Hey. Not knocking the point about steroids, just making an observation. The steroid lady lost to technique, not strength. She was using strength, while the guy was using joint control. Why it looked so easy.
Hey Birdman, the outro instrumental sounded like Polyphia or Chon. When I Shazamed it I got some artist named WalaKalala, but after I listened to that song he raps over parts that in your outro didn't have lyrics. So I definitely feel like Shazam betrayed me here. Can you tell me what the outro music was from please?
Th3Birdman i just gotta tell you that your videos are chefs kiss. Also a Death Battle fan I see should have known(green lantern). Also quick question from Marvel side you got to pick your dream team of 4 but no big scale reality warpers only small. Hopefully you see this. Love ya
Love the content birdman clearly Jeremy has no idea that we are yet to understand how humans evolved to swim and how we adapted to have a lare of fat that makes us boiant the fact there are a people that can hold there breath for 30 minuets is baffling compeared to the avrage
Exactly, and it's meant to set up Shuri's character arc. Not only that, news of the King's death leads to mercenaries trying to steal vibranium, which leads into a conflict with the Queen showing the United Nations that they aren't defenseless without the Black Panther
Immediately from the jump “they gave (Chadwick) a movie funeral that allowed fans to partake” THIS!!! I was bawling in that theater it was closest thing I got to viewing a memorial for him, and I beseech any Jeremy to say that we, the audience, didn’t deserve a moment to memorialize both the character of T’Challa and the actor Chadwick.
Bro even if you're not from that culture or community there are still some universal elements that are present even in cultures that are an ocean or continent away. Hell, even traditions such as funerals can be different like in some peoples telling jokes and singing high-spirited songs rather than woefully singing "Danny Boy" addressing the sadness of losing someone is still understandable. (eg. John McCain's funeral and Aretha Franklin's funeral) Sometimes you need to let the jokes take time to sink in rather than have impatience ruin the moment. That's kind of why I stopped watching Cinemasins and started watching Th3Birdman.
Also Shuri dawning the suit out of revenge has been a running pattern in the movies T'Challa's first dawning of his suit that we see is to kill Bucky because of the death of his father in Civil War Kilmonger dawns the suit lut of revenge for his ancestors in Black Panther And Shuri does it here for revenge of the deah of her mother It's a pattern i noticed that whenever you dawn the Black Panther suit the death of a loved one is bound to follow
Shuri's vengeance is increased because Namor is the first person she's been vulnerable with intimately since her brother's loss and the same man who gave something precious from his mother and they shared a joke about being queen comes and takes her mother from her. That deepens the betrayal to say the least.
this comment right here. in just 1 film, she lost her brother, and during the time the entire world was wondering if she was going to take the role of queen, isolated herself from the world, namor, all of a sudden interrupts a deep conversation between her and her mother, pressured and forced to find a girl that even NATIONS want interest in, almost died by a water bomb and went unconscious, waking up thinking okoye drowned, forced to be kidnapped to protect riri, and like you said, he was the first person shuri felt comfortable to talk about what happened, but then it is completed ruined by namor mentioning an alliance to team up against the world and also killing riri, even though if she joins namor, people won't think of her as a hero anymore- her nation worrying about her, gets held by a knife when nakia is saving her, her trying to save the girl was a trauma response to her trying to save t'challa, her returning back to her nation only to see the city being destroyed, her people dying in the process, and her mother, her last family member (at the time) DIED while trying to save her new friend. the same guy who also killed her mother is the same person that she opened up too and the only person she thought she could trust, also pressured her AGAIN by saying wakanda has a week to turn themselves over or they die and saying that she is potentially queen now, she is also the only person that has to save her nation, no one else. and that man literally said "she's putting her emotions first". this is just in 1 film, that's not even adding up the trauma she experienced in black panther, and infinity war.
*A villain uses chemical warfare and gases civilians* "wow, this is kind off uncomfortable, gassing people is illegal" Yes you idiot, that's why they are a villain. And in movie scope, as birdman says, forcing the enemy to jump off into the ocean is effectively no different than shooting them in the face while unarmed. Both happen a lot in movies, but it's only a problem when you are uncomfortable with it
To add to that, just because you're uncomfortable with something isn't BAD OR SIN WORTHY. Plenty of stuff is designed to make us uncomfortable and empathise one way or the other with the characters
This really annoys me, like I've seen people go "Well, the villain didn't say a Slur, because they're not a monster." I get that slurs are bad, but what world do we live in where cursing someone or saying something rude is worse than literal murder.
Who else felt extremely irritated about the way Jeremy butchered Shuri's name? Because I did. It's like he was trying to say Sharice, but cut himself off, while simultaneously trying to hold in a sneeze.
it was really annoying almost immediately and it's true, how does he mispronounce it so wrong when she's been a character for decades and has been in the mcu since 2016 and is the protagonist of this entire movie
Thank you! There's so many things Cinesins doesn't understand and one is the cultural context of movies. The fact they didn't get the jokes in wakanda forever underpins why we need more people analysing films from different backgrounds. Keep up the good stuff!
I would repectfully disagree. I think it’s important that people accross cultural boundaries understand each other, and this includes things like people critiquing a movie, even if it includes a depiction of another culture. Of cource there should be some response to the criticisms, but idea of “this person doesn’t understand the cultural, therefore they shouldn’t offer communtary” is, in my opinion, dangerous grounds for alienation of cultures. Like, I’m watching this movie to get a better or different view of a certain culture or group. I would love it if that group were to change my perspective on that movie or other piece of media.
For example, I think it’s more culturally illuminating when TheBirdman criticises CinemaSins for not understanding the jokes, and then explains the context a Black audience would be going through that scene with, than if he had just said something like “yep that’s Black humor lol” or something like that. This way I can get a better understanding of precisely WHY Jeremey is an idiot.
@@flippedturtle4739 OP didn’t state that people can’t critique art from other cultures, they said we need more perspectives. The most well known movie critics; both professional/renowned and on youtube are predominantly white men from a Western country. Inevitably, there’s going to be cultural contexts that fly over their heads which is why it’s important not that we tell them “don’t critique this” but by inviting more diverse backgrounds into art analysis.
funny thing is, the cultural context regarding africans and black americans can easily be googled or (if he's too lazy for googling stuff) asked about on a specific subreddit. that's not some rarely researched group like the ethnic minorities of Russia or the Circassians, in which case, said misunderstanding is comprehensible due to the insignificant amount of information what makes it even more ironic is that he is trying to cater to twitter, and as someone who was an sjw, i can confidently say that SJWs HATE when you talk about cultures you have no knowledge about and would prefer people like him to NEVER speak on these groups, especially if they're marginalized.
You could literally FEEL the greif from the actors, particularly Leticia Wright and Angela Bassett. Winston Duke (mbaku) also delivered an amazing performance!!! Its clear that this was therapeutic for everyone involved. It may not have been a strong "Marvel" movie, but it was an amazing film!!! And a love letter to anyone dealing with greif ❤
Letitia Wright's performance was beautiful and wrapped in her grief. Angela Bassett too was awesome but Duke, having shorter time screen, didn't have a performance up to par with his in the previous movie.
@@TakenByFeawhen you aren’t moisturized black skin looks gray and we call that being ashy and since her makeup doesnt match the rest of her body it looks as if it its ashy
Really great. I enjoyed this quite a bit. CinemaSins claiming Namor was "evil" was frustrating considering that he doesn't actually initiate the events (his nation is invaded). It's especially a weird comment considering CS claimed "nations have morals" when most nations -- including the US -- *would* rain hell on a nation that tried to plunder their resources.
Is his nation invaded? I thought someone just sent a scanner to find vibranium. Hard to say he's invaded when A) It's a scout mission and B) They never go and say "Hey, we live here, please can you not?"
