Aang: They died naturally Katara: You completely sunk their battleships in water causing a vacuum effect that sunk them with the ship Aang: Water is natural
Uh... The Avatar Day episode where he was formally convicted of killing Chin or whatever that dudes name was as Kyoshi may have been a Kangaroo Court... But it was still a formal conviction.
You forgot the number one rule of fiction: henchmen don't count as people. The hero will always kill henchmen, then refuse to kill the villain because "they don't kill"
aang wasnt in control in the avatar state, and in the northern air temple he had the intent to just make them retreat alao huge difference between him defending himself and premeditating to kill Ozai, thats the difference between murder and manslaughter
faith in humanity: deserted. now it sounds like writers make the soldiers even worse of a fate than real life. because, soldiers are just following orders. the real 'evil' are usually their leader(s).
I noticed that after 99% of the scenes of destruction, it shows the “victims” crawling out from whatever they were in, or talking with each other afterward. It got more consistent as the show went on
This reminds me of one scene in the finale where one of the White Lotus fought off a bunch of Fire Tanks. Said tanks were launched into the air and stacked on top of each other! Moments later, the pilots are shown crawling out in a daze. That made me giggle!
@@thatonepipsqueak887 I remember the scene where Sokka takes control of the airship and just dumps the entire crew in the middle of the ocean, and even the guys in armor swim back to the surface.
When the tanks climbed the cliffs to assault the Mechanist’s home and one gets knocked off only to fire another grappling hook, tumbling and falling and slamming against the cliff side, that was absolutely unsurvivable, yet they survive regardless. “Did you die?” “Yes! But I lived!”
@@thespider7869 I think the last season where they went to watch a play about themselves. There was a scene with Jet and he crawled under a bucket or something... And one of them asked "Did Jet just die?" And I think Sokka replied "you know it was really unclear"
You forget the mosquito hornet or whatever that thing was that tried to take Momo in the Desert episode. It's not a human, but still, he sliced that thing in half.
@@CesarACastillono they confirmed he killed it. When aang was talking about not taking a life, he was talking about human life, although he does value all life. The wasp was the only thing he’s ever killed, and that was because he had just lost Appa and was super pissed off. It was basically a lapse in judgement
Don't forget the three fire nation guards in The Blue Spirit climbing up the latter when he just airblasted them towards the ground at mach 3. Those people are *dead* dead and he definitely meant to do that Also, the war balloon that Aang decided to Hindenburg Maneuver in The Day of Black Sun Part 2. Or, how about the (completely innocent) Earth Kingdom castle guards that Aang threw into the water, which he then proceeded to freeze over. there was about a second between them falling into the water and Aang freezing it over, they totally drowned.
The aiships operated on hot air and ozais airship clearly wasn't destroyed. Only 3 propellers needed replacement and their corresponding axles and transmission gears
@@divoulos5758no not that, they're talking about during the invasion, when Aang pops one of the smaller air balloons hundreds of feet in the air. Those guys definitely plummeted to their deaths
To be fair, that was the ocean spirit and the avatar spirit, not Aang himself... he doesn't even know what happened... I think what he meant is that he never tried to kill anyone... not counting the times that the Avatar Spirit (which has Kyoushi as a part of it) did so...
@@TheDeathmail What about the people he freezes under the water in the episode where they go to confront the Earth King? Go re-watch it. When Katara pushes the soldiers into the water, most of them pop up before Aang freezes the water. But some don't. Some men are still under that ice.
Dude blasted those guys' sand speeders, their way of escaping the desert encounter, possibly their only way of reaching any type of shelter in time. He wasn’t planning to take prisoners.
Aang: they only wiped out my entire race, had a 100 year war and tried to exterminate every other race too! he deserves to live! Also Aang after someone hurts an animal:
@@kazumakurogane497 Exactly. Like when it comes to A:TLA, theres little to nothing to complain about. But if I could change one thing, it would be that. He should of wanted to kill Ozai the most out of anyone, but changed his mind after seeing the error of his ways at the end.
