% the wrong way.
    If a job seeker doesn’t see value in interviewing for the position, you need to make the position worth their time.
    Aka quit being cheap AF and raise the wage.

  • @JamesB21a
    @JamesB21a 3 роки тому +32

    It's funny, I am seeing more and more disclaimers on job postings warning about scams - saying they do not charge an application fee or any other type of fee. If your actions make everyone think you are a scammer, you are not conducting business properly.

  • @ankitkalavagunta8951
    @ankitkalavagunta8951 3 роки тому +51

    This is enlightening Joshua, it's easy for people like us to give all the power to these companies because we fear being judged.

  • @seanm2047
    @seanm2047 3 роки тому +36

    I got ghosted by the company I was already working for. It wasn’t even a different department, I even asked the director for feed back via email and he didn’t respond.

  • @patthetech
    @patthetech 3 роки тому +44

    I have shotgunned so many applications over the years that I have been in the position of "who are you again?" when setting up the first interview. If you aren't spraying and praying, your chances of getting a call back are slim.
    95% of the ads I reply to have the words "only those selected will be contacted" somewhere in them. The days of the PFO letters from every application are long gone. to quote a great thinker of our time "Ain't no one got time for that!"

    • @IL_Bgentyl
      @IL_Bgentyl 2 роки тому

      From what I’m seeing most applicants aren’t selected. Recruiting managers select a majority of people.

  • @jutau
    @jutau 3 роки тому +84

    Can I charge Josh a fee for me spending my time to watch the videos. And if I'm satisfied by Josh, I'll return it?

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 роки тому +34

      Welp

    • @jutau
      @jutau 3 роки тому +19

      @@JoshuaFluke1 I was satisfied.

    • @kapjoteh
      @kapjoteh 3 роки тому +6

      @@JoshuaFluke1 welp is apparently puppy in some language according to google translate

    • @acreativename2781
      @acreativename2781 3 роки тому +1

      @@kapjoteh It's "Welpe" in german.

    • @Radeo
      @Radeo 3 роки тому +2

      @@kapjoteh it's the cousin of "gulp"

  • @0x007A
    @0x007A 3 роки тому +39

    Employers should advertise a position for two weeks, interview during the third week, and extend an offer of employment by the end of the fourth week. No multiple interviews; one interiew with the hiring manager, not with human resources nor with genitalia-wacking-on-the-table "techncial team bros"

  • @andyfarquhar3402
    @andyfarquhar3402 3 роки тому +39

    Had an on-site interview invite for a Process Engineer position at a semiconductor fab. The job description mentioned nothing about having to give sales pitches or consulting type presentations. The company asked me to put together a 30 minute power-point presentation for the first part of the interview, which would then be followed by two-one hour panel interviews and lunch on-site with a hiring manager at their cafeteria. I asked if candidates are offered any compensation for putting together these presentation, and was told "It is a part of our interview process and we don’t compensate for interviews". Obviously I declined the interview, due to their lack of respecting a candidates time. I'm fine with hours of behavior based interview questions, but asking me take time out of my day and put effort into a product (basic definition of work) with no compensation, is garbage.

    • @matthewridgeway9250
      @matthewridgeway9250 Рік тому +6

      It is also an act of stealing intellectual property. Any beneficial tricks will be adopted and stolen without your consent.

    • @whatsonhermindblog123
      @whatsonhermindblog123 Рік тому +3

      !!!!!! Yes good on you for recognizing the disrespect

    • @WakkoKakko
      @WakkoKakko Місяць тому

      They'll do anything they can to get you to do billable work for free.

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 Місяць тому

      What if we sign nda with them that they cannot use it? 😅

  • @blaisetelfer8499
    @blaisetelfer8499 3 роки тому +47

    If only there was a way to reverse this. If I got $5 every time I was ghosted by an Indian guy who emailed me about an "urgent need" or "job opportunity", I wouldn't even need a job.

    • @WakkoKakko
      @WakkoKakko Місяць тому +1

      I would make a decent side hustle that way from each Indian recruiter that has ever contacted me about a job that either pays less than $15/hour or required relocation while having requirements that I couldn't meet.

