Let me think about this; all analog 33.33 OJCs for $40? Or split up the record into two double LPs in a box for $150. Hard choices 😵💫 these won’t work for date night like the 33s
@@Palace_Hi-Fi it was interesting to hear Steve Hoffman’s take on the comparison of 33s versus the 45 double albums and flipping. Sure he has done some himself, be he feels that they really are not that much better and any improvement is marginal at best.
@@mazzysmusic I heard Kevin Gray say that he prefers 33s because it was what the artists intended. I think that was an interview with the In Groove Mike.
Thanks for the update, Bums 😀 The music on these albums definitely is "must have" for every jazz-interested person: The (for me) best jazz pianist in the best trio he ever had. What bothers me more with these releases are 3 things: 1) The music - and thus the listening experience - broken up into 4 sides/parts. I really don't like this "technical over musical" priority (which is wide spread in these years - Atlantic 75-series etc.). This was not the original intention with this album (which is good sounding but not "audiophile"). 2) We were told (by Chad) that the LPs in the Riverside Recordings box set (of these 2 and others) were the best and definitive versions. For that reason I bought the box (great sounding but with some flaws also) when it was announces as last repress. But now it seems they were NOT the definitive and best versions... I have no problem with trying to make things (sound) better - but just don't tell us this is "the definitive version", and then come up w. another "definitive version" a few years later. Makes one think: What willl the next definitive version of these albums be? Monos maybe? 3) And then there is the UHQR-box... What a waste of resources, money and shelf space. Again: Not the original concept (Craft got it right!). Who the hell came up with the idea: "Hey - let's make it look like some kind of book - that's more classy". But it's not - it's just bloated. I'd like to add that it's not because I have trouble or can't pay the $150 (my MoFi "Sunday..." cost me considerably more) for a product that reflects the original with a clearly better quality than could be achieved elsewhere. But not for this release because it isn't that. So I'll ll pass on this - and my advise to others would be to get the new Craft OJC 33 rpm. THAT is the kind of re-relases there should be more of: True to the original, great sounding and very affordable.
Hey guys just like to say I’m a year into getting into jazz and I am really enjoying your show with the three of you. You bounce off each other so well. I don’t do vinyl because I can’t handle the hiss and pop that can come with some older albums I do digital downloads and CD. But your reviews then give me the opportunity to hunt out the album and have a listen on line. Thanks
@@earl007 thanks for watching and the nice comment. I’m a music first, not stuck with a format. It’s nice to hear that you are enjoying it. I play a lot of CDs and my digital files as well. Thanks for the support! F
@@moogoomoogoo5990 lol unintentional! But yes Chris pointed this out after we posted the video, we were waiting for someone to comment about this. You are the winner! - Mike
Thank you for the video! I preordered both albums, a big fan of both. I do own the 45 rpm by AP, LP’s and the box set which I bought because I only had 7 of them on LP. I like the new OJC very much, but I’m excited about this new treatment. The cost is high but it’s worth it for those two albums, still cheaper than the EC. For me, Sunday at the Village is the best Bill Evan’s album, however, as Chad said, those two albums complete each other. I don’t mind getting out of my seat to turn sides, actually, if Bill was alive, I would go watch him play standing the whole time, he is the best!
Would be interested to hear this panel's thoughts as to whether someone really needs a high end audio system to appreciate the quality of these recordings. I'm skeptical that I would with my Music Hall turntable, Denon receiver and Dali bookshelfs.
