I could only imagine how I was seen as a kid. I would go unnoticed since I was quiet and did my work. No one would really what was going on with me cause I would never verbalize what was going on in my head
In socionics, functions of INTj -> Ti-Ne-Si-Fe -> the J stands for “Judging” and Ti (just like Te) is a Judging function, not a perceiving one… meanwhile.. in socionics INTp , the P stands for Perceiving, a perceiving function an intuitive like Ni… so INTP really is what you call intj…. Ni - Te - Fi -Se …….. you owe to your subscribers to stop spreading misinformations just to your own gain, actually, addressing the fact you’re IN FACT INTP (which would be intj with intp’s functions but thanks to the nonsense manipulations that have been made to Jung’s theory by a logic lacking INFP that only made colourful characters and pushed the inherent tendency in human nature to separate in groups). You should have realised this already. But she preferred to morph reality according to her subjective model of logic and truth
She had haha! But it was also easier to bypass the emotions or "be above them" from a cognitive perspective. I had to learn to have a better relationship with them later in life :)
As an INFj I find it interesting how you talk about stuff and how your Ni manifests when trying to conjure up and form coherent coherence (...whatever that is).When you INTJs talk, it is like a cloud with sharp edges.. When we talk it is a cloud with soft edges, less defined but both are still abstarctish and fluidy. About the last part of the video: Sometimes when writing sentences I just forget writing a word that is esential for the sentence to be whole.. But when writing the sentence, I feelt like I didn't make a mistake.. I only notice it when doublechecking what I wrote... I am like "dude, a word is missing.."
I find myself forgetting words often. Usually it's the word "not," which clearly changes the meaning of the sentence. I've had to train myself to proofread everything I type in fear of making a grievous mistake.
I did psych tests this year at 33 years old. By connecting the dots, I find it correspond well to my type too. Objective personality : MM-INTJ-Ni/Fi-SCBP Rational typology : INTJ subtype 2 Achiever (Solide Te Se, fluid Fi Ni, which match perfectly with my OP type Masculine Te Se, Feminine Fi Ni) My results are not totally signifiants because after a certain time, my processing speed and working memory have decreased, suspicions of disorders. (I suppose it correspond very well with Asperger, Sensory processing disorder, Se inferior) I was anxious this day (fear to spend money for no results), and stressed during timed tests. At the end of the tests, I was fed up, I didn't want to think, and find it boring, whereas I loved the first tests. XD I have great short term memory (I don't know where does it come from), knowledge in many areas (high Consume ?) Good with puzzle and patterns (correspond well with the ability of problem solving INTJ, and Asperger) Hypersensitive (both sensory and emotional), hyper-empathetic, impostor syndrome, justice and respect are very important for me. I was lucky the psychologist was INFJ and also gifted, I think she knew I was too, before I do the tests, and she know MBTI (which is not common in France). I told her :"I always have been very calm", she anshewer : "but inside it's boiling" "I don't know, I didn't really need anything" It's what I often said to my parents. I find theses tests very helpful and important in particular for Intuitives types.
I never got tested like this but all I remember being told is that as a really young child, I was noticeably more intelligent than the other kids. One funny story I only vaguely remember is that apparently in nursery I would go and get milk from the fridge myself instead of waiting for the staff to get milk for me. I wasn't stealing it to be clear, because I only took what I'd get, but I got it in my own time and on my own terms. A lot of what is described in this video is also very akin to my own experience. I think the main difference was I was actually good at spelling and sound systems but I think that's because I figured out ways of putting the sounds together and sort of constructing them. Once I understood the systems it became easy and I wouldn't even need to revise (I hardly ever revised, was just draining). But yeah, as a kid, I was also very much the more obedient kind of child but I'd get annoyed if my parents screwed up my plans with incompetence because then I'd have no control over the situation.
@@InternetLiJo Yeah, unfortunately primary school (and later secondary school) did not encourage that kind of independent behaviour at all. They expected you to run to teachers and get them to sort all your problems out (and usually they'd end up making it worse). That was painful to adapt to... in more ways than one. Contrast between nursery (where I could comfortably be independent and none of the staff really had an issue with it... on the contrary they seemed impressed by it) and school (where independence was entirely snuffed out) was just complete whiplash. Really hated school, and even university too because that was kinda the same, except instead of teachers, they expected you to rush off to Student Union or like Hall Wardens or whatever.
