0:00 Introduction 0:49 How did Savetf2 start this year? 4:05 Save Tf2's Big Problem 6:02 The solution 8:45 Why we shouldn't beg for Bot fix. 9:43 Conclusion
Definitely agree with the other guy about the scripting and filler words, but also I kinda disagree with your take on the whole TF2:S2 situation. It's true that there was a lot of misinformation at the start on how "valve used to hire modders, and now they strike them down". And now people are slowly realizing that it's a different situation, since it's a non-valve engine or whatever. But here's the thing: *What Valve is doing is legally correct, but not morally correct,* and that's what our argument should've been from the start, rather than trying to pretend like we'd be in our rights to make a TF2 port. Nintendo fans have been dealing with this for a long time, and they have a similar mindset. What Nintendo does is definitely legal, but it's not moral. And heck, those guys have made some superior fan remakes and ports of *PAID* games. You also said that it doesn't do anything but steal TF2 without modification, but it's still in development, man. Once they get a bit further, we might have a better looking TF2, with less buggier code that could lead to easier community updates and bug fixes, and maybe even stronger security. This would be something of value that's different from base TF2, and it'd solve quite a bit of problems. And quite frankly, both games are free, and they aren't making money off of it. I mean what revenue are they stealing from Valve...? I guess hats? But if that many players are leaving the real game, along with their inventory of cosmetics, just to get away from the horrible management, are you really the good guys? I do agree with this year's rally being a lot worse and unorganized though. It definitely started as a kneejerk reaction with no date, and all the youtubers I've seen only gave it a tiny little brief mention on the sideline, rather than a whole dedicated thing. Kinda like "Ehhh, I'm making a video because here's what I think of it, _go sign the petition if you feel like it I guess"_ is the vibe I got.
I read your entire comments and I like it.(Even pinned it) Honestly you brought up some good points about Nintendo and their legal stuff. I really can't agrue with you (since I legit have a emulator and a USB fully of roms to transfer games between my gaming pc and school laptop.) Honestly you brought up a good point about it being legally right but not morally right. You honestly kinda made me question my postion. I still do think that Valve was in the right but now I kinda agree partly with the tf2s2 supporters that it still wasn't the best morally. I dont often script videos or do any type of opinion type videos so I think that's why I did a bunch of filler words. Anyway loved your comment/take.
This second protest feels "empty" if you ask me, like everyone just returned to play again when the items returned, leaving the hashtag with minimal support
@@Chris_Husk Some stutters and stammers: 2:15 _"It's basically gee- Garry's Mod 2"_ 2:27 _"The game is still inv- closed beta, and by closed beta, I mean peop- It's really hard to get access to"_ 2:49 _"There's a couple of things in sandbox, umm... uhjjjsdf sandbox that I'm not gonna get into"_ 3:04 _"And fourth, I kinda feel like... It's kinda just... outright... stealing TF2... like"_ 7:43 Pretty much everything here lmao (Though it was very heartfelt, which I can appreciate) Some sentences that are still correct, but came out a bit awkward and might've needed a retake: 2:23 _"andit's being developed by..."_ 3:48 _"but when they combined that they both happen"_ etc. ----- Though to be honest, I think my main point is more-so that a script with some better editing choices would help demonstrate your point a lot more clean and efficiently, without going in circles. (Admittedly the stutters are still a bit distracting though.) I think some people like Zesty and Dane can get away with unscripted videos, because they have a lot more experience in these kinda things, and/or they simply may not struggle with public speaking. But I've definitely tried making a video guide for my friends before, and I've also seen myself in instant replays. And I can safely say that I exhibit the same behaviours. All the way down to the awkward or incoherent sentences because my mouth is running faster than my mind, so I can understand you. Especially since you basically had to speedrun the video! But a spoonful of sugar _does_ help the medicine go down, so I will say that visual edits are pretty good, and I think a lot of the points you made are good or interesting to think about!
@@zagrfige maybe it's occurred to you but some people haven't been playing since october of 2017 and contracts aren't free, idk what's with tf2 players and all the complacency
Garry Newman (Garry's mod birther) made a reply tweet to the tf2 source 2 twitter account saying it wasnt surprising that they got dmca'ed from valve since they copy and pasted their game. Just thought to put it here since i found this out quite late.
