Next week it's going to be a test on which is the best in the snow, some of the vehicles will have slick tyres and some will have winter tyres to make the test fair.
It looks like some of the blame, at least, belongs to the tires, and lack of articulation and travel in the front suspensions of the Ineos and Land Rover. Better tires would grab and climb out of the ruts, and a lack of suspension travel and articulation can restrict the ability to get out of a deep rut as well.
I saw they used different lines as well, the driver in the Defender and Ineos went through the rut when the other driver went up the bank, no wonder one made it and the other didnt.
Doug proving you can get anything stuck if you just try hard enough to get into the deepest part of the rut you made when getting the last car stuck...
The Jeep is way more capable than all of those things go look up the Jeep testing grounds and see the rock crawling Jeep does to their vehicles from the factory and the articulation and all of the basic off-road things that comes with that other vehicles don't that you have to modify to be like
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I totally agree with you, the wrangler is head and shoulders above anything else including reliability! I've done 76,000 heavy duty miles in 9 years (I have a wrangler jk) and its been faultless and still looks like new!
Until you take the Raptor and the Jeep to a rock crawling Trail the way Jeep does if you look up Jeep Factory testing grounds and you will see the cheapest far more capable it has the most travel the most articulation the lockers the gearing everything
I mean straddling the rut that the Grenadier and Defender were plonked straight into probably helped the Raptor look better. So yeah, it was all the drivers choice of line 😂
@@pinecreek607 If you look the grenadier has full steering lock on, he is trying to go right but slips down because he is going to slow at that point. I firmly believe if the raptor was on the grenadier line with the speed it was going would've made it anyway, it's rear tyres follow that rut as it was
So when the Wrangler passed the third test there was minimal to no hole where the Grenadier dug a hole 😅 and even Defender could not pass it. So yeah it is the drivers mistake because the Raptor took the inside line and avoided the hole you made.
It wouldn't matter the Jeep is outstanding it can go rock crawling up Boulders in Factory form the way you see it right there. It can do anything at Moab and it can do the Rubicon Trail bone stock Factory form. I mean you don't even need to see it look at the specs long travel suspension sway bar disconnects full lockers super low gearing
Come on. The drivers pick different lines in the hill climb. No wonder some cars fail. It's driver error. And testing error. Should use one drive, same lines, etc.
As the owner of a Duster and having owned an old Land Rover Discovery the Duster a great car for the money, it's not perfect, but nothing is but still its a great all-rounder.
Best off roader for a newbie would be the Duster, most people wont take it past its capabilities and that makes the other vehicles here totally overkill.
@@digdilemI wouldn't even look at the new defender as a replacement. I'll avoid it. Probably Even when they are worth nothing and full of issues in 15yra
He went straight into the rut. He didn’t have enough momentum. I saw the brake lights come on briefly which is a bad thing on such a climb. Best smack it into 4L and take the crests of the ruts as much as possible so as to beat them into submission and not get stuck or beached.
The first Host Neil was going for proper line but the Second host Doug is like, even we make baja trucks get stuck in the mud where even Ignis can climb, It's like, if you want other cars look good Hire Doug so that he can portray even the hardcore off-road vehicle Incapable even if Neil drives an Ignis on a hill-climb test, This test looks more like a Buffoonery by what car guy's 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Well I guess that's the way the vehicles come. Land Rover turned ridiculous and deep is still the best. Over here in America that Rubicon can go on ridiculous rock crawling trails that that Defender could never do with any tires because it lacks the articulation and the lockers up front and the long travel and you can't manually adjust anything. The deepest lower it is lighter it has long travel tons of articulation it's just outstanding you should see what it can do. This video is nothing you should Google Factory Jeep Rubicon rock crawling and see what you find
It certainly looks like Doug stayed in the ruts on the left and that Neil stayed right and didn’t drop down into the ruts. I’m sure it was far harder than it looked to aim…
The front cross axle locker is not engaged on that Grenadier. Further, a different line is taken by the vehicles that succeeded in the climb vs those that didn’t. Not a great comparison where it really counts.
Problem with the Grenadier is that it is very heavy and it doesn't have the travel or the articulation that the Jeep does. The Grenadier is trying to be able to tow a lot and handle better on the road while the Jeep is only purely an off-road vehicle go look at Jeep testing grounds and look at what the Rock crawl with from the factory. I like the Grenadier don't get me wrong but the Jeep really is better it's not a comparison about the driver or the tires the Jeep is better I can explain why it's better it's literally better
I feel this should be done with only the one driver. That way all the comparisons are the same. One driver might be more "impressed" than the other, when both cars can accomplish the same thing
You chaps don't realise, for another 2000 Euro the Duster can be transformed into a 4x4 I only can wish my Raptor can keep up with. Here is the list I did on my play toy Duster: 1. Increase groud clearance with cheap coil struts (+30mm) 2. Increase ground clearance even more by changing tires to 235/70R16 (same size Rim) 3. Install the Blokka rear differential (LockRight locker). 4. Chip the engine to 102Kw and 340Nm !!!!! (And yes, I meant to write 340Nm out of a 1451cc diesel engine) 5. Install a Torsen differential in the front axle. Now compare this to the Raptor and if you know a thing or two about maths, you'll figure out why the Duster will go places very few road legal 4x4's can go. One more pice of the puzzle is: The Duster is only 1300Kg while the Raptor is 2 metric tonnes+ :( In the end - it is not the absence of power which gets you stuck. Most modern 4x4's have plenty power. Wheel grip is the real issue. And if you do the above to your Duster, you'll have 28cm ground clearance and the Raptor will need 35in tires to keep up with you... (My Raptor came out with only 33in tires)
Recently hired a very tired Wrangler for some very challenging terrain on holiday and it was so impressive and inspired a ton of confidence. It was horrible on road but as it was clearly poorly maintained I guess that was understandable. Great test but they should all have been on equivalent rubber.
