How DNA technology led to murder charges - nearly 40 years later - The Fifth Estate
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2022
- For decades, Toronto police tried to figure out who raped and killed two women mere months apart in 1983. To the family of one of them, he seemed like a ghost who had disappeared, leaving no clues. But he did leave DNA, finally leading to an arrest nearly 40 years later. The Fifth Estate takes you inside the remarkable search for a suspect.
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DECEMBER 1, 2022
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My Mom was murdered. It's a cold case. My heart goes out to the two brothers. There's no such thing as closure but justice is important.
I am so sorry. I know you will get to experience the same justice too soon.
I'm very sorry that happened and I pray to the good Lord you will receive the Justice you're seeking there is hope now because of the advancements in DNA technology I also pray that you can have peace in your heart just know you're not alone there are many people that care and hope the best for you
i bet it was a former lover
I’m really sorry-that’s gotta be hard.
Attending the dbl funeral for a murdered couple was awful but the media pack outside makes it a stranger situation
So sorry Karen
How many horrid criminals got nervous and sweaty when DNA technology started solving decades old crimes. No one was even dreaming of this in the 80s. Sci-fi, futuristic. What a wonderful thing.
Or the 70s, I've seen a few murders from the 60s and 70s solved from 🧬 dna in the late 90s
Exactly!! I am glad that DNA catches them.
Image what new technology will be able solve in 100 years.
It’s one of only a few technologies I’m grateful for.
I think the first person was Colin Pitchfork in 1986
I love what her brother said, "It's an answer, but not closure." That's absolutely true!!!
I am so happy for the brothers, imagine 39 years of looking at everyone suspiciously.
It wasn't pigs, it was science
@@thebeasters I think you responded to the wrong comment
I know! How crimes affect victim's loved ones forever isn't often the focus. I guess you end up in a very different life than you were living before.
@@voyaristika5673 it's like loosing part of your soul,
@@TeeKoon No, it's losing. Not loose.
The Fifth Estate is one of the few shows on CBC worth watching!
Beware. "Dateline" and others like it in the USA started out well but have devolved into only "crime already solved, narrated slowly to stretch it to a full hour (with many commercials)". It's bad but successful such that "60 Minutes" (a program that remains good in Australia) has followed "Dateline" down the sewer and completely ignored corporate crime to again; discuss cases where someone is already in prison. The point is; It distracts the public.
How do you NOT call police or go check it out after hearing a woman scream 4 times!? Shame on them......
Shame
I agree!
That was my thoughts. Especially after you hear someone walking by.
My thought too!
Because people assume someone else has done it or will do it.
This is the quality of CBC content I grew up with. This is The Fifth Estate ACTUALLY being the fifth estate. You continue to be a beacon of light in a rapidly dimming quality of actual news from our national broadcaster. And.. kudos to the TPD for bringing closure to the families...
Agree 100%.
The Fifth Estate is one of the few shows on our state broadcaster that isn’t an absolute embarrassment.
@@ShaunsCollectibles I actually took pride in our programming in a home boy sort of way. My disillusionment was slow and painful and it is now complete. 🍁
@@robbpowell194 The National is completely unwatchable. It’s become the propaganda arm of the Liberal Party of Canada.
I get you, it wasn’t always like this, but I don’t see how the CBC can be reformed.
@@ShaunsCollectibles ✔
I love the Fifth Estate. We used to have some good investigative programs like Dateline in the USA, but most have gone completely downhill in objectivity and now too sensationalistic and just dreadful to watch altogether.
I lost a child to a drunk driver so I know pain but I can not imagine the pain of knowing that a family member has been taken in this horrific fashion and not knowing who the killer is. We all need a brother like this!!!
IDK how parents survive the loss of a child, I'm not sure I could. I've seen quite a few young people/ child cases lately eg Gannon Stauch & Moscow idaho, and I'm baffled by
I'm so sorry. Hugs.
Sending you love.
I can't image how you managed your pain
I'm so sorry for your loss. What a tragedy.
That photo of the killer when he is young is so disturbing. He looks as light hearted and innocent as the victim's photos. As if he's just a happy person with no darkness instead of a cold blooded killer. What a waste of their lives.
I'm so happy for you guys. I have a protective older sister. She has been a pillar in my 64 years on this earth. She looms large in my life even today. Hearing you talk about Erin, my Debbie comes to mind. I know Erin would be so proud of you three. Your family is beautiful. Handsome men.
