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I'm here from the future to tell you that S8 Tyrion is basically a vegetable.
Except at the end. He finally did something cool and that was in the last episode.
@@johnnymarin5035 He did?
@@ML-pp4ov Nope but I guess that's just my humble opinion.
@@johnnymarin5035 Stop lying.
You'll notice a SIGNIFICANT drop of quality in the show when they started free styling instead of following GRRMs material.
@Bolton His biggest mistake was writing both AFfC and ADwD, the developments in them could've been handled in just one book, maybe even handled as back stories and included in TWoW. A 5 or at most 6 book series would've been enough.
It's like you're getting your father's business as an inheritance and then you decide to throw it all away because you think you can have a better life following your dreams to be a musician. And then you starve, the business fails and your father's disappointed.
Thomas Dixon Jr. Because a lot of those pages are filler, a whole lot of words that don’t move the plot.
Nope that is on Geroge RR martin just as much. His own writing started to fall apart badly after book 3
His series died on the vine before it ever made it to the big screen. The plots he dropped like hot potatos after book one left me cold on his writing.
Tyrion is supposed to be a smart strategist. In the past two seasons he hasn't given a single good advice. It's pathetic.
The writers didn't only ruin Tyrion (he was an early casualty) but they've now ruined pretty much every character left in the show.
Which is simply tragic because Tyrion is GRRM's most favorite character and the smartest character in the series.
Only Theon, Sandor, Melisandre, Lyanna, Jorah and Beric weren't ruined. The rest ... lol
@j mula true she was annoying af but at least she wasn't ruined
@@louisdnd934 Theon did have some pretty dumb scenes though. The time he was getting his ass kicked but then the guy tried to knee him in his non-existant balls naturally resulting in Theon winning the fight.... So amazingly stupid.
His last scene he runs at the night king instead of holding his ground to try to buy as much time as possible for anything to happen. For all he knew some little ninja girl could have just fallen out of the sky and killed the night king in one blow.
... Im just joking of course thats ridiculous. Still though he should have backed away from him instead of running to his death.
@@louisdnd934
Sorry, I'm late, but they ruined Sandor and Beric, when they turned them into comic relief characters. Also the whole "Cleaganebawl" sequence is a facepalm. And show Lyana was a ruin since the begining. However, Theon (though, he did have a few dumb scenes, as someone already mentioned), Melisandre (though, she didn't do much in the last seasons, besides lighting the swords, which didn't even help, and being over the top mysterious) and Jorah (though, his endind could've been much better and less predictable) are spot on.
I feel sorry for Peter Dinklage. Tyrion is like the role of his Life, he was really invested in It, he could've done so much more.
After current events with the soon Disney live action Snow White and how he got rid of the dwarfs still feel sorry for him?
@@Nathan-ti9pm Yes
The showrunners have ruined so many characters, Loras became a stereotypical gay dude whereas in the books he is a Kingsguard member and launched an assault on Dragonstone.
Jon didn't change at all after his death, except for becoming a stereotypical hero. Daenerys is still an idiot, Jaime took way too long to leave Cersei, Margaery and Tommen were killed off. Cersei is a stereotypical villain and apparently isn't hated by her people after causing her own son, the king to commit suicide and killing the queen and her family. She even killed her own uncle and the Westerosi equivalent of the Pope.
Bran was turned into a robot, Arya became an immortal superhero and Sansa is just there. Littlefinger became a mustache twirling idiot and Varys became a total boot licker with no plans of his own. They'll probably ruin the Golden Company as well now that they're bringing them into the show, which kinda sucks.
Moonw1ng
I was pleased when Finn and Jessica got their own show on Netflix (Iron Fist) after both were so badly treated by D&D.
Yeah, I feel really bad for both of them. Loras was thrown into the trashcan when they decided to change the High Sparrow plot and killed him off along with all the other great characters in King's Landing (Mace, Kevan etc). And Nymeria was canned when the showrunners got massive amounts of backlash from their season 5 Dorne storyline, then they did the even worse Dorne storyline from season 6 where they kill off Doran, Hotah and Trystane, turning the Sand Snakes into Kinslayers. When they got even more backlash from that, they just decided to forget about Dorne and kill off the Sand Snakes.
That’s it in the proverbial nutshell!
Exactly I scream this.. Loras was a top 10 swordsman and they shit on his character
@@brentloy131 So they didn't show favoritism to one of your favs = "OMG Bad writing wtf".
He lost his individuality, now he's just Daneys puppet, it's happening to Jon Snow as well
Jon has always been someones puppet...
Flávio Monteiro
Oh how you were wrong
@@zain4019 He was Tyrion's puppet at the end lol he's always been someone's puppet
@@IBBMS yeah cause his arc was ruined.
@@mck7646 Indeed
Tyrion next to Cersei: AMAZING
Tyrion next to Daenerys: The most boring character ever.
I'll just leave this here.
The simple question: what the fuck do you think he should do? Quit developing as an adult and human?
@asd fgh Nope. When the show got ahead the books. Tyrions lines changed from some of the best to lame crap
Thats because the show is not that good anymore, as it has only some tips from George Martin and not full books.
That’s because with Cersei he didn’t let her walk all over him like a puff, with dani he just lets her shout and scream at him and all he does is stand there all like 😞😐. And Jesus Christ how fucking stupid can he be to trust Cersei, honestly, he used to be the cleverest person in the show not he’s just there to make jokes I guess. Sansas the best character anyway.
@@tw9977 Lol Sansa? I hate how they're portraying her as this super intelligent political player. WHAT HAS SHE ACTUALLY DONE? Besides second-guessing Jon at every moment without having an alternative solution
Varis ist also just an empty shell of his former self.
And a teleporting shell to boot.
Even more so
What happened to Tyrion? Daenerys happened. He has literally no storyline of his own. Of course the writers are to blame because they erase his entire storyline. Now he drinks and makes jokes.
Sakura Yuki The writers being lazy happened...
Because he has balls 🙄
He's in a compromised position because he's finally found someone he believes in. He has purpose he's never had, and it's obviously difficult for him.
Writing out Tysha was a huge mistake. That could have given Tyrion a decent subplot of finding her and let him stand on his own
@@EulogyfortheAngels nope,it's bad writing,stop making shitty excuses
I almost didn't even bother with S8, but I figured I was invested and should see it out. But I am angered too, because this show did not need to die this way. It's just painful to watch now.