@@Gcsmith12 actually yes. that boat where all those people are homicided by sirens was invading his home to drill/find vibranium. if you dont have explicit permission from the people that live there or own that land, its invasion. thats like if i walked into africa and just started mining their ores. thats their economy and they'd have every right to kil me for taking their resources. if someone doesn't think to ask you first or attempt to take something sneakily i dont think they deserve a "hey please dont thanks" warning. they've already overstepped the boundary.
@@Gcsmith12 also this is just ignoring that his people were invaded by the spanish. he has past bad experiences, so obviously hes not gonna trust or ask anyone as if he was a diplomat. hes gonna kill to protect his people, before they're killed first.
@@Gcsmith12 Considering that Wakandian Facilities were attacked for the purpose of finding vibranium, it would be safe for Namor to assume that if vibranium was found in the ocean every country on Earth would be researching fast on how to acquire the metal regardless or not if an underwater nation told them not to, even if it meant having to go to war with that nation. Also in the movie I'm positive they mention that they prefer to be kept a secret from the world. In short if a country found vibranium in the ocean they would try to acquire it without a care even if an underwater nation said "No this is our metal".
I can’t believe he sinned this movie’s comedic moments. This was one of the least comedic MCU movies in years (and I appreciated that given it’s subject matter); it’s like they didn’t even watch the movie in relation to other MCU movies or they think that any comedy at all is too much, which is ridiculous since even soldiers in real life will joke around from time to time
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4:38 The Sirens appear in the Odyssey, whose main character is Odysseus, who appears in the comics, which CinemaSins apparently doesn't read since Jeremy claims that "The Books Don't Matter."
24:20 thank you for saying this. This isn't just a problem with movies but other forms of media that depict uncomfortable topics. People would much rather complain when a story actually tries to challenge your perception of something by showing it to you than actually think about what the message that is being conveyed actually is. I'd argue the best kind of media is media that doesn't give a shit about how you feel and isn't trying to make you comfortable, real life is shit and when movies and stories actually show that, that's when the the wall that separates fiction from reality crumbles
I think the only time I draw the line in the depiction of uncomfortable topics is when said depiction romanticizes the uncomfortable topic without any proper hint of proper awareness. Like the show 13 Reasons Why or the movie Joker. There’s a difference between challenging uncomfortable topics and making them seem cool or flashy.
This is why I loved the Malcolm X biopic. It didn't shy away from how systemic racism affected this man and his community from that time. Whereas if we take Queen of the Damned (the movie) (ik Akasha wasn't a real person, was actually a villain and that she called for genocide, but it's not the point), they completely removed the misandry part that was depicted in the book (akasha says she witnessed men causing wars and bloodshed for thousands of years or something like that) and the internal conflict due to her romance with Lestat and changed it to the cliche "vampires hating humans" conflict. While QotD is my favorite movie, I still acknowledge that they were too scared to show her genocidal misandry and why she believed it was a suitable option
A really good example with books is how some stories that are tragedies, or meant to be viewed as a warning without it screaming in your face, are viewed incorrectly. Such as many books where people will claim "This is a romance, but the main pairing is so awful! That guy is abusive! Is this what the writer thinks is romantic?!" Like, no Steve. If you read between the lines, you'd see that this was a cautionary tale. Then you also have the shameless fun books where the toxicity is the *point*. Because some people like that type of fantasy. Unless the author explicitly states "This is what I personally believe love should look like," death of the author should apply. One of my favorite indie authors has even taken to leaving a damn disclaimer at the beginning of all her romance books stating: "People don't fall in love this fast. If this actually happens, that is a huge red flag."
i swear literally tired of seeing morons in comments sections saying they want ever hero to act like an edgelord murderous jokester who makes meta satire, these people dont have any originality they dont understand individuality...if every hero acts like homelander,deadpool, or batman...wheres the individualism? how does anyone stand out? imagine using lex luthor's arguements for why superman isnt a hero or shouldnt be seen as a hero and believing youre the one who understands the character?? i said before these people are trying to ruin the superhero movie genre
24:04 THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SPEAKING REAL FACTS!! For slagging sake, this has always pissed me off considering I can't have an honest to god conversation about challenging topics without offending someone. The whole point of a conversation is to discuss the reasons WHY things are the way they are, not to blindly accept things as it is. That's how challenging works, and will eventually answer the most important question. Why?
Interestingly, “critic” discourse is just as bad when it’s the reverse…where instead of confronting audiences with evil topics like suicide, a movie instead tries to present a peaceful and good message (like say forgiveness). Look up for example the endings to Steven Universe or She-Ra: Princesses of Power…two pieces of media where the bad guys that commuted atrocities are forgiven instead of brutally punished. Both media wanted to show the effectiveness of ending a conflict with piece instead of violence.
@@ajerqureshi6411that was my biggest issue with the joker ending...they show him and his followers as a heart warming thing......if hes the villian you dont make that ending.....no matter what the director says to downplay that, that was a bad choice...you could of ended it with him on the run with a darker tone and it still would of went over well....
@@ajerqureshi6411 you could say that for any piece of media that has redeemed characters. i havent watched she-ra so i cant say much about it, but steven univere's redemptions are the entire point of the show. steven's mom (rose/pink diamond) was a horrible person. she was manipulative and staged a war against homeworld just to rebel against her bigger sisters because she was bored. she hurt and left many people who ultimately become villains because of how she hurt them. spinel is the most glaring of these, where she was used as a plaything by rose and then abandoned for hundreds of years. she comes back and tries to destroy the earth because shes bitter that steven and the crystal gems got all of rose's love and she didn't. yes she does hurt people and attempt to slaughter millions, but because its a kids show thats not the forefront of the reasoning. spinel is just a broken person who needed to seek a love that wasn't rose's, one she knew she wouldn't be abandoned from eventually. spinel's entire story is about healthy relationships and learning to open yourself up again instead of lashing out because you were hurt by someone who isnt even alive anymore. its about moving on and becoming better. thats the enitre point of steven universe's messaging to kids. i doubt they'd end that movie killing spinel or throwing her in jail. that just wouldnt be satisfying and its like...a kids show. villains can be thrown in jail and that but it just feels wrong for a few of them who havent killed anyone yet. spinel even helps steven shut down her drilling machine and attempts to get better by leaving earth and reconnecting with the diamonds on homeworld. some things can just simply be resolved with "peace", or better put understanding people's circumstances and giving them a chance to grow and change as people rathering than locking them up and throwing away the key or killing them.
13:19 if I have to be honest, these are my favorite moments of these videos. It’s when Birdman explains film analysis to a channel that has millions of subscribers…for film analysis.
I think cinema sins started to have issues when they decided to expand from 10 minute to over 20 minute videos. Sometimes there just isn’t enough there to fill the time so they pad it in with a lot of the stuff that the Birdman winds up pointing out.
The part about Jeremy not wanting to watch the Disney + shows and complaining about not knowing who Val is has the same energy as a gamer skipping all the cut scenes and then complaining that the game's plot is incomprehensible.
Aww, I just started to watch this new video, and I love this intro, that you chose the touching tribute where the Marvel Studios music doesn’t play any music like it normally does, because of the passing of Chadwick Boseman!!! I still say that this intro was the best decision they made as far as his death does, it was a touching tribute! RIP Chadwick Boseman, you will be missed!!!! WAKANDA FOREVER!!!!!!!!
I love that you brought up the mispronunciations for characters whose names we literally hear in this movie. It will always baffle me how people can hear a name, sometimes repeated several times in a show or film, and STILL butcher the pronunciation. It's like the people who still pronounce Shang-Chi with a long A, or the people who pronounce Evangelion with a long E.