I did mention this in the video briefly but I also think that is an overblown concept. I have a Technics 1200 with a 2M blue, a Cambridge preamp, going into a cheap Onkyo amp that powers some affordable Andrew Jones designed Pioneers on my desk. It is a very affordable setup and sounds good to me. It is in my office so isn't meant to be some audiophile wet dream. I have a couple UHQRs and One Steps and they sound great to me. I also have decided that I would not be buying these anymore unless it was just a very special release to me. Having said all that, I can tell on my setup that the Kind of Blue UHQR sounds better than the Sony Legacy version I had before. I can also tell that I prefer the Miles MOFI stuff compared to a few originals I have. Is my system pulling everything possible out of the grooves? Of course not, but I can still tell if I like the way a record sounds or if I feel like it is missing something. The Time Out AP 45 has WAY more detail than my OG of Time Out for example. People that say things like another commenter on this video that belittle people based on their listening setup are sad sack losers that have to try to justify their expenditures on their equipment or they are just assholes that hate themselves so much they only get satisfaction in trying to prove to themselves that they are better than someone else in any way possible. So I guess my point is you don't have to have a $40k setup to enjoy an audiophile record. Will you be able to tell much difference between the OJCs of these titles and the UHQRs? I don't know. I am betting they are pretty close to each other, with the UHQR likely coming out a bit better with super critical listening and maybe the noise floor of the vinyl.
Thanks Bums for an excellent discussion. These records undoubtedly deserve the UHQR treatment and Chad has clearly demonstrated that the results will be astonishing. Take pity on we folk who live outside the US and have to deal with currency exchanges and international shipping. The price will be $300 in my local record store in Sydney, Australia. I feel very fortunate to have the Riverside box so it’s an easy choice for me to sit this one out.
Yes - the MoFi 45 rpm is all analogue (a bit surprising after all this MoFi-gate debacle). They state this (and the sources for all the other MoFi-releases) on their website.
Sunday at the Village Vanguard is one of my all-time faves. I already have the Riverside box but don’t have any UHQR releases so, at the risk of repetition, will make the Village Vanguard my first UHQR. Hopefully it is a solid and different sound than the Riverside release.
Not surprised. Hahaha, industry must get somewhat desperate „milking the audiophile cows“ over and over with the same titles. The AP 45s and the OJC reissues are already audiophile grade and sound fantastic to me, with the OJCs offering a superior price value. I am sure though there will plenty of buyers who will want to see under the emporer‘s new clothes or invest for speculation. Low priority on my wishlist. Many thanks, bums, for sharing.
Thanks, fellas. Will be interesting to hear if Chad is able to squeeze extra fidelity in this new mastering, 45rpm and UHQR format. Clearly he believes or wouldn’t be putting it out. Now, about that thumbnail text …. 😳
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I have two UHQR’s Kind of Blue and Gaucho. Both are incredible but it also comes down to matter of taste, money, and of course space.
Chad Kassam has a great UA-cam video on the history of UHQR on his acoustic sounds channel. The 200g supervinyl flat profile was proprietary to JVC who manufactured the UHQR pressings. There were several labels that licensed the UHQR trademark from JVC and issued UHQR titles including Telarc, Reference Recordings, Mark Levinson as well as MFSL.
Should have combined the 2 lps and mastered them onto 3 discs if you insist on 45 rpm. Would have fit nicely in one package at $225 Panning on piano in stereo is not a good thing as an engineer especially when it’s discrete. Ps Dave jones engineering is spectacular. If only Rudy could have picked up some tips on how Dave recorded this remotely and still captured the piano so vividly
Great video guys I knew Chad was gonna reissue Sunday at the Village . Kevin Gray definitely gonna come with the gusto that Mofi Bill Evans Sunday at the Village is the gold standard for One Steps. I’m going to pass on Waltz but I’m going to get Sunday at the Village .
The telling truth was the look on Chad's face before he said the titles. It was like he found out her was having twin girls.. lol He seem quite pleased with himself. I'm way over budget now...
Most of these releases are outstanding, but they don't really seem to be holding their value. I suppose the limited release of 5K may not affect these reissues.
I heard it comes with a needle and a couple grams of heroin as well. So you can have track marks all over your arms and legs just like Bill Evans. Bill Evans was the greatest drug addict I ever read about.