1-5 tyrion - An genius intellect on par with Tywin Lannister, with an incredible wit and strategic mind that makes him incredibly dangerous.Also has compassion due to being downtrodden, and has a habit of talking too much. Has a unique story and motivations.
Season 6-7 tyrion: An idiot who basically fails at everything he attempts. Gets schooled in war efforts by both his siblings on numerous occasions. Runs about telling everyone how smart he is, while sprouting rather unfunny lame jokes. Becomes Dany's Lapdog and does nothing of any interest on his own.
I agree completely. They've show them selves to not really be good writers the more they diverge for the real story.
They started to do the same old tropes that most tv shows do. Characters who were supposed to be smart suddenly become completely moronic, but everyone still claims they're smart in the show. I think one of the best examples of this was Petyr Baelish. He died the same way as Eddard Stark. He just blindly did things his way, and stupidly kept pushing stuff until he got killed. That's not how Petyr would have died. He was like some sort Judo master of manipulation. The writers were so proud of their selves for the scene where she accused Petyr. I don't know anybody who was surprised. I was watching that scene saying "No they are not about to do this..." and then they called his name, and I laughed openly at how moronic and predictable that whole scene was.
They do this thing where they make all the characters around someone really stupid temporarily so they can say that the one person not being a moron is super smart. It's so frustrating to watch this show now. :(
My thoughts exactly. They also give in to public pressure. After the lash back from Sansa with Ramsey's wedding night, every season after, they made Littlefinger a plot device to strengthen her character while weakening him in the process. Him killing Lysa Tully with no plan in the show and leaving his fate entirely to Sansa's mercy? Him saving Jon Snow in Battle of the Bastards without securing a plan of his own elevation prior and then just begging Sansa? Whatever the fuck his plan was by turning Sansa and Arya against each other just so they could create the eye rolling predictable scene where they worked together to "outsmart" him..................................Also, the lashback with the Sansa and Ramsey change wasn't even warranted imo. In the books, fake Arya had it much worse. Also, how would it have gone down any other way with Ramsey who has already been established as piece of shit, without breaking suspension of disbelief. The show today functions like a typical cable tv show because of the people that complain about this. Last season literally felt like a badly written fanfiction. Also the current Starks are the worst rulers ever. They didn't even have a proper trial and executed a man over a seemingly delusional Bran Stark. I'll take Joffrey or Cersei any day.
Do you plan on watching the final season? Or are Benioff and Friedman such bad writers that you won't bother?
Xearrik Gaming
Very well put! The character inconsistencies to forward the plot have ruined it.
I'll watch it. It still has great production value at least, which can create cool scenes, there's just no substance and the writing hurts. Unfortunately, it will spoil the books so the ultimate outcome will be the same. I'd love to just wait and not have it spoiled but....season 3 wasn't even out when I finished book 5. I've kinda lost hope at this point. Even if this book releases next year (if we're lucky), the last book will take a lot longer I imagine.
It is because they are too dumb to write intelligent characters. You don't have to be a genius to write one, just be a competent writer.
Lemme just put it out there, George RR Martins needs to be around for Tyrion to be written right.
He needs to be around for the show to be written correctly overall, pft!!
George!!! Go back and help!!!
@@hellomd5046 GRRM: DAN, DAVE!
D&d:yes george
*George shows them 7x5 beyond the wall*
GRRM: this is SHIT, wheres your first draft for season 8
*d&d hands them the draft*
*GRRM grabs both of them by the ear and pulls them into an office space*
GRRM: We are going to fix this before you two Imp heads fuck this up again
NO PLEASE! Tyrion character has the most boring story in the books since he killed his father!
T3hCr0w, GRRM can't even be around to finish his own book. Game Of Thrones and ASOIAF has seen their glory days. They're so done.
This is a symptom of a larger problem. Take the general Lannister-Stark plotline, which I'd say was the main driving conflict of Phase I. The political aspect of that is basically over after the Red Wedding. However, the aftermath of it is still very much present in the novels.
For three books we had people going ''lol ned such naive! xD' and 'omg tywin so brutal and effective!'. Then Feast happens and we see how his entire house fucks itself to death before his corpse is even cold. The show gives us none of this. Jaime getting disillusioned with Cersei and war? Gone. Cersei going completely fucknuts? Gone. Tyrion being a miserable wretch? Gone.
Then we get Dance and the complete vindication of Ned and the Stark ways. From the wild mountain clans to the ordinary houses to the Southron Manderlys, everyone loved Ned and the Starks so much that they're itching to rise for a dead and disgraced house. We get this perfect irony in that Ned left a better legacy than Tywin ever could have. In the show? One old lady saying 'The North remembers', then immediately getting flayed by Ramsay before he goes to brutally rape Sansa some more or whatever (while the rest of the North pays no mind).
This is a supergod analysis
You want to talk about deflated characters? How about Jon Snow this season xD
His whole character arch was built around the White Walkers and convincing people they exist and to join him and save the world from the apocalypse. He was resurrected to be Azor Ahai... then he doesn't even get to kill or even duel the Night King. Instead, it is killed by Arya, a character with no relation to the Night King and whom only just found out about the White Walkers....
Subverting expectation isn't good writing, unless there is good reason for it. Deus Ex Machinas are also not an example of good writing....
All he says now is " She is my queen"
Zephius64 keeping main characters centered all the time is what small fries like D&D can't do when they have such huge panel of characters. they just focus on Daenerys and don't know how to write proper script
@@goldengoatee2237 Do you know the Ugandan Knuckles meme? He basically has the character depth of that meme....
"Show me da wae, my kween!"
We don't know if he's resurrected to be Azor Ahai, that's just your guess. Even in the books this isn't clear there are hints it could be him o it could be Dany, and no where does it say whoever it is will "slay the night kind" it just says they'll wield a fire sword (may not even be literal) and "bring the dawn."
I'd go as far to say pretty much all of the character arcs and outcomes were wildly mishandled. I can't think of much that was done with sense and reason, felt like it was just all subverting expectations and rushing to get it over with. After 7 seasons this is the best they could do?
GRRM can write but D&D don’t have even the slightest bit of talent to write for Tyrion
D&D has been working with GRRM's training wheels and when they got removed in s5 D&D started to falter as they actually had to work.