How does he not understand how Queen Ramonda died? There is a small opening, she was carrying her daughter.. obviously she had to lift Shuri from below to push her up out of the water and exhausted herself in the process… was he expecting her to just dolphin leap them out of the water when she got to the surface? Once you get to the surface your troubles don’t just vanish, especially when one of you is unconscious dead weight and you’re wearing clothes that are sinking and hard to swim in. Just imagine trying to lift and push someone up out of a pool while treading water. You’d basically be underneath them pushing with your head and arms while you kick frantically trying not to sink. My point is that most people would have been unable to save Shuri and they both would’ve died. Ramonda is a badass and a Queen in every sense of the word!
Thank you so much for this video. I had to fight CS fan boys on discord when discussing this film. I like the way you gave examples and dismantled the sins. Imo you are better critic in movie taste and can give context
Yeah those CS fanboys will defend Jemery to their last breath. They are fanatics and truly despise when someone points out with examples that Jeremy is /was wrong about something.
19:39 It's things like these that make your videos so incredibly compelling. You absolutely know your shit, and your audience gets more informed because of it.
1:56 Very good point. Fans loved the actor more than his character. The funeral is meta. Even the actors in the film were expressing REAL emotions, pretending to feel them for T'CHALLA.
26:35 when my son died, I wanted the entire world to go with him. He died from pneumonia 3 years ago and I'm still vengeful to this day. Until you experience loss, you have no idea how it can change you.
Thank god I found this channel. You have the patience, technical skill, and insight to do what needs to be done against this wave of online hate-is-cool criticism. Sincerely, thank you for doing these videos.
Honestly i think my biggest problem with marvel movies is that very few villains are ever a consistent threat, since a lot of the movies kill them. Not necessarily always a bad thing, but it cuts down the villain list quite a bit and it kinda sucks to see the more charismatic and interesting ones be contained to a single movie. Ok yes, i did want Ultron to be more than one movie and thats my main reason for being critical. Im biased.
i think more people would be pissed that ultron WASNT killed off. i mean ultron being an AI could easily come back because hes not organic, but if he wasnt killed off in AOU people would complain that the avengers are incompetent and allowed a humanity hating advanced AI that can control the tech around him to go free. just wouldnt make sense from a narrative stand point either. tony is ashamed of the creation of ultron, why would he just allow him to survive?
@@mariebunn45 Well of course they wouldn't just "let" Ultron live, his continuation would have been in secret. I agree with Timepony here, lot of wasted potential with some of the villains, Ultron most notably. Not saying his debut was unsatisfactory by any means, but he's on par with Thanos and Kang, yet has only appeared in the movie and the last few episodes of What If? Feels like some wasted potential for later on in the phases.
11:58 moments like that convinces me jeremy just checking whatever opinion is easy to find(im not gonna say popular because they are still belong to loud minorities) on the internet. he probably heard the reputation of mcu's humor, he knew certain people will love and accept that ''sin'' in a heart beat, and didnt bother to make sure how true it is.
What always gets me about this purported MCU sin is not just that weaving humor throughput the story has been part of Marvel movies from the start, it's been part of Marvel COMICS from the start! To the extent there's a MCU "formula," it's amusing to me how much of it was clearly established by the early 1960s.
7:12 - Damn, got hit with a wave of nostalgia there with this music. Takes me back to when I first saw your Winter Soldier video, and viewed, in my opinion, your BEST intro.
I'd also like to argue further about the "One person worthy of going to war for" bit. If a monarch is assassinated (throughout human history) there is almost always consequences when the actor of the assassination is known. Much less AN OPEN FUCKING ATTACK THAT KILLED COUNTLESS PEOPLE IN YOUR CAPITAL. I get that the convo was focused on M'Baku trying to get Shuri to think like a ruler and see past her grief (or just temper her vengeance) but CinemaSins just straight ignoring history to pick apart that line of dialogue is a little silly.
THAT PART. Namor literally assassinated a country's leader after an unprovoked attack that killed hundreds of people at minimum. Not only that, he taunted the next leader with that fucked up (but well-written) "You are queen now!" taunt. This is also likely the first time in Wakandan history that a ruler has been assassinated by an outside hostile country since Wakadan was isolated. So OF COURSE Wakanda would go to war for their dead queen. Countries throughout history have gone to war for far less.
Ultimately I agree with Jeremy about Namor’s complete way of thinking. I understand ‘never again’ but at the same time he had NO reason to harm or suspect Riri of any malevolence. Truth be told he didn’t actually *need* Wakanda for anything either.
I'm sorry, Didn't need? How about he wants the people of Wakanda to join them or die? His people can overthrow wakanda if he wants to but offers them a choice of making peace. Not really two good options sure, but they are like that in the comics.
I think that’s the point. Namor is still portrayed in the wrong in this movie because he is acting on pure survival instead of trying see nuance. He’s lived through some horrible shit and humanity is just now beginning to accept one another, but its still taking time, and he is not willing to wait it out while dickweeds in power will try and harm others for being different. He’s not right, buts he’s not completely wrong. Him and Shuri making “peace” is a sign that he could potentially learn to be less judgmental of others, but he’s still not there yet. He will kill to protect his kind, and if he has to, he will destroy all nations to do so. He’s complex is what I’m saying. Most other MCU bad guys are the standard “I will kill/conquer all because is can”. Only Namor and Thanos are doing things that would help people survive, albeit in an extreme sense and in Namor’s case it’s specifically his people. Nuance baby. He makes characters interesting. Besides, this is what he’s like in the comics. He will beef with anyone that threatens his people, good or evil.
First Namor is not a good guy, second Namor is extremely protective of his home, there's a game where you save him and his kingdom his response to you is I won't kill you but you need to leave now. Third I don't care how powerful you are it is important to have allies.
If he lets he do her thing and the us or any other nation get their hand on her and force her to make more of those machines then he has a bigger problem he's sniffing the flame before it grows is how I took it
13:32 i saw the movie twice in theaters. Once on opening night with all the nerds, a second time with a mostly black audience and it was the second viewing that got the biggest laughs from the audience. As a plain jane cracker, even i understood this movie had a cultural context that i wouldnt be privy to but i enjoyed seeing my mostly black theater compatriots hooting and hollering throughout the runtime.
Sirens were traditionally bird women (hence their beautiful singing voices). They only started to be associated with mermaids much later, due to pop culture assimilation. However, that IS how they're usually portrayed in modern media, so Birdman's argument is still valid.
I used to watch Cinema Sins religiously until I discovered your channel and ever since then I never went back!! You clearly do your research and you respect the art. Thank you!
23:00 Thank you! This is why I more or less haven't gotten too into the MCU is because it is *a lot* of movies that I have passing interest in, but I'm not going to say it's a problem with the movie that I don't watch it the way the movie is intended to be. This is like watching a One Piece movie, and then ask "why aren't they introducing the characters?" when they go by the assumption that you are familiar enough with the source material
Kinda shocked Jeremy didn't call Namor discount Aquaman. Yes I'm aware Sub-Mariner was created a full 2 years before the king of Atlantis. But I doubt Jeremy knows that
25:00 Hell, this happened to Kazuki Takahashi almost a year before this video was uploaded. He was a Japanese manga artist. He made his serial manga debut in 1986, and is best known as the author of Yu-Gi-Oh!. He died a hero.
@@squatch1565actually disgusting. Removes a sin for a tribute but he’s then like “no I need to keep the running gag going so idiots will buy into me being a joke channel” so he adds one back. He o lay removed a sin here because he prob got backlash that first time and doesn’t want it again because of his fragile ego.
You just know what Jeremy said about the Chadwick Boseman's tribute flipbook logo is disingenuous since he sinned the Stan Lee tribute flipbook logo during Captain Marvel.
