I didn't recover until my family got a kitten for my younger sister's 18th birthday. It sounds so stupid but I would just think, "this cat will love me even if I gain weight." And I was off to swing in the opposite direction! I was chunky for a time because I had literally starved myself for so so long, but I was happy. That kitten is now 6 years old and I probably owe her my life.
You remind me of a story I saw here in UA-cam, a girl that saved her life (she suffered an ED) because she loved a particular horse (she loved horses in general, but that one was special). I can't remember the channel sadly. I'm happy you are doing better now.
Isn’t it just wonderful what a pet’s love can do? 💕 I was in a really really bad point after a medical thing, and I remember how happy I was the day my dad took me to go pick up a kitten we were taking off of someone we knew because they couldn’t keep it. It was the first time after my particular incident I was like “Yeah... it’s gonna be better now I think”
If someone tells Eugenia she looks great, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. If someone gently and kindly tells her they are scared for her because they think she's in danger of dying, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. If someone is nasty and insulting and tells her she looks like a horrible, decaying skeleton, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. In other words any and all attention, negative or positive, cruel or kind, that anyone gives her, only serves to feed, sustain and strengthen the monster that is her eating disorder.
Or you could just not comment on her appearance at all. There's plenty of positive things that can be said to her that don't feed into her disorder. Ignore her appearance and don't speak about it. Those conversations about her eating disorder should be had between her and people close to her anyways not people online.
The money she's making is validating her eating disorder too, it's not just comments because you bearly see comments saying she looks beautiful. I haven't even seen one. She knows no one thinks she looks good but she keeps making videos. Who knows maybe she's being forced by someone, personally that's what I think.
@@laurenbray8314 like what exactly? idk but she doesn't do much. I genuinely don't know what else people would comment on, she's obviously not a good content creator, she doesn't have talent the only reason why people watch to understand what is happening and how she is doing unfortunately
@@F0URL34FCL0V3R No; simply "I hope you have a great weekend, Eugenia!" or "I like the flowers in the garden" or "What a pretty picture of the sunset" - it's not difficult.
I would respectfully suggest it's a little more complicated than that. Perhaps to carry on the analogy bringing the horse to the water might be necessary but not enough ie she needs more than just access to treatment in order to be able to make positive change.
Please no. People used this quote towards me with bipolar. This is really not a fair comment. We know how far gone Eugenia is but this comment is so cruel
It's reaaally not her fault that nobody in her cirlce cares enough to help her get admitted. No "dr", no family helps her. They can all do something about it. Since drs are mandatory reporters and have a duty of care to admit patients when they are in immediate danger. Luckily I got help out of my ep that made me so far gone. Someone stepped in. I'd be dead otherwise. I'm getting on going support since. She hasn't. People really have not supported her since her relapse.
@@lfairy6130 It's not comparable. Eugenia was helped. She was forcibly taken to a psychiatric holding facility, where she was then recommended to seek long-term care specific for EDs. It's unclear who facilitated her going to a long-term facility, whether it was her family or it was a mandate to set the permission for her release from the psychiatric hold, or, most unlikely, of her own choice, but that's regardless of the point. The point is she was in an ED-specific treatment facility for a month. She was given help. But it's clear that she was not ready to truly recover, as her relapse was quite immediate. At this point, there is nothing anyone can do. People have tried and tried and tried to help her. She does not want it.
It's true. Partially the only reason I managed to recover was because of the lack of comments and concern that I received. If I would've received so much attention for my eating disorder why would I ever recover? I'm getting all of this love and attention and concern, I suddenly matter. If I recover people won't care about me anymore.
I know that is really hard for you to go through and i understand it. Its like when reality starts to set in its scary and thats when some people recover. But just want to let you know its not as easy for people like eugenia... Shes in way too deep. I feel like people go way to far with the comments and reactions to eugenia. But i agree with everyone who has unsubscribed to her... Im not sure she will ever recover..
Exactly. And at the same time, the negative comments fuel the disorder by making her feel terrible and making her think she's not worth getting the help she needs.
Same here, if I'm being honest. My eating disorder came out of... a cry for help. I felt alone, lonely, lost (moving overseas multiple times contributed to these things) and I just felt that I needed someone, a parent, to notice my suffering, grab me by the shoulders, give me a hug, make me feel I'm actually loved, that I mean something to them, and to help me get through my struggles. I wasn't getting those things and I didn't know what to do so I tried to express my desperation on the outside by becoming scary thin to the point that my pain couldn't be ignored anymore. After I ended up in the hospital, very close to losing my life, I realized I would die from this eating disorder before actually getting the love and help I needed for what was happening deep down. Yes, I got some concern from well meaning friends or their parents and occasionally from family or teachers, etc. it was just never enough to fill the pain of the emptiness inside me, and it finally clicked that it never would. I knew I could not rely on anyone else's love or attention to help me, because I would literally die before that were to happen. And that's not to say "no one will ever really care about me or love me" because that was my mentality when I was at my worst in my eating disorder, but it was more of a switch in my mind about going about solving the deep rooted problems in a different way and turning my back on the belief that love from someone else will fix me. It was me taking responsibility for figuring out a new approach to my problems because the way I was currently trying to fix my problem was not going to ever work and I'd end up dying if I continued.
@@kmdn1 I really appreciate that you've shared this. Honestly even when you do receive love and attention from people it's never enough to actually fill that void that the eating disorder is occupying. As cheesy as it sounds you'll never feel loved until you start to love yourself. You're the only person who can help you and love you unconditionally and take you out of the pain you're in. You have to do this because you have someone who loves you. And that person is you.
@Black Light Ok I'm not sure how I've offended you. I was merely saying that both as someone who works in this area and has personal experience with EDs that I found this a very well balanced and truthful approach. Have a wonderful day
@@bella2004___ thank you Bella. It really bothers me when people throw around mental health buzz words when there are people who truly struggle. Eg. "Ah I'm so OCD because I keep my desk neat", or "you sound like a Narcissist".... The complexities of mental health involve a lot of daily struggles for both the person and the people in their lives. There is a reason it takes many years to specialise in this field. No that doesn't mean you need to be a Psychologist to have an interest in mental health or have an opinion, but misinformed people throwing around diagnoses etc. can cause a lot of harm.
A Friend of mine is as skinny as her (well almost but still a bmi of 16ish) and shes also living „perfectly fine“. As soon as she gets a cold shes on the verge of death though. And she sleeps 12 hours a day
@@ciuta3529 i dont think a body is capable of being that skinny but i could be wrong lmao. Eugi is propably at 12.9 since she once said shes tall and she used to follow an Account that was set on 40 kilos as the goal. 40 and 176 makes 12.9. but youre right thats still definitely lower than my friends bmi
Living organisms can be incredibly resilient, especially if they are trained into functioning a certain way over time. The problem is that the body become hyper-specialized to one environment. Her body can now survive in an insanely low-nutrient, low-calorie environment, but also probably now ONLY survive in an environment free of infectious disease, free of heat or cold stress, free of any sort of change to her bubble. If a regular body walks a balance beam as it maintains homeostasis then Eugenia is walking a spider silk-thin tightrope while balancing dishes on her hands and nose. If a fly lands on her it could be the end, and quickly.
It’s disgusting but I think Eugenia and her mother have found a perfect “sweet spot” to keep her alive yet, within her disorder. I’m sure mama has her tiny meals prepped and ready to go for her when she has to eat to stay alive.
Facts. There were people who denied healing because of their unbelief. He didn't force them to receive healing. Healing is something that could be done in those times. But now since he's died for us it had been done and all we have to do is take it
I think the only possible way she could ever recover is to unplug. It’s clearly so wrapped up in the ED for her. Like in addiction you need to avoid places and things. Social media is her places and things.
Very much so. Her family has benefitted so much and her only source of income revolves around it solely. I was told i was "mean" to say she needed to get off the internet this year by choice or she would be off because she's not around, to put it in as nice terms as i can. Just as in drug abuse, one has to want to get "clean" and change or "see the light".
@@marianamartins2417 the other choice is her not being alive. This is my last comment regarding her. EC has to want to change and get better to live another 5 years.
I truly think she can only recover off the internet but if that's the excuse... as far as income goes, she could move to a voice over format, she wouldn't be on camera and could still have income and interaction. That's not really why she isn't recovering though and we all know it.
@@michellecallahan9496 Was there ever any other talent that she exhibited on her channel, other than the attention for her looks? Maybe if people could demand that she do artwork to show, or something like that. Since she seems to have painted herself into a corner becoming famous for being dangerously mentally ill, and her family is dependent on her UA-cam income, and she feels like that's her only attraction to keep the views coming. She should be encouraged to just do ANYTHING different for content, than keeping attention on her body.
I feel like the Shane documentary about her kinda made it worse because she got more popular because of it and she was in recovery and she saw that people were worried so she stopped recovery to care and worry about her
ill never forget how the shane documentary opened eugenia up to drama/tea channels on YT. talking about her recovery and speculating about her. ill never forget rich lux saying "[eugenia] looks good she looks THICC"
@alison barker Holy shit someone said that... what an absolute dumbfuck. Shane's doc did so much harm to her, its unfathomable. Had she stayed away from the internet or even just kept to her own channel during that time- there is a possibility she would have actually fully gone through with recovery. At least quasi. Damn.
@@rachael7160 I mean my theory is that her environment at home isnt that good and going back into that toxicity encouraged and enabled her to continue. Shane also said and did things in this video that definitely could've hurt her progress and possibly set her back. However that's all speculation, we really don't know all the facts. I agree with you, though. Saying it's just an attention thing is ignorant and is harmful.
While i agree that Shane's documentary didn't help, i think the problem laid in her home life. Her friends had to force her into treatment, which her mother didn't actually want her to go to. If you hear Eugenia speak, she never actually believed she had a problem and the moment she got the opportunity, she quit treatment, and her parents backed her on it. So while Shane's documentary may have made the downward spiral faster, unfortunately, there were way too many things going against her anyway.
Shane’s doc glorified her lifestyle that is a direct result of her enablers and her mental illness. I felt Eugenia’s account of her rehabilitation attempt was insincere and she hoped people would then get off her back and let her do her thing. That girl is lonely and crying out for attention. Your commentary is brilliant and authoritative. Social media has inflamed EDs in all their forms so we do need more Govt support for dealing with the tragic results for people and their families.
There are still far too many people who think if they just say the magic words, they can get through to Eugenia. If they just word their comment in the "correct" way, or just use the right example, then maybe they can get a break through. These people fail to realise that every single trick in the book has been exhausted. Whatever clever idea they have has already been done literally thousands of times. Nothing that anybody says is going to get through to Eugenia. Not a single internet stranger can convince her to get help. Not one. I think that's incredibly hard for people to accept that there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. It's a tough pill to swallow.
I think this is why the situation is so upsetting for me, because I've been there in my personal life -- thinking that if I said and did things just right, bluntly put, my ex wouldn't want to die anymore. It took a lot of distance from that relationship and work on myself to understand that I wouldn't have been responsible for the worst-case scenario I was constantly working so hard to avoid. It is really hard to navigate and keep yourself emotionally intact when you want so badly for someone so sick to turn the corner.
You just wrote down what has been on my mind, i feel so basic, lol. I always hoped flr someone to day something that works. Thanks for make me aware of it all. Hugs!
I regret not watching this video sooner because like you said it is a hard pill to swallow & maybe by now I would've gotten it down. I only started following Eugenia recently after seeing some videos about her pop up on youtube home page but I started to see the pattern from seeing things from years ago & after her relapse. When I first saw Mia's video pop up I just wasn't ready to accept it, but I started coming around, but needed that extra push. Mia was blunt, but in a nice & understanding way so my sensitivity didn't get in the way of hearing what she had to say. Still a hard pillow to follow though.
Exactly! People want to white knight. "I'll be the one that ends up saving her." I think this really points to the wide reach of social media and how people are enmeshed unhealthily in it. Eugenia does not know her fans, she only knows them as a blanket of people. Her fans really think that if she "cares" about them she will get well for them. That is such an uninformed and naive mindset. This tells me - sadly - that most of them have no real knowledge of EDs. It's completely unfair of them to put her through that pressure. It isn't about her not caring. It's about an ED having control of her, just like it's in control of anyone who is deeply in their ED.
I think it's especially hard to see for people that have had an ED and recovered because they have personal experience with it and think they can give Eugenia some kind of "pointers" to help.
From 2011-2013 I went through the worst period of my ED, where I lost a ton of weight by restricting & purging. I was bone thin, & everyone in my life was terrified, and begging me to get help. My fiance told me everyone in his family were quietly asking him if I was actually terminally ill, I looked so sick. And yes, I LOVED IT. I basked in every ounce of worry I could wring out of family & friends. Being told I looked sick, bad, etc only reinforced my desire to continue looking like that. Eating disorders are a mindfu*k, even to those of us in them. ESPECIALLY to us, in fact.
If you could try to explain, why it is that people saying you look sick and ill was a good thing to you at he time? But also if people around you who care about you are worried for you and maybe even cry for you to get better (mom and dads especially) wouldn't you feel atleast a little bit guilty that you're making your loved ones hurt so much and worry so much for you? Like they might worry you're about to die but your ED is still thinking this whole situation is awesome and their worry is fantastic? I never quite understood that part when people explain about their ED. It seems kinda twisted like bad has turned to good, like you're feeding off other peoples bad emotions.
@@zebnemma I second this, I don't understand how the ED warps peoples minds "aw they care so much" from "wow, I'm really hurting everyone around me while hurting myself. I should take this seriously."
@@vivalaninathink of it in the similar vein as suicidal tendencies. Or depression, or other things like those. When you're suffering from those thoughts. Reason goes out the window and you're not all there. Especially if you're in a dark time. Of course you care about those around you but when you don't care about yourself and suddenly everyone is focusing on you. It can warp the mind. It can also be due to a cry for help. Wanting the attention, because you want help. Sometimes there's no reason or explanation to it. You don't recognize what's wrong until someone is able to show it to you and snap you back into reality. It's why therapy is incredibly important for these things. It can also be due to a desire for self harm. Basking in the fact you're hurting yourself because you hate yourself, makes the brain go all over thr places That's the best I can explain it but in thr video it's semi explained. The Eating disorder can cause these things and that's why it's so hard to get through to the person suffering
@@zebnemma If someone is suffering severely on the inside, people tend not to notice or show much concern, but they may care if it's visible physically. Suffering so much inside with no external acknowledgement of that suffering by anyone is unbearable- we are social animals and feeling the presence of something that nobody else seems to notice makes you second guess your own mind, so there is a strong incentive to externalise internal suffering. For example, a family member who never once cared about your depression may express concern towards you losing weight. Additionally, the idea of working so hard towards a goal that you ignore your own health and elicit concern from others is romanticised a lot in our culture, as is being generally skinny. It shows mastery of willpower and the ability to resist temptation, something valued in many cultures, including those with Christian religious influences in their history. So people expressing concern that you're going too far with a 'good thing' can be a source of pride rather than shame. The ED also makes you want to hear people express concern to validate that you're doing a 'good job' at losing weight. Lastly, it's not that people with EDs don't care that they are eliciting worry and distress in people. The ED and the internal pain is simply a stronger influence than the desire not to worry others. Someone with depression doesn't want to worry their friends and family, but they can't stop being depressed. It's the same thing. Just to note that I'm speaking specifically about why someone with an ED may be fuelled by worry and concern, not about all the motivations behind an ED generally. Also, not all people with EDs do enjoy worry and concern, this may just be part of the motivation if they do.