Eddie LM Maybe characters like the Hound and Tormund Giantsbane are the exception? But yeah, so many bad choices from the start, and now it's mostly bad.
I think it would be great if they made the last season all about Tormund, Sandor, Jaime and Brienne, and just showed Westerosi WW2 through their limited points of view. 0% chance of that though
@@MarcAlcatraz
I agree, it not just Tyrion either it's the entire cast and show plot as a whole. As soon as they diverge from the source material they shit the bed...
Seth Huntley true,but an exception to that may be Jaimie as his morality was being challenged by Cersei the entire season and the arc ended with him disavowing her and leaving which i thought was nice.
They destroyed his character on the show
They destroyed the show
except they didnt
what?! the guy has been through hell and back. can he take a little break before everything turns to sh t again as it inevitably will?
They destroyed all the characters.
Big Durk
It's hard to write a character who's smarter than you are.
The problem I have with Tyrion is that he's just a propaganda piece for Daenerys. Every reunion he has with another character in Westeros begins with a short exchange about how they know each other, and then the rest of the conversation is Tyrion trying to convince them how amazing Dany is. And now in Season 7 Jon acts the same way. It's getting difficult to enjoy a show that sacrifices interesting characters for a single character that I don't particularly like.
I've always liked Dany, but this is a serious issue.
Dany doesn't need Tyrion to be relevant and interesting. Tyrion needs Dany to stay in the show and retain power. Tyrion would have been caught by the Gold Cloaks the night he killed Tywin. He would have died. Varys would have turned traitor and turned him in to save his own skin.
@@ctruth6185 The fuck do you mean Dany doesn't need Tyrion to be relevant? Why does she even have him as her Hand of the Queen then?
Can't he be both relevant and interesting and still serve Dany, or is that impossible in your opinion?
@@sandycharge3290 That still leaves interesting though...
It's even crazier when you know where this is all going... there's no preparation, no nothing.
Lack of George RR Martin's genius is what happened to Tyrion Lannister.
i suppose it's akin to the "Littlefinger effect" as i call it, once a character that has a silver tongue (Varys, Tyrion, Baelish) leaves King's Landing their usefulness to the plot lessens and D&D cannot be relied on to write characters like that well once they go to new settings. Because let's face it, all three of those characters have been on a downturn in Season 7.
Season 4 cough cough
Reaginic Wolf llol yes that was when GRRM stopped.
@@MarcAlcatraz
"Littlefinger effect"...I needed that term! Thank you very much!
Nachiket Pargaonkar i take it from the bastardization that D&D performed on LF last season, it got the character killed so i figured it should be named after him.
@@MarcAlcatraz
Appropriately thought. The most cunning, intelligent & intriguing character being outsmarted by a naive princess, a wolverine & a super computer cheatcode; but all the credit going to the princess. Such a shame.
I don't get how he won the Emmy now, but not in season 4. Nothing against Peter, but the character isn't good. Not even fun to listen too. Before that every damn word he said established him as a highly intelligent person.
Marat Because breaking bad was on. Game of thrones only wins now because breaking bad is done.
@@Jamie-kv9eg I like Breaking Bad, but I think Game of Thrones S1-S4 was somewhat stronger.
Seasons 2-4 of Game of Thrones have some problems. Some of them are, qarth, whitewashing of characters like Cersei and Tyrion, removal of Tysha, poor buildup to the red wedding, filler in seasons 3 and 4(crasters’s keep and theon’s torture), and villainising Stannis and not giving him enough screentime or devolopment. I know this all this has to do with me being a “book purist” but none of D&D’s changes are really well written or engaging compared to the book. Personally, I think only the first season of the show did ASOIAF justice. I’ve currently watched all of season one and half of season two of Breaking Bad, and so far I think it’s the stronger show.
@@backstabbingscumbag6657 I don't think they're perfectly adapted. Most changes I think are annoying, like the House of the Undying like you said.
But Breaking Bad isn't perfect either. It doesn't have a source material to compare it to, so I think people are more forgiving. It's less ambitious. I think the seasons are often longer than they should be. Some scenes are kinda boring and others are really exciting, yet these end very quickly, that leaves me unsatisfied, whereas in Game of Thrones I consistently feel invested even if that's two people talking in a dark cell.
It's true that Breaking Bad didn't drop in quality like Game of Thrones did after season 4, the last season is the best in my opinion, but it still felt like they left too much to be wrapped up in the last couple of episodes (which are the most intense ones, one strong moment after another). Don't wanna hate, just elaborate why I would have said GoT is better at the time.
Top Hat That is not what they meant by whitewashing you plonker, Cersei and Tyrion are white in the books too.
Is anybody bothered that Tyrion´s hair get darker every season?
It might be a metaphorical braking away from his Lannister origins.
I was was blond as a kid, and my hair is dark now. Its not uncommon
Jaimie too
@Default Name It was very gradual. I was full on blonde in my toddler pictures, its a dark brown now that I'm 22
@@MinuteLeech2 umm yeah, I was blonde and i mean full yellow haired as a toddler.. My hair got full brown at age of 6 I think.. Its not that uncommon among the children.. But going from blonde to brown as an adult like tyrion is, never happens... I dont mind that on the show.. Just pointing out that it doesent happen to adults..
#NotMyTyrion
#NotMyStannis
#NotMyArya
You could make a lot of these hashtags.
Let's face it, the story has been going down hill since season 4.
The dialogue are lame and the characters do not resemble on nothing to their books contrapart.
I especially agree with the dialogue part. Their vanacular has changed from medieval to 21 century.
YES!!!!!! what happened there???? That was the first thing I really noticed and hated. The dialogue went from that clip we just watched here with Charles Dance being spectacular, to 21st century language.. that bit at the start of season 6 where Sansa confronts Littlefinger I was shocked by the terrible dialogue, trying to sound medieval but failing 'and I dont mean in my tender heart it pains me so'
@@hellomd5046 yeah. It's actually trash, the dialogue is just sucking danys dick
So true. The dragon pit scene is the epitome of poor dialogue (what little there is of it)
So true!!
They CAN'T write for him... D & D are not clever enough.
There is a scene with Missandei, Grey Worm, and him where all they talk about is how they can't think of anything to talk about!
Same reason why Little Finger doesn't need to seize the last word, we can just assume it was clever.. Because THEY CAN'T WRITE FOR THOSE CHARACTERS WITH OUT THE BOOKS.
