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  • @tonyvaughan7398
    @tonyvaughan7398 8 місяців тому +7

    Nice that you understand that it's a show encompassing all forms of model making. Most of the weathering techniques we use on our train sets have been developed by plastic model builders. We all have so much to learn from other forms of model making.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +3

      Exactly man, and the cross pollination from other hobbies will be amazing!

  • @ChadwickModelRailway
    @ChadwickModelRailway 8 місяців тому +2

    Good for you Craig, hopefully I’ll see you on Saturday. Regards Charlie

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah hopefully see you about on Saturday sir, all the best!

  • @KHERTZZ-qt4es
    @KHERTZZ-qt4es 8 місяців тому +3

    Great video once again you are absolutely correct we as modellers in any genre have never had it so good yes some things are expensive but manufacturers are catering for all scales eras and budgets I for one am excited about the future of our hobby..i will try to make it over the weekend but I am also working so will have to see.
    Happy modelling folks.
    Kellerton Road TMD.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Hopefully you can steal the day and attend! 😁 Cheers!

  • @ausfoodgarden
    @ausfoodgarden 8 місяців тому +7

    Naysayers unconvinced. Isn't that what they do? Stuff em!
    I can't attend because I'm on the other side of the world. But I look forward to a few good YT videos that will show off what's there.
    I prefer to bring older wagons up to scratch rather than buying the very nice but expensive new models on the whole, but I've bought some Accurascale ones recently too. Nice video mate. Cheers!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +2

      Cheers mate, I agree, I can't wait to attend the show! I'll absolutely have a video next week showing all the bits that took my eye ☺️
      Cheers!

  • @Proper_Chuffed
    @Proper_Chuffed 8 місяців тому +8

    As someone who has never had the opportunity to attend Warley. Or any exhibition in the UK, I would be stoked for the KMW Live event, I think we should be embracing new and fresh ideas. But hey, people hate change 🤷‍♂️😂 great video Craig, keep well man.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Cheers PC, hopefully more folks get with the program;☺️

  • @gordonhanning476
    @gordonhanning476 8 місяців тому +2

    I hope that the new show is a massive success. The fact that there will be more than just model Railways there may encourage modelers from other interests into the hobby. I won't be able to go myself unfortunately. Keep up the good work. Stay safe mate

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      The cross pollination will be EXCELLENT for ALL the attending hobbies!❤️

  • @mels1811
    @mels1811 8 місяців тому +1

    Brilliant video Iron Horse Railways

  • @ianstransporthistorystuff8175
    @ianstransporthistorystuff8175 8 місяців тому +1

    I am a big kid too and would love a remote control U Boat that actually dives and would fire dummy torpedoes, be awesome that.sadly I can't make it , but wish them all the best with this new show as sounds like it's going to be amazing, have a great time mate and hope you find that remote control JCB Digger.

  • @gordonmcillroy455
    @gordonmcillroy455 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi Craig hope the weekend show goes well. I think its a great idea to hold a multi hobby show. I would like to see more events like these. I cant make it this weekend personally but I will be interested to see the after show videos to see what I missed.

  • @paulcherrytrains3339
    @paulcherrytrains3339 8 місяців тому +1

    Hope the event goes well. I can't attend due to being in Bristol for a few beers. I think a show for all hobbies is a great idea. Cheers Paul., 🍻🍻🍺

  • @andydavidson9440
    @andydavidson9440 8 місяців тому +1

    Looking forward to KMWL and hope to catch up with you Craig. I think the pre publicity has been really strong and professional and I am sure the show will deliver and become a regular feature. Let’s hope they hold the reasonable ticket prices in future. Pausing the N gauge is called creative thinking until your ideas formulate. Great to know the inner child lives! See you Sat.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      See you there Andy!😁 And yes, I need to give the creative thinking a break from N... Then back at it!😁

  • @Andrew-mb8xp
    @Andrew-mb8xp 8 місяців тому +2

    Don't forget the world record attempt for the longest portable model railway. thank you the railnuts. Either way.. I can't make it to any. You guys in Britain are spoilt for choice. I get to watch you all go to these, and wait for the one and only show we get in June.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Plenty of videos coming mate ☺️☺️

    • @Andrew-mb8xp
      @Andrew-mb8xp 8 місяців тому

      @@IronHorseRailways I look forward to them.