  • @johnshellenberg1383
    @johnshellenberg1383 3 роки тому +24

    This is illegal in Canada. Thank gawd, and let's hope it stays that way

    • @hellstromcarbunkle8857
      @hellstromcarbunkle8857 Місяць тому +1

      Not if you let the Tories (or whatever they are calling themselves today) and their allies back in power

  • @Havok577
    @Havok577 3 роки тому +13

    Time to start calling them out on linkedin in front of everyone. Time to get right in their passive aggressive faces.

  • @AnthonyMcqueen1987
    @AnthonyMcqueen1987 3 роки тому +14

    There is no way in hell i would pay to apply at some company to get rejected anyway nope best to work for yourself.
    The corporate world is a massive joke that includes their precious CEOs.

  • @losfromla1480
    @losfromla1480 3 роки тому +12

    I think Lauren told him it was an absurd, stupid idea. He didn't want to hear it from Lauren so he's asking the LinkedIn crowd about it.

  • @sawyer4981
    @sawyer4981 3 роки тому +78

    Just when you think you've seen it all, Josh comes in clutch with more insanity. The level of disconnect between Executives and the rest of the world is unreal.

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 роки тому +5

      I got hired for subway when I was 16 and worked a shift. The manager said it was a "trial" shift. After the shift he told me, "you're not a good fit. But here's a check and a free soda." I was actually kind of sad because I thought I finally got a job as a teen. I wanted to work..

    • @CST1992
      @CST1992 3 роки тому

      @@FairyKit How much time later did you actually get a proper job?

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 роки тому

      @@CST1992 I was in high school at this time. I could only get a job at the high school I went to as a daycare assistant

    • @CST1992
      @CST1992 3 роки тому

      @@FairyKit Yikes. Anyway, hope you learned some useful skills.

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 роки тому

      @@CST1992 yeah it's been a good 12 years since that happened

  • @almosthelpless9374
    @almosthelpless9374 3 роки тому +53

    Can I pay the deposit in exposure?

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 Місяць тому

      I believe you should reverse charge them minus 5gbp as your exposure is worth more.

  • @aeow8859
    @aeow8859 3 роки тому +8

    I spent a weekend applying to an internal job at my company. The day after the HR lady sent me an email (no apology) saying they were no longer fillign the role. Not "we found somone else" not " sorry you werent successful" literally " we actually decided we were no longer going to have this job exist".
    I asked if they then had any feedback on my application and she told me they hadn't actually read any of the applications.
    I took a couple of " days off" after that.

  • @45scienceproject
    @45scienceproject 3 роки тому +12

    Well Josh, the listing has been removed so I sent their hiring team a nasty email instead. Keep up the reality checks, my dude. You're killing it.

  • @jamal3298
    @jamal3298 3 роки тому +13

    Petition to charge employers for rejecting me. I could've used that time to do some dogsitting, doordash, etc.

  • @crusader2.0_loading89
    @crusader2.0_loading89 2 роки тому +9

    I applied for a job through a recruiting company and was told I didn't get it. A few months later I wound up talking to one of the people who interviewed me. He told me they were told I had decided not to accept the job. Turns out one of the other applicants had a higher education and because of this, the recruiting company were able to negotiate a higher salary and thus commission, so they screwed me over to get that...wow,I wrote this before Josh mentioned it in the video...

  • @Kyrylo_Maverick
    @Kyrylo_Maverick 3 роки тому +28

    Why it does sound like an offended 15yo girl who complains about how unfair the world is? :D. So funny tbh.

  • @BAIGAMING
    @BAIGAMING 3 роки тому +8

    4:40 This has happened to me so many times Josh. The worst is when the company has a location 5 minutes away, but they'll only interview me at a location 4 hours away (I tell them this fact clearly and they don't care or they have internal fights and politics between different locations). I woke up at 4AM to get to an interview by 9AM only for a certain company to not even know what interview questions to ask and they only had a 10 minute interview for me. The worst part was when they followed up with me, at first I was happy to get feedback for the first time in my life, but then it turns out they were only being nice because they wanted me to work for a custodian position (I had been applying and interviewing with them for chemical engineering quality assurance roles, then they had the gall to tell me to take a custodian position).

