TF2: The F2P Conspiracy
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- If you've played Team Fortress 2 for any given amount of time, you've likely witnessed the species known as a free-to-play (f2p). These people are the purest type of player, given that they aren't tempted by spending money in a free game. But, suddenly they all sort of just went quiet... Why is that the case? Could it just be that nobody plays the game for free anymore? Maybe it has something to do with the bot crisis we've been suffering through.... well I wanna get to the bottom of it in this video.
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Intro 0:00
When was the last time you heard a free-to-play? 2:58
UPDATE #1 3:57
UPDATE #2 5:35
Is TF2 (((slightly))) pay-to-win? 8:01
How are things now? (2023) 9:40
Why hasn't this been reverted? 11:16
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fun fact: even if you have a premium account in tf2 you cant use voice or text chat if your steam account isnt activated (meaning you have to spend at least 5 dollars on steam)
Damn 🗿
Bruh moment
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My vc still doesn’t work, I have it turned on in options, I can see the hud and in game icons for it, but I still can’t hear anyone
I wish we could see Valve Team Fortress 2 in television commercials. Just like in Left 4 Dead 2.
i always feel so bad when i see a f2p desperately trying to communicate to me in casual, they start shaking violently and nodding at you
"You want me to follow you?"
(demoman with a gibus looks around wildly. Assumed nod.)
@@plaguedoctor460 *No voice to cry suffering*
@@The_Red_Scare_No will to break _
@Plague doctor lmao
@@lostgem8225 No mind to think
being accused of being a bot and not being able to defend yourself is the most infuriating thing in the planet
having a bot call a vote on you and people f1 is even worse
Fr, when I was an F2P, I would continuously get kicked from my (somehow) favorite KotH map, Viaduct, as well as Harvest. It's so freaking agitating. I once got banned from a casual Hightower match for moving the cart to the end and ALMOST winning (We were all the way behind before I joined and played as Scout). Technically, I got banned for being decent at Payload Race. 💀
Pretty sure F2Ps can't call a vote either
I’m an f2p for now, but the way I do it is hit the wall so that the marks spell “hi”, and it usually works
@leif
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F2ps are the equivalent of children in kitchen. They have no idea what they’re doing, but if you let them cook, sometimes they can make a decent meal
Or burn the house down
What
I'm a chef!
I don't do meals. I do crystals
Yo let ‘em cook
i will not lie . the chat feel bit lifeless without them .
How so?
@@highmedic2351 you dont see the words of literal children anymore... *usually*
@@Rafelandroid2 What do you mean?
@@highmedic2351 alot of F2Ps are children. why do you think games like Fortnite and Roblox have so much kids playing it? Because they're free.
Yeah, its sad to not here what the default engi who only uses the stock pistol named pablo.gonzales.2004 has to say :(
I feel so bad for the people that paid 20$ for TF2 and then the next day it was free
20$ Brodie helmet
i think they got a hat the people who paid 20 dollars
@@HDROID yeah but you still get that if you buy the orange box (for some reason, I tried it)
@@thatforknightwhoendedyourPrankand the valve complete pack
@@theBLARGSTORMyeah I forgot about that
I still think the decision to prevent voice commands was baffling
Removing voice commands literally crippled me as an F2P, i can't even warn people of Spies or Sentries or even do funny interactions, only stare :(
Even at the time I considerd it baffeling.
If you’re even slightly familliar with these kinds of groups you would have predicted they would find a way to bypass the restriction (i’m actually suprised how long it took them).
And the main problem with bots wasn’t even the voice/text chat. You could simply mute them or disable chat.
The main problem was them making the game downright unplayable with hacks.
I was f2p to play for about 800 hours in TF2 the ability to not talk was very much a handicap I couldn't say there were spies I couldn't call for medic I couldn't say that the enemy medic had Uber it was very hard to play with no communication
How do you have 800 hours to play but not 1 dollar.
@@Succeris not a matter of have, is a matter of want. Not everyone wants to spend that one dollar
@@Succer it's called being a teenager that doesn't have a credit card
@@Succer Why would someone pay money on an Free-To-Play game? They could but maybe They just don't want To..
@@Succer I have over 500 but I'm still a f2p, maybe it's dumb but some people just don't want to do it
I would join a petition to restore at least Voice Commands to F2P accounts. Just at bare minimum!