Have the 33s from OJC, vinyl perfection reached already. Hardly anyone will go for 4 x the price for a split LP. Sorry. This is the audiophile-initiated madness that has to stop. Simple.
Coming so soon after the OJC reissues I am underwhelmed at this news. It almost feels like a money grab, though I hate to say that. Can we also just stop with the 45s already? No one who really likes the music likes 45s.
I don't own a single 2lp 45rpm pressing and I'll be keeping it that way. The small sq improvement isn't enough to compensate for the disruption of the flow of the album
@@JazzBums I didn’t mean to say that exactly (even though I guess I did), and I try to stay away from the class wars. I just feel like there are a lot of records that would benefit from 1/4 of the attention these records get. And there speaking as someone who has 4 copies of this between cd versions and LP. Will always hate 45s though lol. Even though I have a few.
I find it funny, actually ridiculous that anyone would buy any UHQR or anything like these high end pressings WITH OUT THE HIGH END QUALITY AUDIO EQUIPMENT TO LISTEN TO THEM ON. I'm looking at the stereo equipment in the background of Chris for example and I laugh. His turntable alone would not get the cost of one of these albums in a used sale 😅, then there is the receiver too 😂. Now I'm no mega expensive audiofile owner but my system is light yrs above what 90% of you UA-cam channel VC video makers use and I'm fine with my OG or remastered copies I spin. I see too often these videos promoting new expensive reissues by reviewers who have sub par equipment. So wrong 😮.
Literally no one cares about your supposedly high end system. You obviously have trouble understanding human language. I literally said I am not going to buy these and that my system isn't that expensive. At the same time your account is a week old, so you are probably some troll. Let this be your one warning. Dickheads don't make it in our comment section, so if you don't have anything nice to say, just shut the fuck up and go away. - Chris
@@JazzBums Wow such anger mixed with unnecessary profanity and derogatory name calling. All this immature rhetoric over receiving a comment that was not positive for you. I think you are not a stable person. Perhaps your mother didn't praise you enough growing up or maybe you never did grow up. I never call UA-cam video makers dickheads or tell them to F off. Perhaps the UA-cam Overlords would like to read your nasty reply? Sounds like a good idea, what you think? Such childish anger and insults just because you received a negative comment. Totally uncalled for vulgar display of immaturity and poor restraint of ones emotions all due because you were not showered with accolades you seem to desire. I will remember Jazz Bums that's for sure.
Let me think about this; all analog 33.33 OJCs for $40? Or split up the record into two double LPs in a box for $150. Hard choices 😵💫 these won’t work for date night like the 33s
Probably a very few people have systems with the resolution to reveal any difference at all.
@@Palace_Hi-Fi it was interesting to hear Steve Hoffman’s take on the comparison of 33s versus the 45 double albums and flipping. Sure he has done some himself, be he feels that they really are not that much better and any improvement is marginal at best.
@@mazzysmusic I heard Kevin Gray say that he prefers 33s because it was what the artists intended. I think that was an interview with the In Groove Mike.
You are so right, Mazzy. This is just bloated.
I just bought those sweet OJC BE releases. Don’t feel the need for the UHQR.
Thanks for the update, Bums 😀
The music on these albums definitely is "must have" for every jazz-interested person: The (for me) best jazz pianist in the best trio he ever had.
What bothers me more with these releases are 3 things:
1) The music - and thus the listening experience - broken up into 4 sides/parts. I really don't like this "technical over musical" priority (which is wide spread in these years - Atlantic 75-series etc.). This was not the original intention with this album (which is good sounding but not "audiophile").
2) We were told (by Chad) that the LPs in the Riverside Recordings box set (of these 2 and others) were the best and definitive versions. For that reason I bought the box (great sounding but with some flaws also) when it was announces as last repress.
But now it seems they were NOT the definitive and best versions...