Right, I’m currently dealing with an eating disorder and lost 20 pounds 108 to 88. Recently my heart has been beating too slow because of my lack of food, and I had to go to the hospital because I passed out. I’m trying to recover, but every time someone says how thin I am or how much I’ve lost and it’s unhealthy, makes me happy. It’s horrible feeling this way because I know my health is deteriorating but I feel almost proud for being sick.
Really well explained. "You are not talking to Eugenia: you are talking to her eating disorder, and you're telling it it's doing a great job". Fundamentally, as someone who's never had anorexia, I think there are dimensions to it I'll never really understand wholly... but I don't need to with advice like that. Thank you x
@@littleone2136 yep, the latest videos seem to address the relapse in past tense. Hopefully! Dorian's vids are the only ones that really make me feel what it is like (I know hard drugs, goth scene etc but Ed is what my big sister's been struggling with for more than 15 years and Dorian's way of addressing them really hit home)
@@psychedlicsouljam1995 People aren't being "cruel and ignorant". You must be a new viewer of Eugenia's. We have pleaded, sympathized, and begged her for many years to get help. She laughs in our faces, as a rebuttal. It's disgusting.
@@samuelsprings7245 and you think that's the way to guide an anorexic to get help? Well yeh, then that is ignorance. I do get what you're saying and your frustration at EC but in the end whatever 1000s or even hundreds of thousands of people online tell you for however many years, it really comes down to her home support or lack thereof. Her family also deny she's ill, we don't know what other mental illness she may suffer plus the situation with UA-cam fuels her desire to stay the same I'm sure. So she's got a lot to battle with off her own back before she gets remotely near wanting help, or reaching out because it would be a mementos effort to just get around her family.
@@samuelsprings7245 Just as many people have shouted at her about how disgusting she is, about how she looks like she's going to die, about how triggering her appearance is, about how she ought to be ashamed of herself for targeting kids -- and the point here is that _none of it is getting through to her._ It stops at her disorder, i.e. her disordered thinking patterns. If you truly think she's laughing in your face, why on earth would you still watch her? Why wouldn't you just disengage and go somewhere else?
Another layer to the complexity of eugenias illness and recovery is that her illness is part of the reason why she is so popular on the internet and therefore, how she makes money. Why give up your ED when it makes you rich and it makes your family happy?
If she decided to recover and film her way to recovery, she would be just as popular. Maybe she would lose some of her most creepy fans, but she would gain others, people who are also trying to recover or are interested in supporting her on her way to health. For example I would watch her videos, at the moment I can't watch them, it's too depressing.
She'd be even more popular and would make more money if she recovered. She could be an amazing inspiration and hero to so many people. She could use her platform in such a positive way. 😢
these comments acting like people don't like to see a car crash way more than a success... sure if she recovered there'd be supportive people there for her but A LOT of the people watching her would lose interest. and i don't think she'd gain that many new fans.
I think the absolute best thing anyone could do for her is stop looking, stop watching, stop commenting and stop engaging. People passing comment when they know nothing about EDs is probably a big part of why she’s gotten to this point. It’s heartbreaking, but people need to accept that we can’t help someone who won’t accept help, there’s genuinely no way.
This! Exactly this! Praise, concern, abuse; the form the engagement comes in does not matter. When someone says, “wow, you look so good,” the ED hears it the same as someone saying either “you’re ill, you’re taking this too far, and I’m concerned” or “ew, you look terrible, you sick pile of bones.” To the ED, it all translates as, “what you’re doing is working. Keep going.” It is literally all the same to it. This is why social media is so dangerous for people with EDs. The internet lives for the spectacle, and the ED lives to provide one. All feedback is positive feedback to the monster that is an ED. When you cease engagement, you remove the reward for the unhealthy behavior. That’s when the real healing can begin.
It would likely take everyone on all the platforms she's on to report her to get her off of those platforms where she no longer gets the attention but it likely won't happen
cut the internet for her at all cost, ignore this manipultive human even if its hard to ignore. people called her out tried either way nice or bad, she ignores us so we should start ignore her aswell. hope people will actually learn watching her will feed her illness more. but since people keep watching her and paying her bills, she doesnt need to change at all. i just wait to the day she wont post anything anymore, that date people wake maybe up and save their own life. i might sound cruel and nasty, but lt her die if she wants to. the drama about her is annoying and she even loves the drama. people here are stupid.
I think the best thing to do would be for everyone to stop commenting about her body and instead comment on the actual content of her videos. By which I mean the shoes, the makeup, the clothes, not the way the clothes look on her or how she looks in them. I think that way she could still have her connection, but it wouldn't feed the disorder. And the same thing goes for all the videos about her (this one not included because it's actually helpful!), the reddit pages where people analyse her every move, all the people coming to her streams to make insensitive and unhelpful comments etc. But I don't think this will ever happen, unfortunately. Some people really seem to use her as some sort of outlet for their emotions. I think those people do a lot of harm and won't stop until they take a look at themselves instead of focusing on her.
I've had the idea that if we could get a ton of people to redirect her live streams, so people specifically DO NOT ask about food or E.D. or anything, and ask her to show us things like her stuffies and room decor, ask her about games she is playing and stuff, maybe it would be a positive redirection. However, I think that not only would her mods put a stop to it, but it's an unfair ask to have people spending their money/bits to constantly redirect the conversation.
Another thing I see people saying a lot is stuff like, “It’s amazing what the human body can endure!”, “how can she even stand for that long?”, “How does she stream for eight hours without a single sip of water?!” And I cringe every time because I know she is just loving every word. They are disgusted and horrified by what they see, but all she hears is “Wow! I’m so thin people can’t believe I’m alive! Wow, I’m so special that I can actually dance and stream and shop at this weight without consequences and everyone is so impressed!” But you can not live at that weight. The human body is not that resilient. It is not impressive, because every day she goes in this state is another day closer to death. It’s not her conquering her limitations. It’s her pushing them to their limit. That’s all. Her body and mind is on the brink and struggling with every movement. It’s showing more now that she’s aging. She looks ten years older than she is. She’s lost the magical vitality that comes with youth and can carry your body through all kinds of abuse. She can not go in like this, but like you said, there isn’t a thing anyone can do.
It's like giving a drug addict their drug of choice over and over and expecting them to recover. It's just in her case, her drug of choice is the concern over her appearance and well-being.
As someone recovering from addiction, this is perfectly said and helped me see Eugenia’s situation in a new light. Whilst recovering I have been consistently been around/offered the drug of choice, and I’m lucky to have *such* a will to recover that when I inevitably did slip, the slip was small and I was able to pull myself back again swiftly. A lot of people fighting addiction would have completely relapsed in my current situation, and I wouldn’t blame them. It’s like she said, you have to REALLY want recovery, even when it’s hard, even when it’s the most painful thing you could imagine, and this applies to recovering from anything that has such a great hold on a person.
Well she leaves the comments on for a reason. If the “haters” as she calls them hurt her feelings so bad, she would’ve disabled them…she secretly like them, you’re right!! 🤔
She will not recover because her “support system” isn’t supportive. Her mother only cares about the money her daughter brings in. I don’t see a way she’s not going to die soon.
You are so right..as a recovered anorexic and bulimic I couldn't agree with you more. When I was going through it all, and I was very very sick, all I ever wanted to hear was how skinny and sick I looked .. the more I was told the more I wanted to get skinnier.. it completely fed my disorders and people who thought they were helping me actually helped me to wanna lose more weight.. NOT giving her or the disorder the "your so skinny" or "you look so sick", etc. comments is helping more than anything...
That's the tragedy here, she's addicted to attention and what could help her is to not get any attention at all. But because she's a content creator, she's being fed a lot of it. Even those situations where she flashed viewers, this is her attention addiction progressing - she's desensitized to "normal" attention, so she does things to provoke more of it, or more intense version of it.
Yeah... my girlfriend has an ED and i have no idea how to help her (:) it’s okay! She's self aware and helps herself and wants to get better. But it’s so scary hearing her talk about her own body in such a... clouded, delusional way) I have no idea how I’m supposed to help
Wow. This released me from a lot angst regarding Eugenia....our brains r driven to solve. My attention will now be directed towards those seeking recovery! Thk u! This was so informative.
She doesn't just have the ED. The way she dresses and changing of her voice. The need to be more like a child then an adult. Inability to maintain romantic/personal relationships. I really think if she spoke about her trauma this would help a lot of people.
You assume shes conscious of these things. It may be a trauma response, it may be something else. It doesn't necessarily mean she's aware of what she's doing. Like it could be an unconscious reaction. Also she doesn't owe anyone her trauma. If she has something that's a wildly personal thing to talk about. The fact that she couldn't even say she had a problem before, like couldn't even say the words shows us all that she would probably never speak about anything publicly. She's so engulfed in whatever is taken control of her, it's unlikely anyone but her family or therapists will ever hear about it and that's completely ok. It's her right. That's also a lot of pressure to put on someone who's already under pressure.
I always thought she was a childhood survivor of S A. That being said, she has made a career of being on deaths door. Why would she want to get better? Hell, why would her mom want her to get better? That is how they make their money. She wouldn't be anything special if she wasn't a living skeleton.
her Twitter replies are FILLED with people angrily screaming at her, calling her nasty names and over scrutinizing and over analyzing every single word or movement she makes. They believe they're so in the right, they can't even see the damage they're doing. They can't see they're part of the problem as to why she's not seeking recovery.
Agree. I believe they are either ED sufferers or dysfunctional ppl for other reasons. To get angry at someone on SM for their disorder is totally effed up.
@@zxyatiywariii8 Unfortunately lately I've seen some troll/evil accounts telling her "you look fat, lose some weight, gross", "you gained weight, stop eating", "i hope she d!es" and comments of the same caliber... so messed up... people are so cruel...
GaclynGlenn and her other friends were probably the only ones who got even remotely close to actually helping her, but sadly that’d didn’t work either.
I actually think what Jaclyn did caused trauma for Eugenia and made her even more terrified of getting help again. I don't think Jaclyn was close enough to Eugenia to be the one to do a intervention. Now she's terrified of being forced into recovery and going back to a psych ward. People can say her being traumatized by it is ridiculous all they want but it doesn't change the reality of it. Its quite obvious it was a traumatic experience to her to the point she starts crying when she talks about it. Not good. Also Jaclyn making all that information public online was NOT okay. That's nobodies business and it wasnt helpful. It fueled more stress for Eugenia than anything else.
@@laurenbray8314 More to that story and JG got ran over and EC blaming everyone for her bad life choices. They also degraded homeless ppl doing so. EC need to get over the fact she is no better than poor ppl. Yes, she has some issues outside the ed.Way she views self her internet fame so young. She only got better for a blink of an eye ever due to that. So no. Outside that she might be dead already. Headed back out of spite. Inner lil devil in her...imma show you guys... comes with a high. So like a drug addict where they are clean for a moment then crave the high. Fall back into everything. JG an many others stated the environment will cause it. Sure enough. Seems that home life has more issues than we know many family members can be a number of things. Only be speculations. But she still lives with them she is an adult still can't drive. no control. Idk if self caused or family thing.
@@leosuniverse You don't know what her experience was at that psych ward. Like so many others, you negate the validity of her experience and opinion. This was never about "poor people." The classism problem that ppl have with Eugenia is gross and has nothing to do with her disorder.
I agree. I've attended many ED groups and I've never seen someone as bad as her. I think she's too far gone into her disorder and can't be saved. She doesn't want to get better and is "happy" being the way she is. Any pleas for her to seek help is pointless.
@@spinachme0 just wondering what the point of sharing something like this is?? It's not gonna help her, and it's definitely not gonna help anyone who looks it up, so what's your reasoning here?
And horrible as it is to say…Eugenia is nearing 30, and while she is still young the body can take a lot more damage in your teens and early 20s than it can after, and considering how awful her illness is…I don’t even think recovery would be possible, I think she’s done too much damage at this point. I don’t know for certain, I’m not a doctor, but that’s my concern
Finally, a video about her that is dropping FACTS. This shouldn't be touched by most people. It's too delicate of a situation. I have personal experience and I know all too well how devastating "well meaning" can be. I too though, cannot imagine the whole public internet figure, w/ hate comments, etc., would have been like on top of all that...
I’ve always thought it was weird how people make EDs a moral issue… when I was at my worst people said a lot of things like “you have to get better!!” too… the way people are so angry and aggressive toward her is so weird to me… you don’t *care*, you’re just bothered because you don’t understand or can’t control her or something…
yeah stop being concerned about her, i just wait till shes finally dead. it helps thousands of people here and the drama finally will stop. and money is saved aswell. I sound nasty and cruel, but dont spit oil while the pan is hot. have a good day u eugenia supporters.
@@newyoutubeaccount2023 if u say so, but these people should be disowned and forced. we here in europe call them psych sick people thats needs medic help. idk where u live lol but living like euginia and showing it off is disgusting and not even near of respecting.
I think as far as people getting triggered by her, you can unfollow and ignore her content but UA-cam still pushes it up into the trending and recommended videos so that's a huge issue
You can block her and it won't show. The real problem is so many people have created channels just to repost her content....and they are going viral. Not to mention all of the drama channels who have to get in on the action even tho they don't add anything new to the discussion. Its scary how some people place all of the blame on her when really a lot of the responsibility falls on us (and youtube of course). I know I am guilty of clicking the livestream reuploads and adding to the algorithm.
I've always said we need to stop analysing and talking about it to her but I've never been able to explain why. This video is fantastic thank you for this I really love the echo metaphor ❤🌙 I recovered from my more brief ed AN with no treatment but I can say that during the time people started commenting or offering food I got worse because I was already scared and unsure why I was doing what I was and I have no idea why I reacted by getting worse I just did. But once the world quietened my world became clear and at some point I could think again and had a brief moment where I saw myself and what was happening and from then on I started recovering myself. I think the first thing we should do is STOP talking to her about it. Then if needs be we can attempt deplatforms etc but I think the comments (I'm also guilty a couple times) are the worst thing rn. But people are not willing to not comment and bring it up to her partly for drama partly for hero complex or fear of doing nothing.
Finally, a video about Eugenia that speaks the truth. I love how clearly you've made your point, and the poignant quality of her case. You obviously are a very knowledgeable and sensible person. Thank you for taking the time to record this.
Im not sure she CAN recover, the damage to her body and heart could be irreversible at this point, if she's going to gain weight now her heart could just fail. The body knows how to adapt to survive, it took her about 10 years to get to that stage where her body "learned" how to survive...if she "recovers" too quickly it might kill her. I also have a terrible example, holocausts victims died from eating after being severely starved, the food tore their spider-web thin intestines. Karen Carpenter died shortly after she gained back some weight to recover. This is a tragedy, I do wish her well, she deserves better...but I can't see light at the end of this tunnel...
