I understand why some people may seem concerned that Kati is contradicting herself by informing her friends about 5150, but also seemingly supporting Eugenias stance that it was traumatic and not always the best move. However, a couple of points. 1) Kati was informing them of the process, but didn't actively trigger it. She was trying to help a person in need in a professional and informative manner. That is her role. 2) in this video, she is clearly offering Eugenia unconditional positive regard (a fantastic therapeutic stance) and empathy. She is echoing back Eugenia's feelings and validating them. This is incredibly important, and would have helped Eugenia feel comfortable and HEARD. Katy aptly recognised that Eugenia did not feel listened to or heard throughout this process, so it was important for Kati to give Eugenia space to be heard, understood and validated in her experiences. Eugenia's feelings are valid, and she deserves the space to express them and know that she isn't wrong or bad for feeling them. Especially with something as complex as an eating disorder. This might come off as contradictory to kati's prior involvement with her friends, but actually reflects Kati's skill and professionalism as a therapist. The last thing you want is to have someone numb up, become defensive and shut down on you. That would help absolutely nobody, least of all Eugenia. Kati handled this fantastically.
The way I read the situation was having a 5150 put upon you can be traumatising but actively seeking one out yourself will be less so as you're making the conscious choice to go there. Absolutely loved seeing how Kati managed to make Eugenia feel safe and as though she could open up! 10/10 need her as my own therapist lol
@@phuck8627 I guess that's better than nothing. But with how severe her condition is she needs a lot more. Her face went back down since she's been back from the hospital 😢
Honestly the 5150 probably made that worse. It's traumatizing and ever since being forced into a facility, I have a hard time trusting other people or proffesionals and only learned how to conceal that pain and such. I hope she gets better but in a way she feels she's in control of
@@kayprivate2720 what's wrong with a grown woman wearing what she wants? I heard some ex-ED people say that you puff up after getting help because you're body trying to used to the new process or something like that and then you kinda go back to normal so that happened to her
@@PGOuma I got extremely swollen feet and legs. Maybe about wk later I was in coma for 2 weeks. I was in the hospital for 2 months. Than outpatient for a year.
Eugenia probably wouldn't allow it now :/ You can tell the complete opposite differences in her mindset after she relapsed. She was so open about what she was going through when she came back online, now she's ignoring things and not talking about it again. I wish she would do another video!!
The bad part is she's being payed for showing off her body to creeps who like to watch that. Only saw 2 videos of her where she was just standing in her room and getting money for moving or picking up something. Really sick but both sides feed each other, pervs love it so just let it be, even her mom helps with that
This was uncomfortable to watch. I don’t really know this girl but she is in mad denial. It’s very very sad. I lost a friend to this disease, she eventually went into organ failure and died. She was only 29. I hope Eugenia realizes she needs help before it’s too late. I saw a recent video of her and she looks very ill. She’s all bones.
all of you people need to shut the fuck up. you don’t know her. you have no right to pressure and force people into help because it makes things worse. food isn’t the problem. WEIGHT isnt the problem. it’s a coping mechanism with a cause to it and you’re hurting her.
One of my friends died too from this horrible disease in her late 20’s too, it’s very scary seeing how close Eugenia is getting to that point, I really hope she gets help because she genuinely seems sweet but I have a feeling she won’t
I don't get how she gets so many "fans" pretending to care for her, but she still not in a mental health institute, she obviously need help and can't decide for herself.
she has a problem...with what? why so many peple are worried? why so many empty words, inability to form a sentance without using the word like, surroundings of a childs room for a grown up who when uncomfortable goes into even shreakier, child like voice? just wonderong as this content pops up constantly since i commented at one video...
She didn’t get help. She’s still in square one. Which is fine it’s on her own time, but until she realizes she has issues this will not help sending her /forcing her to get help.
Abby N Her mum cares I’m sure, but also indenial herself. I lost a baby brother a few weeks ago to cancer, chemotherapy killed him (side effects). I regret letting him being treated now even though deep down it’s the wrong thing to think. Her mother probably has some deep in denial issues and doesn’t want to believe her daughter isn’t well. By letting her go to a psych hospital she’s kind of letting her go (no control). It’s something no one can truly understand unless they are put in the situation themselves.
@@ashley-ww1rx I'm sorry but if my friend is dying from an ed I'm not just gonna stand there and let them "choose" because they're not in the right state of mind to begin with. She was so sick when she got put in there she couldn't even see that she had a serious problem.
It's kind of sad to see this video again cause in this video you can see she actually admits to having an ED and she actually seemed to want to get better and now she has completely relapsed and is in complete denial again. I wish Eugenia the best, I know how difficult ED's can be...
What happened to her to make her go back into denial, or get worse again? I feel bad for this girl. One look at her subreddit makes me sick. Thousands of people casually wishing for her death. wtf? Why does reddit even allow that?
@@ZeranZeran apparently according to what she said the other day; recovery was very traumatic i think they force fed her and it made her really sick. She does have tests that came back bad but she doesnt like to talk about it and just says overall recovery was very traumatic and a bad time in her life.
@Maylin Rivera it absolutely is excuses. She is perceiving it as force, but they don't force feed people. That would cause more issues. A lot of people have a temporary feeding tube for small amounts of liquid nutrition, such as boost drinks to get stable, but refeeding is a long process. She is sadly justifying her refusal to accept help.
She sounds disconnected from her story? Like she's talking about someone else, that's my impression at least. I hope she's getting all the help she needs and deserves
Because it's still only been like, what? A few months since she started recovering? She just started admitting she has a problem and getting help for it, it's not surprising if it's hard for her to actually face up to the full story just yet, it could take anywhere from months to years, trauma is hard to address.
MySuperPack i dont think its that uncommon to think of or relay traumatic events almost as a story, its a coping mechanism. I think a lot of people distance themselves mentally from painful experiences
The fact that she says the mental health professionals wouldn't believe her because it was a 4v1 situation and not because she was on the brink of death is more telling to her current mental health than anything. She still believes she was fine in that moment and anyone who would have seen her in that moment would know she wasn't.
none none eating disorders never go away mentally. It’s still early for her in the recovery process so she likely has relapses but if she keeps fighting she will get there!
I noticed this and took it the same way.. And the way that she clearly feels like her ‘friends’ did her dirty and how they never talked to her about her eating disorder in person probably because texts are easily shown and conversations are generally not recorded.
It’s hard for me to watch her uncomfortable smiling... she can never relax and let her guard down even a little. Not that I blame her. I do the same thing when I’m nervous.
Kati Morton, this is not helping Eugenia. You can pin the comments supporting your "supportive approach" all you want, but enabling is NOT helping. Also mentioning your channel five times per minute in the video on Eugenia's channel is an example of how this is more about views to you. This video and you are a disgrace to psychology as a field and as a profession. As a UA-camr, you influence people and I hope you realise how damaging content like this can be.
This girl is and has been bottling up A LOT. She never speaks in detail on how she is feeling and what is bothering her. She totally skims past it. She barely addresses anything. She must have some deep, deep trauma. She just scratched the surface of things.
Seems like there is still a lot of denial unfortunately. I hope one day she has a wonderful story of recovery to tell. She deserves all the happiness in the world, she truly does seem like she has the kindest soul. ❤
As someone who had a friend literally die from anorexia complications, a friend who had long standing anorexia, a friend who was in and out of inpacient, she still dosnt seem right and frankly im concerned she isnt still in therapy when shes had the condition for such a long time. Shes still in denial. This video just made me sad.
She’s still is upset her friends, who were very worried about her dying, got her help? We honestly don’t know if Eugenia would even be alive right now without what her friends did to save her life.
That's not what they're saying. Have you ever been 5150'd? It's not always a great situation. Jacklyn lied to her and had her sectioned against her will. Did it save her life? Maybe. But does Eugenia have to be on her knees thank them? Hell no. She has every right to feel upset with them and I know where she's coming from since I was in a very similar situation that has turned me off from trying to go to any other facilities other then therapy. Yes. If it's neccessary, a 5150 can be a good idea. But don't invalidate the patient for being upset about it. Otherwise, you're only making that person's recovery harder and teach them to lie and conceal it since they fear being betrayed again. You can't shock someone into making then change something especially something as serious as an eating disorder and it's just something you should weigh out. Will it actually help this person or just make them worse? No one can know exactly what to do in that situation but do be cautious if you start to consider it.
@@kristall5928 if she wasnt a threat to herself they wouldnt have 5150'd her. She very clearly needed help (and still does) and anyone who takes one look at her can see that. This isnt a case of saying the wrong things. There were multiple professionals who spoke with her and all agreed she needed help. Sure it may have been scary but you know what it's even more scary? Dying.
Hey kati, can you please check in on Eugenia? I just revisited her channel and she's lost all of her weight again and I know recovery isn't a linear process but I was hoping she isn't alone in all of this. I'm sure you've already checked in privately with her, I just want to say it incase you didn't know what her health was like.
Eugenia is still learning to talk about this, and sometimes exhibits nervous laughter, or may chuckle about things that may not be "funny." Kati does a great job keeping her demeanour and not reciprocating the laughter or nervous smiles. I think it really grounds Eugenia and let's her know the things she's saying aren't as bizarre as they seem talking about right now. *Edit: Eugenia and Kati do touch on this in the video as well. I commented before I saw that part. I admire your strength, Eugenia! And I admire your compassion and insight, Kati!
Yeah I noticed the same thing. We are taught as counselors not to laugh along with people who are laughing as a coping mechanism. I thought she did a great job!
@@alwaysyouramanda that's okay. Like she said to Eugenia you dont have to change it, it's a way for you to cope. If you really want to change it you can work with a counselor on that. We were just commenting on the appropriate way Kati responded to it.
It's still so concerning to see that she looks back on the situation in a mindset that implies she didn't need help or only "maybe" needed to start to get help. It feels like she's still consumed with the mindset of an eating disorder but is no longer in therapy?
It takes time. It isnt like a lightswitch for everyone. Any step in the right direction is a good step, no matter how small, and should be applauded and encouraged. Please realize anyone handling their mental issues has to work at their own pace. Forcing it will set them back and make them more unlikely to reach out. It sucks when someone isnt progressing as quickly as you want, but its either at their pace or nothing at all
She and her Mom had just had a conversation about going back to Connecticut so Eugenia could begin treatment. Then her "friends" got together and trapped her (away from her Mom) and called the PET who then came and took Eugenia to the hospital on a 5150. Imo they pushed Eugenia way too hard.
This was around the time everyone thought she was really trying to recover but you can genuinely get the sense she still doesn’t really think she has a problem. So of course she is back to where she started.
Unfortunately relapses are very common with eating disorders…I’m sure there’s a part of her that knows it’s not good for her but that inner voice is what can really pull you down. I hope 🤞 she can make it through this and want to seek help.
I was anorexic too, and I recovered. But you never fully recover. It takes a lot of mental strength and determination. Just like it would be for a very obese person to lose weight. You can't tell an obese "just stop eating" just like you can't tell an anorexic "just eat" I really hope she recovers, this disease can affect your bones, your brain, your fertility health, etc.
So her mother is an angel for bring up these concerns once in a blue moon, but long time close friends doing it are...bad? I get that she doesn't have to agree with what they did, but that doesn't magically get rid of their prior relationship with her or they didn't have her best intentions in mind...at least visually more so than her mother has seemingly done. But that's just my opinion.
It’s pretty mind boggling. She was extremely under weight even as a minor, yet her mom never got her to a doctor. She says she was going to get help within a month or two but she may not have even survived that long. It’s like she’s living in delusional world
"Visually more so than her mother" This is the problem. Y'all think you know everything because a bunch of people have made videos about this girl. You don't know anything about her life. For all any of us know, all of those "friends" could have been doing all of this for views. You have no idea what their relationship with Eugenia was like, or what her relationship with her mother is like.
