Traditional Grip vs Match Grip On
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2024
- I know it’s a hard truth… and I’m not trying to trigger anyone that plays that way… I play that way myself.
As far as your comment, the & index and middle fingers are not always at play in traditional… whereas in match grip, ALL of your fingers are at play, 99% of the time.
Although traditional is a beautiful style that has its own unique feelings, it does offer huge technique handicaps to overcome… these handicaps just don’t exist in match grip.
It doesn’t mean that traditional is a bad or wrong way to play… and these handicaps can be overcome.. but they are definitely there.
As far as “caressing” … that might feel like it comes more naturally in the cradle position. But that’s simply because you have less control… ergo you are using fewer muscles to manipulate the stick. That’s not necessarily a benefit.
And that same level of caress can be developed and is used by matched grip drummers all over the place... Bill Stewart, Benny Greb, Gary Novak, Mark Guiliana, etc… the answer comes down to practice. And the truth is… you will get there faster if you use match grip.
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"Traditional" grip was invented for one reason adn one reason only - the marching strap for drummers covered the left side/shoulder and had to be reached through to play the drum, hence the weird left hand grip that put only the stick through to gap to leave room enough to play. If that grip was superior, they would've used it for both hands. It isn't and is literally nothing more than a relic of a bygone era.
Just learn both. Boggles my mind that people don’t. It all reinforces one another.
Traditional grip players should play open handed lol. YES I learned traditional, it's a cool thing to learn but it bizarre. Steve Gadd we ALL love the dood, but lol his left shoulder dipping like he has a 25 lb weight on it is ridiculous, worse posture ever in the human race when there's no need to play like God made you crooked. 99% of ALL traditional players -- look at they're left shoulder, their body is reacting to an un natural grip/position, that's why their L shoulder is lower than their R shoulder. Match is natural, traditional is
Even Weckl implied he would play matched if he was to do it over but said he isn't going change at this point in life.
I’m an intermediate rock drummer who recently got to that age where I like jazz. I thought it’d be cool to try traditional grip just for fun. After only a few weeks my singles were faster and cleaner than match grip. I had literally never used it before but it felt really natural. I think it might be because I use my thumbs a lot when I’m ADHD finger drumming, which mimics the “opening the door” motion. So perhaps it’s still worth trying for a bit even if match grip is theoretically the better technique.
I just don’t get why you’d hold one hand to a different standard than your other hand 🤔 If they believe the traditional grip was a superior technique then why not implement it in both hands?.
agreee ... am a huge fan of Gary Novak , i was crazy into Weckl and Moeller since the age 15 to 24 but then i met Gary Novak few times at the gigs in Europe and i simply love how he doesn´t care about perfection and simply sits and play everyting with the greatest finnesse and looseness ... so i change my set into the small 50´s jazz kit (into horizontal, flat angle) and since then i play only match (playing mostly with the bottom part of the stick - in Gary´s or Gadd way) ... it´s simply fulller, fatter sound ... and i don´t care how it looks, to me it sounds better
It was a subtle difference for me, but playing traditional grip versus match grip introduced a different touch to my playing. I would do completely different things with one grip over the other.
This discussion will go on well after I pass .
I don't think either grip is superior to the other. I think matched grip is great for a lot of music, and traditional is great for a lot of music, too. I started out playing matched, then started playing around with snare placement, and found that the old canted angles that Big Band guys played at just sounded better and required less effort to play at, since you were using gravity instead of fighting against it. This required learning traditional grip in order to play at those angles, and I developed a completely new playing technique in the process. I don't shun anyone for playing either, and I think matched grip will get you 90% of the way through. Traditional grip is there for the other 10%.
I play both. I will say traditional grip is a bit ergonomically better, as there isn’t as much strain on my shoulder when I hit the floor tom with my left hand and I don’t have to turn as much, but there admittedly isn’t much strain in the first place. I don’t find traditional grip to be a handicap, but if you do, please stick with matched grip. As my chemistry teacher always said, the right method is the one that gets the right answer.
Match grip offers handicaps in several genres, including jazz - plus, with traditional grip, there is less stick in the way as you move around the kit in quick, cross directions - the stick is more 'out of the way," which works better than matched grip for some things.
From a rudimental perspective - when you focus on sound quality, aka having equal resonance, control, and velocity through both sticks, matched grip gets you there objectively faster 1000%. That is why in the modern marching band scene were are seeing an increase in matched grip playing for high schoolers. The reason DCI-level snares play traditional grip on flat? Purely for aesthetic purposes (stick tricks) and a greater level of challenge. That's it.
Great explanation, you have it right. Many will say, "oh, but with jazz, you can get all those little subtleties and ghost notes with traditional grip", but you can do the same and more with matched. I think there is a snobbishness with using traditional grip and a lot of players who learned it either group up in that era when it was common, or decided to learn it with the hopes it would make them better. I think they try to convince themselves that it's so much better.
A hard truth...? Eh. I'm a mostly matched guy but I've found that trad lefty grip is good/better for certain things. It is true that trad doesn't get much out of the back fingers, but in place of that it gains the strength of the thumb and make more of the rotation of the forearm, if needed. I also have left hand grip problems sometimes with matched that I never have with trad. It's also just different for certain things - like backbeats. Due to stick angle and motion, the timing of backbeats has a bit of a natural push for me with traditional, which is cool when I want that. Open-hand style would be funky with traditional, although if I wanted to do much of that I'd lower the hi hat anyway, which would help.
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One thing that is also a fact is that traditional grip allows you to change the angle of the stick in relation to the drum in ways that match grip cannot replicate without extreme discomfort. These angles generally give a different tone from the drums especially when comping. Matched grip is also slightly less intuitive for whipping strokes because your wrist cannot as easily lead the arm upwards. Where traditional grip, it is more natural to let your wrist lead the arm up granting you easier access to a heavy accent right from a tap quickly. And yes I have played and studied both grips. Match grip is generally an easier more versatile style but certainly still has its drawbacks
If there are more small muscles learning control such as your other fingers then matched is way better. You’re using too much energy on your index when you can spread the load to the ring and middle, maybe even the pinky to reduce sprain to the tendons.
If both hands are the same (physiologically) why are the grips not the same?
Traditional angle on Non traditional angle, never understood the science behind this one😊