  • @marcosborne6540
    @marcosborne6540 8 місяців тому +2

    Re Key Model World show at the NEC. I welcome such a general modelling show albeit with a significant model railway contingent. This is the same model as adopted in Germany for Intermodellbau in Dortmund and the Friedrichshafen show, both of which I have visited more than once in recent years. It’s an excellent way of enabling such large scale shows to survive and thrive. I’m going on Saturday and anticipate the variety to be on show. Bring it on 😄

  • @carolinerogers1057
    @carolinerogers1057 8 місяців тому +1

    Great video as usual

  • @methaneman4045
    @methaneman4045 8 місяців тому +2

    My son and I will be there, all being well, with our Bavarian snow scene layout, Sparkel. Looking forward to it.

    • @DJ_K666
      @DJ_K666 8 місяців тому

      Can't wait. Hopefully I'll find you there on Sunday.

    • @methaneman4045
      @methaneman4045 8 місяців тому +1

      @@DJ_K666 stand B23

    • @DJ_K666
      @DJ_K666 8 місяців тому

      It was great to meet you. Your layout is fantastic!

    • @methaneman4045
      @methaneman4045 8 місяців тому +1

      @@DJ_K666 Thank you. Good to meet you. We bus drivers have to stick together!

    • @DJ_K666
      @DJ_K666 8 місяців тому

      @@methaneman4045 Absolutely!

  • @simontrainsmodelrailway
    @simontrainsmodelrailway 8 місяців тому +3

    Love how you magnetic put magnets into the boxes and that crane, but sadly will miss Warley but one door closes and another one opens, will be interested to see how this Key Model World LIVE performs now. Great video

    • @flipvideodemo
      @flipvideodemo 8 місяців тому

      Don't forget that "Warley" at the NEC may be gone, but there is still a model railway show at the NEC at that weekend! Same hall, same weekend, just a different organiser.

  • @richardswiderski4985
    @richardswiderski4985 8 місяців тому +1

    Great video Craig total agree with you on all points..Back to 00 😂good to see you still love 00.Bet that poor crane will be redundant after your visit to the N.E.C ....Will look put for you and Jen on Saturday.Stau safe Buddy.

  • @panzermarch1944
    @panzermarch1944 8 місяців тому +2

    Some peoples google-fuu is weak.
    Warley isn't dead in the slightest. It says on their website that they where going to be running a smaller event in October at the Statfold Barn Railway itself. They also had a stand, again in Statfolds roundhouse, just a few weeks ago announcing the same thing.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      "your Google-fu Is weak old man, our Yahoo-fu style is stronger!"

  • @DJ_K666
    @DJ_K666 8 місяців тому +2

    Is it the wrong time to say there was a layout with 4mm scale radio controlled trucks on it at last year's Severn Valley Railway exhibition?

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +2

      A remote depot was it? I've seen it before mate, brilliant bit of kit!❤️

  • @bentullett6068
    @bentullett6068 8 місяців тому +1

    I am looking forward to the key model world show as its not just model railway's highlighted at the show. Its all forms of model making. My uncle said he would be there with his model boats.

  • @clivengauge
    @clivengauge 8 місяців тому +1

    Good price on the wagons and some good names on them too like the look of your oo layout and I think you should crack on with the n gauge one keep up the good work 👍

  • @mrbluesky2050
    @mrbluesky2050 8 місяців тому +9

    I think people need to differentiate between the up-coming Key Model World show, with multi-media modelling, as said railways, R/C, plastic kits etc etc. and the November BRM show which is a DIRECT replacement for the former Warley / N.E.C show.