Nova Shikashi Ace Kenkyo It’s not just that. It’s that these people claimed to be extremely close with her and wanted to take the credit for her recovery. I understand her frustration.
@@samanthajenkins340 They were close to her though. They're video evidence of at least a four year long friendship between them and her, and they did something instead of just waiting for something bad to happen. So I don't understand why they're the bad ones and the mom is a saint?
@@CassTeaElle I mean, with her again visually getting worse and worse over the years, I don't understand why the mother didn't make a proactive decision to get her help. The only reason she took a break and even ended up getting help to begin with was with the 505. Why did it take so long for her to get proper help? Why, if she apparently has both a supportive mother and friends wanting what's best for her could this still continue to happen?
As someone who has had been in treatment, I am extremely concerned about her NOT still being in follow-up therapy. She is most vulnerable to relapse right now. I'd also be interested if she signed herself out after a month or did her team suggest she stay 60 or 90 days? Is she still under doctors care? Very few eating disorder treatment facilities don't want you in follow-up therapy and an out patient program. PS.. I also say this in kindness and in love for Eugenia..but just because you don't remember a conversation with those people, does not mean it didn't happen. there were a lot of people who had expressed concern to me when I was at my sickest but truly I could not remember or process what was said to me because my brain was so malnourished & my body was so depleted.. I only found out years later about conversations that we had that I truly don't even remember.. don't underestimate how very sick you were.. and maybe give a bit of grace to those who love you, they just didn't know how to tell you.
@@weholdparties that's absolutely possible. I had get a loan to pay for treatment since I didn't have insurance... yes I agree.. she's still quite young .. I feel like she knows the internal conflict and mental anguish of the eating disorder but doesn't fully understand the full physical ramifications for her problem. I was one of those who was older when I reluctantly went to treatment.. On my second day there I was frustrated since I was definitely at a different stage in life and didn't feel like I needed to be there with all these "kids" around me.. I asked the MHT where were all the "older" women that I could hang with ..that I would have more in common with.. and I'll never forget what she said to me..she said people with EDs don't usually make it to the "older" stage of life.. it stopped me dead in my tracks, made me really really evaluate why I was there and what I was going to do while I was there and made it my purpose from that day forward to get the help I needed so I could move on with life.. sadly, by then I was in my 30s and had already spent 15+ yrs struggling.. I so wish I would have gotten help sooner.. I hope and pray Eugenia doesn't suffer for more than half of her adult life.. but it will be her choice.. people can put pressure & force you into treatment (of which I'm thankful for) but they cannot force you into recovery.. the sufferer must daily, moment by moment choose to act opposite to what their ED head tells them to do .. starting with consistently making and keeping their teams follow up appointments.. even just from a refeeding syndrome health standpoint alone. Praying for Eugenia. 🙏
Rita Lamar I had follow up therapy after I was admitted, but had to cancel. Expenses were too much and I'm a college student. Didn't want to, but I had to. Needless to say, I'm getting worse again. A few people already mentioned insurance coverage issues, and that could be a possibility.
@@skinni_the_P00hBear I completely understand.. have you reached out to the place that you were admitted for originally? They may be able to refer you to aftercare program with scholarships(because I didn't have insurance borrowed as much as I could)? That's the route I had to go.. please take care of yourself and keep pursuing recovery in freedom from your eating disorder. Life is never perfect, but there is a wonderful and beautiful life after ED. I promise recovery is possible and so worth it.
I dont see this as a helpful video for anyone. It's basically blaming the people who helped Eugenia for forcing her to do something against her will. I think a video like this will deter people from trying to get someone help.
it's really not, this needs to be talked about so the way mental health is dealt with changes, people who are a danger to themselves SHOULD NOT be forced to sleep in the same room with people who MIGHT KILL THEM
WillowsTails I think it’s really important to talk about. A 5150 is often necessary, but the way they do it needs a LOT of improvement. There needs to be private rooms away from people who might be dangerous to you, and there needs to be therapists there.
@@phuck8627 - you are so right. When a person is at the ER for mental health issue and then goes to the psych ward they are put in with other people that have very different mental health issues. If I am being separated from society for wanting to hurt other people regardless of who they may be - I shouldn't even be able to sleep in a room with someone else (even if they're also having homicidal ideations). It doesn't make sense. So many arm chair experts in these comments who haven't actually been committed.
I just don’t understand why Eugenia keeps speaking publicly about this when she obviously isn’t really ready for it. Honestly how many people speak so publicly about it WHILE they are STILL recovering very very early on. I’m very scared for her that she feels to much pressure.
She's tired of people assuming jaclyn told the truth. Jaclyn didnt. In fact,jaclyn used the situation to boost views,make money and sell tour tickets that no one wanted.
In almost every video she posts that doesn't discuss her eating disorder there are numerous comments from fans asking her about it and wanting her to talk about it. People posting UA-cam videos pressuring her to talk about it. She feels obligated and forced to talk about it and she clearly doesn't want to.
Because feeling uncomfortable isn’t a bad emotion. It’s hard to talk about these things but she can’t get better if she keeps silent. It’s hard enough admitting to yourself you need help let alone telling others.
Dana Healy yes but this early in recovery - ONLINE in front of thousands. How many of us do that? ... relapse is real. And she had barely gotten out of recovery therapy. She is fragile. Make no mistake. I don’t know if you’ve been anorexic. But unless you have, don’t talk as if you know what’s best for her right now. I am not saying I know it either. Just that she clearly seems uneasy and that i am scared for her relapse.
I understand how she felt betrayed and how scary the place was. But she was in a life or death situation that needed immediate attention. She was literally on deaths door and needed help. The intentions were good, but the videos made after we’re not. They might have approached the matter in a gentler way with more concern and maybe suggest helping bring her to treatment, but it was needed. She might still be in denial about how bad her situation had become. She is such a lovely sweet person and I am so glad she is making progress and it is very helpful that she is being vulnerable and opening up about this important subject.
I still think that she's in denial to an extent and seems to be resentful over the fact her friends got her help. Whether she thinks over or not they saved her life. Haven't she not got help, she would not be here today.
Agree. I don't believe what she says about her mom or that she would get help. She has been way too thin for way too long without any help. The *same* day her friends 5150ed, she decided she finally wanted to go? Why didn't her mom take her years prior? And even if she did decide that day (coincidences do exist) I'm pretty sure she would delay it and maybe wouldn't be here today. Whatever anyone says or the way it actually went, what we know it's very likely it saved her life. She couldn't wait even another week to get help, and most likely she would have.
The nervous laughter, constant smiling, etc. Makes me think she isn’t really showing her true self, as her experience/reality was obviously not a happy/fun/cheerful one. However, I have to remember that she is just leaning to talk about this, is nervous, etc. But I hope someday she can talk about it without the “i guess” and “maybe” and really own her emotions and what she went through and the strength she has to be able to get through this.
Better be traumatized than dead. And yes, sometimes that's the decision a loved one has to make. I feel this side was left out. Maybe this video was a bit early.
k but it doesn't have to be a choice between the two, how mental health is dealt with needs to change, it shouldn't be either, "let people with eating disorders kill themselves or force feed them", we can give them real help
@@phuck8627 If someone has a severe eating disorder who is in an unbreakable denial, and is dangerously thin, I don't know what you think 'real help' looks like.
Her mom was definitely her enabler! My parents didn't allow me to continue my "habits" less than 6 months after they started. And she's not in constant therapy rn??
Dorrit once you move out, what then? the majority of serious ED cases are adults who are living on their own, not adolescents who have to follow rules or get kicked out. Eugenia and you are dealing with two different scenarios. You may actually want to consider the future, because it is SO much harder to stay on-track as a working-class adult.
Can you please help Eugenia now :( she said she and her mum had already decided to get help yet after going to rehab, she stopped going to therapy and is currently relapsing. She needs friends and mental help professionals like you to say something since her family won’t.
Eugenia is clearly saying what she wants everyone to hear and looks to Kati for validation. The smiling whilst talking about difficult issues is most probably a byproduct of abuse: she’s not allowed to express “negative” emotion so smiles excessively whilst talking to detract from what she’s saying.
I too believe that she had to be nice to protect herself as a kid. I suffer from trauma too and my friends sometimes tell me that it's weird that I look neutral whilst talking about very dark stuff.
That could be the case, but also not. Myself, and most people in my family, smile when talking about difficult things because it's uncomfortable. And we have anxiety and just aren't good at dealing with that kind of thing. Nothing to do with abuse or not being allowed to express negative emotions
well it's hard not to feel disassociated when talking about a rough situation like that, so smiling is just a mechanism for her to avoid feeling bad about the uncomfortable topic. that's the only way i can talk about situations as well, speaking more happily is the only way i can get out the words i want to use, it's like a protective barrier that prevents me from shutting down and not wanting to continue the conversation
yeah although she did say that she had an eating disorder is one of her videos from around this time, she never said "anorexia" though. She also is extremely aware of which words may "trigger" people so she avoided them; it's also clear unfortunately that she didnt seem ready to admit it on camera either though :(
@@Rose_amethyst what is she supposed to do about that? she can't hide her complete appearence, when she's doing her streams/videos and she shouldn't have to. if someone is triggered by looking at someone who is underweight, thats something they need to work on. its no ones problem but theirs.
She clearly still needs alot of help. Not sure what is happening in this video Kati.. I love you but this feels a bit odd. But I guess you are not her primary care provider.
There's only so much she can actually really do. Her hands are tied. Eugenia might feel everyone is a threat right now. So she doesn't want to scare her off.
Her mother should have had her 5150'd a long time ago.. it should never have got to that point. She's lucky they didn't lose Eugenia.. I do question if she is lying about the part where they had already decided to get help before hand
Maree W I 100% agree with you. I doubt that was her plan, or sadly her moms plan. I’m a mom and I can’t imagine ignoring an obvious issue she has. I hope she never experiences eating disorders like I have in the past. But I’ve learned a lot from Eugenia and her mom basically on what NOT to do in a health crisis. I truly hope she gets the help she needs.
Seeing this now and how much she's regressed and relapsed not only physically, but mentally is whack. At least here she acknowledged her problem to some degree and was able to talk about her mental health. At one point she was willing and entertaining the idea that she's sick and wanted help. Now it's back to "I'm fine and everything guys." She is so clear minded here and now she can barely talk and her voculabary is limited and she forgets things. The cognitive distortions and physical regression is terrifying. I'm not sure if she'll make it out of this relapse and it's very sad to think of who she could've been without the disorder consuming her.
I trust the people who evaluated Eugenia did their job to the best of their ability with the information they were given. Eugenia said she told the people she was gonna go get help on her own in like a month or two... I don’t think she had a month or two. It’s also possible if Eugenia hadn’t had the 5150 experience to scare the crap out of her she wouldn’t have volunteered to enter a nicer facility of her choosing.
she said herself that the moment she realized she had a problem was when they weighed her, that's all she needed, she didn't need "the crap scared out of her"
I feel so bad for her. The constant smiling and agreeing with everything or apologizing, coupled with her manically talking but not saying anything of substance is so uncomfortable to watch. I hope she gets help. She seems like a sweet person.
To those blaming Kati for giving information to Jaclyn on how to get Eugenia involuntarily committed to an ED facility: Stop. Let’s be real here for a moment: if it weren’t for Jaclyn ACTUALLY doing something for once as oppose to Eugenia’s other friends: I truly don’t think she would’ve found help willingly. I know deep down that Jaclyn had good intentions for doing so and I get why Eugenia might’ve felt betrayed but it really was for her own good. I hope she continues on her road to recovery and maybe someday she might have enough confidence and strength to be able to talk about this difficult time in her life.
