A Critique of Black Panther: The Most Overrated Marvel Movie Of All time
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2020
- A breakdown of the 3 most severe writing issues that plague Black Panther in order of Least damaging to most damaging.
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The actors showed up but the writers didn't.
It shows. Especially when you see the extras.
Good summary. They cast was ready to make something great and they were handed crap
True, the actors made the movie for the fans
A lot of great actors to . I was really disappointed with black panther..
So lazy was the writing they write in screens from the lion King
Idk, this wasn’t Michael B. Jordans best…
I hate how the movie didn’t showcase his intelligence.
Real. He's on Tony Stark/Reed Richards levels but yet his sister seems to be the only one in Wakanda that knows how to use technology
Black Panther T'Challa was considered one of the smartest people in the comics.
Even Amadeus Cho who has a mind of a hyper computer and is the 8th smartest person acknowledged T'Challa is smarter, evidently they didn't showcase his intelligence because wokeness
@@enderpearl9887why would that be wokeness when u don't even know what that word means 🤦🏽♀️
They ignored a lot of his character traits.
I'm not sure you know what it means@@timbirdie8180
as a black man, I very much agree with this review, and screw the woke idiots that cry racism everytime someone criticizes this film
Bro the cgi is literally the only down side....yall let people take ONE of the most entertaining films and reduce it to speed and cgi.
@@spiritualatom2535 have you watched the video?
@@alupha_216 yea no anger or hate just saying what another of people do when it comes to bp
@@spiritualatom2535 I’m alright with the cgi
as a black man your an idiot you always be black to this people you are trying to impress i do not like this movie too but i hate niggas like you the most this coon shit if you were really black you would understand the symbolism and what it meant to your people but nah you probably sexually harrass white women and are alergic to watermelon you probably dont even wash your feet anymore.
Thought I was the only one who thought this movie was WAY too overrated.
Your Not the Only One.
True his civil war appearance had more substance to it I rather see that repeatedly than his own movie......
Civil War was a generic revenge plot for him. I'm glad they went in a different direction for the movie because you can't do the vengeance thing forever.
@@thembanitheone Go cry somewhere else. The revenge thing has been done in the Marvel comics n da movie for years now. It helps give these characters growth
@@I-speak-U-shut-it Why would I cry when the movie gave me the direction I wanted for the character? That's why characterization is key, T'Challa isn't Batman or the Punisher... the need for vengeance isn't core to his being. He's usually depicted as wise, stoic even spiritual all qualities fitting for a king or leader of a nation, not just a vigilante superhero.
Agreed
That's the MCU in a nutshell. The characters are so badass and cool in other movies, but then they are crapped on by the writers in their own movie.
I think they explained that “poor village” at the outskirts of Wakanda. Mainly for frontline defense, iirc. I was pretty underwhelmed with Black Panther as well.
The "development contrast" between urban areas and rural areas is not all that unrealistic here in Africa. He showed Johannesburg, South Africa. Maybe also show a side by side comparison of a rural village in the same South Africa. And even in urban areas, there are slums and squatter camps in and around Johannesburg.
@@thembanitheone you should say this in a main comment so that the creator can see
@@thembanitheone Thats a good point, but my issue is more so the movies not making any of these things clear when there was so much to explain and explore. Wakanda could have been amazing
So in all their technological abundance, Wakanda can't evolve its poor past mud huts? How's that supposed to work?
@@thembanitheoneYa but having slums right next to your advanced privileged mega cities is almost always evidence of a corrupt dictatorship. Especially when the rich elite are enjoying flying cars and the rest of the place lives a pre industrialized agrarian life. Comes off like north Korea.
For a character that's so rooted in an advanced society with vibranium bulit into its core, the trial to be king by combat seems very primitive. I mean, what's stopping any foreigner from just barging in and Gunning T'challa down? It could literally be the Sith, where sith murder each other for more power. Just food for thought
Whats to stop them from challenging killmonger right after he won when he was tired. How is killmonger the first person person to try sometime like this. Makes no sense
Kind of the point of the movie man. Not to get too hung up on tradition.
Everything is tribal and primitive. Its a joke.
@@jedibrooks7235 It’s an honor ritual, passed down through generations. That’s why it’s so old-fashioned and, at least most, people typically won’t challenge the king of their nation who’s already undergone lots of real-world combat experience as the black panther. That’s practically a guaranteed death sentence. Besides that, running an entire nation is also a very large responsibility: no reason for anyone to want that burden on themselves unless they already led one of the tribes, or were blinded by pride.
@@milkshakedraws6944 Just because its old, doesn't mean its a good thing. There are countless examples of people with NO leadership experience suddenly becoming say Vice President, which still doesn't address Jedi's point: Leadership through Physical combat is a sh*tty primitive custom that can be taken advantage of by someone weaker and unqualified for leadership.
As a Nigerian, I've seen movies with this script too many times, it seems like a shit nollywood movie with CGI, it's really disappointing.
Even the CGI isnt that great. Watch the last fight, yuck.
@@abbacartoons and the rhino🤢
It's a character and movie aimed at black US-Americans. That's why we never really see any African nations outside of Wakanda, but it goes on and on about colonialism despite Wakanda (like Aethiopia) never having been colonised by Europeans, so isn't it kind of... hypocritical? Also, it ignores any migrations, intra-African land taking and wars among African ethnic groups and tribes centuries before Europeans even made their way south of the Sahara.
When I found out my all time favourite comic book character was not only getting an MCU appearance but his own solo movie to boot I was over the moon. I saw the movie when it came out with these goggles on and loved it. Only after a lot of repeated viewings did I realise that there's a lot of things that don't hold up. T'Chaka choosing to off his brother was dumb, he is actually shown disarming him first so the death blow was unnecessary. T'Chaka's reason for covering up the murder....dumb.... anyone with more than 2 neurons to fire could tell he acted out of self-defence and should the truth of the circumstances become known to the public, Wakanda would clearly love to see a traitor's blood spilled... royalty or not. Leaving a young Erik is the most egregious one.