    • @Pulapaws
      @Pulapaws Місяць тому

      I would have said sure but pay me like a I was a chem engineer. I worked a job where they did that too and I took the job way above mid wage cleaning houses, lol.

  • @georginaydenov6470
    @georginaydenov6470 3 роки тому +22

    Haven't even seen it, but I know that it is 🔥

  • @hotrodjones74
    @hotrodjones74 3 роки тому +7

    The worst part about applying for new jobs (in the US at least) is when you apply via Indeed or whatever and then you have to fill out the same information on the company's separate web portal. It's such a waste of time and goes against the point of Indeed, which is convenient as hell.

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 Місяць тому

      I feel indeed is half dead now. Lots of scraped content.

  • @DLviewer2
    @DLviewer2 3 роки тому +14

    A simple solution to this would be to have then recruiter and the applicant pay each other 5 dollars for each other's time.

  • @anarchoboof9429
    @anarchoboof9429 2 роки тому +3

    This is a prime example of why you don't treat CEOs different than the janitor. Someone keeps agreeing with this guy even when he says stupid shit because he's in a position of power. You should be vehemently honest with these people. It reveals their true colors, while also releveling their sense of self.

  • @packrat-y7j
    @packrat-y7j 3 роки тому +11

    Story time! It's 2009, I'm living in nyc and trying to find a new job. I am at round 3 of interviews with Time magazine, and literally half way to the office when i get a phone call that the CEO cancelled my interview for that day, and they would call me back to reschedule. Fun fact. They didn't.

  • @d1zguy864
    @d1zguy864 3 роки тому +10

    linkedin has become daddy day care for adults

  • @moisesvillagran8956
    @moisesvillagran8956 3 роки тому +3

    I find your reviews extremely enjoyable. Keep up the good work! We need more honest, real people on the web.

  • @michaelrulewicz5390
    @michaelrulewicz5390 3 роки тому +7

    This is like the World of Warcraft joke that there's a guild application fee.

  • @raven4090
    @raven4090 Рік тому +1

    This is an excellent video! It's true that we've learned that any employer asking you for money is a scam. Some of these people are really full of themselves.

  • @michalyne
    @michalyne 3 роки тому +6

    Charging to apply, that's a great idea!!! However I intend on charging for my time applying, interviewing, background check, drug test, talking to the idiots in your company and since I've run a company I'll be charging ninety bucks and hour, therefore I will have made ninety bucks during the interview alone. Had I thought of that idea I wouldn't need a job. Its astonishing how greedy and out of touch these nitwits are.

  • @pierre-rose7783
    @pierre-rose7783 2 роки тому +2

    The worse part of it is that it's not even the type of job that everyone wants !

  • @sebastien__l
    @sebastien__l 3 роки тому +3

    I think this is a brilliant idea. As a potential job applicant, nothing would save me more time than companies openly broadcasting how stupid they are and save me the energy of engaging with them, or worse, going through the process, get hired, go through onboarding only to THEN find out your managers and/or colleagues are people like this. Love it, awesome time saver.

  • @patmarek1222
    @patmarek1222 3 роки тому +2

    7:12 that comment "but have you taken leave of your senses?" is so fitting it's wow!
    Those CEOs belong in a madhouse I swear.

  • @thehousehacker
    @thehousehacker 3 роки тому +12

    The only company that asks you to pay to join is a multi level marketing company lol
    I will say that I think Lawrence is annoyed the guy no showed to a scheduled interview, which is a lot different than not getting back to you. I would say its more like if a company scheduled an interview time and when you arrive they tell you that the interview was canceled but that still doesn't justify charging people to apply lol

  • @DietrichGarbo
    @DietrichGarbo Місяць тому +3

    I just don’t do LinkedIn. It is the worst of Boomer Facebook. Frankly I would rather be unemployed than deal with these people.

  • @MegaGlaive
    @MegaGlaive 2 роки тому +3

    There's another reason this would backfire against the CEO if he charges applicants ... A job offer that requires you to make a down payment is one of the primary red flags of a PYRAMID SCHEME. This will cause a lot of people who are aware of this fact ... to avoid the company.