@@phuck8627 Like I keep saying I highly doubt that's the case. I'm just glad that they even did something because if it weren't for them actually giving a shit for once, I truly don't think Eugenia would've made it past 2019.
This is so painful to watch. She doesn’t let her guard down at all, and she’s being completely disingenuous. She never wanted help and she very likely never will want help because she’s so enabled by the internet and her own family. Yes, she’s an adult and can make her own choices, but if her family is really concerned there’s a number of things they could be doing for her.
I initially was happy about this video because Eugenia needs support. I think she's a sweet gal who is struggling with her demons, and a calm, nonjudgmental person in her life is a great thing. As the video went on, though, I got more uncomfortable with this whole thing. I wish her the best, but this video left such a bad taste in my mouth.
I know, it's concerning. I'm proud of how far she has come, but she's still in denial. I dont think she truly realizes the gravity of her disorder. She needs to wake up and realize she needs therapy, she needs to keep gaining weight or she could relapse. I'm very concerned from her and I really hope she can completely recover someday
I'm really disappointed to hear that she only spent 4 weeks in rehab and isn't maintaining her treatment back in California. She didn't talk about having a treatment team of a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, a therapist, and a registered dietitian. She didn't talk about any of the ways she's actively staying in recovery. A therapist is only part of the treatment team. She really should continue to work on this with professionals. It's all too much to do on her own and she shouldn't be expected to, especially after only a short time in rehab. Her return to social media was much later so one could argue that she had ongoing treatment; however, she has never spoke about it and everything she has had to say about recovery has been overwhelmingly negative. I hope she knows that it's completely ok to go back to a treatment center to help her through these daily difficulties she touches on. No one will look down on her for going back or even to a different treatment center if the one she was at just wasn't a good fit. We're all rooting for you, Eugenia!
Missy Marie she didn’t get the help she needed because she immediately relapsed and is right back at square one. She did need to go in but she wasn’t kept long enough at all for someone in her condition
A 5150 saved my life. I know it can feel scary. However, in my experience, the other people I met during my time in the hospital opened my eyes to types of suffering I had never seen before and exposed me to certain realities that caused me to grow as a person while reminding me how to laugh at the small things; in addition to which, they were all wonderfully unique and special people. I was lucky I guess.
5150 is traumatizing of course. Doesn't mean her friends were in the wrong especially since we know Eugenia was denying the problem. Yeah she said she was gonna get help later, but she was already at a dangerous point. Who knows if she would have made it. She wasnt BETRAYED by anyone. She failed the evaluation. They saw she wasn't in the right state of mind. They didn't pick the group of people over her. It's crazy though that shes acting like these people weren't her close friends even though apparently in the past they were really close. Idk this video leaves a weird taste in my mouth.
When you are locked up against your will, yes, you would feel betrayed. But her friends betrayed her when they made a personal video about her. And I don't really believe they were close. Jaclyn claims that but didn't talk about Eugenia until this whole controversy about her ED began. And Eugenia never mentions Jaclyn by name.
You don't just Imediately gain weight after having an eating disorder. It's a long process and we shouldn't just continue to judge what her body looks like soon after recovery. It may also be triggering for her and it is her choice to stay in therapy or not. Honestly I can see how the 5150 could turn her off from seeking more help. I do wish the best for her and hope she continues to do what she thinks is best
Not to mention she was severely severely underweight. I was barley underweight and still stayed for three months last time. Another time was a month but I was supposed to have day program afterwards.
her mom should have called them long ago. that is what my mom did and im well today..it took 10 years of sickness and her flghting, then some years fighting on my own but now 10 years of being healthy ❤
It’s 2021 and she has regressed so much. If Eugenia isn’t ready to accept help and stay on a steady path I’m afraid she won’t live to be 30 or 40. :( At the end of the day it’s Eugenia’s choice to live or die.
An alternate perspective on 5150: 1st of all I’m not at all invalidating Eugenia’s experience at all. I’m just sharing my own experience so that people have a wider range of information. I 5150d myself in Northern California. I had a very different experience. I went to the local ER, told them my situation, and they put me in an ER bed until a room opened up in a nearby mental hospital. I did have to ride over in an ambulance, but I was not restrained. (Possibly because I put myself there? I’m not sure what the policies are.) Once I arrived they took everything from me, including the draw strings out of my pajama pants and the chapstick from my purse. (Chapstick was considered a medication so I couldn’t have it without a prescription). The only thing I could keep was the book I happened to bring with me. I had almost nothing of my own. Rooms were set up 2 to a room and my roommate would scream at points throughout the night. They did a blood test every morning while you were still sleeping. They would wake you up by sticking a needle in your arm. I assume because you were least likely to fight back when you’re half asleep. You weren’t allowed in your room except to sleep, so you had to be in the living room with everyone else. Everyone else included a number of people who made me feel scared for my safety. Most of them were kind, but unpredictable, and you just never know what they’re in for. Some people acted like they would on the “outside” polite and private, others talked openly about what got them there, how many times they had been there, etc. I mostly kept to myself. I took notes on everything in the margins of my book with a pen that was really just an ink tip in a bendable rubber stick so you can’t hurt anyone with it. I still have the pen. I met with therapists and psychiatrists every few hours. Usually in groups but sometimes on my own. It was helpful to get access to medicine (the main reason I admit myself) but most of the therapists were tired and condescending. You could tell they had seen a lot and didn’t want to see anymore. Groups were mostly unproductive as far as finding solutions, but it was validating to hear other people’s experiences. They weren’t the same as mine but they included similar pain. I had the option to leave after the initial 72 hours but chose to stay another couple days. I think I was there 5 days total but it felt like at least 14. This was made worse by the fact that we couldn’t go outside so it was hard to keep track of time. (Usually you would be required to go outside, but this was during some of the bigger fires in the area and the air quality was too dangerous.) The food was fine. But that may be because I didn’t care too much about anything but getting properly medicated the whole time I was there. I made friends. One I still talk to today. She’s a sweetheart and we still reminisce about “inside”. It wasn’t a great experience, but it was my choice and I’m glad I made it.
People have to understand that in this interview Kati is using active listening with Eugenia to make her tell her story. She is not there to pass judgement or to “bring her back to reality” and to tell her bluntly she is still sick. She is there to listen and to make her speak of her traumatic 5150. We aren’t watching a therapy session or a intervention or a confrontation, we are watching Eugenia telling her point of view and her experience.
After all this time and all this supposed treatment she still is in denial and cant even say the actual words that she is anorexic. She refuses to say the actual words regarding the real deal about her e.d. Every interview she beats around the bush and is super vague and cryptic with her answers and its frustrating, and not helping anyone! She wont even admit it to herself and for that she doesn't want to get better.
I know, it really is sad and frustrating :( I feel badly for the people who finally pushed forward to get her help and who she and her mother clearly have such a large grudge on now
PriFitBeauty she doesn’t have to say it. No one is entitled to her specific diagnosis. She’s been talking more and more about her eating disorder as she feels comfortable to do so why is that not enough for you? It’s sick honestly. No one needs to hear the “real deal” about behaviors and ways her illness took forms and she doesn’t need to be saying them publicly for her own benifit AND others it might trigger. Your comment on this is utterly disgusting and no one has to pass a certain “test” you made up in your head to have their recovery path be taken seriously. This is HER recovery in HER own time in HER own way. Period. Stop trying to masquerade your nosy entitlement. It’s not cute.
CouplesCounseling As someone with anorexia who is in recovery I know recovery doesn’t look the same for everyone. But no matter where you go eating disorder recovery is similar to addiction recovery. Step one is you have to stop being in denial that it’s an issue and you have to work on naming it. The fact that she refuses to even name it or address it as an eating disorder isn’t recovery. She still sounds like she’s completely in denial and that means she still has an unhealthy mindset. An unhealthy mindset isn’t recovery. Just because she’s physically recovered doesn’t mean she’s in recovery. We don’t know I’ll admit that. Just like we don’t know she’s not in a good place in recovery. We don’t know if she’s forming different eating disorder behaviors. We don’t know. It’s just what we are noticing by the videos she’s made about it and Shane’s video and this video. It doesn’t make her seem like she’s in a good place with the mental recovery.
CouplesCounseling Very true. I hate that people keep getting upset that she doesn’t say that she is anorexic. Like, she doesn’t have to. I have bipolar disorder and it is extremely hard for me to say those words out loud and I often times don’t when asked about it. It is more difficult than people think.
@@IchIchiNaru its hard to talk about anything serious. Even moreso to thousands or millions of people you cant see and talk to personally, who will judge you any way they want and feel entitlement to your medical life. As far as talking about it goes, shes doing amazing by my book and shes a hell of a lot stronger than i would ever be.
As someone who used to work for the Suicide prevention hotline and is working toward their counseling degree I'm so disheartened by this video. There needs to be better protocols for emergency treatment and in my state we typically route people to mental health facilities. Ethically you know when you must involve others & break confidentiality. I BEG anyone and everyone if you fear for the person's life- make the call. You can't force someone to get better, you cant force someone to do the work, but sometimes we have to be the voice of reason for the people we love. Crisis intervention teams are there for a reason and typically specialize in crisis management.
"Not sick enough" that's what always made me feel guilt and confusion when I would get help! I have Bipolar 1 disorder but I can relate to that aspect.
Me too! My first psychotic manic episode I was told to go home and take allergie medicine, at that point I'd been awake for 3 days straight. Ever since then I question my episodes and "how bad" they are.
@@shelbycrutchfield845 I'm sorry to hear you were both incredibly invalidated. It happens too often where a manic episode is confused with a depressive episode, and to the untrained therapist, this often slips through the cracks. Wishing you both nothing but the best and that you both get whatever help you need.
I'm also Bipolar type 1. Had my first psychotic episode at 16, didn't get help until I was 21. I almost died from no medicine and alcohol (selfmedicating), and FINALLY got a good doctor. He just said: "I'll help you. But you have to stop drinking, because there's no use in me helping you if you die on me." Whilst raw, it was what i needed. I feel much better now tho. Turning 23 this year.
This anger me, she isn't in- treatment or having intensive outpatient treatment! ED clinic are known for releasing people, once they are in a "safe weight" they do NOT care about the person's mental health... It's a business, after all 😔
Agreed and honestly it looks like shes lost weight and her voice is back to being high pitched. I feel her ED has become more sneaky. I'm still so worried about her. When people found out about my ed I became so much more sly and sneaky to the point they think I'm fine now. It's so sad to hear her talk about her friends as "friends" 😔
I've been sectioned before and even though I really disliked it at the time, it was done in my best interest. Please don't let this deter you from getting help for yourself or a loved one.
I wonder how Eugenia feels like knowing that Kati was part of that intervention that she didn’t want to be a part of. Kati was suppose to be there that day. (according jaclyin) but I guess Kati changed her mind and here you are with Eugenia today. I wonder what’s next. I feel like Kati is in between and not taking a side because she has to really get both sides of the story and do more work. I’m intrigued lol
Guys but at least Eugenia now admits having an eating disorder, she won’t talk about it or go into details because she is uncomfortable but at least now she has some help and had advice from people who want to see her get better. I’m just so curious of what went behind doors and how came to this. But, I’m glad for Eugenia and her road to recovery.
Eugenia is a super agreeable person and often nods when Kati is talking, but it's really worrying how her demeanour shifts and how she shakes her head whenever she hears 'eating disorder' :(
My totally unprofessional opinion on Eugenia is that instead of expressing anger normally, she is turning it inwards on herself through the disorder. It is kind of disturbing how much she smiles and how she brushes off negativity. No one can sustain that truly, although it is admirable that she tries and this comment is not against her, just an observation.