Let’s not forget the time he cut the top off of somebody’s hot air balloon in season 3! That’s a very obvious death right there that cannot logically be explained away. Both Katara and Aang use air bending and water bending respectively to pop and slice open fire nation hot air balloons hundreds of feet above the ground. That’s intentional murder, and there’s no getting around it.
not to mention escaping prison with (masked) zuko and plunging waves of Ladder troops to their deaths at a rate FASTER than it would have taken them to reach the ground "on their own terms" meaning if they would have died falling on their backs normally they just did that at mach 1 with Aang's help
I think a (fair) court would agree with her, honestly, at least if Earth Kingdom courts define murder anything like English common law does. The requirement for "malice aforethought" can be satisfied by proving that the accused took extremely dangerous action with complete disregard for the safety of the victim. Chin's stubbornness may have led him to stand his ground, but Kyoshi's actions are what made the ground unstable, and she didn't even _try_ to move him out of the way, or even _suggest_ that he move back. Of course, if we consider the two as being _at war_ with each other, it's legally _almost impossible_ for Kyoshi to have "murdered" Chin (it would be merely "homicide", not that the legal technicality would make Aang feel better), but if we treat them as just two people in dispute, as everyone in the show seems to, I'd say Kyoshi's _at minimum_ guilty of some species of manslaughter.
Aang definitely 100% killed that Buzzard Bee creature in the episode "The Desert". Every other "Kill" in this video we have to accept happened but they couldn't necessarily go into detail about it because it was a kid's show. Like Jet's death in Book 2. Perfect example of a death we just have to accept. But the only kill or death the show actually shows and highlights is the Buzzard Bee creature.
Well, there's also the fact these people survived "fatal" situations. To the point that they can swim in full body armor! Now, unless that armor is like, Leather or something else just ridiculously light, that shouldn't be possible. I just chock it up to super human durability. After all, Zuko and Iroh can break steel without much effort.
They may have died, but ever death done by the ocean spirit isn’t really aangs own doing. All he did was let the ocean spirit take over his body. It’s pretty clear he’s not entirely in control.
@@sophiadebar382 It was still done partially by his hand. The Ocean Spirit may have done the deed but it couldn't have done so without the power of the Avatar. It's just like the Winter Soldier debate. Bucky himself was innocent, but Buck is stall partially the Winter Soldier and as such by association (it's technically still his body after all) is also responsible for each death the Winter Soldier caused.
This is def how I see it. I can see Zuko Katara and Toph Sokka and Suki looking at him like he's stupid thinking he hasn't killed anyone and it's in character
I could see the number of deaths Aang has been responsible for being part of why Zuko sided with Azula in Ba Sing Se. So far as he knows Aang has voluntarily killed hundreds, if not thousands, of his people. The first ironclad ship, the Gloire, was a french vessel with a complement of 570 people. The Gloire is probably comparable in size to the Fire Navy ships, so let's assume that each ship involved in the siege had roughly 570 crew members + soldiers for the landing part of the invasion. If the entire crew of each ship was lost, then that's over 9,000 people. Even if they weren't all lost, that likely be at least 1,000 deaths. With those kinds of numbers how responsible Aang is doesn't really matter. Actually, being told he isn't responsible and he didn't act voluntarily, would be like being told whether or not a nuke goes off depends on the emotions of a child.
@@stareyedwitch Well I read this in the Fandom about how Actually Aang might not have killed anyone in the Ships, as Zhao was seen in the Fog of lost souls showing his body trapped there and the tidal waves would have put the others back to safety as it was under the Ocean spirits control trying to locate Zhao and defend the Water Tribe, not to attack.
I always thought that Earth Bender guy drowned more than anything, since quite a few characters have fallen/dived into water from great heights and survived. As for the fire benders I thought at the end it shows some of them getting out of the snow to show they did survive.
I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
@@TheMeta141 I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
@@gumtree541 I am pretty sure some of them were unconscious and probably drowned and who says all of them can swim. There were definitely sone fatalities.
Sokka was never against killing. And it was implied Suki fed people to the water dragon at her island. The show is not against killing; Aang’s arc is about staying true to your true self and making your own destiny, not that killing is never acceptable
@@tom-tom1095 Yes you can! Just do a starfish pose and rest anytime you're tired! (Jk jk but I actually do that in real life, really helps you to swim for hours and hours on end you should try it)
A generous reading is that they all survived through cartoon logic. In hindsight, what the writers probably could have written to justify Aang’s decision more is that when Aang is in Fire Nation school, he befriends a student who lost their father either in the Northern Tribe attack or some other run-in with Team Avatar. This could make Aang a little guilty and hesitant about killing Ozai especially with Zuko later joining the team.
