this lack of traction at start on turbo was so funny, it's almost like "where's my grip, did anyone seen my grip?" while n/a just flawlessly accelerated, also DTM seems more stable on corners, and I like in some way screaming cars so I'll be with n/a with all my heart
I still remember when the Alfa Romeo entered the kingdom of the mighty BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Opel, to win them ALL! Something written in History for ever. I was and still am AMAZED!
You've taken a brave step into a new world of awesome. Now you need to go start watching millington engined escort videos heres your starter ua-cam.com/video/wVFsD5xjqF0/v-deo.html , once your ready you can ascend to the porsche 917 from 1971. :D N/A all day baby.
If you haven't checked the Aston Martin Vulcan out you should. Also look up Mazda 787b and this 6 rotor wankel ua-cam.com/video/Ay9pTLa3mSE/v-deo.html Amazing cars with amazing sound 👌🏻
Both amazing cars. The only sad part is how increasingly difficult it is to watch these two machines being driven in anger again like on this clip 😕 In any case, both true Legends of Touring Car and Hillclimb Racing 👈
@@driffbro3380 Ummm don't think so...current day F1 car's have forced induction...Sounds nothing like the N/A Alfa. Maybe get your ears checked....or clean the crust out yourself
Farman Shaikh But he's just pointing out that they are both V6's...so sound fairly similar. I personally agree with him, I don't see where a 2.5 V6 sounds anything like a 3 litre V10... Why such a shitty reaction? Some people won't agree with you on everything you say. Try not being a triggered snowflake and accept that instead of blowing up on them and throwing around insults.
@@Spudchucker92 💩🏃👎 there's your reaction you fuckin tool 🔧🔨 Bollocks... an N/A motor that redlines at 12k will have a similar sound to an older F1 car, but hey think what you like...oh and btw, you can get qtips at most pharmacies...your pair of pansies likely haven't cleaned your ears out in a while. LOL #umadbro
It sounds like both. On approach you hear the gritty induction note which is very much like a current gen F1 V6. But on departure you get the wail of a high revving NA, much like an F1 V10 (albeit at lower revs)
Two amazing and unique cars. No choosing between these two,i'd love to have both in my garage.Honestly,i'd pick either of them over any supercar.Race cars got my heart pounding at crazy pace.That kind of reaction i don't get from supercars.Actually,they're not so special to me at all.
Greg Antono The GTA is also based on an actual 155 production car. The DTM car is from the build ground up as a race car, having almost nothing in common with the road cars.
Interesting, how at the big team, they managed only 550 Hp, while Milan Bubnič at the same engine had over 700 Hp about 5+years ago , .... Thanks 4 the video 🙂
Turbo version is nothing special.. in the other hand that 12.000rpm NA is undoubtly 1 of the most powerful NA production engines ever created... not even to mention the Sounding difference!!
1. How is it nothing special? 2. Neither of these are production engines 3. I can name a bunch of production N/A engines making more power right off the bat
@@adodoes8770 1-theres Looots of turbo 4 making 550hp and lot more. So..?? 2- Busso 2.5 v6 engine is production or at least production based engine. So.. 3- name all those NA production tuned engines with as much or more power than this.. i read you!!
Cool clip! First i would have said the 155 ITC is clearly faster, but we made a similar clip some weeks ago... and in the slow turns you can see that the 155 GTA with Turbo and 4WD is a little bit faster. I'm sure it depends on track... have a look at our clip if you have some minutes... cheers
I didnt realize there was a 4 cylinder fwd 155 and a 6 cylinder awd. What were the homologations for either car? Im assuming it has to have the same cylinder count?
I remember watching the touring car one back in the day, was it tardelli cant remember his name rolled it and took all the doors off, inspired me to go buy the tamiya model kit of the car back then.
Gabriele Tarquini, Knockhill 1994 BTCC. Not the same as the DTM version though - a very different kind of Touring car!! ;) Interestingly though the ITC #18 Martini car is also a Tarquini car, from 1996. In between winning the BTCC in 1994 and...not..winning the ITC in '96, Gabriele raced in Superturismo in early '95, BTCC for late '95, and also raced in the '95 European F1 Grand Prix for Tyrrell!
if modern race cars sounded more like either of these then itd make them a hell of a lot more exciting. its why ill miss the corvette c7.r it was the last low rpm brutal v8 in gt racing which made it unique but now the c8.r sounds like the rest of crowd.