Yeah, its not like a Nintendo situation, Valve saw that they were just copying the game into source two. Its a cool little private thing but planning to release it into the world was a bad idea, especially given the whole "Everything's free!" stick.
I do agree that more tools to kick bots would be great, but there is a reason why you cant votekick when you first join. It prevents the bots from instantly calling a vote, giving players a window to call on them if they recognize the name. Something like a hotkey to call a vote, changing the vote kick screen to include a players class, and maybe a reduced time to kick if a votekick was successful. May also be worth it to allow f2ps to at least type, or better yet give them voicechat. You could set it up to automute someone that's sending too much audio or text, and allow players to undo the automute if they want. I'm not sure about the third one as it might make it easier for bots to kick players if they have a majority, but if the bots have one they'll likely be able to kick everyone quickly anyways. I also havn't seen bots votekick as often recently. Major reason why I think a vote kick that succeeded should result in a shorter timer is it's normal just 1-2 ppl bothering to actually kick the bots, so when 4-5 join a game they can endure the vote kickers. I can live with only the rare update that adds just a little, but they should make some effort to continuely supress bots, and let us know if they do so we don't get mad at nonexistant inaction. I like TF2
I think a big mistake people are making with the bots and Valve in general is that exploiters and bots are a treadmill problem if you don't try the super-modern ways, aka deep-learning algorithms and A.I., which mind you, probably isn't compatible with Source at all in the current moment. It's going to be a REALLY, REALLY hot minute before the treadmill problem finally starts to slow down, so the best you and I can do is endure the bots and maybe help Valve in finding solutions to these problems, such as Megascatterbombs anticheat (yes he's still working on that).
I've seen multple of megascatterbombs videos and saw his original anti cheat bot videos. I haven't downloaded the alpha or beta of his software yet. I think ai might be the only way for this problem to be solved. If we dont use some sort of ai then I think that the problem is a treadmill problem. Hopefully the tf team can find something out. Anyway like and subscribe
It was a nice movement especially on my birthday no less, just wish Valve would do something about it. Not having the weapons for 2 days was refreshing.
Explain what's wrong with that.... also we did 9 huntsmen...and we won. This wasn't class wars. Legit a normal causal match. We tried to vote kick anyone who didn't do the joke with us.
Something to add about the TF2 Source 2 drama and how people say "Oh valve changed,they would have hired those people in the past and make it an official port!". Well yeah in the past they would do that because they trusted that the people they helped by giving them very important files to make games with wound't leak that,and if you look back at recent times many people went out and leaked so many assets and files that were never meant to be public,so I completly understand why valve would not want to share their files with people again.
7:33 i mean you could be right what if they are just working on like the biggest tf2 update ever and we don't know, even then i doubt an update like that could take 7 years (yes i know geometry dash 2.2 basically took that long but atleast we got info from rob that its being worked on)
Somewhat related. Tf2 has a Linux beta/update rn that makes the game from 32 bits to 64 bits which on some people's pcs make the game run twice as fast. We most likely will see a update to 64 bits soon.
I already thought TF2 was dead. I reinstalled it about 5 weeks ago and there were virtually no players scrolling through the server list. I might need to find a hub for all the servers that don't show up on the servers list but I could only find like 5 nearly full servers which made me feel like the game was dead. I stopped playing when Overwatch came out so it's been a while but I figured that's just how it was going for the game. 2 or 3 years ago I did the same and just found servers with just bots occupying them so I figured the playerbase was long gone now. Hopefully the game gets saved, despite growing away from the game I have fond memories and the most hours of any steam game played still. I think it's closing in on 2k hours.
Yeah no it's not dead. I'm assuming you were looking in the community server tab which people don't use that much. And when they don't everyone goes on the same servers which are almost always full. Tf2 is really active. On average it has 100k people online. Tf2 actually just reached New peak on their player count of 257k players. Most people just join on valves official servers
I feel people are forgetting that to fix an issue in a game and to release updates takes time people think it's gonna be fixed in a day valve doesn't have a lot of employees anymore so to fix the game and update is gonna take time and like all multiplayer games bots/hackers are not gonna go away its tiresome to see people write hateful posts to valve fixing stuff takes time you can't put a band aid on a wound that requires stitches or use duct tape on a pipe that needs welding otherwise it's just gonna get worse so can people give valve a chance and give them time yes it's frustrating but trying to fight with valve is not gonna make it go faster
@@Quryam I never said that they would do anything, I was just letting this guy know that Valve has already done AI powered anti-cheat since he clearly has never heard of VacNet.