To be fair to Aang, 90% of the times where he put someone in an obituary list involved him being in the Avatar state, so I am pretty sure Avatar Kyoshi would take control and operate on her "enemies can't be a threat if they are dead" policy
I view it as he never killed intentionally. It was either accidental, or during the Avatar State which he can’t always control his rage with. It’s one of the reason his mission to kill the Firelord was conflicting, because he has to willingly and intentionally kill him. Even though he didn’t of course it was conflicting for him.
Yeah. Kind of wish that conflict had come up b4 Day of the Black Sun. A really good time to bring it up would have been at the start of Book 2 when Aang's already conflicted about the destruction he causes in the Avatar State. That would have been a good time to plant the seeds for his conflict over how to deal with Ozai.
aang was in the avatar state at that time meaning he had no control over his actions. So really his past lives and ocean spirit were killing those soldiers
@@epicfan1598 actually HE DID HAVE CONTROL how do you think he stoped him self from killing ozai during there fight he was in the avatar state back then
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl You might argue with the fact his development in that moment had already grown, but if I'm correct he indeed allowed the spirit to enter and use his body which also makes him responsible for the deaths.
I really like Aang's character, but the only problem that i have with Aang is that he really believes he never killed anyone. The wasp in the dessert would like to have a word with him.
@@megablueflash1816 lol i mean for sure but he/it was def still killed by Aang regardless of whether it deserved or not. I also think it's worth mentioning that he very likely would have killed those sandbenders if katara hadn't stopped him.
Another arguement is in Season one episode 13 "The Blue Spirit" those people Aang blew down the ladders when escaping the prison for sure broke their necks or skulls
Uh that was the spirits using his body, the moon spirit and the water I think..idk but it was never Aang own soul/spirit doing it. He was in his state and he didn’t unlock his chakura yet so he had no control…that wasn’t Aang
My favorite is how Aang talked about how the monks taught him to resolve things peacefully, forgetting that at least Gyatso caught bodies before he eventually died.
@@spyjonsachurin2101 Yes? I didn't mean to imply that he went out to kill people. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Aang saying all life is sacred when he has definitely killed. He'd kill a Buzzard Wasp for trying to take Momo, but not Ozai for attempting to wipe out the Earth Nation?
Meanwhile, the monks: Gyatso: "Um, Aang? Remember when you found my body in the air temple, surrounded by dead firebenders?" Aang: "Yes, it was very sad." Gyatso: "How do you think they died?"
I mean, they tried to kill him and were shooting fire at him. Aang only used self-defense and if they died in the avalanche, they can only blame themselves.
My brother made me watch this show with him as an adult and I was pleasantly surprised. My favorite parts were all the times I would say “oh man they just killed aaallll those guys” or “Jesus Christ that man just got murdered by a child”.
Don't forget the most brutal death's in the series. Remember when Aang and the Blue Spirit were escaping from Zhao's prison, and they were trying to follow them up that one ladder and Aang just full force air blasts them back down off the ladder into the pavement. Yeah, brutal.
@@RedxLilxSleepy yeah. I have fallen into the Family Guy clips rabbit hole a few years ago, maybe there is a death scene more brutal there but the Earth Queen's death captured the brutality to me. Maybe it is because I was prepared for any brutal scenes on adult cartoons, you know like when the chill guy becomes even slightly angry, you know he is furious.
That's okay, the captain would like to talk with them and gather them at the bomb section. Yaa you know, celebrating some birthday. He really does care
@@Movies-ji9gw Nooooooo they wouldn't. A ship's crew are seamen, not soldiers. The seamen would be on the ships, operating them. The soldier carried on the ships were only extras that are usually not on ship.