How does a person so heartless not have a criminal record. These two were his only victims? That's the most frightening thing of all, the most ordinary people are capable of the most heinous of crimes
That is the thing that is so disturbing to me
@@gabrielleandrew542 extremely disturbing like is he connected to other crimes petty or henious or was this his two thrill kills and decided just gonna move on with his life....just mind boggling for someone to do that and just live life for 4 decades
it only means he wasn't caught, it doesn't mean anything else
He's not exactly ordinary.
It's possible he has committed other crimes where DNA wasn't found
A neighbor heard 4 screams at 1:30 am and didn’t call the police?
I don't know if I could be a homicide detective but those of you who choose this profession, my respect and reverence to you. Thank you for bringing criminals to justice and closure to loved ones.
I love hearing about crimes solved w Genetic Genealogy! If I were a young person, I’d want to go into this field for sure! Let ALL crimes be solved!
We can contribute by uploading our DNA onto sites such as Gedmatch.
This is a Time of Cold Case Revolution. Thanks to the Science and Thanks to Internet.
Anyone can get into genetic genealogy ;)
You can do it as a hobby.
Me too if I were younger I would love to investigate the cold cases
One of the original genetic forensic genealogists started her career in this field after she retired from a career as a patent attorney & is still going strong a decade later -- Barbara Rae-Ventner!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Rae-Venter
High marks to Erin's family, and to the detectives of the Toronto police service, for never giving up.
It is so heart-wrenching what happened to these women 40 years ago. That the police never gave up is wonderful and the brothers never gave up seeking the answer. It took 40 years but the killer was found. God Bless these families
Lot of applaud and huge appreciations for Toronto police and fifth estate. So happy that finally the murderer is arrested.
The Toronto police did not solve the case. A lab in Texas did and then taught them about genetic DNA.
@@laikanbarth thanks for update. But it is always a collective effort by different departments.
My greatest respect for the police officers who never gave up. Salute from Germany, Sirs!
It wasn't pigs, it was science
Merry 🎄 Christmas to you in Germany!🐾🌈☮️🇨🇦
@@thebeasters You could be a little less rude and alot more accurate. Absolutely science won the day, but DNA doesn't walk out of the lab by itself, it needs humans to do the foot work & investigating.🇨🇦
Absolutely, what would society do without them.?!
.. oh wait I know... we'd be in trouble or even worse
Canada here !!! 😘🤗
A Merry Christmas N a very Happy New Year 2023 to each and everyone of YOU
so sad some of these murderers were able to live many years of their life free
Hello Marla! Can I ask you a question?
I'm very glad to see these families receive some measure of justice after all the years. As someone who had three family members murdered 44 years ago, with no arrests in all that time, I completely understand their pain and suffering.
I have no words...
I know it’s still unlikely, but with the advances in forensics recently, I truly hope that someday you get answers if nothing else.
Sorry for your family's loss. That must still be devastating, even after so much time. Maybe these advancements can give you and your loved ones some justice soon.☮️
How awful for you.
I’m so sorry
The pain of the loss of their sister from the three siblings is deeply palpable. A heartbreaking loss. Glad the perpetrator was finally brought to Justice.
Not yet we'll see
Not only is it amazing that genealogy is assisting in solving so many cold cases, but to give credit where it is due, to those investigators that so many years ago, had the foresight to gather evidence in the hope that one day the technology would catch up.
Unfortunately that is not the situation with all cold cases, however I am pleasantly surprised how often it does.
I am so pleased for the families, and hopefully now the souls of the deceased can be at full rest. 🕊
Kudos to families who share their DNA so that crimes can be solved.
@@Pippi-Longstocking Absolutely, without them the other side of the equation would be left vacant, nothing to match to the DNA.
There has to be DNA evidence. As long as that is present and confirmed as being from a perpetrator, then all cold cases could potentially be solved.
@@sandrabentley8111 There have to be family members trying to find all their relatives, too, or there would be not DNA matches on what? GEDmatch?
Goosebumps and tears. ❤️ Thank you to the multitude of people involved in bringing these cases to this point, and thank you CBC for this production. ❤️
Kudos to TPS Officers who worked on the case. "The Professionals"!
Although I am in US, I so enjoy this program- y’all do a great job!
Thanks also to that Texas lab that reached out to Toronto detectives to crack this case.Great teamwork!
👍👍👍😁
So good to see that the brother never gave up. People would have let go of this situation but glad it worked in their favor
I have to wonder how many women and girls this monster has "disappeared without a trace" in his lifetime.