4 episode left. It will be damn near impossible to pay off everything we've been building up to in 4 episodes. This chunk of the story should have been atleast two full seasons. We're gonna get a battle, good guys will win and that's that. I'm glad the books exist so when this is all done I can read a fully fledged, deep, twisting story.
But you will never get the pay off you want anyways, because George won't ever actually finish the series and will instead keep working on other series while mildly "progressing" through the current book at a pace slower then a snail.
We live in a world where this is likely going to be the only pay off we get, and they won't pay off everything that was set up to begin with.
I dont think that george rr martin is gonna reliese the last book.he doesnt give a fuck anymore with all that hbo money
Yeah that's what I'm getting at, they spent 7 seasons building up, and three quarters of a season to pay it all off. It's don't make no sense, and I haven't read the books yet, I'm hoping when I do that the ratio is a little more balanced.
Also I understand that there isn't a perfect world and I'll never get the pay off I specifically had been hoping for. I just saw endgame and had similar feelings of meh, I don't think it's all on them, but it sure as shit ain't all on me lol.
@@yesman9792 hang in there man, life gets better
It ain't right what they did to Varys
I'm sure you are thrilled with how Season 8 has gone thus far ...
It's all pretty confusing... there wasn't much more than a look that Dany gave for Varys to say "to hell with this it's time for treason".
So true.
They wrote themselves into the corner with Tyrion. We know's he's a smart guy and he's supposed to offer Dany good advice but the plot dictates that she fail at every turn so this leads to the obvious: Why the hell hasn't she fired him?
Simple. They love the character and the actor and while they don't know what to do with him they don't have the balls to let him go.
That's the weird thing. Dany 'had to fail' (but then not really, as she still ends S7 having the advantage vs Cersei) because they'd stacked the deck too damn hard in her favour pre S7. All the Dothraki, the richest House in the 7 Kingdoms, the Kingdom probably least touched by the previous wars and strife, a whole lot of Unsullied, a good chunk of the Greyjoy's fleet AND 3 Dragons? They had to pull some BS to even up the score, otherwise 'bankrupt Lannisters, the Crownlands and the Tarlys' just get steamrolled, and there's no struggle and plot.
Tyrion's advice wasn't actually that 'bad'. It all made sense from a 'I want to rule this land, not conquer and devastate' perspective. His comments about being viewed as 'foreign pillaging invaders' are vindicated when that's the exact argument used by the Lannisters to sway the Tarlys away from Highgarden (so one would assume they weren't the only House swayed in such a manner). His plan only failed because Euron could pull another fleet out of his magic space hole and teleport between Dorne (ish), KL and Casterly Rock at will, plus the Tyrells going from 'we're the real power keeping the King on the throne' to 'surprise Lannisters, we can't fight and are dead' almost literally between episodes. The plot holes ended Dany's allies, not Tyrion's ideas.
oldenvye6432 firing Tyrion isn’t very sound logic just because their plans didn’t work. There are more forces at play. They hadn’t counted on the Lannister army being pulled out of casterly rock to take down high garden. That was like the only point she failed the past season. Do all of your plans work out when you want them to? No of course not.
efffvss Ummmm.....Tyrion’s plan was awful and made absolutely no sense. He shouldn’t have been made Hand of the Queen to begin with. If Tyrion’s plan is to starve the city (which would take years and kill more people) why wouldn’t Daenerys go to Highgarden? I’m not even getting this from the books the show has made it clear that Highgarden supplies all the food to King’s Landing. Dragon Stone is an island with no resources (again the show makes that clear) if the plan is to control the food supply the Reach is the obvious place to go. It makes zero sense for Daenerys to leave such a valuable Castle and location undefended. Season 7 was a fucking mess.
Yes it was, but that isn't because Tyrion's plan was bad. It's because the entire series became an illogical mess.
Now I can't remember of the top of my head if the plan was for Dany's forces to fully starve out the city (which wouldn't take years, it takes years to starve properly supplied fortresses with small garrisons, not cities of half a million+ people) or put in under Siege for a later assault. But either way the point was to have Westerosi forces (Dorne and the Tyrells/Reach) do it, not 'foreign invaders'. And siege/starvation are more accepted, less of a culture shock for the country than 'burn the Capital down with Dragonfire, but Dany's a benevolent ruler, honest'. Why would Dany need to go to Highgarden? House Tyrell held Highgarden, and were declared for Dany. Team Targaryen did hold the Reach. The 'mistake' was nobody realising the Tyrells couldn't actually fight to save their lives, despite apparently being the 'power behind the throne' for the last 4 or so series. And that's not Tyrion's fault.
The only real 'mistake' Tyrion made was not anticipating that the Lannisters wouldn't defend Casterly Rock with their full force. Which imo is hardly a 'he should be fired' offence.
If you want to slate Tyrion, the 'let's go capture a Wight' plan is far more stupid than the initial 'how to seize the throne with an eye to holding it' plan. Or him not mentioning 'just marry Jon Snow' to get around the whole 'bend the knee' vs 'don't wanna' crap. Especially as the need for a political marriage was the reason the show used for Dany leaving Daario in Meeren in S6. Someone should've remembered that.
I've heard that the big problem is that they removed Aegon and tried to replace him with Cersei as Dany's main opponent in Westeros. Problem is, with Cersei's plotline to date, she shouldn't be a credible foe to Daenerys because no one should be following her. Plus, Daenerys has so many advantages. So, to keep the drama going, they have to have Daenerys make tons of stupid mistakes to avoid it being a curb stomp battle, and to give Tyrion something to do, they have him make those mistakes for her.
D&D are so dumb that they can't keep fully developed characters IN CHARACTER. After season 4 we're given "D&D's version of Tyrion". We're shown his sachems, whits and humor but in reality he's failing at everything with no consequences. He makes a deal with slavers, they attack anyway and Danny is just cool with that. Tyrion's plans cost Danny most of her fleet, three of her allies and Unsullied are stranded. She just gets a little pissed. His last plan almost costs Danny her last ally, gets one of her dragons killed, accomplishes nothing with Cersei AND gets the Night King past the wall. Nobody seas nothing? He's still hand of the queen?
With that in mind Tyrion had more reasons to get killed/executed in season 7 than Littlefinger. But Tyrion is the fans favorite and someone needs to die so it better be Littlefinger, in the stupidest way possible I might add. Fan service all the way.
