I think adventure handles them the best. They look weird in unleashed, pretty good in adventure 2 and too realistic in 06 but adventure has the best humans, they are simple enough to fit the style
I think they're perfect for sonic games in adventure I like the blocky anime look it makes the world feel real 06 I think was done the worst everyone looks so ugly besides elise and eggman and unleashed did it the best I think these humans are perfect for a game like sonic my one grip is they're kinda un aware like bruh your planet is broken humans should stay for ever game from now on it's so boring seeing random animals imagine forces with humans instead beautiful
It would be weird if Eggman was the ONLY human in the sonic world... it doesn't make sense to me. For that reason, I think Humans in Sonic is a good idea
When stuff like Forces or IDW actively removes any sign of humans, if just limits the story telling potential. Why get rid of stuff like GUN? Or the nations from Unleashed? Why limit yourself like that? To me, the addition of humans may not have been necessary, but I’m happy that we had them.
It will also ruin shadows story. Where did Maria come from and all the others working at the ark? And same goes with GUN like you said. How did they create a mobian.? It was theorised that biolizard was made to resemble chaos to make as the ultimate pife form. But it was unstable, so they made shadow based off the murals that show a prophesy about a hedgehog that's really fast and can use chaos control and go super and even copied super sonics hair style. The humans have been to sonics world or maybe lived there which will easily explain eggman who is living there. In sonic X, it was never exolaind how wasbit that eggman was actually born on earth and not in sonics world. Like how he got there? Sure there is the sonic movie but that's a completely different story and cannon. So if they are to say explain how the people of the ARK discovered the prophecy in sonics world to then create shadow, baby sonic could have dropped a ring that then sent some people to sonics world (though it wont makes sense because it only works if you think if the place).
Have you ever heard of the Two Worlds thing that they said? Basically theres sonic's world and our world. Both of them can live independantly from one another. But sometimes the worlds merge to become a world with sonic characters and humans. I think the IDW comics and Forces arw trying to make it true than just what iizuka (i think) said. But im not tryin to hate tho.
Yeah having a game full of nothing but other animals like sonic... uhhh... idk I don’t think I’d like that very much. It just feels weird to me some how. It’d be like watching a game full of OCs from the internet or something(not necessarily a bad thing visual-design-wise, but it just seems like everyone in the sonic universe becomes special/strong/powerful in some way at that point) Plus the whole reason sonic and his friends can save the day is because they have abilities(related to the animals they are/character design) that are different from what the humans have The only time the humans are of any threat in the games is when robots/guns/mechanical stuff is being used/controlled by them.... by that same logic, the only thing that would really make them useful in saving the day/world is that same stuff But sonic and his friends offer different ways to fight/save the day because they have abilities that are unique to them as animals and stuff If the whole world is full of other animals then doesn’t that mean that they all have abilities unique to the type of animal they are/character designs as well?? Literally every animal I can think of in sonic shows/games at the moment, has had some sort of power/ability If they’re in a world full of other animals with their own powers, then what really makes sonic and his friends so special?? What makes them different than the rest other than being the ones who feel they need to save the day or being the only ones with the courage to stand up and save the day But if you got a world full of animals, each will likely to have their own special abilities already, then why would a majority of them feel that they couldn’t fight back?? It’s not like anybody is being talked about being robotized anymore in games(to my knowledge) so what’s there for them to be afraid of?? I think anyone could understand why humans would be scared to stand up or fight back. I mean, they’re basically useless and very fragile without any weaponry or mechanical inventions If one hedgehog could damage/make explode/dent a robot machine(MADE OF METAL) just with one bounce off the head, then I think it’s safe to say that humans are basically as good as dead if they were to ever piss off sonic and his friends lol With humans, it makes sense why sonic would be the one fighting and saving the day and makes sense why the humans would be cowering in fear or afraid to fight back even if they know that what’s happening in the world isn’t right It also makes sense why Eggman and other villains would target Earth/Humans as hostages or people/a planet that’s easy to over throw If your a villain prone to failing(like Robotnik) or a villain who just wants to exact your plan quickly, then humans and Earth is the easiest and weakest target because it’s full of recourses, technology, land, water, and most importantly, it’s full of fragile life forms that wouldn’t stand a chance against you without their technology which you can easily take away, leaving them defenseless in the process It makes it seem like sonic is standing up for those who are too weak to defend themselves With tons of other super animals inhabiting the world... idk.. it just doesn’t make sense why they wouldn’t rise up or fight back and it doesn’t really make sense why sonic and his friends could do a better job at it than any of them can, when the only thing that differentiates the two is the ‘power of friendship’ and Sonics ability to use the chaos emeralds to go super You’re telling me that in a world full of animals no one else has friends?? Or friends that would want to help them save themselves/loved ones?? No one else uses/invents technology like tails?? Tails is the only genius/smart/handy animal in the world?? Idk... humans just seem to make more sense to me and keeps the focus more on sonic and his friends rather than having me wonder what some background characters abilities might be and wondering why they’re aren’t ever seen lifting a finger or aren’t a playable character if they look really cool
One of the suggestions made by the Sonic Adventure beta testers was "In the Adventure Fields, the NPC's are all human. To add variety, there should also be non human NPC's. Note: An example of different characters that it would be nice to see would be characters from the arcade game Sonic the Fighters and the 32X game Knuckles' Chaotix." This and other suggested improvements unfortunately couldn't be implemented due to time constraints.
@Mason Alvarez Yeah. Many of the problems that people have with Sonic Adventure like the buggy camera and collision detection problems, Amy having the slowest walking speed and only having three levels, mouth movements not matching up with the dialog and many other things were actually detected during the Beta testing of the game but the programmers simply didn't have enough time to implement the recommendations of the Beta testers. If an Adventure remake is happening they should implement them.
Like some cities being like Sunset Heights/Park Avenue/Ghost Town/Red Gate Bridge and others being like Central City from SA2 and Shadow (2005) or Station Square? That could work well, either that or the "Two Worlds" cannon made by Takeshi Izuka.
Yes, they belong, Shadow wouldn't exist and it only makes sense for Eggman. I love when they show Sonic in the real world because it gave me hope that Sonic could be real as a kid(especially 06, and honorably SA1/2/SonicX). Maybe SEGA should show the transition between them exploring our world and theirs.
Shadow is right humanity is cruel and evil. (Like the president of the United States and corrupt lobbyist and politicians. They don't care about anthro or mobian beings even some people don't care about them either.
@@segaspice4062 They didn't fit in either mario or sonic. Their worlds and premises are super cartoonish and exaggerated. Having realistic looking humans stand next to characters like the jumpman and the blue blur is so jarring and clashes with the art styles of the games. It only really worked in Unleashed because the people were cartoonishly stylized like sonic and friends.
@@segaspice4062 how did they ruin the game? Unlike sonic, they were only in one part of the game where the entire point was that it was a realistic world compared to mario's. And still looked better than the humans in 06.
Having a world where both humans and anthro animals inhabit it makes more sense as opposed to the two worlds bs they've been pushing for the past 10 years. The Sonic Archie reboot depicts this idea pretty well and is how I want Sonic's world to be portrayed going forward. Maybe on the mainland there are more humans than anthros, and on the islands there are more anthros than humans. Islands would consist of villages and small scale cities like the IDW comics. While the mainland consists of the skyscraper cities like Empire City and Station Square.
I really like this. This is a simple and effective solution to explaining anthros and humans living in the same world. And it also helps tie in several locations we see in the games. It nice and consistent. Too bad no one on Sonic Team would ever consider this. They want to peddle that two worlds BS instead
I like it too. But two world's make sense because there's more hints at it. And it makes sense because humans eat meat and if both animal's and humans live together it will be Disturbing.
I think MMD Models for anime style humans is probably the best option, as Sonic & his friends are supposed to feel Shonen Anime. I would rather have Yakuza Style Humans in a Yakuza Style Environment for Hub Worlds in a Sonic Game than ever see the Ugly Unleashed People ever return. 06 did a much better job with female humans than it did with male humans, although it's humans aren't really all that special compared to more modern games. While it would be nice to get a much better depiction of humans for the Sonic Series someday that fits the anime aesthetic, what are the chances that Sega won't screw up?
I never understood the hate (I mean, *the main villain* is a human! Though I do think it should be more like Unleashed and less like 06 and match the more cartoony style. Though I don’t mind the more realistic style (except 06) I honestly have missed the humans in the later games.
I made this comment on another video, but the humans should be stylized more like how (and don’t throw bricks at me) the NPCs in Balan look, not the wannabe Dreamworks style in Unleashed.
Humans? Yes (especially if they go the Adventure route but maybe a bit more stylized and maybe a mix of an anime and Pixar-like designs like in Unleashed)
I feel as though you have to have humans at least be mentioned because of Shadow’s connection to Maria, and Dr.Eggman being a human too. But this is only my opinion.