I love your point about the blame being put on eugenia. Us mentally unstable people will always find ways to hurt ourselves and trigger our own disorders. Eugenia is a loner, like myself who stays inside all day in her small room. Does taking away a young womans access to social media really help her? Even in treatment you still get some minimal access to social media and stuff. Dont even get me started on the double standards between anorexia vs obesity because its obvious.
To see a mother be perfectly fine and content with knowing her daughter will die way before her, makes me so angry I think very dark thoughts of Deb Cooney.
Hi Mia, I understand what you're saying, and thank you for sharing your expertise. I am myself recovered from +10 years of restrictive anorex1a (typed like this in case youtube filters my comment). There is something I disagree with you on, and it is that in a case of extreme emaciation like hers (and like mine was), it's not realistic to expect the person to be proactive and decide to get help. At this point I don't think it's realistic at all. She's too far gone into her numbers game, into her extreme bodychecking, into her thinking this gives her superhuman control and trying to prove everyone wrong. I was forced into the hospital 3 different times at Eugenia's size and that saved my life at that moment, and so that allowed me to have more time and do more reflection. If she's not forced into recovery again, she will pass away before any recovery thought starts to click. I was taught by my therapists that in anorex1c patients who come in with such low BMI the very first thing to be done is to weight restore just a little bit first so that they're pretty confident that the person is going to make it, and only then they begin therapy. I don't think she's ever going to get better if that step isn't done first, as she's just not going to survive much longer. Yes, it is a traumatic process, but it would save her life again, as it saved mine. Took me 3 attempts, but here I am today, recovered. Still with some feelings of betrayal by my family who didn't even try to talk to me about it and just grabbed me and put me in the car. But that saved my life. And that is what I'm positive saved Eugenia's life two years ago. Maybe if it were done again it would click this time. Who knows.
I'm obviously not Mia, and I could be wrong, but I don't walk away from this thinking you two disagree that the extreme scenarios are more likely here than Eugenia being proactive. I think the point is that trying to make her aware of any of this in the hopes of getting her to be proactive will only feed her current patterns. Also, for what it's worth, if she does go through that process again, people need to really take that last paragraph to heart -- that the process is traumatic and Eugenia may walk away from it without gratitude for the people who made that choice for her. The response I saw last time was very angry at and judgmental of her; there was a lot of disbelief that she wasn't grateful and dismissal of her trauma.
I don't think reddit threads & youtube comments will get eugenia into the hospital though. you said your family intervened but I don't think she has that support system.
I completely agree. Weight restoration is an important element because the brain is not able to think rationally when the body is in a state of severe under nutrition. People saying that she has to want to get better before she can recover maybe don’t understand that the vast majority of people with an ED never want to recover.
her entire family just supports her killing herself because they're making money off her suffering it's sad that she has no one willing to make those decisions when she can't
I wish people would understand that internet harassment, which is what these people are doing, doesn't help it makes it worse. I don't understand her situation, but I do know that sending her hate online won't make it better. Most of the people leaving comments are like those who fat shame and claim that they are doing it for the health of the victim. They just want to justify what they know is wrong. There are studies that show that fat shaming hurts people more than it's ever helped them the same is true here.
her comment sections on Twitter and UA-cam are a disaster. Full of people insulting her and saying horrible things to her, over analyzing everything she says or does but claiming they're doing it for "saving the kids who watch her". They're actually doing so much damage... maybe if we show them this video, they'll start to understand the damage they're doing?
THIS. I’ve had AN for 12 years at this point and have only made real recovery progress in the last 2. The interventions, inspirational/desperate speeches, pleas to recover either made me paranoid and overwhelmed or led to my illness being so proud of me for finally reaching a point of raising concern. There’s nothing people can say to get through to her unless she wants to hear it. I think people are actively harming her more than if they’d do nothing. Plus, I can’t be the only one who feels like the millions of us with EDs who aren’t Eugenia are becoming invisible and unheard in comparison. It reinforces to those of us suffering that we have to visibly represent our mental hell to be worthy of concern (though we only need our own validation!) and I think that’s toxic. Rant over, tldr you are doing the lords work with this video 😂🖤
This is why I look up to you so much and continue to watch your videos, even after being recovered for years now. You are so eloquent and nuanced, but also get the complexities of dealing with an eating disorder/ caring about someone with an eating disorder. You can't do the work for them, but you can cheer them on and learn about the intricacies of this mental illness and how to approach those loved ones when they are trying to recover. You are a big inspiration to me and helped me tremendously when life felt unbearable. Keep doing what you do best, Mia! You're amazing!
Honestly, when I first clicked on this video, I thought it was going to be another long rant about how "evil" she is but I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for your take.
same, I didn't click on it because I was tired of the dog-piling and lack of perspective from all the other channels. I'm glad I did and i hope this video goes viral so it can have some sort of impact.
She is NOT evil by any measure, She’s got. A real disease. It’s what going on in her inner world she’s try on h to avoid. The inner conflict is almost impossible to heal and reconcile.
Not to be a “boundary stepper, ” so to speak, for this is pure sarcasm and not to be taken seriously; I, however, quite literally, could kiss you for posting this and saying the things that you did, especially since this has been prominently on my mind whenever I come across the wide range of content getting made on this subject matter, specifically the content that has quickly shifted from “I want to help/bring awareness” to blatant shame, ridicule, hostility, and vilifying her, simply because Eugenia, or her ED, rather, which, as you said, is something that people are missing, was not operating around other people’s expectations of what should be the critical factor or “appropriate amount of attention or unsolicited help” that would cause Eugenia to get the help she needs, as if that is, in any fathomable way, how ED’s work. I could probably be more specific or concise about what particular type of content that I referenced is, precisely; I, however, think that the way I put it is enough to get the bigger picture of how counterproductive a significant amount of people have been with their actions, reactions, and methods of “helping” Eugenia. I, myself, am someone who struggled with an ED in my past, who continues to battle self-image-related troubles as far as being entirely happy, content, and satisfied with my physical appearance; binging and purging, on the other hand, are luckily no longer a force of fixation or a carried out action in my life. I'm also someone vastly dual-diagnosed with several different mental health diagnoses, as well as someone who is recovering from the disease of addiction at that. Whenever I would come across the specific ways that certain people were choosing to navigate or handle this situation, I couldn't help but not only think of pretty much everything that you touched on but also relate ED’s a lot to the disease of addiction with how complex, complicated, powerful, and deadly the two are and how the things that most people would consider to be “no brainer” solutions or even what seems like the logical, rational, and most sensible actions to take, essentially, hold no merit and should be, in many ways, thrown out the window when handling someone battling an ED or the disease of addiction, for logic and rationality, are rarely found when their illness fully encapsulates that person. I think the thing that shocked me the most, although I wouldn't say that I was legitimately shocked, is the number of people who expressed that they too struggled with an ED in their lives but yet, were actively co-signing and supporting the detrimental, counterproductive, or adverse actions that other creators were exhibiting towards Eugenia, which only solidified my stance, even further, that people, in general, including those who have struggled with any given illness or diagnosis, do not adequately understand that issue nor do they possess the necessary knowledge, information, awareness, etc., needed to best help someone else struggling with said issue. It is so common nowadays for people to wholeheartedly believe that they possess the answers or acquire all of the information or experience possible and know what to do and how to do it; if someone does the opposite, however, well, if I use the consensus of how people today react as an example, then chances are that person, who is under the societal microscope, will get torn to shreds by the mob of self-appointed and self-established doctors, psychiatrists, etc., who have everything figured out. There are people out there who have extensive experience and knowledge of specific issues that the “average person,” so to speak, who has battled the same problems, has not had the opportunity, or it was not their journey, to obtain; those people, however, are not heavily seen amongst those on the outside looking in. If anything, those people are the lesser denominator amongst those commonly commenting on situations or circumstances like this. Again, thank you for speaking up in the way that you did! 👏🏽
I have commented before on your videos on how I don't have an eating disorder myself but watch your content to know how to better help my patients in my work as a community pharmacist in Queensland. Today though I think I needed to hear this message for me, I've been struggling with my own mental health recently and I think what you said is an important point. You can have all the treatment in the world but you need to be willing to put in the work to help better yourself. So thank you Mia xo
@ Isabel Taylor MONEY! as simple as that, is disgusting and disturbing but is the world that we live now days… these platforms only care about money, this has gone too far? at this point is obvious that they don’t care about the harm of her content can cause yo her audience,
I’m a mental health worker and don’t necessarily work with people who have specific eating disorders. I however really appreciated this because it helped educate me more. You were very articulate and thank you for what you do. Indeed the funding here in Canada is atrocious as well.
There are conspiracy theories that people with fetishes are paying her to perform certain actions on her twitch. There’s one where she gets paid every time she moves her makeup box. She even announces every time she’s going to lift it. If those theories are true, that’s very sad.
Honestly, I believe this, there is an community that takes pics of drasticly underweight people cause they fetishizes the way they look. So the lifting thing could be legit.
When I was in highschool I used my classmates as thinspo. The bigger ones were a warning, the few that were slimmer were my goals. Absolutelty true about the triggers and wanting to be triggered.
One of my friends back in high school used to tell my sister and I that she felt so jealous at how thin we were. I found out years later that she'd been bulimic and we had no idea.
The best video on a Eugenia situation.For me she is the lost cause,either she will be lucky and her body will endure all the damage or unfortunately she dies.And don’t get me wrong but people are so worried about her because she is pretty and famous.Millions of people in the world suffer from eating disorder and nobody cares , children in Africa starving,Or people suffer in silence because there is not enough facilities.The world is just so cruel.
@@chantellea9938 Yes this is my opinion I might be wrong my point was that people are not worried about millions of people who they don’t know and they die every day from ED, plus like I mentioned they are not worried about hungry children dog maybe I put it in the wrong words I meant because she is exposed on the internet and people know her so the concentrated on the one person
@@magalufff Well, people are actually concerned for the children watching Cooney's videos. There are many documented cases (mainly on youtube, and on screenshots from here media's comments) of little girls fantasizing her body to the point where it can become a cause for developping EDs. I'm myself someone who stopped smoking cigarettes. I know it isnot the same, but the psychological factor of quitting nicotine and recovering from an ED has ressemblances. What I learned from my recovery is that people shaming you aren't helping at all. I was very ashamed of smoking, and hid myself to do it. Super anxious, knowing it was bad, but kept doing it. What helped me? My friend who knew the difficulty, and helped me without judging me in my tens of relapses. Now my point is: if you get actual help from people, and that you deny it, is because you don't want to get helped. People forced her in rehab, and as soon as she was out, she relapsed. People with genuine concern, trying to help her get rejected or simply responded with :"I'm fine, don't worry". A person in denial can't be forced to change their habits. It doesn't work. The first step for recovery is accepting that you have a problem. She relapsed because she doesn't think that she has a problem. That's denial. She violated the first step to recovery. Unfortunately, people in denial start thinking straight (generally) only until it's too late, in her case, when she'll be on a hospital bed breathing with a tube. In that case, the only positive thing that we the people should do is remove her from the internet and her enablers. Live, she doesn't need to work, eat, move etc, because she has an audience that gives her thousands a week. That's enabling. She's famous because of her ED. People go to see her to either shame her, look if she's still alive, try to help her, or, the worst, to fetishize her. Every member of her audience (well at least the majority) are enablers. They enable her denial and ED. Not only she is hurting herself without really knowing it, or admitting it, but she's also hurting her young audience, conducting them to EDs. I'm against cancelling, but she's dangerous to little girls (and maybe boys) with her denial and body checking.
You have to be strong to get through this life, and understand that unless YOU take charge of YOUR life, you will not make it. She's 26, yet seems like a child. I believe whatever happened with her to begin with, caused her to stop maturing and that she is stuck around the age her issues started. Only Eugenia can save Eugenia. Sad but true.
WHAT?!? Your content is demonetized?!? WHY?!? Does UA-cam hate information?!? Also- congratulations on your own recovery and your work with those at risk and, finally, your cogent, sensitive explanation of eating disorders and then Eugenia in particular.
You are absolutely right about how anorexia works. Good job making people aware. I’m 57 years old and struggled with anorexia in High School and College. To this day I struggle with body image challenges.
I realize there is no help for her. I am concerned about the children watching her chanel. Just today, I've seen children ranging from 11 to 17 that can trace their eating disorders to watching her.
I understand the concern, kids are very susceptible after all. I do think though, that even if EC was removed from any platform, those individuals will still look for other places to find triggers. I've seen many many proana Twitter accounts, full of Bonespo and Thinspo threads, with hundreds, if not thousands of likes and retweets. Some of these accounts have thousands of followers, too. I think Mia is right, the only good way to help Eugenia is to stop engaging altogether. No comments, no views, no sweet messages of encouragement and care, or comments explaining to her how damaging her videos are, because unfortunately none of this is helping at all, none of this is making any difference. It's actually making the whole situation worse. I apologize for the long message, I hope I didn't come across as rude or disrespectful in any way. Stay safe and take care.
@@NeneChan203 I think y’all are both right, and that’s what makes it so difficult for me to decide where I land on this issue... some people actively seek out thinspo in other ways, and for those people, deplatforming won’t help. But I also think that due to her popularity, a lot of young people start the eating disorder because of her channel. Maybe she’s their only source of thinspo, or maybe they look elsewhere as their disorder progresses, but it doesn’t take away from the idea that Eugenia was the instigator. Maybe those people would’ve gone down that track regardless of whether or not they had watched a Eugenia video, or maybe not. How do you decide what’s best when you can’t get the information you need to make the best choice?
@@maggiewebber8220 She has not caused any eating disorders. That's not how they work. They begin within the person who gets the ED; she can INFLUENCE, she cannot GIVE anyone an ED.
@@kleptoclouds6117 I never said she GAVE the ED to them. I said people likely started their eating disorder because of her channel. Emphasis on “started.” It’s a very real phenomenon that there are triggering events for an ED. I also elaborated saying that she is an instigator. Again, doesn’t mean she’s the sole reason- just means she contributes to a large degree for some people
I remember when people told me I needed to eat and I looked sick and they could see my spine. I'd laugh. I thought they were jealous. I had no idea what I actually looked like. When I look back now and see it makes me sick honestly. It took me getting severely sick and not being able to feel my face and body and being nearly bedridden with my entire stomach lining erroded away for me to understand.
This sounds so much like addiction. You cannot force a person to become sober, they have to want it. And they have to have a strong support system. Often their are comorbidities like depression or abuse.
This is the only commentary on EC that should matter on YT right now. This is an educated individual with lived experience. Wow. Thank you for this insight.
Perfectly said! It’s frustrated me so much that so many have had such an unhelpful and damaging discourse regarding Eugenia for years. Your perspective is so important for people to hear.
Perfectly stated. Eating disorders are heartbreaking and I hope there is a way to do like you say and channel the compassion for her into systemic progress.