Furthermore, with what I know about Wakandans from their tech in comic books and in the MCU, there is absolutely no way Klaue could have escaped with a shitload of vibranium AND remained undetected and roaming around for an entire 30 YEARS. Why do they even have War Dogs if they can't track, down and eliminate an enemy of the state. Also M'Baku is kind of a good guy, Nakia is a good guy, W'Kabi is ultimately a bad guy.... all of which are different from the comics. It's a decent outing, not the best. Killmonger cutting the Dora's throat was coolly cruel and cunning. If only there was actual blood so that scene didn't look fake as shit. CGI was awful at some points. Definitely overrated.
You know that scene when T'Challa's sister flipped him off? When I saw that in the theaters with my mom I thought it was a very disrespectful thing to do. I understand that it was a play as annoying siblings but at the end of the day that's still your king. I also didn't like the scene where W'Kabi was on his knees. Images convey a message and that message was not something I enjoyed.
All those were kick the dog moments, with killmonger they wanted to really make him evil as they could, because he was so damn cool it would be easy to rout for him. And as for plot points, and stupid decisions. Well that's so the movie can happen. They have so many angels and ideas x not to mention dealing with the whole mcu stupid and unrealistic things are gonna happen. Just lay back it the illusion of disbelief
Wakanda allowed African slavery to happen. I just could not buy into the mess.
Which is why T'Challa called them all out and said they were wrong about everything and that is what caused that mess. Klaw had inside help from T'Chaka's brother to get the vibranium. I feel like some of you didnt pay attention to the movie.
@@leesnell6310 Are you talking about the major plot holes and lack of believability of the movie?? Yeah....hard to pay attention when the movie is just whacko.
Now i have the very same opinion on this film nowadays you can't dislike a movie starring an black actor without it being racism i get it racism is a real thing it's very hurtful but you don't need to call a person racist just because he didn't liked a movie with black actors and everybody treated this as an revolutionary superhero movie and act as if that was the first time ever happening when you have Blade sitting right over there!
My channel is literally for people lile you. Come on in
Blade wasn’t even the first black superhero Michael Jai White as Spawn came out before Blade
@Emanuel Gabriel Popa
Word, I too like the film, but have my qualms with it. But it's like us black folks aren't allowed to criticize this film, but see as a display of "black pride."
Joke's on these corporate schmucks as my black pride resides in my personal capabilities and accomplishments, not my skin color.
Plus why stop at Blade when we had Spawn, Steel, and Meteor Man(an original hero sure, but that's better)...? Those films came to mind when I heard that "first black hero" B.S. when this film came out.
But going back to being unable to criticize this film, it's that conformist hive-mind bullcrap. I call it "mental enslavement" since they can't put us in physical chains, so they chain our minds instead. But I'll honest in that I'm being jaded AF.
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 True, but so was Steel(DC) with Shaq, also 1997.
Steel was barely watchable, and while Spawn was an okay movie, it had enough bad elements that everyone just decided to forget it and only remember the animated spawn show with Keith David.
(I'm not saying the Spawn movie should be ignored, I agree it was sooner then Blade,, I'm just saying it wasnt the breakout movie people look toward)
Blade was the first successful comic book movie with a Black lead, and the movie was almost universally liked. There was no absurd notion that someone black couldn't be a lead superhero 20 years ago when Blade came out, Blade and Blade II were financial successes and Blade has a large cult following, so the MCU was basically gaslighting their audience .
Well why give a negative opinion lik this for one and the most overrated who decideds that. Couldn't you say hat any super hero movie is operated? Maybe neagite reviews are not opines tha are needed
Eric didn't even have that good a plan, what if T'chala just decided not to take his challenge, what then?? He went to Wakanda alone with no reinforcements. After killing all the allies the movie gave him.
T'chala is aware of the pain of having your father killed for reasons that have nothing to do with you, and the burning desire for revenge, which is what drove his actions in Civil War, I wish the movie could have given him a shot at a heartfelt conversation with Eric about how revenge would consume him the same way it once nearly consumed him.
T'chala meets his cousin and decided immediately that he hated him, he couldn't see past all that anger to see a scared and hurt little boy who just needed to be told he was right to be angry. But again he is angry at all the wrong people, the one person responsible for his father's death is dead already why is he still angry?
Problem is, our villain is either stupid or unreasonable, because all that happened is that his father was killed and so now he is mad at, I guess white people (and their children), who by the way weren't responsible for his father's death. T'chala as a side character in civil war had a better story than the main villain in Black Panther.
I love how in Black Panther 2 the super duper technologically advanced shields are activated and deactivated by banging on a drum... Thats not stereotypical at all. And how the hell did Namor and his army swim to Wakanda? Their country is land locked. They would've had to walk for miles and miles across heavily forested land and mountains... And how did Namor and his army get through the shields without anybody noticing, but Thanos and his army couldnt get through?
Food for thought
Civil War black panther was the reason I wanted to watch black panther. I was kinda disappointed to find that Okoye and Nakia were the interesting ones.
All I have to say is thank you for this. I remember when this came out EVERYONE acted like this was the best thing they'd ever seen; an Oscar worthy marvel film. And I just felt confused and underwhelmed. I can't watch Civil War anymore because it makes me hate this movie evne more.
I know your pain very well. Check out my channel and see if anything else catchs your eye
no, ya clueless numbnut!
everyone acted and celebrated the movie as a cultural phenomenon, which IT WAS.
got nothing to do with how it was a movie. pretty sure, most people who loved it also didn't think it was a masterpiece...it IS a good film...but, how good it is as a film wasn't THE ONLY reason it was beloved and gotten all the accolades, including the Oscars.
but, d*mba$ses like U...kept thinking that a movie's merit's the only way a movie could and should be nominated for awards.