Voice commands without a doubt, but text chat too with a maximum of 1 chat per minute seems unharmful to me.
Especially considering voice commands habe a cooldown
At least let em use voice comands, i miss the good ol days of having a f2p demo be so scared of dying. So he kept yeling medic. And y know what it worked, i ubered him and he got some kills. Now they can yust stare and hope i notise them
I mean u can make the petition yourself if u want a lot of f2ps would appreciate it
Agreed. And if need be. Add an update to the cool down system that's based on how much you've been using the same voice line
Just started playing yesterday. One guy did a narrator voice, encouraged us and played songs for us. What a gigachad. Couldn’t talk to him tho. Gave him a steam award. I love this community.
As someone who prided himself on being a F2P for several years and unfortunately made the tough decision after these updates to give in and buy a key, I would like to thank you for speaking up for us. Free-to-Plays are the blood of the TF2 community, and to see them stepped upon like this has been hard. You're right, Casual just doesn't feel right without their voices.
8:40 that spy might be one of the funniest edits ive ever seen, and its litterally just a small scream
i cant stop replaying it
absolutely
Ikr
with UnusualSandwich's word sync up with the moment by the word "idiots"
Wat is spy me thank 😭😭😭😭😅😅💥🤣🤣💥💀😊💀🔥🦷💥😭😭😭😭😭😭😅😃😅😃😅😃😆😆😆😃😆😆😃😆😃😂😃😅😃😆😃😆😗😗😁😃😃😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@ElixirUs69 why did bro try every single emoji
F2P's are the future of a game like tf2. Make fun of them all you want, but their fresh and new journey in tf2 is the reason tf2 has lasted for as long as it has for the most part. We were all f2ps and/or new at one point.
They remind you the freshness of being new, and yeah, tf2 is a game, it's suppose to be fun.
F2P's are the heart and soul of the game, sure the bigger part of the community is also important but they do not care about the F2P's it's why I've always disliked the hate for random crits those crits are there so the little f2p gets a fun moment and levels the playing field.
This is incorrect. Team Fortress' gameplay, design philosophy and reputation is what makes it stand the test of time. It wasnt f2p for 4 years of its life and people put money on the table so f2ps could download the game and assume they should have major sway in the discussion with no respect to the history. I am a f2p and the numbers on servers went up, and then down. So many people were feeling ripped off and dissapointed, because they were. It wasnt hats or cartoonish art style, its that an experience made by adults for adults got taken over by lying children, then later down the line bots.
F2p def get people coming, but its really odd when people show up to a party your throwing and tell you how your party sucks because it isnt theirs.
@@christiangottsacker6932 lmao that doesn't make it right to not let new players call for medic, or help their fellow teammates by saying that there are spys or sentries.
@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 its what happens when a small studio gets a giant controversy to deal with. I wouldnt wanna work on the game much when most of what you hear are demands and not solutions. The community has been given opportunity to take over and i dont remember how that went but i dont think it stuck.
@@christiangottsacker6932 that's the job of the game developer, to find the solutions, Also the community updates were only maps, Weapon reskins have always been a strange case to me... And cosmetics, no weapon balancing allowed.
as an F2P i get constantly kicked because i dont call out spies, making my team think im crossteaming, i hope this doesnt only happen to me since it is annoying to deal with
Never had any similar situation to this. I've got premium, and I never used any voice commands
wear gibus and pyrovision they'll understand also nod or shake your head AGRESSIVELY
As someone who stopped being f2p like 6 days ago, it's definitely rough. And until last Smissmas my backpack was completely filled all the time and I didn't even have half the weapons
Ironically, I finally got the Gibus yesterday.
ok
@@pwning5651ok?
i got tf2 pretty recently without even knowing this was a problem, and boy was i severely disappointed when i learned i was locked out of the most basic functions of communicating in a team based game.
@@oofman6744 Yes, and now he's offering advice a Free-To-Play wouldn't normally get.
same here, and it is kinda sad that a squid based shooter has more communication options than a 15 year old game. :/
@@Microwav64booyah!
@@Microwav64Splatoon is still subpar for having 2 options for communication after 8 whole years.
They still blatantly have 2 unused buttons shown right on the hud for crying out loud!
@@Microwav64 splattoon was the gateway to me playing shooters lmao
Plus this doesn't just apply to team fortress 2. It happened in Counter-Strike Global Offensive on June 3, 2021. And exactly 300,000 Players left the game in one month and lost.