You said this so well. Yeah, I almost died at 21 from anorexia and I think its pretty obvious that eugenia has been completely hijacked by ana by now and there's no way to get her back... unless she hits her 🪨 bottom, nothing is gonna change. I hit my rock bottom when I started seizing on my back porch all alone at midnight on my birthday. I had multiple concussions from the seizures that I wasn't aware I was going to have. It happened JUST LIKE THAT. I do hope the best for the girl, but the future looks bleak
Thank you for making this video. I am shocked and saddened that there is only 1 residential center in your part of the world. Thank you for fighting to get it opened. I have a complex eating disorder history, and my adult daughter is acutely ill with ARFID. I've never ever seen anything as mysterious as ARFID. I live in a major city in America that has multiple resources and residential centers, but none of the centers will take her. There isn't even an OT for her. Her eating disorder therapist, regular therapist, and psychiatrist are doing their best. Our family is also doing our best. Even with everything going for people, it is still a fight for life. Thank you for educating people and sharing your expertise. I appreciate you.
Tbh at this point I feel like the "fans" that keep watching her videos and commenting her that they're "concern" about her, that she's hurting herself, that she needs help, that she's beautiful and all that stuff, are saying that stuff just because they can't stop their morbid curiosity of witnessing when she's going to get worse. At this points there are TONS of videos informing that those kind of things only keep her doing bad things, and people keep doing that deliberately. I'm startin g to feel they're doing it on purpose cause we all know that those things don't help her and just make her situation worse :/
The platforms should not allow her to post anything. They are the true problems by condoning her behavior. Her not being allowed to flaunt it would be the first step toward any chance of recovery.
This just reinforces the message I left as a mental health therapist & nurse that people should for her best interests, not the eating disorders, unsubscribe & not leave any comments; simple as the ED doesn't get fed like it has done for the past ten years if you'll pardon the phrasing! I went through this living hell for nearly 20 years myself. My opinion is not in a way derogatory way but to unsubscribe; at her bmi she's lucky to be alive & worked in this industry now for 10 years, she doesn't have time on her side. Get back to social media once you're well into recovery; she could even utilise the platform to help other people.
Re: the "That's what eating disorders do" comment, maybe since she has been online since around her ED started, the online community is just an extension of her disorder for her now with the constant criticism/ analyzing etc
Eugenia can't be saved ...but we acknowledge how she is also being protected by the very people who own these platforms. Eugenias spaces are heavily monitored and filtered ,especially her twitch. A women can post a photo of herself in a bikini and be banned however Eugenia is left alone. If you say anything involving the way she looks, even from a place of genuine concern you're kicked out her chats. Thousands of cries from people who really do love her to the CEOs and establishments have went ignored for years. I totally understand the meaning of this video but when you have someone who's being protected and enabled from the top....If the people that are running the show don't see an issue and have excepted this as content then why would Eugenia ever think she's got a problem?. The people who really do have the power are allowing this to continue to avoid litigations and losing money. Eugenia is a protected member of social media and as long as that continues she's comfortable where she is
Ummmmm I'm sorry but do you really think big CEOs for twitch and UA-cam really have the time to think about protecting Eugenia cooney? Shes the LAST thing people like that think about. Heck shes probably not even on the LIST of things, they think about. Come on. If a anything it's her mods.
The only one who can save her, and any of us broken sinners, is Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can save us from our sins and heal us from the sins done unto us. The Biblical Gospel is the only message in this world that can truly change us and make us new.
One of my daughters has a heroin addiction I can’t save her unless she wants help . This Ed disorder is the same thing. I recovered from ED years ago after suffering with it for 20 years I met a recovered ED person and she looked great and I wanted to get better and stop looking like a skeleton something just clicked in my head and I recovered. I do suffer from OCD and must do 10 k steps a day but at least that’s a healthy habit….There was no UA-cam back then …. I’m guilty of doing a message video to Eugenia months ago it didn’t help just like I can’t help my own daughter. This was a great video and everything your saying is true. Ty for doing this…..
@Sophie Howard well I know my ocd is related to ED but at least walking 10 k steps Monday to Friday is better than what I use to do…… this sickness is surely a mental disorder ….
@@wolfgangproductions7402 Heroin is nontoxic.. all the problems from heroin are due to its illegality.. If an addict is supplied a good clean affordable supply they can live a normal life with no health problems... I'm a 39 year old heroin addict, I have been using drugs daily since the mid 90s and I have all my health and work full time.
Ever since I heard about Eugenias situation, I've been thinking about how influencer culture is almost tailor made for eating disorders. Thank you for putting it into words and validating my thoughts!
Thanks for this video. I was just thinking about all this yesterday; I've seen Creepshow Art brought up a lot the last week or two, and my only context for them is someone recommending their Eugenia videos, so those feelings have been bubbling up again. I don't deal with an eating disorder, so I can't speak to the specific ins and outs of eating disorder recovery, but I do absolutely know from (ongoing) experience with other mental health issues that _you_ have to be the driver of your own change. Other people can be there, but they can't do it all for you. I hope framing it in these more blunt terms -- you aren't helping, talking about her and to her like this only affirms her eating disorder, everyone can recover but not everyone will -- will get some people to understand and back off. Especially the people I saw playing sleuth back in the day, and who may well still be around; people sharing timestamps and angle comparisons and speculation as if there's a code to crack that will lift her out of her disorder and her bad support system, as if this is a fictional narrative where a final twist in the darkest hour makes everything turn out ok, and not real life where we are all complete strangers to her with no say over her mind and body.
You made SO many good points. I'm still struggling with my ED, and I found myself nodding and agreeing with you on just about everything. Thank you for this.
I started to recover because I didn't want to be admitted to hospital. I relapsed a few months in and my mental health in general went downhill, and ended up being hospitalized because I became a danger to others ( I was also a danger to myself but MH services don't care about that) I learned to play chess in hospital and eventually I had a choice - keep playing chess and recover from your ED, or keep losing weight and quit chess because you lose the energy. I chose to keep playing chess.
I'm convinced these people bother to leave that type of comment under her every video just to feel better about themselves tbh. No one actually thinks she's going to recover cause she read YOUR comment out of the millions she gets daily. Right?
Thank you for your feed back. I wish there was some way we could encourage her gently without feeding the disorder. Her You tube channel is monatized and probably others channels she has. You tube popped up with her videos. This video of yours popped up and I watched to see if there was something we could do to encourage her carefully in the direction to recover Until she see it herself and takes the step in that direction there is really nothing to be said. Thank you for taking the time to answer questions and giving us insight. I am do glad you were able to find your way out of it and helping other to find their way to safety. Hope Thanksgiving and Christmas of 2023 finds you and your Family healthy and happy. Happy New Year 2024
So well said. People are doing the exact opposite of being helpful towards her. There's a lot of plain old bullying and hatred mixed in there as well. I keep trying to explain this to people but they think they know better.
There are no eating disorder clinics near me. Ive struggled my whole life with both anorexia and bulimia.. I agree 100% that if you have time to make videos and comments and posts and blogs then you most definitely have the time to help your own community and real work that will change peoples lives.
As someone who last year regularly visited the subreddit, this was a very well thought and made video, I applaud Mia once again. She shows both empathy and intelligence at the same time. At this point, I do wonder if physically restoring her body weight would at least buy her some time. (TW suicide, hidden I hope by the length of the comment) If I were to jump from a roof by my own will, they would not "respect" my wish to end it all. They would try their best to save me and try to make me change my mind. They might not be successful, but they would try. That's why to me it's so frustrating to see Eugenia go down that path to fame in front of a lot of young viewers. It's unfair to her, and it might give someone the idea to try to become famous by her same method, especially if that hypothetical person already struggled with an ED.
The best way to help her is to take her off of UA-cam, Twitch, or whatever platforms she streams on because people with eating disorders love attention. Like you said in this video, whether people are saying negative or positive things about her disorder feed off of that attention. I also believe taking her out of her home and placing her in medical care would be very helpful because from what I've seen her mother does nothing to discourage her from her unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. But the issue is that both of these things are choices she has to make. We can't help her.
Thank you. This is a heartbreakingly beautiful video. I needed to watch this. I feel so bad for EC. Thank you for giving this perspective. It's a very healthy stance to put our energy into creating systemic change about EDs.
As someone who is currently suffering from an anorexia relapse, this is really insightful to watch. I think everyone’s situation is very different but overall it tends to be a control and trauma response mechanism, either conscious or subconscious. I think it’s so hard to overcome because it’s a response to subconscious issues. In terms of Eugenia’s situation, we will never know the truth but the thing that is so disturbing is her whole livelihood (her UA-cam career) is so centred on morbid curiosity for how sick she is. She fully knows what she is doing, e.g. frequently body checking and even dropping hints that she’s been feeling poorly /has a bad cough and ‘doesn’t know why’ when she was out of recovery (almost to validate that she was still sick ). It’s a complex one as she is very unwell and her illness fuels her to do these things. However, many other people don’t body check and post themselves online in the same way as she does, despite being sick, so therefore she is culpable in quite a significant way.
You didn’t hear a thing this expert said. That’s what the illness does. You wouldn’t say a person with C$nicer went out and got cancer and are now all over the internet telling their dad story and showing all their symptoms as soooo many do, would you say these things about them and their illness. Why are YOU on here commenting l? What do YOU get out of it? Everything is a mirror and some need them too
you are such a good person for putting this out there. Thank you. Mental illness is a real thing and we all need to take part in figuring some of it out.
I had anorexia as a young teenager and I don't mean to sound flippant, but what cured it for me was literally just smoking weed. I wonder if Eugenia smokes pot? Worth a shot. The thing about anorexia is the more others try to force food onto you, the more adamantly you starve yourself. Obviously getting high is rarely the best solution to a mental illness, but I mean in my experience it simultaneously made my neurotic worries about gaining weight fade away and stimulated my appetite. And eventually it just became second nature to me and I got to the point where I don't need to smoke to overcome it, I don't have those anorexic pangs of worry over eating whatever anymore.
Omg that's pretty much how I overcame my anorexia as a young teenager too. Kinda wish I hadn't gotten into smoking it re: lung health and some other psychological effects I ended up suffering from, and I've since stopped, but I'm not sure what would have happened with my eating disorder if I hadn't. It totally stripped away the excess self-control that was destroying my life. So I'm grateful I did it for that, at least. It's definitely a powerful natural medicine.
My eating disorder never got too bad, but after i was recovered, i started doing drugs, smoking, and drinking. I hate the way i am, always thinking about getting high. I hate how tired i get, i know I'm damaging my body and digging myself an early grave. I know all of that and im trying to quit, but i still relapse and go back on promises that i made to my family and to myself. I have a love/hate/love relationship with substances and its crazy how much i use them to cope (and how often im not sober). My dad's supportive, my mom is weird ab it so im not talking to her, and my therapist is doing her best to help me. Its still my choice to use, though. To light a cigarette, overdose on otc meds, drink until i throw up. I hate it doing it and it often feels like i don't have a choice, like something's possessing me and physically making me use. But i know it's not true. The truth is that it's easier to go on a downward spiral than to take the long path uphill that is recovery. My family cant do a thing to stop me and something about that is both freeing and terrifying, and it's the same case for Eugenia. I hope that she recovers, but that's her choice alone to make. She's either in denial (or more likely), she's accepted that she's gonna die young and isn't going to address it. This is out of anyone's hands but her own, i hope that she'll be able to get out if it.
Thank you for the courage to articulate and share your honest assessment. It's troubling. As humans, we often mistake activity for progress. Nothing we can do can make her progress to health. Only what she does can.
I didn't recover until my family got a kitten for my younger sister's 18th birthday. It sounds so stupid but I would just think, "this cat will love me even if I gain weight." And I was off to swing in the opposite direction! I was chunky for a time because I had literally starved myself for so so long, but I was happy. That kitten is now 6 years old and I probably owe her my life.
I feel ya
I love this story. I am happy you are doing better. Having pets helped me out of my depression.
You remind me of a story I saw here in UA-cam, a girl that saved her life (she suffered an ED) because she loved a particular horse (she loved horses in general, but that one was special). I can't remember the channel sadly. I'm happy you are doing better now.
Isn’t it just wonderful what a pet’s love can do? 💕 I was in a really really bad point after a medical thing, and I remember how happy I was the day my dad took me to go pick up a kitten we were taking off of someone we knew because they couldn’t keep it.
It was the first time after my particular incident I was like “Yeah... it’s gonna be better now I think”
My dog saved my life too 🥲
Possibly the most sane take I've ever heard on Eugenia's situation. So many people claiming to be trying to help her are actually not helping at all.
Me too!!🌺🌺🌺
Throwback to Freelee offering to “help” her. “You know what’ll fix this girl’s anorexia? Stuffing her full of 30 bananas in a day!”
@@francesca1687 freelee suffers from disordered eating and exercise addiction herself so its just ridiculous she would insert her opinion
@@francesca1687 Freelee is eating disordered herself, thank god Eugenia ignored her.
We should share this video on the comments, so people should see this!
If someone tells Eugenia she looks great, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. If someone gently and kindly tells her they are scared for her because they think she's in danger of dying, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. If someone is nasty and insulting and tells her she looks like a horrible, decaying skeleton, it validates her eating disorder and her behavior continues. In other words any and all attention, negative or positive, cruel or kind, that anyone gives her, only serves to feed, sustain and strengthen the monster that is her eating disorder.
Or you could just not comment on her appearance at all. There's plenty of positive things that can be said to her that don't feed into her disorder. Ignore her appearance and don't speak about it. Those conversations about her eating disorder should be had between her and people close to her anyways not people online.
The money she's making is validating her eating disorder too, it's not just comments because you bearly see comments saying she looks beautiful. I haven't even seen one. She knows no one thinks she looks good but she keeps making videos. Who knows maybe she's being forced by someone, personally that's what I think.
@@laurenbray8314 like what exactly? idk but she doesn't do much. I genuinely don't know what else people would comment on, she's obviously not a good content creator, she doesn't have talent the only reason why people watch to understand what is happening and how she is doing unfortunately
@@lizatizitagobey4747 idk "i like your hair" or something
@@F0URL34FCL0V3R No; simply "I hope you have a great weekend, Eugenia!" or "I like the flowers in the garden" or "What a pretty picture of the sunset" - it's not difficult.
Eugenia Cooney is the definition of "you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink"
you can bring eugenia to water but you can't make her drink
I would respectfully suggest it's a little more complicated than that. Perhaps to carry on the analogy bringing the horse to the water might be necessary but not enough ie she needs more than just access to treatment in order to be able to make positive change.
Please no. People used this quote towards me with bipolar. This is really not a fair comment. We know how far gone Eugenia is but this comment is so cruel
It's reaaally not her fault that nobody in her cirlce cares enough to help her get admitted. No "dr", no family helps her. They can all do something about it. Since drs are mandatory reporters and have a duty of care to admit patients when they are in immediate danger. Luckily I got help out of my ep that made me so far gone. Someone stepped in. I'd be dead otherwise. I'm getting on going support since. She hasn't. People really have not supported her since her relapse.