Coogler sure dropped a couple of balls..the movie's NOT perfect...but, overall...it's certainly NOT the godawful U haters tend to view it either.
the Black Panther in Civil War was tight what the character was in this film was a watered down joke of that character which is noticed from the first 10 minutes
Panyo pako
I think this how T’Challa is now after finding out he almost fucked up big time by murdering an innocent man in his revenge nd rage filled state
Erik talks all the time about being opressed, however he's a renowed engineer on MIT with a masters degree (if i remember right), a condecorated navy seal, he is extremely successeful from any stand point, most likely top 10% low balling. Yet he holds a grudge to the society that allowed him to succed with no dad, no mom as far as we know. He worked hard, no doubt, however, anywhere else in the world and he'd be screwed, specially if his dad took him to any Wakandan neighbour countries, or asia, or south america, and Tchaka killed him there. He wants to take over the structure that allowed him to succed. I'd understand if he wanted Wakanda to burn as revenge, but the motivation they gave us makes no sense.
I'm sorry, but it's not HIM who's oppressed, it's other black people.
I think Killmonger doesn’t see himself as oppressed but people that look like him not named Wakandan
Because Disney /Marvel marketed this movie on racial identity only. Message over story. I would've rewritten 2 characters into 1. I would've written Kilmonger to have been raised with T'Challa & let him also become the White Wolf character from the comics, instead of giving the title to Bucky.
so this white wolf guy is different from winter soldier?
@@xaevius5319
The white wold in the comics is a separate being who is pretty much the general of the military and one of the closest people to the thrown. Last time i checked he was weaker then black panther by a good bit but has more experience and combat practice with his vibrainium. He often is used as an enemy for black panther wanting different ideals
Jedi Brooks:"Why does Disney hate Andy Cercis?"
Me:"Oh wow, so I'm not the only one asking that? Because I've been asking that for five years now."
I'm pretty sure he killed claw so he could bring him back to Wakanda and show he is more competent than T'Challa. This act gets him the support of the Rhino army at least.
that whole "30 years he's never been caught thing" is a bs plot hole so "showing he's more competent" is kind of a mute plot point. they should've just somehow made a way for killmonger to know get out guy wants gollum's head so that's why he killed him so he looks good in get out guy's eyes
The way they wrote this movie, even before Boseman’s death, told me they were about to make this franchise all about women. Look at how all the women treat him as their so called king and then look at how he got embarrassed by Killmonger. This told me they were going to make black panther 2 more about Shuri and the Dora Milage. Now that bp2 is out it looks like that came true
Not really, the original plot for the Black Panther sequel was to revolve around T'Challa's relationship with his son whom he never met because he was dusted.
@@EclipsingTNT so they were gonna make him an absentee father, jeez not much better
@@erievhsHe was only absent because he was dead for five years.
@@EclipsingTNT still way overdone and they already did that with Ant-Man, to randomly introduce him having a son just to make him an absentee father is beyond lame,
@@erievhsit was going to be a father and son movie not an absentee one 🤦🏽♀️ what was he supposed to do not get snapped, hes aBsEnTeE🤦🏽♀️
As an MCU fan, and someone who was also a Marvel fan Pre-MCU, and already liked the character Black Panther, I was excited for the movie for all of the above reasons, but I was very disappointed, and this video perfectly explains why, and why I never cared to watch the movie a second time. I often hear people like my sister call Marvel movies "predictable," but even I, someone who loves the MCU, thought that this movie was very predictable and had no essence to it. I put Black Panther in the same rank of a tasteless MCU film as Iron Man 2 and Captain Marvel.
Killmonger killing his girlfriend made all sympathy for him null, and a hypocrite considering the catalyst for how he became who he is. And yet the movie still tries to paint him as a sympathetic misunderstood soul, because oppression or whatever. Fucking amazing.
My biggest problem with the movie was that scene too. Wow i thought i was the only one.
A mastermind, who seemed amazing at figuring things out destroys two important assets. That makes no sense.
It is such lazy writing. In order to show a "bad" guy you have to make him a murderer. It's the biggest reason why so many GMs can't do evil campaigns. Evil doesn't mean mass murderer.
The movie could have made the magical bullcrap fruit only compatible with rare genetic abnormalities, which T'challa and KiLlMOngeR both have, the first pair of panthers in centuries, with KiLlMOngeR being not as compatible with it as T'challa, and went insane, or something. The potential is limitless!
Smart idea
Probably the best review of this movie I've seen
Thank you i really appreciate that
THANK YOU.
I've said this since the start. Sadly, when people hear criticism of a movie they like but don't actually know why they like it, they tend to tune out.
It was an entertaining movie sure, but what makes me criticize it is the fact that it could have been so much better with a little thought behind the writing.
Because its simiral mess to Black Cleopatra bs, shielded from "racism" which is any form of criticism.
Tiny change to the end: Killmonger says the thing about Wakandan sunsets and dies. Cut to his grave being near a cliffside with a view of the sunset.
The fact the writers focused exclusively on Black communities and colonialism when Wakanda is literally surrounded by various nations that have people that need Wakanda more than any black community in the west ever will told me *everything* about them and their worldview.
It’s exactly why I absolutely loath Killmonger. He’s not revolutionary fighting for his people or symbol of the black struggle; he’s petty, selfish, vindictive, genocidal psychopath that wants to watch the world burn for perceived sights against him that aren’t actually there.
my favourite part of the movie is a teenage girl scientist sole worker of the lab, responsible for all vibranium innovations, without supervision.. genius who makes jokes about the sneakers.
You ain't wrong. I thought this movie was highly overrated. I liked it, but it wasn't that good.
I liked the first 20 minutes then it all fell apart.
@@jedibrooks7235 I never liked this character but I was willing to give it a chance. In the end I didn't like this movie. The one comic book I loved that year was Deadpool 2. I thought it was funny , emotional , & action packed. I was always more of a Deadpool fan than I was a Black Panther fan.