When I found out they got rid of the free way to get to premium, I’m pretty sure it was out of complete greed
@@Touhou2006 Yeah indeed is it. Thats why i drop play CSGO in June 2021. 1.5 Years i not playing any more. Valve Already ruined everythings. ah mann... Both Game F2P killed by Valve... Valve is Not Old Valve. Dark Era & Age Valve.
@@C.A._Old I agree
@@Touhou2006 Nah it was because cheaters were using the system with bots to get easy accounts upgraded and sold them to other people or other cheaters
@@leandrogoslean889 meh, csgo bans way more cheaters than tf2 can. Plus cheaters arent really a big deal in csgo back them, and their measurements against cheaters in csgo were so crappy.
nothing hurts more than seeing a spy behind someone and being unable to say anything
As a F2P, our only mean of communication are basic taunts. Please help
And nodding or shooting walls (me)
As a player that started playing TF2 in 2020 and still going strong I can feel all of that hitting deep
2$.
@@highmedic2351 it’s 5$
@@RatLordFL +tax
@@mekhane.broken9678 isn’t it just a direct transfer of currency?
@@RatLordFL Ok real question here: Do people say it's 5$ because it's the price of premium pack in the Mann Co. store? Because here's the thing: you can spend less than 1$ - the game converts your account into premium with any purchase. Or at least it did when I started playing years ago and just bought the cheapest thing available at the store - a weapon. I never bought anything else in the Mann Co. store and I'm definitely not restricted from any in game functionality be it voice chat or backpack extensions.
I’m Free to play, and the pain I feel when I see a spy walk behind are heavy and stab him and I couldn’t even warn him :(
It's very painful too, F2Player Lives Matter
It's usually impossible to warn a specific player against spies, human reaction time isn't fast enough for a spy about to get a stab
same here m8, its so so frustrating when i see a obvious spy and i cant kill him and i cant call him out
and also i cant call for medic i cant say anything its annoying and that's why i don't play casual i really only play com servers
and also bots got into 3 games in a row with only bots
@@AlteFore exept if said player is experienced and aware,a simple "Spy!" is enough to make most of them react and look around
play pyro and babysit him, thats the only way you can confirm safety for your team mates
3:19 "finally i get item" is my reaction to when i get a different item
As a f2p, I just realized that you can act get anything from the item drop, and I mean ANYTHING! Yesterday I got the pholg just from an item drop. Been a f2p for like a year.
in european servers especially you see almost no bots but a whole lot of f2ps and its just such a waste for vale not letting them be able to speak
@@drecognis I only tend to see bots during the night, personally
i got into 3 separate games all with bots full of them
@@Gon-hx4df It also depends on the server.
In most servers in general, there are no bots. Their kicked almost instantly.
They only infest the games like Harvest and whatnot. They dont leak into Payload since they get kicked instantly.
As a frankfurt server enjoyer (because every other server is kinda far) I see bots once-twice a week, almost always kicked in a instant
This reminds me of a story when I started playing tf2. As a free to play and new to playing on pc I didn’t know how to give a banana to teammates. So when one day I was playing heavy, and a burning spy came up to me ask for my banana. I accidentally ate it in front of him, needless to say he died. I now live with the guilt of letting a man die, and I couldnt say anything to stop it.
did he say anything afterwards?,if not he may have had a good laugh,you're playing a game that players often killbinds just for fun and laugh after all.
No, never said anything, nor I didn’t see he ever again that game.
I would've laughed my ass off if I was that spy
@@theunknownadvocate7632bc he was the spy from team fortress 2
put this guilty to valve, not you
The poor f2p trying to tell his team there's an obvious spy behind him but his mouth got ripped off by valve
Mmmmmmmmmhmhmmmm
when i first got the game, i was so excited, until TEXT CHAT IS NOT AVALIBLE FOR THIS ACCOUNT appeared.
same. watching this video makes me too sad for my own good.
Being a F2P unable to do basic team communication, while Bots being able to mic spam all day long is SOOOOOOOO annoying.