@@lfairy6130 It's not comparable. Eugenia was helped. She was forcibly taken to a psychiatric holding facility, where she was then recommended to seek long-term care specific for EDs. It's unclear who facilitated her going to a long-term facility, whether it was her family or it was a mandate to set the permission for her release from the psychiatric hold, or, most unlikely, of her own choice, but that's regardless of the point. The point is she was in an ED-specific treatment facility for a month. She was given help. But it's clear that she was not ready to truly recover, as her relapse was quite immediate. At this point, there is nothing anyone can do. People have tried and tried and tried to help her. She does not want it.
It's true. Partially the only reason I managed to recover was because of the lack of comments and concern that I received. If I would've received so much attention for my eating disorder why would I ever recover? I'm getting all of this love and attention and concern, I suddenly matter. If I recover people won't care about me anymore.
I know that is really hard for you to go through and i understand it. Its like when reality starts to set in its scary and thats when some people recover. But just want to let you know its not as easy for people like eugenia... Shes in way too deep. I feel like people go way to far with the comments and reactions to eugenia. But i agree with everyone who has unsubscribed to her... Im not sure she will ever recover..
holy shit this comment was genuinely so helpful...
Exactly. And at the same time, the negative comments fuel the disorder by making her feel terrible and making her think she's not worth getting the help she needs.
Same here, if I'm being honest. My eating disorder came out of... a cry for help. I felt alone, lonely, lost (moving overseas multiple times contributed to these things) and I just felt that I needed someone, a parent, to notice my suffering, grab me by the shoulders, give me a hug, make me feel I'm actually loved, that I mean something to them, and to help me get through my struggles. I wasn't getting those things and I didn't know what to do so I tried to express my desperation on the outside by becoming scary thin to the point that my pain couldn't be ignored anymore. After I ended up in the hospital, very close to losing my life, I realized I would die from this eating disorder before actually getting the love and help I needed for what was happening deep down. Yes, I got some concern from well meaning friends or their parents and occasionally from family or teachers, etc. it was just never enough to fill the pain of the emptiness inside me, and it finally clicked that it never would. I knew I could not rely on anyone else's love or attention to help me, because I would literally die before that were to happen. And that's not to say "no one will ever really care about me or love me" because that was my mentality when I was at my worst in my eating disorder, but it was more of a switch in my mind about going about solving the deep rooted problems in a different way and turning my back on the belief that love from someone else will fix me. It was me taking responsibility for figuring out a new approach to my problems because the way I was currently trying to fix my problem was not going to ever work and I'd end up dying if I continued.
@@kmdn1 I really appreciate that you've shared this. Honestly even when you do receive love and attention from people it's never enough to actually fill that void that the eating disorder is occupying. As cheesy as it sounds you'll never feel loved until you start to love yourself. You're the only person who can help you and love you unconditionally and take you out of the pain you're in. You have to do this because you have someone who loves you. And that person is you.
As a provisional psychologist with an ED history...this is the best addressing/ approach to this topic I have seen on this platform. Thank you
@Black Light ?????
@Black Light Ok I'm not sure how I've offended you. I was merely saying that both as someone who works in this area and has personal experience with EDs that I found this a very well balanced and truthful approach. Have a wonderful day
Yes you’re right
@Black Light I am literally screaming at this comment, why are you just throwing the word narcissist around 💀
@@bella2004___ thank you Bella. It really bothers me when people throw around mental health buzz words when there are people who truly struggle. Eg. "Ah I'm so OCD because I keep my desk neat", or "you sound like a Narcissist".... The complexities of mental health involve a lot of daily struggles for both the person and the people in their lives. There is a reason it takes many years to specialise in this field. No that doesn't mean you need to be a Psychologist to have an interest in mental health or have an opinion, but misinformed people throwing around diagnoses etc. can cause a lot of harm.
I am just so shocked that after all these years Eugenia's body is still functioning in the skeletal state that it's in! She must feel so tired.
A Friend of mine is as skinny as her (well almost but still a bmi of 16ish) and shes also living „perfectly fine“. As soon as she gets a cold shes on the verge of death though. And she sleeps 12 hours a day
@@zeepyrope6624bmi 16 is much less at risk than than bmi 9-12 (my guess of what eugenia’s is)
@@ciuta3529 i dont think a body is capable of being that skinny but i could be wrong lmao. Eugi is propably at 12.9 since she once said shes tall and she used to follow an Account that was set on 40 kilos as the goal. 40 and 176 makes 12.9. but youre right thats still definitely lower than my friends bmi
Living organisms can be incredibly resilient, especially if they are trained into functioning a certain way over time. The problem is that the body become hyper-specialized to one environment. Her body can now survive in an insanely low-nutrient, low-calorie environment, but also probably now ONLY survive in an environment free of infectious disease, free of heat or cold stress, free of any sort of change to her bubble. If a regular body walks a balance beam as it maintains homeostasis then Eugenia is walking a spider silk-thin tightrope while balancing dishes on her hands and nose. If a fly lands on her it could be the end, and quickly.
It’s disgusting but I think Eugenia and her mother have found a perfect “sweet spot” to keep her alive yet, within her disorder. I’m sure mama has her tiny meals prepped and ready to go for her when she has to eat to stay alive.
Even Jesus asked people, "Do you want to be healed?" He didn't heal everyone. I recovered too, but you have to want it. No one can force it on you.
Yup, they had to take some sort of step first, even just believing they were worth saving.
Facts. There were people who denied healing because of their unbelief. He didn't force them to receive healing. Healing is something that could be done in those times. But now since he's died for us it had been done and all we have to do is take it
Yes, they needed to make an act of faith to be healed.
Great point!!
I think the only possible way she could ever recover is to unplug. It’s clearly so wrapped up in the ED for her. Like in addiction you need to avoid places and things. Social media is her places and things.
Very much so. Her family has benefitted so much and her only source of income revolves around it solely. I was told i was "mean" to say she needed to get off the internet this year by choice or she would be off because she's not around, to put it in as nice terms as i can.
Just as in drug abuse, one has to want to get "clean" and change or "see the light".
But internet is her income, is how she keeps people around her, do you really want her to feel completely alone and penniless?
@@marianamartins2417 the other choice is her not being alive. This is my last comment regarding her. EC has to want to change and get better to live another 5 years.
I truly think she can only recover off the internet but if that's the excuse... as far as income goes, she could move to a voice over format, she wouldn't be on camera and could still have income and interaction. That's not really why she isn't recovering though and we all know it.
@@michellecallahan9496 Was there ever any other talent that she exhibited on her channel, other than the attention for her looks? Maybe if people could demand that she do artwork to show, or something like that. Since she seems to have painted herself into a corner becoming famous for being dangerously mentally ill, and her family is dependent on her UA-cam income, and she feels like that's her only attraction to keep the views coming. She should be encouraged to just do ANYTHING different for content, than keeping attention on her body.
"Do you know what eating disorders do? That!" This is such, such, such a good point.
What's the timestamps for that quote
@@-chenlanying5818 5:55
@@-chenlanying5818The context is, everyone on the internet who interacts with her is analyzing her body with a microscopic focus.
I feel like the Shane documentary about her kinda made it worse because she got more popular because of it and she was in recovery and she saw that people were worried so she stopped recovery to care and worry about her
ill never forget how the shane documentary opened eugenia up to drama/tea channels on YT. talking about her recovery and speculating about her. ill never forget rich lux saying "[eugenia] looks good she looks THICC"
@alison barker Holy shit someone said that... what an absolute dumbfuck. Shane's doc did so much harm to her, its unfathomable. Had she stayed away from the internet or even just kept to her own channel during that time- there is a possibility she would have actually fully gone through with recovery. At least quasi. Damn.
@@rachael7160 I mean my theory is that her environment at home isnt that good and going back into that toxicity encouraged and enabled her to continue. Shane also said and did things in this video that definitely could've hurt her progress and possibly set her back. However that's all speculation, we really don't know all the facts. I agree with you, though. Saying it's just an attention thing is ignorant and is harmful.
While i agree that Shane's documentary didn't help, i think the problem laid in her home life. Her friends had to force her into treatment, which her mother didn't actually want her to go to. If you hear Eugenia speak, she never actually believed she had a problem and the moment she got the opportunity, she quit treatment, and her parents backed her on it. So while Shane's documentary may have made the downward spiral faster, unfortunately, there were way too many things going against her anyway.
Shane’s doc glorified her lifestyle that is a direct result of her enablers and her mental illness. I felt Eugenia’s account of her rehabilitation attempt was insincere and she hoped people would then get off her back and let her do her thing. That girl is lonely and crying out for attention. Your commentary is brilliant and authoritative. Social media has inflamed EDs in all their forms so we do need more Govt support for dealing with the tragic results for people and their families.
There are still far too many people who think if they just say the magic words, they can get through to Eugenia. If they just word their comment in the "correct" way, or just use the right example, then maybe they can get a break through.
These people fail to realise that every single trick in the book has been exhausted. Whatever clever idea they have has already been done literally thousands of times. Nothing that anybody says is going to get through to Eugenia. Not a single internet stranger can convince her to get help. Not one.
I think that's incredibly hard for people to accept that there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. It's a tough pill to swallow.
I think this is why the situation is so upsetting for me, because I've been there in my personal life -- thinking that if I said and did things just right, bluntly put, my ex wouldn't want to die anymore. It took a lot of distance from that relationship and work on myself to understand that I wouldn't have been responsible for the worst-case scenario I was constantly working so hard to avoid. It is really hard to navigate and keep yourself emotionally intact when you want so badly for someone so sick to turn the corner.
You just wrote down what has been on my mind, i feel so basic, lol. I always hoped flr someone to day something that works.
Thanks for make me aware of it all.
Hugs!
I regret not watching this video sooner because like you said it is a hard pill to swallow & maybe by now I would've gotten it down. I only started following Eugenia recently after seeing some videos about her pop up on youtube home page but I started to see the pattern from seeing things from years ago & after her relapse. When I first saw Mia's video pop up I just wasn't ready to accept it, but I started coming around, but needed that extra push. Mia was blunt, but in a nice & understanding way so my sensitivity didn't get in the way of hearing what she had to say. Still a hard pillow to follow though.
Exactly! People want to white knight. "I'll be the one that ends up saving her." I think this really points to the wide reach of social media and how people are enmeshed unhealthily in it. Eugenia does not know her fans, she only knows them as a blanket of people. Her fans really think that if she "cares" about them she will get well for them. That is such an uninformed and naive mindset. This tells me - sadly - that most of them have no real knowledge of EDs. It's completely unfair of them to put her through that pressure. It isn't about her not caring. It's about an ED having control of her, just like it's in control of anyone who is deeply in their ED.
I think it's especially hard to see for people that have had an ED and recovered because they have personal experience with it and think they can give Eugenia some kind of "pointers" to help.
From 2011-2013 I went through the worst period of my ED, where I lost a ton of weight by restricting & purging. I was bone thin, & everyone in my life was terrified, and begging me to get help. My fiance told me everyone in his family were quietly asking him if I was actually terminally ill, I looked so sick. And yes, I LOVED IT. I basked in every ounce of worry I could wring out of family & friends. Being told I looked sick, bad, etc only reinforced my desire to continue looking like that. Eating disorders are a mindfu*k, even to those of us in them. ESPECIALLY to us, in fact.
If you could try to explain, why it is that people saying you look sick and ill was a good thing to you at he time? But also if people around you who care about you are worried for you and maybe even cry for you to get better (mom and dads especially) wouldn't you feel atleast a little bit guilty that you're making your loved ones hurt so much and worry so much for you? Like they might worry you're about to die but your ED is still thinking this whole situation is awesome and their worry is fantastic? I never quite understood that part when people explain about their ED. It seems kinda twisted like bad has turned to good, like you're feeding off other peoples bad emotions.
@@zebnemma I second this, I don't understand how the ED warps peoples minds "aw they care so much" from "wow, I'm really hurting everyone around me while hurting myself. I should take this seriously."
@@vivalaninathink of it in the similar vein as suicidal tendencies. Or depression, or other things like those. When you're suffering from those thoughts. Reason goes out the window and you're not all there. Especially if you're in a dark time. Of course you care about those around you but when you don't care about yourself and suddenly everyone is focusing on you. It can warp the mind. It can also be due to a cry for help. Wanting the attention, because you want help. Sometimes there's no reason or explanation to it.
You don't recognize what's wrong until someone is able to show it to you and snap you back into reality. It's why therapy is incredibly important for these things.
It can also be due to a desire for self harm. Basking in the fact you're hurting yourself because you hate yourself, makes the brain go all over thr places
That's the best I can explain it but in thr video it's semi explained. The Eating disorder can cause these things and that's why it's so hard to get through to the person suffering
@@zebnemma If someone is suffering severely on the inside, people tend not to notice or show much concern, but they may care if it's visible physically. Suffering so much inside with no external acknowledgement of that suffering by anyone is unbearable- we are social animals and feeling the presence of something that nobody else seems to notice makes you second guess your own mind, so there is a strong incentive to externalise internal suffering. For example, a family member who never once cared about your depression may express concern towards you losing weight.
Additionally, the idea of working so hard towards a goal that you ignore your own health and elicit concern from others is romanticised a lot in our culture, as is being generally skinny. It shows mastery of willpower and the ability to resist temptation, something valued in many cultures, including those with Christian religious influences in their history. So people expressing concern that you're going too far with a 'good thing' can be a source of pride rather than shame. The ED also makes you want to hear people express concern to validate that you're doing a 'good job' at losing weight.
Lastly, it's not that people with EDs don't care that they are eliciting worry and distress in people. The ED and the internal pain is simply a stronger influence than the desire not to worry others. Someone with depression doesn't want to worry their friends and family, but they can't stop being depressed. It's the same thing.
Just to note that I'm speaking specifically about why someone with an ED may be fuelled by worry and concern, not about all the motivations behind an ED generally. Also, not all people with EDs do enjoy worry and concern, this may just be part of the motivation if they do.
Right, I’m currently dealing with an eating disorder and lost 20 pounds 108 to 88. Recently my heart has been beating too slow because of my lack of food, and I had to go to the hospital because I passed out. I’m trying to recover, but every time someone says how thin I am or how much I’ve lost and it’s unhealthy, makes me happy. It’s horrible feeling this way because I know my health is deteriorating but I feel almost proud for being sick.
Really well explained. "You are not talking to Eugenia: you are talking to her eating disorder, and you're telling it it's doing a great job". Fundamentally, as someone who's never had anorexia, I think there are dimensions to it I'll never really understand wholly... but I don't need to with advice like that. Thank you x
Herbs and altars and you understand what it truly feels like thank u
Yes all too well. Since H&A is relapsing right now I've unsubscribed from the channel. I feel like watching is enabling and encouraging in some way.
@@barbarathorndyke7651 thats very thoughtful :) he seems to be getting better, thankfully.
@Sophie Howard oh sorry! i had never seen them correct pro nouns but thanku for telling me :) ill change them
@@littleone2136 yep, the latest videos seem to address the relapse in past tense. Hopefully! Dorian's vids are the only ones that really make me feel what it is like (I know hard drugs, goth scene etc but Ed is what my big sister's been struggling with for more than 15 years and Dorian's way of addressing them really hit home)
@@claireguillon7596 awh, im so happy youre trying to learn about what your sister is going through. thats so sweet
Unfortunately, it seems like most of the people who claim to want to help her, aren't doing anything to understand her and her illness..
