When i went to my first sacrament meeting I wore a green button up shirt with blue jeans a cowboy boots,I stood out like a sore thumb but everyone I talked to was very nice just wear what you feel comfortable in
Yeah when I was investigating in the church I showed up in Jeans and shirt. They made me feel so welcome I just kept going and going until I asked if I could meet with the missionaries. Ha ha
I'm a member and have been my whole life but one morning I had work to take care of and didn't think I'd make it to church so didn't get dressed in my Sunday best and went to take care of my work but when I was mostly finished and only had one more errand to deal with Ifelt strongly that I should at least make it to sacrament meeting so I did even while wearing a hoodie and leggings and sure I felt a bit weird but no one made a big deal or bothered me about it and I'm just grateful I got to be there that Sunday.
I’ve been doing a lot of research & studying on my own learning about the LDS faith & this channel has helped a lot. I haven’t met with missionaries yet but I’m thinking about it, this is one of the best videos from the channel though! Justin & David are definitely my 2 favorites 💪
I’ve showed up to church multiple times without white shirt and tie. I’ve had scrubs, pollo-like shirts, other types of button-ups, and I think a t-shirt once... I usually forgot I was dressed different.
When I was a kid (80's) our bishop occasionally wore yellow or pink shirts, and one of the counselors had a full sleeve tatoos from his time as a marine.
As a very religious person, I find it confusing that people prioritize ease over truth. I totally understand "I don't believe X religion is true," but I don't think it's very mature to not follow a religion merely because it's challenging. About tattoos, have you guys heard of Al Carraway? She has tattoos and is an LDS convert. About the tattoos and amputees, someone fell for that joke, I'm sure of it hahahahaha Finally, this video was so funny. I love you guys' sense of humor!
This is an awesome episode! One thing about white shirts: The only statement is that youth are encouraged according to the handbook to wear a white shirt while administering the sacrament to prepare for the temple (and their mission...?), but even in that case you're not allowed to not stop them from having another shirt color nor telling them not to wear it since, at the end of the day, your salvation is not depended on a shirt color
What is your salvation dependent on then, on Gods gospel? In 1 Corinthians 15:1=4, OR something ELSE like enduring to the end and being fully Repentent, By your works of the LAW OF MOSAS Or is it by faith like Abraham? HE believed God and it was counted To him for RIGHTEOUSNESS he was made WRIGHT with God because he believed had faith,, Abraham was befor the LAW he lived befor MOSAS, Salvation was never by The LAW it was always by FAITH ......
@@pauldunn7000 Mormons believe that Jesus alone saves us or “by grace alone”. It is our works however that ultimately decide where we end up (celestial, terrestrial, telestial). Most Christian’s don’t realize that they don’t believe in grace because they say you have to have faith to be saved which faith in and of itself is a work, it’s hard to have faith if your not actively pursuing God. But great comment though👍
@@ashtonrollins5416 It is Jesus, the father and the holy spirit that will decide where you Go, and YOUR works have nothing to do with it. As if men could decide for God by anything they do, we are nothing but filthy sinners before the holy righteous God. Try as you might and you and me will be filthy sinners. I'm not that bad because of the things works I do, is the soul killing lies of satan. Do you think God hasn't used satans evil people as well as his own people for His own works to bring about His own EXPRESSED Will ? God will get his way in all things past , present, and future, God wins and he gives you free will to do what's in you to do even if it takes your soul to hell, that you don't believe of God, one of satans greatest lies, there no hell. I can only pray for you, do all you can do, God can use you too.
@@pauldunn7000 “doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?… Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone… Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?… Ye see then how that BY WORKS a man is justified, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY.” James 2 apparently does not exist to you. I’m not gonna preach to you about how your going to hell and that I’m right and your wrong. Quite frankly because it is not that simple. Furthermore I am assuming you are a follower of the Lutheran faith I.e. most Christian denominations, because you are a firm believer in faith alone. Are you aware that more than 75 books have been taken out of the holy Bible during Martin Luther’s time and deemed “not canon” or in other words they didn’t fit to his beliefs. In fact he almost took out the gospel of James altogether as I just quoted because it in fact disproves this notion of “faith alone”. Martin Luther molded the Bible to fit his and your beliefs rather than fit his beliefs to the Bible. So yes I will “try as I might” because that is what is expected of us. And of course I understand I am a sinner, a daily sinner. I am addicted to sin and I deserve to burn in hell. But gods grace has saved us all and it’s up to our works, as preached by the apostle James, where we will ultimately be judged in accordance to God. I appreciate your prayers as well, God knows I could use them.
@@ashtonrollins5416 First, Faith is a gift from God, in the midst of evidence all around us. How ever james chapter 2. is showing the people of God with true faith, how to know if those that come have a true faith that saves or a false PROPHESION of faith that canot save. So how do we know, if they have true faith or false faith BY WHAT THEY SAY AND DO , there works , the gift of faith from God works in what they say and do , so , a PROPHESION of faith without the WORKS of God in what they 《 SAY》about God and faith is how one knows the diference Because faith without works is dead faith that canot save to the utmost, it's just a false PROPHESION of faith A LIE if you will . Fake it till you make it , or not. This is what jesus's half brother is saying here, read James chapter 2 again and stop putting outside meaning into the text corrupting the word of God. I'm getting on my knees to pray for you to see Ashton right now.
Aloha- we have men wearing lots of different shirts to church both non members and members. We are always happy to have visitors to the island attend. Being there is more important than dress code. If I recall correctly President Hinckley made a recommendation not a commandment of white shirts for men and no facial hair. Prophetic preference not a commandment.
The answers about rules seem to boil down to: do what you want but there will be consequences. Which basically is saying in an obtuse way, that you have to do them. Getting a temple recommend is theologically essential for complete salvation. Yes you’re saved by faith but you only get into the crappy heaven where Hitler will end up “Telestial Kingdom.” I thought God loves all his children equally and that we are all equal before God. Which begs the question, why would God divide us in eternity? Three tiers of Heaven, and then sub tiers within each. That sounds a lot like a caste system of the dead, reminiscent of Vedic beliefs about reincarnation and getting placed in an appropriate amount of happiness relative to your past faithfulness to the law.
Well, that’s the thing, we *can* drink, but we shouldn’t. The typo there, was put there on purpose, as they go on to joke about how it’s not possible for you *not* to be able to drink. They are trying to get at that you *can* do anything, but the thing is, you *shouldn’t*.
@@thomasallen83 why you shouldn't drink? Because it's not written in the Bible 1 time GOD said that we shouldn't , Jesus turned water to wine. Abraham drank wine and in Deuteronomy 14:25-26 GOD said it's ok to drink alcohol
Personally I believe free agency is not activated until u hear about 1. God 2. Jesus 3. The restoration. People will do what they want but when u know right from wrong, that’s when you’re accountable for your actions.
@@coffeedrinkingisnotasin6049 im going give the two here the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't lying about Oaks quote.. But just misconstrued it. He didn't say anyone it said the leaders of the church and he said even if the crictism is True it's still wrong to do so.
When did he say it? What talk was it from? Was it in Conference? Please share where you got this information. I'd like to varify it and I'd like to hear in which context it was spoken.
@@coalhouse1981 That quote (said over 30 years ago) is taken out of context, and Oaks even clarifies it in the PBS documentary. He says: "I also said something else that has excited people: that it’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true, because it diminishes their effectiveness as a servant of the Lord. One can work to correct them by some other means, but don’t go about saying that they misbehaved when they were a youngster or whatever. Well, of course, that sounds like religious censorship also. But not everything that’s true is useful. I am a lawyer, and I hear something from a client. It’s true, but I’ll be disciplined professionally if I share it because it’s part of the attorney-client privilege. There’s a husband-wife privilege, there’s a priest-penitent privilege, and so on. That’s an illustration of the fact that not everything that’s true is useful to be shared. In relation to history, I was speaking in that talk for the benefit of those that write history. In the course of writing history, I said that people ought to be careful in what they publish because not everything that’s true is useful. See a person in context; don’t depreciate their effectiveness in one area because they have some misbehavior in another area - especially from their youth. I think that’s the spirit of that. I think I’m not talking necessarily just about writing Mormon history; I’m talking about George Washington or any other case. If he had an affair with a girl when he was a teenager, I don’t need to read that when I’m trying to read a biography of the Founding Father of our nation."
Pretty much the only rules that will effect someone are no alcohol or coffee, paying tithing , and generally not dressing as though you're trying to turn someone on. well, and no premarital sex. But that's a Christian (even just overall religious) thing in general, though most Christians ignore it because it's inconvenient to modern culture. But worst case scenario if you aren't antagonistic towards the church, you're fine as you are, you just wont be temple worthy if you're living a worldly life without cutting those things out of your day.
I didn't serve a mission because I wasn't willing to get myself worthy to serve. Now that I've turn my life back to Chrust and found solid ground, I do have a lot of guilt for not getting myself right. Maybe I'll have an opportunity in the future, but being married with kids makes things harder. I pray I'll have an opportunity to serve God and spread His word. I just need to keep myself close to the spirit.
Maybe you should look into doing a service mission with your wife. My neighbors did one where once a week they helped at the MTC so maybe there's something similar you could do even with everything you have going on.
@midnightrose1797 I dream of such an opportunity. Unfortunately my wife has closed herself off to the church. At the time all I can do is provide an example for her and to pray for her heart to soften.
@54cutler I see. Well I hope the future has many blessings and changes instore for you both. For now maybe your mission is to love and be an example of the love Christ has for you and all those around you.
@54cutler I had this thought and knew I needed to share it with you. There is a podcast you can watch on UA-cam called the Come Back podcast where members who left the church tell their stories of coming back to the church along with their struggles. Hopefully this helps you have faith that yes your wife will come back one day and who knows maybe if you show her some of those stories she'll come back even sooner then you thought possible. Also a really good book that helped me recently is called Believing Christ: a parable of a bicycle and other good news. It helped me understand the Atonement in ways I never thought could work in my life. I hope these help but if not keep holding on to your faith in Christ and He will continue to provide miracles and blessings.
I'm an ex-Mormon and at my use to be Church of Latter-day Saints (meaning I don't go there anymore) I was criticized for not wearing a dress. And then I confronted about my femininity even though I just don't like them but I will still dress feminine
If we are really being honest about the flawed culture, this cannot be surprising at all. Is it wrong for that to happen, definitely. Is it doctrinal? No. And I too am very sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, the “group think” conformity can be very much alive, when it shouldn’t be. Sadly, it often is prevalent in many groups, not only in churches. Conform or be cast-out. Fortunately, not everyone follows that.
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It's interesting, because Jesus actually did use profanity when he called the pharisees things like "brood of vipers" which in their culture was one of the worst things you could call someone. Also I'm guessing the "don't drink flamable things" was a joke? Or are you not allowed to use stuff like oil in cooking?
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS IN AWHILE!!! I can't stop laughing and relating so hard!X) I wanna make a billion comments, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who compared church to a book clubxD I'm just gunna say, all you guys are awesome and have helped immensely in my spiritual growth and journey back to the fold. Love you guys
Ikr smh. I see that as being a cultural rule. If they're leaders publicly stated you members couldn't question him then the world would instantly realize the church is a cult. Instead, you learn it from the people around you. How do they speak about the leaders? What happens when someone says something against the leader? Etc. Unfortunately it's a common religious practice.