My view is that there is a lot of unprocessed grief and rage underneath anorexia. She is constantly apologizing and laughing and smiling - it’s not what her real emotional life is. I don’t think of anorexia as self hate per se - I went through it and to me it felt more like self protection. There is rage inside there and my guess is it’s scary for her. But anger is a normal response to having been treated poorly and my guess is she has abuse/neglect/trauma in her background. Your relationship to your own anger is messed up and you need to learn to be able to feel those feelings and cope, without the behaviors. And that is hard, hard, hard. This girl breaks my heart and I wish her well.
I was literally just rewatching the series Shane did and he left so much out and I thought it would have been great if you were there to also make a video or something with her, and here you are. So excited to watch this, Eugenia is such a strong person I admire her courage to share her truth , she’s doing her best and I’m so glad this video is happening Katie!!
sharkyyy X She is probably a bit more ready to share more now. Also Katie is Trained Professional for mental health. Shane is not. But think both this Video and Shanes Video are great!
ive read ur comment and u seems a nice person such as kati and eugenia.and in my religion we love nice people but we love more those who trying to help or even just get happy to see others getting help and wishing them good i hope im making sence hhhh i mean iloved the way u comment and wish others wellness and happiness may god bless u all by the way to whom reading my comment dont come for me my intention is good and i know that not everybody religious but humanity is what all the religions preaching for🤗im from morocco excuse my english.spreading love and peace not hate bcz we all humans ❤
green apple i did that too but after some time I learnt how to not smile all the time when talking about deep stuff. It still happens sometimes tho 🤷🏼♀️
I do it too. I think bc whatever I’m talking about effects me so emotionally that I need to giggle or smile to soften the blow of talking about it. It’s by no means making light of the situation. I’ve also been 5150’d twice. I’m so proud of Eugenia for talking about it. Mental health doesn’t discriminate. I wish her all the best.
I saw someone comment about it looking weird and I was confused and thought it looked normal because I do it too and didn’t realize that it’s not “normal”
From my perspective it seems like she thinks she's better because she completed inpatient, but healing from something so serious like an eating disorder takes more than 4 months. Outpatient helps even if it is just to check in.
I feel like I'm missing something. She doesn't seem to see that she has a problem nor is she getting any kind of treatment. What was the point of posting this? It's depressing to see so much made over an intervention and it didn't seem to have any impact. I dunno.
I really don't know how I feel about the suggestion that those in mortal danger, due to their own mental health issues, can't or shouldn't be forced to get help initially. Isn't that what we do, for example- with those struggling with addiction- when we hold an intervention and force inpatient treatment? I agree that when it comes down to actually doing the work, embracing therapy, healing and recovering it is up to the individual..... but that initial action sometimes requires a dramatic stroke to save a life (like an intervention or forced hospitalization). I also agree that such a stroke can feel like a violation and can be traumatizing, but isn't that worth giving someone a chance at life? Not to meantion such an intense experience can be a wake up call as to the severity of the problem for the one suffering. I have a lot of experience with situations like this and the message here scares me quite a bit. Eugenia's feelings about what happened make me worry about her too. I feel like this video will terrify anyone in serious danger who may be considering inpatient for their mental health issues. Additionally, it could dissuade a friend from intervening when someone is on the brink of mental illness related tragedy. Yes, it's horribly uncomfortable, scary, and possibly traumatizing.....but you know what's worse? Dying or your loved one dying.
I voluntarily went to a locked mental health hospital after a suicide attempt. Her story of the beds, the lack of things to do, and the loss of free will brought all that back. I've been inpatient and outpatient before (2016). I'm just in therapy now but she's right about it being traumatizing. I still remember it really well. Ambulances bring it back too. She's very brave to share her story.
Unbelievably she actually looks healthier here. She's clearly extremely underweight but if you look at her recent videos she's literally a walking skeleton.
Very odd that there was no outpatient follow up. Usually facilities make sure that the patients are connected with an outpatient program and clinician before they leave
I think this was hard for everyone involved. I’m not sure her friends even knew how traumatizing it would be. They were just trying to do what they thought was best for her. I hope she continues treatment and lives a long and healthy life! ♥️
Agreed, it is very hard for family and friends to know what to do. The disease makes it very difficult for the person to acknowledge their problem. Most people are not equipped to help someone this ill. She is still so in denial. She looked a minute away from dying. So sad.
@@JennRighter the point of the video was to allow Eugenia to recount her experience with 5150. Not to analyze or criticize her perspective of what took place. It's her telling her story from her point of view in this moment in time. And that's worth understanding. I'm sure Kati has made other videos discussing how mental illnesses can warp perception, but that wasn't the point here.
I really appreciate the way Kati brought up how she smiles when she talks about hard things. It was gentle but I do think Eugenia needs to understand that. Her front that she’s “fine” is tiring and dishonest. If Kati had asked her to say something without smiling I’m sure she’d have a hard time doing so without crying.
When I was 15 I was also under an involuntary hold for a suicide attempt, but after the hold I went to a facility to get actual help and it was the best thing I’ve ever done. My point in sharing this is, don’t be scared to ask for and or get help. You’re loved.💕 Also I’m super proud of Eugenia!☺️
Wow, what a beautiful person! Thank you so much for doing interviews like these, and for putting mental health out there in a way that is accessible and nonthreatening. You are doing so much to help end the stigma. Thanks for all you do! ♥️
it’s so sad that she’s literally completely denying her eating disorder again. even after everything came out, she admitted to everything, the (not so great) shane dawson video is still available for everyone to see, and she’s still trying to say that’s just how she naturally looks. it’s so sad. i really want her to be able to recover, but just look at her streams… she doesn’t care.
Did the beginning say that 5150’s can end up being harmful? I really hope I saw that wrong because that would be so irresponsible to spread that kind of message. In this situation the friend most likely helped save eugenia’s life in doing that. They just called and the team did an evaluation and deemed her in need of a psych hold. It was good they did that.
Given how traumatizing it was for her to “get help” should tell you all you need to know about why she is resistant to seeking out help again… there are major flaws in our mental health care system. I pray for Eugenias true recovery on her terms and send her so much love ❤
Coming to this video now feels so surreal. When she came out of treatment I had so much hope for her. I truly truly hope she can recover. Come on Eugenia !! Please we are all rooting for you❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
sparkling sequin ................yeah she's big mad........ i'm gonna honestly look this up now just to see if the person with such aggression feels it even if they're just smiling because they're nervous as hell
Yeah and her smiles never seem real in her videos. This one specificity. It’s more of a robotic clench. Maybe something she’s just picked up from spending time in front of her camera
I understand why some people may seem concerned that Kati is contradicting herself by informing her friends about 5150, but also seemingly supporting Eugenias stance that it was traumatic and not always the best move. However, a couple of points.
1) Kati was informing them of the process, but didn't actively trigger it. She was trying to help a person in need in a professional and informative manner. That is her role.
2) in this video, she is clearly offering Eugenia unconditional positive regard (a fantastic therapeutic stance) and empathy. She is echoing back Eugenia's feelings and validating them. This is incredibly important, and would have helped Eugenia feel comfortable and HEARD. Katy aptly recognised that Eugenia did not feel listened to or heard throughout this process, so it was important for Kati to give Eugenia space to be heard, understood and validated in her experiences. Eugenia's feelings are valid, and she deserves the space to express them and know that she isn't wrong or bad for feeling them. Especially with something as complex as an eating disorder. This might come off as contradictory to kati's prior involvement with her friends, but actually reflects Kati's skill and professionalism as a therapist. The last thing you want is to have someone numb up, become defensive and shut down on you. That would help absolutely nobody, least of all Eugenia. Kati handled this fantastically.
Well said 👏
YES
LOVEEEEE
GLAD SOMEONES SEES THIS 👌🏼
The way I read the situation was having a 5150 put upon you can be traumatising but actively seeking one out yourself will be less so as you're making the conscious choice to go there. Absolutely loved seeing how Kati managed to make Eugenia feel safe and as though she could open up! 10/10 need her as my own therapist lol
It's extremely concerning Eugenia basically said she doesn't go to therapy and isn't getting more help.
she said she has a professional that she talks to still tho so it's not too bad, she just isn't paying someone for real therapy
@@phuck8627 I guess that's better than nothing. But with how severe her condition is she needs a lot more. Her face went back down since she's been back from the hospital 😢
The reality is you can't make someone want to recover. They need to want it. She might not be at that point yet.
In the end it's her choice you can't force someone
Kayla Marie the problem is she’s slowly committing suicide
It's so disheartening to hear Eugenia only stayed for less than a month in inpatient and isn't continuing outpatient therapy 💔
Honestly the 5150 probably made that worse. It's traumatizing and ever since being forced into a facility, I have a hard time trusting other people or proffesionals and only learned how to conceal that pain and such. I hope she gets better but in a way she feels she's in control of
There is no point on participating if you arent ready. The patient has to want it.
@@kayprivate2720 what's wrong with a grown woman wearing what she wants? I heard some ex-ED people say that you puff up after getting help because you're body trying to used to the new process or something like that and then you kinda go back to normal so that happened to her
@@kayprivate2720 idk im not a doctor
@@PGOuma I got extremely swollen feet and legs. Maybe about wk later I was in coma for 2 weeks. I was in the hospital for 2 months. Than outpatient for a year.
Katie, do you think you could get Eugenia to do a video with you now? She has relapsed badly and needs help more than ever.
I wish this comment got more attention :/
Eugenia probably wouldn't allow it now :/ You can tell the complete opposite differences in her mindset after she relapsed. She was so open about what she was going through when she came back online, now she's ignoring things and not talking about it again. I wish she would do another video!!
YES ‼️‼️‼️‼️ THIS ‼️‼️‼️‼️
She may not want help tbh. And she may have damaged her body beyond full recovery
The bad part is she's being payed for showing off her body to creeps who like to watch that. Only saw 2 videos of her where she was just standing in her room and getting money for moving or picking up something. Really sick but both sides feed each other, pervs love it so just let it be, even her mom helps with that
Um, I think she needs help again?
This was uncomfortable to watch. I don’t really know this girl but she is in mad denial. It’s very very sad. I lost a friend to this disease, she eventually went into organ failure and died. She was only 29. I hope Eugenia realizes she needs help before it’s too late. I saw a recent video of her and she looks very ill. She’s all bones.
all of you people need to shut the fuck up. you don’t know her. you have no right to pressure and force people into help because it makes things worse. food isn’t the problem. WEIGHT isnt the problem. it’s a coping mechanism with a cause to it and you’re hurting her.
One of my friends died too from this horrible disease in her late 20’s too, it’s very scary seeing how close Eugenia is getting to that point, I really hope she gets help because she genuinely seems sweet but I have a feeling she won’t
I don't get how she gets so many "fans" pretending to care for her, but she still not in a mental health institute, she obviously need help and can't decide for herself.
she has a problem...with what? why so many peple are worried? why so many empty words, inability to form a sentance without using the word like, surroundings of a childs room for a grown up who when uncomfortable goes into even shreakier, child like voice? just wonderong as this content pops up constantly since i commented at one video...
@@D8271 she's anorexic. Look her her up. She is nothing but bones.
The way she tells the story is as she didn't need help and is still upset about that..her mindset still seems unhealthy
She didn’t get help. She’s still in square one. Which is fine it’s on her own time, but until she realizes she has issues this will not help sending her /forcing her to get help.
I agree. Her friends were really brave to get her help. They must have been really scared for her. But she seems resentful or something
@@TheHouseOffice she does seem resentful. Her friends which we all know who she is referring to seemed concerned for her and wanted her to get help.
I agree, definitely.