As a relatively new player, voice chat has typically felt like it's only used by the more skilled players who had usually joined as a team, and there's very little interaction between every type of player and I think that having some of that would be very interesting
As a f2p, the fact I can't even call for medic just makes me annoyed. It's nice when I can somehow communicate with people sometimes without actually chatting. I remember this guy who was using voice chat communicating with me (i was a medic) and I remember him being so happy with me when me and him carried each other to victory. Please Valve just give us voice chat :(
I always make sure to thank all the f2ps on my team through the voice chat for playing in these tough times
lol
As an *F2P* myself with currently *818,8 Hours* In the Game,
playing *Team Fortress 2* while NOT being able to communicate really Is.. *Lifeless,* but you'll get *used* to It.. eventually..
But I also have to get used to It, that I'll get kicked because:
*"I didn't warned my Teammates because of Spies; I didn't warned my Teammates because an Enemy Übercharge coming at them.. And, and, and.."*
Thats the least of your problems in pubs, the worst thing isnt being able to defend yourself in chat when somebody is calling a vote kick to you because everybody thinks you're cheating
I have *140* hours in TF2 and stopped being *F2P* this week. Ironically I got the *Gibus* only yesterday, completely on *accident* while playing with my *friend* I introduced to *TF2* last month who started with a *premium account*. I stopped being *f2p* because he gave me a steam gift card *for introducing* him to *TF2* . It is *hard* and it always sucks getting *kicked* by a bot with no way to *defend* myself. I actually started when *bots* could still impersonate *players* and thought I was getting *kicked* in my 5th or 6th *match*, but it was a *bot*.
I relate to *you.*
But why are you typing like *this?*
Same :/ I am not f2p but my voicechat doesn't work nor in gmod nor in tf2 it's frustrating. Besides I am too busy on trying to not get killed in 5 seconds to warn anyone it's demoralizing.
@@Futo_no_mononobe i already got kicked once for getting 2 headshot as a f2p gibus sniper.
@@absolutezerochill2700 For emphasis. Context clues and basic reading comprehension help. This Isn't Someone Typing Like This Again.
As a F2P, I almost never play on casual specifically BECAUSE of the lack of voice communication.
As for voice chat being an advantage, I'll say this: there were matches where if I'd had voice chat we wouldn't have lost, for example, I knew that two enemy medics had uber and kritz between them, and heard them call out that they were fully charged, but I couldn't tell the team, and could only watch as they uber and kritz a demo, wiping out the entire team, and losing us the final point.
Pain
someone needs to make a website/forum for F2P's to share their stories instead of just pouring whatever happened and couldnt say anything about it
i know if i said as a f2p (insert some story) back when i was a newbie during 2022 id be getting roasted
"Because" isn't an acronym
are you acoustic, electric even @@the_motherfucker
@@the_motherfuckerthis aint english class, still gives me nightmares of having to read 60 books
i started playing tf2 on my laptop during lockdown in 2020 and i remember fondly the day i said "man i cant talk in casual so imma go in one of these "community servers" lets see how it goes" after a while i realized that there are a lot of friendly people on there i said, i wonder if casual has gotten better. It didn't, but after considering for an hour or so i decided to spend 5 dollars on tf2. Since trading was like speaking an ancient tongue i spent it on weapon i didnt have. i remember booting up casual after a long time i got destroyed but i could talk and joke around, at the time i had 500 hours. the pure joy of being able to talk with my team was unforgettable.
as sad as it is now i cant really see valve reverting that update, hopes are up but chances are fading
if any f2ps are reading this: stay strong.
Thank you
The tragic spy death at 8:38 -ish is SENDING me
Fantastic video by the way. I admit, I don't feel I've put enough thought into the f2p chat restrictions as of late simply because i often switch voice chat off or spend most of my time in community servers or on MvM with mostly premium players. I'd forgotten the severity of it all. It seriously sucks that f2p's both long term and new to the game had to be punished because of bot hosts. I think a proper chat filter like you suggested would have been perfect. No clue what it would take to implement one though.
So true, can’t believe the no chat & voicelines update isn’t hated that much rn
It because most p2p players don’t notice that f2ps aren’t talking, I honestly forgot about the changes until this video and it’s so unfortunate because more people should definitely be up in arms about this
@@randem_6503 True
@@randem_6503 Probably a lot of the f2ps have just never really joined the community and lost interest in the game because of the lack of chat
Never underestimate an f2p, you never know when you encounter a gibus medic god
Yehz.
Anyone who plays medic can drastically increase your teams chances of winning Considering that they dont suffer
Doesnt matter if they suck, as long as they press 2 and M1 on people.