This totally resonates with me. As a younger kid the adult really didn't know how to deal with me. I was considered one of the smartest students in school, but I was also considered very aloof and not great at communicating. I vexed many of my teachers by giving them the right answer, or what they considered a well thought out answer, but I couldn't be bothered to tell them how I got there.
@@Kalle875had flashbacks of sooo many arguments with with math and science teachers who took points off for not showing every single step in solving a problem lol. I would do it once on the first problem to show that I knew every step in the process but after that steps are getting combined cuz I'd rather have the left over time to day dream than a perfect score.
INTJ and former Mensa member here. I wonder how close of a correlation there is between IQ and type. (I too scored highest on visual/spatial learning measures)
IQ tests, or maybe even the concept of intelligence itself, seem biased towards NJ* to me, perhaps SP* as well. It also definitely emphasize T over F hence the rise of the emotional intelligence concept. If these functions are in deed privileged, is it justified or the result of an overrating of certain aspects of intelligence? Is the concept of intelligence a bit too narrow and geared too much towards less common abilities, or skills that tend to make people more professionally successful in our current society? *edit: I meant N and SJ
I believe INTP as a whole scores highest on traditional IQ tests with INTJ a close second. But as pointed out, these tend to favor thinking types because they are designed for mental acuity. I imagine for emotional IQ, we may not score as favorably, for example.
Thank you for sharing. This was interesting and mind triggering. I love how you speak as a 3rd person of Little Lindsey. *edit: this is also showing how a session w/ you could look like if I bring a material for you. Hmmm...
Interesting! I had/have a large vocabulary, but I scored high in spelling and grammar to the point that I wanted to be an editor, and I consider myself to have high Si.
I found there are 22 types of memory, my location memory is poor, but speaking in different language fluency? Just how many? lol- entp me, i dont need anything- so stoic!! love this intj persona always❤
(ISTP) It's fascinating how there are different metrics to quantify and categorize the same human condition. Witnessing them overlap and cross connect is even more interesting. Very cool share.
How did you get professionally tested for MBTI? I did the self test as a teen and i was INTJ. Im 32 now and i wamna get it done. Ive done Cam Hogan for jobs and my "social ability" was low 🤣
Very interesting and relatable. Visual spatial acuity and awareness is also my strength. Language and vocabulary I also score high in, but I fall short in the same areas as yourself there. Memory leaves much to be desired 😅 Thank you for sharing 😊🙏
As a kid, I was quiet and kept to myself. As a child, I kept to myself and loved taking things (radios, speakers, anything) apart. I've studied medical sciences, finance and now master of business law and am bored. I have been fired from every sales job and, most recently, this investor relations job where all I did was redo the same presentation over and over.... 73 times to be exact. I'm done.
I think you mentioned in a video once that your mom has lead Se, right? Would you be willing to make a video about what worked and what didn't in that scenario? I understand that you might not want to do that video due to the potential to offend your mom, but I think that video would be very helpful for me as a mother.
Had the same problem at school. Put in top set for everything, bored in maths , loved physics , hated English lit as we had Thomas Hardy (10 pages of description before plot) So had to remedial lit and found Nevil Shute who saved me. Now a cloud big data architect.
Cool video. Contemplating on why will we ever get into the unlimited ways to fail that life is offering us. But either way, we leave the NI to choose for us before starting anything. It decides often that what we will start doing will be a thing that is in our competency or not. Either way our NI can fail too. But speaking of, have you tried to throw your content into other ponds, like tik tok, IG with more of a summaries, more funny short clips?
10:00 This. I strongly dislike when I am directly reliant on another in a way that is unavoidable. And this can be something as small as a person who I know is a temporary hindrance and it should be fine. I would give a specific example but I generally don't like saying specific things I don't like publicly
Prob today you'd prob get an adhd or spectrum. Inconsistent performance like you described/rushing, spelling ect. + high volcabulary. Women/girls esp smart ones get missed sometimes.
4:06 perceptual organization is referring the relationship between judgment and perceptual data. It is referring to what we call Revision, which is taking the object (Pe) and reducing it down into an axiom (Ji).