I've said this before but honestly I think humans need to be styled closer to an anime look that closely resembles the famous Studio Trigger (Kill la Kill, Brand New Animal, etc) art style. I specify Studio Trigger because unlike most anime, Studio Trigger REALLY diversifies the body types of their character designs and for that reason it's really easy to see certain designs right next to both Sonic AND Eggman. Sonic Unleashed I'll admit from an objective standpoint really did try its best out of all the games to make humans fit next to Sonic but unfortunately I'm both a 3D and art student who sees issue with calling something a "similar style" just because it's both cartoony and in 3D. What I'm essentially saying is that while it's probably the closest we've had, the "Pixar" art style they went for is not the ideal style that should be how they are for the rest of their inclusion. It's easy to say "Sonic's a cartoon hedgehog so a cartoony 3D style will work" but it's not that easy because Sonic isn't that style at all. Something that's easy to ignore because Sonic isn't a human meaning you can ignore those "differences" but that being said, Eggman then becomes the next important example you MUST compare the humans to and at that point, Eggman does not sit well next to those humans AT ALL and it's easy to see he's a completely different art style. While we're on the subject, I'm going to take this chance to also criticise even the anthropomorphic character designs too but only in the aspect of diversity. Sonic Forces seems to have cemented something else too if not that it's "only animal characters" that live in the world but also (perhaps due to avatar customisation limitations) that ALL of these characters have the same Sonic template body type. Thankfully Vector is still in the game as a good example of body type but to miss this opportunity of sharing these unique types of inhabitants is a pretty big screw up imo. The IDW comics actually did great to introduce Ruff and Tumble in the universe who both blend in perfectly with the other characters while breaking away from the template body type that everyone loves to use. I want to make my own video on this subject one day (probably on under a different name since this is an old one I've had since school) but final thoughts are this: Both humans AND anthropomorphic characters belong in the Sonic universe and both need to be carefully designed to fit next to both Sonic AND Eggman as stated earlier. Either coexisting together in towns OR if not, at least show that there are animal civilisations AND human civilisations even if they aren't located in the same place. As my best possible example, I think the style and designs should be done by the Brand New Animal (Studio Trigger) artist as they demonstrate in the show itself that their skill for diverse body types and designs are exceptional. I know someone is going to take my example literally, it's an example. It's similar to voice acting. Someone gives you a reel of lines that they can do and you don't choose which of those lines you want, you use them as a base to see if they could provide the closest product to the vision you have so that isn't to assume that I'm literally saying "Sonic should look like Brand New Animal", hopefully that clears any possible misunderstanding. TLDR; Yes to humans and anthros living together. Art style = Just prioritise them looking good next to Eggman instead of just Sonic and the rest will fit into place.
Something else I want to say that's related is that Sonic's world to me is not a realistic one. Neither is it a cartoon-y abstract one. Sonic's world is something in between where it has extremely strong fantasy and sci-fi elements that likes to focus on the positives of nature, the negatives of machinery and the BENEFITS of nature working WITH machinery. With that being said, I think both the Adventure games AND Unleashed had the strongest vision of this when it came to acknowledging the existence of Humans other than Eggman. For the Adventure games, I think they didn't lean hard enough into that fantasy element save for a couple of stages where the giant trees and floating islands were present. Unleashed definitely had more creative environments but again I feel they shouldn't have went 100% with representing ONLY real places, even if they did put a fictional spin on them. A couple of places related to Sonic's Universe would have helped, I think.
Finally someone knows what theyre talking about. Drove me up the wall when people praised unleashed humans when they look absolutely nothing like eggman, nor are they anime at all like sonic. But i think Sega already knows how theyd go about humans as Sage clearly shows, and also considering their redesigns of Elise and Sonic man, which is a mix of edited Sonic anatomy and anime influences.
Humans help with the scale of the world. When there aren't any, like in Sonic Heroes and Lost World, it makes the world feel smaller and more isolated.
A combination of both humans and ''mobians'' imo should be the next standard, both are cool and unique and adding in humans just makes it more relatable to us, so let them serve a bigger purpose in the story. I think Unleashed did them the best art-wise BUT I would love to see how the Adventure humans would look nowadays in our much better graphics.
Unleashed had the worst looking humans in the Sonic Series & were completely inconsistent with everything that came before. Sonic is supposed to feel Shonen Anime, rather than Cartoony, which is why we would probably be best with MMD Models being used for humans in future games. I thought 06 Style was the logical HD Rendering of Adventure Style for humans that was rushed & mostly only made to look good for female humans. As for a world inhabited by both humans & mobians I kind of created an alternate reality Earth in fanfiction where that happened.
@@WaterKirby1994 You know shonen doesn't automatically mean not cartoony right? There's lots of ways anime can look, and one of the biggest shonen, One Piece, looks rather cartoony.
@@primaswift8786 One Piece is the weird Shonen that looks like a Cartoon & Never Ends. Normally when 1 thinks of Shonen Anime Aesthetic Dragon Ball Z comes to mind. The Sonic Series is probably best with MMD Models for humans though. Also I wasn't expecting you to ignore that comment of having a fanfic alternate reality where Mobians live among Humans.
@@datdamndog389 Spiky Blue Hair & Going Super Saiyan were aspects of old cartoons? Multitailed Foxes are of Eastern Origin as well & have you seen the Artwork for Sonic & his friends that came with the Adventure Games? Amy's Classic Design was an anime schoolgirl with Sonic's hair only pink. Trust me Sonic was always supposed to be just as Japanese as Western.
It could be a sign that the "two worlds" thing was planned earlier than we thought, but they just didn't state it for whatever reason. Still, I would prefer a mix on the same world.
@@MasterDisaster64 I highly daub this I thing its more likely that modeling many background Anthros would have been to time investing (and in case of the Dreamcast games to harder demanding given that even the amount of Human NPC's was reduced from earlier stages of SA1's development). I mean we had prior to Forces which obviously used the Avatar Maker to quickly generate background Assets (and even than not enough to not look off in big group shoot) had we exactly 2 background anthros these being 2 chickens in the end credits of Sonic 2 (I didn't count boom here as it doesn't take place in the main universe and was made on much less restrictive hardware) And there is just to much speaking for a one world perspective in SA1,2 Heroes, Battle, Advance 3, Sonic Rush, Rivals 2 and Riders 2 for me to believe that the 2 Worlds Idea was an Idea for the games continuity before 2008.
@@rynobehnke8289 In the case of Forces, the lack of varied NPCs was more just laziness or something. I mean, they could've just used the built-in randomizer and then adjusted the results to look normal.
Shadow the Hedgehog handled humans the worst. The GUN commander alone is a contender for one of the worst Sonic characters. I really like how humams were handled in SA1/SA2/Unleashed but Unleashed has the best art style for them imo.
Yeah, the commander made zero sense. His past with Maria and the fact that he witnessed Shadow's creation was hot garbage. And it makes less sense that he blames Shadow for killing Maria and his family, even though GUN were the responsibles, the same company that this dumbass commander it's leading right now.
Unleashed humans are too Pixar-like for my liking, personally I think the anime-like humans in Sonic Adventure were the best looking ones and fits more
@@MilkIsTheOne true, but they aren't really prominent in any later games. I definitely like there inclusion in the adventure and boost games, but other than that they've just been replaced with uninteresting animals characters
For some reason, I recall you going over this topic before, am I crazy or did you cover this before? SA2 lacked a hubworld because of the pacing of the story. I believe that was the same reason Sonic Heroes lacked one as well. Sonic Battle had hub worlds and humans in it. I don't know, I would label G.U.N. as the secondary villain of SA2. The whole game they are trying to cover up their mis deeds from 50 years ago, trying to wrongfully arrest Sonic. And possibly giving Rouge permission to help blow up prison island with a lot of G.U.N. personnel on the island. I too would like to see humans return. What I really want is to see humans and mobians living together. There are some fan art showing it. It would be cool to see some G.U.N. soldiers be mobian.
I am positive about human characters. They ground the existance of the giant talking egg in logic and if it wasn't for human characters, Shadow's storyline would be really boring. Particularly Maria and Gerald. I don't think Shadow the hedgehog should be an example of human characters being bad, because the point of the gun commander is that he is just utterly crippingly wrong due to him being stuck mentally as a vengeful prick.(also, the writing of he game is better in japanese.) In expertmode, he apologises to shadow and invites him over. And the president(the other important human character in the game) is actually really cool, it actually kinda sucks that the man never appeared again. He had very little screentime overall.
I personally never, EVER had a problem with humans in this franchise, not even Chris Thorndyke (who I found overall pretty inoffensive, all things considered). The humans in Sonic are another core facet that fell victim to overly negative reviewers who aren't even truly invested in the franchise. I'll take all the humans over the hordes of dead fish anthro characters in Forces. The Sonic games throughout the 2010's, while striving for brand identity, became a skeleton crew. And even when Sonic's friends show up to beef up the cast, they're literally just.....there. Man bring back the humans!
