Bigscreen Beyond 1 YEAR Review | Worth BUYING in 2024? MICRO OLED 4K VR Headset | MSFS
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2024
- Having used the tiny Bigscreen Beyond Micro OLED VR headset for well over a year, this is what I've learned (from a flight simmer's perspective). I hope it's useful.
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I bought this thing on MRTV's recommendation and regretted it the moment I put it on. Firstly my facial interface was far from perfect. It leaked light under my temples. Secondly I got it mainly for playing Elite dangerous and while colors and blacks were fenomenal, resolution very good, the awful glare and tiny sweetspot (comparable to my moded G2) killed the experience . Plus I find FOV on pair with moded G2 which is another dissapointment. Weight is really nice though. Watching 4K movies on BigScreen is pretty nice but again, glare is A BIG problem in high contrast scenes. Strange when this headset was designed mainly for movie watching . All in all not worth cca 1500€ investment imho so I returned it. They charged me 200€ but I don't blame them for that. The unit was working as advertised, it's just not for me. I'll be sticking with G2/Q3 combo for now in hopes something better comes out this year. Maybe something from ASUS, Lenovo, LG, Samsung?
Thankyou for sharing your thoughts 👍
I think it was kind of subtle, but if you watch most of MRTV's videos it seems like he thought the pimax crystal was much better overall and now that the light is coming the BSB is not worth it from 99% of people even enthusiasts with unlimited cash. MRTV also mentioed that the slim face gasket is an absolute necessity to get a good experience, but when I ordered one they told me you get what you get and we can make changes later so I cancelled my order.
I've been loving the beyond with Elite. Got me back into playing it after a long hiatus. The one main negative(fov) isn't too bad and actually helps when playing on foot as you don't see the grey screen as much. It's not perfect but at least I got that brick (index for 4 years) off my head. Also any light leakage means your gasket is not correct
Thanks Steve! Another great review and information. I enjoy your honest reviews, they are helping me to make an educated decision on another headset after the reverb becomes a brick.
Thankyou I really appreciate the support 😊
@VRFlightSimGuy you got it fine sir! I'm hoping to see many of the headsets at the Expo, so your info will help beforehand!
❤thanks bud❤
This headset just looks cool. It's always crazy when you think about what kind of technology is installed and all the feedback means you can really rock in Gen 2.
Exactly mate!
Thanks Steve
I received my audio strap 04-16-24 and finding it much more comfortable than the soft strap. I find the sound to be fine when using it in X-Plane 12 over my 2 to 3 hour flights. I received my final version of the Beyond in the middle of December after having a headset with the wrong IPD and have been happy ever sense. I am coming from a 1200 gram Vive Pro 2 so size and weight were big selling points for me.
1st, Thanks for the Video! I have been using the BSB since March, and it is undoubtedly the best VR set I have ever used (CV1, Rift S, Index, Reverb G2, Varjo Aero). It does not have the clarity of the Aero, but the colors of the Micro-Oled, especially the deep blacks, are just WOW. I have yet to experience the Glare that others have experienced. When I fly towards a Star in Elite Dangerous, it gets a bit bright, but I expect that. In general usage, I do not sense the Glare. I agree that it gets a bit warm with the facial interface, The sweet spot is not as generous as the Aero, its' edge to edge clarity is something I miss but as you said, the form factor mitigates that difference. I can't imagine flying in the deep black of the Galaxy with anything other than an Oled screen. This is now my daily driver, and I am pleased with it, warts and all. Again, thanks for the Video!
Thankyou for sharing your thoughts and for the kind words. I really need to try Elite Dangerous again soon!
I think pimax crystal super would be a better purchase and get both modules.
everyone states the moulded gasket as a positive to me thats a negative same with the ipd. i cant buy it and share with anyone there are 4 people in my house that use vr and no way im buying 4 of these just so everyone can play . jog on bigscreen
I believe you can get more printed for the other ppl and change them over when another user puts it on
@@tdhitchins but doesn't he also mention it's fixed to your ipd also?
@@jamierichards925yeah, that’s true
Thanks, there is no way I am ever compromising on sweet spot size and glare. I’d rather wait on next gen of PCVR headsets.
I hear you on that. Thanks for watching :)
Next will be index 2
If there wasnt a 20% fee due to custom mask production there could be so many people that would try the headset but also more wait time.
sadly we cant have it all.
But different people different opinions,some people forget the glare is there.
I personaly dont mind the frensel of the Q2 but i havent tried anything else but i totally dislike the compressed image and i even use a cable tested as 2Gbps stable one.
Pixels everywhere.