I have no problem with trying to make things (sound) better - but just don't tell us this is "the definitive version", and then come up w. another "definitive version" a few years later. Makes one think: What willl the next definitive version of these albums be? Monos maybe?
3) And then there is the UHQR-box... What a waste of resources, money and shelf space. Again: Not the original concept (Craft got it right!).
Who the hell came up with the idea: "Hey - let's make it look like some kind of book - that's more classy". But it's not - it's just bloated.
I'd like to add that it's not because I have trouble or can't pay the $150 (my MoFi "Sunday..." cost me considerably more) for a product that reflects the original with a clearly better quality than could be achieved elsewhere. But not for this release because it isn't that.
So I'll ll pass on this - and my advise to others would be to get the new Craft OJC 33 rpm. THAT is the kind of re-relases there should be more of: True to the original, great sounding and very affordable.
Hey guys just like to say I’m a year into getting into jazz and I am really enjoying your show with the three of you. You bounce off each other so well. I don’t do vinyl because I can’t handle the hiss and pop that can come with some older albums I do digital downloads and CD. But your reviews then give me the opportunity to hunt out the album and have a listen on line. Thanks
@@earl007 thanks for watching and the nice comment. I’m a music first, not stuck with a format. It’s nice to hear that you are enjoying it. I play a lot of CDs and my digital files as well. Thanks for the support! F
Do you realize on the initial image of the stream the Bill Evan’s picture looks like it says Anal productions?
@@moogoomoogoo5990 lol unintentional! But yes Chris pointed this out after we posted the video, we were waiting for someone to comment about this. You are the winner! - Mike
Thank you for the video! I preordered both albums, a big fan of both. I do own the 45 rpm by AP, LP’s and the box set which I bought because I only had 7 of them on LP. I like the new OJC very much, but I’m excited about this new treatment. The cost is high but it’s worth it for those two albums, still cheaper than the EC. For me, Sunday at the Village is the best Bill Evan’s album, however, as Chad said, those two albums complete each other. I don’t mind getting out of my seat to turn sides, actually, if Bill was alive, I would go watch him play standing the whole time, he is the best!
I preordered both titles. I don't have the Boxset nor the OJC's. Very happy Bill Evans gets the UHQR treatment.
Would be interested to hear this panel's thoughts as to whether someone really needs a high end audio system to appreciate the quality of these recordings. I'm skeptical that I would with my Music Hall turntable, Denon receiver and Dali bookshelfs.
I did mention this in the video briefly but I also think that is an overblown concept. I have a Technics 1200 with a 2M blue, a Cambridge preamp, going into a cheap Onkyo amp that powers some affordable Andrew Jones designed Pioneers on my desk. It is a very affordable setup and sounds good to me. It is in my office so isn't meant to be some audiophile wet dream. I have a couple UHQRs and One Steps and they sound great to me. I also have decided that I would not be buying these anymore unless it was just a very special release to me.
Having said all that, I can tell on my setup that the Kind of Blue UHQR sounds better than the Sony Legacy version I had before. I can also tell that I prefer the Miles MOFI stuff compared to a few originals I have. Is my system pulling everything possible out of the grooves? Of course not, but I can still tell if I like the way a record sounds or if I feel like it is missing something. The Time Out AP 45 has WAY more detail than my OG of Time Out for example.
People that say things like another commenter on this video that belittle people based on their listening setup are sad sack losers that have to try to justify their expenditures on their equipment or they are just assholes that hate themselves so much they only get satisfaction in trying to prove to themselves that they are better than someone else in any way possible.
So I guess my point is you don't have to have a $40k setup to enjoy an audiophile record. Will you be able to tell much difference between the OJCs of these titles and the UHQRs? I don't know. I am betting they are pretty close to each other, with the UHQR likely coming out a bit better with super critical listening and maybe the noise floor of the vinyl.
UHQR'S are not for everyone.. If any titles should be represented on this platform, these are it. Certainly understanding the vision of the series
I'm sure "something else" will be represented as well. The fact that Kevin did new metal work is worth it.