T'Challa staged a cup d'etat against the rightful king of Wakanda. We should not forget this. T'Challa is a usurper. I know both the film and the fans tries to convince us that no, Killmonger technically never won, but he did. And you know what. That's ok. That's what the movie should have been. T'Challa losing the throne legitimately. He and Wakanda is all about the importance of tradition, all the way through. That makes T'Challa and other characters not really being characters: they don't make their own choices and decisions, they just adhere to the traditions.
I think that it's good that when Killmonger wins, all these people (his family and closes friends) claiming they're all about tradition doesn't accept it. They should, their morals tell them to revere the traditions, but they can't. Same with T'Challa who have to accept that he has to break traditions and honor their culture to stop a dangerous man even he has the right to to it. The stuff about "he was never dead so it's ok" should only be used as a "History is written by the victors" afterwards to downplay the coup, but T'Challa and his family should know that he is an usurper.
This would do two things: 1. T'Challa would see that while traditions and culture are very important values, sometimes you can't just depend on them, you have to break them and make your own decisions. Character development. 2. T'Challa would always know in the back of his head that he overthrew a rightful king and stole the throne, and the movies and stories could use that in the future to make him doubt himself, his decisions, and is he really a good person.
Compared to Wakanda Forever this is a masterpiece
This movie was okay but absolutely nothing else, all it succeeded at was not being shit but that by default doesn't make it an amazing flawless movie and I'm tired of people who put it up there with Winter Soldier which has by far the best fight scenes and choreography in the entire series. This movie had rubbery crappy CGI Black Panther models you could hardly tell apart bashing in to each other.
And the story itself is just...entirely standard.
Okay so a few points:
1. i think Civil War made T'Challa a little soft and weak. His father had just died and after engaging with foreign powers he managed to forgive his killer(s). I imagine it was quite a taxing experience. To finally be home is where he can relax, and not have to be a brooding mysterious warrior-king all the time.
2. He HAD to accept the trial by combat. You can't have royal bloodline with a legitimate claim sitting around whilst you've barely been King yourself. One who also brought the #1 most wanted man to justice on entrance.
If he didn't deal with it then and there, he'd be spitting on tradition and rights, and he'd face more problems down the line. The fact that Erik could build a loyal army immediately AFTER killing T'Challa will tell you how easy it would be for him to sow dissent or start a coup years down the line.
3. Technology and Wakanda. I think that's literally the point, not bad writing. They use an amalgum of super duper tech and "primitive" tech. It shows the folly of their society. Why does T'Challa accept the duel? Why does Wakanda do duels to decide who is king? Because tradition is their downfall. They're a society built upon tribal/medieval systems with potential for great power.
That's a massive theme.
For comparison, the iconic British Guard (the Queen/King's guard) regiments stationed outside Westminster still wear bright red uniforms with no body armour and huge, bearskin hats both hot and heavy. They're entrusted with the safety of our monarch, and they're trained soldiers, but they still stick to tradition at their own cost like say, the Dora Milaje (or whatever Wakanda's guard is called).
4. Why not share their tech? Again, a MASSIVE theme for the BP movies. Wakanda is protectionist and isolated. They do not trust foreigners with their tech. T'Challa didn't even trust the Avengers, he simply used them for his means in Civil War. Vibranium is what makes them powerful and they're not going to part with it for any reason (its implied that stark was given wakanda tech for his suit in infinity war btw). This plot point ties in well with Erik's motives. You could literally argue the same with Tony Stark. Dude has invented free and clean energy with the arc reactor. So why do people still live in poverty? Why is he not giving away his technology to everybody? Same reason. Its power and its dangerous which is why he told the gov to stick it up his ass.
5. T'Chaka might have had unseen issues that required him to "maintain the lie". Not only would it sully his name, but Kings are not always safe. This is a tribal society that functions on blodline & "might is right". You only have to look at history to show us that kings that are not popular with the people do not last long. Him killing his own brother might've been seen as him knocking down a rival or could've sowed seeds of dissent. Monarchies are complex and full of bloodline technicalities that have resulted in countless genocides and Civil wars.
Granted, this could've benefitted from some better writing/exposition.
Agree:
Yes, the CG sucked ass. Some of the anti-west themes are so on the nose its annoying. Erik had some decent motivation but basically boiled down to just being an angry racist who conflates skin colour with culture. His motivation was kinda whack, and the amount of people calling him "not bad" or justifying his planned genocide are shockingly high.
And whilst I'll admit it has plenty of issues with writing I still think you're harsh on some of these points I've numbered.
Idk how (actually i do) this got liken 90% on rotten tomatoes etc. BP2 was actually dogwater tho with all the issues of BP1 and none of the charm.
Well said
The movie showed devastating effects black on black violence and the absence of family support can do to orphan kid, and showed that how much damage such a child could cause growing up. This is the most important message the movie tried to tell the audience.
Was that their idea or something we told ourselves that they didn't think about
@@abhijithis9424 exactly. these people try to make their own meaning and their own headcanons and stuff and tricking themselves into thinking that the movie did that and not them on their own
Why does it have to be black on black violence all violence is devastating to someone
I can believe they were 'trying' to accomplish that. I do not believe they succeeded. Especially since they took their clearly intelligent, patient, and ruthless while also compassionate character (the victim of the real atrocities your describing above) and turned him into a raging, petulant child with no real, intelligent plan for long-term success in overcoming those atrocities, both for himself and others. Kill Monger deserves better than that.
I do agree that the movie is extremely overrated, but I have to disagree with your analysis of Killmonger's story. You brought up a lot of points about things that "didn't make sense", the first of which being the fact that Killmonger kills his girlfriend and Klaw. You said that this contradicts Killmonger's role as a sympathetic villain, but does it really? There are PLENTY of villains with sympathetic, even understandable backgrounds that still do bad things in spite of it. They are called sympathetic VILLAINS for a reason. Killmonger is not a saint, the movie never tries to portray him as one. The movie is portraying him as a villain who has an almost just cause but takes very brutal and violent means to get it. That doesn't ruin his character, it builds it. It is establishes him as the "do ends justify the means" character which they intended. He is sympathetic but also does bad things, which is a defining trait that most if not ALL symathetic villains possess.