@@TheHouseOffice she definitely seems resentful.
Eugenia in her own home: “thank you for having me here!”
She’s so wholesome 🥺
I know right?!? She's the sweetest xoxo
Well, it is Katie's channel.
Kati Morton I Like This Video In 2020 With Eugenia Cooney a lot
D N that’s what I was thinking as well.
I think she meant having her on Katie's channel.
If her mom really cared she would still be in treatment
Abby N Her mum cares I’m sure, but also indenial herself. I lost a baby brother a few weeks ago to cancer, chemotherapy killed him (side effects). I regret letting him being treated now even though deep down it’s the wrong thing to think. Her mother probably has some deep in denial issues and doesn’t want to believe her daughter isn’t well. By letting her go to a psych hospital she’s kind of letting her go (no control). It’s something no one can truly understand unless they are put in the situation themselves.
Its eugenias choice
@@ashley-ww1rx I'm sorry but if my friend is dying from an ed I'm not just gonna stand there and let them "choose" because they're not in the right state of mind to begin with. She was so sick when she got put in there she couldn't even see that she had a serious problem.
@@abbyn1939 The decision isn't up to you though. That's what people don't understand.
Eugenia will only benefit from getting help when she chooses it.
Abby that is not fair
It's kind of sad to see this video again cause in this video you can see she actually admits to having an ED and she actually seemed to want to get better and now she has completely relapsed and is in complete denial again. I wish Eugenia the best, I know how difficult ED's can be...
What happened to her to make her go back into denial, or get worse again?
I feel bad for this girl. One look at her subreddit makes me sick. Thousands of people casually wishing for her death. wtf? Why does reddit even allow that?
@@ZeranZeran i honestly think its something to do with her mother....
@@ZeranZeran apparently according to what she said the other day; recovery was very traumatic i think they force fed her and it made her really sick. She does have tests that came back bad but she doesnt like to talk about it and just says overall recovery was very traumatic and a bad time in her life.
@@setme4ree that sounds like ED excuses to me
@Maylin Rivera it absolutely is excuses. She is perceiving it as force, but they don't force feed people. That would cause more issues. A lot of people have a temporary feeding tube for small amounts of liquid nutrition, such as boost drinks to get stable, but refeeding is a long process. She is sadly justifying her refusal to accept help.
She sounds disconnected from her story? Like she's talking about someone else, that's my impression at least. I hope she's getting all the help she needs and deserves
That is an excellent observation.
Because it's still only been like, what? A few months since she started recovering? She just started admitting she has a problem and getting help for it, it's not surprising if it's hard for her to actually face up to the full story just yet, it could take anywhere from months to years, trauma is hard to address.
MySuperPack i dont think its that uncommon to think of or relay traumatic events almost as a story, its a coping mechanism. I think a lot of people distance themselves mentally from painful experiences
Not uncommon for traumatic events. People often disassociate during traumatic events making them feel like you watched it happen to someone else
@@meganmullis5386 While this is true Eugenia is no longer seeking treatment and is separating herself from good coping mechanisms purposefully.
The fact that she says the mental health professionals wouldn't believe her because it was a 4v1 situation and not because she was on the brink of death is more telling to her current mental health than anything. She still believes she was fine in that moment and anyone who would have seen her in that moment would know she wasn't.
none none eating disorders never go away mentally. It’s still early for her in the recovery process so she likely has relapses but if she keeps fighting she will get there!
I noticed this and took it the same way.. And the way that she clearly feels like her ‘friends’ did her dirty and how they never talked to her about her eating disorder in person probably because texts are easily shown and conversations are generally not recorded.
It’s hard for me to watch her uncomfortable smiling... she can never relax and let her guard down even a little. Not that I blame her. I do the same thing when I’m nervous.
I mention this in the video.. but it's towards the end. xoxo
Same
I do the same thing. I always try to put on a happy face.
S K as someone who does this too, it’s literally the last thing we want: to make you uncomfortable ❤️❤️
alwaysyouramanda oh I know it’s nearly involuntary
Kati Morton, this is not helping Eugenia. You can pin the comments supporting your "supportive approach" all you want, but enabling is NOT helping. Also mentioning your channel five times per minute in the video on Eugenia's channel is an example of how this is more about views to you. This video and you are a disgrace to psychology as a field and as a profession. As a UA-camr, you influence people and I hope you realise how damaging content like this can be.
This girl is and has been bottling up A LOT. She never speaks in detail on how she is feeling and what is bothering her. She totally skims past it. She barely addresses anything. She must have some deep, deep trauma. She just scratched the surface of things.
And many people don’t listen or understand and letting it out is hard because many people don’t react well when you do that.
Watching this now, seeing the condition she's in currently, is so heart breaking.
Seems like there is still a lot of denial unfortunately.
I hope one day she has a wonderful story of recovery to tell.
She deserves all the happiness in the world, she truly does seem like she has the kindest soul. ❤
And kind people usually has issues because people take advantage of nice people easily and kind people often carry also other people's burdens.
As someone who had a friend literally die from anorexia complications, a friend who had long standing anorexia, a friend who was in and out of inpacient, she still dosnt seem right and frankly im concerned she isnt still in therapy when shes had the condition for such a long time. Shes still in denial. This video just made me sad.
She’s still is upset her friends, who were very worried about her dying, got her help? We honestly don’t know if Eugenia would even be alive right now without what her friends did to save her life.
@@ninatellier9995 advised. Not told
That's not what they're saying. Have you ever been 5150'd? It's not always a great situation. Jacklyn lied to her and had her sectioned against her will. Did it save her life? Maybe. But does Eugenia have to be on her knees thank them? Hell no. She has every right to feel upset with them and I know where she's coming from since I was in a very similar situation that has turned me off from trying to go to any other facilities other then therapy. Yes. If it's neccessary, a 5150 can be a good idea. But don't invalidate the patient for being upset about it. Otherwise, you're only making that person's recovery harder and teach them to lie and conceal it since they fear being betrayed again. You can't shock someone into making then change something especially something as serious as an eating disorder and it's just something you should weigh out. Will it actually help this person or just make them worse? No one can know exactly what to do in that situation but do be cautious if you start to consider it.
@@kristall5928 my point remains the same.
They weren't her friends
@@kristall5928 if she wasnt a threat to herself they wouldnt have 5150'd her. She very clearly needed help (and still does) and anyone who takes one look at her can see that. This isnt a case of saying the wrong things. There were multiple professionals who spoke with her and all agreed she needed help. Sure it may have been scary but you know what it's even more scary? Dying.
Hey kati, can you please check in on Eugenia? I just revisited her channel and she's lost all of her weight again and I know recovery isn't a linear process but I was hoping she isn't alone in all of this. I'm sure you've already checked in privately with her, I just want to say it incase you didn't know what her health was like.
Please reach out to her again ...😔💔
Eugenia is still learning to talk about this, and sometimes exhibits nervous laughter, or may chuckle about things that may not be "funny." Kati does a great job keeping her demeanour and not reciprocating the laughter or nervous smiles. I think it really grounds Eugenia and let's her know the things she's saying aren't as bizarre as they seem talking about right now.
*Edit: Eugenia and Kati do touch on this in the video as well. I commented before I saw that part. I admire your strength, Eugenia! And I admire your compassion and insight, Kati!
She is a therapist. I would hope that she could behave professionally when someone is talking about something painful.
@@pinkpanda5696 I know she is. It was just a compliment 💕 I admire her professionalism and wanted to compliment.
Yeah I noticed the same thing. We are taught as counselors not to laugh along with people who are laughing as a coping mechanism. I thought she did a great job!
Ugh, I can’t help my nervous laughter and I hate having it brought up! 😩🥺❤️❤️❤️
@@alwaysyouramanda that's okay. Like she said to Eugenia you dont have to change it, it's a way for you to cope. If you really want to change it you can work with a counselor on that.
We were just commenting on the appropriate way Kati responded to it.
She wouldn't have seen 2020 if it weren't for this happening ..
It's still so concerning to see that she looks back on the situation in a mindset that implies she didn't need help or only "maybe" needed to start to get help. It feels like she's still consumed with the mindset of an eating disorder but is no longer in therapy?
It takes time. It isnt like a lightswitch for everyone. Any step in the right direction is a good step, no matter how small, and should be applauded and encouraged. Please realize anyone handling their mental issues has to work at their own pace. Forcing it will set them back and make them more unlikely to reach out. It sucks when someone isnt progressing as quickly as you want, but its either at their pace or nothing at all
Shayla Lynn it’s very concerning!
@@lynnryan5111 Perfectly said👍🏼
She and her Mom had just had a conversation about going back to Connecticut so Eugenia could begin treatment. Then her "friends" got together and trapped her (away from her Mom) and called the PET who then came and took Eugenia to the hospital on a 5150. Imo they pushed Eugenia way too hard.
This was around the time everyone thought she was really trying to recover but you can genuinely get the sense she still doesn’t really think she has a problem. So of course she is back to where she started.
yup
Unfortunately relapses are very common with eating disorders…I’m sure there’s a part of her that knows it’s not good for her but that inner voice is what can really pull you down. I hope 🤞 she can make it through this and want to seek help.
I was anorexic too, and I recovered. But you never fully recover. It takes a lot of mental strength and determination.
Just like it would be for a very obese person to lose weight. You can't tell an obese "just stop eating" just like you can't tell an anorexic "just eat"
I really hope she recovers, this disease can affect your bones, your brain, your fertility health, etc.
@@RedLion502 i think they force fed her with a tube and it made her really ill based on what she said on twitch
She is worse than she has ever been
she’s getting bad again
So her mother is an angel for bring up these concerns once in a blue moon, but long time close friends doing it are...bad? I get that she doesn't have to agree with what they did, but that doesn't magically get rid of their prior relationship with her or they didn't have her best intentions in mind...at least visually more so than her mother has seemingly done. But that's just my opinion.
It’s pretty mind boggling. She was extremely under weight even as a minor, yet her mom never got her to a doctor. She says she was going to get help within a month or two but she may not have even survived that long. It’s like she’s living in delusional world
"Visually more so than her mother"
This is the problem. Y'all think you know everything because a bunch of people have made videos about this girl. You don't know anything about her life. For all any of us know, all of those "friends" could have been doing all of this for views. You have no idea what their relationship with Eugenia was like, or what her relationship with her mother is like.
Nova Shikashi Ace Kenkyo It’s not just that. It’s that these people claimed to be extremely close with her and wanted to take the credit for her recovery. I understand her frustration.
@@samanthajenkins340 They were close to her though. They're video evidence of at least a four year long friendship between them and her, and they did something instead of just waiting for something bad to happen. So I don't understand why they're the bad ones and the mom is a saint?
@@CassTeaElle I mean, with her again visually getting worse and worse over the years, I don't understand why the mother didn't make a proactive decision to get her help. The only reason she took a break and even ended up getting help to begin with was with the 505. Why did it take so long for her to get proper help? Why, if she apparently has both a supportive mother and friends wanting what's best for her could this still continue to happen?
As someone who has had been in treatment, I am extremely concerned about her NOT still being in follow-up therapy. She is most vulnerable to relapse right now. I'd also be interested if she signed herself out after a month or did her team suggest she stay 60 or 90 days? Is she still under doctors care? Very few eating disorder treatment facilities don't want you in follow-up therapy and an out patient program.
PS.. I also say this in kindness and in love for Eugenia..but just because you don't remember a conversation with those people, does not mean it didn't happen. there were a lot of people who had expressed concern to me when I was at my sickest but truly I could not remember or process what was said to me because my brain was so malnourished & my body was so depleted.. I only found out years later about conversations that we had that I truly don't even remember.. don't underestimate how very sick you were.. and maybe give a bit of grace to those who love you, they just didn't know how to tell you.