Yeah even as a spy main i think the diamondback needs a nerf. I think it should only give crits on backstabbing and not buildings. I can't tell you how many times I found a bunch of builds without a engi and I sapped it to get around 5 crits.
Because crits are op... They don't suffer from damage fall off and because of that you are able to get some pretty dumb shots. Also over relying on the knife is what gets us spys killed alot
Not addressing the bot issue is a really bad idea and shounic I think missed the mark in his video. That valve doesn't wanna be on a treadmill does not mean there are no solutions to the bot problem. It would literally be as simple as hiring a dedicated anti cheat team or even one guy to go around servers and manually ban bots or just try to thwart them, don't even have to let him make judgements that lead to false bans, just let them only deal with really nasty obvious ones
Honestly I think the only way to try to fix the bot problem might be with using some sort of ai. But that might somehow have the effect of bots trying to become nearly undetectable. I don't think having a team of bot banners might help since the bots can create new accounts pretty quickly
@@Chris_Husk I think it would, I keep running into bots pre-muted because there are literally not enough to go around that I keep running into the same bots I've already manually muted myself (I don't download others' voice_ban.dt files), and of course it's embarrassing to have a bot banning team but it doesn't have to be that little, it's that every other company in existence squishes a problem like this easily, a treadmill is very simple and unacceptable to not fix or hire people to run on for you when you have literal mountains of money.
For second I thought that would be a nice video but NO it's again video about another tf2 fan who demanding for update 2007 game. GUYS, Valve is more busy with other stuff (Like CS2, Dota 2, Neon Prime, HLC) and they even not obliged to update this game.
You're actually wrong on the bot section, instantly flagging the 'blatant cheater' bots that spin around and aimbot has already been accomplished, its a staple feature of certain cheating clients. If some self employed armchair dev can develop a system to detect bots then why can't Valve?
This shouldn't be the communites jobs to fix your issues valve, you're a multi Million dollar company, you should atleast care about the issues with a game that is racking Millions of dollars from.
I'm very late to this video, but you left out something that I've seen that really pisses me off and no ones talking about it. THE BOTS ARE DOXXING PEOPLE. their no longer just a thing that disrupts the game or makes the game unplayable, their being used as a weapon. The item servers being down isn't the end of the world. tf2:s2 being dmca'd isn't the end of the world. But having your personal details like your full name, Home address, and threats of real life violence or accusations of crimes. even having your voice cloned so people think you say slurs. THAT IS SERIOUS. valve needs to do something not just to fix the game. But to protect the people who are playing it, And the bot hosters that are specifically doxxing people and making threats and cloning peoples voices, need to face real life consequences. This has happened to megascatterbot I'm pretty sure quite recently. but its happened to other players and people within the community before. valve still does nothing about it. valve needs to be made aware that their neglect of this game has caused this and be held responsible for their lack of action. And if they don't do something about it, The people who are trying to fix it on their behalf can have real like violence enacted against them.
1:58 Bullshit, this entire segment. If you can doesn't mean you should. Even legally speaking people can get away with murder some times, it happens quite frequently though i don't really have any numbers on me right now, either way what i mean is that legalitty doesn't equal morality. Valve isn't doing anything with the game, TF2 itself started as a mod from another game. Valve stopping mods(or ports) such as this from being made severely cuts down on the game's lifespan. They having the legal high ground doesn't give them the moral high ground to do it and be on the right. If the port did go forward we may have had a couple hundred new prople trying to play it, or an entire new section could've been formed around this port because of teh lack of bots, instead Valve went full nintendo on a game that they put on life support. On top of that they could very well have done the same to the Cheat exploit that is up on GitHub, they didn't. The cheat is still over there open to the public while valve shuts down attempts of TF2's community to expand the game.
My thoughts exactly! He kinda painted TF2S2 as the bad guy, basically saying that they are copy and pasting TF2 with little to no care put into it. But seamlessly porting a super duper buggy game with spaghetti code dating back to 2007, is really god damn hard! Especially when you consider that the developers of the project weren't getting paid for their countless hours of work.
Definitely agree with the other guy about the scripting and filler words, but also I kinda disagree with your take on the whole TF2:S2 situation.