5:57 Given what was indicated earlier the 'freedom from distractibility' portion only supports the previous findings. The processing speed would suggest test anxiety, or that you were overwhelmed by the number of steps required in the process of coming to the answer, or that there was a more "perfectionistic" quality causing excessive load (apprehension) and a degree of lag. This is why it isn't a good idea to interpret these tests yourself, Lindsay.
Idk, sending a child to get psych tests at an early age raises a brow for me. I'm not saying it is negative, and there are many explanations... but it just seems a bit odd. School placement tests allocated me in advanced classes and .1% levels etc. (humble brag), but I never was given a psych test; or at least my parents never pushed for it. Have you ever asked your parents why they had you take them? They clearly care and love you enough to try to understand you more, so don't take this as a slight.
My mom wanted to understand me more. For a kid to have a very large vocabulary but have trouble spelling or the words, paying attention to details, etc. yet can write for days is a strange paradox.
@@InternetLiJo LOL. I'm literally learning OPS to try to understand my family members better to be a better wife and mother. Glad to hear I'm not the only mom looking to actual science for this. 😅
I could only imagine how I was seen as a kid. I would go unnoticed since I was quiet and did my work. No one would really what was going on with me cause I would never verbalize what was going on in my head
Yeah very similar 😌
As an INTJ I had a tough childhood full of misunderstanding , bullying and bla bla bla and I'm pretty sure that my problem is common with other INTJs
In socionics, functions of INTj -> Ti-Ne-Si-Fe -> the J stands for “Judging” and Ti (just like Te) is a Judging function, not a perceiving one… meanwhile.. in socionics INTp , the P stands for Perceiving, a perceiving function an intuitive like Ni… so INTP really is what you call intj…. Ni - Te - Fi -Se ……..
you owe to your subscribers to stop spreading misinformations just to your own gain, actually, addressing the fact you’re IN FACT INTP (which would be intj with intp’s functions but thanks to the nonsense manipulations that have been made to Jung’s theory by a logic lacking INFP that only made colourful characters and pushed the inherent tendency in human nature to separate in groups). You should have realised this already. But she preferred to morph reality according to her subjective model of logic and truth
It seems 12-year old Lindsay had herself discovered the core of Stoicism...
She had haha!
But it was also easier to bypass the emotions or "be above them" from a cognitive perspective. I had to learn to have a better relationship with them later in life :)
How many times did I get told: you have to talk more! Get out of your head!
My parents eventually brainwashed me out of my mumbles on the rare occasion I spoke by telling me to “speak like a reporter” it kind of helped lol
As an INFj I find it interesting how you talk about stuff and how your Ni manifests when trying to conjure up and form coherent coherence (...whatever that is).When you INTJs talk, it is like a cloud with sharp edges.. When we talk it is a cloud with soft edges, less defined but both are still abstarctish and fluidy.
About the last part of the video: Sometimes when writing sentences I just forget writing a word that is esential for the sentence to be whole.. But when writing the sentence, I feelt like I didn't make a mistake.. I only notice it when doublechecking what I wrote... I am like "dude, a word is missing.."
I find myself forgetting words often. Usually it's the word "not," which clearly changes the meaning of the sentence. I've had to train myself to proofread everything I type in fear of making a grievous mistake.
I did psych tests this year at 33 years old. By connecting the dots, I find it correspond well to my type too.
Objective personality : MM-INTJ-Ni/Fi-SCBP
Rational typology : INTJ subtype 2 Achiever (Solide Te Se, fluid Fi Ni, which match perfectly with my OP type Masculine Te Se, Feminine Fi Ni)
My results are not totally signifiants because after a certain time, my processing speed and working memory have decreased, suspicions of disorders.
(I suppose it correspond very well with Asperger, Sensory processing disorder, Se inferior) I was anxious this day (fear to spend money for no results), and stressed during timed tests. At the end of the tests, I was fed up, I didn't want to think, and find it boring, whereas I loved the first tests. XD
I have great short term memory (I don't know where does it come from), knowledge in many areas (high Consume ?)
Good with puzzle and patterns (correspond well with the ability of problem solving INTJ, and Asperger)
Hypersensitive (both sensory and emotional), hyper-empathetic, impostor syndrome, justice and respect are very important for me.