@@mikhite5711 aye your acting as everybody follows those rules like they said they’re more of guidelines to us members. I question my bishops ways more then plenty does that make me a bad “member” no. You can question the leaders words as much as you desire it’s guidelines, we just pray with faith that the leaders words & teachings by the power of the Holy Ghost is true & righteous in the eyes of our lord Jesus Christ . We are not a cult I promise with every part of me! You got to be open minded and find out by yourself :)
Whenever the gospel is condensed into a list of rules, you have competition within the congregation and either you have people lying in order to not get marked as a sinner and so sinning by lying or you have a bunch of people thinking they’re righteous because they’re better at keeping the rules. I’ll say 99% of the sins are secret and between the Lord and the believer. Paul said that the Law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. Talking about how easy it is for people to leave if they want is just being dishonest, most Mormon is they leave they Lose their family and entire social construct. They are pretty much stuck? And then if you’re banned from sacrament ? Everyone will notice will they not? Publicly shame someone? Where is that healthy or fair ?
10:25 "but what if your personal revelation goes against what the prophet has counselled you" Early on in the video you state that everyone is allowed to "question", yet your statement at 10:25 contradicts that sentiment. Your mindset seems to be that the prophet receives revelation for the body of the church, correct? Any time you set a leader up as receiving council for the remainder of the members you have a dynamic that discourages questioning at the very least. Just because there isn't a rule that specifically states "thou shalt not question" doesn't mean the culture isn't there. This is how the BITE model works. It's not about rules enforced by force, it's about the power-dynamic that exists due to deemed authority among the members. When people say "you are not allowed to question", they aren't trying to say you will be put to death or kicked out for questioning, they are referring to the power/authority dynamic that exists. Google and read about the BITE model.
I understand your thought process, but then again there are numerous talks, from said leading authority, about having doubts, asking in faith, studying to find answers, and receiving personal revelation. At the end of the day, everything you do is between you and God. Everyone can receive personal revelation, but only the prophet and authorities can receive revelation for members and the church. Think of it like this, if God needs 90% of his members to go on missions, he will instruct the prophet to instruct the people. He will handle the other 10% through personal revelation. I hope this makes sense!
If the revelation to both the Prophet and to you is truely from God, then it will not conflict. If it does, then maybe consider the source of one of them to be questionable.
You are allowed to question, but don't be so skeptical that you don't accept anything that comes your way. Asking questions is a huge way to build a testimony. "Doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith," but "If any of ye lack wisdom, let him ask of God," You know?
Have you listened to or read Elder Holland"s talk from Oct 1995? This Do In Remembrance If Me. He kinda answers why white shirts are worn - but it's not a "uniform". Realize this Gen Conf talk was given maybe before you were born - or at least when you were too young to remember.
You can learn much about whether or not the church is more likely a cult by googling the "BITE" model. You will learn much of what the world outside of the cult thinks about cults. Would be pretty hard to do the wierd air quotes or drop in pictures when discussing the fit of things post knowing what the BITE model is.
Thank you! I was searching the comments to see if someone said this! This religion is a cult. Many Christian denominations are cults. When people hear "cult" they think of sacrificing babies and drinking blood. So obviously they then say "I'm not in a cult." Cults aren't about weird or gross things it's about CONTROL and this church is controlling as hell!
@@mikhite5711 Amen brother.. saying cult to a mormon is worse than just randomly saying the F word.. but... this is by design so people won't actually think about how perchance a cult might maintain possession of minds and lives to an astoundingly powerful degree (to the tune of 100+ billion dollars of granny and grampy and scared following kid money for life.. it does matter that the means are beyond evidentiary to have been calculated (google B.H. Roberts and Joseph Fielding Smith), intentional, and amassed their quickly invested millions to grow to billions now off of men and women who grew up in the ages when you did such things as stood at attention with crisp uniform for a physician (as a nurse under his direction) or did the divers things you see in 1950s and 1960s era commercials (housewives and working men duties).. a cult is exactly what you made likewise notice of, and that is the methods of control and manipulation to exploit people.. which the LDS church absolutely is beyond Muhammed Ali level status at doing. Another interesting search for any who might find a small deficit in fully acknowledging that might google "lds church heart-sell" or something like that. The church's marketing money making branch coined the term to use mormon control tactics to generally appeal to entrepreneurs and businesses in "making the customer feel emotions to buy your product". Glad I and my children are free of this corruption of the philosophies of men mingled with scripture and mind control.
Many around the world don’t know about the restoration of the church so missionaries are needed to speak to people about it. If u grew up in the church and you’re blessed for it, why would u not want more people to know about it. Why would u keep that to yourself? Serving a mission is a no brainer.
Shiloh Boca I am a convert and i do Not like to go on a mission because I think it’s Not the Right way for me to do. I do not think it is a no brainer.
i don't know if it's a no brainer, even for people born into the church. going on a mission is something god calls you to do, some people just aren't meant to do it. if it's a part of God's plan for you, then it will nost likely happen, but some people aren't meant to go on missions.
In the late 1800's rumors circulated that blood oaths and devil worshiping were taking place in the Salt Lake temple in an attempt to paint the Mormons as evil cult, especially in the east. So when people we traveling through Utah would believe we were Devils and must have horns. This is my understanding of where it started.
I am Mormon and have a priesthood and believe that Paul covers marriage in Corinthians in saying that spouses don't even have to be believers but if pleased to dwell with them it is fine.
i believe he did, but the thing about prophets and apostles and everyone in and out of the church is that we’re all human and we have opinions and make mistakes. his statement about not questioning leaders could’ve totally just been a think he believed but it’s not how we operate in the church
As a convert, I find that I might have more questions from curiosity’s sake than from anything else. I have learned much from my observations than any other form of inquiry. As an example, when I joined, I was told to wear what I considered my best. That has turned out to be a suit/tuxedo and is what I have continued to wear for church. Nobody has said anything derogatory despite it being slightly more dressy than other forms of dress that I see. If anything, I am told that I look sharp, that I look nice etc. Whether one of our young men passing sacrament saw me or not, he has worn a black suit with a bow tie (I can’t detect a stripe on the pants to determine if it is a tuxedo). Another young man does wear a tux only with a long tie, so overall our ward has a number of people who dress to their own liking and all of it is modest. I’m probably going to shock some when I wear a print shirt with my grey suit, but we’ll see when it happens. Overall the point I am driving at is that all of us might dress up, but we still do so with modesty I mind. I might be a bit over the top in my dressing, but it is my best and that’s what is important overall. After all church is not a circus atmosphere but a place to contemplate life and seek out a spiritual connection for questions unknown and known to help people become more complete as we’re supposed to. All rules and commandments are in place to help us along the path to enlightenment and completion.
Absolutely! It's great to hear that you've found a comfortable and stylish way to express yourself at church. It's also wonderful that your ward appreciates your effort and style. Modesty and respect are key, and it's awesome to see everyone embracing their own unique preferences while maintaining a reverent atmosphere. Keep being true to yourself and seeking that spiritual connection; you're on the right path for continued enlightenment and growth!
J. Golden Kimball used to be known as the swearing Prophet. He wasn't a prophet, but that was his nickname. He was a general authority around the turn of the century. (1900's) He was a cowboy, and he grew up using swear words and had a hard time trying to not use them.
Well in the early days of the church, are members once belonged to other church's that smoke and drank, and they may have swore back then as well! So over time once, we had the word of was introduced by the prophet and the members gave things up, to obey the word of wisdom!
Oh my gosh flippity darn dangit! What a brave institute teacher! What a gall-Dern J Kimball and Porter making the sheltered youngins reared ever so nigh of today still quiver and sheepishly smile behind a covering hand over saying damn or hell! Wow! What awful things to say and how they could even sleep at night or even have "the priesthood" is beyond me!! Galldern flippety darn dangit and snap! Flippety flip snap!!
I am just watching this. The white shirt and tie thing is mentioned in the general handbook in the priesthood section. It states if you can afford them and they are available they are strongly encouraged to be worn. Not a full blown rule, but it is a respect thing.
Avatar!? WAIT! YOU'RE ALLOWED TO WATCH CARTOONS!? NO JOKE, I SAW A UA-cam VIDEO THAT SAID KIDS COULDN'T EVEN HAVE ACTION FIGURES OF WHOLESOME CHARACTERS LIKE CAPTAIN AMERICA!!
Someone lied to you. Nerd culture was big in the LDS Church before it was popular. BYU was one of the first universities with official Quidditch matches. Back in the 80's there was a General Conference that quoted Yoda.
The Gospel of Christ found complete in the Bible, never needed restoration, and Mormon theology has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Christ!!!!!
The Gospel of Christ found complete in the Bible, never needed restoration, and Mormon theology has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Christ!!!!! Would welcome the opportunity to respectfully refute you're testimony and conversion from a purely biblical standpoint
This video actually is more honest if you realize when they say "advised" it means it's a rule. They seem to think a rule of the Church is only such if the church will physically take away your recommend if you do it (or don't). However, in the Mormon church, council and advice ARE rules because punishments and rewards are assigned to them. Their perspective is like me saying "my daughter doesn't have to take the garbage out...I won't kick her out of my house if she doesn't..it's just advised so that she doesn't get grounded this weekend." In their Mormon view, taking the garbage out wouldn't be a rule...just advised. She's deciding to accept the consequences that follow her decision...to follow my advice or not...not me forcing her to take out the garbage. This is Mormon Think.
Hi I already have a mission call and I need to know the truth behind why the Views of the Hebrew and Te Book of Mormon have similar patterns? Like the Urimm and thumim the Golden Plates, while in the Views of the Heb were Golden leaves and both can be found on a hill and the Distraction of Jerusalem and etc. I don't doubt these things because I really have a testimony of the Book of Mormon, I just really need to clarify about these things☺️ Thank you so much, I hope I can be clarify about that different books but have similarities inside. Also I learned that Oliver Cowdery was in the organization of the author of The Views of the Hebrews which were published on 1823, before he transfered to a place where Joseph was and then helps Joseph Smith to translate the Book of Mormon which were publish on 1830, is it possible that Oliver Cowdery plagiarized some of the content in the View of the Hebrew? Please help me hehe ☺️
11:20 I went to Tennessee for my proselyting mission. I came home 3 weeks to the day after arriving, due to some unforseen circumstances. I have been since reassigned to a service mission, and both have been the most important parts of my life. The more interesting part? I chose to come home.