People just need to stop looking at GoT as TV adaptation of ASOIAF and consider it more in the lines of "TV show based on ASOIAF". Because adaptation stopped ling time ago and at this point they're just using that world to make shit up.
You have hit the point, man. Martin is a great writer, who knows how to advance a story and at the same time make sure that the characters always act according to their own personality, coherent or incoherent it may be. D&D, on the other hand, simply, incredibly, deeply, passionately suck at their job and have transformed the characters (especially the main ones, especially the "clever and Machiavellian" ones like Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger) into dummies that act either to simplify their work as totally bad writers or to jerk off an audience as stupid as possible
@numbSKULLery He's there to secretly prepare the way for Aegon, his "Perfect Prince", by manipulating all sides......err, wait.
Wait he’s in the show still? I thought he vanished.
@Rtkts
With slapping added
You are way too angry about this.
"Saves Kings Landing from Stannis." I think you mean stopped the rightful king from taking Kings Landing.
He isn't the rightful king luv
yes he is
@@filmfreakreacts2516 no he isn't. the throne doesn't belong to his house.
I don't need a username Cause I'm a queen Conquerers Law, Robert I Baratheon usurped the Throne, King Stannis the Mannis is the rightful heir
@@filmfreakreacts2516 if the baratheon usurped the throne how can they be rightful?
I'm sure GRRM will give his character justice in The Winds Of Winter.
he will never write it,let's get over it.
@Niranjan Rajesh from the released Winds of Winter chapters, he actually convinced the Second Sons to betray the masters and fight for Daenerys. A war for Meereen begins, with Barristan commanding the Unsullied against the Masters armies, Tyrion and the Second Sons switching sides and attacking the Masters from the inside and Victarion Greyjoy arriving with his ships, all at the same time. It's incredible! And nothing of this happened in season 8.
Tyrion is very lame in the show now. It's as if he's lost all of his natural wit, quick thinking, critical thinking, and tenacity. This is why I just watch the show for kicks, the book characters are so different and more interesting than there show counterparts. Tyrions POV chapters in the books are some of the best, his journey is absolutely harrowing, and the struggles and close brushes with death he overcomes are nothing short of extraordinary. He's one of my favorite ASOIF characters in this saga.
I love how you put this, it's making me want to continue the books since I'm impatient sometimes and I'm having trouble finishing the series bc the books are so long but I really want to continue
Tyrion's diminished to the point where he's the Tom Hagen of the show; not a wartime consigliere.
"Where do whores go?" - Tyrion Lannister
He’ll never be King. They want us to only concentrate on Sansa John Dany and Cersei
It seems in season 7 and 8, tyrion wasn't a good military strategist, especially when came to naval warfare
Completely agree!. The scene between he, Missandei, and Grey Worm in season five was so painful to watch. So cringy #notmytyrion
I thought it was me not understanding
No, definitely not just you!
It’s in season 6, Tyrion was still okay in season 5
whitley purnell miss em so much😢
@@maulydieng6560 he was fine until he became a boot licker with no motives of his own.
When they ran out of books all characters IQ dropped by a landslide
Jon, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys, Jorah, Theon all got deflated. All of the meaningful dialogue is gone.
Instead for female characters like Sansa, Daenerys, Olenna, lady Mormont, Arya "Batman" Stark, Sand Snake, Martell.
@Default Name what do you mean? They ruined every single character on Game of Thrones. Expect for Theon and Cersei.
@Default Name Ew no
@@eddisontollett8845 I so wanted someone to say this, being a woman that just plain annoyed me when they showed the woman almighty and men the weak. Like wtf, we don't need Jon or Tyrion to be dumbed down to prove how smart or powerful Sansa or Dany is. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT ARYA "WOLVERINE" STARK. She annoyed tf outta me. I just wish Cersei had burned them all.
Simple explanation: they ran out of the source material (yes, because they cut a lot)
Tryion thrives as a foil but the writers won't let Danny be wrong about anything.
When they killed Barristan Selmy I lost hope for Dany. He was the one grounding her, giving her good advice.
Come on now...they gotta respect de Waaman
honestly, if all the crap that happened during the last seasons isn't ultimately supposed to set her up as being affected by the targaryen craze, I am done with the show.
@@Hopesfallout I can't wait to taste your salty tears when my girl Dany is sitting on the iron throne lol
@@Hopesfallout oh God no... Shes just going to be perfect
Tyrion is lame NOW because he is a character of a lame show NOW... because without original books that show is nothing
the show is not lame for itself, it's still one of the best produced tv shows of all time. what makes it lame is precisely the characters in it. even the script is coherentely bold with good sentences and the discussion is somewhat interesting, but what does the show so bad is that the characters' personalities are as deep as a coffee spoon
You missed how they toned him down when he killed Shae(now in self defence rather than utter pain and hatred)and is now a spiteful little monster, betrayed by his brother(that hug and goodbye made me so angry when they could have just included a little "Previously on GOT"scene about Tysha)and his entire family and the woman he deluded himself into loving. He strangles Shae with tears on his face when she calls him her nickname for him again and(it's not fully clear)possibly kills his father in self defence when Tywin tries to rise from the privy.In Essos, he acts horribly to people, possibly throwing Aegon/Faegon under the bus by sending him to Westeros early and poisons the slave overseer Nurse. Penny, Jorah's facial maiming, Aegon...so many great plots thrown out the window. Just like Brienne and Stannis and Dorne.
The show took a nose dive after season 4. The only character who keep my interest is Jamie, his story arch was by far the best in the series. John was okay till around season 3 and seeing him bend the knee to danris just ruined him like it did Tyrion. It's like a reoccurring thing at this point for consistent characters to suddenly change their motivations (look at what they did to littlefinger) I hope they don't ruin Jamie
I hated Jamie before the hand chop, but like you, he's the only character that im rooting for right now. Tyrion, Jon and Arya became really boring ungenuine characters.
Ikr the only two people I care about now are Jamie and Sansa... The rest can burn for all I care.... Shame.. Since I loved them all
You my lad, completely jinxed it.
They ruined Jamie.
Can you do this for Arya? Because I feel like Arya gets so much hate, but in the books she's my favourite. She's many people's fave. And I feel terrible for Maisie. She had to tell two grown-ass men, D&D, that flipping around like an idiot after being stabbed is dumb and tone that scene down. Whatever they've turned Arya into, esp. in season 7, is a disrespect and a disgrace.