CinemaSins when people who are grieving can have moments of levity, a super genius can figure out how to perfect something she's been working on for over a year and Black people have their own culture: 😧 SIN
"Jeremy points out boner. Also, if your dick is shaped like that, I feel sorry for the women that have to deal with this. I mean, you're not touching any walls with that thing." Birdman, destroying Jeremy since 2018 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So Shuri can't synthesize an herb she's worked at for years, but Erskine in the 1940s could create a serum that could mimic the herb to a fantastic extent (implied possibly he used something from Wakanda to do it) without 1/8th of the power she has to do it.
Let's not forget this same formula that bruce banner tried to attempt to make with the power of gamma radiation as part of the catalyst to make a super soldier created the hulk.
It took a decade for Erskine to perfect the serum. He began developing it in the 1930s and perfected it in the 40s. Shuri only began working on recreating the herb in 2016. Two years pass and the events of Infinity War happen and she turns into dust. She comes back in 2023 (late 2023, October) and she resumes her work. Then 2024 rolls around and T'Challa dies before the events of FFH. She stops working on the herb after her brother's death and makes the Midnight Angels as a possible replacement until the events of this movie in 2025 2016-2018; 2 years Late 2023-2024; less than a year It took Erskine 10 years to make the serum, while it took Shuri less than 3 (since we're not counting the 5 years she was gone) It took a shorter time for her to make the herb; FASTER than Erskine. I see no issue here. And when was it implied that the serum was made from an ingredient that originated from Wakanda? That's simply a theory (that would be cool if proven true) But it was never implied his serum had a key ingredient from Wakanda. The best we know is that a green substance was given to Erskine, as revealed in season 7 of AoS, and even then the specifics of what it actually is still isn't given.
@@Cinemabu11 Howard Stark says they made a deal with Wakanda and got Vibranium out of it, and the cartoons have shown Peggy Carter and Howard working with T'Challa's grandfather in missions, with comparisons between the Black Panther and Captain America being made.
@dking1037 T'Chaka giving vibranium to Howard Stark is a theory. Officially, in the MCU wiki, as well as a tie-in prequel comic, Howard was presenting vibranium at one point and said that he had a team of researchers locate vibranium in deepest Africa. The meteorite that hit Wakanda broke off into smaller pieces and some of those pieces landed in other areas that were in areas somewhat close to Wakanda, but far enough for Howard's research team to not get spotted by the Dora Milaje And T'Challa's grandfather, Azzuri, was never introduced as a proper character in the MCU What's this cartoon that involves Stark and Peggy helping them? Because I'm pretty sure it's not connected to the MCU because nothing involves them helping Wakanda in any way
I found the show: Avengers Assemble. That show is not a part of the MCU. It was never stated to be connected, and it wouldn't make sense, as Howard Stark had a grandson, Arno Stark who would fight Kang That hasn't happened in the MCU, as currently the MCU takes place in 2025. And Stark had a daughter, not a son
27:22 And in the comics,she saw it as an achievement,which is why Bast didn't give her the powers of the black panther,until she protected her people nobly, despite the lack of powers.
24:28 That reminded me of thpse who complain the Mario movie is sexist because THE BAD GUY is a stalker. Has any of those people actually watched a movie before? I think not, otherwise they would know that doing bad, repugnant and despicable things is what bad guys DO.
That was a really cool bit of trivia about mutates and mutants, I didn't know that there was a difference - never really thought about it truth be told.
Part of the reason black panther died was the actor entered a state that makes it difficult to act, they didn’t feel that it was right to recast him so they made a new script, sinning that is just sad
UA-cam is a much better place with you here, Birdman. You bring a perspective to things that I don't really get anywhere else. As a fellow black man, it fills me with a combo of happiness, pride and immense respect.
At one moment it was just like i heard a tropic thunder. I understood that reference and it puts a smile on my face 😃 Thank you as always for an awesome video🤗
the whole thing about "my nation has more soldiers than this land has blades of grass",,, it's so clearly a metaphor. it's just "my army is so incomprehensibly big, here, have a metaphor explaining how screwed you are if we end up fighting a war"
For a good example of mutant vs mutate - Wolverine is a mutant. His powers come from the genetic expression of the X-Gene that he had at birth. Deadpool is a mutate, his powers come from the introduction of Wolverine's genetics into his body. Those genetic markers do not naturally exist in Wade Wilson's body, they were introduced by an outside force.
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Hey. Not knocking the point about steroids, just making an observation.
The steroid lady lost to technique, not strength. She was using strength, while the guy was using joint control. Why it looked so easy.
Hey Birdman, the outro instrumental sounded like Polyphia or Chon. When I Shazamed it I got some artist named WalaKalala, but after I listened to that song he raps over parts that in your outro didn't have lyrics. So I definitely feel like Shazam betrayed me here. Can you tell me what the outro music was from please?
Th3Birdman i just gotta tell you that your videos are chefs kiss. Also a Death Battle fan I see should have known(green lantern). Also quick question from Marvel side you got to pick your dream team of 4 but no big scale reality warpers only small. Hopefully you see this. Love ya
Love the content birdman clearly Jeremy has no idea that we are yet to understand how humans evolved to swim and how we adapted to have a lare of fat that makes us boiant the fact there are a people that can hold there breath for 30 minuets is baffling compeared to the avrage
The opening also sets up Shuri’s failure at making a heart shaped plant early in the film.
And feel rewarded when she does succeeded
Exactly, and it's meant to set up Shuri's character arc.
Not only that, news of the King's death leads to mercenaries trying to steal vibranium, which leads into a conflict with the Queen showing the United Nations that they aren't defenseless without the Black Panther
It also reveals that she didn't believe in the spiritual aspects of wakanda while showing her being so desperate that she prayed to bast
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Immediately from the jump “they gave (Chadwick) a movie funeral that allowed fans to partake” THIS!!! I was bawling in that theater it was closest thing I got to viewing a memorial for him, and I beseech any Jeremy to say that we, the audience, didn’t deserve a moment to memorialize both the character of T’Challa and the actor Chadwick.
That opening was perfect. Hits you with sadness that carries throughout the movie. His presence was felt the entire time
"I don't get this joke because it comes from a culture other than mine... so that's a sin!" gives me the ick
Most culturally sensitive American☠️☠️
you probably haven't seen Jeremy sin Get Out and Friday, this video is pretty mild in that regard
@@Crawlingdreams418what did he say in those video?
@@theimpostor6344it's better you see them for your self
Bro even if you're not from that culture or community there are still some universal elements that are present even in cultures that are an ocean or continent away. Hell, even traditions such as funerals can be different like in some peoples telling jokes and singing high-spirited songs rather than woefully singing "Danny Boy" addressing the sadness of losing someone is still understandable. (eg. John McCain's funeral and Aretha Franklin's funeral)
Sometimes you need to let the jokes take time to sink in rather than have impatience ruin the moment.
That's kind of why I stopped watching Cinemasins and started watching Th3Birdman.
Also Shuri dawning the suit out of revenge has been a running pattern in the movies
T'Challa's first dawning of his suit that we see is to kill Bucky because of the death of his father in Civil War
Kilmonger dawns the suit lut of revenge for his ancestors in Black Panther
And Shuri does it here for revenge of the deah of her mother
It's a pattern i noticed that whenever you dawn the Black Panther suit the death of a loved one is bound to follow
Good points fa sho 💯💯💯
Shuri's vengeance is increased because Namor is the first person she's been vulnerable with intimately since her brother's loss and the same man who gave something precious from his mother and they shared a joke about being queen comes and takes her mother from her. That deepens the betrayal to say the least.
this comment right here. in just 1 film, she lost her brother, and during the time the entire world was wondering if she was going to take the role of queen, isolated herself from the world, namor, all of a sudden interrupts a deep conversation between her and her mother, pressured and forced to find a girl that even NATIONS want interest in, almost died by a water bomb and went unconscious, waking up thinking okoye drowned, forced to be kidnapped to protect riri, and like you said, he was the first person shuri felt comfortable to talk about what happened, but then it is completed ruined by namor mentioning an alliance to team up against the world and also killing riri, even though if she joins namor, people won't think of her as a hero anymore-
her nation worrying about her, gets held by a knife when nakia is saving her, her trying to save the girl was a trauma response to her trying to save t'challa, her returning back to her nation only to see the city being destroyed, her people dying in the process, and her mother, her last family member (at the time) DIED while trying to save her new friend. the same guy who also killed her mother is the same person that she opened up too and the only person she thought she could trust, also pressured her AGAIN by saying wakanda has a week to turn themselves over or they die and saying that she is potentially queen now, she is also the only person that has to save her nation, no one else.
and that man literally said "she's putting her emotions first". this is just in 1 film, that's not even adding up the trauma she experienced in black panther, and infinity war.