I think humans have always had a background presence in the series Aside from Eggman and Madonna, just *looking* at places like South Island's Spring Yard Zone and Star Light Zone, you can tell there's some form of civilization inhabiting these areas, Spring Yard and Star Light are very obviously set in cities, and frankly Spring Yard always gave me a Central Park vibe. Moving onto Sonic 2's West Side Island, there's Casino Night Zone. Maybe these islands don't have a human presence, maybe they do. But no one can tell me no "two worlds" bs cause Angel Island doesn't just float through space okay? And I sure as hell know Sonic ain't no astronaut either. South Island even appears on SA2's world map. Prison Island is directly stated to be "an island in the south." This has devolved into a 2 worlds rant, I know But seriously 2 worlds Really? *Edit*: oh yeah, and in cut dialogue from Adventure there's a kid who asks Sonic if it's true he saved the world during the "Little Planet and Angel Island crises"
The funniest part is that one can connect the diffrent locations vaguely even tho the maps do not nessesarily match up. Pumpkin hill would make sense to be close to red mountain and the black arms ruins have to be somewhere around there too due to Knuckles being there before the plot of ShadowTH even properly started. And yet Sega is like:"There is no consistent world, we just do whatever lol". Edit:What the heck was wrong with me when I wrote this? It had so many mistakes.
Having humans in Sonic games really works in my opinion. I don't really like the mobian thingies, as they just look really generic and just don't look good side by side with Sonic and pals. I like the contrast and like the cute anime look from SA1. Overall I hope they can come back and be like how they were in SA1.
I honestly really like how the humans in Shadow The Hedgehog look, I think it's just the graphics and animation (especially when it comes to talking) weighs them down alot. They still have the interesting visual contrast with the animals without being to realistic or cartoony.
Humans in Sonic should be stylized, but in a "cool" way (like Eggman) rather than a silly way like Unleashed. The anime look is the best way to do that, but the characters could stand out a bit more than they do in SA1. The game Ghost Trick has a style of characters I think would work well for Sonic.
Honestly I always really loved the shadow the hedgehog game. I think considering the plot of the game, where the humans fight the aliens, it's good that we see them as ennemies in the stages. This makes it clear there is a war going on since we see them fighting against the black arms. A cool thing we see in this game is how human technology has advanced. What is considered a boss in sa2 (big foot mech) is now a pretty common ennemy in stages. Another example is the big dog mech, in sa2 it could hover above ground but now it can fly out into space.
The NPC for that yellow bus colored shirt guy that sells those power ups for abilities for Sonic in 06 looks like a character straight out of a disney sitcom lol. Well we used to say Eggman 06 looked like the real life Ed Asner when he was younger lol
This is a rare situation where I think a more Japanese Anime/Manga style works better for the human characters. It's just realistic enough to not look weird, but also exaggerated enough in the right ways to feel correct next to Sonic. The large heads, big hairstyles, huge expressive eyes, and larger hands and feet feel correct next to Sonic and friends because it matches their art-style more. As you put it with one of Eggman's designs, it felt like something out of Final Fantasy.
Yes. They've been in since the beginning. Sonic has always had these 3 types of animals; -Humans -Anthropomorphic animals -normal looking animals. 06's problem is that it tried to go too realistic, without thinking how offputting that would be. I think SA1 and Unleashed have the best aesthetic for including all 3.
@@chaomix Yeah I agree they are the main reason the 06 humans are mostly offputting (I think Eggman, the Duke, and Elise work though). But I feel that because everyone else is *too* realistic, they're kind of creepy. Eggman, Elise, and the Duke all have goofy designs, names, or abilities that help they fit. But there's one NPC model (middle aged man) that looks exactly like my grandad did at that age, which is just weird to see.
@@chaomix And the fact that the models are clearly not finished making the models clash with the environment and or vice versa; whereas with the CGI cutscenes it's clear Sonic 06 was aiming for a DreamWorks animation flare.
I hate it that games after Lost World retconned humans to not existing. If that is the case, then why is Shadow in these games? Gerald created Shadow to cure his granddaughter Maria (who is a human). Gerald changed Shadow's memory because of his hatred for... Guess what, humans! And Eggman broke into a militar facility created by... *HUMANS!* If there's no humans, there's no SA2 in the canon, and if there's no SA2 in the canon, there's no Shadow. Is it that hard to understand, SEGA? And Eggman. What is he? Guess what... a Bloody *HUMAN!!!!.* Man. Humans have been in Sonic since 1991. They beong in Sonic games. Case Closed.
Sonic has always had this theme of *Nature vs Technology.* Again and again you see the games present this idea of "living in the now" vs "living forever, being trapped in the past, or fear of the future" and solving that through technological/magical means. The science side of this theme is often (but not always) best represented through humans, hence why Eggman is likely human. For example, Shadow's story wouldn't work without humans. The idea of humans being worthwile to save, to preserve hope and give them a chance is at the heart of Maria's plea and thus at the heart of Shadow's story. If you place anthropomorphised animals in that role, it would become much more divorced from the human condition-- from us.
I personally think combing the 90's anime humans from Adventure, and the animator school styled humans in Unleashed would be a nice route to take, they would look like Sonic X people but with slightly exaggerated proportions.
I actually think it would be cool if in the hub world there would be both anthro-animal characters co-existing with normal humans- That would give the world more of an identity
Unleashed and Adventure did them the best. Maria was good and the humans in unleashed were good. Elise wasn't that great. You know the scene. Except for that blonde haired girl in SA2. She was scary.
Before watching the whole thing: The trouble with human characters in my opinion is that eggman has always existed and is clearly a human. That, and the face that, oh, I don't know, Shadow's ENTIRE-ASS BACKSTORY REVOLVES AROUND THEM EXISTING. And in SA2 he's literally the best-written character. Hell, if his namesake game didn't exist he'd probably be the best written in the series.
Of course humans belong in Sonic games, considering the fact that one of the main characters IS a human! I just don't understand why so many Sonic fans constantly forget, ignore, or straight up deny this?
@@ExtremeWreck Ok, so what game mentions that, hmm? And even if that was true, then humans would still exist in Sonic games! Again, it's all fans just straight up denying what's right in front of them!
Cultured I see not many people know about the Japanese fans of Sonic most think that Sonic isn't liked at all over there that's not entirely true he has a bit of a following in Japan
Wait Japan liked Unleashed? I thought it was the Adventure Games & GBA Games that were most popular there with Cream being within the Top 3 most popular characters in Japan. I heard 06 was met with much better reception in Japan.
@@sophiaquintana256 I'm hoping if we ever get humans in Sonic Games again they look like MMD Models & under no circumstances get Unleashed People ever again.
@@bbumbs747 no, I've actually been heavily apart of the fandom for three years now. I just have no reconciliation of anyone 💩ing on human characters in Sonic games. But I suppose it's to be expected. Some fans of this fandom will find anything to whine about. Am I right? 😂
Like, I know that a lot of fans are divisive between characters like Chris Thorndyke and Princess Elise (I personally love them as characters), but I didn't know there was a substantial amount of fans who were against human characters as a whole. 🙂
@@ashtonwhaley4429 Oh yeah I get what you meant, to be honest I asked my question mainly because I thought it was common sense on how decisive human characters are, but yet again blame personal bias on the question I asked so sorry for that, but yeah its been pretty divisive for as long as I remember, my personal stance is that I do like humans but personally if they made a world where anthro animals and humans coexisted in the hubworlds, that would be way better but I dont mind a world with only humans, heck I wouldnt mind a playable human character .I personally think however that people are devisive about it simply because they find it jarring or because 06 but there may be other reasons I don't know about.
Sonic's world needs humans. It always struck me as strange to have only *one* human character in the game, so I welcome humans in Sonic games. I also appreciate every style used, including Sonic '06. I just... also appreciate the ambition and the style they were going for in '06, despite the flop in execution. ...Damn it! You've made me a Sonic 06 appreciator!
They belong because without eggman there is no villain Also removing humans kind of makes it so that shadow's promise to maria only applies to eggman as he promised to protect humanity. And humans heavily tie into shadow.
Whenever Sega finally decides to bring back humans, I feel like they should go with a modern take on the Adventure style, as I feel like it's a good balance between the realistic 06 humans and cartoony Unleashed humans...
I never really questioned humans being in Sonic's world because well egg man has to come from somewhere but also because Sonic takes things pretty liberally from the Dragon Ball universe and in the Dragon Ball Universe you have beastmen and humans alongside one another the king of the world in the Dragon Ball version of Earth is a anthropomorphic dog and no one questions it. Why should we questioned human being in Sonic's world? Also the Two Worlds Theory I don't think works very well given that many of the plot points from the franchise exist in a human and anthro populated world like the story of Adventure to is pretty damn important to not only the echidnas but also the humans with The Arc Gerald Robotnik Maria and Shadow Adventure one has the civilization of the ancient Knuckles Clan and there civilization being rediscovered by human archaeologists. I think one of the biggest problems with humans in Sonic games is that aside from our Core Sonic character cast there are no more anthro characters so it just kind of looks like there's the small handful of cartoony anthropomorphic animals in a world populated otherwise by humans so that's kind of why they look very out of place because there's none of their own kind just walking around we should see Fox people Hedgehog people bat people rabbit people etc walking around alongside human NPC characters to really give that a fact that yeah this is a world where anthropomorphic animals and humans just happen to coexist.