@@weholdparties that's absolutely possible. I had get a loan to pay for treatment since I didn't have insurance... yes I agree.. she's still quite young .. I feel like she knows the internal conflict and mental anguish of the eating disorder but doesn't fully understand the full physical ramifications for her problem. I was one of those who was older when I reluctantly went to treatment.. On my second day there I was frustrated since I was definitely at a different stage in life and didn't feel like I needed to be there with all these "kids" around me.. I asked the MHT where were all the "older" women that I could hang with ..that I would have more in common with.. and I'll never forget what she said to me..she said people with EDs don't usually make it to the "older" stage of life.. it stopped me dead in my tracks, made me really really evaluate why I was there and what I was going to do while I was there and made it my purpose from that day forward to get the help I needed so I could move on with life.. sadly, by then I was in my 30s and had already spent 15+ yrs struggling.. I so wish I would have gotten help sooner.. I hope and pray Eugenia doesn't suffer for more than half of her adult life.. but it will be her choice.. people can put pressure & force you into treatment (of which I'm thankful for) but they cannot force you into recovery.. the sufferer must daily, moment by moment choose to act opposite to what their ED head tells them to do .. starting with consistently making and keeping their teams follow up appointments.. even just from a refeeding syndrome health standpoint alone. Praying for Eugenia. 🙏
Rita Lamar I had follow up therapy after I was admitted, but had to cancel. Expenses were too much and I'm a college student. Didn't want to, but I had to. Needless to say, I'm getting worse again. A few people already mentioned insurance coverage issues, and that could be a possibility.
@@skinni_the_P00hBear I completely understand.. have you reached out to the place that you were admitted for originally? They may be able to refer you to aftercare program with scholarships(because I didn't have insurance borrowed as much as I could)? That's the route I had to go.. please take care of yourself and keep pursuing recovery in freedom from your eating disorder. Life is never perfect, but there is a wonderful and beautiful life after ED. I promise recovery is possible and so worth it.
I honestly don't understand how she was released without being referred ....
If the issue really is insurance, I’m sure she could set up a go fund me or patreon just for out-patient costs and the community would help her out.
I dont see this as a helpful video for anyone. It's basically blaming the people who helped Eugenia for forcing her to do something against her will. I think a video like this will deter people from trying to get someone help.
it's really not, this needs to be talked about so the way mental health is dealt with changes, people who are a danger to themselves SHOULD NOT be forced to sleep in the same room with people who MIGHT KILL THEM
Pretty sure this video was made to explain what a 5150 is like; it’s traumatic.
WillowsTails I think it’s really important to talk about. A 5150 is often necessary, but the way they do it needs a LOT of improvement. There needs to be private rooms away from people who might be dangerous to you, and there needs to be therapists there.
WillowsTails OR it will teach people how NOT to force people into treatment using an Intervention - style tactic. they didnt have to TRICK her
@@phuck8627 - you are so right. When a person is at the ER for mental health issue and then goes to the psych ward they are put in with other people that have very different mental health issues. If I am being separated from society for wanting to hurt other people regardless of who they may be - I shouldn't even be able to sleep in a room with someone else (even if they're also having homicidal ideations). It doesn't make sense.
So many arm chair experts in these comments who haven't actually been committed.
She actually looks really pretty here. It’s crazy how “normal” she looked compared to now
Yes and she was even very small then but much more 'normal' thin. Now she is literally bones.
Yes she was absolutely freaking BEAUTIFUL here!!! 😭😭💔
It so sad this is a year old and she has completely regressed and relapsed. I want to see her visibly recover so bad :(
It's worse 🥺
@@michRobalino even worse now.
@@CelestialFerratorit's terrible right now
I feel like she's still in denial.
For sure. And people like Kati definitely help her stay in that bubble.
da nile ain’t just a river
Amethyst Wonderland she isnt in Egypt....
I just don’t understand why Eugenia keeps speaking publicly about this when she obviously isn’t really ready for it. Honestly how many people speak so publicly about it WHILE they are STILL recovering very very early on. I’m very scared for her that she feels to much pressure.
It's a shame people won't leave her alone about it. I don't think it's fair to her how much people feel entitled to her story.
She's tired of people assuming jaclyn told the truth. Jaclyn didnt. In fact,jaclyn used the situation to boost views,make money and sell tour tickets that no one wanted.
In almost every video she posts that doesn't discuss her eating disorder there are numerous comments from fans asking her about it and wanting her to talk about it. People posting UA-cam videos pressuring her to talk about it. She feels obligated and forced to talk about it and she clearly doesn't want to.
Because feeling uncomfortable isn’t a bad emotion. It’s hard to talk about these things but she can’t get better if she keeps silent. It’s hard enough admitting to yourself you need help let alone telling others.
Dana Healy yes but this early in recovery - ONLINE in front of thousands. How many of us do that? ... relapse is real. And she had barely gotten out of recovery therapy. She is fragile. Make no mistake. I don’t know if you’ve been anorexic. But unless you have, don’t talk as if you know what’s best for her right now. I am not saying I know it either. Just that she clearly seems uneasy and that i am scared for her relapse.
I understand how she felt betrayed and how scary the place was. But she was in a life or death situation that needed immediate attention. She was literally on deaths door and needed help. The intentions were good, but the videos made after we’re not. They might have approached the matter in a gentler way with more concern and maybe suggest helping bring her to treatment, but it was needed. She might still be in denial about how bad her situation had become. She is such a lovely sweet person and I am so glad she is making progress and it is very helpful that she is being vulnerable and opening up about this important subject.
I still think that she's in denial to an extent and seems to be resentful over the fact her friends got her help. Whether she thinks over or not they saved her life. Haven't she not got help, she would not be here today.
Her life was more important than maintaining the friendship to them and I hope one day she sees their sacrifice
I agree 100%. Her friends did the right thing.
I agree the videos Jaclyn released afterwards were so unnecessary
Agree. I don't believe what she says about her mom or that she would get help. She has been way too thin for way too long without any help. The *same* day her friends 5150ed, she decided she finally wanted to go? Why didn't her mom take her years prior? And even if she did decide that day (coincidences do exist) I'm pretty sure she would delay it and maybe wouldn't be here today. Whatever anyone says or the way it actually went, what we know it's very likely it saved her life. She couldn't wait even another week to get help, and most likely she would have.
she needs to go to an inpatient facility for a year or more to actually make any progress.
The nervous laughter, constant smiling, etc. Makes me think she isn’t really showing her true self, as her experience/reality was obviously not a happy/fun/cheerful one. However, I have to remember that she is just leaning to talk about this, is nervous, etc. But I hope someday she can talk about it without the “i guess” and “maybe” and really own her emotions and what she went through and the strength she has to be able to get through this.
I honestly just love her, she's so kind hearted
She really is!! xoxox
Ikr 😁
If only she'll learn how to be kind and loving towards herself 😞
@@Katimorton Kati please can you reach out and try to help this girl. She's on the verge of death and in complete denial. It's so sad 😢
Better be traumatized than dead. And yes, sometimes that's the decision a loved one has to make. I feel this side was left out. Maybe this video was a bit early.
k but it doesn't have to be a choice between the two, how mental health is dealt with needs to change, it shouldn't be either, "let people with eating disorders kill themselves or force feed them", we can give them real help
@@phuck8627 If someone has a severe eating disorder who is in an unbreakable denial, and is dangerously thin, I don't know what you think 'real help' looks like.
she looks so dead inside its sad.
Her mom was definitely her enabler! My parents didn't allow me to continue my "habits" less than 6 months after they started. And she's not in constant therapy rn??
Dorrit once you move out, what then? the majority of serious ED cases are adults who are living on their own, not adolescents who have to follow rules or get kicked out. Eugenia and you are dealing with two different scenarios. You may actually want to consider the future, because it is SO much harder to stay on-track as a working-class adult.
@@roxxandra okay but that wasn't what I was getting at? Also while I still do live with my parents, I've considerably recovered.
@@roxxandra she lives with her parents
Rox Xandra what are you talking about she lives with her mom still.
Can you please help Eugenia now :( she said she and her mum had already decided to get help yet after going to rehab, she stopped going to therapy and is currently relapsing. She needs friends and mental help professionals like you to say something since her family won’t.
Eugenia is clearly saying what she wants everyone to hear and looks to Kati for validation. The smiling whilst talking about difficult issues is most probably a byproduct of abuse: she’s not allowed to express “negative” emotion so smiles excessively whilst talking to detract from what she’s saying.
I too believe that she had to be nice to protect herself as a kid. I suffer from trauma too and my friends sometimes tell me that it's weird that I look neutral whilst talking about very dark stuff.
That could be the case, but also not. Myself, and most people in my family, smile when talking about difficult things because it's uncomfortable. And we have anxiety and just aren't good at dealing with that kind of thing. Nothing to do with abuse or not being allowed to express negative emotions
@@HeatherWho11.10I'm exactly the same, and don't have a background of abuse, either.
well it's hard not to feel disassociated when talking about a rough situation like that, so smiling is just a mechanism for her to avoid feeling bad about the uncomfortable topic. that's the only way i can talk about situations as well, speaking more happily is the only way i can get out the words i want to use, it's like a protective barrier that prevents me from shutting down and not wanting to continue the conversation
Kati is the only one who acknowledged/said “eating disorder”. Eugenia never actually said the words eating disorder or anorexia.
yeah although she did say that she had an eating disorder is one of her videos from around this time, she never said "anorexia" though. She also is extremely aware of which words may "trigger" people so she avoided them; it's also clear unfortunately that she didnt seem ready to admit it on camera either though :(
@@georgialees5238words would trigger people, but her appearance won't trigger people??!?!
@@Rose_amethyst what is she supposed to do about that? she can't hide her complete appearence, when she's doing her streams/videos and she shouldn't have to. if someone is triggered by looking at someone who is underweight, thats something they need to work on. its no ones problem but theirs.
She said the words "eating disorder" in Shane's video
She clearly still needs alot of help. Not sure what is happening in this video Kati.. I love you but this feels a bit odd.
But I guess you are not her primary care provider.
True
There's only so much she can actually really do. Her hands are tied. Eugenia might feel everyone is a threat right now. So she doesn't want to scare her off.
You don't know what Kati has said when the cameras weren't on
Her mother should have had her 5150'd a long time ago.. it should never have got to that point. She's lucky they didn't lose Eugenia.. I do question if she is lying about the part where they had already decided to get help before hand
Maree W I 100% agree with you. I doubt that was her plan, or sadly her moms plan. I’m a mom and I can’t imagine ignoring an obvious issue she has. I hope she never experiences eating disorders like I have in the past. But I’ve learned a lot from Eugenia and her mom basically on what NOT to do in a health crisis. I truly hope she gets the help she needs.
Seeing this now and how much she's regressed and relapsed not only physically, but mentally is whack. At least here she acknowledged her problem to some degree and was able to talk about her mental health. At one point she was willing and entertaining the idea that she's sick and wanted help. Now it's back to "I'm fine and everything guys." She is so clear minded here and now she can barely talk and her voculabary is limited and she forgets things. The cognitive distortions and physical regression is terrifying. I'm not sure if she'll make it out of this relapse and it's very sad to think of who she could've been without the disorder consuming her.
Absolutely. I couldn't watch all of her video from a week ago because it was anxiety-provoking to me.
Any way you can rach out to Eugenia? She's really struggling.
I trust the people who evaluated Eugenia did their job to the best of their ability with the information they were given. Eugenia said she told the people she was gonna go get help on her own in like a month or two... I don’t think she had a month or two. It’s also possible if Eugenia hadn’t had the 5150 experience to scare the crap out of her she wouldn’t have volunteered to enter a nicer facility of her choosing.