My answer from LDS when you ask, "Why are you not allowed to do X?" "Because X can be addictive". Fear of the unknown, while most of the population isn't addicted to X
This video makes me think of my grandpa, but i don't know why. To help myself cope with his death and to help the agorithm, I'm going to write a little bit about him. He was a convert to the church in his early 20's, sealed in the temple to my biological grandmother and they had several kids (the last of whom was my mom). Eventually he and my grandmother were divorced, I don't know all the details on why, something I do know is that woman had an diagnosed bipolar disorder and she was abusive in many ways to her children. Through the course of the divorce process, he was given full custody of all the children under the law, but in the church he was excomunicated. Local church leaders trusted her word about how my papa was the evil one in the relationship. Well, several years later he remarried to the grandmother I know, and many years after that he was rebaptized and my grandmother was also baptized into the LSD church. Until his death, he was one of the most spiritually influencial people in my life. After he died, I was given access to read his patriarical blessing and in it I was astounded. This was given to him after his first marriage but before everything else happened. Part of his blessing tells him that he will see the corruption inside the Lords church and that many of satans agents will attempt to stop his worthiness. 12:30, i'm a woman and i'm about to prepare for a mission kinda out of guilt. I never wanted to go on one, i never really gave it much thought. But at the point i'm currently at, if I will regret it for the rest of my life if I don't go-- I will regret it until I'm able to repent, but idk when/how that would be so I think i should just go now and not make the mistake of missing my oprotunity.
Members always make up their own rules that are not true and are just oppressing. For example I have heard: you have to have a white shirt, you need to pass the sacrement with the right hand, you can't seat there because it's for the angles (for real, that's what they used to say when you went to the swiss Temple)...ect . I'm so glad things are changing and the false rules are being pointed out and done away.
Funny story: my best friend gave a talk in sacrament when we were deacons, and he swore in his talk. Most awkward moment in the history of that building😂
Funny story. A swear in a talk. Same thing here. Mormons are funny. My mormon family when I was little was playing categories game. We were listing drinks, beverages. It got to me, we were running low, I said vodka. It was awkward. Like the spirit got the hell out of the room immediately. Haha, bloody mormons. Just the word? What was the swear word he said?
When considering these question, it's useful to identify several things. Learn to identify Doctrine, Policy, Culture, and Tradition. These all play a role in any church organization. Confusion often arise from misidentifying the differences between these four concepts. Policy sometimes looks like Doctrine. Tradition sometimes looks like Policy. The truth is, there are many things within our LDS church that are misunderstood because of a failure to recognize what a practice is. As a practice, try to identify at least one aspect of the church that fits into each of these four categories.
3:40 - "It’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks. You knew someone was gonna post it so, there ya go : ) Fair Mormon claims it is taken out of context, but I think you just showed he meant what he said, but gave him the benefit of adding - or anyone else, and the caveat of being constructive criticism. Plenty of church leaders (LDS and otherwise) have deserved criticism over the years, and if so they should receive it.
The Fundamentals Podcast, the Biblical name “Satan” is most often translated from the Greek “Slanderer” or the Hebrew “adversary.” Both words refer to someone who attacks another verbally or through gossip/media. The spirit of God, however, teaches people not to criticize for the sake of attacking people, and Jesus makes it clear that when you judge you should make sure that your judgement is just/righteous. You shouldn’t judge by appearance, but by truth. There are several examples in the scriptures were people with the spirit of the devil made crimes appear against righteous people using partial truths, when the core of what they were saying was a lie. The most notable was what they said about the savior himself. He was condemned after being accused of conspiracy against the government and tax evasion. All of which the lawyers (liers) found evidence to support, but in the end it was still a lie.
@@devonblake731 Thanks for your response. Criticism and condemnation are not quite the same, and criticism can be presented without condemnation, in hopes of positive change. And if the criticism is indeed TRUE, then it is not on the whole a worthwhile effort to not criticize at all, no matter how high in stature the subjects of the criticism. If there was no criticism of polygamy, racism, exclusion, sexism, blood atonement, etc in the LDS church in particular, we may very well still have those things. But, because the criticism was worthwhile, change has been made many times. There's no need to bring the devil and the savior into the argument, as we are talking about men. We have no perfect system, but there are no perfect men, even those in charge who admonish criticism. Cheers.
@@devonblake731 If you're serious, I would advise looking that up. Brigham Young was a fan, and said some things very much worthy of criticism concerning it. One of the many reasons the church no longer publishes the Journal of Discourses.
@@devonblake731 He was the prophet of the church, who claimed that what he said was as good as scripture, which is why Journal of Discourses was collected and published. It is not a 'belief' of mine that blood atonement taught. " ... There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it.” - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 108-109 (Correction - Vol.3 p. 247). Please feel free to answer your questions with your own sincere inquiry. It has never been more possible to do, and it is your freedom to do so.
"You're going to heaven too..."? (abt 5:18) So, one can enjoy ALL the blessings of God without being baptized by the proper authority (only held by the LDS church) and without having LDS temple endowments? How novel an idea! Did the church not teach that the reference to gnashing of teeth, etc.. was the eternal torment of knowing that one could have enjoyed all the blessings but now can't (for all eternity) because they didn't accept the teachings/authority of the church?
We believe there’s no such thoughts in heaven no matter where you end up. Just happiness, this isn’t doctrine but I believe we’ll feel content in our judgement.
@@ashtonrollins5416 Who is included in "we"? Yourself, your group or the church?. If the church, care to cite a scripture or prophet on that? What then of the description of condemnation given in scriptures? Do they refer only to those who are cast into outer darkness? Curious, I could be wrong.
@@rickskeptical having no sadness is a pretty general belief when referencing heaven. I would say most Christian denominations believe that. For example I believe cursing is a sin but I don’t know if a general authority has talked about it or not. It’s just a general belief.
@@ashtonrollins5416 Statement on heaven may be true as a general christian belief. What is being discussed here is LDS theology. Cursing has been covered by prophets. I don't really care what the other general authorities may say since it can always be dismissed as their opinion. I would suggest a deep study into LDS theology past and present. The question still remains, what do the scriptures refer to when citing the pain and anguish one may feel after judgement (in LDS theology)?
@@rickskeptical Mormons by definition are Christians. A belief in Jesus Christ and his teachings I would say classifys a Christian. A simple google search here , “Mormons regard Jesus Christ as the central figure of their faith”. Anyways here is a verse from one of our sacred Mormon books called the Holy Bible, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” -Revelation 21:4 There’s also plenty versus in the Bible that suggest there will be emotions in heaven so again this is all up to interpretation. And again to my first comment I clearly stated this is not doctrine just what I would say most Mormons believe from I have heard anyways. Great questions tho keep it up 👍
@@bossey22 The May 2019 Handbook 2 instructs, "When referring to Church members, it is preferable to use the phrase “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” As a shortened reference, “Latter-day Saints” is preferred and “Mormons” is acceptable. The word Mormon will continue to be used in proper names like the Book of Mormon. It will also continue to be used as an adjective in phrases such as “Mormon pioneers.” In addition, it may be necessary to use the word Mormon to identify the Church as it is commonly known in some countries."
No lie I got baptized in April but my friend wanted to go out drinking for her birthday a few months later. So she wanted me to take a birthday shot with her and I reluctantly said yes. Oh my goodness the WORST stomach ache of my life!!! Prior to baptism tequila was my SHTUFF man. I could handle it, but once I had the spirit that stuff hurt my physically. So yeah that's my testimony on the WoW. 😂😂😂
These guys are kind hearted and sincere. Great job sharing what you believe, but be sure to research the LDS church. In History of the Church V. 6, pages 408-409, Joseph Smith claimed he was better than Jesus in keeping the church together. Just think, is your testimony about Jesus or more about Joseph Smith? Joseph Smith was a false prophet, do not be misled.
This entry in History of the Church is a secondary source at best and a synopsis by Thomas Bullock. As we see throughout the volume the words of the speakers are generalized and put in the first person. Our style of writing history has turned 180 degrees in the past century.
@@carterhouston3212 Was Thomas Bullock not a reliable Mormon historian? How about History of the Church volume 4 pp 461 where Joseph Smith says the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible? Or in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 345-346 and Journal of Discourses v6 p5 where he says God was not always God, but once was a man who dwelt on earth. When you are listening to the sermons on Sunday, how often is Jesus preached about? What was the last sermon in your church about?
loved the video! love being a Latter-Day Saint! Just a question, do yall think next time yall can look at the camera and not each other? ahah question of preference, but that's me
About tattoos... When I was younger, I used to think about some. I wanted to make "Choose The Right" phrase on my finger, near my CTR ring 😆😏 Sounds pretty crazy, but I really liked that idea!
It's sad how many people come up with bizarre conclusions about the church, mostly by hearsay and then think the church is weird, well yeah man if I believed half of whatever anyone told me I wouldn't have paid attention to actual truth.
At 13:14. People have short term memories. In 1998 President Hinckley said tattoos and body piercings are not allowed. However I have heard little mention of this recently by general authorities. But it is not recommended. Ears are okay for women.
At 17:12. Missionaries swimming. They can't swim while on missions. It is tempting because some mission calls are to very hot climates. This rule was in place by the 1990s, since a number of Elders and Sisters were drowning each year.
I was in the South Pacific in 1974-75 on an LDS mission. We swam all the time! Not against any rules. What the hell are you talking about? Where is that "rule" you speak of?
@@johnlee1352 They banned swimming for all missionaries back in the 90s since some elders drowned while swimming and surfing. Sounds like you had a good mission. Imagine serving today and not being able to swim in that great ocean water.
@@johnlee1352 It's in the current missionary handbook. New Era even did an article back in 1982 with the policy. See Elder Derrick "To Be in Control" (New Era, September 1982). Some missions today have additional rules set by mission presidents. Playing certain sports on p-day is not allowed. Many missionaries also have early curfews depending on the mission. I know one recent RM who told me he had a 6 pm curfew because there was crime and political unrest in that Latin American country.
We do. Why did you think we didn't? In fact our Sunday School curriculum rotates between the various scriptures. 2019 was focused on the New Testament. 2020 was focused on the Book of Mormon. 2021 will be focused on the D&C and parts of the Pearl of Great Price. 2022 will be the remaining section of the PoGP and the Old Testament. So the New Testament, which about half the size, receives the same amount of time as the Book of Mormon.
A better metaphor to people who join the church and complain is not people joining a book club but not reading the book, it is someone who joins a book club and spends all meeting telling people the clubs choice of book is evil. Or a good metaphor would be someone going to a movie theater and yelling about how bad the movie is in the middle of the movie.
People understand that religion isn’t about personal feelings. It’s either right or it’s wrong, regardless of how many rules it has. You can still BE A MORMON and not follow the rules (I actually know many members like that, and doctrine and covenants SPEAKS on these people, as they will still inherit a kingdom of glory. Those who choose not to follow inherent a terrestrial glory.)
Oooh, well, got as far as the cult bit. I'm sorry, but that is really not a fair portrayal at all. It is very common sentiment that one can ONLY be happy in the church and that to be moral and raise moral children, have true joy, etc., you must be a worthy member. People that leave, can't just leave. They are labeled apostates, they are talked down too or sometimes not talked to anymore at all. There are VERY damaging common practices around this and I really don't feel it is Christ like to try and play it off like a joke or no big deal.
I actually lived on Guam for 6 years and sunday best for most of the people there was jeans and a Polo shirt, so you can definitely wear whatever, as long as it is the best clothes you own.
I feel sorry for those who can't live their own lives. "You are free to do whatever you want, but if you do it there's spiritual consequences...", that kind of stuff sounds so crazy when you finally get out. Because it means that if you don't behave enough you'll suffer. Anyway, hope you guys get a chance to find things out for yourselves.