It's true that there was a lot of misinformation at the start on how "valve used to hire modders, and now they strike them down". And now people are slowly realizing that it's a different situation, since it's a non-valve engine or whatever.
But here's the thing: *What Valve is doing is legally correct, but not morally correct,* and that's what our argument should've been from the start, rather than trying to pretend like we'd be in our rights to make a TF2 port.
Nintendo fans have been dealing with this for a long time, and they have a similar mindset. What Nintendo does is definitely legal, but it's not moral. And heck, those guys have made some superior fan remakes and ports of *PAID* games.
You also said that it doesn't do anything but steal TF2 without modification, but it's still in development, man. Once they get a bit further, we might have a better looking TF2, with less buggier code that could lead to easier community updates and bug fixes, and maybe even stronger security. This would be something of value that's different from base TF2, and it'd solve quite a bit of problems.
And quite frankly, both games are free, and they aren't making money off of it. I mean what revenue are they stealing from Valve...? I guess hats? But if that many players are leaving the real game, along with their inventory of cosmetics, just to get away from the horrible management, are you really the good guys?
I do agree with this year's rally being a lot worse and unorganized though. It definitely started as a kneejerk reaction with no date, and all the youtubers I've seen only gave it a tiny little brief mention on the sideline, rather than a whole dedicated thing. Kinda like "Ehhh, I'm making a video because here's what I think of it, _go sign the petition if you feel like it I guess"_ is the vibe I got.
I read your entire comments and I like it.(Even pinned it) Honestly you brought up some good points about Nintendo and their legal stuff. I really can't agrue with you (since I legit have a emulator and a USB fully of roms to transfer games between my gaming pc and school laptop.) Honestly you brought up a good point about it being legally right but not morally right. You honestly kinda made me question my postion. I still do think that Valve was in the right but now I kinda agree partly with the tf2s2 supporters that it still wasn't the best morally.
I dont often script videos or do any type of opinion type videos so I think that's why I did a bunch of filler words. Anyway loved your comment/take.
Hey. Can you show me a part where I used filler words. I can't tell where I used filled since I'm used to the way I speak.
This second protest feels "empty" if you ask me, like everyone just returned to play again when the items returned, leaving the hashtag with minimal support
That was a point I tried to make in the video. I really feel that this years protest was more of a waste of time than antth
@@Chris_Husk Some stutters and stammers:
2:15 _"It's basically gee- Garry's Mod 2"_
2:27 _"The game is still inv- closed beta, and by closed beta, I mean peop- It's really hard to get access to"_
2:49 _"There's a couple of things in sandbox, umm... uhjjjsdf sandbox that I'm not gonna get into"_
3:04 _"And fourth, I kinda feel like... It's kinda just... outright... stealing TF2... like"_
7:43 Pretty much everything here lmao (Though it was very heartfelt, which I can appreciate)
Some sentences that are still correct, but came out a bit awkward and might've needed a retake:
2:23 _"andit's being developed by..."_
3:48 _"but when they combined that they both happen"_
etc.
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Though to be honest, I think my main point is more-so that a script with some better editing choices would help demonstrate your point a lot more clean and efficiently, without going in circles. (Admittedly the stutters are still a bit distracting though.)
I think some people like Zesty and Dane can get away with unscripted videos, because they have a lot more experience in these kinda things, and/or they simply may not struggle with public speaking.
But I've definitely tried making a video guide for my friends before, and I've also seen myself in instant replays. And I can safely say that I exhibit the same behaviours. All the way down to the awkward or incoherent sentences because my mouth is running faster than my mind, so I can understand you. Especially since you basically had to speedrun the video!
But a spoonful of sugar _does_ help the medicine go down, so I will say that visual edits are pretty good, and I think a lot of the points you made are good or interesting to think about!
a big part people miss about item servers being disconnected from casual servers is that contracts were completely IMPOSSIBLE
I sometimes forget that contracts exist... the only time I remember it is when I fat finger f3 and go to my pyroland contracts
… who cares? Contracts have been out for the past 6 years or so.
@@zagrfige maybe people who were trying to do contracts would care but that seems a little crazy
@@Lethal_Spoon Oh no! I cant do the contracts that I've had the past 6 years to do for 2 days!!! Whatever will I do! Volvo pls fix!