Its a real shame that we live in a day and age with so much access to information but people choose to be cruel and ignorant.
@@psychedlicsouljam1995 People aren't being "cruel and ignorant". You must be a new viewer of Eugenia's. We have pleaded, sympathized, and begged her for many years to get help. She laughs in our faces, as a rebuttal. It's disgusting.
@@samuelsprings7245 she laughs in your faces??
@@samuelsprings7245 and you think that's the way to guide an anorexic to get help? Well yeh, then that is ignorance. I do get what you're saying and your frustration at EC but in the end whatever 1000s or even hundreds of thousands of people online tell you for however many years, it really comes down to her home support or lack thereof. Her family also deny she's ill, we don't know what other mental illness she may suffer plus the situation with UA-cam fuels her desire to stay the same I'm sure. So she's got a lot to battle with off her own back before she gets remotely near wanting help, or reaching out because it would be a mementos effort to just get around her family.
@@samuelsprings7245 Just as many people have shouted at her about how disgusting she is, about how she looks like she's going to die, about how triggering her appearance is, about how she ought to be ashamed of herself for targeting kids -- and the point here is that _none of it is getting through to her._ It stops at her disorder, i.e. her disordered thinking patterns. If you truly think she's laughing in your face, why on earth would you still watch her? Why wouldn't you just disengage and go somewhere else?
Another layer to the complexity of eugenias illness and recovery is that her illness is part of the reason why she is so popular on the internet and therefore, how she makes money. Why give up your ED when it makes you rich and it makes your family happy?
although it seems like their father was well off before so they dont really need to make these videos i dont think
If she decided to recover and film her way to recovery, she would be just as popular. Maybe she would lose some of her most creepy fans, but she would gain others, people who are also trying to recover or are interested in supporting her on her way to health. For example I would watch her videos, at the moment I can't watch them, it's too depressing.
She'd be even more popular and would make more money if she recovered. She could be an amazing inspiration and hero to so many people. She could use her platform in such a positive way. 😢
these comments acting like people don't like to see a car crash way more than a success... sure if she recovered there'd be supportive people there for her but A LOT of the people watching her would lose interest. and i don't think she'd gain that many new fans.
Secondary gain of staying sick
I think the absolute best thing anyone could do for her is stop looking, stop watching, stop commenting and stop engaging. People passing comment when they know nothing about EDs is probably a big part of why she’s gotten to this point. It’s heartbreaking, but people need to accept that we can’t help someone who won’t accept help, there’s genuinely no way.
This! Exactly this! Praise, concern, abuse; the form the engagement comes in does not matter. When someone says, “wow, you look so good,” the ED hears it the same as someone saying either “you’re ill, you’re taking this too far, and I’m concerned” or “ew, you look terrible, you sick pile of bones.” To the ED, it all translates as, “what you’re doing is working. Keep going.” It is literally all the same to it.
This is why social media is so dangerous for people with EDs. The internet lives for the spectacle, and the ED lives to provide one. All feedback is positive feedback to the monster that is an ED. When you cease engagement, you remove the reward for the unhealthy behavior. That’s when the real healing can begin.
It would likely take everyone on all the platforms she's on to report her to get her off of those platforms where she no longer gets the attention but it likely won't happen
it will never happen. theres always going to be trolls who encourage her
cut the internet for her at all cost, ignore this manipultive human even if its hard to ignore. people called her out tried either way nice or bad, she ignores us so we should start ignore her aswell. hope people will actually learn watching her will feed her illness more. but since people keep watching her and paying her bills, she doesnt need to change at all. i just wait to the day she wont post anything anymore, that date people wake maybe up and save their own life. i might sound cruel and nasty, but lt her die if she wants to. the drama about her is annoying and she even loves the drama. people here are stupid.
I think the best thing to do would be for everyone to stop commenting about her body and instead comment on the actual content of her videos. By which I mean the shoes, the makeup, the clothes, not the way the clothes look on her or how she looks in them. I think that way she could still have her connection, but it wouldn't feed the disorder. And the same thing goes for all the videos about her (this one not included because it's actually helpful!), the reddit pages where people analyse her every move, all the people coming to her streams to make insensitive and unhelpful comments etc. But I don't think this will ever happen, unfortunately.
Some people really seem to use her as some sort of outlet for their emotions. I think those people do a lot of harm and won't stop until they take a look at themselves instead of focusing on her.
I've had the idea that if we could get a ton of people to redirect her live streams, so people specifically DO NOT ask about food or E.D. or anything, and ask her to show us things like her stuffies and room decor, ask her about games she is playing and stuff, maybe it would be a positive redirection.
However, I think that not only would her mods put a stop to it, but it's an unfair ask to have people spending their money/bits to constantly redirect the conversation.
@@QueerCripple pretty sure her mods are her parents?
I totally agree! This way, her personality and interests would be the star of the show and what's drawing in the attention, instead of her illness.
What content??
Yes. Do not engage with her about her ED or appearance. And yes people use her as a punching bag of sorts because she's a easy target. Its disgusting.
Another thing I see people saying a lot is stuff like, “It’s amazing what the human body can endure!”, “how can she even stand for that long?”, “How does she stream for eight hours without a single sip of water?!” And I cringe every time because I know she is just loving every word. They are disgusted and horrified by what they see, but all she hears is “Wow! I’m so thin people can’t believe I’m alive! Wow, I’m so special that I can actually dance and stream and shop at this weight without consequences and everyone is so impressed!”
But you can not live at that weight. The human body is not that resilient. It is not impressive, because every day she goes in this state is another day closer to death. It’s not her conquering her limitations. It’s her pushing them to their limit. That’s all. Her body and mind is on the brink and struggling with every movement. It’s showing more now that she’s aging. She looks ten years older than she is. She’s lost the magical vitality that comes with youth and can carry your body through all kinds of abuse. She can not go in like this, but like you said, there isn’t a thing anyone can do.
Ik I think her channel should be taken down it’s just causing her more harm seeing comments like that
It's like giving a drug addict their drug of choice over and over and expecting them to recover. It's just in her case, her drug of choice is the concern over her appearance and well-being.
Well said!
As someone recovering from addiction, this is perfectly said and helped me see Eugenia’s situation in a new light. Whilst recovering I have been consistently been around/offered the drug of choice, and I’m lucky to have *such* a will to recover that when I inevitably did slip, the slip was small and I was able to pull myself back again swiftly. A lot of people fighting addiction would have completely relapsed in my current situation, and I wouldn’t blame them. It’s like she said, you have to REALLY want recovery, even when it’s hard, even when it’s the most painful thing you could imagine, and this applies to recovering from anything that has such a great hold on a person.
@@elliejean7715 congrats on recovery!!!
Well she leaves the comments on for a reason. If the “haters” as she calls them hurt her feelings so bad, she would’ve disabled them…she secretly like them, you’re right!! 🤔
It's also engagement, so it pushes her videos to more people
Maybe. But I'm never going to justify hateful comments because ppl leaving those quite frankly S U C K.
She screenshots them shortly after they are posted too and that says a lot. She is waiting for the comments to flood in commenting in her appearance.
She will not recover because her “support system” isn’t supportive. Her mother only cares about the money her daughter brings in. I don’t see a way she’s not going to die soon.
Her mother has to know the money will stop if Eugenia dies ?
At this point people are just waiting for her to suddenly pass away. Even if she went to rehab, i don’t think her body can undo all that damage.
Yours is the most real and intelligent take on EC’s status.
You are so right..as a recovered anorexic and bulimic I couldn't agree with you more. When I was going through it all, and I was very very sick, all I ever wanted to hear was how skinny and sick I looked .. the more I was told the more I wanted to get skinnier.. it completely fed my disorders and people who thought they were helping me actually helped me to wanna lose more weight.. NOT giving her or the disorder the "your so skinny" or "you look so sick", etc. comments is helping more than anything...
That's the tragedy here, she's addicted to attention and what could help her is to not get any attention at all. But because she's a content creator, she's being fed a lot of it. Even those situations where she flashed viewers, this is her attention addiction progressing - she's desensitized to "normal" attention, so she does things to provoke more of it, or more intense version of it.
Yeah... my girlfriend has an ED and i have no idea how to help her (:) it’s okay! She's self aware and helps herself and wants to get better. But it’s so scary hearing her talk about her own body in such a... clouded, delusional way) I have no idea how I’m supposed to help
Wow. This released me from a lot angst regarding Eugenia....our brains r driven to solve. My attention will now be directed towards those seeking recovery! Thk u! This was so informative.
She doesn't just have the ED. The way she dresses and changing of her voice. The need to be more like a child then an adult. Inability to maintain romantic/personal relationships. I really think if she spoke about her trauma this would help a lot of people.
bro her brain never fully developed because of her disorder
You assume shes conscious of these things. It may be a trauma response, it may be something else. It doesn't necessarily mean she's aware of what she's doing. Like it could be an unconscious reaction. Also she doesn't owe anyone her trauma. If she has something that's a wildly personal thing to talk about. The fact that she couldn't even say she had a problem before, like couldn't even say the words shows us all that she would probably never speak about anything publicly. She's so engulfed in whatever is taken control of her, it's unlikely anyone but her family or therapists will ever hear about it and that's completely ok. It's her right. That's also a lot of pressure to put on someone who's already under pressure.
I always thought she was a childhood survivor of S A. That being said, she has made a career of being on deaths door. Why would she want to get better? Hell, why would her mom want her to get better? That is how they make their money. She wouldn't be anything special if she wasn't a living skeleton.
@@kristie3592it’s like the video went right over y’all’s heads holy shit
@@abbie_joanShe sounds way more mature in her decade old videos.
her Twitter replies are FILLED with people angrily screaming at her, calling her nasty names and over scrutinizing and over analyzing every single word or movement she makes. They believe they're so in the right, they can't even see the damage they're doing. They can't see they're part of the problem as to why she's not seeking recovery.
Agree. I believe they are either ED sufferers or dysfunctional ppl for other reasons. To get angry at someone on SM for their disorder is totally effed up.
Yes those are so awful and destructive! I see people cursing her and saying they "know" she's doing this all on purpose to hurt people.😦🤦🏾♀️
@@zxyatiywariii8 Unfortunately lately I've seen some troll/evil accounts telling her "you look fat, lose some weight, gross", "you gained weight, stop eating", "i hope she d!es" and comments of the same caliber... so messed up... people are so cruel...
if people on the comments are so nasty all day, maybe she should start thinking why, and maybe stop streaming if it bothers so much.
GaclynGlenn and her other friends were probably the only ones who got even remotely close to actually helping her, but sadly that’d didn’t work either.
They honestly cared and were scaredfor her
I actually think what Jaclyn did caused trauma for Eugenia and made her even more terrified of getting help again. I don't think Jaclyn was close enough to Eugenia to be the one to do a intervention. Now she's terrified of being forced into recovery and going back to a psych ward. People can say her being traumatized by it is ridiculous all they want but it doesn't change the reality of it. Its quite obvious it was a traumatic experience to her to the point she starts crying when she talks about it. Not good. Also Jaclyn making all that information public online was NOT okay. That's nobodies business and it wasnt helpful. It fueled more stress for Eugenia than anything else.
@@laurenbray8314 More to that story and JG got ran over and EC blaming everyone for her bad life choices. They also degraded homeless ppl doing so. EC need to get over the fact she is no better than poor ppl. Yes, she has some issues outside the ed.Way she views self her internet fame so young. She only got better for a blink of an eye ever due to that. So no. Outside that she might be dead already. Headed back out of spite. Inner lil devil in her...imma show you guys... comes with a high. So like a drug addict where they are clean for a moment then crave the high. Fall back into everything. JG an many others stated the environment will cause it. Sure enough. Seems that home life has more issues than we know many family members can be a number of things. Only be speculations. But she still lives with them she is an adult still can't drive. no control. Idk if self caused or family thing.
@@leosuniverse You don't know what her experience was at that psych ward. Like so many others, you negate the validity of her experience and opinion. This was never about "poor people." The classism problem that ppl have with Eugenia is gross and has nothing to do with her disorder.
Well spoken. Thanks for sharing.
I agree. I've attended many ED groups and I've never seen someone as bad as her. I think she's too far gone into her disorder and can't be saved. She doesn't want to get better and is "happy" being the way she is. Any pleas for her to seek help is pointless.
@@spinachme0 just wondering what the point of sharing something like this is?? It's not gonna help her, and it's definitely not gonna help anyone who looks it up, so what's your reasoning here?
@@spinachme0 Nobody wants to see people in these conditions
@@spinachme0 oh my gosh! I had to check because I literally didn’t believe it could be worse. It is worse! :(
@@spinachme0 Nobody asked.
And horrible as it is to say…Eugenia is nearing 30, and while she is still young the body can take a lot more damage in your teens and early 20s than it can after, and considering how awful her illness is…I don’t even think recovery would be possible, I think she’s done too much damage at this point. I don’t know for certain, I’m not a doctor, but that’s my concern
Finally, a video about her that is dropping FACTS. This shouldn't be touched by most people. It's too delicate of a situation.
I have personal experience and I know all too well how devastating "well meaning" can be. I too though, cannot imagine the whole public internet figure, w/ hate comments, etc., would have been like on top of all that...
I’ve always thought it was weird how people make EDs a moral issue… when I was at my worst people said a lot of things like “you have to get better!!” too… the way people are so angry and aggressive toward her is so weird to me… you don’t *care*, you’re just bothered because you don’t understand or can’t control her or something…
I know right? Its infuriating!
It's out of frustration. Not saying it's right. Mad because she's getting worse. Some do understand still frustrated.
yeah stop being concerned about her, i just wait till shes finally dead. it helps thousands of people here and the drama finally will stop. and money is saved aswell. I sound nasty and cruel, but dont spit oil while the pan is hot. have a good day u eugenia supporters.
@@newyoutubeaccount2023 if u say so, but these people should be disowned and forced. we here in europe call them psych sick people thats needs medic help. idk where u live lol but living like euginia and showing it off is disgusting and not even near of respecting.
She’s making money starving herself, I don’t think she will never quit.
this!! and I think people need to care about the children who watch her contents more than her
I'm sure she appreciates the money but the money is FAR from the reason she holds her platform.
I think as far as people getting triggered by her, you can unfollow and ignore her content but UA-cam still pushes it up into the trending and recommended videos so that's a huge issue
You can block her and it won't show. The real problem is so many people have created channels just to repost her content....and they are going viral. Not to mention all of the drama channels who have to get in on the action even tho they don't add anything new to the discussion. Its scary how some people place all of the blame on her when really a lot of the responsibility falls on us (and youtube of course). I know I am guilty of clicking the livestream reuploads and adding to the algorithm.
There are ways to prevent them from coming up, and you have to make the decision not to watch.
Sometimes that means unplugging from certain places on social media completely then.