@@u3581 and they can spycheck and land those crossbow hits just right
I am more of a combat-healing medic, if my teammates fail at killing someone, i Just try to do so
I don't think the free to plays will talk again but when I need a medic I call my friend on discord and he mostly doesn't play as medic 😂
Also, being prevented from using the chat makes it impossible to prove you're not a bot in casual. Just got kicked by a cheater after I kicked what I presume being one of their bots.
As a f2p who only started playing on july of last year but loves the game a lot and is always trying to get better, thanks for making this video. Not being able to mess around with other people with voice commands or just compliment a good player for hitting a a good shot kinda sucks, I wish we could at least use voice commands because being able to go from fighting to being friendly and spamming voice commands in the blink of an eye is one of the main things that make this game so special to me, but as it is now I guess I'll just stick to playing on community servers most of the time.
Fun fact: The TF2 premium doesn't actually give you the ability to communicate. I learned this because I got gifted it from a friend and it still wouldn't let me chat. Though I guess you could sell it for keys and pay for it.
you have to actually put your money into the game,otherwise I don't think it works
@@foodaahits the 5 dollars steam thing
Its because of the steam 5 dollar thing
You need to spend 5 dollars on steam
With the premium you can at least get some extra stuff to sell and maaaaaaybe get the 5 dollars thingie
Eventho I knew allot of what's in this video it did spike some nostalgia for me! Keep these type of videos coming! Also this got recommended to me so you're something right!
When i was an f2p (after the update) lossing ability to talk in chat wasn't that bad, the worst thing was that you can't use voice lines and even scream "MEDICCC!!!" which was really bad and forced me to buy the cheapest Item in the store to get the premium.
Indeed, F2Player lives matter. They should retains only Voice Command in Casual Mode not entirely. But no Valve muted F2Players' whole communication in Casual Mode.
I started playing tf2 around mid/late 2022. And my very first game ever had 3 or 4 aimbotting snipers on the enemy team, camping our spawn. I was on call with my boyfriend, who convinced me to try the game, so I could communicate with him. But I was completely cut off from the rest of the lobby.
It was a little bit before Halloween that I ended up buying a cosmetic set of about $15, making me no longer f2p. And as soon as I was able to actually communicate with my team, i got so much better at it so much faster.
I can tell you from my own experience that communication not being available for f2p's definitely does make the game pay to win. I get voice chat and text chat being made unavailable, but at the very least everyone should be given access to the voice commands. That's the bare fucking minimum that valve should've fixed ages ago. But they just don't care. We were reminded of that already when they tried to gaslight us about the update this summer.
Well for me I was playing TF2 Just Right at December of 2022 before new year of 2023 because of...it may wried bit i just open my first steam account that Time untill now i am 17 and i just have Stema accout that make really hype because all of my life i just stick with Roblox as i watch alot of TF2 through Meet team SFM and etc also i even watch Knowledge Video for play in game
and untill today i still F2p because well my Country now Economy Problem that affect to my Family bussiness really hard also i don't wanna to get Mother Dad Money to buy anything like Generic Thai Kid [even i was pick Parent Money to buy snack (this bad behave don't follow this behave)]
I don't know, but after the June 23, 2011 Uber update, everyone said it's like yesterday: they got it right from making the game free. the other side: they made a mistake making the game free. I want my $20 back. They said words like. At that time, the Summer Month of 2011 was the 23rd of June.
hell yeah dude whatever you say
yeah I definitely understand what you mean man I agree
Bro, you got a free hat, how is that not worth 20 bucks? (This is a joke)
But seriously, do you think the game would still be as popular as is currently is if it wasn't f2p?
Is that all your selfish bum can come up with???? That it was a mistake because you paid 20 dollars for it?????
what are you saying
as a f2p it's kinda sad that i can't talk or call a medic i already died many times because of it plus i can't even say that there's a spy behind the people making the spy killing almost every single person of my time on the front line
just play on community servers
i can just imagine an sfm where an f2p just watches in horror as a spy goes on a chain stab but is unable to call the spy out and his entire team dies before he is also killed afterwards
I remember getting my Upgrade to Premium thank to a friend I meet in a TF2 match, so I can do a few thing in the crafting system.
Even getting the damm thing is also pretty hard back then because my account back then was restricted of even adding friend so wasn't able to trade but I able to bypass it by click and install dota 2 then I was able to add friend for some unknown reason that work and I traded for the item.