*A villain uses chemical warfare and gases civilians*
"wow, this is kind off uncomfortable, gassing people is illegal"
Yes you idiot, that's why they are a villain. And in movie scope, as birdman says, forcing the enemy to jump off into the ocean is effectively no different than shooting them in the face while unarmed. Both happen a lot in movies, but it's only a problem when you are uncomfortable with it
To add to that, just because you're uncomfortable with something isn't BAD OR SIN WORTHY. Plenty of stuff is designed to make us uncomfortable and empathise one way or the other with the characters
This really annoys me, like I've seen people go "Well, the villain didn't say a Slur, because they're not a monster." I get that slurs are bad, but what world do we live in where cursing someone or saying something rude is worse than literal murder.
Who else felt extremely irritated about the way Jeremy butchered Shuri's name? Because I did. It's like he was trying to say Sharice, but cut himself off, while simultaneously trying to hold in a sneeze.
I was screaming in frustration by the end of it 🥴
it was really annoying almost immediately and it's true, how does he mispronounce it so wrong when she's been a character for decades and has been in the mcu since 2016 and is the protagonist of this entire movie
Thank you! There's so many things Cinesins doesn't understand and one is the cultural context of movies. The fact they didn't get the jokes in wakanda forever underpins why we need more people analysing films from different backgrounds. Keep up the good stuff!
I would repectfully disagree. I think it’s important that people accross cultural boundaries understand each other, and this includes things like people critiquing a movie, even if it includes a depiction of another culture. Of cource there should be some response to the criticisms, but idea of “this person doesn’t understand the cultural, therefore they shouldn’t offer communtary” is, in my opinion, dangerous grounds for alienation of cultures. Like, I’m watching this movie to get a better or different view of a certain culture or group. I would love it if that group were to change my perspective on that movie or other piece of media.
For example, I think it’s more culturally illuminating when TheBirdman criticises CinemaSins for not understanding the jokes, and then explains the context a Black audience would be going through that scene with, than if he had just said something like “yep that’s Black humor lol” or something like that. This way I can get a better understanding of precisely WHY Jeremey is an idiot.
@@flippedturtle4739 OP didn’t state that people can’t critique art from other cultures, they said we need more perspectives. The most well known movie critics; both professional/renowned and on youtube are predominantly white men from a Western country. Inevitably, there’s going to be cultural contexts that fly over their heads which is why it’s important not that we tell them “don’t critique this” but by inviting more diverse backgrounds into art analysis.
funny thing is, the cultural context regarding africans and black americans can easily be googled or (if he's too lazy for googling stuff) asked about on a specific subreddit. that's not some rarely researched group like the ethnic minorities of Russia or the Circassians, in which case, said misunderstanding is comprehensible due to the insignificant amount of information
what makes it even more ironic is that he is trying to cater to twitter, and as someone who was an sjw, i can confidently say that SJWs HATE when you talk about cultures you have no knowledge about and would prefer people like him to NEVER speak on these groups, especially if they're marginalized.
@@Crawlingdreams418 SJW hate people who talk about cultures they know nothing about? The fuck? Aren't SJWs people that do EXACTLY that?
You could literally FEEL the greif from the actors, particularly Leticia Wright and Angela Bassett. Winston Duke (mbaku) also delivered an amazing performance!!! Its clear that this was therapeutic for everyone involved. It may not have been a strong "Marvel" movie, but it was an amazing film!!! And a love letter to anyone dealing with greif ❤
Letitia Wright's performance was beautiful and wrapped in her grief. Angela Bassett too was awesome but Duke, having shorter time screen, didn't have a performance up to par with his in the previous movie.
genuinely thinks it's in the top5 best marvel movies
Thank you for an actual black person understanding the culture of the jokes and the social commentary. You’re such a breath of fresh air Birdman
nahh fr💯this video gold🏆
@@DeauntesSpotfrfr 💯 on god on god fr 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 on god
Could you please explain the "ashy head, " joke? Sorry I'm white and don't understand, is it her makeup?
This is why I actually listen to him on this and other videos like EWW CS: Friday. He knows what’s up.
@@TakenByFeawhen you aren’t moisturized black skin looks gray and we call that being ashy and since her makeup doesnt match the rest of her body it looks as if it its ashy
Rest in Power, Chadwick Boseman. You were taken from us far too soon, and you still had much more good to do.
I lost my mind at the "I'm going to antagonize two superheroes that helped kill Thanos without my gun" line. Couldn't stop laughing.
"Give people their flowers while they are still able to smell them".
You got me Birdman. This hit me like a ton of bricks.
"You're like a white girl in a horror movie trippin over nothin" 💀💀💀I'm stealing this
Really great. I enjoyed this quite a bit. CinemaSins claiming Namor was "evil" was frustrating considering that he doesn't actually initiate the events (his nation is invaded). It's especially a weird comment considering CS claimed "nations have morals" when most nations -- including the US -- *would* rain hell on a nation that tried to plunder their resources.
only white edgelords who make meta satire jokes are "heros" to jeremy
Is his nation invaded? I thought someone just sent a scanner to find vibranium. Hard to say he's invaded when A) It's a scout mission and B) They never go and say "Hey, we live here, please can you not?"
@@Gcsmith12 actually yes. that boat where all those people are homicided by sirens was invading his home to drill/find vibranium. if you dont have explicit permission from the people that live there or own that land, its invasion. thats like if i walked into africa and just started mining their ores. thats their economy and they'd have every right to kil me for taking their resources. if someone doesn't think to ask you first or attempt to take something sneakily i dont think they deserve a "hey please dont thanks" warning. they've already overstepped the boundary.
@@Gcsmith12 also this is just ignoring that his people were invaded by the spanish. he has past bad experiences, so obviously hes not gonna trust or ask anyone as if he was a diplomat. hes gonna kill to protect his people, before they're killed first.
@@Gcsmith12 Considering that Wakandian Facilities were attacked for the purpose of finding vibranium, it would be safe for Namor to assume that if vibranium was found in the ocean every country on Earth would be researching fast on how to acquire the metal regardless or not if an underwater nation told them not to, even if it meant having to go to war with that nation. Also in the movie I'm positive they mention that they prefer to be kept a secret from the world.
In short if a country found vibranium in the ocean they would try to acquire it without a care even if an underwater nation said "No this is our metal".
You should have done a bonus sinning round on how many times Jeremy mispronounced ’Shuri’ 😄
I can’t believe he sinned this movie’s comedic moments. This was one of the least comedic MCU movies in years (and I appreciated that given it’s subject matter); it’s like they didn’t even watch the movie in relation to other MCU movies or they think that any comedy at all is too much, which is ridiculous since even soldiers in real life will joke around from time to time
4:38 The Sirens appear in the Odyssey, whose main character is Odysseus, who appears in the comics, which CinemaSins apparently doesn't read since Jeremy claims that "The Books Don't Matter."