Thanks Bums for an excellent discussion. These records undoubtedly deserve the UHQR treatment and Chad has clearly demonstrated that the results will be astonishing. Take pity on we folk who live outside the US and have to deal with currency exchanges and international shipping. The price will be $300 in my local record store in Sydney, Australia. I feel very fortunate to have the Riverside box so it’s an easy choice for me to sit this one out.
Has mobile Fidelity done an all analog version of these without a digital step?
Yes - the MoFi 45 rpm is all analogue (a bit surprising after all this MoFi-gate debacle).
They state this (and the sources for all the other MoFi-releases) on their website.
Sunday at the Village Vanguard is one of my all-time faves. I already have the Riverside box but don’t have any UHQR releases so, at the risk of repetition, will make the Village Vanguard my first UHQR. Hopefully it is a solid and different sound than the Riverside release.
Same Reissues over and over and over again. Stop it damn it!!!
Not surprised. Hahaha, industry must get somewhat desperate „milking the audiophile cows“ over and over with the same titles. The AP 45s and the OJC reissues are already audiophile grade and sound fantastic to me, with the OJCs offering a superior price value. I am sure though there will plenty of buyers who will want to see under the emporer‘s new clothes or invest for speculation.
Low priority on my wishlist. Many thanks, bums, for sharing.
Can I rent it so I can just hear it once?
LOL. It is for science.
If you guys could buy just one title ……which is it ?
I did just buy both on OJC , they are awesome .
So I don’t really need them but could do one
Waltz for Debby for me - Mike
@@JazzBums Thanks Mike , I heard you say that in the vid , good to know you still think that one . Appreciate it
VV for me- F
@@JazzBums 🙏🏼
Thanks, fellas. Will be interesting to hear if Chad is able to squeeze extra fidelity in this new mastering, 45rpm and UHQR format. Clearly he believes or wouldn’t be putting it out. Now, about that thumbnail text …. 😳
I’ll wait for Felipe‘s review to see whether it’s better compared to the Riverside Boxset.
I have both Sunday and Waltz new OJC versions and they sound fantastic so I probably won’t pursue the UHQR versions.
I'd love to see a blindfolded listening test.
I'm sure some people are spending a lot of $ on a big space hogging useless cardboard box
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I have two UHQR’s Kind of Blue and Gaucho. Both are incredible but it also comes down to matter of taste, money, and of course space.
Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs was the originator of UHQR.
Yup 😎
I don’t think that’s right. As Chris said it was JVC Japan. There are several labels that issued UHQR titles.
MFSL released them and JVC made them I believe. - Chris
Chad Kassam has a great UA-cam video on the history of UHQR on his acoustic sounds channel. The 200g supervinyl flat profile was proprietary to JVC who manufactured the UHQR pressings. There were several labels that licensed the UHQR trademark from JVC and issued UHQR titles including Telarc, Reference Recordings, Mark Levinson as well as MFSL.
JVC produced the UHQR's, MoFi was one of a few labels that released them under license from JVC.
I can't believe Chad acquired the licensing..
Should have combined the 2 lps and mastered them onto 3 discs if you insist on 45 rpm. Would have fit nicely in one package at $225
Panning on piano in stereo is not a good thing as an engineer especially when it’s discrete.
Ps Dave jones engineering is spectacular. If only Rudy could have picked up some tips on how Dave recorded this remotely and still captured the piano so vividly
I wish they would change the box set: it takes so much space and imo it’s quite ugly
I recently picked up the OJC’s so I’ll probably skip these. I bet they will sound fantastic though.
Great video guys I knew Chad was gonna reissue Sunday at the Village . Kevin Gray definitely gonna come with the gusto that Mofi Bill Evans Sunday at the Village is the gold standard for One Steps. I’m going to pass on Waltz but I’m going to get Sunday at the Village .