Seeing the killer carry a wide smile after all that he did is so haunting my goodness 😢
The brothers’ countenances before the murderer was found and after is so beautiful and so healing. ❤
I wish I had a brother who cared half so much about me. Glad he finally had some small degree of justice.
I live in Puerto Rico. I love this show. Hope that one day, this technology be used for cold cases here. I admire the absolute dedication of all cold cases detectives. These two families needed justice. At last, after so many years of waiting, it has arrived. May both both families find peace in their hearts. May both victims finally rest in peace.
Tons of rogue dna floating around out there in puerto rico
Is the DNA technology not used in Puerto Rico yet?
I am bewildered by that?
@@SweetChicagoGator Yes, the "normal" type of DNA testing and profiling is done here but the other much more advanced DNA technology test as portrayed in this case/video has yet to be used here as of December, 2022.
There’s some cases where I live such as a John Doe who was super young beaten to death floating in a river
Rest in peace if as Jesus told Nicodemus '' You must be born again to enter heaven''. Turn to Him.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR A WOMAN SCREAMING YOU CALL POLICE ISNT THAT A MENTALLY SOLID PERSONS NORMAL REACTION? WHY NOT CALL POLICE?
People don't want to get involved.
I do!
The pain is unbearable, what a great loss, what a loving family. DNA cannot bring people back, but it can at least put some perpetrators behind bars.
I should stop smoking, spitting and the like, I don't want my DNA to be at a place where maybe later a body is left. Other than that, yeah sure great for the family to know who did it and put these people behind bars.
@@nlx78 I wonder what the likelihood of that ever happening would be. I guess it depends on where and with who you surround yourself.
@@endless3cho are you blaming the victim?
Ww
Q 2s
I'm just surprised that the Fifth Estate, given that it is a CBC production, hasn't disabled the comment section. Perhaps it is because this is a feel good story. Regardless, much respect to the detectives involved in solving this cold case, and I hope the family can finally begin the healing process. 🙏
"We are coming"...love.that line from the detective...it's a wonderful thought to know killers are out there worried about that knock on their door..makes me almost giddy thinking about it
Proof that dedicated officiers make a difference. Technology is truly remarkable! Wishing to send the families healing prayers and comforting hugs.
The Fifth Estate is the BEST!
Omg such a heartbreaking story. The brothers 💔 had me in tears, their love and dedication to their sister is incredible. Huge respect to them, the family, and investigators... Your courage and tenacity is admirable 🙏 deep respect. You did it, good overruled! 🌹
Some people will do anything for family, others treat family members like dirt.
Finally, Susan Tice and Erin Gilmore got justice as well as their families. The perpetrator was caught after 39 years which is a long time waiting for the families having a murderer roaming free. DNA and the Genealogy science are good tools now to apprehend criminals. And as time goes by, there will be more advanced science and technology to apprehend criminals quicker .
The good thing too is we can use the same tech to catch more current criminals now. No more getting 39 years to wait around. Justice always waits when necessary, but now it can pounce!
So this guy has roamed free for almost 40 years and he gets a media ban on information that could lead to other crimes he's committed? He will never have to feel the pain and horror he perpetrated on his victims. His rights as a cold blooded murderer should never, ever be allowed to interfere IN ANY WAY with this or any investigation he may be involved in. The families have suffered enough.
Agree. Update, he has pleaded guilty on the 5th October 2023 and his sentence for the two murders is expected on December 14 2023.
@@angelkotilainenwoah. Hope he gets to spend the rest of his life behind bars
Thank you@@angelkotilainen
@@angelkotilainen Any further updates since December 14, 2023?
It’s probably to protect otter members of his family after all this time. The lack of a media ban led to Bernardo victims going through unnecessary suffering.
A media ban doesn’t mean there aren’t investigations. The name is known so anyone who has had information was able to come forward.
"He was like a ghost with the gravity of the situation weighing on him."
No. He's a sociopath with no conscience who posts on social media about how great his life is.
I can't imagine having to live with this tragedy. I'm happy for this family. But now trying to convict this person is still a long way off. I hope there is a total completion and conviction of this guy.
Powerful and so encouraging for everyone who is waiting and needing closure on these senseless crimes that rob families of a normal life while waiting for justice to be done. Thank you for never giving up.
Sean and Kaelin, you are loyal and loving brothers, you have carried a heavy burden for 40+ years to ensure justice for your sister Erin, I wish you rest and peace.
Her brothers are Sean and Kaelin.