Ok, but the Atlanteans/Talokans aren’t actually Sirens.
@@blakeharris58Yeah, but the influences are there
I swear that Jeremy has read fewer books than the producers and writers of the Percy Jackson films.
@@SCP_Wandsman13_13And yet he has written them.
24:20 thank you for saying this. This isn't just a problem with movies but other forms of media that depict uncomfortable topics. People would much rather complain when a story actually tries to challenge your perception of something by showing it to you than actually think about what the message that is being conveyed actually is.
I'd argue the best kind of media is media that doesn't give a shit about how you feel and isn't trying to make you comfortable, real life is shit and when movies and stories actually show that, that's when the the wall that separates fiction from reality crumbles
I think the only time I draw the line in the depiction of uncomfortable topics is when said depiction romanticizes the uncomfortable topic without any proper hint of proper awareness. Like the show 13 Reasons Why or the movie Joker.
There’s a difference between challenging uncomfortable topics and making them seem cool or flashy.
This is why I loved the Malcolm X biopic. It didn't shy away from how systemic racism affected this man and his community from that time. Whereas if we take Queen of the Damned (the movie) (ik Akasha wasn't a real person, was actually a villain and that she called for genocide, but it's not the point), they completely removed the misandry part that was depicted in the book (akasha says she witnessed men causing wars and bloodshed for thousands of years or something like that) and the internal conflict due to her romance with Lestat and changed it to the cliche "vampires hating humans" conflict. While QotD is my favorite movie, I still acknowledge that they were too scared to show her genocidal misandry and why she believed it was a suitable option
A Serbian Film made me uncomfortable and I don't like it🙁😞 *ding*
A really good example with books is how some stories that are tragedies, or meant to be viewed as a warning without it screaming in your face, are viewed incorrectly. Such as many books where people will claim "This is a romance, but the main pairing is so awful! That guy is abusive! Is this what the writer thinks is romantic?!" Like, no Steve. If you read between the lines, you'd see that this was a cautionary tale.
Then you also have the shameless fun books where the toxicity is the *point*. Because some people like that type of fantasy. Unless the author explicitly states "This is what I personally believe love should look like," death of the author should apply. One of my favorite indie authors has even taken to leaving a damn disclaimer at the beginning of all her romance books stating: "People don't fall in love this fast. If this actually happens, that is a huge red flag."
i swear literally tired of seeing morons in comments sections saying they want ever hero to act like an edgelord murderous jokester who makes meta satire, these people dont have any originality
they dont understand individuality...if every hero acts like homelander,deadpool, or batman...wheres the individualism? how does anyone stand out?
imagine using lex luthor's arguements for why superman isnt a hero or shouldnt be seen as a hero and believing youre the one who understands the character??
i said before these people are trying to ruin the superhero movie genre
24:04 THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SPEAKING REAL FACTS!! For slagging sake, this has always pissed me off considering I can't have an honest to god conversation about challenging topics without offending someone. The whole point of a conversation is to discuss the reasons WHY things are the way they are, not to blindly accept things as it is. That's how challenging works, and will eventually answer the most important question. Why?
Interestingly, “critic” discourse is just as bad when it’s the reverse…where instead of confronting audiences with evil topics like suicide, a movie instead tries to present a peaceful and good message (like say forgiveness). Look up for example the endings to Steven Universe or She-Ra: Princesses of Power…two pieces of media where the bad guys that commuted atrocities are forgiven instead of brutally punished. Both media wanted to show the effectiveness of ending a conflict with piece instead of violence.
@@ajerqureshi6411that was my biggest issue with the joker ending...they show him and his followers as a heart warming thing......if hes the villian you dont make that ending.....no matter what the director says to downplay that, that was a bad choice...you could of ended it with him on the run with a darker tone and it still would of went over well....
@@ajerqureshi6411 you could say that for any piece of media that has redeemed characters. i havent watched she-ra so i cant say much about it, but steven univere's redemptions are the entire point of the show. steven's mom (rose/pink diamond) was a horrible person. she was manipulative and staged a war against homeworld just to rebel against her bigger sisters because she was bored. she hurt and left many people who ultimately become villains because of how she hurt them. spinel is the most glaring of these, where she was used as a plaything by rose and then abandoned for hundreds of years. she comes back and tries to destroy the earth because shes bitter that steven and the crystal gems got all of rose's love and she didn't. yes she does hurt people and attempt to slaughter millions, but because its a kids show thats not the forefront of the reasoning. spinel is just a broken person who needed to seek a love that wasn't rose's, one she knew she wouldn't be abandoned from eventually. spinel's entire story is about healthy relationships and learning to open yourself up again instead of lashing out because you were hurt by someone who isnt even alive anymore. its about moving on and becoming better. thats the enitre point of steven universe's messaging to kids. i doubt they'd end that movie killing spinel or throwing her in jail. that just wouldnt be satisfying and its like...a kids show. villains can be thrown in jail and that but it just feels wrong for a few of them who havent killed anyone yet. spinel even helps steven shut down her drilling machine and attempts to get better by leaving earth and reconnecting with the diamonds on homeworld. some things can just simply be resolved with "peace", or better put understanding people's circumstances and giving them a chance to grow and change as people rathering than locking them up and throwing away the key or killing them.
I saw this one in theatres and I was crying over the tribute to Chadwick Boseman.
How do people cry this easily
@@ShadwRavn because he was a person who existed and died tragically young. R.I.P Chadwick Boseman
@@GollyJolly But how do you cry from that?
@@ShadwRavn you see, your eyes let out tears, which happens when you experience emotions, you know, those things that humans usually have
@@roky7772 interesting
13:19 if I have to be honest, these are my favorite moments of these videos. It’s when Birdman explains film analysis to a channel that has millions of subscribers…for film analysis.
I think cinema sins started to have issues when they decided to expand from 10 minute to over 20 minute videos.
Sometimes there just isn’t enough there to fill the time so they pad it in with a lot of the stuff that the Birdman winds up pointing out.
The part about Jeremy not wanting to watch the Disney + shows and complaining about not knowing who Val is has the same energy as a gamer skipping all the cut scenes and then complaining that the game's plot is incomprehensible.
Aww, I just started to watch this new video, and I love this intro, that you chose the touching tribute where the Marvel Studios music doesn’t play any music like it normally does, because of the passing of Chadwick Boseman!!! I still say that this intro was the best decision they made as far as his death does, it was a touching tribute! RIP Chadwick Boseman, you will be missed!!!! WAKANDA FOREVER!!!!!!!!
I love that you brought up the mispronunciations for characters whose names we literally hear in this movie. It will always baffle me how people can hear a name, sometimes repeated several times in a show or film, and STILL butcher the pronunciation. It's like the people who still pronounce Shang-Chi with a long A, or the people who pronounce Evangelion with a long E.
How does he not understand how Queen Ramonda died? There is a small opening, she was carrying her daughter.. obviously she had to lift Shuri from below to push her up out of the water and exhausted herself in the process… was he expecting her to just dolphin leap them out of the water when she got to the surface? Once you get to the surface your troubles don’t just vanish, especially when one of you is unconscious dead weight and you’re wearing clothes that are sinking and hard to swim in. Just imagine trying to lift and push someone up out of a pool while treading water. You’d basically be underneath them pushing with your head and arms while you kick frantically trying not to sink.
My point is that most people would have been unable to save Shuri and they both would’ve died. Ramonda is a badass and a Queen in every sense of the word!
that was riri she saved not shuri
that Cap segment still seems realistic to me I believe Chris Evans can stop an airborne helicopter with his strength
That helicopter scene was done for real, I think he injured his shoulder in it.
@@Gcsmith12it wasn’t real do you know how much strength he would’ve needed it was 90% cgi
Thank you so much for this video. I had to fight CS fan boys on discord when discussing this film. I like the way you gave examples and dismantled the sins.