The telling truth was the look on Chad's face before he said the titles. It was like he found out her was having twin girls.. lol
He seem quite pleased with himself. I'm way over budget now...
Most of these releases are outstanding, but they don't really seem to be holding their value. I suppose the limited release of 5K may not affect these reissues.
Only 5.000 available… Good Luck😎
I heard it comes with a needle and a couple grams of heroin as well. So you can have track marks all over your arms and legs just like Bill Evans. Bill Evans was the greatest drug addict I ever read about.
Art Pepper says "hold my syringe".
Have the 33s from OJC, vinyl perfection reached already.
Hardly anyone will go for 4 x the price for a split LP. Sorry.
This is the audiophile-initiated madness that has to stop. Simple.
Cannibal corpse UHQR is next on the list, cant wait.
Cut at 33rpm.
2lp 45rpm albums can burn in hell 🔥
Iron maiden powerslave can't wait.
Robinson Scott Perez George Taylor Joseph
Coming so soon after the OJC reissues I am underwhelmed at this news. It almost feels like a money grab, though I hate to say that. Can we also just stop with the 45s already? No one who really likes the music likes 45s.
"No one who really likes the music likes 45s." Says who? You? I love the music and I love 45s. I'm just not lazy.
I get the point about the OJCs, but saying people that like 45s don't like the music is ridiculous. - Chris
Also every record label presses records to make money.
I don't own a single 2lp 45rpm pressing and I'll be keeping it that way.
The small sq improvement isn't enough to compensate for the disruption of the flow of the album
@@JazzBums I didn’t mean to say that exactly (even though I guess I did), and I try to stay away from the class wars. I just feel like there are a lot of records that would benefit from 1/4 of the attention these records get. And there speaking as someone who has 4 copies of this between cd versions and LP.
Will always hate 45s though lol. Even though I have a few.
Chad is not doing anything but doing 10 ten big sellers.nothing for actual serious collectors that looking for new titles that no one does
Is this really breaking news?
Yes. Yes it is.
Better than anything you have put in your channel ya muppet
Better than anything you’ve ever put on your channel. You are the skin tag of the VC
@@Harrisongrey19 do you mind if I copyright skin tag of the VC and sell merch?
@@theboomerscalper just as long as you delete yourself and channel from UA-cam.
More boring reissues.how many times they will reissue these titles
No
I find it funny, actually ridiculous that anyone would buy any UHQR or anything like these high end pressings WITH OUT THE HIGH END QUALITY AUDIO EQUIPMENT TO LISTEN TO THEM ON. I'm looking at the stereo equipment in the background of Chris for example and I laugh. His turntable alone would not get the cost of one of these albums in a used sale 😅, then there is the receiver too 😂. Now I'm no mega expensive audiofile owner but my system is light yrs above what 90% of you UA-cam channel VC video makers use and I'm fine with my OG or remastered copies I spin. I see too often these videos promoting new expensive reissues by reviewers who have sub par equipment. So wrong 😮.
Literally no one cares about your supposedly high end system. You obviously have trouble understanding human language. I literally said I am not going to buy these and that my system isn't that expensive. At the same time your account is a week old, so you are probably some troll. Let this be your one warning. Dickheads don't make it in our comment section, so if you don't have anything nice to say, just shut the fuck up and go away. - Chris
@@JazzBums Wow such anger mixed with unnecessary profanity and derogatory name calling. All this immature rhetoric over receiving a comment that was not positive for you. I think you are not a stable person. Perhaps your mother didn't praise you enough growing up or maybe you never did grow up. I never call UA-cam video makers dickheads or tell them to F off. Perhaps the UA-cam Overlords would like to read your nasty reply? Sounds like a good idea, what you think? Such childish anger and insults just because you received a negative comment. Totally uncalled for vulgar display of immaturity and poor restraint of ones emotions all due because you were not showered with accolades you seem to desire. I will remember Jazz Bums that's for sure.