They are horrible and downright dangerous on road. Off-road on an obstacle course, they remain the best (or close to) The trick is working out if that one tough obstacle you might be able to drive around is more important than swerving for a cow at 100 kph.
@mvubu6823 completed agree! Although in my opinion i think they are to compromised and quite frankly horrible on road. A Ineos is far better and more refined on road and still one of, if not the best, offroad.
@@adamgodbold6923 Sadly the lack of clearance makes it really tough to convince the crowds (and me) ThatHORRENDOUS lump in the RHD driver's foot well is a deal breaker for me. I REALLY liked the look and feel of it on a test drive, but I couldn't live with that lump on long drives. Price is also steep. Becomes a much tougher choice when head to head on LC300. If it was PRADO price, it would be that little bit more attractive for me,
@mvubu6823 yes whilst the price is steep compapared to a lc300 etc. Id personally pay the extra, as you get what you pay for. The ground clearance is just 10mm less than a rubicon, whilst it makes a difference its not a huge diffrence. Yes the lump is annoying and for some uncomfortable, however its a quirk i could live with. No cars are perfect.
Great review! For those who complain that the Inneos should have been on the same tyres as the Jeep Wrangler, that is what Inneos provided for $85,000. The Jeep tested wasn’t even the best off roader they sell! For $72k Jeep supplies it with a factory lift kit and 35 inch/315 mud terrain tyres. I guess then the next argument would be the Inneos should then be tested with an after market lift kit and bigger wheels. Oh and an after market disconnect-able sway bar…. Do all that and you are looking at $100k + with now no warranty to compete against a stock Jeep.
Raptor is designed by Australians who grew up with Land cruisers and Nissan Patrols so regardless of tyres and drivers it is a better vehicle. I have had 3 and always enjoyed driving past land and range rovers in ditches when we get a dusting of snow in the UK.
I have always been a Jeep fan. So I’m not surprised by the result. But some of the cars had “street” tyres and the Rubicon had proper off road tyres. Can’t wait for the New Landcruiser to take on the Jeep. Provided it has similar tyres. Great video
Probably should have used the same driver to make it fair. However the shock for me was that the duster got up a hill that the defender and ineos couldn't get up! Thats a bit embarrassing given they are purpose built off roaders whilst the duster is a value crossover.
When I go to remote locations in Africa and Australia, I mostly see Landcruisers. Built to last 20 years in tough conditions. Impressed with the Ineos quality, like a military GWagon W464, metal not plastic. Also impressed with the Ford capability. Rubicon 2.0 petrol engine too stressed for the weight = no longevity.
Even with better tires nothing would be that cheap in that video. The jeep has way more articulation and lower gearing and is lighter and lower than all of them. In America I seen Jeeps like that do crazy rock crawling Trails totally factory specs
Yes but it wouldn't matter if you took that to a rock crawling Trail and a bone stock Jeep crawled right up with articulation and travel that the defender doesn't have. Look up Factory Jeep Proving Grounds and look what Jeep can do. All this stuff is super easy they didn't even put the Jeep in low range
The point is Defender has hightway tyres while the ford has ko2s and the jeep has M/T tyres. All tyres should be similar to be fair for this review.@@ronaldrrootiii6040
Yeah people don't get it. I'm like come on just look at the specs. It's lighter and has more travel and has articulation it has full lockers it's just no contest at all. I feel like people who still try to think the new Defender is going to do so good are people that just don't understand these Concepts and they're just more into the name of the vehicle and the look. You could tell me the specs of what the jeep has and what everything else has and I would know what's going to do better without even seeing it do better. Here in America people take rubicons on rock crawling Trails totally factory specs and climb up boulders
One thing often missed out by these reviews or test's is long term ownership...and after working in motor trade for 40yrs ..One thing that I can easily say the cost of OEM jeep parts is shocking...example door window £990 ...starter motor £1800 ..
Duster has hill start/hold assist so why is he mocking about with handbrake? As we can see front bumper is taking a beating, I recomend investing in upgraded skid plate that covers bottom of the bumper, this little car can take you to a lot of awful places if you give it proper tires.
I am glad I watched other videos before this. So my pick would be Ineos Grenadier, Toyota Land Cruiser, or Nissan Petrol. Thank you. And I think people need to watch other Ineos Grenadier Videos before watching this other wise people will get wrong information. This is why more research and information is better before buying a car.