No matter what style they have,Humans does work in the Franchise and I would love to see them return,also what happen to Elise and the King of Soliana.
I wish the next Sonic game has humans but also anthropomorphic animals as well, for the human designs they can combine the anime artstyle from SA1 and the pixar style from unleashed or if they want to play it safe, just make the humans have the same artstyle as the storybook series (Shahra and Merlina)
I always thought the humans not only made sense, but made Sonic and his friends more special in their world. If there a bunch of other mobians around they really don't stand out that much.
I certainly have always found the element of human characters to be meaningful and important in regards to certain aspects to the lore of Sonic. Whenever it's the case for human-like characters such as Shahra and Merlina, Professor Gerald and Maria and the high pivotal greater role of Professor Pickle in Sonic Unleashed, humans have mattered in Sonic lore and provide a certain edge to Sonic's world. Talking about the outside media of Sonic, I'd say that the movies have a great handling of human characters, more precisely with Tom and Maddie Wachowski, and how the town of Green Hills is influential to this version of Sonic. Because when we do get to see their introduction in the first movie, you see the fascination that Sonic has in regards to them and the town due to how different and interesting they seem. Once Tom and Sonic finally meet, both characters get to nurture and complement each other in their respective journeys, underlying the themes of home and friendship, and exploring Sonic's big trait of helping and changing those around him; lending to make Tom realize how important Green Hills really is as opposite to going for San Francisco. And in the sequel, it's even more stronger because they stick with Sonic at the final act, and when it seemed that all was lost, they rather get their own lives sacrificed than running away. That's how much human characters have mattered in Sonic lore as a whole
If the humans are stylized like Merlina in Sonic and the black knight or cartoony like in unleashed I think they’re fine. It’s when they dip too much into realistic when it’s jarring
That's not exactly true, it makes sense to me because the setting in SA2 are also from around the world. Are you saying Maria's death wouldn't be associated with a Pixar game like Unleashed? They had large amounts of blood that came out of Dark Gaia and almost didn't cut the scene when Sonic's skeleton showed as he was electrocuted.
@@ashketchum6585 I’m saying the humans in SA2 wouldn’t exist in Unleashed because Unleashed changes the humans. Maria would look frickin weird in Unleashed
@@theminecraft2516 Yeah, she looked good in Shadow. She would look kinda weird (I'm trying to see someone better in my mind with the Unleashed artstyle instead of imagining that little girl from Spagonia with blond hair). I still have faith it would look good if there was an official concept art and maybe 3D model of her somewhere.
After the generic avatar fill ins we got in Forces, it made me realize how much I missed the humans in Sonic. Sure you have a few outliers like Elise and Chris that get in the way of the story (and even then you could argue that they at least serve a purpose with the former being a key representative for The Solaris Project and the latter serving as an in between for Sonic and Earth interactions) but for the most part, they fit in with the world building and made Sonic’s world a bit more diverse. Personally I’m more of a fan of the anime styled humans vs the Disney/Pixar inspired ones from Unleashed but I hope that they’ll try to incorporate them again, especially since the Sonic movie succeeded despite going the Sonic X route and having him interacting with humans.
It would be kinda interesting to have a version of the Sonic universe where the people on the ark, including Gerald and Maria, were some of the last humans left, and shortly after the remaining humans on the planet died out, leaving Eggman the last human. Like for example, gerald in his last moments releases a deadly virus (maybe one he was meant to cure but instead mutates it and makes an even worse strain) that completely obliterated the remaining humans on the planet. Eggman survives either through a natural immunity or because he made a cure, but was too late in making it to save anyone else. The virus had no effect on the anthros. It would explain the lack of humans in most games, give Eggman somewhat of a motivation (taking back HIS planet), and would still allow for Shadow and GUN to exist. Don't read the comics so idk if that's been done in one of them yet. But I'd still prefer for the world to have a balance of humans and anthros at least in the main timeline.
I remember I a video recently on the Sonic UA-cam Channel, it was explained that Animals tend to love on smaller islands, and humans usually love on larger continents so there's that I guess
Let me know what you think about human characters in Sonic games! In your opinion, which game handles them the best, and which the worst?
I think that unleashed handles them best. But the adventure games are also great.
I think the humans add to the environment and world building. They make the world feel alive and give Sonic more to protect.
I think adventure handles them the best. They look weird in unleashed, pretty good in adventure 2 and too realistic in 06 but adventure has the best humans, they are simple enough to fit the style
I think they were done best in unleashed. Their designs were cartoony like Sonic and co. It makes them seem like they belong
I think they're perfect for sonic games in adventure I like the blocky anime look it makes the world feel real 06 I think was done the worst everyone looks so ugly besides elise and eggman and unleashed did it the best I think these humans are perfect for a game like sonic my one grip is they're kinda un aware like bruh your planet is broken humans should stay for ever game from now on it's so boring seeing random animals imagine forces with humans instead beautiful
It would be weird if Eggman was the ONLY human in the sonic world... it doesn't make sense to me. For that reason, I think Humans in Sonic is a good idea
I agree. They do need keep humans in Sonic games.
Wait, Eggman is a human? I mean just look at him
@@redjirachi1 Yep,Dr Eggman is a human. The games said he is.
@@sonicthehedgehog3597 He's weird looking for even Unleashed model humans
I would only liek for humans to be in the games if they are in a style similar to Unleashed, they felt like they fit in Sonic’s world
When stuff like Forces or IDW actively removes any sign of humans, if just limits the story telling potential. Why get rid of stuff like GUN? Or the nations from Unleashed? Why limit yourself like that?
To me, the addition of humans may not have been necessary, but I’m happy that we had them.
Blame Iizuka.
I always thought the animal citizens in Forces looked really weird and I couldn’t get used to them.
It will also ruin shadows story. Where did Maria come from and all the others working at the ark? And same goes with GUN like you said. How did they create a mobian.? It was theorised that biolizard was made to resemble chaos to make as the ultimate pife form. But it was unstable, so they made shadow based off the murals that show a prophesy about a hedgehog that's really fast and can use chaos control and go super and even copied super sonics hair style. The humans have been to sonics world or maybe lived there which will easily explain eggman who is living there.
In sonic X, it was never exolaind how wasbit that eggman was actually born on earth and not in sonics world. Like how he got there?
Sure there is the sonic movie but that's a completely different story and cannon. So if they are to say explain how the people of the ARK discovered the prophecy in sonics world to then create shadow, baby sonic could have dropped a ring that then sent some people to sonics world (though it wont makes sense because it only works if you think if the place).
Have you ever heard of the Two Worlds thing that they said? Basically theres sonic's world and our world. Both of them can live independantly from one another. But sometimes the worlds merge to become a world with sonic characters and humans. I think the IDW comics and Forces arw trying to make it true than just what iizuka (i think) said. But im not tryin to hate tho.
Yeah having a game full of nothing but other animals like sonic... uhhh... idk I don’t think I’d like that very much. It just feels weird to me some how. It’d be like watching a game full of OCs from the internet or something(not necessarily a bad thing visual-design-wise, but it just seems like everyone in the sonic universe becomes special/strong/powerful in some way at that point)
Plus the whole reason sonic and his friends can save the day is because they have abilities(related to the animals they are/character design) that are different from what the humans have
The only time the humans are of any threat in the games is when robots/guns/mechanical stuff is being used/controlled by them.... by that same logic, the only thing that would really make them useful in saving the day/world is that same stuff
But sonic and his friends offer different ways to fight/save the day because they have abilities that are unique to them as animals and stuff
If the whole world is full of other animals then doesn’t that mean that they all have abilities unique to the type of animal they are/character designs as well??
Literally every animal I can think of in sonic shows/games at the moment, has had some sort of power/ability
If they’re in a world full of other animals with their own powers, then what really makes sonic and his friends so special?? What makes them different than the rest other than being the ones who feel they need to save the day or being the only ones with the courage to stand up and save the day
But if you got a world full of animals, each will likely to have their own special abilities already, then why would a majority of them feel that they couldn’t fight back?? It’s not like anybody is being talked about being robotized anymore in games(to my knowledge) so what’s there for them to be afraid of??