PurpleBadger
That was a very brave thing for Maisie to have done.
He’s actually made multiple videos explaining why Arya sucks in the show.
I mean compare her to book Arya more/explore book Arya. Cause I keep seeing a lot of hate but not as much about book Arya.
It's the same for Book Dany too, she is arguably the best character in the books but D&D butched her arc . Watching Arya escape and doing backflips was like watching lara croft trying to escape a giant monster in tomb raider. Arya became an arrogant little twat over night, taking on beast like brienna and fighting her to a draw. What a complete joke
The first 4 seasons Arya and Tyrion were the two most popular and loved characters. Now Arya just walks around with that stupid smirk on her face killing everyone. I remember the days when Arya was pure gold every time she was paired with another character. Arya/Ned was gold, same with Arya and Sansa. Arya and Gendry, Arya and Tywin, Jaqen, Syrio, Gendry, Hot Pie and of course the fucking Hound. Hell, even her scene with the terrible actor Kit was amazing. Now the writing is so bad she is trash with everyone else
Tyrion is my favorite character in Game of Thrones and its pretty sad how D&D transformed him from a smart, strategic, and charismatic character into a idle, unclear, and uncharismatic.
I think what you mentioned about Daenerys summarizes everything that has gone wrong with the show in comparison with the books. In the first book, we had 9 POV characters and whilst we lost some, by the seventh we have 31. In the show, we had a similar number in season one, now the three MAIN characters are Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon... that's it, and they are so watered down that it hurts. Daenerys is a Mary Sue if ever I've seen one, Jon is as dull as rocks and it seems like all the show writers saw in Tyrion is "comic relief". As for what they did to my BOY Euron....
Cersi, Jaime, Sansa, Arya, Brienne, The Hound, Samwell, Gilly, Varys & Littlefinger were also main characters.
Most of the characters (besides Cersei, I love her) are lame now.. they all took a backseat to Jon and Dany. They should rename it the Jon and Dany show. Why is podric Payne still alive? He is not important whatsoever. That bothers me.
I love Pod! At least he has room to grow and improve as a character...why is Bronn still alive keeping Lanisters alive? Unless he switches teams, he's far outlasted his usefulness overall! Especially since Jerome Flynn and Lena Heady can't even be in the same scenes together. That crap has gone on too long.
Podrick Payne Should be swinging from a tree right now... Also, Bronn is another character that needs to go
The Disney prince who was promised Jon snow just needs to go
@Musspuss...good one!!!
@@three-eyedbro5850 Agreed , I dislike bronn with a passion, annoying Character now
Besides the overall drop in quality of the writing and some of the even worst casting decisions, the usage of Tyrion after season 5 has been the most disappointing experience for me watching Game of Thrones.
He just doesn’t do anything important anymore. He’s basically been delegated to being a lapdog for Dany or Jon Snow. Which I get why they’re important. But game of thrones was an ensemble series with such a wide cast of characters. By focusing so hard on them over everyone else, it really diminished the rest of the cast and it brought the whole series into a more conventional fantasy realm of clear cut heroes and villains that Martin intentionally wanted to avoid.
And there was no character that was hurt more then Tyrion.
nunouno001 what do you consider bad castings? Just curious.
No one too surprising. Mainly Pilou Asbaek and almost everyone involved in the Dorne plot not named Alexander siddig.
I agree the show has definitely degraded into a more traditional Tolkien style high fantasy but in the show runners defense grrm always set it up to do that with his ice and fire prophecy and the constant threat of the big bad white walkers. Sure it could be done better but I don't see grrm figuring out how to write his ending without falling somewhat into the good vs evil formula. Maybe that's why he's never going to finish the series.
Doran Martell would like to disagree with your last point.
Doran Martell was played by Alexander Siddig who I said was good in my comment.
& yes, hell yes with "DONT TELL ME THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SOURCE MATERIAL!"
To give the Dink his due, Tyrion is the best part of the Mereen storyline.
FINALLY. Someone said it.
This has been one of the most annoying problems I've had with the show, after the Dorne plot. Maybe even before that, since I care more about Tyrion than anyone else.
They did the same to Varys. He's lame now too. And Littlefinger as well.
[ADWD/TWOW Spoiler Alert] I mean, do you remember the Kevan chapter at the end of ADWD? Varys got him and Pycelle killed. That was awesome.
And what Littlefinger is doing in the Vale. Oh. My. God. It's brilliant, and Sansa's chapters there are always an amazing read.
The show could have been so much better, it had the opportunity to make something even better than the books. But nope, they had to ruin it.
the bastardisation of stannis and the nonexistence of young griff are worse
They won best Drama ahead of Westworld. SMH. They show runners are focused on Dan/Jon relationship and giving us a cheesy predictable ending of them ending up together. They've destroyed a lot of characters, not just Tyrion
Am I the only one who read this in Oberyn's voice?
@@garyhill565 haha I did too
They were only interested in propping up Denny. The stronk woman character who they worship and constantly tell you how great a person she is and how she will be better than anyone before.
And then they have to explain to her why she shouldn't burn down Kings landing.
I didn't care for the past few seasons.
Just like Jon Snow I think the deterioration of Tyrion's arc in the show is due to bad writing.
Can we make anime on Game of thrones.... Narrating the exact story as of books?
oh a man can dream
Depends on what kind of animestyle.
Would be epic
Most Anime doesn't even be faithful to their manga though...
I wouldn't be any better than the show itself
Sure, if you're looking to get sued by either Martin or HBO
5:36-5:54
My heart is broken... Poor George... I mean, he seems crushed that they cut things, and they've completely given up on the show, at this point...
"I guess they wanted a life", oh my gosh... That feels like that is the reason for watering down the story so much...
If David Benioff and Dan Weiss were not going to take to see the story through properly like they said they would, WHY the hell did they even sign up for this!? Did those idiots even see how gigantic the books are!? The only book that wasn't out during season 1's production was *A Dance with Dragons* Book 5, but that book is SHORTER than *A Storm of Swords* Book 5!
I hate to call David and Dan idiots, but they are. To tell this story you OBVIOUSLY need to be committed for YEARS! How didn't they know this?
This show now makes me sick, sadly... The earlier seasons were great...but the later are not, in my opinion... It still some nice things going for it...