W h a t .
Does that exploit still work?
@@abicto don't know, since I don't use that account anymore and i did it on an older version of steam like the 2012 version.
Yeah to be fair
I personally believe the F2P account restrictions were made to hit 2 birds with one stone
The first bird being the Bots spamming the Text Chat and Voice Chat
while the secondary bird being the players who haven't payed valve money to play their free to play videogame
I feel like it's obvious Valve restricted genuine F2Ps because they want them to spend money
Welp, now there are bots with voice chats. Cuz there are people who seem to spend money to troll people
Fun fact there is still a way to get the proof of purchase hat for TF2 buying the orange box which has TF2 as part of the bundle will automatically give you the TF2 proof-of-purchase hat I know this because I bought the orange box so that I could play Portal 2 and half Life 2 while I do not have access to that account it's still in that characters inventory since it is a non-tradable item
Does it work for the xbox version of orange box?
Another fun fact ,the Orange box gives you premium but for some reason you cant use the chat
@@eclipseRzsadly no
@@HS_mod I ended up just buying the orange box on steam, thank you tho
I was playing a game of 2fort capture the intelligence... I was engineer and had peace with the enemy engineers... Suddenly ... A heavy and soldier from my team came and killed them... I could not stop them... I could just... Try...
Screen tips: say "Ready to Charge" to fool the enemy into thinking you're about to use your Uber
F2P's: .......
It's pure incompetence on Valve's part. Instead of fixing the root of the problems, they fight the symptoms. I highly doubt that they kept these awful decisions for financial profits since the game itself is earning them mere pocket change. They can't be bothered to sink in any time or effort into a game that they themselves view as a burden by now.
I mean how do you even fix the bot problem in the first place?
@@thebushbros6626 By improving the anti-cheat. The issue is that Valve is no longer a gaming company, they can't be bothered with stuff like that.
@@trickstabber8117 You didn't answer their question... it is like saying you'll cure world hunger by having people eat food. Okay but how do you produce the food and transport it?
How do you improve anti-cheat?
Bots/Cheats are on user end and if forced to will be made more human like, like the top 5% of players. Do you just start banning everyone that is skilled? Then the bots drop to the new roof. It all dies.
You will always hit a point where there is simply nothing you can do without giving TF2 dangerous access to your device... access to the point where if someone hacked TF2's servers they could have access to millions of computers.
User side problems are a nightmare to fix because you just can't.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 All I can say is that other mulitplayer games manage just fine because having a ton of hackers running wild would be bad for reputation, hence the business. Valve has the ability to fix this within a month, the issue is that they don't care about the game. I can't blame them, however, this game came out in 2007 and is just a burden at this point. If the controversies around the hackers were bigger and Valve's reputation was at greater risk, they would most certainly respond more efficiently. Deep down, I believe they aren't too dissatisfied about their game being finally destroyed, it would save them time and money to completely shut it down at this point.
@@thebushbros6626 Not by restricting voice commands. Chat and voice chat is ok, but really? Commands?
3:03 i remember in a max difficulty boot camp round there were 3 dudes who talked though voice chat then was an engineer who used the chat and me who had nothing to speak with. The medic told us that if needed crits to just ask him, i tried everything to caught his attention for "me need crits to put sticky trap plsss" didn't work and for some reason im still sad about it.
I started playing in 2015 I think. After years of being away from the game, and wanting to play after seeing a resurgence of UA-cam content for it, I booted it up again.
Could you believe my surprise when I would die multiple times after not being able to call for medic? All I wanted was to use voice commands but I couldn't even do that.
Killed the mood so badly with the addition of the bots that I just stopped playing entirely. I don't care if they add more updates or more hats or more things to pay for. Those things were never the reason I played anyway.
Thank you for making this video @UnusualSandwich. I knew instantly what this video was about before clicking it and I am glad someone is actually talking about how big of a change this was for little to no benefit for the initial problem.
As a F2P I can't call medic. Just because of that reason, I became a medic main (but still plays the other classes for fun).
Is it because of the passive healing?
@@dumbvillage9253 1: Yes
2: Because I dont have to call medic anymore
I mean, it feels good to activate medic god mode for a few minutes
Seeing you excited over the haunted scrap gave me flashbacks to little me in 2010 or 11? God when was it, absolutely gunning for that axe.
Still have it to this day.