I think anyone could understand why humans would be scared to stand up or fight back. I mean, they’re basically useless and very fragile without any weaponry or mechanical inventions
If one hedgehog could damage/make explode/dent a robot machine(MADE OF METAL) just with one bounce off the head, then I think it’s safe to say that humans are basically as good as dead if they were to ever piss off sonic and his friends lol
With humans, it makes sense why sonic would be the one fighting and saving the day and makes sense why the humans would be cowering in fear or afraid to fight back even if they know that what’s happening in the world isn’t right
It also makes sense why Eggman and other villains would target Earth/Humans as hostages or people/a planet that’s easy to over throw
If your a villain prone to failing(like Robotnik) or a villain who just wants to exact your plan quickly, then humans and Earth is the easiest and weakest target because it’s full of recourses, technology, land, water, and most importantly, it’s full of fragile life forms that wouldn’t stand a chance against you without their technology which you can easily take away, leaving them defenseless in the process
It makes it seem like sonic is standing up for those who are too weak to defend themselves
With tons of other super animals inhabiting the world... idk.. it just doesn’t make sense why they wouldn’t rise up or fight back and it doesn’t really make sense why sonic and his friends could do a better job at it than any of them can, when the only thing that differentiates the two is the ‘power of friendship’ and Sonics ability to use the chaos emeralds to go super
You’re telling me that in a world full of animals no one else has friends?? Or friends that would want to help them save themselves/loved ones?? No one else uses/invents technology like tails?? Tails is the only genius/smart/handy animal in the world??
Idk... humans just seem to make more sense to me and keeps the focus more on sonic and his friends rather than having me wonder what some background characters abilities might be and wondering why they’re aren’t ever seen lifting a finger or aren’t a playable character if they look really cool
Egg man in sonic 06 is basically one of those RTX memes
I liked 06 eggman...
@@cakelayer me too actually-
I think Jim Carrey's Dr. Eggman is the 4K version.
Hell yeah I love Eggman with his 4 nipples!
More like those 64 bits/128 bits memes
I think they should be balanced with the anthro animals
One of the suggestions made by the Sonic Adventure beta testers was "In the Adventure Fields, the NPC's are all human. To add variety, there should also be non human NPC's. Note: An example of different characters that it would be nice to see would be characters from the arcade game Sonic the Fighters and the 32X game Knuckles' Chaotix." This and other suggested improvements unfortunately couldn't be implemented due to time constraints.
That would be like OG Dragon Ball. That’d be cool
@Mason Alvarez Yeah. Many of the problems that people have with Sonic Adventure like the buggy camera and collision detection problems, Amy having the slowest walking speed and only having three levels, mouth movements not matching up with the dialog and many other things were actually detected during the Beta testing of the game but the programmers simply didn't have enough time to implement the recommendations of the Beta testers. If an Adventure remake is happening they should implement them.
Like some cities being like Sunset Heights/Park Avenue/Ghost Town/Red Gate Bridge and others being like Central City from SA2 and Shadow (2005) or Station Square? That could work well, either that or the "Two Worlds" cannon made by Takeshi Izuka.
good idea
Yes, they belong, Shadow wouldn't exist and it only makes sense for Eggman. I love when they show Sonic in the real world because it gave me hope that Sonic could be real as a kid(especially 06, and honorably SA1/2/SonicX). Maybe SEGA should show the transition between them exploring our world and theirs.
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We do NOT talk about Sonic X... It NEVER happened...
@@ruintheday13 Why? Sonic X was a great show especially the Metarex Arc, in Japanese anyways.
@@ruintheday13 you mean the English dub never happened, right?
Coz the original Japanese version is actually good
I love the humans in Sonic games and media. Especially in the Adventure games and Unleashed.
yea i really liked the anime/realisticish style they went for in Adventure to Shadow
Shadow is right humanity is cruel and evil. (Like the president of the United States and corrupt lobbyist and politicians. They don't care about anthro or mobian beings even some people don't care about them either.
Most people: "man I hate humans in Sonic games!"
Meanwhile in super mario odyssey: realistic humans
Odyssey had ugly humans that ruined the game, Sonic has much better humans and it fits
@@segaspice4062 Hypocrisy.
@@segaspice4062 They didn't fit in either mario or sonic. Their worlds and premises are super cartoonish and exaggerated. Having realistic looking humans stand next to characters like the jumpman and the blue blur is so jarring and clashes with the art styles of the games. It only really worked in Unleashed because the people were cartoonishly stylized like sonic and friends.
@@segaspice4062 how did they ruin the game? Unlike sonic, they were only in one part of the game where the entire point was that it was a realistic world compared to mario's. And still looked better than the humans in 06.
Idk I liked the anime looking humans in Sonic Adventure and sonic comes originally from japan so why not making anime Styled humans again?
Having a world where both humans and anthro animals inhabit it makes more sense as opposed to the two worlds bs they've been pushing for the past 10 years. The Sonic Archie reboot depicts this idea pretty well and is how I want Sonic's world to be portrayed going forward. Maybe on the mainland there are more humans than anthros, and on the islands there are more anthros than humans. Islands would consist of villages and small scale cities like the IDW comics. While the mainland consists of the skyscraper cities like Empire City and Station Square.
I really like this. This is a simple and effective solution to explaining anthros and humans living in the same world. And it also helps tie in several locations we see in the games. It nice and consistent. Too bad no one on Sonic Team would ever consider this. They want to peddle that two worlds BS instead
It's furries. Basically furries and humans. It obviously could work.
I like it too. But two world's make sense because there's more hints at it. And it makes sense because humans eat meat and if both animal's and humans live together it will be Disturbing.
@@infinitedreamer9359 go wacth the sega scourges video on the two world.
@@mediamuncher6982 Why?If the videos an attempt to justify the Two Words nonsense I don't want to watch it
I like the realistic over the top anime style humans or human like character, like Shahra in Secret Rings or Merlina in Black Knight.
I wouldn't call those "realistic". Definitely more so than Unleashed, but that's not saying much.
@Mason Alvarez SA2 CGI humans were ugly as hell, though.
King Arthur: *am i a joke to you?*
@@StardustBullets I mean was an a illusion
I think MMD Models for anime style humans is probably the best option, as Sonic & his friends are supposed to feel Shonen Anime. I would rather have Yakuza Style Humans in a Yakuza Style Environment for Hub Worlds in a Sonic Game than ever see the Ugly Unleashed People ever return. 06 did a much better job with female humans than it did with male humans, although it's humans aren't really all that special compared to more modern games. While it would be nice to get a much better depiction of humans for the Sonic Series someday that fits the anime aesthetic, what are the chances that Sega won't screw up?
It feels like even humans fit more than Zavok
Hell yeah!
it really is
I never understood the hate (I mean, *the main villain* is a human! Though I do think it should be more like Unleashed and less like 06 and match the more cartoony style. Though I don’t mind the more realistic style (except 06)
I honestly have missed the humans in the later games.
I prefer anime humans id say go the detective conan looking art style for them
GUN would look awful in the Unleashed art style
I made this comment on another video, but the humans should be stylized more like how (and don’t throw bricks at me) the NPCs in Balan look, not the wannabe Dreamworks style in Unleashed.
@@prufan Also, the humans in unleashed fit the meta era better than the humans in the adventure games in my opinion.
Humans? Yes (especially if they go the Adventure route but maybe a bit more stylized and maybe a mix of an anime and Pixar-like designs like in Unleashed)
Balance? Balance is good.
I like them way more than the animal people in the background of forces
I feel as though you have to have humans at least be mentioned because of Shadow’s connection to Maria, and Dr.Eggman being a human too. But this is only my opinion.
I think it would be cool to have a Sonic game where there's a mix of Human and Animal npcs to talk to
That would be a new start for Sega.
I can't say anything without going crazy why people say eggman should be the only human AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I love humans in sonic games
Agreed
Same
The only humans i love in sonic games is the ones who where in Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2.
me too
Humans in the sonic games....
Eggman:cough cough*
I've said this before but honestly I think humans need to be styled closer to an anime look that closely resembles the famous Studio Trigger (Kill la Kill, Brand New Animal, etc) art style. I specify Studio Trigger because unlike most anime, Studio Trigger REALLY diversifies the body types of their character designs and for that reason it's really easy to see certain designs right next to both Sonic AND Eggman.
Sonic Unleashed I'll admit from an objective standpoint really did try its best out of all the games to make humans fit next to Sonic but unfortunately I'm both a 3D and art student who sees issue with calling something a "similar style" just because it's both cartoony and in 3D.
What I'm essentially saying is that while it's probably the closest we've had, the "Pixar" art style they went for is not the ideal style that should be how they are for the rest of their inclusion. It's easy to say "Sonic's a cartoon hedgehog so a cartoony 3D style will work" but it's not that easy because Sonic isn't that style at all. Something that's easy to ignore because Sonic isn't a human meaning you can ignore those "differences" but that being said, Eggman then becomes the next important example you MUST compare the humans to and at that point, Eggman does not sit well next to those humans AT ALL and it's easy to see he's a completely different art style.
While we're on the subject, I'm going to take this chance to also criticise even the anthropomorphic character designs too but only in the aspect of diversity.