For me, it doesn't matter if they deviate from the books... The catch is DEVIATE WELL! The changes must be interesting...but I did not find the changes interesting or good in later seasons...
Emma J. Quinn Has
poor George
One thing that stuck out to me during the early seasons is that D&D didn't want the actors to read the books, they flat out told them not to. And the more popular the show got, the more they started to deviate from the source material. Reading their interviews, it's like they thought they were smarter that Martin and that they could tell the story better.
Emma J Quinn.
Good post. You have expressed my own thoughts.
Agreed, in a case where you are producing something faster than the source can keep up with you have 2 choices.
1. Play it out and let the source release more material so you don't run out of writing.
2. Deviate it into an original adaptation so you don't have to wait for more writing material and deliver the story faster.
It's still a great show as a whole, but it could have gone it's own way without becoming incredibly dumb in the process. My guess is that Martin got angry, either at D&D or HBO, and that's why he's no longer working directly in the show. If D&D ruined the story trying to make it look like they could come up with a better story, I think they are in for a hell of a ride. Ultimately it all plays out in Martin's favour though, main goal was to attract more readers to his novels, which was achieved with great success. He can now sit back knowing that his books are set for success and with a much more consistent plot overall than the adaptation. He likely already finished TWoW some time ago and likely will announce printing date soon after the last season finishes airing, that would be a masterful move both in marketing and pure wit. But even in the case that he simply struggled to polish the book enough for printing all this time along, and that we may still need to wait some 10-15 years for the last book, it will still be all worth it.
For real, I was already worn out by season 4 and when they omitted"wherever whores go", I knew I wasn't gonna be as invested anymore. And they replaced his story with... him being Daenarys' ineffectual sidekick.
Yeah Tyrion became bad when the writers didn't have a book to follow.
Since Tyrion was a fan-favourite D&D were absolutely terrified into making him into the Tryrion from book 5, as he's really unpleasant since he's at his lowest point. They don't respect their audience enough to give them a good story. They throw out the shallow plot to appeal to the lowest common denominator and with Tyrion all they succeeded in doing is halt his character development completely. Tyrion in book 5 is going through a catharsis that needs to happen in order for him to develop into the person he will need to be for the coming war with the Others. D&D are too stupid to understand book!Tyrion's character progression, they view him as Saint Tyrion, who has no flaws and has never done anything wrong. Even if they did see his flaws, they don't have the talent to replace his missing arc with something substantial.
Killed the woman he loved, killed his father, and honor's his marriage with Sansa. The old Tyrion is dead and the show is going to end in sorrow.
Well GRRM saw the vision and said its "bittersweet". Bitter in that it will be horrible in quality and sweet because it will have typical happy ending for Jon or Dany.
They have basically ruined my favourite GoT character.
We have extremely popular show and enough material for 4 more seasons.
Show runners: make this season the last, also make it shorter. Hurry up, we should end the show ASAP.
Well they fucked it up a while back. You can't make 4 more seasons after season 7, they would have needed to decide to NOT fuck up the story multiple seasons back with cutting out shit, and more or less planned on making like 12-13 seasons from the onset. Them going off script to write their own shit is what fucked the show and it is the reason they more or less have to end it now. It would be unnatural to drag it out now that it's already been rushed so much, and they also know that their story is shit and want it to end fast before anyone has time to realize how terrible this show has become so their numbers don't go down too much.
Tyrion now is like a Korma compared to the Phaal curry he once was.
But Korma is good...
but it ain't s p i c y
🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏
That's the thing. They think the majority of the audience has no intellect, so they dont really give a shit about story telling.
#NOTMYTYRION needs to be trending on twitter NOW
After season 4 he became one of the most boring character EVER
@Zz Z huh?
Apparently Tyrion’s character is going to be ruined even more in the next season with a love triangle between him, Jon and Daenerys
With that season finale scene, it's difficult to not believe that.
In GRRM’s original outline for he series the love triangle was between Tyrion, Jon, and Arya. Yeah it’s still pretty gross...
ewwww.
No triangle. Dany isn't into him.
Well, I have an OBJECTION about this shit.
yeah I agree about tyrion. And Varys! Did he even have any lines?!!
Khaleesi Nicole
There was a whole scene where Dany was threatening to put him to death for organising an assassination attempt on her in season 1. It was very (ah) memorable.
Khaleesi Nicole and the way they killed off Littefinger. 🧐
Totally agree. Him and many other characters have flatlined without the ASOIAF as a direct source for dialogue.
Tyrion lost his edge after season 4, as did the rest of the show's writing
George, STOP TALKING TO PEOPLE AND FINISHED WINDS OF WINTER! You're killing us man!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about Tyron's character in the show! Dinklage is a great actor, but you can only do so much with poor writing.
Finally someone is saying what I've been thinking since season 6
I like to believe Tyrion is kind of learning from his father's rule. When Tywin was alive and in charge he pretty much did EVERYTHING and look at what happened to Westeros when he died, it all fell to pieces. My fan fiction is he's letting Dany learn on her own and simply advising her so she learns instead of just having someone do everything for her, that way if anything happens to him the entire plan doesn't fall to pieces like it did when Tywin died.
Also it makes sense for him to take a back seat with Dany, when he first shows up he's literally the son of her, former, most powerful enemy Tywin and she's trusted others to take full command before and been betrayed by them. While he's in Essos he tries to kinda rule in her stead, but because of his up bringing does kind of worse then Dany did, as his solution not only annoyed the masters, but it also annoyed Dany's allies and inner circle. Then literally the first thing Tyrion does when they hit Westeros is botch the invasion, lost three of her strongest allies, and she's furious to the point where she tells him to basically shut up, gets on Drogon, and deals with it her way.
The main reason Tyrion had power in the first few seasons is he listens to what people want, and tries to give it to them, which in Westeros is easy, as most people there are motivated by their desires and provided you can figure out what those are and how to help them accomplish them will get you power. In Essos and with Dany he can't really do that, as he has no solution to the slavery issues that Dany's allies want to back, as it doesn't align with their desires. And when it came to invading Westeros, he tried to get her the quick victory she wanted, but underestimated Jaime, I would say Cersi but let's be honest Jamie's the combat brains in House Lannister and is the one who learned the tactics from Robb while Cersi sat in the Red keep crying, and lost the initial invasion battles, and the majority of Dany's allies and armies at that point almost immediately into the war.