Ihope im one of the person that dont mind the optics
Come on Bigscreen Beyond 2
Thanks for the honest review of this VR headset. I had to hang a couple of older VR headsets I bought because of having such a small sweet spot them. OLED VR headsets are going to be notorious for some glare and Mira Some are not so bad, but you never know till we buy the VR headset. Seems the price of this VR headset is the same as the Valve Index at 999.00 dollars. That would be about as high as I would go to buy a VR headset. The Beyond VR headset does not interest me at all.
I have the Quest 3 now for doing SIM racing and works great for me. Good clarity and nice large sweet spot for me. SIM racing games seem to all work good with the headset. I have it connected via a USB link cable for best performance.
Thanks for your video. Take care.
Thanks buddy 😊
Hi steve shane from auckland new zealand. I find your assessments of vr headsets really valuable my reverbe g2 has packed a cable sad and its like $250.00 nz dollars for a replacement not worth getting one as the headsets going to be bricked end of year. I think ill go the pimax crystal light with local dimming as it aounds like the 1 to get... waiting on your review when it comes out. Also did u buy the winwing fcu???? Cheers
Nice video mate as usual. Any news about OpenXR compatibility?
Thankyou. That a negative :(
I have a whole fleet of headsets going back to 2013, and this is my clear favorite! The Crystal is nice but it's way too heavy for me and the Vajo Aero is fantastic but you really miss the true darks of the OLED display or even the local dimming of the Crystal.
To me, the fact I never think twice about moving my head around activetly because the Beyond is so light and stays perfectly in place is a gamechanger...yes the god rays remind you it's only a headset sometimes but no other headset is this immersive when everything is looking perfect and you can forget that you are in a game (all the more reason that being broken frrom that space is so frustrating). Still, it's the best for me hands down.
The small form factor intrigues me, the promise of micro oled is on display but not fully realized here. Every design has tradeoffs, but I would live with a slightly heavier headset to have inside out tracking so I could ditch my light houses. Throw in an improved optics stack that improves the glare/sweet spot and you could have my next headset.
The Crystal Light with local dimming at $800 feels like a real spoiler here
yup. i have a beyond rn and am tempted to purchase the crystal light
For that same price you can choose local dimming with controllers or the faceplate for the base stations
@@OperatorPuski yeh, i have pre ordered the local dimming and face plate hoping i can get my Index knuckles working with it. saying that it would have to be Steam VR.
Has anyone got controllers working with OpenXR ?
I see a lot of people saying this in comment threads and I totally understand why. But as someone who owns Crystal and Beyond, I can vouch that a weightless microOLED display sealed on to your face is really truly unlike anything else. Local dimming is cool, but it is not the same as OLED. A big sweet spot is nice, but the trade-off with Crystal is that the whole headset shimmys around when you move your head and need to constantly readjust the giant hammerhead toaster strapped to your forehead. In terms of immersion and spending hours in VR, I think anyone who owns both will keep coming back to Beyond. Still excited to try Crystal Light, though. Especially if the controller tracking has improved. Would be nice to finally sell my lighthouses
If the pitas crystal light works out to be ok then I am sorry this vr headset while slowly die imo.
Thanks Steve, I have the Beyond for a week now and 'unfortunately' I totally agree with your review. It is WOW headset in some points but in my case Unconfortable Cushion and GLARE, in parallel to small sweet spot, are reducing a lot my months of 'hype'. I have preordered the Audio Strap and I'm in contact with support to try to improve face cushion and reduce the glare. I think the experience will depend on each person face and eyes form, so maybe there are people very happy and others not. Regards!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, if it wasn't for those issues it would be such a great little headset. Best wishes.
Do you think we Will see a Bigscreen Beyond 2.0 anytime soon? If they could solve the glare issue and maybe increase the fov a bit it would be awesome!
the reason those issues exist on the beyond is because of how small it is. they would need to make the headset bigger to address those issues. i for one wouldnt mind a slightly bigger headset to fix those issues
@@iliketurtles7947 yeah, even a 25% increase in size and weight and it would still be pretty good form factor.
Yes, and improved edge to edge clarity, and get rid of the 72hz limit for 2560x2560 resolution, and make it a bit brighter without sacrificing movement clarity... Then I'd get one :)
A bigger sweetspot would not be bad, but if the face gasket is spot on, I'm guessing it shouldn't be needed? (it seems many seems to mix up the terms for sweetspot and edge to edge clarity though?)
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If I could dream I'd _also_ like to have eye tracking and wireless aswell, but that is probably a bit unrealistic for the small format :)
@@rogerwennstrom6677 There is a popular eyetracking mod for Beyond already and it apparently works well and isn't too expensive
@@iliketurtles7947 Im with you. I like my Beyond and honestly the only thing that lets it down its the lenses. Its the resolution is comparable to my Aero, the colours are utterly fantastic, form factor is great, just the damn lenses are sub par. I understand why they ;lenses are so small, the OLED panels are tiny so the lenses had to fit. Bigger panels would mean bigger lenses and hopefully that might be the Beyond2.