@@atomsmasher9 Wrong. The chassis is from a 155 Q4, which is on the platform of Lancia Dedra (835), not Delta (831). The suspension is also from 155 Q4, but that is on the same principle as the Delta, not Dedra though...
My dad has an 155 Q4 with +- 280 horsepower. Trust me, you want the evo or scooby. He's had it for 12 years now and driven it for maybe 3. :P (also , partially his own fault, he's an idiot)
@@RJW14 I've had the 155 Q4 Evo, it was the best thing I have ever owned. I mean on stage the Evo IX and Evo X Cosworth (which I have driven in the past) had slightly quicker times (forest tarmac 'stage'), but the STi (the N17's road-legal cousin) was actually a lot weaker. But on the other hand, the 155 Q4 has very low running-cost and consumer about 10 l/100km of combined city/highway/country running, which isn't bad at all. It is also a very good family car with a boot which is very big. You can't do that with an Evo as it consumes a lot of money very frequently. Please note that I fixed the car myself when it was mandatory (usually road-side on saturdays) and thus I can say that the car never had any serious issues. And talking about more hp, my dad has a Fiat Coupe 2.0 16vT with 310hp, which is the exact same engine as the 155 Q4. Frankly, he's had two engines. The first one blew up, because it was tuned to 290hp with the engine block having around 350k km on its clock. The inevitable happened. Now he has had the 310hp version for 3 years on a block which is in very good condition, and the only problem on the car is the carbon-ceramic clutch he added, which was a mistake as the stock clutch holds the power nicely without slipping. Otherwise it runs very nicely and cheaply.
The DTM car is so low, it's suspension design is probably very different to the models sold at the dealers at that time. Am i right for calling that car 'Semi-silhouette' because it still has some portions of the unibody constructions intact mated with tube frames on the front and on the rear? Hence it's that low?
DTM could be a bit faster, because the 96 DTM cars were F1 cars with a shell, especially the front suspension. It was also very wide. The 93 DTM cars still had MacPherson struts. The GTA, I think is an extensively modified road car, not an F1 car like the 96 DTM cars.
Remember that they compare a proven race car, with all the chassis and traction system goodies with a one-off car that wasn't really a race car. No contest, no matter what size of a turbo you strap in.
We omitted the final result on purpose so we can check what our followers think after watching. Who do you think was faster?? 👇👇👇
N/A. No turbo lag and faster gear shifts.
HillClimb Monsters T/I
I'm gonna say turbo was quicker
Dtm 100%
Atmosphere engine, because of the weight and linear pick power
The N/A sounds and looks better. Both are real beasts tho.
I d say exactly the opposite.both r great
My personal preference is the N/A
Or supercharger just because
I'd say the turbo monster is way too many steps above the NA DTM.
Such an amazing soundtrack with the 155 , especially the NA DTM revving it's nuts off Love it
this lack of traction at start on turbo was so funny, it's almost like "where's my grip, did anyone seen my grip?" while n/a just flawlessly accelerated, also DTM seems more stable on corners, and I like in some way screaming cars so I'll be with n/a with all my heart
I still remember when the Alfa Romeo entered the kingdom of the mighty BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Opel, to win them ALL!
Something written in History for ever.
I was and still am AMAZED!
Without Alfa Romeo, the DTM was dead.
I love this car😍
I'm really starting to like the sound of a built N/A engine more then that turbo flutter. EARGASIM** 😲🔥
You've taken a brave step into a new world of awesome. Now you need to go start watching millington engined escort videos heres your starter ua-cam.com/video/wVFsD5xjqF0/v-deo.html , once your ready you can ascend to the porsche 917 from 1971. :D N/A all day baby.
If you haven't checked the Aston Martin Vulcan out you should. Also look up Mazda 787b and this 6 rotor wankel ua-cam.com/video/Ay9pTLa3mSE/v-deo.html Amazing cars with amazing sound 👌🏻
@@ferociousmullet9287 917K truly sounds like a beast. That Ford is pretty sick to, that response though😀
Turbos sound silly
MAKE N/A GREAT AGAIN!