From Canada eh eh eh eh eh
He is the best reporter!!!!’ I really feel he has he’s heart in every report he does
Thank yoi
Yes indeed.
Agreed.
I’m expecting so many more cases to be closed through genetic genealogy! I’m so happy for these families finally finding peace!!
It’s hard to believe that he murdered only 2 women.
@R Voit Oh good grief. That’s not what she meant and you know it. 🙄
I thought the same thing
12 murders
God Bless Our Police officer s......Thank you for your bravery
Genealogy is really cool and its solving a lot of crimes and unknown people. I'm happy this family finally got justice
I am so glad for your family to finally get the answers you've been yearning for. To many years go by with nothing.
Ruth Haught Too* many
@youtuber as I recall *too means also. I'm picky too. Therefore I think I'm right.
@@ruthhaught4296 yeah but not "to* many" as you stated. So it's wrong.
@@stfuplsok thanks that does sound familiar.
Thank you for acknowledging by name, in the ‘more’ information, the numerous individuals involved in the final resolution of this 40yr-old intricate puzzle. Only with their perseverance and never-say-never attitudes was this possible.
Hello Mary! Can I ask you a question?
I'm so happy this and the other family will finally have some closure. Now may justice prevail.Thank you to the wonderful lab techs and officers who never gave up.God bless you all.
If you were wondering what happened to Calvin Hoover, according to Google he took his own life at his home in Port Hope, Ont., in 2015.
Excellent documentary making. Such a poignant journey for these poor families. Thanks Fifth Estate-2nd to none in your genre.
🙏 Thank You So Much for the Toronto Investigating Officers & the DNA Teams in these cases for their dedication & sacrifices to finally solved the murders of Erin & Susan & gave the respective families their Justice & Closures ... 🙏 🌍🕊🇨🇦
I gotta say, when I saw the evidence room at 4:20 and those orange, perfectly labeled rows of boxes, I just knew that a couple of ladies had done that. Awhh, the unsung heros of law enforcement . . . . .
Yes. The unsung heroes of law enforcement…..greetings from Sweden
What, the neighbors heard multiple screams then someone passing by and didn't call the police. I don't get it.
Tears .. tears of joy .. tears of sadness .. tears for for the victims and for all of those who have had to suffer this same horrible fate.😥
Hello Linda! Can I ask you a question?
Truth always comes to light. My heart goes out to the family that had to endure time of not knowing. I hope you find some peace now. So sorry for your loss. 🙏
"Truth always comes to light" Unfortunately I dare to say it doesn´t. This case was exceptional. There are hundrets of thousands of people missing in US as we speak. Many will be found, in a way or another, but many won´t. Praise the science, do not try to prevent its development. It works, unlike some other "methods".
Not always. How many unsolved murders were committed by strangers who kept their secrets to the grave?
@@notpurrfect6397 thank you! Truth rarely come to light….good this family has some type of closure.
You two brothers are so inspiring and wonderful. You have made a huge and positive difference in my life. You will never know.
The coverage of your content is super important. Thank you for all you do to make this channel possible.🧡🙏
At least this guy wasn’t dead and will pay for his crimes
The brothers testimony made me cry 😢 😭Although he is an adult now, it's so sad to hear a child's point of view
AS USUAL, Hooray for SCIENCE!
So sorry for your loss. Now justice can be done!
Outstanding work by the Boys in Blue....and the brothers who never surrendered!
@R Voit ....Who were also part of the police force....duh.....
Love how Genetic Geneology is working to solve old cases...
I just hope laws don’t get changed to prevent it. While I totally agree with privacy, apparently European privacy laws don’t allow genetic genealogy from being used to solve cases. I’d hate for that to be the case in North America
Kudos to the dedication and commitment of LE to close these cold cases.
Heart breaking, love and light to the families.
So refreshing and unusual to hear the comment that the family was too upset to be interviewed. Bless them.
I am not related to this family but I felt their pain deeply.
Finally justice for Erin & her family. Thank you to both of the detectives in charge of this case. Erin an Angel, your heavenly soul can rest at peace. Sean, thank you for keeping Erin's name alive. I am so sorry for the loss of your sister. 💔
Saundra, and its sad the mommqa passed before this .
My friend was murdered in Hamilton in 1982...cold case...
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Such great journalism as always
And this is the perfect example of why police should keep any and all evidence from unsolved murders or disappearances
And have procedures in place so it doesn't inadvertently get "lost" as happens over and over again especially in Australia.