9:00 you mention bathroom humor, well here’s something for ya. It was a blustery day in the hundred acre wood where piglet started to smell something. He turns around only to find it was Pooh
Sorry I keep commenting .. But as for the mission thing why it may not be technically required there a huge social stigma on those men who don't.... I know I was there. There were plenty of girls who refused to date me because I wasn't RM....and some of them heard from there young women leaders...
And that stigma, that cultural rule, is what influences folks to go on missions so they won't be an outcast, a disappointment, unworthy. And that's just messed up to make someone think that all their life.
what if someone was drowning and they were the only people around who could save them? I feel like there would be some who would see someone drowning and be like, id love to help you but I'm not aloud to swim.
Yeah there is really people with that low of iq. Obviously if your religion has no evidence purely based off faith and has a lot of rules it's just control
I find it interesting how they went through the question about birth control so quickly. The Mormon church allows birth control??? Where does that line end? The pill? Condoms? Abortion???? What are the boundaries of birth control?
Technically the obligation is to be sufficiently prepared and worthy to serve a mission. Thomas S Monson the previous Prophet didn't serve one, so not required for Salvation.
My husband works nights so there's been days where he come to church in his work clothes, no-one cares. I care haha but everyone knows he works crazy hours.
At 15:16. Getting married in the temple. Yes if possible. For a number of reasons it may not be possible. The bishop can do the marriage and one year later (UK excepted) you can go to the temple. There are of course situations where one person is LDS, and so temple marriage will not happen.
I grew up mormon and never felt it. I was going through the motions trying to go along and make my family and friends happy from the early beginnings even before i was baptized. I was taught that we were the true gospel and every other religion was wrong but they didn't know it so it wasnt their fault, they just need to be enlightened and learn the true gospel. It was total indoctrination. Im still healing. I learned good values from religion but goong down the mormon rabbit hole and seeing the evils Joseph Smith was responsible for really was a shocker.
Nope, not true one of our greatest beliefs and have scriptures for is searching for oneself, free agency. it's literally one of the things the missionaries told me... Pray about it.
@@mecarlaallen442 I have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it and Heavenly Father has told me it is false. The Book of Mormon tells you that it is false, also. It quotes people word for word that were not even born yet. Rather amazing! Christ took my sins upon himself when he died on the cross. Christ did the one work that was necessary to reconcile us to God. When I repented of my sins and put my faith in what Christ has already done for you, Christ gave me his righteousness, which is the righteousness of God. God now me as perfect. I can walk out of God's court room free!
We had someone bless the sacrament who was wearing jeans and a t-shirt. No one really cared! Also I wear different color button ups all the time and I usually get compliments instead of “Why aren’t you wearing white?!”😂
It was a big deal to one of my Mission Companions; I served in France during the 90s a pastel shirts were common among the members, including Deacons and Bishops. He reported it to the Mission President, who promptly told him it didn't matter. "White shirts are part of our culture, not our religion." he said.
that's funny, hell isn't a swear word in England and American missionaries that come over here... their faces when they first hear members saying “what the hell” at church aha and if you go to northern Ireland or Ireland, they replace the f word for fecking, and members say that at church.
@5:43 you talk about wearing a white shirt and tie to church. You're right that it is not required and it is recommended. However brethren who bless and pass the sacrament should be wearing a white shirt and tie. My YSA branch president told me that the principle of wearing a while shirt comes from following the brethren who lead the church, they always wear a white shirt and so we should too.
@@brettmajeske3525Thanks for your feedback however I do believe that I covered the fact that it's not doctrine by saying that it is not required but recommended. I also stated that brethren who bless and pass the sacrament should wear white, not that they have to.
@@ericheller8284 Sorry, I should have been more clear. My point is while the Brethren often wear white shirts and conservative suits, it is not exclusive. Example: Back in the pre-dawn of history when I attended the MTC we were counseled on the types of suits and ties that would be appropriate once we entered the field. Pastel ties and tans suits were in vouge, and one of the speakers (I've forgotten his name, but I believe he was a seventy) made a comment that we would never see an Apostle of the Lord wearing a pink tie. The very next week, the guest speaker was Elder L. Tom Perry, who was at that Time an Apostle. He came wearing a pink tie and light tan suit. I have also seen Elder Neal A. Maxwell, wear a lime green suit with a pale yellow shirt. The white shirt is pure Utah culture. It has no doctrinal significance. The Church's policy has always been to encourage best dress, however that is interpreted in a specific culture. It has never said the entire world needs to dress like they live in the Wallsache mountains. I freely were black, blue, and grey shirts along with my grey or black suits.
@@ericheller8284 No problem. I have a nephew who choose a double breasted canary yellow suit when he turned twelve. My sister was buying the suit in honor of him now being able to pass the sacrament. It was a nice clean outfit, completely different from the browns, blues, and greys of all of the our Deacons. He often wore a bowtie (it back in the Matt Smith era). Traditions are not inherently bad things, but it important to understand the difference between Doctrine, Policy, and Tradition. Especially when blind adherence to Tradition leads one to ignore the far more important Doctrines of Salvation and Exaltation. Paul counsels us not to become a stumbling block of those of lesser faith.
"Joins us or you'll go to hell. That's not at all what we teach..." around 5:20. Perhaps not what is taught today by the one and only true church, but it's pretty much what early mormon preachers including Rigdon who was baptized and taught by Oliver in 1831 taught. A newspaper of the time recorded "Rigdon, with about twenty of his flock, were dipped immediately. They then proclaimed that there had been no religion in the world for 1500 years, --that no one had been authorized to preach and for that period, --that Joe Smith had now received a commission from God for that purpose, and that all such as did not submit to his authority would speedily be destroyed. The world (except the New Jerusalem) would come to an end in two or three years. The state of New York would (probably) be sunk"
@@brettmajeske3525 And equally many reasons not to trust Oliver and Joseph. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from studying their early prophecies and actions are that they deliberately deceived their followers on a range of topics including the seer stone, translation process, and authority claims (i.e. the priesthood restoration which was inserted late into the historical record).
@@scottvance74 Well, I would object to it being the only logical conclusion, although I do concede it isn't entirely unreasonable. A lot depends on how one determines witness credibility, not just Oliver and Joseph, but others surrounding them. I think rational cases can be made for both sides. Personally Rigdon fails (for me) many more credibility requirements than either Joseph or Oliver combined.
That moment you realize dismissing "not being a cult" wasnt quite as well placed as you thought, and the bearded guy doesnt approve of you making a point of thinking for yourself and going on a mission being "optional" #bleedingcognitivedissonance ... sorry guys but so glad to be away from this... you help me feel so much better about my decision! Good luck.. wow.
At 16:14. You are expected to have lots of kids. True LDS have to have 6 kids. That is the rule for true mormon status. LOL. In reality, it is up to the couple to decide how many to have given health, time, age , finances and other factors.
When i went to my first sacrament meeting I wore a green button up shirt with blue jeans a cowboy boots,I stood out like a sore thumb but everyone I talked to was very nice just wear what you feel comfortable in
Yeah when I was investigating in the church I showed up in Jeans and shirt. They made me feel so welcome I just kept going and going until I asked if I could meet with the missionaries. Ha ha
I'm a member and have been my whole life but one morning I had work to take care of and didn't think I'd make it to church so didn't get dressed in my Sunday best and went to take care of my work but when I was mostly finished and only had one more errand to deal with Ifelt strongly that I should at least make it to sacrament meeting so I did even while wearing a hoodie and leggings and sure I felt a bit weird but no one made a big deal or bothered me about it and I'm just grateful I got to be there that Sunday.
I’ve been doing a lot of research & studying on my own learning about the LDS faith & this channel has helped a lot. I haven’t met with missionaries yet but I’m thinking about it, this is one of the best videos from the channel though! Justin & David are definitely my 2 favorites 💪
I’ve showed up to church multiple times without white shirt and tie. I’ve had scrubs, pollo-like shirts, other types of button-ups, and I think a t-shirt once... I usually forgot I was dressed different.
But was it a Mormon church? Most churches are super chill with what you wear - just nothing rude and no shorts usually.
When I was a kid (80's) our bishop occasionally wore yellow or pink shirts, and one of the counselors had a full sleeve tatoos from his time as a marine.
I literally wear normal clothes to church every Sunday and everyone is actually very accepting
I'm not LDS and have no interest in joining but I'm very interested in this channel. This is informative but fun. I like studying religious stuff.
This not the best place to get information
Is Scarlett you pretty kitty in your id thing?
Welcome. May God bless you.
As a very religious person, I find it confusing that people prioritize ease over truth. I totally understand "I don't believe X religion is true," but I don't think it's very mature to not follow a religion merely because it's challenging.
About tattoos, have you guys heard of Al Carraway? She has tattoos and is an LDS convert.
About the tattoos and amputees, someone fell for that joke, I'm sure of it hahahahaha
Finally, this video was so funny. I love you guys' sense of humor!
They used Al Carraway in this video.
They interviewed Caraway🧡💛❤💜💙💚
Tattoos are really bad for your liver, the microscopic bits of metal are constantly trying to be excreted through you're liver and makes rips in it!
This is an awesome episode!
One thing about white shirts: The only statement is that youth are encouraged according to the handbook to wear a white shirt while administering the sacrament to prepare for the temple (and their mission...?), but even in that case you're not allowed to not stop them from having another shirt color nor telling them not to wear it since, at the end of the day, your salvation is not depended on a shirt color
What is your salvation dependent on then, on Gods gospel? In
1 Corinthians 15:1=4, OR something ELSE like enduring to the end and being fully Repentent, By your works of the LAW OF MOSAS Or is it by faith like Abraham? HE believed God and it was counted To him for RIGHTEOUSNESS he was made WRIGHT with God because he believed had faith,, Abraham was befor the LAW he lived befor MOSAS, Salvation was never by The LAW it was always by FAITH ......
@@pauldunn7000 Mormons believe that Jesus alone saves us or “by grace alone”. It is our works however that ultimately decide where we end up (celestial, terrestrial, telestial). Most Christian’s don’t realize that they don’t believe in grace because they say you have to have faith to be saved which faith in and of itself is a work, it’s hard to have faith if your not actively pursuing God. But great comment though👍
@@ashtonrollins5416 It is Jesus, the father and the holy spirit that will decide where you Go, and YOUR works have nothing to do with it.
As if men could decide for God by anything they do, we are nothing but filthy sinners before the holy righteous God.
Try as you might and you and me will be filthy sinners. I'm not that bad because of the things works I do, is the soul killing lies of satan.
Do you think God hasn't used satans evil people as well as his own people for His own works to bring about His own
EXPRESSED Will ?
God will get his way in all things past , present, and future, God wins and he gives you free will to do what's in you to do even if it takes your soul to hell, that you don't believe of God, one of satans greatest lies, there no hell. I can only pray for you, do all you can do, God can use you too.
@@pauldunn7000 “doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?… Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone… Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?… Ye see then how that BY WORKS a man is justified, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY.”