@@zagrfige maybe it's occurred to you but some people haven't been playing since october of 2017 and contracts aren't free, idk what's with tf2 players and all the complacency
Garry Newman (Garry's mod birther) made a reply tweet to the tf2 source 2 twitter account saying it wasnt surprising that they got dmca'ed from valve since they copy and pasted their game. Just thought to put it here since i found this out quite late.
Yeah, its not like a Nintendo situation, Valve saw that they were just copying the game into source two. Its a cool little private thing but planning to release it into the world was a bad idea, especially given the whole "Everything's free!" stick.
I do agree that more tools to kick bots would be great, but there is a reason why you cant votekick when you first join. It prevents the bots from instantly calling a vote, giving players a window to call on them if they recognize the name. Something like a hotkey to call a vote, changing the vote kick screen to include a players class, and maybe a reduced time to kick if a votekick was successful. May also be worth it to allow f2ps to at least type, or better yet give them voicechat. You could set it up to automute someone that's sending too much audio or text, and allow players to undo the automute if they want.
I'm not sure about the third one as it might make it easier for bots to kick players if they have a majority, but if the bots have one they'll likely be able to kick everyone quickly anyways. I also havn't seen bots votekick as often recently.
Major reason why I think a vote kick that succeeded should result in a shorter timer is it's normal just 1-2 ppl bothering to actually kick the bots, so when 4-5 join a game they can endure the vote kickers.
I can live with only the rare update that adds just a little, but they should make some effort to continuely supress bots, and let us know if they do so we don't get mad at nonexistant inaction.
I like TF2
Yeah I think that the vote kick time should be reduced to 1 minute. 2 mins is a bit too long and allows bots to fill up the lobby
Finally someone who doesent expect valve to update a 20 year old game,
Facts.
I can't believe ChrisHusk single-handedly saved tf2
I did it.
@Chris_Husk he did it.
you did it @@Chris_Husk
I got introduced to this guy from his half life 2 streams and I'm happy to see he makes long from content
I hope to do more streams and possible be able to do a long complications of my hl2 streams.
I think a big mistake people are making with the bots and Valve in general is that exploiters and bots are a treadmill problem if you don't try the super-modern ways, aka deep-learning algorithms and A.I., which mind you, probably isn't compatible with Source at all in the current moment.
It's going to be a REALLY, REALLY hot minute before the treadmill problem finally starts to slow down, so the best you and I can do is endure the bots and maybe help Valve in finding solutions to these problems, such as Megascatterbombs anticheat (yes he's still working on that).
I've seen multple of megascatterbombs videos and saw his original anti cheat bot videos. I haven't downloaded the alpha or beta of his software yet. I think ai might be the only way for this problem to be solved. If we dont use some sort of ai then I think that the problem is a treadmill problem. Hopefully the tf team can find something out. Anyway like and subscribe
every youtuber ever: *blah blah blah* btw like and subscribe *blah blah blah*
(this isn't meant to be rude lol)
@@Chris_Husk
yeah unfortunately
What future videos do you plan to make?
I have a really big project in the works. I will most likely announce it soon.
It was a nice movement especially on my birthday no less, just wish Valve would do something about it.
Not having the weapons for 2 days was refreshing.
Really nice video man, I entirely agree with your pointing and I appreciate how level headed your analysis is. Subscribed
9 DEMOMEN
Explain what's wrong with that.... also we did 9 huntsmen...and we won. This wasn't class wars. Legit a normal causal match. We tried to vote kick anyone who didn't do the joke with us.
its not wrong
just
god damn@@Chris_Husk
@@Chris_Husk That's very immoral ngl
but funny @@Neoniq41
@@Chris_Husk Auscotralia forever?
Something to add about the TF2 Source 2 drama and how people say "Oh valve changed,they would have hired those people in the past and make it an official port!". Well yeah in the past they would do that because they trusted that the people they helped by giving them very important files to make games with wound't leak that,and if you look back at recent times many people went out and leaked so many assets and files that were never meant to be public,so I completly understand why valve would not want to share their files with people again.
what's the name of the video funke posted?
I found the video from the tf2 subreddit. I couldn't find the original video though its probably still up.
I just wabt tf2 to be playable. then MAYBE some update. I would love to see an new weapon or balance changes.
why does everyone in the gameplay look like they are from the xbox 360 version of tf2
Now that you say it yeah it does look like the orange box version
@@Chris_Husk Is it a mod? If so, what is the name of it? I would like it.