I've always said we need to stop analysing and talking about it to her but I've never been able to explain why. This video is fantastic thank you for this I really love the echo metaphor ❤🌙 I recovered from my more brief ed AN with no treatment but I can say that during the time people started commenting or offering food I got worse because I was already scared and unsure why I was doing what I was and I have no idea why I reacted by getting worse I just did. But once the world quietened my world became clear and at some point I could think again and had a brief moment where I saw myself and what was happening and from then on I started recovering myself. I think the first thing we should do is STOP talking to her about it. Then if needs be we can attempt deplatforms etc but I think the comments (I'm also guilty a couple times) are the worst thing rn. But people are not willing to not comment and bring it up to her partly for drama partly for hero complex or fear of doing nothing.
Finally, a video about Eugenia that speaks the truth. I love how clearly you've made your point, and the poignant quality of her case. You obviously are a very knowledgeable and sensible person. Thank you for taking the time to record this.
Im not sure she CAN recover, the damage to her body and heart could be irreversible at this point, if she's going to gain weight now her heart could just fail. The body knows how to adapt to survive, it took her about 10 years to get to that stage where her body "learned" how to survive...if she "recovers" too quickly it might kill her. I also have a terrible example, holocausts victims died from eating after being severely starved, the food tore their spider-web thin intestines. Karen Carpenter died shortly after she gained back some weight to recover. This is a tragedy, I do wish her well, she deserves better...but I can't see light at the end of this tunnel...
I love your point about the blame being put on eugenia. Us mentally unstable people will always find ways to hurt ourselves and trigger our own disorders. Eugenia is a loner, like myself who stays inside all day in her small room. Does taking away a young womans access to social media really help her? Even in treatment you still get some minimal access to social media and stuff. Dont even get me started on the double standards between anorexia vs obesity because its obvious.
To see a mother be perfectly fine and content with knowing her daughter will die way before her, makes me so angry I think very dark thoughts of Deb Cooney.
Hi Mia, I understand what you're saying, and thank you for sharing your expertise. I am myself recovered from +10 years of restrictive anorex1a (typed like this in case youtube filters my comment). There is something I disagree with you on, and it is that in a case of extreme emaciation like hers (and like mine was), it's not realistic to expect the person to be proactive and decide to get help. At this point I don't think it's realistic at all. She's too far gone into her numbers game, into her extreme bodychecking, into her thinking this gives her superhuman control and trying to prove everyone wrong. I was forced into the hospital 3 different times at Eugenia's size and that saved my life at that moment, and so that allowed me to have more time and do more reflection. If she's not forced into recovery again, she will pass away before any recovery thought starts to click.
I was taught by my therapists that in anorex1c patients who come in with such low BMI the very first thing to be done is to weight restore just a little bit first so that they're pretty confident that the person is going to make it, and only then they begin therapy. I don't think she's ever going to get better if that step isn't done first, as she's just not going to survive much longer.
Yes, it is a traumatic process, but it would save her life again, as it saved mine. Took me 3 attempts, but here I am today, recovered. Still with some feelings of betrayal by my family who didn't even try to talk to me about it and just grabbed me and put me in the car. But that saved my life. And that is what I'm positive saved Eugenia's life two years ago. Maybe if it were done again it would click this time. Who knows.
I'm obviously not Mia, and I could be wrong, but I don't walk away from this thinking you two disagree that the extreme scenarios are more likely here than Eugenia being proactive. I think the point is that trying to make her aware of any of this in the hopes of getting her to be proactive will only feed her current patterns.
Also, for what it's worth, if she does go through that process again, people need to really take that last paragraph to heart -- that the process is traumatic and Eugenia may walk away from it without gratitude for the people who made that choice for her. The response I saw last time was very angry at and judgmental of her; there was a lot of disbelief that she wasn't grateful and dismissal of her trauma.
I don't think reddit threads & youtube comments will get eugenia into the hospital though. you said your family intervened but I don't think she has that support system.
I completely agree. Weight restoration is an important element because the brain is not able to think rationally when the body is in a state of severe under nutrition. People saying that she has to want to get better before she can recover maybe don’t understand that the vast majority of people with an ED never want to recover.
her entire family just supports her killing herself because they're making money off her suffering it's sad that she has no one willing to make those decisions when she can't
If she wasn't so scrutinised and reliant on the internet for income it'd probably be easier for her to accept help.
You said this so well
I wish people would understand that internet harassment, which is what these people are doing, doesn't help it makes it worse. I don't understand her situation, but I do know that sending her hate online won't make it better. Most of the people leaving comments are like those who fat shame and claim that they are doing it for the health of the victim. They just want to justify what they know is wrong. There are studies that show that fat shaming hurts people more than it's ever helped them the same is true here.
her comment sections on Twitter and UA-cam are a disaster. Full of people insulting her and saying horrible things to her, over analyzing everything she says or does but claiming they're doing it for "saving the kids who watch her". They're actually doing so much damage... maybe if we show them this video, they'll start to understand the damage they're doing?
@@NeneChan203 Some, many won't. Many are just beyond redemption
THIS. I’ve had AN for 12 years at this point and have only made real recovery progress in the last 2. The interventions, inspirational/desperate speeches, pleas to recover either made me paranoid and overwhelmed or led to my illness being so proud of me for finally reaching a point of raising concern. There’s nothing people can say to get through to her unless she wants to hear it. I think people are actively harming her more than if they’d do nothing. Plus, I can’t be the only one who feels like the millions of us with EDs who aren’t Eugenia are becoming invisible and unheard in comparison. It reinforces to those of us suffering that we have to visibly represent our mental hell to be worthy of concern (though we only need our own validation!) and I think that’s toxic. Rant over, tldr you are doing the lords work with this video 😂🖤
*LET’S JUST STOP GIVING HER THE ATTENTION SHE WANTS.*
Why not remove her from UA-cam? This does not help her.
This is why I look up to you so much and continue to watch your videos, even after being recovered for years now. You are so eloquent and nuanced, but also get the complexities of dealing with an eating disorder/ caring about someone with an eating disorder. You can't do the work for them, but you can cheer them on and learn about the intricacies of this mental illness and how to approach those loved ones when they are trying to recover. You are a big inspiration to me and helped me tremendously when life felt unbearable. Keep doing what you do best, Mia! You're amazing!
Honestly, when I first clicked on this video, I thought it was going to be another long rant about how "evil" she is but I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for your take.
same, I didn't click on it because I was tired of the dog-piling and lack of perspective from all the other channels. I'm glad I did and i hope this video goes viral so it can have some sort of impact.
She is NOT evil by any measure, She’s got. A real disease. It’s what going on in her inner world she’s try on h to avoid. The inner conflict is almost impossible to heal and reconcile.
@@bridaw8557 I do not understand why you're telling me this
Not to be a “boundary stepper, ” so to speak, for this is pure sarcasm and not to be taken seriously; I, however, quite literally, could kiss you for posting this and saying the things that you did, especially since this has been prominently on my mind whenever I come across the wide range of content getting made on this subject matter, specifically the content that has quickly shifted from “I want to help/bring awareness” to blatant shame, ridicule, hostility, and vilifying her, simply because Eugenia, or her ED, rather, which, as you said, is something that people are missing, was not operating around other people’s expectations of what should be the critical factor or “appropriate amount of attention or unsolicited help” that would cause Eugenia to get the help she needs, as if that is, in any fathomable way, how ED’s work.
I could probably be more specific or concise about what particular type of content that I referenced is, precisely; I, however, think that the way I put it is enough to get the bigger picture of how counterproductive a significant amount of people have been with their actions, reactions, and methods of “helping” Eugenia.
I, myself, am someone who struggled with an ED in my past, who continues to battle self-image-related troubles as far as being entirely happy, content, and satisfied with my physical appearance; binging and purging, on the other hand, are luckily no longer a force of fixation or a carried out action in my life. I'm also someone vastly dual-diagnosed with several different mental health diagnoses, as well as someone who is recovering from the disease of addiction at that.
Whenever I would come across the specific ways that certain people were choosing to navigate or handle this situation, I couldn't help but not only think of pretty much everything that you touched on but also relate ED’s a lot to the disease of addiction with how complex, complicated, powerful, and deadly the two are and how the things that most people would consider to be “no brainer” solutions or even what seems like the logical, rational, and most sensible actions to take, essentially, hold no merit and should be, in many ways, thrown out the window when handling someone battling an ED or the disease of addiction, for logic and rationality, are rarely found when their illness fully encapsulates that person.
I think the thing that shocked me the most, although I wouldn't say that I was legitimately shocked, is the number of people who expressed that they too struggled with an ED in their lives but yet, were actively co-signing and supporting the detrimental, counterproductive, or adverse actions that other creators were exhibiting towards Eugenia, which only solidified my stance, even further, that people, in general, including those who have struggled with any given illness or diagnosis, do not adequately understand that issue nor do they possess the necessary knowledge, information, awareness, etc., needed to best help someone else struggling with said issue.
It is so common nowadays for people to wholeheartedly believe that they possess the answers or acquire all of the information or experience possible and know what to do and how to do it; if someone does the opposite, however, well, if I use the consensus of how people today react as an example, then chances are that person, who is under the societal microscope, will get torn to shreds by the mob of self-appointed and self-established doctors, psychiatrists, etc., who have everything figured out.
There are people out there who have extensive experience and knowledge of specific issues that the “average person,” so to speak, who has battled the same problems, has not had the opportunity, or it was not their journey, to obtain; those people, however, are not heavily seen amongst those on the outside looking in. If anything, those people are the lesser denominator amongst those commonly commenting on situations or circumstances like this.
Again, thank you for speaking up in the way that you did! 👏🏽
I have commented before on your videos on how I don't have an eating disorder myself but watch your content to know how to better help my patients in my work as a community pharmacist in Queensland. Today though I think I needed to hear this message for me, I've been struggling with my own mental health recently and I think what you said is an important point. You can have all the treatment in the world but you need to be willing to put in the work to help better yourself. So thank you Mia xo
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Very well said, Mia. WHY THE HELL IS UA-cam ALLOWING THIS CONTENT !!!
@ Isabel Taylor MONEY! as simple as that, is disgusting and disturbing but is the world that we live now days… these platforms only care about money, this has gone too far? at this point is obvious that they don’t care about the harm of her content can cause yo her audience,
I’m a mental health worker and don’t necessarily work with people who have specific eating disorders. I however really appreciated this because it helped educate me more. You were very articulate and thank you for what you do. Indeed the funding here in Canada is atrocious as well.
There are conspiracy theories that people with fetishes are paying her to perform certain actions on her twitch. There’s one where she gets paid every time she moves her makeup box. She even announces every time she’s going to lift it. If those theories are true, that’s very sad.
Honestly, I believe this, there is an community that takes pics of drasticly underweight people cause they fetishizes the way they look. So the lifting thing could be legit.
It's not a conspiracy theory unfortunately
Every time she does it the same person sends a large donation.
When I was in highschool I used my classmates as thinspo. The bigger ones were a warning, the few that were slimmer were my goals. Absolutelty true about the triggers and wanting to be triggered.
The truth is that feeling triggered feels great. Both the warnings and the goals. Unfortunately.
One of my friends back in high school used to tell my sister and I that she felt so jealous at how thin we were. I found out years later that she'd been bulimic and we had no idea.
The best video on a Eugenia situation.For me she is the lost cause,either she will be lucky and her body will endure all the damage or unfortunately she dies.And don’t get me wrong but people are so worried about her because she is pretty and famous.Millions of people in the world suffer from eating disorder and nobody cares , children in Africa starving,Or people suffer in silence because there is not enough facilities.The world is just so cruel.
People are worried about her because she's pretty and famous??
@@chantellea9938 Yes this is my opinion I might be wrong my point was that people are not worried about millions of people who they don’t know and they die every day from ED, plus like I mentioned they are not worried about hungry children dog maybe I put it in the wrong words I meant because she is exposed on the internet and people know her so the concentrated on the one person
@@magalufff Well, people are actually concerned for the children watching Cooney's videos. There are many documented cases (mainly on youtube, and on screenshots from here media's comments) of little girls fantasizing her body to the point where it can become a cause for developping EDs.
I'm myself someone who stopped smoking cigarettes. I know it isnot the same, but the psychological factor of quitting nicotine and recovering from an ED has ressemblances. What I learned from my recovery is that people shaming you aren't helping at all.
I was very ashamed of smoking, and hid myself to do it. Super anxious, knowing it was bad, but kept doing it.
What helped me? My friend who knew the difficulty, and helped me without judging me in my tens of relapses.
Now my point is: if you get actual help from people, and that you deny it, is because you don't want to get helped. People forced her in rehab, and as soon as she was out, she relapsed. People with genuine concern, trying to help her get rejected or simply responded with :"I'm fine, don't worry".
A person in denial can't be forced to change their habits. It doesn't work. The first step for recovery is accepting that you have a problem.
She relapsed because she doesn't think that she has a problem. That's denial. She violated the first step to recovery.
Unfortunately, people in denial start thinking straight (generally) only until it's too late, in her case, when she'll be on a hospital bed breathing with a tube.
In that case, the only positive thing that we the people should do is remove her from the internet and her enablers.
Live, she doesn't need to work, eat, move etc, because she has an audience that gives her thousands a week. That's enabling.
She's famous because of her ED. People go to see her to either shame her, look if she's still alive, try to help her, or, the worst, to fetishize her. Every member of her audience (well at least the majority) are enablers. They enable her denial and ED.
Not only she is hurting herself without really knowing it, or admitting it, but she's also hurting her young audience, conducting them to EDs.
I'm against cancelling, but she's dangerous to little girls (and maybe boys) with her denial and body checking.
You have to be strong to get through this life, and understand that unless YOU take charge of YOUR life, you will not make it. She's 26, yet seems like a child. I believe whatever happened with her to begin with, caused her to stop maturing and that she is stuck around the age her issues started.
Only Eugenia can save Eugenia. Sad but true.
@@jannety100 at most at sub Saharan are, overall almost 3 millon people,Just Google it
This video was not only incredibly informative it was also very compassionate. Thank you 🙏
Yupp. She needs to help herself. No one can. She's a grown woman and she needs to WANT to get better. Sadly it seems like she doesn't want to.
Her parents cover up for her rather than getting her help. That's what's really sad. They should have done an intervention, not her friends.
you have no idea if they have or anything about their personal life. You should back off.
None of us actually know anything about her family. Constantly demonizing them isn't helpful.
She lives with her mom facts are facts right??
WHAT?!? Your content is demonetized?!? WHY?!? Does UA-cam hate information?!?
Also- congratulations on your own recovery and your work with those at risk and, finally, your cogent, sensitive explanation of eating disorders and then Eugenia in particular.
You are absolutely right about how anorexia works. Good job making people aware. I’m 57 years old and struggled with anorexia in High School and College. To this day I struggle with body image challenges.
I realize there is no help for her. I am concerned about the children watching her chanel. Just today, I've seen children ranging from 11 to 17 that can trace their eating disorders to watching her.
I understand the concern, kids are very susceptible after all. I do think though, that even if EC was removed from any platform, those individuals will still look for other places to find triggers. I've seen many many proana Twitter accounts, full of Bonespo and Thinspo threads, with hundreds, if not thousands of likes and retweets. Some of these accounts have thousands of followers, too. I think Mia is right, the only good way to help Eugenia is to stop engaging altogether. No comments, no views, no sweet messages of encouragement and care, or comments explaining to her how damaging her videos are, because unfortunately none of this is helping at all, none of this is making any difference. It's actually making the whole situation worse. I apologize for the long message, I hope I didn't come across as rude or disrespectful in any way. Stay safe and take care.