James 2 apparently does not exist to you. I’m not gonna preach to you about how your going to hell and that I’m right and your wrong. Quite frankly because it is not that simple. Furthermore I am assuming you are a follower of the Lutheran faith I.e. most Christian denominations, because you are a firm believer in faith alone. Are you aware that more than 75 books have been taken out of the holy Bible during Martin Luther’s time and deemed “not canon” or in other words they didn’t fit to his beliefs. In fact he almost took out the gospel of James altogether as I just quoted because it in fact disproves this notion of “faith alone”. Martin Luther molded the Bible to fit his and your beliefs rather than fit his beliefs to the Bible. So yes I will “try as I might” because that is what is expected of us. And of course I understand I am a sinner, a daily sinner. I am addicted to sin and I deserve to burn in hell. But gods grace has saved us all and it’s up to our works, as preached by the apostle James, where we will ultimately be judged in accordance to God. I appreciate your prayers as well, God knows I could use them.
@@ashtonrollins5416
First, Faith is a gift from God, in the midst of evidence all around us.
How ever james
chapter 2. is showing the people of God with true faith, how to know if those that come have a true faith that saves or a false PROPHESION of faith that canot save.
So how do we know, if they have true faith or false faith BY WHAT THEY SAY AND DO , there works , the gift of faith from God works in what they say and do , so , a PROPHESION of faith without the WORKS of God in what they 《 SAY》about God and faith is how one knows the diference
Because faith without works is dead faith that canot save to the utmost, it's just a false PROPHESION of faith A LIE if you will . Fake it till you make it , or not.
This is what jesus's half brother is saying here, read James chapter 2 again and stop putting outside meaning into the text corrupting the word of God.
I'm getting on my knees to pray for you to see Ashton right now.
You guys should go over all of the weird and random questions that people that are not parts of the church ask.
Start Lucifer is God Lds Temple?
Aloha- we have men wearing lots of different shirts to church both non members and members. We are always happy to have visitors to the island attend. Being there is more important than dress code. If I recall correctly President Hinckley made a recommendation not a commandment of white shirts for men and no facial hair. Prophetic preference not a commandment.
The answers about rules seem to boil down to: do what you want but there will be consequences. Which basically is saying in an obtuse way, that you have to do them. Getting a temple recommend is theologically essential for complete salvation. Yes you’re saved by faith but you only get into the crappy heaven where Hitler will end up “Telestial Kingdom.” I thought God loves all his children equally and that we are all equal before God. Which begs the question, why would God divide us in eternity? Three tiers of Heaven, and then sub tiers within each. That sounds a lot like a caste system of the dead, reminiscent of Vedic beliefs about reincarnation and getting placed in an appropriate amount of happiness relative to your past faithfulness to the law.
Can you elaborate on the kinds of heavens the lds church believe to? So interesting and partly bizarre
The first question on screen say "can drink"
James Hook ha! Got em!
Yep, a little typo there
Freudian slip
Well, that’s the thing, we *can* drink, but we shouldn’t. The typo there, was put there on purpose, as they go on to joke about how it’s not possible for you *not* to be able to drink. They are trying to get at that you *can* do anything, but the thing is, you *shouldn’t*.
@@thomasallen83 why you shouldn't drink? Because it's not written in the Bible 1 time GOD said that we shouldn't , Jesus turned water to wine. Abraham drank wine and in Deuteronomy 14:25-26 GOD said it's ok to drink alcohol
Personally I believe free agency is not activated until u hear about 1. God 2. Jesus 3. The restoration. People will do what they want but when u know right from wrong, that’s when you’re accountable for your actions.
Shiloh Boca and of course that's why all who are born on this earth are given the 'light of Christ." To know good from evil.
In regards to question 2
"It is wrong to crictize the leaders of the church even if that crictism is True" President Dallin H. Oaks
@@coffeedrinkingisnotasin6049 im going give the two here the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't lying about Oaks quote.. But just misconstrued it. He didn't say anyone it said the leaders of the church and he said even if the crictism is True it's still wrong to do so.
@@coffeedrinkingisnotasin6049 yes I'm just trying to give these two men Charity.. But Oaks was clear do not question the leaders....
When did he say it? What talk was it from? Was it in Conference? Please share where you got this information. I'd like to varify it and I'd like to hear in which context it was spoken.
@@moxeyjc he said in on the PBS documentary... Also in a Ensign article I beileve
@@coalhouse1981 That quote (said over 30 years ago) is taken out of context, and Oaks even clarifies it in the PBS documentary. He says:
"I also said something else that has excited people: that it’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true, because it diminishes their effectiveness as a servant of the Lord. One can work to correct them by some other means, but don’t go about saying that they misbehaved when they were a youngster or whatever. Well, of course, that sounds like religious censorship also.
But not everything that’s true is useful. I am a lawyer, and I hear something from a client. It’s true, but I’ll be disciplined professionally if I share it because it’s part of the attorney-client privilege. There’s a husband-wife privilege, there’s a priest-penitent privilege, and so on. That’s an illustration of the fact that not everything that’s true is useful to be shared.
In relation to history, I was speaking in that talk for the benefit of those that write history. In the course of writing history, I said that people ought to be careful in what they publish because not everything that’s true is useful. See a person in context; don’t depreciate their effectiveness in one area because they have some misbehavior in another area - especially from their youth. I think that’s the spirit of that. I think I’m not talking necessarily just about writing Mormon history; I’m talking about George Washington or any other case. If he had an affair with a girl when he was a teenager, I don’t need to read that when I’m trying to read a biography of the Founding Father of our nation."
Pretty much the only rules that will effect someone are no alcohol or coffee, paying tithing , and generally not dressing as though you're trying to turn someone on. well, and no premarital sex. But that's a Christian (even just overall religious) thing in general, though most Christians ignore it because it's inconvenient to modern culture.
But worst case scenario if you aren't antagonistic towards the church, you're fine as you are, you just wont be temple worthy if you're living a worldly life without cutting those things out of your day.
I didn't serve a mission because I wasn't willing to get myself worthy to serve. Now that I've turn my life back to Chrust and found solid ground, I do have a lot of guilt for not getting myself right. Maybe I'll have an opportunity in the future, but being married with kids makes things harder. I pray I'll have an opportunity to serve God and spread His word. I just need to keep myself close to the spirit.
Maybe you should look into doing a service mission with your wife. My neighbors did one where once a week they helped at the MTC so maybe there's something similar you could do even with everything you have going on.
@midnightrose1797 I dream of such an opportunity. Unfortunately my wife has closed herself off to the church. At the time all I can do is provide an example for her and to pray for her heart to soften.
@54cutler I see. Well I hope the future has many blessings and changes instore for you both. For now maybe your mission is to love and be an example of the love Christ has for you and all those around you.
@54cutler I had this thought and knew I needed to share it with you. There is a podcast you can watch on UA-cam called the Come Back podcast where members who left the church tell their stories of coming back to the church along with their struggles. Hopefully this helps you have faith that yes your wife will come back one day and who knows maybe if you show her some of those stories she'll come back even sooner then you thought possible. Also a really good book that helped me recently is called Believing Christ: a parable of a bicycle and other good news. It helped me understand the Atonement in ways I never thought could work in my life. I hope these help but if not keep holding on to your faith in Christ and He will continue to provide miracles and blessings.
I'm an ex-Mormon and at my use to be Church of Latter-day Saints (meaning I don't go there anymore) I was criticized for not wearing a dress. And then I confronted about my femininity even though I just don't like them but I will still dress feminine
Surprised they did that
I’m so sorry that happened to you.
If we are really being honest about the flawed culture, this cannot be surprising at all. Is it wrong for that to happen, definitely. Is it doctrinal? No. And I too am very sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, the “group think” conformity can be very much alive, when it shouldn’t be. Sadly, it often is prevalent in many groups, not only in churches. Conform or be cast-out. Fortunately, not everyone follows that.
Justin and David are a hoot on this channel. They are a big reason why I watch this show, being either the old 3 Mormons or the new Saints Unscripted. Keep up the great work!
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"You can ask questions unless your intent..."
Who are you to eminintly judge the intent and will of others?
Only the God-Head has that power.
It's interesting, because Jesus actually did use profanity when he called the pharisees things like "brood of vipers" which in their culture was one of the worst things you could call someone. Also I'm guessing the "don't drink flamable things" was a joke? Or are you not allowed to use stuff like oil in cooking?
We can, in fact, cook with oil
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THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS IN AWHILE!!! I can't stop laughing and relating so hard!X) I wanna make a billion comments, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who compared church to a book clubxD I'm just gunna say, all you guys are awesome and have helped immensely in my spiritual growth and journey back to the fold. Love you guys
The silence after the question - Can you question Church leaders?- was palpable.
Ikr smh. I see that as being a cultural rule. If they're leaders publicly stated you members couldn't question him then the world would instantly realize the church is a cult. Instead, you learn it from the people around you. How do they speak about the leaders? What happens when someone says something against the leader? Etc. Unfortunately it's a common religious practice.
@@mikhite5711 aye your acting as everybody follows those rules like they said they’re more of guidelines to us members. I question my bishops ways more then plenty does that make me a bad “member” no. You can question the leaders words as much as you desire it’s guidelines, we just pray with faith that the leaders words & teachings by the power of the Holy Ghost is true & righteous in the eyes of our lord Jesus Christ . We are not a cult I promise with every part of me! You got to be open minded and find out by yourself :)
Whenever the gospel is condensed into a list of rules, you have competition within the congregation and either you have people lying in order to not get marked as a sinner and so sinning by lying or you have a bunch of people thinking they’re righteous because they’re better at keeping the rules.
I’ll say 99% of the sins are secret and between the Lord and the believer.
Paul said that the Law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.
Talking about how easy it is for people to leave if they want is just being dishonest, most Mormon is they leave they
Lose their family and entire social construct. They are pretty much stuck?
And then if you’re banned from sacrament ? Everyone will notice will they not?
Publicly shame someone? Where is that healthy or fair ?
Scott Weinmann nope. Why take time to explain. Just nope. This video explains it
My family left me over this stuff. For many, you break the rules, you loose everything.
I'm all too familiar with this. If you're church is my way or the highway it's a cult. It's all about control.
10:25 "but what if your personal revelation goes against what the prophet has counselled you"
Early on in the video you state that everyone is allowed to "question", yet your statement at 10:25 contradicts that sentiment. Your mindset seems to be that the prophet receives revelation for the body of the church, correct? Any time you set a leader up as receiving council for the remainder of the members you have a dynamic that discourages questioning at the very least. Just because there isn't a rule that specifically states "thou shalt not question" doesn't mean the culture isn't there. This is how the BITE model works. It's not about rules enforced by force, it's about the power-dynamic that exists due to deemed authority among the members. When people say "you are not allowed to question", they aren't trying to say you will be put to death or kicked out for questioning, they are referring to the power/authority dynamic that exists. Google and read about the BITE model.
I understand your thought process, but then again there are numerous talks, from said leading authority, about having doubts, asking in faith, studying to find answers, and receiving personal revelation. At the end of the day, everything you do is between you and God. Everyone can receive personal revelation, but only the prophet and authorities can receive revelation for members and the church.