The GTA sounds cool with all the turbo noise but man that DTM car just screams!!! Always loved this car!
This video is amazing, two great Alfa! We know that 155 V6 Ti/DTM is fast but damn, the 155 GTA with its turbo is impressive too 👍
Both amazing cars. The only sad part is how increasingly difficult it is to watch these two machines being driven in anger again like on this clip 😕 In any case, both true Legends of Touring Car and Hillclimb Racing 👈
@@HillClimbMonsters Yeah, both lovely racing cars 👍
N/A almost sounds like an old school V10 F1 car
Not really. It sounds like current F1 cars, actually.
@@driffbro3380 Ummm don't think so...current day F1 car's have forced induction...Sounds nothing like the N/A Alfa. Maybe get your ears checked....or clean the crust out yourself
Farman Shaikh But he's just pointing out that they are both V6's...so sound fairly similar. I personally agree with him, I don't see where a 2.5 V6 sounds anything like a 3 litre V10...
Why such a shitty reaction? Some people won't agree with you on everything you say. Try not being a triggered snowflake and accept that instead of blowing up on them and throwing around insults.
@@Spudchucker92 💩🏃👎 there's your reaction you fuckin tool 🔧🔨 Bollocks... an N/A motor that redlines at 12k will have a similar sound to an older F1 car, but hey think what you like...oh and btw, you can get qtips at most pharmacies...your pair of pansies likely haven't cleaned your ears out in a while. LOL
#umadbro
It sounds like both. On approach you hear the gritty induction note which is very much like a current gen F1 V6. But on departure you get the wail of a high revving NA, much like an F1 V10 (albeit at lower revs)
They’re both cool Alfa’s so it doesn’t matter to me. I love the scream of the DTM but also the the turbo noises and the box flares of the GTA
Agreed, N/A, supercharged or turbo charged are Coolio to me!
If those sounds were on iTunes, i’de buy them. Pure listening pleasure.
I loved watching DTM life.. That was family sports.. Inremember the RookTeam with their tuned Mustangs.. What a great time..
That Alfa 155 DTM was one of my favourite cars of Gran Turismo 2.
I love those particular Alphas, something iconic about them, like the Lancia Delta Intagralie. Awesome video guys. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧
DTM/NA with no doubts! Awesome sound!
That crazy turbo 155 GTA is a monster, but the 155 V6... what a screamer❤
N/A all the Time 🤪
Nothing beats the sound of a DTM-car....
i love this channel
I love them both in equal measure!
O Ronco da DTM não tem comparação!!!! Espetáculo!!!!!
🍀Cuore Sportivo🍀
Quando le alfa erano alfa,bel video!
Quel v6 mette i brividi ancora oggi, che motore fantastico grazie ing. limone
I think that NA is faster. I love high revving engines.
Sounds so sick
Great vid and mannnn these are to beautiful Italian machines I can't pick one over the other.
Unpopular opinion apparently, that turbo sounds spankin'. The boost gods have spoken through that 155
You can really hear the pistons and shafts moving in the Naturally Aspirated engines and this makes them the best engines sounds in the world.
Two amazing and unique cars.
No choosing between these two,i'd love to have both in my garage.Honestly,i'd pick either of them over any supercar.Race cars got my heart pounding at crazy pace.That kind of reaction i don't get from supercars.Actually,they're not so special to me at all.
The 155 DTM NA of this era...what a beast!!! 😎
That Turbo Launch. Holy. Turbo :)
Great race-cars, thanks for this upload, I believe the DTM must be faster... the weight and balance should be better.
You´d be right 😉 ( DTM - 2:54.55 ; GTA - 2:59.09 )
@@HillClimbMonsters 4.5 seconds faster than GTA.Enough said.
Greg Antono
The GTA is also based on an actual 155 production car. The DTM car is from the build ground up as a race car, having almost nothing in common with the road cars.
@@frenchtoast-d7u Both cars in video are incredible.That's what matters in the end.
hillclimbracingfan
Couldn’t agree more.
Interesting, how at the big team, they managed only 550 Hp, while Milan Bubnič at the same engine had over 700 Hp about 5+years ago , .... Thanks 4 the video 🙂
Still one of the most beautiful saloons ever. Oh how I want a 155 Silverstone edition.