  • @maestreiluminati87
    @maestreiluminati87 3 роки тому +8

    I like to make my own little headcanon about CEOs Like these, like how this guy acts so indignant because ever since his "early entrepreneur" days he was treated as the President and everyone around him would lap up to him, so he literally does not know how to react to people treating him like a fellow plebian.

  • @roar6047
    @roar6047 3 роки тому +8

    One thing about telling them that you are interviewing with other companies: It can actually be a plus! I.e. companies want applicants who are more in demand, plus will work faster to expedite the interview process if they like you (I've had that happen in the past). So it just kind of depends, and I've only had that positive experience with certain tech/startup companies.

  • @machetekid07
    @machetekid07 3 роки тому +3

    The kick in the balls is that you’ll never complete the application process cuz they’ll never call you back and they’ll keep your $5

  • @Summer-birds
    @Summer-birds 3 роки тому +4

    I've been ghosted by companies so many times! Of course I could ghost someone else as a result.
    And also, here in Ukraine, an actual scam going with charging people before signing them a test task, lol.

  • @ProcrastiNYEtor
    @ProcrastiNYEtor 3 роки тому +3

    Looks as though Larry has been rightfully shamed into removing the post from his profile. Keep up the good work, Joshua!

  • @MDobri-sy1ce
    @MDobri-sy1ce 3 роки тому +9

    I do that all the time. Yeah, I have to alter my resume to suit the job but I apply to as many as I am able and wait to get as many interviews as I can.

  • @EverOutward13
    @EverOutward13 2 роки тому +1

    "Not everyone can afford to donate to charity, Sheena!!" I'm screaming!!

  • @pierre-rose7783
    @pierre-rose7783 2 роки тому +3

    Good employees may be hard to find, but finding a good boss is even harder these days !

    • @tachyontee3877
      @tachyontee3877 2 роки тому +1

      Horrible bosses are everywhere. 😅

  • @lindafirth1562
    @lindafirth1562 3 роки тому +8

    Josh - taking this idea a bit further..... So the corporate owner might look far more favourably on the candidate who pays him the most to apply for the job, rather than looking for the best qualified candidate. Bribery and corruption spring to mind!

  • @eduh7950
    @eduh7950 2 роки тому +3

    Best answer I think you can give for "Are you interviewing for other jobs at the moment?" is:
    "Well, I've recently been contacted by headhunters for potential interviews, but your company seemed interesting / different which got me intrigued and here I am."
    Always turn the question back to the interviewer in a way that is respectful but at the same time promotes your worth as a potential employee. Always remember they are looking for people on the same basis you're looking for a new job so no one is really has the upper hand.

  • @lumeronswift
    @lumeronswift 2 роки тому +3

    Imagine only being able to apply for only one job at a time while waiting months at a time to hear back.

  • @foobar1269
    @foobar1269 3 роки тому +16

    I would live to pay $5 to apply for a job. They just have to pay me $50 for travel, $10 for meal, and $100 for not going to another interview, and missing opportunities. If I don't get the job then they will have to refund my $5 and pay me $1,000.00 compensation for emotional damage.

  • @mattkochanowski6196
    @mattkochanowski6196 3 роки тому +2

    this is exactly how companies and recruiters behaving - they string you along for weeks/months with these 5 or 10 stage recruitment process and out of the sudden they ghost you. But when table turns this becomes a problem...

  • @SuvrathHegde
    @SuvrathHegde 3 роки тому +4

    I used to think that these kind of video are getting boring and repetitive. Then I realize that unlike most of the youtubers, even if your video has same theme, I learn a lot of other stuff, like how the recruiters work. Keep up the good work Joshua.

  • @vaexperience
    @vaexperience 4 місяці тому +1

    Unfortunately these past couple of years in tech have been employer market... too many laid off and unemployed employees to choose from and as such anecdotally the behaviours have been awful towards the candidates.
    On the last point of not sharing that you're interviewing with other places: I always recommend to do the opposite and actually use that in your advantage to expedite the process. You should let the recruiter or hiring manager know that you are speaking with other companies and ask directly to expedite the process as you're interest in their position. The interviewing can take months so any little nudge or haste from the team is favourable to candidates.