Think of it like this, if God needs 90% of his members to go on missions, he will instruct the prophet to instruct the people. He will handle the other 10% through personal revelation.
I hope this makes sense!
I hope this makes sense to ypu that if the prophet really got personal revelation from god then god had to have changed his mind on black people.
If the revelation to both the Prophet and to you is truely from God, then it will not conflict. If it does, then maybe consider the source of one of them to be questionable.
@@markelcreek56 the only reason the church changed the stance on black people is the United States government forced them to revoke that rule.
@@iowaguy6470 jesus was a brown person and his word teaches to love everyone. So it was originally anti racist.
You are allowed to question, but don't be so skeptical that you don't accept anything that comes your way. Asking questions is a huge way to build a testimony. "Doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith," but "If any of ye lack wisdom, let him ask of God," You know?
Have you listened to or read Elder Holland"s talk from Oct 1995? This Do In Remembrance If Me. He kinda answers why white shirts are worn - but it's not a "uniform". Realize this Gen Conf talk was given maybe before you were born - or at least when you were too young to remember.
You can learn much about whether or not the church is more likely a cult by googling the "BITE" model. You will learn much of what the world outside of the cult thinks about cults. Would be pretty hard to do the wierd air quotes or drop in pictures when discussing the fit of things post knowing what the BITE model is.
Thank you! I was searching the comments to see if someone said this! This religion is a cult. Many Christian denominations are cults. When people hear "cult" they think of sacrificing babies and drinking blood. So obviously they then say "I'm not in a cult." Cults aren't about weird or gross things it's about CONTROL and this church is controlling as hell!
@@mikhite5711 Amen brother.. saying cult to a mormon is worse than just randomly saying the F word.. but... this is by design so people won't actually think about how perchance a cult might maintain possession of minds and lives to an astoundingly powerful degree (to the tune of 100+ billion dollars of granny and grampy and scared following kid money for life.. it does matter that the means are beyond evidentiary to have been calculated (google B.H. Roberts and Joseph Fielding Smith), intentional, and amassed their quickly invested millions to grow to billions now off of men and women who grew up in the ages when you did such things as stood at attention with crisp uniform for a physician (as a nurse under his direction) or did the divers things you see in 1950s and 1960s era commercials (housewives and working men duties).. a cult is exactly what you made likewise notice of, and that is the methods of control and manipulation to exploit people.. which the LDS church absolutely is beyond Muhammed Ali level status at doing. Another interesting search for any who might find a small deficit in fully acknowledging that might google "lds church heart-sell" or something like that. The church's marketing money making branch coined the term to use mormon control tactics to generally appeal to entrepreneurs and businesses in "making the customer feel emotions to buy your product". Glad I and my children are free of this corruption of the philosophies of men mingled with scripture and mind control.
@@mikhite5711 by that definition the federal government is a cult
Many around the world don’t know about the restoration of the church so missionaries are needed to speak to people about it. If u grew up in the church and you’re blessed for it, why would u not want more people to know about it. Why would u keep that to yourself? Serving a mission is a no brainer.
Shiloh Boca I am a convert and i do Not like to go on a mission because I think it’s Not the Right way for me to do. I do not think it is a no brainer.
@@timneji u said it. You're a convert and I'm sure there's more to learn before u feel ready to teach.
i don't know if it's a no brainer, even for people born into the church. going on a mission is something god calls you to do, some people just aren't meant to do it. if it's a part of God's plan for you, then it will nost likely happen, but some people aren't meant to go on missions.
Honest question: Where does the idea that members of the church have horns come from?
In the late 1800's rumors circulated that blood oaths and devil worshiping were taking place in the Salt Lake temple in an attempt to paint the Mormons as evil cult, especially in the east. So when people we traveling through Utah would believe we were Devils and must have horns. This is my understanding of where it started.
@@dirtbikeutah9615 but blood oaths were happening...
@@mikhite5711 Yes they were, and later post Manifesto Polygamy. Oaths in the temple to avenge the blood of Joseph and Hyrum.
I am Mormon and have a priesthood and believe that Paul covers marriage in Corinthians in saying that spouses don't even have to be believers but if pleased to dwell with them it is fine.
There is a big distinction between cultural expectations and doctrinal expectations
At 3:17. Elder Wirthlin said Mormons are not to questions leaders of the church. That was from his interview in that PBS doc on the mormons.
i believe he did, but the thing about prophets and apostles and everyone in and out of the church is that we’re all human and we have opinions and make mistakes. his statement about not questioning leaders could’ve totally just been a think he believed but it’s not how we operate in the church
As a convert, I find that I might have more questions from curiosity’s sake than from anything else. I have learned much from my observations than any other form of inquiry. As an example, when I joined, I was told to wear what I considered my best. That has turned out to be a suit/tuxedo and is what I have continued to wear for church. Nobody has said anything derogatory despite it being slightly more dressy than other forms of dress that I see. If anything, I am told that I look sharp, that I look nice etc. Whether one of our young men passing sacrament saw me or not, he has worn a black suit with a bow tie (I can’t detect a stripe on the pants to determine if it is a tuxedo). Another young man does wear a tux only with a long tie, so overall our ward has a number of people who dress to their own liking and all of it is modest. I’m probably going to shock some when I wear a print shirt with my grey suit, but we’ll see when it happens. Overall the point I am driving at is that all of us might dress up, but we still do so with modesty I mind. I might be a bit over the top in my dressing, but it is my best and that’s what is important overall. After all church is not a circus atmosphere but a place to contemplate life and seek out a spiritual connection for questions unknown and known to help people become more complete as we’re supposed to. All rules and commandments are in place to help us along the path to enlightenment and completion.
Absolutely! It's great to hear that you've found a comfortable and stylish way to express yourself at church. It's also wonderful that your ward appreciates your effort and style. Modesty and respect are key, and it's awesome to see everyone embracing their own unique preferences while maintaining a reverent atmosphere. Keep being true to yourself and seeking that spiritual connection; you're on the right path for continued enlightenment and growth!
My past institute teacher used to talk about Porter Rockwell's cursing at the 12.
J. Golden Kimball used to be known as the swearing Prophet. He wasn't a prophet, but that was his nickname. He was a general authority around the turn of the century. (1900's) He was a cowboy, and he grew up using swear words and had a hard time trying to not use them.
Well in the early days of the church, are members once belonged to other church's that smoke and drank, and they may have swore back then as well! So over time once, we had the word of was introduced by the prophet and the members gave things up, to obey the word of wisdom!
@@stardustgirl2904 well the interpretation of the Word of Wisdom changed over time. It wasn't until Heber J Grant it was a temple marraige
Oh my gosh flippity darn dangit! What a brave institute teacher! What a gall-Dern J Kimball and Porter making the sheltered youngins reared ever so nigh of today still quiver and sheepishly smile behind a covering hand over saying damn or hell! Wow! What awful things to say and how they could even sleep at night or even have "the priesthood" is beyond me!! Galldern flippety darn dangit and snap! Flippety flip snap!!
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J Golden Kimball wasn't an apostle. He was a member of the 70. Small fact. Not very important, but I like accuracy.
I am just watching this. The white shirt and tie thing is mentioned in the general handbook in the priesthood section. It states if you can afford them and they are available they are strongly encouraged to be worn. Not a full blown rule, but it is a respect thing.
I have some questions would I be able to email someone for some more answers?
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@@SaintsUnscripted I did just waiting on a reply 😁
Avatar!? WAIT! YOU'RE ALLOWED TO WATCH CARTOONS!?
NO JOKE, I SAW A UA-cam VIDEO THAT SAID KIDS COULDN'T EVEN HAVE ACTION FIGURES OF WHOLESOME CHARACTERS LIKE CAPTAIN AMERICA!!
Someone lied to you. Nerd culture was big in the LDS Church before it was popular. BYU was one of the first universities with official Quidditch matches. Back in the 80's there was a General Conference that quoted Yoda.
I’m a convert. I testify that LDS church has the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
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@@SaintsUnscripted How can it be done?
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The Gospel of Christ found complete in the Bible, never needed restoration, and Mormon theology has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Christ!!!!!
The Gospel of Christ found complete in the Bible, never needed restoration, and Mormon theology has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Christ!!!!! Would welcome the opportunity to respectfully refute you're testimony and conversion from a purely biblical standpoint
This video actually is more honest if you realize when they say "advised" it means it's a rule. They seem to think a rule of the Church is only such if the church will physically take away your recommend if you do it (or don't). However, in the Mormon church, council and advice ARE rules because punishments and rewards are assigned to them. Their perspective is like me saying "my daughter doesn't have to take the garbage out...I won't kick her out of my house if she doesn't..it's just advised so that she doesn't get grounded this weekend." In their Mormon view, taking the garbage out wouldn't be a rule...just advised. She's deciding to accept the consequences that follow her decision...to follow my advice or not...not me forcing her to take out the garbage. This is Mormon Think.
Hi I already have a mission call and I need to know the truth behind why the Views of the Hebrew and Te Book of Mormon have similar patterns? Like the Urimm and thumim the Golden Plates, while in the Views of the Heb were Golden leaves and both can be found on a hill and the Distraction of Jerusalem and etc. I don't doubt these things because I really have a testimony of the Book of Mormon, I just really need to clarify about these things☺️ Thank you so much, I hope I can be clarify about that different books but have similarities inside. Also I learned that Oliver Cowdery was in the organization of the author of The Views of the Hebrews which were published on 1823, before he transfered to a place where Joseph was and then helps Joseph Smith to translate the Book of Mormon which were publish on 1830, is it possible that Oliver Cowdery plagiarized some of the content in the View of the Hebrew? Please help me hehe ☺️
Tattoos and piercings are condemned in The Bible. It's not just what our leaders have said.
11:20 I went to Tennessee for my proselyting mission. I came home 3 weeks to the day after arriving, due to some unforseen circumstances. I have been since reassigned to a service mission, and both have been the most important parts of my life. The more interesting part? I chose to come home.
My answer from LDS when you ask, "Why are you not allowed to do X?" "Because X can be addictive". Fear of the unknown, while most of the population isn't addicted to X
This video makes me think of my grandpa, but i don't know why. To help myself cope with his death and to help the agorithm, I'm going to write a little bit about him. He was a convert to the church in his early 20's, sealed in the temple to my biological grandmother and they had several kids (the last of whom was my mom). Eventually he and my grandmother were divorced, I don't know all the details on why, something I do know is that woman had an diagnosed bipolar disorder and she was abusive in many ways to her children. Through the course of the divorce process, he was given full custody of all the children under the law, but in the church he was excomunicated. Local church leaders trusted her word about how my papa was the evil one in the relationship.
Well, several years later he remarried to the grandmother I know, and many years after that he was rebaptized and my grandmother was also baptized into the LSD church. Until his death, he was one of the most spiritually influencial people in my life.
After he died, I was given access to read his patriarical blessing and in it I was astounded. This was given to him after his first marriage but before everything else happened. Part of his blessing tells him that he will see the corruption inside the Lords church and that many of satans agents will attempt to stop his worthiness.