That's true but too bad they're testing them from the factory specs. The Jeep is way lighter has lower gearing, longer travel suspension more articulation complete full lockers sway bar disconnect it's just better you can watch them do rock crawling trails that the defender could never do with any tires because it's too stiff and top heavy
I agree the Wrangler is a great 4x4, I would buy one but sadly doesn’t have 3.5 ton towing capacity. Hence considering the Grenadier to replace my current Shogun.
Well yeah that's because anything that can tow a lot or handle good on the road doesn't have as much articulation and travel off-road and is much heavier
If you want to off road. You will not be buying any of the prestige stuff. Who wants to scratch their Range rover? Have a big off road budget? Get a Land Cruiser. Have a small budget? Get a Duster. It's really that simple.
l changed the tyres on my new Defender for the Goodyear Wrangler and it's much better off road. The standard tyres are poor in mud, so l am surprised the Defender did as well as this on effectively road tyres. However out of all these l would take the Wrangler, it's a true classic and looks right at home on that terrain.
Id say the jeep had the advantage and wassnt a fair test as the jeep didn't have to stop. Also the grenadier didnt have thr advantage of trying a different line A very good video and just the type i enjoy Top men happy 2024
All cars should be using same off road tire for a fair comparison, with same driver for a better comparison of performance. One driver if lifting off when car Slows. Result? Car gets stuck. Raptor is clearly an amazing all rounder and best value.
Since the Grenadier made the ruts deeper once and again and couldn't climb the hill, don't expect the New Defender do exactly the same in the same ruts and after the destruction the Grenadier did there. And we all see the Raptor climbed that hill because went outside those ruts. Stopped the video there, nothing else to see here.
you can absolutelly lock the diffs of the defeder yourself. also the defender has the option of AT tyres but you went with the road tyres for the test, clever. Bot the ineos and the defener could have climped the hill, had you had choosen the same angle of approach.
I completely agree about the same line, angle and approach with all cars. However you can not lock the defenders rear-diff manually, the car has to decide itself when to do it, cant be overridden manually. Also not front diff lock available at all on the defender unlike the ineos and rubicon.
@@adamgodbold6923 you can manually lock the rear diff as well. however they should also have a frond diff lovk as an option and rear diff lock should be standart
I had a 2020 Defender First Edition 110 D240 between June 2020 and March 2023, did 23000 miles in it on Duratrac AT’s with a lot of moderate/ heavy offroad stuff and I could manually lock the centre diff and change the amount of slippage but my 2023 D250 90 HSE doesn’t have that program as standard - it’s part of an option pack that I didn’t tick the box for but I did opt for the rear eDiff. In both cars it was interesting to see how hard the eDiffs work in wet conditions on the road as well as off it. Having owned a TDI 300 90 for 26 years prior to changing to the D240 110 there’s no way I would go back to the old style either, the old one might have been hugely capable offroad but 75% of my miles are on the tar and the new ones are great offroad but superb on it, especially the D250 which could very easily be a licence looser………. The 110 used for the video is a PHEV which runs the P300 petrol engine (the smallest engine in the range) and the electric motor - on road it gives near Defender V8 performance but also not great fuel consumption once you’ve used up the 21 miles real world electric range.
Or you can just get the Jeep and it's way better because it's lighter it has a lower center of gravity it has manual lockers it has manual locking transfer case with a better ratio and better differential hearing and way more suspension travel and articulation and it can do rock crawling Trails right up Boulders in factory specs while the defender will just get all stiff and tall and spin and grab and want to flip backwards because the traction control doesn't let it do things smoothly unless you're on moist surfaces like England
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 better diifs : source trust me bro manual transfer case, so what? ligher and lower center of gravity: no it doesnt It has more travel i ll give you that. ANything else, just pure BS.
Kinda hope this video gets better. 6 min in and so far you have done a tyre test and a driver test.... Feeling a bit conned by the video title if honest!
Maybe get the same guy driving all the vehicles ? Doug drove like an old woman ,straight into the same rut in the best two vehicles tested. The INEOS and Defender are only slightly rivalled by the Wrangler in reality.
@YOCOSMINMAX16 better how? Better as a family car? Sure. Better as an off roader? sure it is lol, jimny is a pure off roader, ladder frame chassis, live axles front and rear, low ratio transfer case, Dacia is just a family car with 4x4, it's nice but jimny eat Dacia for breakfast in any off road scenario. Dacia is better lol
@YOCOSMINMAX16 speak for yourself. Nobody, I all my friends and many other I know still do. I don't know where you live, but I have a vast desert in my country where we offroad in trails a Dacia would only dream of going. Just because you don't, doesn't mean no one dose lol. Just google offroad and see what people do all over the world in proper off road vehicles like wrangler, land cruiser, bronco, jimny, and the like, people do it all the time. So you don't good for you. Obviously you know nothing about off roading
@@-Belshazzar- Stfu, when i said "nobody" that means the majority of cheap 4x4 cars of today, my uncle has a business just for proper 4x4 stuff in Romania, search for "Cobrra 4x4". I know what 4x4 means but don't tell me that persons who spend £
🇬🇧Tyres,Tyres,Tyres. 🚙I would still pick the Jeep though 🚙having driven an old Jeep through some very bad weather I found it very forgiving and reliable ❤🇬🇧
Next time please get a driver who can off-road, knows how to set the cars up, turns diff locks on when needed, and fit equivalent tyres. Otherwise a masterpiece of incompetence over technology and the landscape.