I watched her for motivation too water fast for 45 days but I knew that was the plan.... Im sure others do similar
@@NeneChan203 I think y’all are both right, and that’s what makes it so difficult for me to decide where I land on this issue... some people actively seek out thinspo in other ways, and for those people, deplatforming won’t help. But I also think that due to her popularity, a lot of young people start the eating disorder because of her channel. Maybe she’s their only source of thinspo, or maybe they look elsewhere as their disorder progresses, but it doesn’t take away from the idea that Eugenia was the instigator. Maybe those people would’ve gone down that track regardless of whether or not they had watched a Eugenia video, or maybe not. How do you decide what’s best when you can’t get the information you need to make the best choice?
@@maggiewebber8220 She has not caused any eating disorders. That's not how they work. They begin within the person who gets the ED; she can INFLUENCE, she cannot GIVE anyone an ED.
@@kleptoclouds6117 I never said she GAVE the ED to them. I said people likely started their eating disorder because of her channel. Emphasis on “started.” It’s a very real phenomenon that there are triggering events for an ED. I also elaborated saying that she is an instigator. Again, doesn’t mean she’s the sole reason- just means she contributes to a large degree for some people
I remember when people told me I needed to eat and I looked sick and they could see my spine. I'd laugh. I thought they were jealous. I had no idea what I actually looked like. When I look back now and see it makes me sick honestly. It took me getting severely sick and not being able to feel my face and body and being nearly bedridden with my entire stomach lining erroded away for me to understand.
This sounds so much like addiction. You cannot force a person to become sober, they have to want it. And they have to have a strong support system. Often their are comorbidities like depression or abuse.
I think sufferers do experience a kind of "high"
An ED IS an addiction. Full stop.
This is the only commentary on EC that should matter on YT right now. This is an educated individual with lived experience. Wow. Thank you for this insight.
Perfectly said! It’s frustrated me so much that so many have had such an unhelpful and damaging discourse regarding Eugenia for years. Your perspective is so important for people to hear.
Perfectly stated. Eating disorders are heartbreaking and I hope there is a way to do like you say and channel the compassion for her into systemic progress.
You said this so well. Yeah, I almost died at 21 from anorexia and I think its pretty obvious that eugenia has been completely hijacked by ana by now and there's no way to get her back... unless she hits her 🪨 bottom, nothing is gonna change. I hit my rock bottom when I started seizing on my back porch all alone at midnight on my birthday. I had multiple concussions from the seizures that I wasn't aware I was going to have. It happened JUST LIKE THAT. I do hope the best for the girl, but the future looks bleak
Thank you for making this video. I am shocked and saddened that there is only 1 residential center in your part of the world. Thank you for fighting to get it opened. I have a complex eating disorder history, and my adult daughter is acutely ill with ARFID. I've never ever seen anything as mysterious as ARFID. I live in a major city in America that has multiple resources and residential centers, but none of the centers will take her. There isn't even an OT for her. Her eating disorder therapist, regular therapist, and psychiatrist are doing their best. Our family is also doing our best. Even with everything going for people, it is still a fight for life. Thank you for educating people and sharing your expertise. I appreciate you.
Tbh at this point I feel like the "fans" that keep watching her videos and commenting her that they're "concern" about her, that she's hurting herself, that she needs help, that she's beautiful and all that stuff, are saying that stuff just because they can't stop their morbid curiosity of witnessing when she's going to get worse. At this points there are TONS of videos informing that those kind of things only keep her doing bad things, and people keep doing that deliberately. I'm startin g to feel they're doing it on purpose cause we all know that those things don't help her and just make her situation worse :/
The platforms should not allow her to post anything. They are the true problems by condoning her behavior. Her not being allowed to flaunt it would be the first step toward any chance of recovery.
Thank you for not including any photos of her in an exploitative way!
This just reinforces the message I left as a mental health therapist & nurse that people should for her best interests, not the eating disorders, unsubscribe & not leave any comments; simple as the ED doesn't get fed like it has done for the past ten years if you'll pardon the phrasing! I went through this living hell for nearly 20 years myself. My opinion is not in a way derogatory way but to unsubscribe; at her bmi she's lucky to be alive & worked in this industry now for 10 years, she doesn't have time on her side. Get back to social media once you're well into recovery; she could even utilise the platform to help other people.
Re: the "That's what eating disorders do" comment, maybe since she has been online since around her ED started, the online community is just an extension of her disorder for her now with the constant criticism/ analyzing etc
Eugenia can't be saved ...but we acknowledge how she is also being protected by the very people who own these platforms. Eugenias spaces are heavily monitored and filtered ,especially her twitch. A women can post a photo of herself in a bikini and be banned however Eugenia is left alone. If you say anything involving the way she looks, even from a place of genuine concern you're kicked out her chats. Thousands of cries from people who really do love her to the CEOs and establishments have went ignored for years. I totally understand the meaning of this video but when you have someone who's being protected and enabled from the top....If the people that are running the show don't see an issue and have excepted this as content then why would Eugenia ever think she's got a problem?. The people who really do have the power are allowing this to continue to avoid litigations and losing money. Eugenia is a protected member of social media and as long as that continues she's comfortable where she is
This is the sad reality, it all comes down to money!
Acting against her could be seen as discriminatory as well as being a slippery slope for many other creators.
Ummmmm I'm sorry but do you really think big CEOs for twitch and UA-cam really have the time to think about protecting Eugenia cooney? Shes the LAST thing people like that think about. Heck shes probably not even on the LIST of things, they think about. Come on. If a anything it's her mods.
The only one who can save her, and any of us broken sinners, is Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can save us from our sins and heal us from the sins done unto us. The Biblical Gospel is the only message in this world that can truly change us and make us new.
One of my daughters has a heroin addiction I can’t save her unless she wants help . This Ed disorder is the same thing. I recovered from ED years ago after suffering with it for 20 years I met a recovered ED person and she looked great and I wanted to get better and stop looking like a skeleton something just clicked in my head and I recovered. I do suffer from OCD and must do 10 k steps a day but at least that’s a healthy habit….There was no UA-cam back then …. I’m guilty of doing a message video to Eugenia months ago it didn’t help just like I can’t help my own daughter. This was a great video and everything your saying is true. Ty for doing this…..
Sending you and your daughter all my love. It’s not much but you’re in my thoughts.
@Sophie Howard well I know my ocd is related to ED but at least walking 10 k steps Monday to Friday is better than what I use to do…… this sickness is surely a mental disorder ….
@@unicornalq11 I appreciate that so much thank you
Also ty for keeping my comment up because all the other channels don’t seem to like this comment idk why…..
@@wolfgangproductions7402 Heroin is nontoxic.. all the problems from heroin are due to its illegality.. If an addict is supplied a good clean affordable supply they can live a normal life with no health problems... I'm a 39 year old heroin addict, I have been using drugs daily since the mid 90s and I have all my health and work full time.
I always felt that her home life played a huge roll in her ability to A: recovery
B: acceptance of her own state of health
I wish someone who knows her in real life would call APS.
I hope this video gains more visibility! People really need to hear it
Ever since I heard about Eugenias situation, I've been thinking about how influencer culture is almost tailor made for eating disorders. Thank you for putting it into words and validating my thoughts!
I couldn't agree with you more. She's in a perfect storm right now. I pray the clouds part for her soon.
Thanks for this video. I was just thinking about all this yesterday; I've seen Creepshow Art brought up a lot the last week or two, and my only context for them is someone recommending their Eugenia videos, so those feelings have been bubbling up again. I don't deal with an eating disorder, so I can't speak to the specific ins and outs of eating disorder recovery, but I do absolutely know from (ongoing) experience with other mental health issues that _you_ have to be the driver of your own change. Other people can be there, but they can't do it all for you. I hope framing it in these more blunt terms -- you aren't helping, talking about her and to her like this only affirms her eating disorder, everyone can recover but not everyone will -- will get some people to understand and back off. Especially the people I saw playing sleuth back in the day, and who may well still be around; people sharing timestamps and angle comparisons and speculation as if there's a code to crack that will lift her out of her disorder and her bad support system, as if this is a fictional narrative where a final twist in the darkest hour makes everything turn out ok, and not real life where we are all complete strangers to her with no say over her mind and body.
True my friend died with anorexia nervosa she wouldn't listen even on her death bed it's like alcoholic u can't help them unless they want help
I am posting this in every single comment section and discussion I see about her. This was SO HELPFUL AND THOROUGH AND ACCURATE. Thank you
You made SO many good points. I'm still struggling with my ED, and I found myself nodding and agreeing with you on just about everything. Thank you for this.
I started to recover because I didn't want to be admitted to hospital.
I relapsed a few months in and my mental health in general went downhill, and ended up being hospitalized because I became a danger to others ( I was also a danger to myself but MH services don't care about that)
I learned to play chess in hospital and eventually I had a choice - keep playing chess and recover from your ED, or keep losing weight and quit chess because you lose the energy. I chose to keep playing chess.
I'm convinced these people bother to leave that type of comment under her every video just to feel better about themselves tbh. No one actually thinks she's going to recover cause she read YOUR comment out of the millions she gets daily. Right?
Thank you for your feed back. I wish there was some way we could encourage her gently without feeding the disorder. Her You tube channel is monatized and probably others channels she has. You tube popped up with her videos. This video of yours popped up and I watched to see if there was something we could do to encourage her carefully in the direction to recover Until she see it herself and takes the step in that direction there is really nothing to be said.
Thank you for taking the time to answer questions and giving us insight. I am do glad you were able to find your way out of it and helping other to find their way to safety. Hope Thanksgiving and Christmas of 2023 finds you and your Family healthy and happy. Happy New Year 2024
So well said. People are doing the exact opposite of being helpful towards her. There's a lot of plain old bullying and hatred mixed in there as well. I keep trying to explain this to people but they think they know better.
There are no eating disorder clinics near me. Ive struggled my whole life with both anorexia and bulimia.. I agree 100% that if you have time to make videos and comments and posts and blogs then you most definitely have the time to help your own community and real work that will change peoples lives.
As someone who last year regularly visited the subreddit, this was a very well thought and made video, I applaud Mia once again. She shows both empathy and intelligence at the same time.
At this point, I do wonder if physically restoring her body weight would at least buy her some time. (TW suicide, hidden I hope by the length of the comment)
If I were to jump from a roof by my own will, they would not "respect" my wish to end it all. They would try their best to save me and try to make me change my mind. They might not be successful, but they would try. That's why to me it's so frustrating to see Eugenia go down that path to fame in front of a lot of young viewers. It's unfair to her, and it might give someone the idea to try to become famous by her same method, especially if that hypothetical person already struggled with an ED.
YES. oh my god you could not have explained this better
The best way to help her is to take her off of UA-cam, Twitch, or whatever platforms she streams on because people with eating disorders love attention. Like you said in this video, whether people are saying negative or positive things about her disorder feed off of that attention. I also believe taking her out of her home and placing her in medical care would be very helpful because from what I've seen her mother does nothing to discourage her from her unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. But the issue is that both of these things are choices she has to make. We can't help her.
Thank you. This is a heartbreakingly beautiful video. I needed to watch this. I feel so bad for EC. Thank you for giving this perspective. It's a very healthy stance to put our energy into creating systemic change about EDs.
As someone who is currently suffering from an anorexia relapse, this is really insightful to watch. I think everyone’s situation is very different but overall it tends to be a control and trauma response mechanism, either conscious or subconscious. I think it’s so hard to overcome because it’s a response to subconscious issues.
In terms of Eugenia’s situation, we will never know the truth but the thing that is so disturbing is her whole livelihood (her UA-cam career) is so centred on morbid curiosity for how sick she is.
She fully knows what she is doing, e.g. frequently body checking and even dropping hints that she’s been feeling poorly /has a bad cough and ‘doesn’t know why’ when she was out of recovery (almost to validate that she was still sick ). It’s a complex one as she is very unwell and her illness fuels her to do these things. However, many other people don’t body check and post themselves online in the same way as she does, despite being sick, so therefore she is culpable in quite a significant way.
You didn’t hear a thing this expert said.
That’s what the illness does. You wouldn’t say a person with C$nicer went out and got cancer and are now all over the internet telling their dad story and showing all their symptoms as soooo many do, would you say these things about them and their illness.
Why are YOU on here commenting l? What do
YOU get out of it?
Everything is a mirror and some need them too
you are such a good person for putting this out there. Thank you. Mental illness is a real thing and we all need to take part in figuring some of it out.
I had anorexia as a young teenager and I don't mean to sound flippant, but what cured it for me was literally just smoking weed. I wonder if Eugenia smokes pot? Worth a shot. The thing about anorexia is the more others try to force food onto you, the more adamantly you starve yourself. Obviously getting high is rarely the best solution to a mental illness, but I mean in my experience it simultaneously made my neurotic worries about gaining weight fade away and stimulated my appetite. And eventually it just became second nature to me and I got to the point where I don't need to smoke to overcome it, I don't have those anorexic pangs of worry over eating whatever anymore.
Omg that's pretty much how I overcame my anorexia as a young teenager too. Kinda wish I hadn't gotten into smoking it re: lung health and some other psychological effects I ended up suffering from, and I've since stopped, but I'm not sure what would have happened with my eating disorder if I hadn't. It totally stripped away the excess self-control that was destroying my life. So I'm grateful I did it for that, at least. It's definitely a powerful natural medicine.
"You are not talking to her ,You are talking to the eating disorder and she is LOVING IT" this.
This. This this!!!.
These points are really important, people obsessing over her looks is really enabling
My eating disorder never got too bad, but after i was recovered, i started doing drugs, smoking, and drinking. I hate the way i am, always thinking about getting high. I hate how tired i get, i know I'm damaging my body and digging myself an early grave. I know all of that and im trying to quit, but i still relapse and go back on promises that i made to my family and to myself. I have a love/hate/love relationship with substances and its crazy how much i use them to cope (and how often im not sober). My dad's supportive, my mom is weird ab it so im not talking to her, and my therapist is doing her best to help me.
Its still my choice to use, though. To light a cigarette, overdose on otc meds, drink until i throw up. I hate it doing it and it often feels like i don't have a choice, like something's possessing me and physically making me use. But i know it's not true. The truth is that it's easier to go on a downward spiral than to take the long path uphill that is recovery. My family cant do a thing to stop me and something about that is both freeing and terrifying, and it's the same case for Eugenia. I hope that she recovers, but that's her choice alone to make. She's either in denial (or more likely), she's accepted that she's gonna die young and isn't going to address it. This is out of anyone's hands but her own, i hope that she'll be able to get out if it.
Thank you for the courage to articulate and share your honest assessment. It's troubling. As humans, we often mistake activity for progress. Nothing we can do can make her progress to health. Only what she does can.
It's better to just spread awareness and support your local clinics.
This video is so important. I hope all the drama channels see this.