I think I have a hud change but I legit don't remember. The only thing I can think of is my tf2 config. This is my tf2 config comfig.app/
7:33 i mean you could be right what if they are just working on like the biggest tf2 update ever and we don't know, even then i doubt an update like that could take 7 years (yes i know geometry dash 2.2 basically took that long but atleast we got info from rob that its being worked on)
Somewhat related. Tf2 has a Linux beta/update rn that makes the game from 32 bits to 64 bits which on some people's pcs make the game run twice as fast. We most likely will see a update to 64 bits soon.
the undertale music hits so hard
Do you script your videos?
Somewhat. I had the intro all scripted but I have just bulletpoints in my head about what I'm gonna say. Why do you ask?
@@Chris_Husk not to be disrespectful but you’re repeating filler words and sound like your not confident sometimes
@shadowmerder3802 alright. I will try to improve on not using filler words. Thanks on the feedback.
@shadowmerder3802 can you timestamp a place where I used filler
@@Chris_Husk 5:10 - 5:20 it uses like as filler
I already thought TF2 was dead. I reinstalled it about 5 weeks ago and there were virtually no players scrolling through the server list. I might need to find a hub for all the servers that don't show up on the servers list but I could only find like 5 nearly full servers which made me feel like the game was dead. I stopped playing when Overwatch came out so it's been a while but I figured that's just how it was going for the game. 2 or 3 years ago I did the same and just found servers with just bots occupying them so I figured the playerbase was long gone now.
Hopefully the game gets saved, despite growing away from the game I have fond memories and the most hours of any steam game played still. I think it's closing in on 2k hours.
Yeah no it's not dead. I'm assuming you were looking in the community server tab which people don't use that much. And when they don't everyone goes on the same servers which are almost always full. Tf2 is really active. On average it has 100k people online. Tf2 actually just reached New peak on their player count of 257k players. Most people just join on valves official servers
I feel people are forgetting that to fix an issue in a game and to release updates takes time people think it's gonna be fixed in a day valve doesn't have a lot of employees anymore so to fix the game and update is gonna take time and like all multiplayer games bots/hackers are not gonna go away its tiresome to see people write hateful posts to valve fixing stuff takes time you can't put a band aid on a wound that requires stitches or use duct tape on a pipe that needs welding otherwise it's just gonna get worse so can people give valve a chance and give them time yes it's frustrating but trying to fight with valve is not gonna make it go faster
they have tons of employees,yet they all choose to work on dota 2 or cs2
very good, agreed with everything
i would be happy if we never got another big content up for the game, i just want the mass of bots gone
They already have VacNet (AI powered anti-cheat) for CS, they just need to make a branch for TF2.
Valve does not care about TF2, they won't fix anything.
@@Quryam I never said that they would do anything, I was just letting this guy know that Valve has already done AI powered anti-cheat since he clearly has never heard of VacNet.
Very dobry
but its kinda bad that valve wants to forget about tf2
5:13 just so happened to pause here and found this in the chat XD
I legit didn't noticed it.
lol all good it happens i just thought it was funny is all@@Chris_Husk
i think people being mad at the dmca aganist source is understandable but also valve was completly in the right
Discord Link: discord.gg/xCzjWFapmS
to be upset over 2 days of nonlaggy servers. Wild
I kinda found it fun but also at the same time I want to use the sticky jumper
They should just say we are working on a map a diamondback nerf and 1 new weapon chill lol
Yeah even as a spy main i think the diamondback needs a nerf. I think it should only give crits on backstabbing and not buildings. I can't tell you how many times I found a bunch of builds without a engi and I sapped it to get around 5 crits.