Didn’t use same modes on all vehicles. One went up in high range another was low range and locked. The Defender seemed to have street tyres on it not All Terrains! And was it in Mud/Ruts mode?
The second man is taking all the wrong lines in the third hill climb, and failing the cars. I believe the voice over is done by the second man. What he misses is that along the final rut, first driver always took a far right line to avoid it at the first place from a few metres before. And the second driver always chose the wrong line, going straight into the rut. Strange!
disengage traction control on the duster, and it will smoke that easy circuit, if u leave it on it will cut all the power. From the test is missing another true offroader like the wrangler, and that is the new suzuki Jimny.
If a vehicle goes first and digs up the ground it’ll make it much harder for the second vehicle. The Ineos went second and the wrangler went flat out digging the ground up making it much harder. If the wrangler went around and tried it again I bet it would have struggled
Sorry but the guy driving the Defender and the Grenadier doesn't know how to pick a good line. If he stayed to the right from the beginning, both cars would have made it.
not on same tyres so doesn't mean much and the driver of the land rover and ineos was obviously either inexperienced off road or just completely unskilled , even with the disadvtage of going second
people why so much hate on this Chanel, im Glad that they did a test like this. but i got to be honest Doug isn't a good offroad driver 😂 and yes Dacia Duster is the winner for me alone the 24k preis tag with those capabilities 👏🎉
The sad point of the Wrangler is that it is from all tested cars the only that just got one Star in NCAP. So you should never ever have an accident with this car - it is the most lethal one.
Tyres maketh the car - at least in terms of hill starts on loose ground. That the two cheaper cars are also half the weight of the others makes a big difference too.
Different drivers and different tyres, will always produce unfair comparisons.
If they aren't on the same tyres none of this really means much!
Said this to the wife while watching lol
Completely agree and same driver too ideally. This was fun but not very objective.
I think the only two vehicles that had the same tires were the grenadier and the raptor which both had k02s.
Rubicon if on stock tires has k02s also
@@SVP7Rubicon comes with KM3 Mud Terrains from factory
Next week it's going to be a test on which is the best in the snow, some of the vehicles will have slick tyres and some will have winter tyres to make the test fair.
And one car will be on dry tarmac 😉😂
Driver error was very obviously the cause of failure for the Ineos and defender. Just try using the same line!
It looks like some of the blame, at least, belongs to the tires, and lack of articulation and travel in the front suspensions of the Ineos and Land Rover.
Better tires would grab and climb out of the ruts, and a lack of suspension travel and articulation can restrict the ability to get out of a deep rut as well.
I saw they used different lines as well, the driver in the Defender and Ineos went through the rut when the other driver went up the bank, no wonder one made it and the other didnt.
Exactly! How hard can that be!
Also both had very road biased tyres.
and the same driver
Doug proving you can get anything stuck if you just try hard enough to get into the deepest part of the rut you made when getting the last car stuck...
This is more a test of driving skills than cars
The Jeep is way more capable than all of those things go look up the Jeep testing grounds and see the rock crawling Jeep does to their vehicles from the factory and the articulation and all of the basic off-road things that comes with that other vehicles don't that you have to modify to be like
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I totally agree with you, the wrangler is head and shoulders above anything else including reliability! I've done 76,000 heavy duty miles in 9 years (I have a wrangler jk) and its been faultless and still looks like new!
Same driver, same tires and then we can actually compare. Regardless they are all very capable vehicles.
Until you take the Raptor and the Jeep to a rock crawling Trail the way Jeep does if you look up Jeep Factory testing grounds and you will see the cheapest far more capable it has the most travel the most articulation the lockers the gearing everything
I mean straddling the rut that the Grenadier and Defender were plonked straight into probably helped the Raptor look better.
So yeah, it was all the drivers choice of line 😂
Being in the rut wouldve ok with more throttle. The difference is the jeep and raptor have all terrains and twin locker s
@bazza2540 the grenadier also has all terrains and twin lockers.
If the defender went to the right the same route as the raptor would have done that rut hill no problem
Exactly! The raptor had the easier line.
@@pinecreek607 If you look the grenadier has full steering lock on, he is trying to go right but slips down because he is going to slow at that point. I firmly believe if the raptor was on the grenadier line with the speed it was going would've made it anyway, it's rear tyres follow that rut as it was
The one thing I learnt in this video. If you want to get up a hill Neil's your man! 😂
Hahaz solid comment.
The Jeep is so Good by far. If you look at what Jeep does at their testing ground they literally do rock crawling slow and precise with stock vehicles
So when the Wrangler passed the third test there was minimal to no hole where the Grenadier dug a hole 😅 and even Defender could not pass it.
So yeah it is the drivers mistake because the Raptor took the inside line and avoided the hole you made.
It wouldn't matter the Jeep is outstanding it can go rock crawling up Boulders in Factory form the way you see it right there. It can do anything at Moab and it can do the Rubicon Trail bone stock Factory form. I mean you don't even need to see it look at the specs long travel suspension sway bar disconnects full lockers super low gearing
Big factor was one driver seemed more capable than the other
Come on. The drivers pick different lines in the hill climb. No wonder some cars fail. It's driver error. And testing error. Should use one drive, same lines, etc.