12:30, i'm a woman and i'm about to prepare for a mission kinda out of guilt. I never wanted to go on one, i never really gave it much thought. But at the point i'm currently at, if I will regret it for the rest of my life if I don't go-- I will regret it until I'm able to repent, but idk when/how that would be so I think i should just go now and not make the mistake of missing my oprotunity.
Members always make up their own rules that are not true and are just oppressing. For example I have heard: you have to have a white shirt, you need to pass the sacrement with the right hand, you can't seat there because it's for the angles (for real, that's what they used to say when you went to the swiss Temple)...ect . I'm so glad things are changing and the false rules are being pointed out and done away.
Hope you laugh at this joke...... Have you heard about the movie, Constipation? Hasn't come out yet. But I hear the reviews are really crappy!!
Funny story: my best friend gave a talk in sacrament when we were deacons, and he swore in his talk. Most awkward moment in the history of that building😂
Funny story. A swear in a talk.
Same thing here. Mormons are funny. My mormon family when I was little was playing categories game. We were listing drinks, beverages. It got to me, we were running low, I said vodka. It was awkward. Like the spirit got the hell out of the room immediately. Haha, bloody mormons. Just the word?
What was the swear word he said?
When considering these question, it's useful to identify several things. Learn to identify Doctrine, Policy, Culture, and Tradition. These all play a role in any church organization. Confusion often arise from misidentifying the differences between these four concepts. Policy sometimes looks like Doctrine. Tradition sometimes looks like Policy. The truth is, there are many things within our LDS church that are misunderstood because of a failure to recognize what a practice is. As a practice, try to identify at least one aspect of the church that fits into each of these four categories.
3:40 - "It’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks. You knew someone was gonna post it so, there ya go : ) Fair Mormon claims it is taken out of context, but I think you just showed he meant what he said, but gave him the benefit of adding - or anyone else, and the caveat of being constructive criticism. Plenty of church leaders (LDS and otherwise) have deserved criticism over the years, and if so they should receive it.
The Fundamentals Podcast, the Biblical name “Satan” is most often translated from the Greek “Slanderer” or the Hebrew “adversary.” Both words refer to someone who attacks another verbally or through gossip/media. The spirit of God, however, teaches people not to criticize for the sake of attacking people, and Jesus makes it clear that when you judge you should make sure that your judgement is just/righteous. You shouldn’t judge by appearance, but by truth. There are several examples in the scriptures were people with the spirit of the devil made crimes appear against righteous people using partial truths, when the core of what they were saying was a lie. The most notable was what they said about the savior himself. He was condemned after being accused of conspiracy against the government and tax evasion. All of which the lawyers (liers) found evidence to support, but in the end it was still a lie.
@@devonblake731 Thanks for your response. Criticism and condemnation are not quite the same, and criticism can be presented without condemnation, in hopes of positive change. And if the criticism is indeed TRUE, then it is not on the whole a worthwhile effort to not criticize at all, no matter how high in stature the subjects of the criticism. If there was no criticism of polygamy, racism, exclusion, sexism, blood atonement, etc in the LDS church in particular, we may very well still have those things. But, because the criticism was worthwhile, change has been made many times. There's no need to bring the devil and the savior into the argument, as we are talking about men. We have no perfect system, but there are no perfect men, even those in charge who admonish criticism. Cheers.
Am I wrong in assuming Dallin failed to add such reasonable caveats?
@@devonblake731 If you're serious, I would advise looking that up. Brigham Young was a fan, and said some things very much worthy of criticism concerning it. One of the many reasons the church no longer publishes the Journal of Discourses.
@@devonblake731 He was the prophet of the church, who claimed that what he said was as good as scripture, which is why Journal of Discourses was collected and published. It is not a 'belief' of mine that blood atonement taught.
" ... There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it.” - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 108-109 (Correction - Vol.3 p. 247).
Please feel free to answer your questions with your own sincere inquiry. It has never been more possible to do, and it is your freedom to do so.
"You're going to heaven too..."? (abt 5:18) So, one can enjoy ALL the blessings of God without being baptized by the proper authority (only held by the LDS church) and without having LDS temple endowments? How novel an idea! Did the church not teach that the reference to gnashing of teeth, etc.. was the eternal torment of knowing that one could have enjoyed all the blessings but now can't (for all eternity) because they didn't accept the teachings/authority of the church?
We believe there’s no such thoughts in heaven no matter where you end up. Just happiness, this isn’t doctrine but I believe we’ll feel content in our judgement.
@@ashtonrollins5416 Who is included in "we"? Yourself, your group or the church?. If the church, care to cite a scripture or prophet on that? What then of the description of condemnation given in scriptures? Do they refer only to those who are cast into outer darkness? Curious, I could be wrong.
@@rickskeptical having no sadness is a pretty general belief when referencing heaven. I would say most Christian denominations believe that.
For example I believe cursing is a sin but I don’t know if a general authority has talked about it or not. It’s just a general belief.
@@ashtonrollins5416 Statement on heaven may be true as a general christian belief. What is being discussed here is LDS theology.
Cursing has been covered by prophets. I don't really care what the other general authorities may say since it can always be dismissed as their opinion. I would suggest a deep study into LDS theology past and present.
The question still remains, what do the scriptures refer to when citing the pain and anguish one may feel after judgement (in LDS theology)?
@@rickskeptical Mormons by definition are Christians. A belief in Jesus Christ and his teachings I would say classifys a Christian. A simple google search here , “Mormons regard Jesus Christ as the central figure of their faith”.
Anyways here is a verse from one of our sacred Mormon books called the Holy Bible, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” -Revelation 21:4
There’s also plenty versus in the Bible that suggest there will be emotions in heaven so again this is all up to interpretation. And again to my first comment I clearly stated this is not doctrine just what I would say most Mormons believe from I have heard anyways. Great questions tho keep it up 👍
Sometimes I wear a black shirt to church with a black tie. Lol
Same I've also been to church with a sleeveless shirt and jeans no one cares honestly lol
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How come we are refering to ourselves as mormons again? can someone tell me.
John Kaihau because the common folk still can’t get it through their thick skulls
The church issued a new statement saying it is acceptable again. No joke.
There is even written that in Christ times his followers were called saints.
J.P.-really? I did not know that. Was it recent??
@@bossey22 The May 2019 Handbook 2 instructs,
"When referring to Church members, it is preferable to use the phrase “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” As a shortened reference, “Latter-day Saints” is preferred and “Mormons” is acceptable.
The word Mormon will continue to be used in proper names like the Book of Mormon. It will also continue to be used as an adjective in phrases such as “Mormon pioneers.” In addition, it may be necessary to use the word Mormon to identify the Church as it is commonly known in some countries."
No lie I got baptized in April but my friend wanted to go out drinking for her birthday a few months later. So she wanted me to take a birthday shot with her and I reluctantly said yes. Oh my goodness the WORST stomach ache of my life!!! Prior to baptism tequila was my SHTUFF man. I could handle it, but once I had the spirit that stuff hurt my physically. So yeah that's my testimony on the WoW. 😂😂😂
Hahaha that’s pretty funny! Lol I guess you won’t be taking a second soon lolll
Captain Jack asks if "members still want to be members after reading the CES letter or learning about Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger?"
Know of both. Didn’t hinder my testimony. Only strengthened it.
These guys are kind hearted and sincere. Great job sharing what you believe, but be sure to research the LDS church. In History of the Church V. 6, pages 408-409, Joseph Smith claimed he was better than Jesus in keeping the church together. Just think, is your testimony about Jesus or more about Joseph Smith? Joseph Smith was a false prophet, do not be misled.
This entry in History of the Church is a secondary source at best and a synopsis by Thomas Bullock. As we see throughout the volume the words of the speakers are generalized and put in the first person. Our style of writing history has turned 180 degrees in the past century.
And by “our” I refer to western society as a whole. Most histories from the past are written in modified first person.
@@carterhouston3212 Was Thomas Bullock not a reliable Mormon historian? How about History of the Church volume 4 pp 461 where Joseph Smith says the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible?
Or in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp 345-346 and Journal of Discourses v6 p5 where he says God was not always God, but once was a man who dwelt on earth.
When you are listening to the sermons on Sunday, how often is Jesus preached about? What was the last sermon in your church about?
loved the video! love being a Latter-Day Saint! Just a question, do yall think next time yall can look at the camera and not each other? ahah question of preference, but that's me
I got a question ive been hearing Mormons are allowed to have more than one wife is this True or false
Here is a video from us that explains your question and give you an answer! ua-cam.com/video/eITMOB2pNYI/v-deo.html
We are not 😁
You are thinking of flds
About tattoos... When I was younger, I used to think about some. I wanted to make "Choose The Right" phrase on my finger, near my CTR ring 😆😏 Sounds pretty crazy, but I really liked that idea!
It's sad how many people come up with bizarre conclusions about the church, mostly by hearsay and then think the church is weird, well yeah man if I believed half of whatever anyone told me I wouldn't have paid attention to actual truth.
If you question/doubt too hard, you get excommunicated. :-(
That's not a thing there's more to it to be excommunicated
that's not true... I'm not going to talk about my personal stuff but you dont get excommunicated for questioning “too hard”
At 13:14. People have short term memories. In 1998 President Hinckley said tattoos and body piercings are not allowed. However I have heard little mention of this recently by general authorities. But it is not recommended. Ears are okay for women.
At 17:12. Missionaries swimming. They can't swim while on missions. It is tempting because some mission calls are to very hot climates. This rule was in place by the 1990s, since a number of Elders and Sisters were drowning each year.
I was in the South Pacific in 1974-75 on an LDS mission. We swam all the time! Not against any rules. What the hell are you talking about? Where is that "rule" you speak of?
@@johnlee1352 They banned swimming for all missionaries back in the 90s since some elders drowned while swimming and surfing. Sounds like you had a good mission. Imagine serving today and not being able to swim in that great ocean water.
@@scottbrandon6244 Where can I find 'the rule"?
@@johnlee1352 It's in the current missionary handbook. New Era even did an article back in 1982 with the policy. See Elder Derrick "To Be in Control" (New Era, September 1982). Some missions today have additional rules set by mission presidents. Playing certain sports on p-day is not allowed. Many missionaries also have early curfews depending on the mission. I know one recent RM who told me he had a 6 pm curfew because there was crime and political unrest in that Latin American country.
@@scottbrandon6244 Thanks Scott...Our church administrators continue their leftward drift toward being "in control".... Sad.
I’m curious why Mormons don’t read the New Testament or the Bible in general. Like why?
We do. Why did you think we didn't?
In fact our Sunday School curriculum rotates between the various scriptures. 2019 was focused on the New Testament. 2020 was focused on the Book of Mormon. 2021 will be focused on the D&C and parts of the Pearl of Great Price. 2022 will be the remaining section of the PoGP and the Old Testament. So the New Testament, which about half the size, receives the same amount of time as the Book of Mormon.
A better metaphor to people who join the church and complain is not people joining a book club but not reading the book, it is someone who joins a book club and spends all meeting telling people the clubs choice of book is evil. Or a good metaphor would be someone going to a movie theater and yelling about how bad the movie is in the middle of the movie.