  • @saywhatnow57
    @saywhatnow57 3 роки тому +24

    Doesn't that guy who skipped the interview realize it's going to go in his permanent record?

    • @xlayerscience9966
      @xlayerscience9966 3 роки тому

      ?

    • @BdelaCAS
      @BdelaCAS 3 роки тому +2

      what permanent record? that thing was useless in school, it's useless after

    • @gregt194
      @gregt194 3 роки тому +5

      @@BdelaCAS I think he’s joking

    • @saywhatnow57
      @saywhatnow57 3 роки тому +2

      @@BdelaCAS I was definitely joking. But I have been told by HR to rewrite a resignation letter in case I ever wanted to come back, because mine wasn't good enough and it would be in my permanent file. This was at a large university. I told them no. Within two months that university was a client of my new company I've now had for 13 years.

    • @BdelaCAS
      @BdelaCAS 3 роки тому

      @@saywhatnow57 that must be fun, did it ever come back again or talk with the same people?

  • @electroquests
    @electroquests 3 роки тому +15

    That's so relatable. I've recently started getting messages regarding jobs openings. It's a beginner level job which requires at least 2-3 years of experience. If you won't give jobs to freshers (Those who don't have experience - Just to be clear) how will they get experience?
    By the way, love your videos, thank you very much. You've helped me a lot, please keep up the good work!

  • @botondhetyey159
    @botondhetyey159 2 роки тому +4

    Man, this is a great idea! I should charge 5 euros to every company I'm applying for, and I'll refund them if they don't ghost me.
    Might not even need a job, tbh

  • @adamschlinker972
    @adamschlinker972 3 роки тому +1

    The fact that the person that applied called back is actually the common courtesy and manners.

  • @rnistuk
    @rnistuk 3 роки тому +6

    So I commented, and big tough CEO, Lawrence Broadie, blocked me after posting a snide response to my comment that proved he didn't read it.
    Electrify's customers and employees need to flee. He's not very good at creative marketing or communications.

    • @rnistuk
      @rnistuk 3 роки тому

      So I was able to re-edit my comment to respond to to Broadie's snide comment, and suggested he stop digging...
      And he took down the post.

  • @Maison1990
    @Maison1990 3 роки тому +2

    The number of times I've been ghosted by businesses.
    This guy has lost sense of reality apart from himself.

  • @veaccara
    @veaccara 3 роки тому +3

    Preaching the gospel of truth, amen brother

  • @DustinDustin00
    @DustinDustin00 11 місяців тому +1

    The number of days I spent interviewing and then being told the position went away -- filled in house, there was a reshuffle, etc. I should have been paid for that day of stress. I had managers that were royally pissed and still wanted to hire me and weren't allowed to. They kept in touch and spent months trying to get positions re-opened for me. Corporations be crazy.

  • @biffmercury
    @biffmercury 3 роки тому +4

    There was a pretty big name visual effects company owner, who got so tired of being called to meetings with film studios that didn’t result in more work for his visual effects company, that he started charging to go to meetings.

  • @williamj.dovejr.8613
    @williamj.dovejr.8613 Рік тому +2

    I have a cousin who was really going through it...job rejection after another, he gets a application to one place, they string him along, he tries to pinpoint when he can come in for a interview, they hang up on him. He gets a call from one job he applied for, gets hired but he wasn't done. Late at night he drove to the place that jerked him around...got out with a bag of s***, lit it, and threw it at the door. He's been at the job a year now. I wouldn't have done it, but I understand.

  • @MonsterJuiced
    @MonsterJuiced 3 роки тому +3

    Hahah It's weird hearing you say Quid

  • @lysabelle3990
    @lysabelle3990 3 роки тому

    The amount of times that I have applied and gotten an auto response that my application was received and then never heard back from the company saying the job was even filled is ridiculous. I have applied to positions and not gotten a call and taken it upon myself to contact them about the status of my application, only to be told that they aren't hiring and that they just keep postings up just incase. As an applicant or employee your time or needs are just not valued today, a lot of companies just want what they can get out of you with a complete disregard to any hardships that they are putting on you. However when you give them the same energy and do your job but have no loyalty to that organization, you see all these negative news stories.