Additionally, yes, what T'Chaka does makes no sense and was a bad decision, but T'Challa and the movie both make a point of this. The whole point of T'Chaka's bad decision was that it was idiotic. It caused Killmonger to grow up into a monster, and it caused T'Challa to question the integrity and leadership of the monarchy(note the scene where he literally yells "ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG" in the spiritual plane). T'Chaka was not wrong JUST to "push the plot", T'Chaka was wrong because that IS the plot. That IS the conflict. His lack of foresight IS what caused all these issues in the first place, and the movie makes a point of the fact that he was wrong for doing so. T'Challa spends the movie trying to write this wrong, and THAT is the central conflict. Characters making bad decisions or choices that make no sense does not mean the writing doesnt make sense, it just means the characters dont
I 100 percent agree that Black Panther has many issues and is one of if not the most overrated marvel movies ever, but I just wanted to point out that small issue I had with your argument on Killmonger's character arc. Great video nontheless.
I thought the movie was boring and badly written
I saw this movie in the theatre and I was seriously entertained. But it absolutely does not hold up, because the script, the character motivations, and the CGI are terrible once you notice it. It's a real shame, because there are so many good actors in the movie giving their best. It's a movie riddled by missed opportunities. Just one example: Claw is killed off for no reason in an ambush. If they really wanted to have him killed, let Killmonger fight him in his best gear. As it is, this buffed up guy kills off a middle aged man with one arm. The whole opening of the movie is pointless. Killmonger can just go back, show his tattoo, expose the dark past and the scandal, and challenge the king in this ritual fight. He doesn't need the vibranium axe. He just needs a plane ticket.
I do really love the movie as it's one of my favorites, but I did feel that people held it too high at times
T'Chala confronting T'Chaka i thought for sure was gonna reveal that Eric was the bastard son of T'Chaka & like you say, he was a different man back then who learned how to be a good man & better king in honor of his dead brother & illegitimate son.
For years I'm too scared to call out Killmonger as a terrible character, I'm glad I found this video
Bro I was so annoyed when they killed klaw since he was such a fun villain and we had been waiting 3 years since his intro in age of ultron
Bro you’ve easily just gained another subscriber. I’m glad someone made a video on Black Panther and wasn’t afraid of criticizing this movie
Who is afraid of criticizing this?,because no should be afraid a lot of people dont care if you like this movie or not, i think you're just creating a boogy man where there isn't one
How does tchalla survive getting beaten almost to death and falling off a waterfall
Ice bath bro! Cures everything lol. No seriously wtf was that.
P L O T
How does Batman survive getting punched by Superman, Wonder Woman or battered by Deathstroke...at least T'Challa had the Wakandan version of the Super Soldier Serum in his body, which we can argue still argumented his body at least somewhat. Batman, on the other hand, is truly JUST a human, and survives things that even no fictional comicbook human character should.
The "Script" has spoken...
He was wearing a certain type of armour made of ink.
one of my most hated parts of the movie is not tchallas recklesness as that can be eyplained as his pride (he is known as prideful character even though he is really wise which IMO always made him as very compelling and iteresting character, because he felt real). what i do hate is how my favourite thing about him was tossed aside and made irrelevant and non-existent, and that is his silent and wise nature, avengers earths mighitest heroes have great portrail of him. they could have just implemented some elements from that and he would be perfect. and i KNOW its not chadwicks fault because irl he gave of that same vibe
He really did though. He even stayed silent about his cancer battle while people were making fun of his appearance. RIP King, which he truly was
@@sabir1208 exactly. Plus its not that simple to make a "show rather than tell" characters that are silent but important, but I believe given the right script he couldve pulled that off better than most. But wishful thinking is pointless, lets be thankful for having some amazing material he made to watch whenever we want
I really really want to hear your take on the second one, the one I call Disney’s extended ad for potential streaming material. 😂
Totally agree the Avengers should have all had vibranium suits after he joined. The plant explanation in the comics is actually really cool, it acts as a conduit threw which their goddess Bast judges them and actualizes a blessing. One of the other things that bothers me though is how the movie treats Killmongers victory over T’challa as illegitimate he lost fair and square and without outside interference t’challa would have died. Great breakdown really enjoyed it!
He never officially joined the Avengers
Using your logic they should also have iron man suits.
Jedi Brooks, if you arent writing scripts yourself, you could def. Be. an editor or script supervisor. Youve got an insight and ability for understanding characters and motivations that is sorely needed in film these days. Good luck to you, hope you turn this you tube thing into something bigger.
A part of what ruined the film for me was the way everyone hyped it up. To me it was decent, but kinda an average Marvel movie. But my expectations for it were sooooo high because of how everyone carried on. Because of that, I was just suuuper disappointed when I left the theatre. I think people were overhyped by the spectacle, so the bad writing wasn't even noticed.
If you pay attention to his character design and backstory, Stan Lee based Black Panther off a composite of Batman (he originally had a cape, ) and Cat Woman.
Jack Kirby was the one who majorly worked on it
All this film did was reaffirm what we already knew about t'challah there was no point in those stupid duels with his "powers" removed and the god awful final battle.
I always said this movie should have been set as a prequel to Civil War with T'Chaka handing over the mantle of Black Panther and Killmonger challenges for it as he did. The crux of the movie should have been opening Wakanda versus Wakanda going militant.
It’s literally one of those movies where you watch it and say “its alright but it’s not winning any Oscars” but somehow it still did
I wish you could do more scene comparison videos.
This was amazing 🔥🔥🔥
Depends on what terms of overrated it goes to.
Overrated in a good way?
Overrated in a bad way?