As the owner of a Duster and having owned an old Land Rover Discovery the Duster a great car for the money, it's not perfect, but nothing is but still its a great all-rounder.
Best off roader for a newbie would be the Duster, most people wont take it past its capabilities and that makes the other vehicles here totally overkill.
Most people don't buy modern Land Rovers for their off road ability though - more about presence on the school run.
@@digdilemI wouldn't even look at the new defender as a replacement. I'll avoid it. Probably Even when they are worth nothing and full of issues in 15yra
Neil took a different line up that second hill - hard right. Doug was left off centre straight into the hole he dug deeper each time.
"Ohh I have to avoid it" - drives into it every time 😂
He went straight into the rut. He didn’t have enough momentum. I saw the brake lights come on briefly which is a bad thing on such a climb. Best smack it into 4L and take the crests of the ruts as much as possible so as to beat them into submission and not get stuck or beached.
The first Host Neil was going for proper line but the Second host Doug is like,
even we make baja trucks get stuck in the mud where even Ignis can climb,
It's like,
if you want other cars look good Hire Doug so that he can portray even the hardcore off-road vehicle Incapable even if Neil drives an Ignis on a hill-climb test,
This test looks more like a Buffoonery by what car guy's
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Try to make a balanced video next time with vehicles with near enough the same equipment, tyres etc.
Same cars, same tires, and the guy in defender will never pass. Look at him pushing the brake... that is lame.
Well I guess that's the way the vehicles come. Land Rover turned ridiculous and deep is still the best. Over here in America that Rubicon can go on ridiculous rock crawling trails that that Defender could never do with any tires because it lacks the articulation and the lockers up front and the long travel and you can't manually adjust anything. The deepest lower it is lighter it has long travel tons of articulation it's just outstanding you should see what it can do. This video is nothing you should Google Factory Jeep Rubicon rock crawling and see what you find
It certainly looks like Doug stayed in the ruts on the left and that Neil stayed right and didn’t drop down into the ruts. I’m sure it was far harder than it looked to aim…
The front cross axle locker is not engaged on that Grenadier. Further, a different line is taken by the vehicles that succeeded in the climb vs those that didn’t. Not a great comparison where it really counts.
Problem with the Grenadier is that it is very heavy and it doesn't have the travel or the articulation that the Jeep does. The Grenadier is trying to be able to tow a lot and handle better on the road while the Jeep is only purely an off-road vehicle go look at Jeep testing grounds and look at what the Rock crawl with from the factory. I like the Grenadier don't get me wrong but the Jeep really is better it's not a comparison about the driver or the tires the Jeep is better I can explain why it's better it's literally better
I feel this should be done with only the one driver. That way all the comparisons are the same. One driver might be more "impressed" than the other, when both cars can accomplish the same thing
The new Defender model with road tyres does more than fine!
You chaps don't realise, for another 2000 Euro the Duster can be transformed into a 4x4 I only can wish my Raptor can keep up with. Here is the list I did on my play toy Duster:
1. Increase groud clearance with cheap coil struts (+30mm)
2. Increase ground clearance even more by changing tires to 235/70R16 (same size Rim)
3. Install the Blokka rear differential (LockRight locker).
4. Chip the engine to 102Kw and 340Nm !!!!! (And yes, I meant to write 340Nm out of a 1451cc diesel engine)
5. Install a Torsen differential in the front axle.
Now compare this to the Raptor and if you know a thing or two about maths, you'll figure out why the Duster will go places very few road legal 4x4's can go.
One more pice of the puzzle is: The Duster is only 1300Kg while the Raptor is 2 metric tonnes+ :(
In the end - it is not the absence of power which gets you stuck. Most modern 4x4's have plenty power. Wheel grip is the real issue. And if you do the above to your Duster, you'll have 28cm ground clearance and the Raptor will need 35in tires to keep up with you... (My Raptor came out with only 33in tires)
Recently hired a very tired Wrangler for some very challenging terrain on holiday and it was so impressive and inspired a ton of confidence. It was horrible on road but as it was clearly poorly maintained I guess that was understandable. Great test but they should all have been on equivalent rubber.
They are horrible and downright dangerous on road.
Off-road on an obstacle course, they remain the best (or close to)
The trick is working out if that one tough obstacle you might be able to drive around is more important than swerving for a cow at 100 kph.
@mvubu6823 completed agree! Although in my opinion i think they are to compromised and quite frankly horrible on road. A Ineos is far better and more refined on road and still one of, if not the best, offroad.
@@adamgodbold6923 Sadly the lack of clearance makes it really tough to convince the crowds (and me)
ThatHORRENDOUS lump in the RHD driver's foot well is a deal breaker for me. I REALLY liked the look and feel of it on a test drive, but I couldn't live with that lump on long drives.
Price is also steep. Becomes a much tougher choice when head to head on LC300. If it was PRADO price, it would be that little bit more attractive for me,
@mvubu6823 yes whilst the price is steep compapared to a lc300 etc. Id personally pay the extra, as you get what you pay for.