  • @Nogardtist
    @Nogardtist 3 роки тому +9

    pay to apply
    totally not a scam

  • @MrZachgonz
    @MrZachgonz 2 роки тому +1

    I once had a company ask ME to pay for MY own background check, I declined of course. So I guess this is along those lines as well.

  • @jdubz8173
    @jdubz8173 3 роки тому +12

    I can empathize with how it kind of sucks when an applicant leaves you hanging. However, if your company can't sell the job to applicants, then how are you selling anything else at the moment? Introspection is rough. Gotta embrace it.

  • @briang1747
    @briang1747 2 роки тому

    A lot of valid points! Excellent...never really thought about things in those terms.

  • @philcooper9225
    @philcooper9225 3 роки тому +4

    Nobody in their right mind is going to be respectable and respectful? Lolwut

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 роки тому

      You can do that by saying 'I have a new job'. Perfectly respectable. Especially if it's a random response months after you apply.

    • @philcooper9225
      @philcooper9225 3 роки тому +3

      @@JoshuaFluke1 lolwut?
      Not what I asked

    • @philcooper9225
      @philcooper9225 3 роки тому

      @@JoshuaFluke1 Alright dude well I hope you are able to heal your narcissitic abuse syndrome and can be less weird and defensive in the future! You can heal from your abuse!!

  • @lemendoug9884
    @lemendoug9884 3 роки тому +2

    sorry to hear your experience with that Agency Recruiter. Internal Recruiter who work at the company typically aren't like that though

  • @businesscat4435
    @businesscat4435 3 роки тому +4

    Recruiters make around 200 bucks an hour when the worker only gets 25 an hour, which is why consulting agencies are so aggressive. They make hand over fist from their workers and it's sick.

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 роки тому

      Are you serious - $200 an hour? Don't they get paid on commission?

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 роки тому

      Dafuq kind of overpriced firm are you working for?
      My last firm made 65 per hour while I made 45 plus a small perk
      I'm sure the company before that was making 70 while I was making 35 per hour.
      200 per hour better be a super niche skillset.

  • @gaslitgames
    @gaslitgames Рік тому

    Cool, now I can invoice for all the time I spent filling in the same information from my resume into their broken web form, every follow up status call, and every minute of the interviews they put me through. That ought to cover that down payment and then some.

  • @JoshuaFluke1
    @JoshuaFluke1  3 роки тому +18

    2042 HYPE THO
    Source:
    www.linkedin.com/posts/lawrencebroadie_id-like-your-advice-folks-right-now-we-activity-6841361738063982592-k403/

    • @tkdevlop
      @tkdevlop 3 роки тому +5

      5 bucks here I come

    • @simonrichards150
      @simonrichards150 3 роки тому +19

      Looks like he deleted it already lol

    • @tobiasm4425
      @tobiasm4425 3 роки тому +2

      Little anecdote from my job search. An American company paid for a flight, back and fourth, from Europe to the USA to have a 1 day interview with me. So good companies pay you to travel to the interview. Accommodation included...

    • @rejectionistmanifesto8836
      @rejectionistmanifesto8836 3 роки тому +4

      After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

    • @emeraldxtouch
      @emeraldxtouch 3 роки тому +4

      Plot twist - first he restricted the post to connections only, now I think it has been deleted. Much bravery.

  • @Paltheus
    @Paltheus 3 роки тому

    I think this is one of your best call-outs ever. Good work!

  • @fluoroproilne
    @fluoroproilne 3 роки тому +4

    Every application to a job increases the pool of candidates to choose from. This is why, any additional applicant increases the quality of the final person hired to the position. Applicants should get paid for their time and efforts put in preparation to interviews, because them applying ultimately benefits the company. Pay me for my interview and I'll turn up, what's the problem?

  • @John-fr9up
    @John-fr9up 5 місяців тому

    Thank you Josua -- every job seeker needs to hear this. BTW have you been on diary of a CEO? -- you need to be.

  • @floridaman7
    @floridaman7 3 роки тому +3

    Maybe the employees can help with the electric bills at the work place. I mean they use the electricity to do their work.