2:15 that's a great idea. Pixels should collect dust.
Voice cmds being restricted is the dumbest decision ever
and bots still spam lmao
I saw a cheater with an unusual, new update unusual s users can’t talk
The problem is that the voice chat and text chat spam isn’t a true problem. You can just put in an anti spam system. Both were just things they had access to without restriction. Now they have a choice. They don’t need to have the voice chat to ruin a server. They also don’t need to make every bot speak. Just one can be enough to F a server. Now Bot hosters just have to use their brains a little more.
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Just installed tf2, and since im a f2p, people thought i was a bot, and they kicked me right when i joined, even worse is that if you get called out, you can't talk to defend yourself so you basically have to accept the votekick. I dont even know how to killbind.
I've played this game for more than a decade, and I notice over these last few years of the games life in particular, how the sense of a cohesive community both INSIDE and outside the game feel eroded and diminished to a noticable degree. There are too many sub-metas within the overall meta that split players apart into these cliques that have very clear dividing lines, and not having that ability for free to play players to communicate with both intermediate or even pro players or interact in the game only keeps to segregate players rather than keep the community cohesive
As I Free to player I can confirm this guy is a hero for Us Free to play players and its really hard to play as we cant chat or voice chat or even voice command but this is video is really good for you guys to tell valve to give free to play players voice chat or Text chat #SaveTF2F2P Players
We gotta get this into recommendations
im a F2P for 12 years end i must say its the best thing ever.
i remember finding the meet the scout video, and i was so intrigued, the fast, cocky attitude of scout made me feel that i would play this game forever, and even though i couldn’t talk, i had so much fun finding out how to play the game, and meeting the funny community. i love this game so much.
7:20 This idea is worse than the alternative of removing f2p chat, Jesus... this is Valve not blizzard lol
breh this is stupid...
Bro r u just salty that u wouldn't be able to spam lewd or just annoying statements in the chat?
@@void6482 what? Total NSFW Death. I’m not a fan of the idea of turning tf2 into overwatch. Keep chat unmoderated.
Unpopular opinion but sure u do u I guess 👍
@@void6482 If you think this is an unpopular opinion you’ve never played tf2
5:01 i think you messed up the editing
0:41 dont you mean an ambassador?
oh wait, the eviction notice was a pun lmao
I remember back when I was F2P I was playing sniper and someone accused me of cheating. I ended up getting kicked because I couldn't tell them something that very obviously proved this wasn't true.
I had 0 kills.
Your gameplay edits during this video are phenomenal and I feel like not enough people have mentioned it
I have 782 hours in tf2 and am still a f2p, and i quit since i never got up the courage to ask my dad to buy a key for text chat
well did you ask
the one thing that infuriates me the most about f2p accounts is the 50 item limit, forcing you to literally delete your items and cosmetics to play
Who said? Every Christmas you get a backpack extender
Extends your backspace by a lot
it's still somewhat surreal to see other people using voidHUD
Wanna feel PTSD from TF 2020?
_”CAN YA QUACK?”_
Just update that damn VACNET. Today's Valve employees are all lazy. and the ignorant. The developers of the 2000s and the developers of the 2010s were all legendary. mostly Mr. Raitt. TF2 comics creator
I may have been a Free-To-Play for only a week or so, but the restriction of wanting to communicate with others during that time was hard. I now have the ability to use voice chat, voice commands, and text chat. Even though I have those things now, I still feel like a Free-To-Play still. Thank you for giving us Free-To-Plays some attention.
I remember when I started playing tf2, the bot Crisis began literally two days after. And playing without voice and text chat was kinda sad, cause it is one of the most funny things in tf2. But what was really bad, is bots Disguising as ME and being a bot. Couple of times I got kicked like this, cause I Just couldn't tell or text that they were kicking me, not the bot. Also not being able to call Medic isn't greatest idea
I managed to get my brother into tf2 about a month ago and as a gift I bought him the jungle inferno contract, giving him premium but for some reason he still can't use chat. He just got scammed
i just upgraded to premium too. i can use text chat but not voice chat. glad to know i’m not the only one.