I was lucky the psychologist was INFJ and also gifted, I think she knew I was too, before I do the tests, and she know MBTI (which is not common in France).
I told her :"I always have been very calm", she anshewer : "but inside it's boiling"
"I don't know, I didn't really need anything" It's what I often said to my parents.
I find theses tests very helpful and important in particular for Intuitives types.
Super insightful Elodie :) "but inside she is boiling" the most truth!
I never got tested like this but all I remember being told is that as a really young child, I was noticeably more intelligent than the other kids. One funny story I only vaguely remember is that apparently in nursery I would go and get milk from the fridge myself instead of waiting for the staff to get milk for me. I wasn't stealing it to be clear, because I only took what I'd get, but I got it in my own time and on my own terms. A lot of what is described in this video is also very akin to my own experience. I think the main difference was I was actually good at spelling and sound systems but I think that's because I figured out ways of putting the sounds together and sort of constructing them. Once I understood the systems it became easy and I wouldn't even need to revise (I hardly ever revised, was just draining). But yeah, as a kid, I was also very much the more obedient kind of child but I'd get annoyed if my parents screwed up my plans with incompetence because then I'd have no control over the situation.
Haha fiercely independent - love it. Relatable :)
@@InternetLiJo Yeah, unfortunately primary school (and later secondary school) did not encourage that kind of independent behaviour at all. They expected you to run to teachers and get them to sort all your problems out (and usually they'd end up making it worse). That was painful to adapt to... in more ways than one. Contrast between nursery (where I could comfortably be independent and none of the staff really had an issue with it... on the contrary they seemed impressed by it) and school (where independence was entirely snuffed out) was just complete whiplash. Really hated school, and even university too because that was kinda the same, except instead of teachers, they expected you to rush off to Student Union or like Hall Wardens or whatever.
This totally resonates with me. As a younger kid the adult really didn't know how to deal with me. I was considered one of the smartest students in school, but I was also considered very aloof and not great at communicating. I vexed many of my teachers by giving them the right answer, or what they considered a well thought out answer, but I couldn't be bothered to tell them how I got there.
As an INTJ I understand you And I'm really proud of you👍🏻💯
@@Kalle875had flashbacks of sooo many arguments with with math and science teachers who took points off for not showing every single step in solving a problem lol.
I would do it once on the first problem to show that I knew every step in the process but after that steps are getting combined cuz I'd rather have the left over time to day dream than a perfect score.
INTJ and former Mensa member here. I wonder how close of a correlation there is between IQ and type. (I too scored highest on visual/spatial learning measures)
IQ tests, or maybe even the concept of intelligence itself, seem biased towards NJ* to me, perhaps SP* as well. It also definitely emphasize T over F hence the rise of the emotional intelligence concept. If these functions are in deed privileged, is it justified or the result of an overrating of certain aspects of intelligence? Is the concept of intelligence a bit too narrow and geared too much towards less common abilities, or skills that tend to make people more professionally successful in our current society?
*edit: I meant N and SJ
I've met several INTJs through OPS who have gone through these same tests and we all were high scorers in visuospatial, super interesting!
SO true in T>F @paiib
I believe INTP as a whole scores highest on traditional IQ tests with INTJ a close second. But as pointed out, these tend to favor thinking types because they are designed for mental acuity. I imagine for emotional IQ, we may not score as favorably, for example.
Thank you for sharing. This was interesting and mind triggering.
I love how you speak as a 3rd person of Little Lindsey.
*edit: this is also showing how a session w/ you could look like if I bring a material for you. Hmmm...
I LOVE analyzing data points lol so you're very welcome to
Interesting! I had/have a large vocabulary, but I scored high in spelling and grammar to the point that I wanted to be an editor, and I consider myself to have high Si.
Ah the eagle eye of high Si, jealous!
I found there are 22 types of memory, my location memory is poor, but speaking in different language fluency? Just how many? lol- entp me, i dont need anything- so stoic!! love this intj persona always❤
(ISTP) It's fascinating how there are different metrics to quantify and categorize the same human condition. Witnessing them overlap and cross connect is even more interesting. Very cool share.
Ah thanks for that Pedro great to hear from you !!