Imo you are better critic in movie taste and can give context
Yeah those CS fanboys will defend Jemery to their last breath. They are fanatics and truly despise when someone points out with examples that Jeremy is /was wrong about something.
when he said nations wouldn’t plunder a rising nation shows how much of a whitewashed perspective of history he has 💀
I was soooo confused when he said that. Literally all governments are corrupt as hell😂
19:39 It's things like these that make your videos so incredibly compelling. You absolutely know your shit, and your audience gets more informed because of it.
1:56 Very good point. Fans loved the actor more than his character. The funeral is meta. Even the actors in the film were expressing REAL emotions, pretending to feel them for T'CHALLA.
26:35 when my son died, I wanted the entire world to go with him. He died from pneumonia 3 years ago and I'm still vengeful to this day. Until you experience loss, you have no idea how it can change you.
Thank god I found this channel. You have the patience, technical skill, and insight to do what needs to be done against this wave of online hate-is-cool criticism. Sincerely, thank you for doing these videos.
The funeral at the beginning was important in-universe to establish Shuri's demotivation and reluctance to accept her inheritance.
Honestly i think my biggest problem with marvel movies is that very few villains are ever a consistent threat, since a lot of the movies kill them. Not necessarily always a bad thing, but it cuts down the villain list quite a bit and it kinda sucks to see the more charismatic and interesting ones be contained to a single movie.
Ok yes, i did want Ultron to be more than one movie and thats my main reason for being critical. Im biased.
i think more people would be pissed that ultron WASNT killed off. i mean ultron being an AI could easily come back because hes not organic, but if he wasnt killed off in AOU people would complain that the avengers are incompetent and allowed a humanity hating advanced AI that can control the tech around him to go free. just wouldnt make sense from a narrative stand point either. tony is ashamed of the creation of ultron, why would he just allow him to survive?
@@mariebunn45 Well of course they wouldn't just "let" Ultron live, his continuation would have been in secret. I agree with Timepony here, lot of wasted potential with some of the villains, Ultron most notably. Not saying his debut was unsatisfactory by any means, but he's on par with Thanos and Kang, yet has only appeared in the movie and the last few episodes of What If? Feels like some wasted potential for later on in the phases.
That’s why I loved the high evolutionary
11:58 moments like that convinces me jeremy just checking whatever opinion is easy to find(im not gonna say popular because they are still belong to loud minorities) on the internet. he probably heard the reputation of mcu's humor, he knew certain people will love and accept that ''sin'' in a heart beat, and didnt bother to make sure how true it is.
What always gets me about this purported MCU sin is not just that weaving humor throughput the story has been part of Marvel movies from the start, it's been part of Marvel COMICS from the start! To the extent there's a MCU "formula," it's amusing to me how much of it was clearly established by the early 1960s.
7:12 - Damn, got hit with a wave of nostalgia there with this music. Takes me back to when I first saw your Winter Soldier video, and viewed, in my opinion, your BEST intro.
"Understanding Thy Enemy is how you defeat Thy enemy"
Damn, someone cast Th3Birdman as Thrawn!
I'd also like to argue further about the "One person worthy of going to war for" bit. If a monarch is assassinated (throughout human history) there is almost always consequences when the actor of the assassination is known. Much less AN OPEN FUCKING ATTACK THAT KILLED COUNTLESS PEOPLE IN YOUR CAPITAL. I get that the convo was focused on M'Baku trying to get Shuri to think like a ruler and see past her grief (or just temper her vengeance) but CinemaSins just straight ignoring history to pick apart that line of dialogue is a little silly.
THAT PART. Namor literally assassinated a country's leader after an unprovoked attack that killed hundreds of people at minimum. Not only that, he taunted the next leader with that fucked up (but well-written) "You are queen now!" taunt. This is also likely the first time in Wakandan history that a ruler has been assassinated by an outside hostile country since Wakadan was isolated. So OF COURSE Wakanda would go to war for their dead queen. Countries throughout history have gone to war for far less.
YES! YES! YES! I knew you'd come through! Such a touching tribute in the beginning. ❤
2:27 This is why I come back to your content. Always finding new ways to catch me off guard and crack me up.
Jeremy is just upset because his head is most definitely ashy.
Ultimately I agree with Jeremy about Namor’s complete way of thinking. I understand ‘never again’ but at the same time he had NO reason to harm or suspect Riri of any malevolence. Truth be told he didn’t actually *need* Wakanda for anything either.
I'm sorry, Didn't need? How about he wants the people of Wakanda to join them or die? His people can overthrow wakanda if he wants to but offers them a choice of making peace. Not really two good options sure, but they are like that in the comics.
Namor isn't a good guy, but he isn't evil. He just think what is best for his people.
I think that’s the point. Namor is still portrayed in the wrong in this movie because he is acting on pure survival instead of trying see nuance. He’s lived through some horrible shit and humanity is just now beginning to accept one another, but its still taking time, and he is not willing to wait it out while dickweeds in power will try and harm others for being different. He’s not right, buts he’s not completely wrong. Him and Shuri making “peace” is a sign that he could potentially learn to be less judgmental of others, but he’s still not there yet. He will kill to protect his kind, and if he has to, he will destroy all nations to do so. He’s complex is what I’m saying. Most other MCU bad guys are the standard “I will kill/conquer all because is can”. Only Namor and Thanos are doing things that would help people survive, albeit in an extreme sense and in Namor’s case it’s specifically his people. Nuance baby. He makes characters interesting. Besides, this is what he’s like in the comics. He will beef with anyone that threatens his people, good or evil.
First Namor is not a good guy, second Namor is extremely protective of his home, there's a game where you save him and his kingdom his response to you is I won't kill you but you need to leave now. Third I don't care how powerful you are it is important to have allies.
If he lets he do her thing and the us or any other nation get their hand on her and force her to make more of those machines then he has a bigger problem he's sniffing the flame before it grows is how I took it
Even if he's gone, Chadwick Boseman will forever the true king of Wakanda and the king of our hearts
WAKANADA FOREVER!!!
Rip Chadwick Boseman, amazing intro!
Even if it's about my Bedtime, I still love watching Bman's no matter what time of day the videos are on. Also:
Wakanda Forever!
The Cap'n America montages are probably my favorite in these videos. Can't help but bob my head when I listen to the song.
13:32 i saw the movie twice in theaters. Once on opening night with all the nerds, a second time with a mostly black audience and it was the second viewing that got the biggest laughs from the audience. As a plain jane cracker, even i understood this movie had a cultural context that i wouldnt be privy to but i enjoyed seeing my mostly black theater compatriots hooting and hollering throughout the runtime.
Jesus Christ CinemaSins has such a smooth brain. “Nations have morals,” 😭😭😭
You were in your bag on this one bro. 💯
as soon as you said waking up dead, was hoping you put that clip in. so happy to see it.
As someone who “playfully” bullies my British friends constantly, that impression was hilarious.
Ahhhh I'm so glad you went this hard. I knew I was gonna feel some type of way about this one, but you definitely made it much better
We needed this! Jeremy is horrendously unaware.
Definitely
Sirens were traditionally bird women (hence their beautiful singing voices). They only started to be associated with mermaids much later, due to pop culture assimilation. However, that IS how they're usually portrayed in modern media, so Birdman's argument is still valid.
Wait... Jeremy didnt sin the Killmonger scene and then ask who he was? Consider my mind blown.
He probably thought it was T'Challa💀
that guitar version of positions at the end hits so hard :D
I used to watch Cinema Sins religiously until I discovered your channel and ever since then I never went back!! You clearly do your research and you respect the art. Thank you!
Changing the sin count to "Nakia's cakes" at sin 69, lmao!