Sonic Forces seems to have cemented something else too if not that it's "only animal characters" that live in the world but also (perhaps due to avatar customisation limitations) that ALL of these characters have the same Sonic template body type. Thankfully Vector is still in the game as a good example of body type but to miss this opportunity of sharing these unique types of inhabitants is a pretty big screw up imo. The IDW comics actually did great to introduce Ruff and Tumble in the universe who both blend in perfectly with the other characters while breaking away from the template body type that everyone loves to use.
I want to make my own video on this subject one day (probably on under a different name since this is an old one I've had since school) but final thoughts are this:
Both humans AND anthropomorphic characters belong in the Sonic universe and both need to be carefully designed to fit next to both Sonic AND Eggman as stated earlier. Either coexisting together in towns OR if not, at least show that there are animal civilisations AND human civilisations even if they aren't located in the same place.
As my best possible example, I think the style and designs should be done by the Brand New Animal (Studio Trigger) artist as they demonstrate in the show itself that their skill for diverse body types and designs are exceptional. I know someone is going to take my example literally, it's an example. It's similar to voice acting. Someone gives you a reel of lines that they can do and you don't choose which of those lines you want, you use them as a base to see if they could provide the closest product to the vision you have so that isn't to assume that I'm literally saying "Sonic should look like Brand New Animal", hopefully that clears any possible misunderstanding.
TLDR; Yes to humans and anthros living together.
Art style = Just prioritise them looking good next to Eggman instead of just Sonic and the rest will fit into place.
Something else I want to say that's related is that Sonic's world to me is not a realistic one.
Neither is it a cartoon-y abstract one.
Sonic's world is something in between where it has extremely strong fantasy and sci-fi elements that likes to focus on the positives of nature, the negatives of machinery and the BENEFITS of nature working WITH machinery.
With that being said, I think both the Adventure games AND Unleashed had the strongest vision of this when it came to acknowledging the existence of Humans other than Eggman.
For the Adventure games, I think they didn't lean hard enough into that fantasy element save for a couple of stages where the giant trees and floating islands were present.
Unleashed definitely had more creative environments but again I feel they shouldn't have went 100% with representing ONLY real places, even if they did put a fictional spin on them. A couple of places related to Sonic's Universe would have helped, I think.
Finally someone knows what theyre talking about. Drove me up the wall when people praised unleashed humans when they look absolutely nothing like eggman, nor are they anime at all like sonic.
But i think Sega already knows how theyd go about humans as Sage clearly shows, and also considering their redesigns of Elise and Sonic man, which is a mix of edited Sonic anatomy and anime influences.
Who else thinks the burger man status should be a playable character? Only me? Okay
By removing humans and GUN out the modern games, it makes me wonder what they’ll do with Shadow (assuming they’ll do anything with him again).
just reminding you that you made this comment.
Humans need to get fleshes out in like a side stories so it makes Sonics World seem fleshed out and alive
Humans help with the scale of the world. When there aren't any, like in Sonic Heroes and Lost World, it makes the world feel smaller and more isolated.
Don't you mean Forces?
@@ChiefMedicPururu No because anthro animals took the place of humans. Heroes and LW mostly only have Sonic and co.
A combination of both humans and ''mobians'' imo should be the next standard, both are cool and unique and adding in humans just makes it more relatable to us, so let them serve a bigger purpose in the story. I think Unleashed did them the best art-wise BUT I would love to see how the Adventure humans would look nowadays in our much better graphics.
Unleashed had the worst looking humans in the Sonic Series & were completely inconsistent with everything that came before. Sonic is supposed to feel Shonen Anime, rather than Cartoony, which is why we would probably be best with MMD Models being used for humans in future games. I thought 06 Style was the logical HD Rendering of Adventure Style for humans that was rushed & mostly only made to look good for female humans. As for a world inhabited by both humans & mobians I kind of created an alternate reality Earth in fanfiction where that happened.
@@WaterKirby1994 You know shonen doesn't automatically mean not cartoony right? There's lots of ways anime can look, and one of the biggest shonen, One Piece, looks rather cartoony.
@@primaswift8786 One Piece is the weird Shonen that looks like a Cartoon & Never Ends. Normally when 1 thinks of Shonen Anime Aesthetic Dragon Ball Z comes to mind. The Sonic Series is probably best with MMD Models for humans though. Also I wasn't expecting you to ignore that comment of having a fanfic alternate reality where Mobians live among Humans.
@@WaterKirby1994 wdym sonic is supposed to look "shonen", his design was based on rubberhose characters, on old cartoons, sonic is a cartoon.
@@datdamndog389 Spiky Blue Hair & Going Super Saiyan were aspects of old cartoons? Multitailed Foxes are of Eastern Origin as well & have you seen the Artwork for Sonic & his friends that came with the Adventure Games? Amy's Classic Design was an anime schoolgirl with Sonic's hair only pink. Trust me Sonic was always supposed to be just as Japanese as Western.
it surprises me that we’ve never had a Sonic game with a mix of animal and human civilians. it’s always a. all animals or b. humans and Sonic & co.
It could be a sign that the "two worlds" thing was planned earlier than we thought, but they just didn't state it for whatever reason. Still, I would prefer a mix on the same world.
@@MasterDisaster64 I highly daub this I thing its more likely that modeling many background Anthros would have been to time investing (and in case of the Dreamcast games to harder demanding given that even the amount of Human NPC's was reduced from earlier stages of SA1's development). I mean we had prior to Forces which obviously used the Avatar Maker to quickly generate background Assets (and even than not enough to not look off in big group shoot) had we exactly 2 background anthros these being 2 chickens in the end credits of Sonic 2 (I didn't count boom here as it doesn't take place in the main universe and was made on much less restrictive hardware)
And there is just to much speaking for a one world perspective in SA1,2 Heroes, Battle, Advance 3, Sonic Rush, Rivals 2 and Riders 2 for me to believe that the 2 Worlds Idea was an Idea for the games continuity before 2008.
@@rynobehnke8289 In the case of Forces, the lack of varied NPCs was more just laziness or something. I mean, they could've just used the built-in randomizer and then adjusted the results to look normal.
Shadow the Hedgehog handled humans the worst. The GUN commander alone is a contender for one of the worst Sonic characters.
I really like how humams were handled in SA1/SA2/Unleashed but Unleashed has the best art style for them imo.
Idk the part where he tried to kill Shadow with a pistol was pretty funny
@@evdestroy5304 LMAOOO
Yeah, the commander made zero sense. His past with Maria and the fact that he witnessed Shadow's creation was hot garbage. And it makes less sense that he blames Shadow for killing Maria and his family, even though GUN were the responsibles, the same company that this dumbass commander it's leading right now.
Ech, no way. The Unleashed humans are ugly. They look like they belong in a comedy cartoony kid show.
Unleashed humans are too Pixar-like for my liking, personally I think the anime-like humans in Sonic Adventure were the best looking ones and fits more
Feel like humans should serve a bigger purpose
They're a staple of Shadow's origin.
@@MilkIsTheOne true, but they aren't really prominent in any later games. I definitely like there inclusion in the adventure and boost games, but other than that they've just been replaced with uninteresting animals characters
@@tpoboxer
Hmm..
I just got a theory..
What if Anthros' and Human Characters lived together?
@@MilkIsTheOne that would actually be super cool. Kinda reminds me of sonic x
@@tpoboxer
Yeah..
For some reason, I recall you going over this topic before, am I crazy or did you cover this before?
SA2 lacked a hubworld because of the pacing of the story. I believe that was the same reason Sonic Heroes lacked one as well. Sonic Battle had hub worlds and humans in it.
I don't know, I would label G.U.N. as the secondary villain of SA2. The whole game they are trying to cover up their mis deeds from 50 years ago, trying to wrongfully arrest Sonic. And possibly giving Rouge permission to help blow up prison island with a lot of G.U.N. personnel on the island.
I too would like to see humans return. What I really want is to see humans and mobians living together. There are some fan art showing it. It would be cool to see some G.U.N. soldiers be mobian.
The thumbnail alone makes this video worth watching 🤣🤣🤣
I am positive about human characters. They ground the existance of the giant talking egg in logic and if it wasn't for human characters, Shadow's storyline would be really boring. Particularly Maria and Gerald.
I don't think Shadow the hedgehog should be an example of human characters being bad, because the point of the gun commander is that he is just utterly crippingly wrong due to him being stuck mentally as a vengeful prick.(also, the writing of he game is better in japanese.) In expertmode, he apologises to shadow and invites him over. And the president(the other important human character in the game) is actually really cool, it actually kinda sucks that the man never appeared again. He had very little screentime overall.
I never understood the hate for human characters in sonic games. Literally in sonic 1 we had a human- named eggman
The same guys who came with the "shitty friends" bullshit.
I personally never, EVER had a problem with humans in this franchise, not even Chris Thorndyke (who I found overall pretty inoffensive, all things considered). The humans in Sonic are another core facet that fell victim to overly negative reviewers who aren't even truly invested in the franchise. I'll take all the humans over the hordes of dead fish anthro characters in Forces. The Sonic games throughout the 2010's, while striving for brand identity, became a skeleton crew. And even when Sonic's friends show up to beef up the cast, they're literally just.....there. Man bring back the humans!