Love all the Alfas ❤❤ They are all special and i will never drive any other brand
So beautiful cars and great video. Well done
I want both, both sound great.
Honestly I like both the turbo spoolin one and the V6 F1 sounding one
Very Nice video. My favoruite car!!
I had Alfa Romeo 155 V6 and I was very sutisfeid.😃😃
12,000 horsepower sounds like a demon from hell 🔥🔥🔥🔥
GRAZIE X QUESTA LIBIDINE...DEL VIDEO..CHE CI AVETE FATTO VEDERE💙👌⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐💪💪
I prefer the N/A sound, so aggressive! But I think that, in the end, the turbocharged was faster. Anyway, two absolute beasts!!
No way turbo is faster
Due mostri sacri🔝🔝🔝
don’t know which ones faster, but all i can tell you is that the DTM creates one of the best sounds i’ve ever heard
Roberto Di Giuseppe e Marco Gramenzi! Due grandi piloti del civm Teramani come me!😍💯🔝💯🔝🚘🏁😉🤗
Is absolutely wonderful as that turbo sound there is one clear winner here... 12000 RPM of Pure Heaven
My most favorite racecar since I drove it in TOCA Racing gaming about 20 yrs ago 🏁❤️ (I mean the V6 n/a)
That put a smile on my face!
155 dtm is the top of evolution. Now day, technologies of race cars are the same!
どちらも素晴らしい。
この頃の車はロマンあるよなぁ。
Turbo version is nothing special.. in the other hand that 12.000rpm NA is undoubtly 1 of the most powerful NA production engines ever created... not even to mention the Sounding difference!!
Why isn't it anything special?
That 12,000 rpm engine is in no way a 'production engine'. It is a pure-bred racing competition engine; so is the Turbo 4-cyl.
1. How is it nothing special?
2. Neither of these are production engines
3. I can name a bunch of production N/A engines making more power right off the bat
@@adodoes8770 1-theres Looots of turbo 4 making 550hp and lot more. So..?? 2- Busso 2.5 v6 engine is production or at least production based engine. So.. 3- name all those NA production tuned engines with as much or more power than this.. i read you!!
@@ivannevistic1088
the last version of the DTM 155 V6 TI used the PRV engine, not the Busso
with the PRV was 490HP at 11900rpms :P
Cool clip! First i would have said the 155 ITC is clearly faster, but we made a similar clip some weeks ago... and in the slow turns you can see that the 155 GTA with Turbo and 4WD is a little bit faster. I'm sure it depends on track... have a look at our clip if you have some minutes... cheers
Emotione... ❤️
I didnt realize there was a 4 cylinder fwd 155 and a 6 cylinder awd. What were the homologations for either car? Im assuming it has to have the same cylinder count?
The normally aspirated car sounds like music 😍😍😍
Aspirated variant sounds as near as dammit like a serious single seat formula car 😎👌🏻👍🏻
It's criminal how much better that DTM sounds than current F1 engines
I remember watching the touring car one back in the day, was it tardelli cant remember his name rolled it and took all the doors off, inspired me to go buy the tamiya model kit of the car back then.
Gabriele Tarquini, Knockhill 1994 BTCC. Not the same as the DTM version though - a very different kind of Touring car!! ;)
Interestingly though the ITC #18 Martini car is also a Tarquini car, from 1996.
In between winning the BTCC in 1994 and...not..winning the ITC in '96, Gabriele raced in Superturismo in early '95, BTCC for late '95, and also raced in the '95 European F1 Grand Prix for Tyrrell!
Absolute a turbo guy but cant lie, NA has something that makes them so damn good sounding
the 155DTM is sooo smooth !
if modern race cars sounded more like either of these then itd make them a hell of a lot more exciting. its why ill miss the corvette c7.r it was the last low rpm brutal v8 in gt racing which made it unique but now the c8.r sounds like the rest of crowd.
Next up a 190 an E30 M3 or RS500?
Those may be very near...
Verzegnis!!!! Ci sono stato in moto ieri!
You post the greatest content!!