@B3llet Truth Same thoughts. I think the experience of 5150 triggered something in her.
@B3llet Truth wouldnt have*
she said herself that the moment she realized she had a problem was when they weighed her, that's all she needed, she didn't need "the crap scared out of her"
Phuck You
Neither you or I will ever know if that’s actually true. I’m purely speculating.
@@phuck8627 Imagine if nobody weighed here then... She would've died.
I feel so bad for her. The constant smiling and agreeing with everything or apologizing, coupled with her manically talking but not saying anything of substance is so uncomfortable to watch. I hope she gets help. She seems like a sweet person.
To those blaming Kati for giving information to Jaclyn on how to get Eugenia involuntarily committed to an ED facility: Stop. Let’s be real here for a moment: if it weren’t for Jaclyn ACTUALLY doing something for once as oppose to Eugenia’s other friends: I truly don’t think she would’ve found help willingly. I know deep down that Jaclyn had good intentions for doing so and I get why Eugenia might’ve felt betrayed but it really was for her own good. I hope she continues on her road to recovery and maybe someday she might have enough confidence and strength to be able to talk about this difficult time in her life.
Why are you censoring Jaclyns name?
And the mental institution she was takento,doesnt treat ED.
@@nikki1932 wait is she really censoring that wtfff
she only did what she did to get praise from people, she wasn't trying to do what was right
@@phuck8627 Like I keep saying I highly doubt that's the case. I'm just glad that they even did something because if it weren't for them actually giving a shit for once, I truly don't think Eugenia would've made it past 2019.
Eugenia is in denial. She doesn’t admit to having an issue now… she doesn’t think she needs to gain weight.
Or she does and doesn’t care. She makes money off of her disorder
This is so painful to watch. She doesn’t let her guard down at all, and she’s being completely disingenuous. She never wanted help and she very likely never will want help because she’s so enabled by the internet and her own family. Yes, she’s an adult and can make her own choices, but if her family is really concerned there’s a number of things they could be doing for her.
I initially was happy about this video because Eugenia needs support. I think she's a sweet gal who is struggling with her demons, and a calm, nonjudgmental person in her life is a great thing. As the video went on, though, I got more uncomfortable with this whole thing. I wish her the best, but this video left such a bad taste in my mouth.
I know, it's concerning. I'm proud of how far she has come, but she's still in denial. I dont think she truly realizes the gravity of her disorder. She needs to wake up and realize she needs therapy, she needs to keep gaining weight or she could relapse. I'm very concerned from her and I really hope she can completely recover someday
Why is that? Genuinely wondering
I'm really disappointed to hear that she only spent 4 weeks in rehab and isn't maintaining her treatment back in California. She didn't talk about having a treatment team of a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, a therapist, and a registered dietitian. She didn't talk about any of the ways she's actively staying in recovery. A therapist is only part of the treatment team. She really should continue to work on this with professionals. It's all too much to do on her own and she shouldn't be expected to, especially after only a short time in rehab. Her return to social media was much later so one could argue that she had ongoing treatment; however, she has never spoke about it and everything she has had to say about recovery has been overwhelmingly negative. I hope she knows that it's completely ok to go back to a treatment center to help her through these daily difficulties she touches on. No one will look down on her for going back or even to a different treatment center if the one she was at just wasn't a good fit. We're all rooting for you, Eugenia!
I still think she needed the 5150 and Im sorry it was scary but you got the help you needed please continue therapy
Missy Marie she didn’t get the help she needed because she immediately relapsed and is right back at square one. She did need to go in but she wasn’t kept long enough at all for someone in her condition
Missy Marie she got the help she needed AFTER. watch the video and listen, aye yiy
She looks worse right now than we’ve ever seen her… She needs help ASAP!! 🥺💔
Yes her entire body is dying ATM in 2022 her wrists and hands are ... No words can describe it
A 5150 saved my life. I know it can feel scary. However, in my experience, the other people I met during my time in the hospital opened my eyes to types of suffering I had never seen before and exposed me to certain realities that caused me to grow as a person while reminding me how to laugh at the small things; in addition to which, they were all wonderfully unique and special people. I was lucky I guess.
No, the same thing happened to me.
It's difficult but some of those people changed me in many different ways.
Yeah I kind of can't believe that Kati is validating the idea that they do more harm than good
5150 is traumatizing of course. Doesn't mean her friends were in the wrong especially since we know Eugenia was denying the problem. Yeah she said she was gonna get help later, but she was already at a dangerous point. Who knows if she would have made it. She wasnt BETRAYED by anyone. She failed the evaluation. They saw she wasn't in the right state of mind. They didn't pick the group of people over her.
It's crazy though that shes acting like these people weren't her close friends even though apparently in the past they were really close.
Idk this video leaves a weird taste in my mouth.
what does this have to do with anything?
@@phuck8627 ;3
When you are locked up against your will, yes, you would feel betrayed.
But her friends betrayed her when they made a personal video about her.
And I don't really believe they were close. Jaclyn claims that but didn't talk about Eugenia until this whole controversy about her ED began. And Eugenia never mentions Jaclyn by name.
Yes, please talk to Eugenia again, she's looking really sad 😢
I'm very very surprised she is not in therapy. I'm glad her weight is better, but is it? Her clothes are so baggy.
You don't just Imediately gain weight after having an eating disorder. It's a long process and we shouldn't just continue to judge what her body looks like soon after recovery. It may also be triggering for her and it is her choice to stay in therapy or not. Honestly I can see how the 5150 could turn her off from seeking more help. I do wish the best for her and hope she continues to do what she thinks is best
KickingGeese totally read this in your voice 😂😂
Not to mention she was severely severely underweight. I was barley underweight and still stayed for three months last time. Another time was a month but I was supposed to have day program afterwards.
laindefy -I think she knows she’s sick, she just can’t say the words. It took me months to say I needed help all while being in treatment voluntarily.
i was just watching your reactions lmao!
your comment is exactly what i thought
her mom should have called them long ago. that is what my mom did and im well today..it took 10 years of sickness and her flghting, then some years fighting on my own but now 10 years of being healthy ❤
It’s 2021 and she has regressed so much. If Eugenia isn’t ready to accept help and stay on a steady path I’m afraid she won’t live to be 30 or 40. :( At the end of the day it’s Eugenia’s choice to live or die.
An alternate perspective on 5150:
1st of all I’m not at all invalidating Eugenia’s experience at all. I’m just sharing my own experience so that people have a wider range of information.
I 5150d myself in Northern California. I had a very different experience. I went to the local ER, told them my situation, and they put me in an ER bed until a room opened up in a nearby mental hospital. I did have to ride over in an ambulance, but I was not restrained. (Possibly because I put myself there? I’m not sure what the policies are.)
Once I arrived they took everything from me, including the draw strings out of my pajama pants and the chapstick from my purse. (Chapstick was considered a medication so I couldn’t have it without a prescription). The only thing I could keep was the book I happened to bring with me. I had almost nothing of my own.
Rooms were set up 2 to a room and my roommate would scream at points throughout the night. They did a blood test every morning while you were still sleeping. They would wake you up by sticking a needle in your arm. I assume because you were least likely to fight back when you’re half asleep.
You weren’t allowed in your room except to sleep, so you had to be in the living room with everyone else. Everyone else included a number of people who made me feel scared for my safety. Most of them were kind, but unpredictable, and you just never know what they’re in for. Some people acted like they would on the “outside” polite and private, others talked openly about what got them there, how many times they had been there, etc. I mostly kept to myself. I took notes on everything in the margins of my book with a pen that was really just an ink tip in a bendable rubber stick so you can’t hurt anyone with it. I still have the pen.
I met with therapists and psychiatrists every few hours. Usually in groups but sometimes on my own. It was helpful to get access to medicine (the main reason I admit myself) but most of the therapists were tired and condescending. You could tell they had seen a lot and didn’t want to see anymore. Groups were mostly unproductive as far as finding solutions, but it was validating to hear other people’s experiences. They weren’t the same as mine but they included similar pain.
I had the option to leave after the initial 72 hours but chose to stay another couple days. I think I was there 5 days total but it felt like at least 14. This was made worse by the fact that we couldn’t go outside so it was hard to keep track of time. (Usually you would be required to go outside, but this was during some of the bigger fires in the area and the air quality was too dangerous.)
The food was fine. But that may be because I didn’t care too much about anything but getting properly medicated the whole time I was there.
I made friends. One I still talk to today. She’s a sweetheart and we still reminisce about “inside”.
It wasn’t a great experience, but it was my choice and I’m glad I made it.
Dear Kati...why does EC now deny that she does not have an eating disorder yet she has clearly deteriorated further?
And now she is the sickest she has ever been.
:(
Even worse recently!
People have to understand that in this interview Kati is using active listening with Eugenia to make her tell her story. She is not there to pass judgement or to “bring her back to reality” and to tell her bluntly she is still sick. She is there to listen and to make her speak of her traumatic 5150. We aren’t watching a therapy session or a intervention or a confrontation, we are watching Eugenia telling her point of view and her experience.
You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped
Facts
After all this time and all this supposed treatment she still is in denial and cant even say the actual words that she is anorexic. She refuses to say the actual words regarding the real deal about her e.d. Every interview she beats around the bush and is super vague and cryptic with her answers and its frustrating, and not helping anyone! She wont even admit it to herself and for that she doesn't want to get better.
I know, it really is sad and frustrating :( I feel badly for the people who finally pushed forward to get her help and who she and her mother clearly have such a large grudge on now
PriFitBeauty she doesn’t have to say it. No one is entitled to her specific diagnosis. She’s been talking more and more about her eating disorder as she feels comfortable to do so why is that not enough for you? It’s sick honestly. No one needs to hear the “real deal” about behaviors and ways her illness took forms and she doesn’t need to be saying them publicly for her own benifit AND others it might trigger. Your comment on this is utterly disgusting and no one has to pass a certain “test” you made up in your head to have their recovery path be taken seriously. This is HER recovery in HER own time in HER own way. Period. Stop trying to masquerade your nosy entitlement. It’s not cute.
CouplesCounseling As someone with anorexia who is in recovery I know recovery doesn’t look the same for everyone. But no matter where you go eating disorder recovery is similar to addiction recovery. Step one is you have to stop being in denial that it’s an issue and you have to work on naming it. The fact that she refuses to even name it or address it as an eating disorder isn’t recovery. She still sounds like she’s completely in denial and that means she still has an unhealthy mindset. An unhealthy mindset isn’t recovery. Just because she’s physically recovered doesn’t mean she’s in recovery. We don’t know I’ll admit that. Just like we don’t know she’s not in a good place in recovery. We don’t know if she’s forming different eating disorder behaviors. We don’t know. It’s just what we are noticing by the videos she’s made about it and Shane’s video and this video. It doesn’t make her seem like she’s in a good place with the mental recovery.
CouplesCounseling Very true. I hate that people keep getting upset that she doesn’t say that she is anorexic. Like, she doesn’t have to. I have bipolar disorder and it is extremely hard for me to say those words out loud and I often times don’t when asked about it. It is more difficult than people think.
@@IchIchiNaru its hard to talk about anything serious. Even moreso to thousands or millions of people you cant see and talk to personally, who will judge you any way they want and feel entitlement to your medical life. As far as talking about it goes, shes doing amazing by my book and shes a hell of a lot stronger than i would ever be.
As someone who used to work for the Suicide prevention hotline and is working toward their counseling degree I'm so disheartened by this video. There needs to be better protocols for emergency treatment and in my state we typically route people to mental health facilities. Ethically you know when you must involve others & break confidentiality. I BEG anyone and everyone if you fear for the person's life- make the call. You can't force someone to get better, you cant force someone to do the work, but sometimes we have to be the voice of reason for the people we love. Crisis intervention teams are there for a reason and typically specialize in crisis management.