Agreed.
I think humans have always had a background presence in the series
Aside from Eggman and Madonna, just *looking* at places like South Island's Spring Yard Zone and Star Light Zone, you can tell there's some form of civilization inhabiting these areas, Spring Yard and Star Light are very obviously set in cities, and frankly Spring Yard always gave me a Central Park vibe. Moving onto Sonic 2's West Side Island, there's Casino Night Zone. Maybe these islands don't have a human presence, maybe they do. But no one can tell me no "two worlds" bs cause Angel Island doesn't just float through space okay? And I sure as hell know Sonic ain't no astronaut either. South Island even appears on SA2's world map. Prison Island is directly stated to be "an island in the south." This has devolved into a 2 worlds rant, I know
But seriously
2 worlds
Really?
*Edit*: oh yeah, and in cut dialogue from Adventure there's a kid who asks Sonic if it's true he saved the world during the "Little Planet and Angel Island crises"
The funniest part is that one can connect the diffrent locations vaguely even tho the maps do not nessesarily match up. Pumpkin hill would make sense to be close to red mountain and the black arms ruins have to be somewhere around there too due to Knuckles being there before the plot of ShadowTH even properly started.
And yet Sega is like:"There is no consistent world, we just do whatever lol".
Edit:What the heck was wrong with me when I wrote this? It had so many mistakes.
@@lpfan4491spelling mistakes or something else?
@@gaminganimators7000 Yes, before the edit it read like I wrote it high and drunk.
"no humans in sonic games"
me: what about eggman???
People be saying that he is literally an egg just to justify it 🤣
@@lpfan4491 Lmao
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“Sonic 06 is the most realistic depiction of eggman”
Jim Carrey: *allow me to introduce myself*
Having humans in Sonic games really works in my opinion. I don't really like the mobian thingies, as they just look really generic and just don't look good side by side with Sonic and pals. I like the contrast and like the cute anime look from SA1. Overall I hope they can come back and be like how they were in SA1.
Ya forgot the most complex Human Character:Catgirl from OVA
Her lore was so deep I'd need an entire video dedicated to it fr
@@chaomix Don't forget her father,President OVA
@@realsalu634 Documentary
@@chaomix lol
The thumbnail is "way past cool" personified. XD👍
Ayyyy, I'm glad that you prefer the designs of SA1 and SA2 humans more than the other designs! I thought I was the only one XD
Nice video, btw!
Top tier thumbnail
I honestly really like how the humans in Shadow The Hedgehog look, I think it's just the graphics and animation (especially when it comes to talking) weighs them down alot. They still have the interesting visual contrast with the animals without being to realistic or cartoony.
Humans in Sonic should be stylized, but in a "cool" way (like Eggman) rather than a silly way like Unleashed. The anime look is the best way to do that, but the characters could stand out a bit more than they do in SA1. The game Ghost Trick has a style of characters I think would work well for Sonic.
0:12 I was not aware that this video woukd be about the Godzilla fandom, Chaomix.
Humans deserve to be in Sonic based on the thumbnail alone
Honestly I always really loved the shadow the hedgehog game. I think considering the plot of the game, where the humans fight the aliens, it's good that we see them as ennemies in the stages. This makes it clear there is a war going on since we see them fighting against the black arms. A cool thing we see in this game is how human technology has advanced. What is considered a boss in sa2 (big foot mech) is now a pretty common ennemy in stages. Another example is the big dog mech, in sa2 it could hover above ground but now it can fly out into space.
That indeed is the most cursed thumbnail i've ever seen.
The NPC for that yellow bus colored shirt guy that sells those power ups for abilities for Sonic in 06 looks like a character straight out of a disney sitcom lol. Well we used to say Eggman 06 looked like the real life Ed Asner when he was younger lol
Meta moment; Eggman coulda been a a walrus who lost his tusks.
Goo goo g'joob, sorry can't help Myself to make the beetles reference
They have a welcomed spot in my eyes. Great thumbnail again btw
This is a rare situation where I think a more Japanese Anime/Manga style works better for the human characters. It's just realistic enough to not look weird, but also exaggerated enough in the right ways to feel correct next to Sonic. The large heads, big hairstyles, huge expressive eyes, and larger hands and feet feel correct next to Sonic and friends because it matches their art-style more. As you put it with one of Eggman's designs, it felt like something out of Final Fantasy.
Can't tell if this is a cursed thumbnail or not
Definitely cursed
@@chaomix *blessed
I love humans in Sonic, I also think SA1-SA2 and Unleashed handled them well.
Yes. They've been in since the beginning.
Sonic has always had these 3 types of animals;
-Humans
-Anthropomorphic animals
-normal looking animals.
06's problem is that it tried to go too realistic, without thinking how offputting that would be. I think SA1 and Unleashed have the best aesthetic for including all 3.
I disagree that the issue comes from the realism. It's ALL in the terrible motion capture and facial animations.
@@chaomix Yeah I agree they are the main reason the 06 humans are mostly offputting (I think Eggman, the Duke, and Elise work though).
But I feel that because everyone else is *too* realistic, they're kind of creepy. Eggman, Elise, and the Duke all have goofy designs, names, or abilities that help they fit.
But there's one NPC model (middle aged man) that looks exactly like my grandad did at that age, which is just weird to see.
@@chaomix And the fact that the models are clearly not finished making the models clash with the environment and or vice versa; whereas with the CGI cutscenes it's clear Sonic 06 was aiming for a DreamWorks animation flare.
I hate it that games after Lost World retconned humans to not existing. If that is the case, then why is Shadow in these games?
Gerald created Shadow to cure his granddaughter Maria (who is a human). Gerald changed Shadow's memory because of his hatred for... Guess what, humans!
And Eggman broke into a militar facility created by... *HUMANS!*
If there's no humans, there's no SA2 in the canon, and if there's no SA2 in the canon, there's no Shadow.
Is it that hard to understand, SEGA?
And Eggman. What is he? Guess what... a Bloody *HUMAN!!!!.* Man. Humans have been in Sonic since 1991. They beong in Sonic games. Case Closed.
Sonic has always had this theme of *Nature vs Technology.* Again and again you see the games present this idea of "living in the now" vs "living forever, being trapped in the past, or fear of the future" and solving that through technological/magical means. The science side of this theme is often (but not always) best represented through humans, hence why Eggman is likely human. For example, Shadow's story wouldn't work without humans. The idea of humans being worthwile to save, to preserve hope and give them a chance is at the heart of Maria's plea and thus at the heart of Shadow's story. If you place anthropomorphised animals in that role, it would become much more divorced from the human condition-- from us.
2:43 eggman is just ssj nappa confirmed
Vegeta didn't actually kill him he just sent him to another dimension
i kinda like the stark contrast in art styles, something about it just feels right to me
I like the idea of Sonic's world only having anthropomorphic animals makes eggman a "anthro human" human^2
I personally think combing the 90's anime humans from Adventure, and the animator school styled humans in Unleashed would be a nice route to take, they would look like Sonic X people but with slightly exaggerated proportions.
I actually think it would be cool if in the hub world there would be both anthro-animal characters co-existing with normal humans-
That would give the world more of an identity
Humans absolutely belong in sonic, some of the best sonic stories have humans in them, plus eggman can’t be alone
Unleashed and Adventure did them the best.
Maria was good and the humans in unleashed were good. Elise wasn't that great. You know the scene.
Except for that blonde haired girl in SA2. She was scary.
Before watching the whole thing: The trouble with human characters in my opinion is that eggman has always existed and is clearly a human. That, and the face that, oh, I don't know, Shadow's ENTIRE-ASS BACKSTORY REVOLVES AROUND THEM EXISTING. And in SA2 he's literally the best-written character. Hell, if his namesake game didn't exist he'd probably be the best written in the series.
Of course humans belong in Sonic games, considering the fact that one of the main characters IS a human! I just don't understand why so many Sonic fans constantly forget, ignore, or straight up deny this?
Because Eggman is isolated from other humans most of the time?
@@ExtremeWreck Ok, so what game mentions that, hmm? And even if that was true, then humans would still exist in Sonic games!
Again, it's all fans just straight up denying what's right in front of them!
Chaomix: I didn’t consider him as human
Egg man: pulls out gun*
3:00
Especially Japanese fans genuinely love Sonic 06 and Unleashed, and they really hope that human characters will return.
Cultured I see
not many people know about the Japanese fans of Sonic most think that Sonic isn't liked at all over there that's not entirely true he has a bit of a following in Japan
Wait Japan liked Unleashed? I thought it was the Adventure Games & GBA Games that were most popular there with Cream being within the Top 3 most popular characters in Japan. I heard 06 was met with much better reception in Japan.