@@Chris_Husk why the hell would u need crits if ur good at backstabbing lmao
Because crits are op... They don't suffer from damage fall off and because of that you are able to get some pretty dumb shots. Also over relying on the knife is what gets us spys killed alot
@@Chris_Husk if the crits can be used on the revolver, then alright maybe it needs a nerf
Not addressing the bot issue is a really bad idea and shounic I think missed the mark in his video. That valve doesn't wanna be on a treadmill does not mean there are no solutions to the bot problem. It would literally be as simple as hiring a dedicated anti cheat team or even one guy to go around servers and manually ban bots or just try to thwart them, don't even have to let him make judgements that lead to false bans, just let them only deal with really nasty obvious ones
Honestly I think the only way to try to fix the bot problem might be with using some sort of ai. But that might somehow have the effect of bots trying to become nearly undetectable. I don't think having a team of bot banners might help since the bots can create new accounts pretty quickly
@@Chris_Husk I think it would, I keep running into bots pre-muted because there are literally not enough to go around that I keep running into the same bots I've already manually muted myself (I don't download others' voice_ban.dt files), and of course it's embarrassing to have a bot banning team but it doesn't have to be that little, it's that every other company in existence squishes a problem like this easily, a treadmill is very simple and unacceptable to not fix or hire people to run on for you when you have literal mountains of money.
For second I thought that would be a nice video but NO it's again video about another tf2 fan who demanding for update 2007 game.
GUYS, Valve is more busy with other stuff (Like CS2, Dota 2, Neon Prime, HLC) and they even not obliged to update this game.
I got 100 secret saxtons
WE NEED TO KICK THE CHEATER MONSTA YAMBO
@@Chris_HuskI GOT A 100 SECRET SAXTONS (X2)
man wth with thoose small utubers making music louder or the same volume as the voice
It's a rule for us small youtubers. Once we hit 1k we automaticly understand volume balance
In no way do I mean to be disrespectful in saying this, but y'gotta annunciate a bit more homie. Other than that, cool video
Yeah I know. Other have pointed out that I stutter a bit. This format of video isn't something I'm that used too. All feedback is helpful
You're actually wrong on the bot section, instantly flagging the 'blatant cheater' bots that spin around and aimbot has already been accomplished, its a staple feature of certain cheating clients. If some self employed armchair dev can develop a system to detect bots then why can't Valve?
This shouldn't be the communites jobs to fix your issues valve, you're a multi Million dollar company, you should atleast care about the issues with a game that is racking Millions of dollars from.
I'm very late to this video, but you left out something that I've seen that really pisses me off and no ones talking about it. THE BOTS ARE DOXXING PEOPLE. their no longer just a thing that disrupts the game or makes the game unplayable, their being used as a weapon. The item servers being down isn't the end of the world. tf2:s2 being dmca'd isn't the end of the world.
But having your personal details like your full name, Home address, and threats of real life violence or accusations of crimes. even having your voice cloned so people think you say slurs. THAT IS SERIOUS. valve needs to do something not just to fix the game. But to protect the people who are playing it, And the bot hosters that are specifically doxxing people and making threats and cloning peoples voices, need to face real life consequences. This has happened to megascatterbot I'm pretty sure quite recently. but its happened to other players and people within the community before. valve still does nothing about it.
valve needs to be made aware that their neglect of this game has caused this and be held responsible for their lack of action. And if they don't do something about it, The people who are trying to fix it on their behalf can have real like violence enacted against them.
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Bullshit, this entire segment. If you can doesn't mean you should. Even legally speaking people can get away with murder some times, it happens quite frequently though i don't really have any numbers on me right now, either way what i mean is that legalitty doesn't equal morality.
Valve isn't doing anything with the game, TF2 itself started as a mod from another game. Valve stopping mods(or ports) such as this from being made severely cuts down on the game's lifespan. They having the legal high ground doesn't give them the moral high ground to do it and be on the right.
If the port did go forward we may have had a couple hundred new prople trying to play it, or an entire new section could've been formed around this port because of teh lack of bots, instead Valve went full nintendo on a game that they put on life support.
On top of that they could very well have done the same to the Cheat exploit that is up on GitHub, they didn't. The cheat is still over there open to the public while valve shuts down attempts of TF2's community to expand the game.
My thoughts exactly!
He kinda painted TF2S2 as the bad guy, basically saying that they are copy and pasting TF2 with little to no care put into it. But seamlessly porting a super duper buggy game with spaghetti code dating back to 2007, is really god damn hard! Especially when you consider that the developers of the project weren't getting paid for their countless hours of work.
fax bro
the demoknight failing again and again to kill someone in the background is too distracting.
I should have played with bots
maybe TF2S2 was illegal. but why?! if valve dont want to do anything then why they kill fan's dreams?
Sniper should be limit 2 in casual to slow down bots and not to have many sniper bots infested.