    • @LiveSteamNick
      @LiveSteamNick 8 місяців тому

      Im a first an Aeromodeller and then a Railway Modeller and then a photographer so this show is right up my street!!! Remember them that cant,,,,Teach!!!!

  • @stephencameron4032
    @stephencameron4032 8 місяців тому

    Hi Craig, the club I am a member of,(Elgin Model Railway Club),holds their Modelfair Show every November, and,as well as railways, there is also ships, aircraft,R.C. trucks wargaming etc, because it was realised that in our area, the interest in railways was not that widespread, and our show has been multi -media for many years now, and is very popular, so I think this new show in Birmingham will prove to be successful, anyway, sorry for filling up your comments section, take care, all the best from Scotland,Stephen.

  • @spongatejunction
    @spongatejunction 8 місяців тому +2

    I am looking forward to this I hope it will become an annual event

  • @stephendavies6949
    @stephendavies6949 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm attending this weekend with an open and positive mind.
    Baking powder is a lower cost alternative to using super glue activators. One thing's for sure: there's no room for mistakes when an activator of any description is involved!

  • @rikmorley6469
    @rikmorley6469 8 місяців тому +1

    I hope you have a good weekend at the show. I'm busy in Manchester unfortunately.

  • @ianturvey3894
    @ianturvey3894 8 місяців тому

    I love the idea of the cheaper Dapol wagons. I do appreciate the level of detail that is now available on models, but I do find them too delicate and as you rightly said, when they’re on the track, you don’t really notice it. I love to improve the appearance of my stock where my level of skill gives me the confidence to do so. I have built a number of the old Airfix/Dapol wagon kits and made them look nearly as good as the more expensive ones. I really enjoy the satisfaction of doing my own thing!

  • @StormmyStormmy
    @StormmyStormmy 8 місяців тому +3

    Hi, great honest video, Dapol have produced some great wagons over the years, what amazes me is the secondhand prices of their older wagons on DreamBay are criminal! They could re-release some of them and make very good money and stop the greedy sellers, I never attended Warley because of the cost to get there, I’m sure there will be other shows that are easier to get to and won’t cost the best part of £50 all in to get there and then get in, 2024 the year of the van wagons, thanks for sharing.

  • @LiveSteamNick
    @LiveSteamNick 8 місяців тому +1

    See ya satday lad!! Int’Brum!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Was looking but couldn't see you guys listed?? 😕 Stand number?

    • @LiveSteamNick
      @LiveSteamNick 8 місяців тому +1

      Not there as OO live steam this time but
      George and my newly converted grandaughter will be there with me for a great day of modelling …..and spending!!!!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      @@LiveSteamNick I'm in real danger of coming home skint mate, I'm not mature enough to say no to toys!😁😕😂
      See you there my brother!

  • @grumpystrainset-4357
    @grumpystrainset-4357 8 місяців тому +1

    im looking forward to the model world show at the NEC going on sunday. The way i see it modeling is modeling weather its modeling train layouts or airfix even if its scalextric we can all learn something from each other.

  • @PeachyTT120
    @PeachyTT120 8 місяців тому +5

    I managed to get a pass from the “senior management” for Sunday, so unfortunately I’ll miss you guys.
    As for RC diggers etc… having been a member of my local RC club (boats, buggies, crawlers, trucks & diggers) I can assure you, they can make the cost of model railways pail into insignificance 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Oh brilliant, more bankruptcy 😂

    • @PeachyTT120
      @PeachyTT120 8 місяців тому

      @@IronHorseRailways 🤑

    • @hamshackleton
      @hamshackleton 8 місяців тому +1

      One of the guys in our model flying club has some - and brought a couple to show off with. They cost around a grand each!