People understand that religion isn’t about personal feelings. It’s either right or it’s wrong, regardless of how many rules it has. You can still BE A MORMON and not follow the rules (I actually know many members like that, and doctrine and covenants SPEAKS on these people, as they will still inherit a kingdom of glory. Those who choose not to follow inherent a terrestrial glory.)
Not sitting in a starbucks line or buying alcohol or smoking when many of the world does is freedom not bongage.
Oooh, well, got as far as the cult bit. I'm sorry, but that is really not a fair portrayal at all. It is very common sentiment that one can ONLY be happy in the church and that to be moral and raise moral children, have true joy, etc., you must be a worthy member. People that leave, can't just leave. They are labeled apostates, they are talked down too or sometimes not talked to anymore at all. There are VERY damaging common practices around this and I really don't feel it is Christ like to try and play it off like a joke or no big deal.
Yeah I agree, I’m I a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I think it’s a huge problem in the church
I actually lived on Guam for 6 years and sunday best for most of the people there was jeans and a Polo shirt, so you can definitely wear whatever, as long as it is the best clothes you own.
I feel sorry for those who can't live their own lives. "You are free to do whatever you want, but if you do it there's spiritual consequences...", that kind of stuff sounds so crazy when you finally get out. Because it means that if you don't behave enough you'll suffer. Anyway, hope you guys get a chance to find things out for yourselves.
This may be the dumbest thing I have read on the Internet.
There are consequences to what you do. How is this crazy?
@@faturechi yes but he's pointing out the contradictions in what the just said
So, I guess we can make up our own legal rules of the road too. I guess it’s possible when you have a mindset to be a god unto yourself. 🙃
9:00 you mention bathroom humor, well here’s something for ya.
It was a blustery day in the hundred acre wood where piglet started to smell something. He turns around only to find it was Pooh
That is funny, I don't care who you are. 😂
Sorry I keep commenting .. But as for the mission thing why it may not be technically required there a huge social stigma on those men who don't.... I know I was there. There were plenty of girls who refused to date me because I wasn't RM....and some of them heard from there young women leaders...
The commandment is to be worthy to serve a mission, many people have medical issues that prevent service.
And that stigma, that cultural rule, is what influences folks to go on missions so they won't be an outcast, a disappointment, unworthy. And that's just messed up to make someone think that all their life.
@@brettmajeske3525 those people?are still outcast ... Take it... I'm going to do a response to this?video there so much wrong
@@coalhouse1981 i doubt that's the only reason lol
what if someone was drowning and they were the only people around who could save them? I feel like there would be some who would see someone drowning and be like, id love to help you but I'm not aloud to swim.
Yeah there is really people with that low of iq. Obviously if your religion has no evidence purely based off faith and has a lot of rules it's just control
@@jasesjandrn9479 there are people with low IQ in any religion or people with no religion. also, how do you even know what religion I follow if any?!
Of course they could and would go into the water to save someone from drowning.
I find it interesting how they went through the question about birth control so quickly. The Mormon church allows birth control??? Where does that line end? The pill? Condoms? Abortion???? What are the boundaries of birth control?
When i looked it up on google it said no to any birth control even condoms so im not sure about that one
So a mission is a priesthood obligation but if you dont serve one it wont affect your salvation.
Technically the obligation is to be sufficiently prepared and worthy to serve a mission. Thomas S Monson the previous Prophet didn't serve one, so not required for Salvation.
My husband works nights so there's been days where he come to church in his work clothes, no-one cares. I care haha but everyone knows he works crazy hours.
At 15:16. Getting married in the temple. Yes if possible. For a number of reasons it may not be possible. The bishop can do the marriage and one year later (UK excepted) you can go to the temple. There are of course situations where one person is LDS, and so temple marriage will not happen.
I grew up mormon and never felt it. I was going through the motions trying to go along and make my family and friends happy from the early beginnings even before i was baptized. I was taught that we were the true gospel and every other religion was wrong but they didn't know it so it wasnt their fault, they just need to be enlightened and learn the true gospel. It was total indoctrination. Im still healing. I learned good values from religion but goong down the mormon rabbit hole and seeing the evils Joseph Smith was responsible for really was a shocker.
I believe that you are supposed to wear a white tie and shirt if you are doing the sacrament, but otherwise you don’t need to.
That is just a culture thing.
7:15 I always wear colored dress shirts lol. They're usually nicer than my white ones plus they match my suits better.
"When the prophet has spoken the thinking has been done."
Nope, not true one of our greatest beliefs and have scriptures for is searching for oneself, free agency. it's literally one of the things the missionaries told me... Pray about it.
@@mecarlaallen442 I have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it and Heavenly Father has told me it is false.
The Book of Mormon tells you that it is false, also. It quotes people word for word that were not even born yet. Rather amazing!
Christ took my sins upon himself when he died on the cross. Christ did the one work that was necessary to reconcile us to God. When I repented of my sins and put my faith in what Christ has already done for you, Christ gave me his righteousness, which is the righteousness of God.
God now me as perfect. I can walk out of God's court room free!
We had someone bless the sacrament who was wearing jeans and a t-shirt. No one really cared! Also I wear different color button ups all the time and I usually get compliments instead of “Why aren’t you wearing white?!”😂
It was a big deal to one of my Mission Companions; I served in France during the 90s a pastel shirts were common among the members, including Deacons and Bishops. He reported it to the Mission President, who promptly told him it didn't matter. "White shirts are part of our culture, not our religion." he said.
At 8:14. Swear words are not allowed. If you swear, stop it. Particularly to the male priesthood holders.
that's funny, hell isn't a swear word in England and American missionaries that come over here... their faces when they first hear members saying “what the hell” at church aha
and if you go to northern Ireland or Ireland, they replace the f word for fecking, and members say that at church.
The coffee and tea thing I was told that “hot drinks aren’t for the belly”, so what about iced coffee and tea?
It’s no caffeine at all. Hot or cold .
@@Raccoon_Chic wrong
@@dougbrown8331 how is that wrong ? Im LDS and we don’t believe in drinking caffeine or alcohol
I dunno. You Can doubt, but you'll get judged to no end. And, and you'll get told to doubt your doubts and not to look up additional sources.
@5:43 you talk about wearing a white shirt and tie to church. You're right that it is not required and it is recommended. However brethren who bless and pass the sacrament should be wearing a white shirt and tie. My YSA branch president told me that the principle of wearing a while shirt comes from following the brethren who lead the church, they always wear a white shirt and so we should too.
Folktale, not doctrine there buddy. I've seen an area authority in a pale blue.
@@brettmajeske3525Thanks for your feedback however I do believe that I covered the fact that it's not doctrine by saying that it is not required but recommended. I also stated that brethren who bless and pass the sacrament should wear white, not that they have to.
@@ericheller8284 Sorry, I should have been more clear. My point is while the Brethren often wear white shirts and conservative suits, it is not exclusive.
Example: Back in the pre-dawn of history when I attended the MTC we were counseled on the types of suits and ties that would be appropriate once we entered the field. Pastel ties and tans suits were in vouge, and one of the speakers (I've forgotten his name, but I believe he was a seventy) made a comment that we would never see an Apostle of the Lord wearing a pink tie. The very next week, the guest speaker was Elder L. Tom Perry, who was at that Time an Apostle. He came wearing a pink tie and light tan suit. I have also seen Elder Neal A. Maxwell, wear a lime green suit with a pale yellow shirt. The white shirt is pure Utah culture. It has no doctrinal significance. The Church's policy has always been to encourage best dress, however that is interpreted in a specific culture. It has never said the entire world needs to dress like they live in the Wallsache mountains. I freely were black, blue, and grey shirts along with my grey or black suits.
@@brettmajeske3525 Thanks for the clarification, it's helpful to understand the principle.
@@ericheller8284 No problem. I have a nephew who choose a double breasted canary yellow suit when he turned twelve. My sister was buying the suit in honor of him now being able to pass the sacrament. It was a nice clean outfit, completely different from the browns, blues, and greys of all of the our Deacons. He often wore a bowtie (it back in the Matt Smith era). Traditions are not inherently bad things, but it important to understand the difference between Doctrine, Policy, and Tradition. Especially when blind adherence to Tradition leads one to ignore the far more important Doctrines of Salvation and Exaltation. Paul counsels us not to become a stumbling block of those of lesser faith.
"Joins us or you'll go to hell. That's not at all what we teach..." around 5:20. Perhaps not what is taught today by the one and only true church, but it's pretty much what early mormon preachers including Rigdon who was baptized and taught by Oliver in 1831 taught. A newspaper of the time recorded "Rigdon, with about twenty of his flock, were dipped immediately. They then proclaimed that there had been no religion in the world for 1500 years, --that no one had been authorized to preach and for that period, --that Joe Smith had now received a commission from God for that purpose, and that all such as did not submit to his authority would speedily be destroyed. The world (except the New Jerusalem) would come to an end in two or three years. The state of New York would (probably) be sunk"
Oh there are lots of reasons not to trust Rigdon;s opinion on lots of matters.
@@brettmajeske3525 And equally many reasons not to trust Oliver and Joseph. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from studying their early prophecies and actions are that they deliberately deceived their followers on a range of topics including the seer stone, translation process, and authority claims (i.e. the priesthood restoration which was inserted late into the historical record).
@@scottvance74 Well, I would object to it being the only logical conclusion, although I do concede it isn't entirely unreasonable. A lot depends on how one determines witness credibility, not just Oliver and Joseph, but others surrounding them. I think rational cases can be made for both sides. Personally Rigdon fails (for me) many more credibility requirements than either Joseph or Oliver combined.
I have two sets of piercing and I have been fine :)
*gasp*
I think this leadership routltee mostly
At 16:28. Yes, LDS can use birth control. If they didn't all couples would have 10 children.
That moment you realize dismissing "not being a cult" wasnt quite as well placed as you thought, and the bearded guy doesnt approve of you making a point of thinking for yourself and going on a mission being "optional" #bleedingcognitivedissonance ... sorry guys but so glad to be away from this... you help me feel so much better about my decision! Good luck.. wow.
Does having a tattoo ban me from the church?
No it dosent ban you from church theres a lot of converts to the church who have gotten tattoos before. They found the church.
@@rosejladybugvideos cool, thank you, are you a LDS member?
@@VictorNobrega1986 I’m a proud LDS member and I have a full sleeve on my left arm, you are fine my brother 👍🏼😊
I'm currently preparing for our next sacrament and the questions about modesty helped me a lot dude hahahaha
At 16:14. You are expected to have lots of kids. True LDS have to have 6 kids. That is the rule for true mormon status. LOL. In reality, it is up to the couple to decide how many to have given health, time, age , finances and other factors.
If you are in Israel, you will keep the Sabbath on Saturday. If you are in an Arab country, you will keep the Sabbath on Friday.
At 12:48. Required to marry and RM? NO, but it seems like that. The girl will want an RM. Here family will definitely ask why no mission was served.
My brother wears a blue shirt with a red tie to church just to make a statement that it is not a rule.
A guy in my ward got baptized last week who had F You tattooed across his knuckles
I love Jesus Crist, LDS and my Ward... 💜💜💜
Amen
You guys are awesome! You made me laugh! Thank you for all you do. Love ALL your videos!
Alcohol is called spirits for a reason lol