I have said the same. The movie was way overrated and people were afraid to criticize it.
lol the fact a black character said “then why did you run” was hilarious
Damn… I never thought about half of these points you’ve made. I always thought I just missed something when it came to the events between civil war and bp 1…
They definitely could’ve done better. Great video❤
...and Killmonger drops off Claw to the guy from 'Get Out'"
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That's where I know him from!
Been enjoying your videos since the ROP critiques. Glad I found your channel.
In Civil War he had a suit that gave him power. When he fought in the movie Black Panther he was without his suit, thus it’s believable that he loses the fight against killmonger who was on his own all his life.
Your detailed breakdown of film and stories is something not to overlook
I remember going to see this movie in the theater to see why it was getting so much praise but thinking “ that’s it” after it was over.
The hype this movie got when it came out was absurd. This film is an absolute joke compared to something like The Dark Knight. It is just another generic Marvel movie that got praise heaped on it because of its black cast, it doesn't do anything cinematically different compared to the plethora of movies that Marvel was pumping out at that time
In South Africa, the media gave away and formed charities to give away tickets to poor black children ... it was so overboard and I hope they are embarrassed looking back but I doubt it.
Pink panther FTW LOL
May as well call him flowerman would make more sense lol
Well at least it's still better than Wakanda Forever
This just felt like a film made for people who never read a history book or travelled in their life.
Their depiction of African culture felt so shallow, superficial and forced, just for the sake of getting "mainstream" points, I felt like they were trying to show that Wakanda is a utopian society where everyone is always happy and gets along solely because they're traditional tribal Africans, or because they have a lot of wealth from the Vibranium (because money solves all problems of a society).
All ruling class interactions were soft as fuck and the writing very lazy in that regard. There is a ruling class that has 100% control over all the Vibranium in the world, the head of the state has strong control over the ruling class, and their loyalty, and all one has to do to become the leader of this state is kill the king in a fair 1 on 1 battle, more then that, the king can fight multiple battles in a row.
To recap, the city lives in harmony, and no one takes over the ruling class, it's just not believable with such soft ruling, it ruins all believability of this, the only reason given for this stability and harmony is because tribal Africans are just peaceful(?).
I mean try to think of this exact starting situation in a better written universe, for example game of thrones.
I enjoyed it but yes it wasn't the script. I think Michael B Jordan & Andy Serkis made the most of what they were given. I would've loved more of them in the future but they killed them off.
I don't know about that, I didn't like the movie, but when Endgame came out you couldn't say it wasn't the greatest movie ever made or people would threaten to kill you. It wasnt until three months later that 'honest trailers' came out with some pretty good criticisms that the sheen came off. I think marvel is pretty happy when that happens. The Black Panther was similar, I think for a lot of people it was just basically the 'representation', there was simply no admitting that black people were around except as less powerful sidekicks, which is what black people have been in ALL movies, cop movies, war movies, and War Machine is Iron Mans less smart sidekick and Falcon is CA's less strong sidekick. So representation does mean something, it happens when a rural based show comes on because people just like to see 'people like them'.
But to my thinking, it seemed almost racist to claim that while this society was technologically advanced, POLITICALLY they remained backward and even tribally savage. The 'lesson' is that they may have technology, but 'at heart' are savages who pick leaders by fighting to the death, they don't even have a MIDIEVAL form of government, its literally like how animals determine a leader. So that was pretty awful, but I saw nobody even mentioning it. When they go to war, well gee, of course you are going to make weapons that look like spears and have a war chant, something virtually no military would do today for obvious reasons. But again, its representation.
As one of the biggest fans of the Black Panther source material watching Wakanda depicted in Infinity War and Endgame was heart-breaking. You're telling me T'Challa doesn't have an air force or formal army with tanks and heavy artillery???My dude the King of Wakanda was literally standing around watching Rhodey bomb the shit out of the aliens (as any military strategist would do) while he charges at them with metal spears and wooden clubs. You couldn't have Shuri whip up an attack chopper in her spare time to idk defend the country from an invasion? As a fan of BP and afro-futurism in general I was frankly insulted.
@@thembanitheone Even beginning in Civil War the idea was that at the UN Wakanda had to be apologized to because the avengers had an operation in a different african country. And since Wakanda has all this technology then I"m guessing they are to blame for Africa's problems today? Otherwise why apologize to them? Or else its the old american joke that americans don't know geography until they attack a place "Sorry for what happened in Nigeria your highness". "Hmmm, should I tell her Africa is a pretty big goddam place and thats a whole different country?
In reality of course the African nations have numerous intercontinental military and political organizations that exist much like NATO, but nah, just a bunch of savages.
I'm not black so I don't make a big deal out of it, I'm not about to be one of those people who tell minorities what they should be insulted by, but that seemed pretty bloodly insulting to me.
But back to repreasentation, I remember Keenan Ivory Wayans telling executives they should put "I'm gonna git you sucka" into more theatres because he pointed out that there literally hadn't been a black movie in twenty years, and that people would go regardless of how good the movie is-they did go, but I thought it was a pretty funny movie.
@@mikearchibald744 The Wakandans in Civil wanted an apology because Wanda accidentally killed a team of Wakandan emissaries who were in that building in Lagos as part of an outreach mission. That for me is weird, because why was there an outreach mission if Wakanda's secrecy and isolationism was top priority at this time in the MCU?
@@thembanitheone Ok, I must have missed that line. My bad. But yes, Marvel never suffers from a lack of plot holes.
Endgame was lazily written also. All else fails,do time travel
This feels good. I have been hating this film ever since I first saw it. Everyone else however seemed to be loving it. Especially critics. I just found it dumb, underwhelming and super boring.
After watching the video: Well, other than you, I DO think that it is a terrible movie from start to finish.
Based on your most recent video, I’m sure you’re at least considering a critique of black panther 2, but I would love to see your take on that movie. Black panther being overrated is an opinion I’ve held pretty much since it came out and I think the sequel is noticeably worse.
ppl hate on me every time i say how massively overrated Black Panther is and that it would absolutely not have been praised at the level it was if it weren't an all black cast.
and don't cry racism bc honestly they're racist and stereotypical as hell to black + African ppl in this movie.