Excellent police work and excellent presentation thank you
Othram , Nonolabs and Genetic phenotyping ( getting a physical image of their facial features from available DNA) have been essential in solving many, many cases now. Nanolabs even has some of the cases on their website. Well done to all those that helped to solve these cases.
Rest in peace Erin , may your soul fly free of this world of evil .
The brother that never gave up he's the best brother a girl could ever have God bless him ❤️ 🙏
Two brothers
"Advances in science" by a genius British scientist. Well done Alec Jeffries. You changed crime investigation forever. 👏 #GeneticFingerprinting #DNAProfiling
I commend the police for their tanacity and evidence management over so many years.
Hello Henrietta! Can I ask you a question?
Thank you for sharing this touching story and working hard to find the killer. I can't imagine living with that, his family must be in shock, I am certain the families who lost their loved ones have a piece of closure now, it does seem like he turned his life around but my God how could you live with yourself or look at your wife and children in the eye. I hope everyone can find Peace who lost a loved one and I hope there are no other victims, so sad.
Yet another level of devastation - for his own family...
I know! Can you imagine to find out your dad murdered?
I hope the monster's children tell him what a piece of human garbage he is for ruining all these lives. May his stay in prison be miserable.
This brings hope to so many long-grieving families. To have this closure is a definite relief.
It gets so tiring hearing how far our justice system goes to protect criminals. Im so glad DNA broke this open!
The quality of this recording is superb. Kudos to camera-work!
What a devoted brother/s and Investigative team!
I hope that one day someone will write a book about this case that will be as compelling as the book about the Golden State Killer was- "I'll Be Gone in the Dark- The Hunt for the Golden State Killer" by Michelle McNamara (2018). The uses and abuses of public shared ancestry web sites is always open to discussion. But, equally as compelling, are the advances in the research of DNA technology. Los Angeles alone has 10,000! unsolved cold cases. We have 700 cases here in Ontario. Could Christine Jessop's killer have been found earlier? Would the killer of Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice in 1983 have been brought to justice earlier? I was planning to move to Toronto in 1984, and the rapes and murders of single women in some of my old stomping grounds in 1983 really gave me pause for thought! We are never going to be able to totally eliminate these types of crimes. But, DNA technology can give us the tools to better identify suspects. This reporting by The Fifth Estate was very well done.
UNIMAGINABLE PAIN THIS FAMILY HAS ENDURED BY THE HANDS OF A KILLER!! GOD BLESS THIS FAMILY.
The brothers 😍😍😍all of them are devoted to finding justice for their sisters..even after 39 yrs..that's extraordinary love...❤❤
the neighbour who heard the screams did nothing!
Didn't even call out, call the police...absolutely diddly squat.
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash
amazing,i am kinda in a similar situation,how did you handle it?
@@peterwilliams6361 well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer
@@DavidVelasquez9 please how can i get in touch with the spiritual adviser?
@@peterwilliams6361 her name is SHELLY RENEE WHITE ,and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster
you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.
To hear the loving brother first hearing of the news ,The loss of her still unsettling, the culprit can’t turn the corner and walk away anymore , retraced to the evidence , Erin would say , sleep now little brother.
I agree.
i hope every rapist who hasn't been caught YET are all losing a LOT of sleep.
In case anyone wants an update, the suspect recently plead guilty to the charges. He will be sentenced in December.
A well put together documentary, thank you.
Wow. SO glad, SO thankful & joyous over this! This family, her family, needs some rest & peace. I really feel for them. Also I know how it is to have an event, a tragic event, shape the rest of your life. Peace and comfort to them 💕💕💕
Many many thanks to the detectives you're true heros!
Lastly, I hope he gets the death sentence. No more generations of criminals in society, get rid of them for good, get them out!
Elizabeth Jarvie *heroes
I'm so sorry for your loss. That close to the holidays is awfully terrible. A loss in our own family, just before Thanksgiving hurts us every year. Your case has a criminal. Ours was a surgery, failure in recovery. Not the same thing, I know. Very sorry for your loss.
Hello Patricia! Can I ask you a question?
What wonderful brothers Erin had. True love.
I love these cold cases being solved by forensic genealogy all over the world. Killers still alive, should be very nervous!
Brilliant investigative work!
Glad he’s found, but so sorry for the long time it took and what she went through, and her families,
excellent work from everyone involved.
What an incredible story and very emotional times!!! I cried with these family’s
Hello rosay! Can I ask you a question?