Love that 'white women horror movie joke" hilarious stuff haha
23:00 Thank you! This is why I more or less haven't gotten too into the MCU is because it is *a lot* of movies that I have passing interest in, but I'm not going to say it's a problem with the movie that I don't watch it the way the movie is intended to be. This is like watching a One Piece movie, and then ask "why aren't they introducing the characters?" when they go by the assumption that you are familiar enough with the source material
It’s a good day when Birdman uploads a new “everything wrong with cinema sins” video 👌🏼😎
Bro that “Who are the whales being protected from?”💀 Bro Idk how my brother watches cinemasins
"You're just like white girls in horror movies: tripping over nothing" made me laugh and realize, yes that does happen a lot.
Thanks!
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you
Kinda shocked Jeremy didn't call Namor discount Aquaman. Yes I'm aware Sub-Mariner was created a full 2 years before the king of Atlantis. But I doubt Jeremy knows that
25:00 Hell, this happened to Kazuki Takahashi almost a year before this video was uploaded. He was a Japanese manga artist. He made his serial manga debut in 1986, and is best known as the author of Yu-Gi-Oh!. He died a hero.
I always love it is when he pulls out his British accent
Didn't he sin the marvel logo after Stan Lee died
He did
He removed a sin because it was paying tribute to Stan, then added a sin because it was a logo
@@squatch1565actually disgusting. Removes a sin for a tribute but he’s then like “no I need to keep the running gag going so idiots will buy into me being a joke channel” so he adds one back. He o lay removed a sin here because he prob got backlash that first time and doesn’t want it again because of his fragile ego.
@@squatch1565 So in other words, the sin removal was pointless. I did see Birdmans video on the CS for Captain Marvel.
@@kylesmyle4233 precisely
I like what you said about bandwagons and how they’re for people who don’t actually know what they’re talking about, it really do be like that
True. I implore people to rewatch many MCU movies because trust me, the humor is not as bad as dweebs on the internet make it out to be.
You just know what Jeremy said about the Chadwick Boseman's tribute flipbook logo is disingenuous since he sinned the Stan Lee tribute flipbook logo during Captain Marvel.
He's trying so hard to be PC. White guys don't count in his eyes.
CinemaSins when people who are grieving can have moments of levity, a super genius can figure out how to perfect something she's been working on for over a year and Black people have their own culture: 😧 SIN
"Jeremy points out boner. Also, if your dick is shaped like that, I feel sorry for the women that have to deal with this. I mean, you're not touching any walls with that thing."
Birdman, destroying Jeremy since 2018 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So Shuri can't synthesize an herb she's worked at for years, but Erskine in the 1940s could create a serum that could mimic the herb to a fantastic extent (implied possibly he used something from Wakanda to do it) without 1/8th of the power she has to do it.
Let's not forget this same formula that bruce banner tried to attempt to make with the power of gamma radiation as part of the catalyst to make a super soldier created the hulk.
It took a decade for Erskine to perfect the serum.
He began developing it in the 1930s and perfected it in the 40s.
Shuri only began working on recreating the herb in 2016. Two years pass and the events of Infinity War happen and she turns into dust.
She comes back in 2023 (late 2023, October) and she resumes her work. Then 2024 rolls around and T'Challa dies before the events of FFH.
She stops working on the herb after her brother's death and makes the Midnight Angels as a possible replacement until the events of this movie in 2025
2016-2018; 2 years
Late 2023-2024; less than a year
It took Erskine 10 years to make the serum, while it took Shuri less than 3 (since we're not counting the 5 years she was gone)
It took a shorter time for her to make the herb; FASTER than Erskine.
I see no issue here.
And when was it implied that the serum was made from an ingredient that originated from Wakanda? That's simply a theory (that would be cool if proven true)
But it was never implied his serum had a key ingredient from Wakanda. The best we know is that a green substance was given to Erskine, as revealed in season 7 of AoS, and even then the specifics of what it actually is still isn't given.
@@Cinemabu11 Howard Stark says they made a deal with Wakanda and got Vibranium out of it, and the cartoons have shown Peggy Carter and Howard working with T'Challa's grandfather in missions, with comparisons between the Black Panther and Captain America being made.
@dking1037 T'Chaka giving vibranium to Howard Stark is a theory.
Officially, in the MCU wiki, as well as a tie-in prequel comic, Howard was presenting vibranium at one point and said that he had a team of researchers locate vibranium in deepest Africa.
The meteorite that hit Wakanda broke off into smaller pieces and some of those pieces landed in other areas that were in areas somewhat close to Wakanda, but far enough for Howard's research team to not get spotted by the Dora Milaje
And T'Challa's grandfather, Azzuri, was never introduced as a proper character in the MCU
What's this cartoon that involves Stark and Peggy helping them? Because I'm pretty sure it's not connected to the MCU because nothing involves them helping Wakanda in any way
I found the show: Avengers Assemble.
That show is not a part of the MCU. It was never stated to be connected, and it wouldn't make sense, as Howard Stark had a grandson, Arno Stark who would fight Kang
That hasn't happened in the MCU, as currently the MCU takes place in 2025.
And Stark had a daughter, not a son
Sin 33: Shuri saved Ross’s life in the previous Black Panther movie, so she would be the perfect person to talk to him.
27:22 And in the comics,she saw it as an achievement,which is why Bast didn't give her the powers of the black panther,until she protected her people nobly, despite the lack of powers.
24:28 That reminded me of thpse who complain the Mario movie is sexist because THE BAD GUY is a stalker. Has any of those people actually watched a movie before? I think not, otherwise they would know that doing bad, repugnant and despicable things is what bad guys DO.
That was a really cool bit of trivia about mutates and mutants, I didn't know that there was a difference - never really thought about it truth be told.
I’m only at 8:45 and already this is my favorite EWW video. all of the references and cuts in the video are making it for me🤣🤣
21:49 bro sounds like trump, "their all evil, their eating the cats and dogs" - CinemaSins
Part of the reason black panther died was the actor entered a state that makes it difficult to act, they didn’t feel that it was right to recast him so they made a new script, sinning that is just sad
5:38 correction: the French CAN fight, but only if their opponents are other French people.
Man. Cinema Sins did need some roasting on this one. Good job Birdman.
Damn you're slaughtering him today.
As always: brilliant! Thank you for continuing to tear these ass-hats down. I appreciate you, dude.
Just discovered your channel... Breath of fresh air
UA-cam is a much better place with you here, Birdman. You bring a perspective to things that I don't really get anywhere else. As a fellow black man, it fills me with a combo of happiness, pride and immense respect.
At one moment it was just like i heard a tropic thunder. I understood that reference and it puts a smile on my face 😃 Thank you as always for an awesome video🤗
Th3birdman really went off on this one...for the culture!
Omg thank you so much for calling this guy out on simple things like knowing how lore works you’re awesome 😎
You're pretty good with accents 😂
2:25
the whole thing about "my nation has more soldiers than this land has blades of grass",,, it's so clearly a metaphor. it's just "my army is so incomprehensibly big, here, have a metaphor explaining how screwed you are if we end up fighting a war"
5:08 I was about to say,”How do you wake up dead.” But you beat me to it
For a good example of mutant vs mutate - Wolverine is a mutant. His powers come from the genetic expression of the X-Gene that he had at birth. Deadpool is a mutate, his powers come from the introduction of Wolverine's genetics into his body. Those genetic markers do not naturally exist in Wade Wilson's body, they were introduced by an outside force.
People who complain about how a "magic metal" made wakanda so advanced need to look up what Lithium is used for and were it comes from
That UK accent spot on, I couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂😂
CinemaSins is always so forced and convoluted. I'm so glad someone is dedicated to pointing this out. Great work!
"You're like a white girl in a horror movie, tripping over nothing".... DEAD