I'm not trying to defend the film, but im pretty sure the lore reason why the magic herbs can't just be given is because it's poison to anyone who's not royal blood. I could be wrong but my source is from the Earths Mightest Heroes.
what a waste of a reason to do a video on.
so CLUELESS.
Why is that? Thats a waste of a comment if you dont care to elaborate....
@@jedibrooks7235 calling the movie OVERRATED is about the dumbest thing and most cliched thing anyone can do AT THIS POINT.
the movie's NEVER been widely considered a masterpiece. it's inarguablly competent..and arguably, GOOD movie.
but, you cannot DENY that it created a cultural PHENOMENA..and a reason for people of color, especially black people, to finally get their "Hollywood blockbuster" treatment.
AND...the movie made a GAZILLION dollars worldwide.
and THAT's why it was nominated for Best Picture.
NOT because it's the gawddang best super hero movie.
NOT because it's the gawddang best movie.
man...Bohemian Rhapsody AND Green Book got nominated in the same year for Best Picture...the latter even WON it.
go make a video about THOSE ridiculousness. that's a time better used.
but, i know u WON'T get clicks for those movies...U just gotta get on the Black Panther bandwagon..ya pathetic predictable hypocrite.
Clueless to what?
Just… please do more. Love your editorial voice.
Is it a good film,? Yes. Does it deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier and the First Iron Man film, and be one of the few superhero movies to be recognised at the Oscars. Hell no!
Well maybe you are right on not liking Tchalla's character shift after civil war. But most of the things you mention here are things that you got plainly wrong. And I know I'm a lot late (as I recently found your channel but I'll still gonna answer them).
1. "Tchalla becoming black panther after Civil war during the first fight scene with MBaku."
No. He was already a black panther before. What we saw on the movie was a ritual which is followed (most probably yearly) where a person of thier tribe can challenge for the mantle of black panther. That's why when MBaku challenged Tchalla he first drank herbs which makes his enhanced Black Panther power disappear. Then after the fight he was given the Black Panther herb again. So that's by his father died with that blast as he didn't possess the power of black panther.
2. "Why Killmonger killed the pilot?"
He wasn't just any pilot. He was Klaue's man so he was a trained criminal/gangster or whatever you want to call him who would've shot Killmonger for attacking Klaue.
3. "Why he shot his girlfriend?"
Klaue was holding her as human shield thinking he cares about her and it was an obvious "if you try to kill me I'll shoot your loved one" scenario. So Killmonger was just making him realise that he doesn't give a single f#ck about that girl. He just used her for his missions and was just making it clear that there's nothing Klaue can do to stop Erik. He doesn't have any leverage over him. And also it shows his character that he can go to any extent to complete his mission.
4."Why he killed Kalue?"
Klaue stole vibranium from Wakanda ( which we saw in Age of ultron) During that process he killed many of the Wakandan people. He was the only criminal who did all these crimes against Wakanda and still roaming freely and not getting caught after many attempts by Wakandans. So Killmonger knew that if he bring Klaue to Wakanda people will take him seriously as the person who did something not their King has been able to do.
5. "Why didn't he killed Klaue many years before?"
Because it isn't like he was with Klaue for all those years. He served in American Navy doing various off the book missions. He contacted Klaue regarding the Vibranium tool in museum which they rob at the start. You can assume most of these just based on their conversation. Then Wakandans knew about stolen Vibranium tool from museum. And Killmonger knew that if Klaue make any deal with another party to sell this item it will again bring Klaue in Wakandan's radar. Tchalla and Okoye went to prevent the same dealing and catch Klaue. Which they failed again. So Killmonger again proved himself more capable by killing Klaue and taking him to Wakanda.
6. "How his lip tattoo was enough to get in Wakanda?"
It's not some tattoo that he made in some tattoo shop. It was the symbol of Wakandan's which they got through their genes (Now I don't know the logic behind it) which proved him to be Wakandan that's why he wasn't some outsider for Wakandans.
7." Tchaka didn't tell about his brother nor his kid to Wakandans."
That's because he killed his own brother. And he was taking weapons out of Wakanda and giving it to other black people to fight against Whites. He didn't tell people about killing him is just because despite being a King he still would've been questioned by Wakandans that whether he did it just to remain a king. And this would've been much more simpler and stresafree than explaining what he did and why he did to each and every one.
8. "Why Tchaka left the kid?"
He wasn't a fully Wakandan as his mother was some outsider. Most of the people in Wakanda doesn't even knew that his brother is married. And Erik was sole witness to what happened to his father. So that's why he left him.
9. "How Killmonger knew that specifically the guy (Okoye's husband) wanted Klaue?"
Klaue killed many Wakandans while stealing Vibranium. So every Wakandans wanted him including the King as he was the Criminal for Wakandans. So Killmonger's plan was to hand Klaue to any Wakandans. It was just a movie plot that Killmonger founf Okoye's husband first. (Okay, I don't remember his name.)
10. "Why Tchalla accepts Killmonger's challenge?"
Because when he saw Erik's ring (which was the ring for Wakandan Royal family) he asked that old guy who was with his father about truth and knew what happened with Erik. So Erik was definitely a Royal blood so it was his right to challenge for Throne (as per Wakandan tradition) and he also challenged for mantle of black panther. Other tribe people accepted it as he was rightful heir. And Tchalla accepted it as he was obviously good at heart.
11. "Killmonger's motivation?"
His dad saw black people suffering all over the world. So he wanted to help them as they had technology to make weapons in Wakanda which was prohibited (by Wakandan rules or whatever). It was Erik's dad's ideology to provide weapons to all black people and let them fight with the people who are opressing them. So Killmonger simply followed his father's ideology and as he saw Tchaka killing his father (I mean he didn't really saw it but he knew it) so he wanted to take revenge with Tchaka's family too.