  • @ElizabethBond-od3ti
    @ElizabethBond-od3ti 8 місяців тому +2

    Keeping it real world as always 👍

  • @doubleodave
    @doubleodave 8 місяців тому +1

    I’m working all bloody weekend - probably a good thing as I can’t buy owt at the minute lol I used to fly model aircraft too so sounds an amazing show, you gonna film a bit of it Craig? Hope so. I like those little flat wagons I need to have a few mixed trains I think instead of the constant all the same stuff. Can’t wait to pay this holiday off!!
    Fully liking that crane with the magnets, reckon you could make a moving one with a few servos that would be mint!!!
    I’m in the loft today cracking on with some bits and bobs 👍
    Cheers!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Servos probably a bit beyond my knowledge mate, but if I can see it done I'll have a go 😂
      And yes I'll be filming bits mate, what I can anyway!😂
      Stay crackers pal;

  • @oswestryroadtmd4850
    @oswestryroadtmd4850 8 місяців тому +2

    I would have liked to have gone but I have made other arrangements

  • @timharrison2894
    @timharrison2894 8 місяців тому +1

    If we're being honest, if we're involved in this hobby we all have the active "Inner Child" in us... Keep making the point that enhancing cheaper models should really be what the modelling is about, unless we are lucky enought to have a bottomless pit of cash for all the latest super detailed new stuff. Great vid again Craig

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Thanks Tim! Appreciate the comments ☺️☺️❤️

  • @platformten5958
    @platformten5958 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi Craig.
    Watched.
    Paul. 👍❤️

  • @JohnDavies-cn3ro
    @JohnDavies-cn3ro 8 місяців тому +3

    Let's give it a go and see what happens before condemning it, shall we?
    Having vowed never to attend the Warley NEC event again, due to the crowds, I'm exhibiting there on Saturday and Sunday!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Excellent news John, you not there Saturday? A shame, would have been nice to chat!
      Good luck!☺️

  • @bensalt1185
    @bensalt1185 8 місяців тому +1

    Totally agree - its a model show for all modelling type so looking forward to it. its not a replacement for Warley its something different. Will be great as I am a kit model maker as well so to see both is pretty cool. Am sure the die hards won't like it but for the casual modeller its a great showcase of the breadth of the hobby.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      It'll give me plenty of ideas for things to do in the future if nothing else 😂

  • @LaurenceHoward-f4h
    @LaurenceHoward-f4h 8 місяців тому

    First nice to see you’re back to your normal bubbly self. Not bubbly enough to get motivated on the N gauge though 😆. Looking at the OO first time in ages I spotted the disused ferry van being used as a store. How I’ve never noticed that before I don’t know, but it looks fantastic.

  • @colinoldham7947
    @colinoldham7947 8 місяців тому +3

    Ah man, I need a Marmite wagon!!!!!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      I HATE marmite 😂😂

    • @colinoldham7947
      @colinoldham7947 8 місяців тому +2

      😂😂 I have a little rake of those OO9 Coleman’s mustard wagons. Tell me you like that??

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +2

      @@NewModelRailway1 facts 😂😂

  • @johnspencer2914
    @johnspencer2914 8 місяців тому +1

    Nah! Got enough vans thank you LOL. Glad to see you talking about the Hi-Lo mix I mentioned in the comments the other day ;-)
    I am surprised how Dapol can produce reasonable wagons as a great price all made within the UK. Compare these with Hornby's railroad, and these still has huge couplings (Dapol uses NEM sockets) and often tooling dating from the 70s (therefore stretched or deformed). BUT the big point is Dapol's are better, cheaper and made in the UK compared to Hornby's railroad wagons. And I do wonder if Hornby should drop those and make their own cheap new wagons in the UK....
    Concerning the new show, I was surprised at how quickly they organized this. It might be too soon just after Warley. I wish them success but maybe there was not enough time to get news to potential visitors.
    In France we used to have a national modelling exhibition near were I live. And it was great to visit. Now be careful, you may come away wanting to build a garden railway, using radio controlled diggers etc and other civil engineering model pieces, and then add a pond to have decent bridge plus allow you to add some RC boats. And why not turn the garden pathway into an aerodrome for an RC spitfire too....