The ground clearance is just 10mm less than a rubicon, whilst it makes a difference its not a huge diffrence.
Yes the lump is annoying and for some uncomfortable, however its a quirk i could live with. No cars are perfect.
@@adamgodbold6923the Grenadier is better on the road because it has less Flex and travel
Great review! For those who complain that the Inneos should have been on the same tyres as the Jeep Wrangler, that is what Inneos provided for $85,000. The Jeep tested wasn’t even the best off roader they sell! For $72k Jeep supplies it with a factory lift kit and 35 inch/315 mud terrain tyres. I guess then the next argument would be the Inneos should then be tested with an after market lift kit and bigger wheels. Oh and an after market disconnect-able sway bar…. Do all that and you are looking at $100k + with now no warranty to compete against a stock Jeep.
Rentals can go further and faster than any car that you own or lease.
The class action against Jeep for selling Wranglers with known corrosion issues is enough to make it a non-starter for many.
Raptor is designed by Australians who grew up with Land cruisers and Nissan Patrols so regardless of tyres and drivers it is a better vehicle. I have had 3 and always enjoyed driving past land and range rovers in ditches when we get a dusting of snow in the UK.
I would pick that Ignis...gem of a car
I have always been a Jeep fan. So I’m not surprised by the result. But some of the cars had “street” tyres and the Rubicon had proper off road tyres. Can’t wait for the New Landcruiser to take on the Jeep. Provided it has similar tyres. Great video
All on factory standard tyres though.
The rubicon had All Terains as well as the Grenadier and Raptor which both had KO2 AT tyres.
Duster 👍
What I've leaned from this is, if you want to climb hills, fit a/t tyres 😂
84bhp for the Duster? It's the 115bhp BlueDCI
Sometimes its not the car.... BUT the driver....
Probably should have used the same driver to make it fair. However the shock for me was that the duster got up a hill that the defender and ineos couldn't get up! Thats a bit embarrassing given they are purpose built off roaders whilst the duster is a value crossover.
The duster didnt attempt the hill the defender and ineos failed on. The duster got up the hill (level) before the one they couldn't get up.
When I go to remote locations in Africa and Australia, I mostly see Landcruisers. Built to last 20 years in tough conditions. Impressed with the Ineos quality, like a military GWagon W464, metal not plastic. Also impressed with the Ford capability. Rubicon 2.0 petrol engine too stressed for the weight = no longevity.
Pointless video without having them all on off-road tyres. Shame
Moron has all season radial tires on Grenedier.
Even with better tires nothing would be that cheap in that video. The jeep has way more articulation and lower gearing and is lighter and lower than all of them. In America I seen Jeeps like that do crazy rock crawling Trails totally factory specs
The point is from factory spec which they all were
The Dacia Duster is so capable, the Raptor is a beast 👌
You should have used a D300 with AT tyres instead of the P400e with road tyres would have done that hill no problem.
Yes but it wouldn't matter if you took that to a rock crawling Trail and a bone stock Jeep crawled right up with articulation and travel that the defender doesn't have. Look up Factory Jeep Proving Grounds and look what Jeep can do. All this stuff is super easy they didn't even put the Jeep in low range
The point is Defender has hightway tyres while the ford has ko2s and the jeep has M/T tyres.
All tyres should be similar to be fair for this review.@@ronaldrrootiii6040
I own a wrangler and I can tell you it's bloody fantastic
Yeah people don't get it. I'm like come on just look at the specs. It's lighter and has more travel and has articulation it has full lockers it's just no contest at all. I feel like people who still try to think the new Defender is going to do so good are people that just don't understand these Concepts and they're just more into the name of the vehicle and the look. You could tell me the specs of what the jeep has and what everything else has and I would know what's going to do better without even seeing it do better. Here in America people take rubicons on rock crawling Trails totally factory specs and climb up boulders
One thing often missed out by these reviews or test's is long term ownership...and after working in motor trade for 40yrs ..One thing that I can easily say the cost of OEM jeep parts is shocking...example door window £990 ...starter motor £1800 ..
I could say that the driver makes a huge difference
Thank you for this. I’ll go and get a Land Cruiser.
Good test guys.
Land Rover- 106.2 mpg never in this life.
it's petrol/electric
Yes. It's BS mpg on all hybrids.
I don’t care if it’s running on pixie dust, there is not a chance in hell it’s doing 106.2 mpg.
@@darrenhaywood9260 As long as the electricity lasts then the next full mile.
@@darrenhaywood9260 I'll tell everyone what does 100 + mpg, Honda cub motorcycles.
Duster has hill start/hold assist so why is he mocking about with handbrake? As we can see front bumper is taking a beating, I recomend investing in upgraded skid plate that covers bottom of the bumper, this little car can take you to a lot of awful places if you give it proper tires.
I’ll still take a Raptor! Too much fun!
I have Ford Raptor and it is amazing car.
you have the defender on road tyres! easily the best off road (bar wrangler but that’s compromised towing etc)
I am glad I watched other videos before this. So my pick would be Ineos Grenadier, Toyota Land Cruiser, or Nissan Petrol.