AND AT LAST
12. "How did Erik managed to survive for that long after being stabbed?".
"Come on dude at the start of the video you were saying if King Tchaka had power of black panther then he should've survived the attack in which he died. So why can't Killmonger managed to hold on for 10 minutes after being stabbed as he too had the power of thay Vibranium herb." I know it was just to give him proper death scene. But if you were agreeing with one thing then the other thing isn't that bad too.
So yeah that's my take on what things you've understood wrong which made this movie and specially Killmonger less likable for you.
And those who've read this damn long comment Thanks 😂
Well said
Best comment so far.
@@rwmartinez1262 Still too late though 😂
Can we also talk about how similar this movie is to *Thor: Ragnarök*
I never could finish the movie because it was so lazy in the writing department
Finally…I thought this as I left the theater.
“Why do people think it’s so great” it was just okay
5:00 “basic things that any leader would have done”
The US congress would beg to disagree with you my friend
This movie is undeniable proof that all you need to make a villain people will embrace wholeheartedly is for him to spout off over and over again how “white people be evil”. It’s pretty disgusting really.
That's not what he is but good job on lying for white devils who won't see as an equal
Bro can you make a whole breakdown like this but for oscar winning movies
There's no way I wouldn't subscribe after watching one of your videos. I've watched and liked 3 so far. Thanks to the Critical Drinker for directing me here.
yeah the writers screwed the plot up
Can you please make a critique of Wakanda Forever? If you haven't watched it, i am probably subjecting you to horrors of 3 hours but you do a damn good job at these videos so i would love to see more.
He did make a video critiquing Ironheart's character.
Nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. Critics' Choice- nominated for Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay. Golden Globes - nominated Best Motion Picture (Drama). AFI - Top Ten Films of the Year. Seriously.. the number of nominations and WINS this film had is absurd and should be obvious it was due to wokeness. The only ones I really get are for hair, makeup, costumes, production design, sound, musical score.. But best picture or screenplay? No way.
Winter Soldier, by comparison got less than half that many nominations overall and only like 3 wins. No nominations from the Oscars, Golden Globes, Critics Choice or AFI.
Totally agree my man. BP is one of my top 5 Marvel films bit I am not blind to its flaws. Your vid exposed new flaws. And yet I’m looking forward to seeimg it again.
I think Black Panther 2 has usurped the title of Most Overrated Movie in the MCU...
It was good. I know why it was built up so much people where color blind to the story. And the biggest mistake was claw he's supposed to be a badass that doesn't make mistakes. He's known to break into wakanda and steal there stuff. Then they act like his sister was smarter than banner and vision. Vision is a cyborg with a infinity stone in his head. But during infinity war shes supposedly smarter
is smarter then banner though. she makes some of the most advance technology in all of the MCU
@@briggsconnell5378 MCU technology makes less sense the further the story progresses.
You need to do the second one too
This, Eternals and Dr Strange MoM were Wasted Opportunities of Marvel to make something which would have been the face of MCU Post IW and Endgame Events...I maybe wrong but The Only Character who can Be seen as the Leader to the Avengers Post Captain America would be Black Panther....If Only they potrayed him right in his movie...Same Can Be said about Dr. Strange..He would be the team builder/guide like Tony was...Marvel did a Josstice League Treatment to DS MoM and I am so mad about it....It wasn't even a Strange film... Completely Unnecessary....Marvel will Screw up if they continue such a Treatment to such Characters....
Well, the actor passed away recently. So the Black Panther franchise is dead. Disney isn't going to replace the actor. So why would anyone want to watch a Black Panther movie without Black Panther? And they also ruined Scarlett Witch. Thor was turned into a clown. Even Dr Strange was nerfed in his own movie.
@@nerychristian Yep, Precisely I still have minute hopes of Thor tho...Gorr is Truly a Arch to Thor....His Ideologies Actually Conflict with Thor...Thor Fights other villains for power or Enemity...Gorr Just Plays with thor and It required Thor of Three Gens to Defeat Gorr...Such was Gorrs Impact on Thor...Not only that but It also caused Thor to go Unworthy of the Mjolner...If Marvel has a little bit Brain...then they would use such a powerful Character with such a Peak Storyline and a Phenomenal Actor like Christian Bale to even Half it's Potential by extending it's screen time and not ending Thor with Thor 4....Thor Series would go on a Rampage in the Upcoming time..Beta Ray Bill and Rune King Thor will be such a closure to Thor....🤞🤞Also Hulk was F*cked So Bad...God I hate it....He's been made a Puny...In comics He literally Became the King of Skaar, is Immortal, Destroyed the The All Powerful Illuminati (and It wasn't Illogical) and New York in World War Hulk.....But now is a nerfed man with a big brain and big body minus the Insanity....WHAT IS MARVEL DOING????
im seeing a serious lack of diversity in this movie ?
LMAO!!! He said, “a young forest whittaker.” 😂😂😂
Fun fact. The young Forest Whittaker is his actual son in real life
I like the movie at first watch, even 2nd watch. It does fall apart. Visuals are important. Writing should take precedence over visuals. Black Panther was way less than it could have been. I don't have high expectations for Wakanda Forever.
IT WAS A KILLMONGER MOVIE NOT A BLACK PANTHER MOVIE.
You should do one on black panther 2 as well
I know i am late, but spider-man got treated the same way. He had a strong introduction and looked like he could handle himself, but when his movie came out they made him a baby so that iron man could be his daddy.
They had great casting for black panther and the character is dope, but there was potential for so much more. Sad they couldn't continue his story in the sequel
Side note for anyone watching in the future. While I agree with the sediment/statement, marvel did tell us how ta'challa got the heart & suit.....they put that info in an unadvertised short comic. Possible only digital.... sigh...
as a Wakanda myself I find myself agreeing with this view, though his point on making the herb more widespread would do more damage than good.