So it's not that he's "not interesting" it's that his way of doing things and how he actually gets his power and how he actually accomplishes things don't work with Dany's conquests or desires. Remember she was ousted from her home because some jerkwad had an issue with her brother loving the same girl he did, and the girl choosing rhaegar over robert. I would be pretty pissed and wanting my throne/home back too.
Quinn, how could you say such things? Dan and Dave made the perfect show. Tyrion drinks and he knows things. HE KNOWS THINGS!!!! Game of thrones doesn't need more seasons. Why do we need more story? George is just hating because, because he didn't earn an Emmy and Dan and Dave did. He's hating, because they are superior storytellers. You're hater because you wish the books could be perfect like the show. Just stop hating and love the show Quinn. Love it like the rest of the showthots. LOVE IT!!! - Azor Ahype
This comment deserves 10,000 likes.
is this a joke?
A Don of Ice and firw you can't really troll someone personally for their thoughts. I mean yes, the show sucks and so do D&D. Still, that doesn't mean you go insulting people& worse, in the channel of his fellow youtuber. You hate that, say it in his face
Nikhil Aryal I can assure you I will. And a Hell of a lot more.
@@donwilli well this one does explain a thing or two 'bout ya
lol, Martin's voice cracks me up.
Glad I'm not the only one who always finds is high pitch cracking squeeking voice odd
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!
Simple answer:
GRRM IQ: 240
D&D IQ:100
Jon Snow is worse, I cant stand the character anymore. Such a Gary Stu
Haha he's so one-sided and looks ridiculous running in those high heels.
"She is my queen"
As soon as the storylines diverged greatly from the books, you could tell that D&D have no idea what they are doing. Inconsistent Travel times, people/animals in places they couldn't be, and the worst bit, all the important characters donned Plot Armor in a very visible way. Its like they are in a race to the finish and be damned with consistency or even believability with characters, motivations, or actions.
Looking back now I don't know how I managed to trick myself into not seeing all the problems. How did I not see this complete clusterfrick coming? denial is a hell of a thing!
GOOD GOD, TYRION'S TRIAL IS FUCKING AMAZING. His "confession" speech, his heartbreaking reaction at Shae's backstabbing, everything... I still get goosebumps. Peter Dinklage nailed it, it was definitely one of the absolute best moments of the entire show. And then it all went to shit. I'll never forgive them for what they did to Tyrion and Littlefinger. They were both such intriguing characters, they fucking owned the game and now they've just faded into the background.
I want Audiobooks of the entire ASOIAF read by the character cast when GRRM is done. New casting for cut characters
James Purefoy for Euron Greyjoy.
He's definitely capable of that menacing twinkle in his eyes, and he has the face. He just needs the black hair.
Or Travis Fimmel as Euron and James purefoy at Jaimie Lanister (or Josh Hollowway)
JUST BECAUSE FIMMEL PLAYED A GREAT RAGNAR DOESNT MEAN HE NEEDS TO BE ROLE CAST AS VIKING EVERYWHERE XDDD
Lol true, and actually seeing what they did with this character, I'm glad he didnt played him.
His voice would be great for an audiobook version of Euron, but I don't think Fimmel wants to be "the guy that always plays vikings" xD
My most favorite character became useless.
All your videos about the show are very therapeutic to me now, thank you!
You're wonderful! Love the content.
Totally agree with your video. He really isn't that great a character in the show now. He's got plenty of flaws, and there were unlikeable aspects to Book Tyrion, but that's what makes him a well developed character. He's got good and bad traits and is a very flawed human being in some ways and great at other things.
It's not just a mere nitipick about a few things that happened in the show. It's also not a case of book fans who can't deal with the adaptation process. In fact there are plenty of people that are show only viewers (I know because many of my co-workers have never read the books) have also criticized things about the TV show despite the fact we all still enjoy it overall and can't wait to see the final season. It's just inconsistent writing ability on the part of the showrunners. They also don't know how to write scheming characters because there are things that Littlefinger does in Season 5 onwards that makes no damn sense. This on top of the internalized misogyny written into some of the female characters on the show (i.e. Arya & Lyanna Mormont). So yeah I also call BS on the idea that the problem with Tyrion stems from wanting to make Daenerys better for feminist reasons.
He started off as my favorite character...
The way Charles Dance delivers his speech and becomes just a bit emotional in his voice as he says "that was my fathers sigil and his father before him" What an actor !!!
12 seasons of Game of Thrones.
Brings a tear to my eye.
I was shocked he won the Emmy over NCW for a second time...just goes to show these award shows are pure 💩 I’m not saying he’s a bad actor but season 7 was his absolute WORST performance ever...ughhhh
Steph Snow.
Goes to show that the people who've been saying that the Emmies have become worthless are right. I don't think I'd have given any awards to season 7 but if you wanted to do that Lena or Nicolai should have been awarded.
@alan Pennie I agree 100%
Maybe they gave it to him this season because they regretted not giving it to him in previous seasons. I can’t think of any other logical explanation.
It wasn't even a bad performance, there was just nothing to act to...
@@armedraptor5114
Absolutely. Tyrion was just sort of there this season. Even his reunion with Cersei, great though it was, didn't really relate to anything else that was happening.
It was very obvious when they ran out of source material and had to wing it.
"I don't like to have my intelligence insulted"
This quote is going right in my book of great quotes, along with quite a few quotes from book Tyrion.
These are very good points. I like your even handed perspective. I enjoy all your videos ands your confidence to speak your honest insights in this day and age.
it gets worse... (today is the premiere of episode 5)
8:45 I don't think you know how balloons work haha
No time to write interesting and compelline scenes or dialogue for Tyrion. That time and energy can be better spent dedicated to YAAAAAASSSS QUEEN!
You don't have to hold back Quinn, you can tell us what you really think 🤣 ... Seriously though, enjoyed the video, oh and you had several quotable rants in there that were just awesome 😁 I audibly busted out laughing several times as you slammed D and D 😂 I loved it!
I'm also from the future and you were right from the start. In s7 and s8 it's even worse.
You can say this for every character really, but I still appreciate the rant and call out
You know you’ve fallen out of love with Tyrion when he takes a sip of wine and you go ‘awwwwwwwwww memories...
That speech at that trial was NICE. Love that one.😲