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      I'm sure I'll be leaving without any spare cash 😂

  • @StBlazeyModelWorld
    @StBlazeyModelWorld 8 місяців тому

    I really hope this show takes off. The whole ethos of my channel is about scale model making and we can broaden our horizons to apply new skills or even just awareness to our own particular topic of interest. On a lighter note I wish to announce my own new van - Ford Transit 1.6L, comes with a free FM Radio!! Buy now while stocks last! lol

  • @LocomotionInMotion
    @LocomotionInMotion 8 місяців тому +2

    "Banana Based Action" yessssss 🍌

  • @BuggleskellyStation
    @BuggleskellyStation 8 місяців тому +2

    I've subscribed :) Come by stand C7 (Buggleskelly Station) and say hello. We're really looking forward to this new show.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Ah but you see, you're already on my list 😏😉

  • @FormallyknownasE100
    @FormallyknownasE100 8 місяців тому +2

    Coming from Newcastle I can only really justify a couple of southern shows. I wish them the best and think it’s a decent idea. For now I’ll keep my powder dry until the BRM show in November as I think it’s really important that the show is a success.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +2

      Aye it's a fair track from tha 'toon down that way mate, if you're about Saturday and spot me do say hello!😁
      I'm not sure what other shows I'll be attending, work commitments control far too much of my life!!

  • @ReubenAshwell
    @ReubenAshwell 8 місяців тому +1

    Warley may be gone but I'm hopefully this new key model world show will be a success. :)

  • @TimberSurf
    @TimberSurf 8 місяців тому +1

    Unfortunately, I am going on Sunday, Craig.

  • @Valleys56xx
    @Valleys56xx 8 місяців тому +1

    I love the Wm Loud wagon. I am eyeing OO9 something rotten but I've told myself NO until I get my OO gauge up and running properly so I'm mired in electrics and fiddle yard track laying until then. Hey-ho it's a one time job, get on with it, eh?

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Yes yes yes I know!😂 God, stop pestering me Dad!! 😂

  • @richardcorson2549
    @richardcorson2549 8 місяців тому +1

    When I go to the model shop it's not just railways.......

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      That's a pretty big nail hit with a rather large hammer mate!

  • @tail_lamp7538
    @tail_lamp7538 8 місяців тому +2

    New shows are good and I personally think it is a great idea to mix scale modelling and railway modelling - the former certainly has more appeal for me these days.

  • @GameHammerCG
    @GameHammerCG 8 місяців тому +1

    I asked a horse I met whether we should listen to the naysayers. He said neigh.

  • @alfiewenn9440
    @alfiewenn9440 8 місяців тому +1

    as a wargammer that plays trains yes plays lol i think mixing it up makes sense . you never know some of these rivet counters might learn something about scenery and painting tricks

  • @alanwagstaff16
    @alanwagstaff16 8 місяців тому +3

    The new show at the N.E.C. I don't see what people are on about . It's a model show . Well my opinion is modelling is all the same stick things together with glue and painting things making kits etc. So what's the issue. Well it's not just model railways . Good other things to see too . Like it.

  • @danbateman1646
    @danbateman1646 8 місяців тому +1

    There is a company that can convert the 00 oxford dicast forklift and loading shovel to remote control 😀

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Ive seen similar stuff before 😆 it's far from a small investment, not something to rush in to .. but! How cool is it?!! 😁😁😁

    • @danbateman1646
      @danbateman1646 8 місяців тому +1

      @@IronHorseRailways definitely fancy one in the future maybe

  • @Jaherick
    @Jaherick 8 місяців тому +1

    I used to go to Brighton Model World show, which is a similar multi-type model show and it was great to see all the models exhibited. Seeing all the different traders as well, which can give you ideas to use their stuff on your particular part of the hobby (r/c, electronics, war gaming..etc). What put me off was when robot wars turned up and took the show over… hopefully they can make a go of this show.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Bit before my time that, but the sentiment stands!