@@bellakateartsyou need to also be a steam premium account aka having money in yoru strma account
You need to be a steam premium account aka domrorn who has funds added to their account
@@MarouaneTF i have 80 dollars in steam funds
I gotta stop watching to question the dudes username at 3:13
I started playing again last week after at least 8 years of being gone from TF2 and I was pretty shocked to realize I couldn't communicate in any way. I took the opportunity to finally upgrade to Premium, mostly for the extra backpack space, and while I don't regret the $5 spent but I still really wish F2P could communicate like premium accounts, it really is inconvenient
I had no idea f2ps can't even use voice commands. If Blizzard did that for Overwatch 2 you wouldn't hear the end of it.
0:40 even worse a hat crate
A further tinfoil hat point is that, because botters are spending money to make their bot accounts premium (probably from stolen credit cards), Valve now has a monetary incentive to NEVER fix the bot problem. I'd be willing to wager botting makes Valve more money than regular players ever could.
That... Actually makes sense.
It would depend how much they're spending. If they're buying 3 cent cases then that doesn't make sense but if they bought keys I could very much see how this goes.
No clue how DOTA works but if it has an in game market then this might be wrong because they just banned a bunch of cheaters.
I got into tf2 when I was searching up something on yt and accidentally clicked on meet the spy I watched it because I had recognized the characters especially scout, and then that’s all I wanted to do, watch videos about it. I begged and begged for so long that my parents would let me get it until they finally and started my f2p experience, and as any f2p did I looked up how to get my voice communications to work and I was devastated to find out f2ps can’t use voice communications unless they want to buy it
hi, free to play here
100 ish hours on the game and i get really goddamn excited seeing that “you got a new item” notification, but my hopes are crushed when it’s my 3rd base jumper or a tribalmans shiv
As a f2p, thank you for making us known.
IMO TF2 is slightly pay to win, having more weapons to deal with situations makes it that. I don't like the default weapons are usually better argument, because that doesn't matter. Simply being given more options is enough to make it slightly pay to win.
There's also extremely good items like the wrangler, jarate, mad milk. And the fact most stock melee weapons are useless.
Yeah, I wish I could get them faster. It took me a couple months as an f2p to get what I needed.
Unlockables randomly drop approximately every fifteen minutes, many of them are obtainable through achievements and they cost peanuts anyway, so... Eh?
@@AliceLoverdrive Not quite "every fifteen minutes" - about an hour on average iirc. And also weekly cap.
@@AliceLoverdrive I feel like every 15 minutes is a exaggeration but yeah that's true. Playing a decent amount will get you items fairly fast. It's more about the players who don't have these. luckily a lot of the best items like the Wrangler and Jarate are achievement drops.
Also I remember needing to buy a backback as a f2p because I couldn't hold any more weapons lol.
@@defaultface7273 I think it's beneficial for new players to only have access to stock, tbh, for several reasons:
1) So they aren't overwhelmed by the number of options (a decent amount of which are either just plain bad or demand more skill)
2) So the new weapons are exciting and fresh. If everything is unlocked from the start, there's way less incentive to experiment.
video: talking about f2ps
background: THE CART IS NEARING OUR CHECKPOINT
"only time will tell"
Yet a whole year past, nothing bad has gone better
2:23 Funny info and Real fact: o 520 and 518 Success is exactly the same for 6-8 Years. Valve never added new achievements again.
Crazy to think ive been playing this game longer than a lot of people watching this video have been alive, i miss the old days without skins and crazy weapons
holy shit how have I been playing for this long and only now realized that you can slowly build your inventory from the random drops, metal.
loving your content right now! keep up the amazing videos
8:06 no it's not going towards p2w; it's the fact bots are insanely difficult to deal with.
the single most important part of a game is allowing new players in, and being fun
That's two parts.
Double Most Important.
@@yazidefirenze yes.
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it was so frustrating getting kiceked in 2020 when a bot stole my name and i coldent even defend myself
Yeah i know some people think being f2p is a option since you can Just buy anything for 5 dollars but for people who live in poor countrys like me (Brazil) it's almost Impossible to convive your parents to buy It unless ur a adult getting a job, not being able to kick bots or Just to communicate that there's a bot is so sad.
I've been playing since uhhh like 2010, so I spent my $20 on tf2 and I've gotten many happy hours out of the game. To this day I still think it was a shitty, cheap, lazy solution to make communication a paid feature instead of just implementing chat filters. Like, bots are spouting slurs or censored near-slurs? Delete the message and put their chat on cooldown! After X strikes on their account, Ban them for Y days!
Idk if you can tell but I subscribe to the money loving scumbag Valve theory