Thank you. And I think people need to watch other Ineos Grenadier Videos before watching this other wise people will get wrong information.
This is why more research and information is better before buying a car.
Rubicon if I had money, Dacia if I could afford new.
Subaru Legacy has to do meantime 😢
Stick them all on the same AT tyres and do the test again.
All you’ve done is tested AT against road tyres. Not the vehicles.
That's true but too bad they're testing them from the factory specs. The Jeep is way lighter has lower gearing, longer travel suspension more articulation complete full lockers sway bar disconnect it's just better you can watch them do rock crawling trails that the defender could never do with any tires because it's too stiff and top heavy
The Gren and Def failed the hill climb because the DRIVER FAILED to follow the same line as the Ford.
This was a 100 % skill issue.
You’re stat sheet for the duster at 15:32 is missing a couple of features. It has 360 off-road cameras & hill start assist.
I think if change the INEOS and DEFENDER driver the could go up in the las hill
I agree the Wrangler is a great 4x4, I would buy one but sadly doesn’t have 3.5 ton towing capacity. Hence considering the Grenadier to replace my current Shogun.
then go with the renegade.
Well yeah that's because anything that can tow a lot or handle good on the road doesn't have as much articulation and travel off-road and is much heavier
@@seanstewart6292why would he go with a crappy Jeep Renegade unibody construction that cannot tow 7000 lb which is what 3.5 tons is
i meant the gladiator my bad@@ronaldrrootiii6040
Maybe look into a grand Cherokee most can tow 3.5 ton while being very good off road and comfortable
Dacia is just a formidable car for few money 🤑.... Dacia it will be my new car ,soon .
Selling the VW Passat b8 sheet 🗑️..
Lesson 1 when off reading always use low range to save life of transmission/ clutch 🤷🤦
If you want to off road. You will not be buying any of the prestige stuff. Who wants to scratch their Range rover?
Have a big off road budget? Get a Land Cruiser.
Have a small budget? Get a Duster.
It's really that simple.
l changed the tyres on my new Defender for the Goodyear Wrangler and it's much better off road.
The standard tyres are poor in mud, so l am surprised the Defender did as well as this on effectively road tyres.
However out of all these l would take the Wrangler, it's a true classic and looks right at home on that terrain.
Id say the jeep had the advantage and wassnt a fair test as the jeep didn't have to stop. Also the grenadier didnt have thr advantage of trying a different line
A very good video and just the type i enjoy
Top men happy 2024
All cars should be using same off road tire for a fair comparison, with same driver for a better comparison of performance. One driver if lifting off when car Slows. Result? Car gets stuck. Raptor is clearly an amazing all rounder and best value.
Since the Grenadier made the ruts deeper once and again and couldn't climb the hill, don't expect the New Defender do exactly the same in the same ruts and after the destruction the Grenadier did there. And we all see the Raptor climbed that hill because went outside those ruts. Stopped the video there, nothing else to see here.
Why didn’t he lock the axles on the grenadier, it would’ve made it otherwise or if he would take the same line
I agree with wither dif lock or the same fair line it would have made it! Not a fair test.
@@adamgodbold6923 yeah, they definitely could’ve benefitted from a driver upgrade
you can absolutelly lock the diffs of the defeder yourself. also the defender has the option of AT tyres but you went with the road tyres for the test, clever. Bot the ineos and the defener could have climped the hill, had you had choosen the same angle of approach.
I completely agree about the same line, angle and approach with all cars.
However you can not lock the defenders rear-diff manually, the car has to decide itself when to do it, cant be overridden manually.
Also not front diff lock available at all on the defender unlike the ineos and rubicon.
@@adamgodbold6923 you can manually lock the rear diff as well. however they should also have a frond diff lovk as an option and rear diff lock should be standart
I had a 2020 Defender First Edition 110 D240 between June 2020 and March 2023, did 23000 miles in it on Duratrac AT’s with a lot of moderate/ heavy offroad stuff and I could manually lock the centre diff and change the amount of slippage but my 2023 D250 90 HSE doesn’t have that program as standard - it’s part of an option pack that I didn’t tick the box for but I did opt for the rear eDiff. In both cars it was interesting to see how hard the eDiffs work in wet conditions on the road as well as off it. Having owned a TDI 300 90 for 26 years prior to changing to the D240 110 there’s no way I would go back to the old style either, the old one might have been hugely capable offroad but 75% of my miles are on the tar and the new ones are great offroad but superb on it, especially the D250 which could very easily be a licence looser……….
The 110 used for the video is a PHEV which runs the P300 petrol engine (the smallest engine in the range) and the electric motor - on road it gives near Defender V8 performance but also not great fuel consumption once you’ve used up the 21 miles real world electric range.
Or you can just get the Jeep and it's way better because it's lighter it has a lower center of gravity it has manual lockers it has manual locking transfer case with a better ratio and better differential hearing and way more suspension travel and articulation and it can do rock crawling Trails right up Boulders in factory specs while the defender will just get all stiff and tall and spin and grab and want to flip backwards because the traction control doesn't let it do things smoothly unless you're on moist surfaces like England
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 better diifs : source trust me bro
manual transfer case, so what?
ligher and lower center of gravity: no it doesnt
It has more travel i ll give you that.
