Is There ANY Difference AT ALL? 🤔
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2024
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It makes sense. A cabinet impulse response is just a flat EQ curve with no dynamics.
So anytime you create a metal guitar tone with an IR, you will have to content with a somewhat flat, sterile, uniform performance… until now.
Supposedly the new IRDX Core from Bogren Digital helps introduce some of that analogue feel back into the digital world…
How does it do it? Does it actually make a difference?
Let’s find out.
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Once you hear it, cannot unhear it. This plugin is now a staple (for me).
I wasn't convinced in the beginning about buying this because it didn't seem to affect the tone too much. But after experimenting and watching how other people figured out how to implement this plugin. I bought it. I forgot where I saw a video, but someone explained that the 'intense' setting is great for rhythm guitars and the 'normal' setting is better for leads. This might be tip of the iceberg, but I will be following how other people go about using this.
"This is going to be for the last 5% of your guitar tone." I think that's an excellent description. To my ear it does add a subtle realism to IRs.
Honestly it sounds like a dynamic eq paired with saturation. It's not a massive game changing thing but I can see how it can add that subtle 5% extra to add movement. It's something that can be recreated but it's easier to just use a plugin that has an amount you can use.
I got the MLC plugin because there was something there with the IRDX that makes it feel more alive like playing through a real setup. Great for practicing with!
Bogren says add this plugin after your IR. So if you’re using an amp sim with a built in IR this does go after the amp sim. But if you're using an IR loader after an amp sim then this plugin goes after the IR loader.
thanks yeah that's what I thought
Also goes on each individual track rather than stereo bus right?
@@danieloswald2210 yes
Thanks, Scott. I downloaded the IRDX Core trial and using it now on my mixes. Going to continue to use for the next week or 2 and determine if I want to invest the $.
Maybe you'll get an identical result with a exciter, because that's what it looks like.
It for sure adds some mojo, but would be nice if you had an option to disable that high end fuzziness on intense mode. Now I'd like to try and see if you can get similar kind of thing using multiband expander on lows and highs for example to get more movement and life.
10:56 That's where "Guitar Tone Mastery" comes in! I love this course, the fundamentals alone have helped me improve. Still far from mastery but a lot better than where I was before!
Nice! Man Bogren always bring the best stuff! This plugin seems really cool!
A few of us bombarded poor Jens with this request, peer pressure works!
Jokes aside, the response and feel is like night and day. Essential purchase for me.
Very interested in this. I do miss the sound and feel of a speaker response that comes across when recording a cab w/ a mic.
do yourself a favor and try recording a real cab vs IR shot from the same cab, you won’t hear any difference
I feel it just takes the place of a few steps I do in a mix by adding a little gain saturation to lower end with compression and boost in high mids. If you compared the same steps in a full mix I really dont think you will hear a difference then skipping these steps and adding the plugin.
I really like it in my mix. I tend to do it dialed back a tad while playing/tracking though (throws my attack/palm mute off i think). I think I'm just use to flat/stale/digital guitar tones haha.
If I'm using Bogren IR packs on a different amp sim that isn't a Bogren sim would I still use this plugin?
Just want to be clear - are you putting this BETWEEN the amp sim (with the cab section turned off) and an IR loader, or are you keeping the cab section of the amp sim on and then just putting the plugin after that?
The plugin should go directly after the IR loader. In my case, I'm using EN Hardball which has an included IR loader, so the IRDX goes directly after that. If I was using an IR loader instead, it would go after the IR loader.
I am currently trialing the plugin, and I fiddled around with stacking multiple instances to hear better what it does. Still not convinced that I would really need this plugin.
Can definitely hear a subtle washyness or slight warble effect going on like you'd get from a moving speaker when the plugin was engaged.
I was skeptical going in but hearing the guitar solo'd I could hear a difference. It's very subtle, but it's there.
Is basically the "humanize" function like you get on EZ Drummer for guitar.
I recall Glenn Fricker once referring to IR's as a canned sound.
Looks like Bogren may have found the can opener.
I've been playing with an IR Loader that has a similar feature built in. The Cabinetron from ThreeBodyTech. It's very fancy. It has all the features of the STL Libra IR Loader but more visuals. I'm still new to it as a former STL Libra user.
I don't think the Cabinetron one is done as well as this, and seems more subtle, but I should further test that
The difference is like if you wax your car and don't polish the wax off versus when you've polished and shined it. It's much more alive.
I was watching a video on Leon Todd's Channel where in the Preset, a subtle Tremolo was turned on, and all of a sudden the guitar sounded more alive, dynamic, and real.
I tried it and for me the difference was brutal. Suddenly the guitars came to life, occupying a three-dimensional space. You don't hear it, you feel it. I can't live without this plugin anymore.
So, is the 100 notch the sweet spot, like the Amp Knob series?
Which plugin you use for this tone man ? It sounds massive.
Was using Nembrini Audio EN Hardball here - one of my favorites!