I like humans in sonic games
@@sophiaquintana256 I'm hoping if we ever get humans in Sonic Games again they look like MMD Models & under no circumstances get Unleashed People ever again.
When I saw the thumbnail, I wondered how a human body can even do the Sonic Adventure pose lmao
The thumbnail is one of the funniest thumbnail art I've ever seen
This is the best thumbnail I've ever seen
I had no idea humans in Sonic games were so divisive to fans. 😮
I actually really liked humans in Sonic games! 😁
Well now you know, also just curious are you new in the Sonic fandom
@@bbumbs747 no, I've actually been heavily apart of the fandom for three years now. I just have no reconciliation of anyone 💩ing on human characters in Sonic games.
But I suppose it's to be expected. Some fans of this fandom will find anything to whine about. Am I right? 😂
Like, I know that a lot of fans are divisive between characters like Chris Thorndyke and Princess Elise (I personally love them as characters), but I didn't know there was a substantial amount of fans who were against human characters as a whole. 🙂
@@ashtonwhaley4429 Oh yeah I get what you meant, to be honest I asked my question mainly because I thought it was common sense on how decisive human characters are, but yet again blame personal bias on the question I asked so sorry for that, but yeah its been pretty divisive for as long as I remember, my personal stance is that I do like humans but personally if they made a world where anthro animals and humans coexisted in the hubworlds, that would be way better but I dont mind a world with only humans, heck I wouldnt mind a playable human character .I personally think however that people are devisive about it simply because they find it jarring or because 06 but there may be other reasons I don't know about.
@@ashtonwhaley4429 Because it's Sonic.
And also because sonic 06 happened.
Sonic's world needs humans. It always struck me as strange to have only *one* human character in the game, so I welcome humans in Sonic games. I also appreciate every style used, including Sonic '06. I just... also appreciate the ambition and the style they were going for in '06, despite the flop in execution.
...Damn it! You've made me a Sonic 06 appreciator!
They belong because without eggman there is no villain
Also removing humans kind of makes it so that shadow's promise to maria only applies to eggman as he promised to protect humanity.
And humans heavily tie into shadow.
Whenever Sega finally decides to bring back humans, I feel like they should go with a modern take on the Adventure style, as I feel like it's a good balance between the realistic 06 humans and cartoony Unleashed humans...
The difference in art style between Humans and Sonic is an element I love and believe it would be a mistake to be away with it forever.
Bro I just want fucking consistency in this universe, what fucking planet are we on anymore?
I never really questioned humans being in Sonic's world because well egg man has to come from somewhere but also because Sonic takes things pretty liberally from the Dragon Ball universe and in the Dragon Ball Universe you have beastmen and humans alongside one another the king of the world in the Dragon Ball version of Earth is a anthropomorphic dog and no one questions it.
Why should we questioned human being in Sonic's world? Also the Two Worlds Theory I don't think works very well given that many of the plot points from the franchise exist in a human and anthro populated world like the story of Adventure to is pretty damn important to not only the echidnas but also the humans with The Arc Gerald Robotnik Maria and Shadow Adventure one has the civilization of the ancient Knuckles Clan and there civilization being rediscovered by human archaeologists.
I think one of the biggest problems with humans in Sonic games is that aside from our Core Sonic character cast there are no more anthro characters so it just kind of looks like there's the small handful of cartoony anthropomorphic animals in a world populated otherwise by humans so that's kind of why they look very out of place because there's none of their own kind just walking around we should see Fox people Hedgehog people bat people rabbit people etc walking around alongside human NPC characters to really give that a fact that yeah this is a world where anthropomorphic animals and humans just happen to coexist.
The thumbnail art is both intriguing and disturbing. I can’t look away.
Imagine Sonic, & Eggman fused together.
*E G G H O G*
Sonman the Hedgegg
@@D00DM00D 10000000000000000000000000000000000000/10 best name ever
No matter what style they have,Humans does work in the Franchise and I would love to see them return,also what happen to Elise and the King of Soliana.
I wish the next Sonic game has humans but also anthropomorphic animals as well, for the human designs they can combine the anime artstyle from SA1 and the pixar style from unleashed or if they want to play it safe, just make the humans have the same artstyle as the storybook series (Shahra and Merlina)
the thumbnail made my day...
If humans shouldn't exist in the games then try to explain Rouge's purpose and Shadow and Eggman's entire existence
when you reallise chaomix still wets the bed because he can't sub to himself
5:29 Warning: Clucky jumpscare
That was so adorable 😊
I always thought the humans not only made sense, but made Sonic and his friends more special in their world. If there a bunch of other mobians around they really don't stand out that much.
I don't want humans, I want space ninjas.
I certainly have always found the element of human characters to be meaningful and important in regards to certain aspects to the lore of Sonic. Whenever it's the case for human-like characters such as Shahra and Merlina, Professor Gerald and Maria and the high pivotal greater role of Professor Pickle in Sonic Unleashed, humans have mattered in Sonic lore and provide a certain edge to Sonic's world.
Talking about the outside media of Sonic, I'd say that the movies have a great handling of human characters, more precisely with Tom and Maddie Wachowski, and how the town of Green Hills is influential to this version of Sonic. Because when we do get to see their introduction in the first movie, you see the fascination that Sonic has in regards to them and the town due to how different and interesting they seem. Once Tom and Sonic finally meet, both characters get to nurture and complement each other in their respective journeys, underlying the themes of home and friendship, and exploring Sonic's big trait of helping and changing those around him; lending to make Tom realize how important Green Hills really is as opposite to going for San Francisco. And in the sequel, it's even more stronger because they stick with Sonic at the final act, and when it seemed that all was lost, they rather get their own lives sacrificed than running away. That's how much human characters have mattered in Sonic lore as a whole
PRO: "They range from pretty ugly" got me wheezing
CON: Burger Man doing the SA1 pose
If the humans are stylized like Merlina in Sonic and the black knight or cartoony like in unleashed I think they’re fine. It’s when they dip too much into realistic when it’s jarring
I say yes cause Eggman being the only humans makes no sense.
Adventure 2 humans were great. If we use Unleashed humans we cannot have characters like Maria or the President
That's not exactly true, it makes sense to me because the setting in SA2 are also from around the world. Are you saying Maria's death wouldn't be associated with a Pixar game like Unleashed? They had large amounts of blood that came out of Dark Gaia and almost didn't cut the scene when Sonic's skeleton showed as he was electrocuted.
@@ashketchum6585 I’m saying the humans in SA2 wouldn’t exist in Unleashed because Unleashed changes the humans. Maria would look frickin weird in Unleashed
@@theminecraft2516 I mean, she looked weird in SA2 with all that make-up and think she'd look her age(12), like Sonic X. Thanks for replying
@@ashketchum6585 She looked the best in Shadow The Hedgehog, Maria in Unleashed would look weird.
@@theminecraft2516 Yeah, she looked good in Shadow. She would look kinda weird (I'm trying to see someone better in my mind with the Unleashed artstyle instead of imagining that little girl from Spagonia with blond hair). I still have faith it would look good if there was an official concept art and maybe 3D model of her somewhere.
Yes! After all, the Mr. Burger Man Statue let us play halfway through Emerald Coast as Tails and Knuckles!
After the generic avatar fill ins we got in Forces, it made me realize how much I missed the humans in Sonic. Sure you have a few outliers like Elise and Chris that get in the way of the story (and even then you could argue that they at least serve a purpose with the former being a key representative for The Solaris Project and the latter serving as an in between for Sonic and Earth interactions) but for the most part, they fit in with the world building and made Sonic’s world a bit more diverse. Personally I’m more of a fan of the anime styled humans vs the Disney/Pixar inspired ones from Unleashed but I hope that they’ll try to incorporate them again, especially since the Sonic movie succeeded despite going the Sonic X route and having him interacting with humans.
0:29 ha! jokes on you Chaomix I don’t have a bed ( laughing turns to crying)
What are these subtitles💀
Holy shit, that thumbnail is worth the watch alone.
It would be kinda interesting to have a version of the Sonic universe where the people on the ark, including Gerald and Maria, were some of the last humans left, and shortly after the remaining humans on the planet died out, leaving Eggman the last human. Like for example, gerald in his last moments releases a deadly virus (maybe one he was meant to cure but instead mutates it and makes an even worse strain) that completely obliterated the remaining humans on the planet. Eggman survives either through a natural immunity or because he made a cure, but was too late in making it to save anyone else. The virus had no effect on the anthros. It would explain the lack of humans in most games, give Eggman somewhat of a motivation (taking back HIS planet), and would still allow for Shadow and GUN to exist. Don't read the comics so idk if that's been done in one of them yet. But I'd still prefer for the world to have a balance of humans and anthros at least in the main timeline.
Humans live in continents while animals people live in island
Boom two worlds is done
James the Human in his own game ¡James Adventure!
I remember I a video recently on the Sonic UA-cam Channel, it was explained that Animals tend to love on smaller islands, and humans usually love on larger continents so there's that I guess