So, what's cooking for version 2.0:
1) better lenses (MT Q3)
2) split or upgraded DP to get full resolution
3) nextgen (brighter) display
4) inside-out tracking?
5) openXR ?
The Dp has noting to do with the resolution, its down to the oled panels, they cannot run at full res at 90hz
FYI OpenXR works fine in the Beyond just turn it on in SteamVR. I use openXR in flight sim and iracing perfectly fine with the Beyond.
Hi! I can’t help but notice that you don’t seem to have any problem with using the VR mouse in the cockpit. My problem is that mine is really insensitive, I might hit the correct button. A three way switch is hopeless, a click on the “up” side might just as well be on the “down” side. Lastly operating the stacked rotaries on a Garmin is just a lottery. What’s your settings/advice on this?
Seems that BSB has a lot of RMA's for getting the IPD and face-gasket wrong. One guy said, he tried three different IPD-versions and is still not fully happy. They should've integrated an IPD-adjuster even if it adds a few grams and make the gasket an optional purchase. This way people also wouldn't hesitate because of the lower resell-value. I personally don't want sealing rubber on my face and need my nose-gap even the Quest 3 has a passthrough, also to catch some air with my wind-sim.
yeah, you have to know your ipd from your opic-shop. BSB makes the value a little less than your ipd, it works ! I see clear and fine in this glass, only the glare on the sides .....
@@chriskross1660 I ordered new glasses yesterday and the measured IPD was 69 (not symmetric), but with several VR headsets I prefer 72 and when I measure it with Incy Beauty, it's always 71 or higher. IMO it seems, selling headsets with a fixed IPD and tiny sweetspot is just not a good idea. IPD adjusters could be done by adding a few gramm and millimetres to the device.
BSB as is right now has too many compromises imho, it was an innovative product that was 1-2yrs too late. However I do agree with their direction of travel and if a BSB v2.0 is on the horizon lets talk about that and just accept the v1 is a prototype, an experiment, a ‘test & learn’ kinda of surprised we haven’t heard them talk about Hypervision yet not sure what’s going on there
That was 12:20 mins of pure grin.
You wouldn't think it had mura with that expression lol.
Thanks for watching.
They need to release an updated version with up to 120hz & slightly more fov, IPD needs to be adjustable not fixed
Probably would consider it when they come out with a 120Hz version, for judder free 24fps movie viewing.
What were the levels you were super sampling to? 1.3 in steam on a 4090?
4142x4142
How do i know wat my ipd is?
Blur - another big questions for military sims (DSC and FPS). When you pan head quickly - OLED gets blurry. Nice simulations that sometimes get implemented via software (3D) as feature, in combat situation is not so good. Especially when you've spotted a contact on side of FOV and then center your view. Let's see how it goes for PiMax.
i was going to buy one on release but their trickle slow backlog pre-order fulfillment keeps stopping me. It's been that long that I'll wait for the Crystal OLED now
I ordered just over 5 months ago and am still waiting. Every month the say next month it will ship. The websites claim of 2 to 3 months to ship is total bs. If you do order be ready for delays
@@caesarsandwich it says 1-8 weeks in my location now. Hope yours turns up quick
I've had a better experience than mentioned in this video, I don't mind using earbuds for audio, I don't notice a vaseline-like smear, maybe cuz I focus around the center area. The one thing I wish was different is the FOV, I came from an OG Vive that I modded to have my eyes as close as possible to the lenses. But, there's no way I'd be having hours-long sessions with any other VR headset, and that may make it worth it.
Thanks for sharing!
I've had my Beyond for 5 months and absolutely love it! It fits perfectly, doesn't move around on my face like heavier headsets do in room scale or with my motion system in Rally games. Mine is a perfect fit with zero light leakage, excellent comfort, and a huge upgrade from my Varjo Aero. Glare is a very personal thing and also does depend on the titles you play. I can see glare in setup screens and in a few rare places, but don't notice it at all the vast majority of the time. I've owned 5 VR headsets and the Bigscreen Beyond is in a completely different category from anything I've ever owned. There is no perfect headset for everyone, and for some this may not be a good fit, but for me this is the closest to a perfect headset that is available or announced at this time.
I’m totally opposite… oled is nice, I thought it sucked and not usable at all!
@@Vr-pits-simulation It happens. If it clicks for you, no other headset even catches your interest. If it doesn't, it can be a very polar opposite reaction. I've seen it go both ways.
There is no right or wrong, there is just what works for you personally.