U seem more like an istj. I know an istj and she acts just like you.
How did you get professionally tested for MBTI? I did the self test as a teen and i was INTJ. Im 32 now and i wamna get it done. Ive done Cam Hogan for jobs and my "social ability" was low 🤣
Objective personality is who I recommend for typing :)
Very interesting and relatable. Visual spatial acuity and awareness is also my strength.
Language and vocabulary I also score high in, but I fall short in the same areas as yourself there.
Memory leaves much to be desired 😅
Thank you for sharing 😊🙏
hahah memory leaves SO MUCH to be desired 🤣
@@InternetLiJo 😅
As a kid, I was quiet and kept to myself. As a child, I kept to myself and loved taking things (radios, speakers, anything) apart. I've studied medical sciences, finance and now master of business law and am bored. I have been fired from every sales job and, most recently, this investor relations job where all I did was redo the same presentation over and over.... 73 times to be exact. I'm done.
Being a perfectionist and obeying your parents also make me think you're an Enneagram type 1.
I think you mentioned in a video once that your mom has lead Se, right? Would you be willing to make a video about what worked and what didn't in that scenario? I understand that you might not want to do that video due to the potential to offend your mom, but I think that video would be very helpful for me as a mother.
Also, has your poor spelling and punctuation ever created any real life problems? I kinda suspect it hasn't. 🤔
Had the same problem at school. Put in top set for everything, bored in maths , loved physics , hated English lit as we had Thomas Hardy (10 pages of description before plot) So had to remedial lit and found Nevil Shute who saved me. Now a cloud big data architect.
Cool video. Contemplating on why will we ever get into the unlimited ways to fail that life is offering us. But either way, we leave the NI to choose for us before starting anything. It decides often that what we will start doing will be a thing that is in our competency or not. Either way our NI can fail too. But speaking of, have you tried to throw your content into other ponds, like tik tok, IG with more of a summaries, more funny short clips?
10:00 This. I strongly dislike when I am directly reliant on another in a way that is unavoidable. And this can be something as small as a person who I know is a temporary hindrance and it should be fine. I would give a specific example but I generally don't like saying specific things I don't like publicly
You look, sound and look exactly like how I would imagine an INTJ female.
What made you take this test?
My mom lol
@@InternetLiJo haha
What's this psych test called?
I want one!
Prob today you'd prob get an adhd or spectrum. Inconsistent performance like you described/rushing, spelling ect. + high volcabulary. Women/girls esp smart ones get missed sometimes.
Oh yes I’ve been diagnosed with ADD lol spot on
I always liked to make fun of these tests.
13:10 I was and still am a mumbler! Lmaoooo, I think it has to do mainly with my temperance though, I'm phlegmatic/melancholic
Words are so much sometimes 😅
Iam I an intj?
1:54 is more rational vs irrational and your would be the irrational or P lead
4:06 perceptual organization is referring the relationship between judgment and perceptual data. It is referring to what we call Revision, which is taking the object (Pe) and reducing it down into an axiom (Ji).
5:57 Given what was indicated earlier the 'freedom from distractibility' portion only supports the previous findings. The processing speed would suggest test anxiety, or that you were overwhelmed by the number of steps required in the process of coming to the answer, or that there was a more "perfectionistic" quality causing excessive load (apprehension) and a degree of lag. This is why it isn't a good idea to interpret these tests yourself, Lindsay.
Good morning Lindsay, how is your face?
It’s waking up currently, yours?
@@InternetLiJo excellent, thank you
Idk, sending a child to get psych tests at an early age raises a brow for me. I'm not saying it is negative, and there are many explanations... but it just seems a bit odd. School placement tests allocated me in advanced classes and .1% levels etc. (humble brag), but I never was given a psych test; or at least my parents never pushed for it.
Have you ever asked your parents why they had you take them? They clearly care and love you enough to try to understand you more, so don't take this as a slight.
My mom wanted to understand me more. For a kid to have a very large vocabulary but have trouble spelling or the words, paying attention to details, etc. yet can write for days is a strange paradox.
@@InternetLiJo LOL. I'm literally learning OPS to try to understand my family members better to be a better wife and mother. Glad to hear I'm not the only mom looking to actual science for this. 😅