This is the awd car i want over a evo or subi
both cars are 4wd. The Gta is a Lancia Delta Integrale Hf (engine+chassis) with an Alfa Romeo 155 dress (and suspensions), actually
@@atomsmasher9 ether way i like it more 😁
@@atomsmasher9 Wrong. The chassis is from a 155 Q4, which is on the platform of Lancia Dedra (835), not Delta (831). The suspension is also from 155 Q4, but that is on the same principle as the Delta, not Dedra though...
My dad has an 155 Q4 with +- 280 horsepower. Trust me, you want the evo or scooby. He's had it for 12 years now and driven it for maybe 3. :P (also , partially his own fault, he's an idiot)
@@RJW14 I've had the 155 Q4 Evo, it was the best thing I have ever owned. I mean on stage the Evo IX and Evo X Cosworth (which I have driven in the past) had slightly quicker times (forest tarmac 'stage'), but the STi (the N17's road-legal cousin) was actually a lot weaker. But on the other hand, the 155 Q4 has very low running-cost and consumer about 10 l/100km of combined city/highway/country running, which isn't bad at all. It is also a very good family car with a boot which is very big. You can't do that with an Evo as it consumes a lot of money very frequently.
Please note that I fixed the car myself when it was mandatory (usually road-side on saturdays) and thus I can say that the car never had any serious issues.
And talking about more hp, my dad has a Fiat Coupe 2.0 16vT with 310hp, which is the exact same engine as the 155 Q4. Frankly, he's had two engines. The first one blew up, because it was tuned to 290hp with the engine block having around 350k km on its clock. The inevitable happened. Now he has had the 310hp version for 3 years on a block which is in very good condition, and the only problem on the car is the carbon-ceramic clutch he added, which was a mistake as the stock clutch holds the power nicely without slipping. Otherwise it runs very nicely and cheaply.
The DTM car is so low, it's suspension design is probably very different to the models sold at the dealers at that time.
Am i right for calling that car 'Semi-silhouette' because it still has some portions of the unibody constructions intact mated with tube frames on the front and on the rear? Hence it's that low?
omg that is the best v6 I have ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The GTA has the better Sound but the V6TI (dtm) it's my dream car
Much respect for GTA, but DTM is just otherwordly.
This car made me follow DTM!
From the pinicle of the DTM imho. I also think the 155 was the best Alfa touring car ever
hear hear- from germany-
DTM could be a bit faster, because the 96 DTM cars were F1 cars with a shell, especially the front suspension. It was also very wide. The 93 DTM cars still had MacPherson struts. The GTA, I think is an extensively modified road car, not an F1 car like the 96 DTM cars.
Time wise what was the difference?
Surely one of the most underrated and forgotten cars of all time, especially in America
Quite a shame, really
四駆のクセに軽くてちっこくて回頭性良くて、確か1万2千回転までブン回るバイクの様なエンジンで今でも大好きなアルファ車だ
Gta sound so nice, but my heart is always with the N/A, the hungry sound is all the way better!
Fantastic!
Like the sound of Both, very different though. I think I prefer the whistle the turbo
Which one sounds better? That's very hard to say! They both sound amazing.
Da vedere col volume a manetta 🔝🔝🔝
Who did faster time ?
where can we see Marco Gramenzi's cars in action?
Both sound nice 👍
Which was faster then? Does anybody know?
Im guessing the turbo is faster but id rather the NA. Such a loverly sounding engine
Remember that they compare a proven race car, with all the chassis and traction system goodies with a one-off car that wasn't really a race car. No contest, no matter what size of a turbo you strap in.
I really like the boosted one 😍
Ill take the screamer!!! That F1 sound though is kinda scary! Hahaha
Beautiful
Isso me lembra os bons tempos de dtm no espaço motor no canal cnt .
I'm going with the DTM, Lightweight + lots of downforce+lots of turns = BAD ASS!
DTM - 2:54.55 ; GTA - 2:59.09 🤫
0 dislikes says it all, what a car Alfa Romeo
a bit of heresy, but what if we made it a low comp 12k screamer turbo?
Eccellenza Italiana!!!!!🇮🇹🇮🇹🍀🍀🍀
DTM sounds better but the DTA absolutely rips, crazy
12k sounds better
So? Who won?