MLC Sub Zero certainly feels more like a real amp setup. Will have to trial this.
It’s a really subtle thing
And it’s more of a feel and less of a hear thing
But there definitely is a difference in sound!
Love it dude!
And I love the riffs!
Plugin looks cool! Good work man!
So you're putting this between the amp sim and the IR? Because the Bogren site states that you want to put it after the IR...so now I'm curious.
Here im using Nembrini Audio and their built in IR, so its going after that. I sure hope so or im an idiot lol
Has to be placed after the IR. Was explained in the newsletter.
Great Video. Pretty much anything Bogren puts out is awesome.
What monitor stands are you using?
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For those of us stuck in apartments with no way to mic our stuff, this is soooooooooo awesome!
Wow, it really gives ''life'' to the IR. Irregularity is what makes it sound more human. It's exactly the same for synth sounds, you need movements, automations and irregularities to make it sound less ''computery'' hehe Sometimes it's cool to have something that sound digital and lifeless but yeah, this plugin is insane tbh.
jts completely static
I can hear it and I can feel it. Have you tried it on Bass yet?
Hi, does this plugin have a decay on live playing?
Hey there, I didn't notice anything like that personally, but to be fair I tend to track guitars with the fewest amount of plugins anyway, and then put this on after
It’s true about IR’s. Like whenever I record my can speaker with a mic you can feel a bit of the movement transfer in the feel of the tone vs a static IR
for me it only added more low end and made the guitars louder. I think it just fools you into thinking it sounds better since it boost db and low end.
also this is what they tried to get rid of back in the analog days. and now we want to recreate it haha.
It really did make the guitars come to life and made them less digital sounding. Made them sound bigger, fuller, more detailed and audible while retaining the clarity and detail of everything sound around them. Usually when something (in the digital domain) gets bigger and fuller it masks a lot of other things in the mix.
I wonder how this thing goes with just using it as a mixing tool not on guitars after IR's.
Ok, so I've been trying it out on programmed Hip Hop drums and VST Instruments, this thing also does a similar thing to all sounds run through it. Really quite a good plugin, only downfall I can see is the CPU/DSP load.
How heavy is it? How many can you run on a big project? @@Mike_Benz_
this is kind of the result why i love o smack tape simulation on my guitarbus ... kind of the same result
Well i tried it out....sound interessting with drums^^
I got DT1990 phones a few months ago, best investment ever. I can most certainly hear the difference plain as day. Thank you for the compare demo and use info!
Low and high end exciter, kinda? I like what it does.
Perhaps, but also adds movement and a 3D quality without degrading the guitar tone - which is a big deal. The last thing I want to fight with is rounding off my guitar tone so that is sounds soft and not aggressive... they've done some machine learning something-or-other... the effect is subtle, but it does work
This tech remember me about mcl subzero, that's great technology
This one is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from that one that was included with that amp(obviously I can't remember shit). However when you move that big round button past the (IDR) mark, it puts a minuscule bump on the high end, and past I think 150 it puts a cut around 18k or some shit. the higher you go the bigger the difference, oh and I think it cuts some mids too, or maybe that's on the amp version of it. I can't remember shit anymore.
What would this sound like with a Rockman plugin ? 🤔
The further we go into replicating reality digitally, the more we enter the realm of diminishing returns and progress will be more subtle.
Kazrog had a similar feature like years ago
Yup... but it was locked into their software, which you can't get anymore anyway... so now we have IRDX :)
@@ChernobylAudio666 true might get it to get the extra realism
Saturator for guitar tones guys, lets not overthink it :)
Jens is forcing to many people to shutdown their chainsaws for a little while, at least for curiosity hahahahahaah
Well yeah, there's a super huge difference
Just sounds like it's adding the hissy crap that I hated when I used to mic up cabs. While a real cab may indeed be nonlinear, IMO the difference is not significant.
If you can't hear differences, you'd better look for a hearing test...
I think dropping the word SCAM on the thumbnail and then rather kissing up and repeating the marketing lingo is pretty lame.
You mean giving my opinion , starting with me openly saying I wasn't totally convinced when they made it a toggle feature on S_Zero, that I had to spend a few hours testing it and trying it out and then I understood/heard what it was doing and could agree with the marketing? I think your comment is lame.
@@ChernobylAudio666 What you are describing now, is the perfectly fine approach of evaluating something you did not know before. So you could have written in the tumbnail - checking out the new plugin. Why do you have to drop the word scam, though?
@@BigMuff75 Because that's how UA-cam words. That's how psychology of interest works. You clicked on the video, didn't you? As you can see, the current trend with this plugin is to see if it's a scam/snake oil or not. Some people say it is, some people say it isn't. So what's the easiest way for me to catch your attention in less than second so you click on the video watch it? Don't hate the player, hate the game.
@@ChernobylAudio666 The downside is, I disliked you video and will ban this channel from my recommendations. Good luck.
@@BigMuff75 Nobody cares, dude. See ya.
Multi-band compression does the same thing, but even better.