"Not sick enough" that's what always made me feel guilt and confusion when I would get help! I have Bipolar 1 disorder but I can relate to that aspect.
Me too! My first psychotic manic episode I was told to go home and take allergie medicine, at that point I'd been awake for 3 days straight. Ever since then I question my episodes and "how bad" they are.
@@shelbycrutchfield845 I'm sorry to hear you were both incredibly invalidated. It happens too often where a manic episode is confused with a depressive episode, and to the untrained therapist, this often slips through the cracks. Wishing you both nothing but the best and that you both get whatever help you need.
I'm also Bipolar type 1.
Had my first psychotic episode at 16, didn't get help until I was 21.
I almost died from no medicine and alcohol (selfmedicating), and FINALLY got a good doctor.
He just said:
"I'll help you. But you have to stop drinking, because there's no use in me helping you if you die on me."
Whilst raw, it was what i needed.
I feel much better now tho.
Turning 23 this year.
Same. BPD, ED & cPTSD. I hope this beautiful soul can heal.
She looked so much healthier here -hoping she can get help again, her recent videos are so scary
Errmmm, can you please try and help Eugenia again, because I’m worried
This anger me, she isn't in- treatment or having intensive outpatient treatment!
ED clinic are known for releasing people, once they are in a "safe weight" they do NOT care about the person's mental health... It's a business, after all 😔
Agreed and honestly it looks like shes lost weight and her voice is back to being high pitched. I feel her ED has become more sneaky. I'm still so worried about her. When people found out about my ed I became so much more sly and sneaky to the point they think I'm fine now. It's so sad to hear her talk about her friends as "friends" 😔
@@Shy__wolf her friends saved her.
@@lilli8985 I know
Welcome to America 😴
I've been sectioned before and even though I really disliked it at the time, it was done in my best interest. Please don't let this deter you from getting help for yourself or a loved one.
I wonder how Eugenia feels like knowing that Kati was part of that intervention that she didn’t want to be a part of. Kati was suppose to be there that day. (according jaclyin) but I guess Kati changed her mind and here you are with Eugenia today. I wonder what’s next. I feel like Kati is in between and not taking a side because she has to really get both sides of the story and do more work. I’m intrigued lol
Guys but at least Eugenia now admits having an eating disorder, she won’t talk about it or go into details because she is uncomfortable but at least now she has some help and had advice from people who want to see her get better. I’m just so curious of what went behind doors and how came to this. But, I’m glad for Eugenia and her road to recovery.
Shinisou I was just thinking about that too. Because at end of the day it’s all about the money.
@@oripii Pretty Badass of Eugeina to mention that someone else was meant to be there but didnt show up right to Katis face
Eugenia is a super agreeable person and often nods when Kati is talking, but it's really worrying how her demeanour shifts and how she shakes her head whenever she hears 'eating disorder' :(
My totally unprofessional opinion on Eugenia is that instead of expressing anger normally, she is turning it inwards on herself through the disorder. It is kind of disturbing how much she smiles and how she brushes off negativity. No one can sustain that truly, although it is admirable that she tries and this comment is not against her, just an observation.
My view is that there is a lot of unprocessed grief and rage underneath anorexia. She is constantly apologizing and laughing and smiling - it’s not what her real emotional life is. I don’t think of anorexia as self hate per se - I went through it and to me it felt more like self protection. There is rage inside there and my guess is it’s scary for her. But anger is a normal response to having been treated poorly and my guess is she has abuse/neglect/trauma in her background. Your relationship to your own anger is messed up and you need to learn to be able to feel those feelings and cope, without the behaviors. And that is hard, hard, hard. This girl breaks my heart and I wish her well.
I was literally just rewatching the series Shane did and he left so much out and I thought it would have been great if you were there to also make a video or something with her, and here you are. So excited to watch this, Eugenia is such a strong person I admire her courage to share her truth , she’s doing her best and I’m so glad this video is happening Katie!!
sharkyyy X She is probably a bit more ready to share more now. Also Katie is Trained Professional for mental health. Shane is not. But think both this Video and Shanes Video are great!
ive read ur comment and u seems a nice person such as kati and eugenia.and in my religion we love nice people but we love more those who trying to help or even just get happy to see others getting help and wishing them good
i hope im making sence hhhh i mean iloved the way u comment and wish others wellness and happiness
may god bless u all
by the way to whom reading my comment dont come for me my intention is good and i know that not everybody religious but humanity is what all the religions preaching for🤗im from morocco excuse my english.spreading love and peace not hate bcz we all humans ❤
If she was doing her best she wouldn't be losing weight again.She is still very sick but for some reason ppl are now enabling her.
lol I do the same thing as her. I laugh/smile when I'm talking about traumatic or depressing stuff. I guess it's a coping mechanism.
green apple i did that too but after some time I learnt how to not smile all the time when talking about deep stuff. It still happens sometimes tho 🤷🏼♀️
I do it too. I think bc whatever I’m talking about effects me so emotionally that I need to giggle or smile to soften the blow of talking about it. It’s by no means making light of the situation. I’ve also been 5150’d twice. I’m so proud of Eugenia for talking about it. Mental health doesn’t discriminate. I wish her all the best.
It is, it’s to do with pushing your emotions down. I do it, my therapist told me. It’s suppressing your emotions
I saw someone comment about it looking weird and I was confused and thought it looked normal because I do it too and didn’t realize that it’s not “normal”
Yeah so you feel less vulnerable. I do it too :p
From my perspective it seems like she thinks she's better because she completed inpatient, but healing from something so serious like an eating disorder takes more than 4 months. Outpatient helps even if it is just to check in.
Even talking about it online shows that she is constantly making progress.
I feel like I'm missing something. She doesn't seem to see that she has a problem nor is she getting any kind of treatment. What was the point of posting this? It's depressing to see so much made over an intervention and it didn't seem to have any impact. I dunno.
The point is that the 5150 is a terrible idea!
Y'all should watch Elzani's "Hospitalized for 3 months for anorexia" if you really want to understand illness and anorexia for that manner.
just watched that video before this one :( so heartbreaking
I really don't know how I feel about the suggestion that those in mortal danger, due to their own mental health issues, can't or shouldn't be forced to get help initially. Isn't that what we do, for example- with those struggling with addiction- when we hold an intervention and force inpatient treatment? I agree that when it comes down to actually doing the work, embracing therapy, healing and recovering it is up to the individual..... but that initial action sometimes requires a dramatic stroke to save a life (like an intervention or forced hospitalization). I also agree that such a stroke can feel like a violation and can be traumatizing, but isn't that worth giving someone a chance at life? Not to meantion such an intense experience can be a wake up call as to the severity of the problem for the one suffering. I have a lot of experience with situations like this and the message here scares me quite a bit. Eugenia's feelings about what happened make me worry about her too. I feel like this video will terrify anyone in serious danger who may be considering inpatient for their mental health issues. Additionally, it could dissuade a friend from intervening when someone is on the brink of mental illness related tragedy. Yes, it's horribly uncomfortable, scary, and possibly traumatizing.....but you know what's worse? Dying or your loved one dying.
I voluntarily went to a locked mental health hospital after a suicide attempt. Her story of the beds, the lack of things to do, and the loss of free will brought all that back. I've been inpatient and outpatient before (2016). I'm just in therapy now but she's right about it being traumatizing. I still remember it really well. Ambulances bring it back too. She's very brave to share her story.
When she hesitated saying problem and said issue instead
Unbelievably she actually looks healthier here. She's clearly extremely underweight but if you look at her recent videos she's literally a walking skeleton.
don't comment things like this. these kind of comments lead to relapse.
@@luna3delreyyou can’t relapse if you’re not in recovery
Very odd that there was no outpatient follow up. Usually facilities make sure that the patients are connected with an outpatient program and clinician before they leave
I CLICKED THIS SO FAST
I hope you love it!!! xoxo She has a lot of great things to share :) xoxo
MissSweetieShortie me too lol
yes! this is the best case scenario for eugenia. its so moving to see her talking to this woman whom i respect and admire. im so glad!!
I think this was hard for everyone involved. I’m not sure her friends even knew how traumatizing it would be. They were just trying to do what they thought was best for her. I hope she continues treatment and lives a long and healthy life! ♥️
Hope Gold they did it because they had no choice and KATI (a professional) told them to. Don’t demonise them for getting her help
@@hopegold883 if those friends didn't do that she wouldn't still be alive
Agreed, it is very hard for family and friends to know what to do. The disease makes it very difficult for the person to acknowledge their problem. Most people are not equipped to help someone this ill. She is still so in denial. She looked a minute away from dying. So sad.
@@JennRighter the point of the video was to allow Eugenia to recount her experience with 5150. Not to analyze or criticize her perspective of what took place. It's her telling her story from her point of view in this moment in time. And that's worth understanding. I'm sure Kati has made other videos discussing how mental illnesses can warp perception, but that wasn't the point here.
I don't get why Kati would suggest that if she knew how traumatising it could be
I really appreciate the way Kati brought up how she smiles when she talks about hard things. It was gentle but I do think Eugenia needs to understand that. Her front that she’s “fine” is tiring and dishonest. If Kati had asked her to say something without smiling I’m sure she’d have a hard time doing so without crying.
Might be traumatic but when you’re practically at deaths door, you can’t really wait to see a doctor in a couple of months.
When I was 15 I was also under an involuntary hold for a suicide attempt, but after the hold I went to a facility to get actual help and it was the best thing I’ve ever done. My point in sharing this is, don’t be scared to ask for and or get help. You’re loved.💕 Also I’m super proud of Eugenia!☺️
TJ Moore so glad you’re doing better!
Wow, what a beautiful person! Thank you so much for doing interviews like these, and for putting mental health out there in a way that is accessible and nonthreatening. You are doing so much to help end the stigma. Thanks for all you do! ♥️
She really is!!! And I am so glad you are enjoying the videos!!! xoxo
Kati Morton yes! ♥️♥️♥️
it’s so sad that she’s literally completely denying her eating disorder again. even after everything came out, she admitted to everything, the (not so great) shane dawson video is still available for everyone to see, and she’s still trying to say that’s just how she naturally looks. it’s so sad. i really want her to be able to recover, but just look at her streams… she doesn’t care.
Did the beginning say that 5150’s can end up being harmful? I really hope I saw that wrong because that would be so irresponsible to spread that kind of message. In this situation the friend most likely helped save eugenia’s life in doing that. They just called and the team did an evaluation and deemed her in need of a psych hold. It was good they did that.
Given how traumatizing it was for her to “get help” should tell you all you need to know about why she is resistant to seeking out help again… there are major flaws in our mental health care system. I pray for Eugenias true recovery on her terms and send her so much love ❤
Coming to this video now feels so surreal. When she came out of treatment I had so much hope for her. I truly truly hope she can recover. Come on Eugenia !! Please we are all rooting for you❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Her friends saved her life. She still clearly needs more help though, I hope she gets it (both for the ED and the trauma) x
She needs to go back to treatment....she was doing so well and it’s so sad 😞
Apparently smiling when talking about hard things is actually a sign of deep rooted aggression.
sparkling sequin ................yeah she's big mad........ i'm gonna honestly look this up now just to see if the person with such aggression feels it even if they're just smiling because they're nervous as hell
Yeah and her smiles never seem real in her videos. This one specificity. It’s more of a robotic clench. Maybe something she’s just picked up from spending time in front of her camera
that or a attempt to keep from crying
PLEASE reach out to Eugenia now! She needs you now more than ever! 💜