Full room-scale with cable is just awful annoying and Steam Link delivers great visuals to my Quest 3 without any visible compression artifacts thanks to FFR. When sitting in my rig I use a Link cable with 700 MBit transfer, the sweetspot between quality and latency. Looks like DP to me with a latency lower than every triplescreen-setup I saw on UA-cam. And standalone is just awesome without the 500+ watt heater running. Games like Beat Saber look like PCVR from the sharpness and the tracking is as good as Lightening, people saying that are doing Beat Saber on Expert+.
And VR for WRC coming tomorrow is probably not compatible with the BSB because of OpenXR. I would never switch to a BSB if those would be my only options.
I’ve got a 4090 and a 5600x (yes, the cpu could be a bit better) and I never seem to have as good quality graphics as what I see in YT vids. That
I tried it too with a 4099 and it looked crappy too . I think you have to buy a lot of custom shaders and graphics upgrades for this game.
I have to agree Glare and me having to send it back 3 times to get good ipd/facial interface are biggest downsides and probably 10 other nitpicks that would take a few paragraphs to list id say people should wait for v2 if that happens.
Which headset has more glare beyond or quest 2 ?
Beyond
@@VRFlightSimGuy 😮💨😮💨 thanks 👍
Oled and comfort are the deal breakers for me nothing beats Oled. If you buy one try to get the foam cussion made closer to your face it will give you a much larger sweet spot.
I was really excited about this headset however because of recent news, that being that the valve index is no longer in production. I am worried about the longevity of this headset because I am worried about acquiring index controllers and base stations in the future, does anyone have any information on this? That is honestly my biggest qualm with this headset because the size is just so awesome.
Someone needs to make a replacement for lighthouse tracking. Index controllers and lighthouses are selling for big money on eBay.
Lighthouses and Index controllers will be in production for many many years. Companies like BigscreenVR and Somnium would not be investing in Lighthouse technology if they didn't have agreements that required production would continue for many years.
Lighthouse tracking is also still the best of breed tracking available and people with enthusiast headsets want the best tracking available. Currently only Meta has inside out tracking that is generally good. All the others are good enough for some things but generally lacking.
@@claybomb1064 They are also still in production. They just hold their value because they are very good.
Why does the video title say 4K?
Good question, but to be fair 4K seems to encompass a pretty wide range of resolutions these days. It's a very vague term used for VR headsets. I think it is tied more to the 4K vertical resolution of 2160.
Ye major glare like that is a significant visual defect and unacceptable for a headset of that price. They really should have just worked harder to perfect it before release. Seems like this headset was pushed out a generation too soon. Almost there but not quite.
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Quite expensive at 1K!!!
Micro OLED is expensive
Don't buy anything for the time being. Vof is the most important thing for me. I have Pico4 and a PSVR2, waiting until it can be connected to the PC, I'm curious.
Ill wait bigscreen 2 for better sweet spot and less glare. Not too happy about Beyond massive nasty glare
Tiny sweet spot , horrid glare. I returned mine. Careful listening to the “influencers” pushing this product.
Which influencers?
@@VRFlightSimGuy anyone searching for content on this headset will see. I don't wish to call anyone out . I just see a big difference in how this headset is being described compared to reality. Some mention the issues but greatly diminish them. Not sure how anyone could think this headset is good or worth the price.
What glare... i watch every video about this headset and never seen any glare in any video. What glare
You can't see it on the mirror recording
6 months - 1 year later you finally start hearing the truth. Small sweet spot, horrible glare, not bright enough. All the people who ordered probably listened to all these youtubers drool over this headset and now that real people are saying the glare is bad and the lenses suck, here comes the youtubers to finally tell the truth.
I said all this stuff at the very start and I was one of those UA-camrs. So we're not all bad ;)
@@VRFlightSimGuy thats why I watch your channel. I'm not really into flight sims unless you count VTOL, but I think you do a great job providing us with information to make the right choices. Some of these other channels though, its all sunshine and rainbows with ever headset and every game that comes out.
So much BS😂😂😂😂😂
Appreciate you watching, it really helps support the channel :)
quest 3 has bad glare as well, which distracts me alot
Nothing like the BSB.
I've never noticed any. Nor have I ever heard anyone complain about it. Maybe you got a dud?
@@jessekoepp3928 ua-cam.com/users/shortsV1c18xobRF0?si=WP8UgkWf9whnOv0p
What scenarios are you getting glare with the Quest 3? I’m just getting back into PCVR and have started using the Quest 3 for that. I can do some test scenarios.. The Q2 definitely had glare, but I haven’t really seen it with Q3.
@@jrherita ua-cam.com/users/shortsV1c18xobRF0?si=lKORZK92OyGU2uxk