ANything else, just pure BS.
I’m happy and proud owner of 2 door wrangler with 3,6 liters, glad it’s won 😅
Kinda hope this video gets better. 6 min in and so far you have done a tyre test and a driver test.... Feeling a bit conned by the video title if honest!
Maybe get the same guy driving all the vehicles ? Doug drove like an old woman ,straight into the same rut in the best two vehicles tested. The INEOS and Defender are only slightly rivalled by the Wrangler in reality.
One driver is clearly far superior to the other!
I enjoyed watching the Video l. One of the best Comparison Group Tests 😊
You brought a dacia duster but not jimny?!? Come on
Dacia's better
@YOCOSMINMAX16 better how? Better as a family car? Sure. Better as an off roader? sure it is lol, jimny is a pure off roader, ladder frame chassis, live axles front and rear, low ratio transfer case, Dacia is just a family car with 4x4, it's nice but jimny eat Dacia for breakfast in any off road scenario. Dacia is better lol
@@-Belshazzar- Nobody uses 4x4 proper now.
@YOCOSMINMAX16 speak for yourself. Nobody, I all my friends and many other I know still do. I don't know where you live, but I have a vast desert in my country where we offroad in trails a Dacia would only dream of going. Just because you don't, doesn't mean no one dose lol. Just google offroad and see what people do all over the world in proper off road vehicles like wrangler, land cruiser, bronco, jimny, and the like, people do it all the time. So you don't good for you. Obviously you know nothing about off roading
@@-Belshazzar- Stfu, when i said "nobody" that means the majority of cheap 4x4 cars of today, my uncle has a business just for proper 4x4 stuff in Romania, search for "Cobrra 4x4".
I know what 4x4 means but don't tell me that persons who spend £
The driver defines the out come. Taking good lines evidently helps.
tyres are too small on the ineos from the factory by fully 1/3 HUGE error right from appearance onto comfort and of course onto performance.....
They should all have the same tyres on..
And the same driver. I see big differences… sorry to say so…
This test would have been far more representative with driver rotation....
Jeep is definitely de best Off Road car but Duster is the best for every day use. The others are forgettable...
🇬🇧Tyres,Tyres,Tyres. 🚙I would still pick the Jeep though 🚙having driven an old Jeep through some very bad weather I found it very forgiving and reliable ❤🇬🇧
neil just avoids that rut by choosing to go right. the other driver of the ineos just goes right at it, in the middle
The Defender doing all that with road tyres is impressive.
Next time please get a driver who can off-road, knows how to set the cars up, turns diff locks on when needed, and fit equivalent tyres. Otherwise a masterpiece of incompetence over technology and the landscape.
there's a massive difference in tyres between jeep and ineos. I can admit different brands or whatever, but the size of them matter a lot here
Different drivers plus different tyres means not uniform test
I would like to see if the opinions changed with an Australian Ranger Raptor with 100hp more than the one you have in Europe.
Didn’t use same modes on all vehicles. One went up in high range another was low range and locked.
The Defender seemed to have street tyres on it not All Terrains!
And was it in Mud/Ruts mode?
The second man is taking all the wrong lines in the third hill climb, and failing the cars.
I believe the voice over is done by the second man. What he misses is that along the final rut, first driver always took a far right line to avoid it at the first place from a few metres before. And the second driver always chose the wrong line, going straight into the rut. Strange!
Tyre pressure?
I think the weight of the Grenadier works against it.
No off road tyres on the defender or grenadier but the raptor is off road ready. What a fix
Obviously ,Grenadier trialmaster edition🔛🔝👍
disengage traction control on the duster, and it will smoke that easy circuit, if u leave it on it will cut all the power. From the test is missing another true offroader like the wrangler, and that is the new suzuki Jimny.
If a vehicle goes first and digs up the ground it’ll make it much harder for the second vehicle. The Ineos went second and the wrangler went flat out digging the ground up making it much harder. If the wrangler went around and tried it again I bet it would have struggled
You can't fault vehicles for hill performance when you failed to take the successful line.
Sorry but the guy driving the Defender and the Grenadier doesn't know how to pick a good line. If he stayed to the right from the beginning, both cars would have made it.
not on same tyres so doesn't mean much and the driver of the land rover and ineos was obviously either inexperienced off road or just completely unskilled , even with the disadvtage of going second
A tyre test.
people why so much hate on this Chanel, im Glad that they did a test like this.
but i got to be honest Doug isn't a good offroad driver 😂
and yes Dacia Duster is the winner for me alone the 24k preis tag with those capabilities 👏🎉
The sad point of the Wrangler is that it is from all tested cars the only that just got one Star in NCAP. So you should never ever have an accident with this car - it is the most lethal one.
Tyres maketh the car - at least in terms of hill starts on loose ground. That the two cheaper cars are also half the weight of the others makes a big difference too.
Why has no UA-cam channel got sponsored by a tire manufacture so they can put the same tires on all the test cars??? That would make a lot of sense.
TFL Truck does that sometimes
Filmed at Millbrook which considering the Ineos practically lived there during its trials phase it should do well. I’ve done 100’s of miles there.
I was more excited to see the little Ignis 💪.