  • @DJ_K666
    @DJ_K666 8 місяців тому +1

    I don't really see the need to Naysay. Mainly because I'm not a horse 😉
    But also, modelling in all its forms has a lot of crossover appeal. Some of the techniques used by, say, military modellers would be fantastic on a model railway and some used by the scale diorama modellers would push detail to levels that would put Pendon to shame.
    It's all about seeing how other branches of modelling get their enjoyment out of the hobby/hobbies and maybe taking a bit of inspiration from them.
    As to bans lets not gorget that Dapol also does an undecorated version of their vans so you can paint them in your own livery.

  • @Hal-Zuzzu_Model_Railway
    @Hal-Zuzzu_Model_Railway 8 місяців тому

    Dapol could dish them out for free and I would still not take any. I have learnt the very hard way to steer away from Dapol. Thanks but not thanks for Dapol.
    Great video :)

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      Bit unfair mate, I don't know why folks have issue with Dapol :(

    • @Hal-Zuzzu_Model_Railway
      @Hal-Zuzzu_Model_Railway 8 місяців тому +1

      @@IronHorseRailways Maybe you are one of the lucky ones with no Dapol issues. I am one of the people with Dapol issues. I honestly wish I didn't have them but I paid good money for not-so-good products.

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому

      @@Hal-Zuzzu_Model_Railway that's a shame, The only issue I've ever had with Dapol stock is some wagons a bit light weight and the couplings need a little adjustment, but for the price I don't mind making adjustments ☺️

  • @hamshackleton
    @hamshackleton 8 місяців тому +2

    Totally irrelevent to the topic, but the camera is playing weird tricks with that building on the shelf over your right shoulder - It looks as though it has almost survived an earthquake, but has a severe lean - more so than a certain Italian tower! ( not the stack of pizzas, the other one!) - - - Trucks and diggers in 1/72 - there is a company making r/c artics that can drop off and pick up their trailers. I put the link on Jenny's page a couple of months ago, if you want to go digging (sorry!) for it!. - - Show at NEC - it is not much different to the Model Engineering show held at Alli Palli every year, and that is/was always packed, despite it's distant location! So why are people knocking something they have yet to see? - - Have fun at the weekend, and prove the nay-sayers wrong!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways  8 місяців тому +1

      Nothing quite so queer as folk, mate! But not to worry, I'll have a good time either way 😁

  • @oswestryroadtmd4850
    @oswestryroadtmd4850 8 місяців тому +2

    No Banana skin jokes

  • @andrewharrison5983
    @andrewharrison5983 8 місяців тому +1

    Morning Craig, I personally think that the Nay Sayer's are wrong, Warley had become worse and worse over recent years. Diversifying the show means that you will, hopefully get a lot more people involved in our wonderful hobby of modelling. Most railway modellers I know also model other aspects of transport and life in general. I'm looking forward to the show on Saturday.

  • @davidmathie9512
    @davidmathie9512 8 місяців тому +1

    The usual negativity from the sado's ( probably no layout) .It will be a fantastic show and hopefully will become a yearly event . Bet these naysayers are the same who said DCC wouldn't work .What happened to that !!!!

  • @martinshipman3260
    @martinshipman3260 8 місяців тому +1

    So where there was once one show modellers now have two, lost as to why people would moan.

  • @presidentxd
    @presidentxd 8 місяців тому +2

    We have one model railwsy show in dublin a year.its had lego groups a model bus crowd.sci fi models and planes rc cars too.these smaller hobbies probably dont have the draw to run a show of their own.we are hobbiests and theres plenty of space for everyone in a show.and if hobbies become elitist and exclusionary its not going to draw new people in.