The show does mention that Aang, while mostly a pacifist, gets a little blood thirsty in Avatar State. It's probably why Roku and others pushed Aang to actually master the elements and not rely on The Avatar State since there's a potential danger of losing control and hurting everyone around them
@@launder0 they are fire benders, theyy can just melt it into water and swim dah or jump from the mountain and commit suicide... Which not count as a kill for Aang and because that he dont got his killing spree :c
Notice how when speaking to Kyoshi, Aang said something along the lines of “technically you didn’t kill him- he did it himself by being too stubborn to get out of the way” which I think really shows his mindset about all this. As far as he’s concerned, he is not acting with the purpose of taking a life, but rather solving a problem, and the difference between Ozai and those people, is that Aang would have to look Ozai in the eyes and acknowledge his humanity, and still kill him. It’s hypocritical and a childish mindset but it makes sense and turns Aang into a more well-rounded character than someone who is simply good or for the greater good. Aang is a child and he put his own spiritual needs first- an act that on some level could be considered selfish, but also very humanizing.
Kind of like Valentine from Kingsmen the secret service. He would gladly force most of the planet to wipe themselves out, but he felt horrible about shooting a man.
@@Edgethegreat weren't they soldiers of the fire nation, you know the one litterally everyone is at war with, I wouldn't say thats extreme they are very dangerous people
Speaking of Chin the great, another "Aang never kills" disproving moment is in the Kiyoshi trial episode when they show us specifically how Chin died from falling off of the cliff and then literally right after that Aang is airbending the attacking mercenaries off of that same cliff.
Also we see the same mercenaries later and we find out they are Colonel Mongke and the Rough Rhinos, the same who torched Jet's hometown and killed his parents.
Aang: I've never killed anyone all those people died naturally Kyoshi: Didn't we drown a whole army of soldiers Aang: Water is natural Kyoshi: You also threw dozens of people off a cliff Aang: Gravity is also natural
I always assumed it was just implied that those enemies were dead but they didn't want to show it on screen because of age ratings. But then like episode 58 suddenly Aang is concerned about killing the fire lord and now it's a thing. They never seemed to care in the past but now it's a problem. Might as well have deflected the lighting back at him and he'd just somehow survive because that's what happens to every other enemy.
ATLA operates on Marvel Comics logic: If you don't see a body, they ain't dead. If you see a body, there is a 50% chance they are dead. Note: This rule does not necessarily apply to characters who die before or at the beginning of the story.
This is exactly why I gave up on comics years ago. I was tired of the crossovers, the big storylines that supposedly change the status quo occurring every 6 months or so, and yes, the characters being killed off only to return a couple of years later like nothing happened. It just gets tiring after a while.
In _Dune_ the Bene Gesserit have a saying: "Do not count a human dead until you've seen his body. And even then you can make a mistake." Considering the Bene Tleilax can clone people and produce Face Dancers that can imitate them, this is a good rule for them to follow.
@@Garrus1995 Yup. It just kills belief in the stakes. I'm having a similar fear with one piece. I just finished the Alabasta arc (SPOILERS). There were two meaningful side character deaths but then it was like "oh look they're alive yay." I really hope the show doesn't continue doing that.
I’m pretty sure he means he didn’t kill anyone as himself, as far as the Avatar State goes. He was never in control at those points until the end of the show. As for the Air Temple… by cartoon/Nickelodeon logic then yes they definitely could have survived. But realistically no, they’re definitely dead.
@@oliverrasmusson2362 except despite himself surviving such attacks he doesn’t do it because he doesn’t even want to risk major injury to Ozai. Doesn’t matter if one guy is stronger if they are unwilling to harm another even i. Self defense and the opponent is willing to do everything sans dying to win
It's like that meme. Good guy: Kills henchman. Henchman: "Wow." Good guy (to bad guy): "I'll never kill you because that would make me a murderer like you." Henchman: " *WOW.* "
I can kinda overlook Koizilla because it could have been the Ocean Spirit that was driving things, but the Battle of the Northern Air Temple was definitely Aang burying a bunch of people alive under an avalanche.
"I've never killed anyone!" "Aang, you've killed 193 people." "What? No I haven't!" "Sorry buddy, but Toph's right." "No, No! I've been non-lethal this whole ti-" "Aang... you've crushed 15 people in the last week with earthbending." "Katara's right. I can feel people's heartbeat, and not a single person has survived your earthbending." "No... what woul monk gyatso think..." "Monk gyatso killed at least a room full of firebenders, remember?" "Yeah, all of the air nomads fought back. One airbender can't drop two skulls, and there were hundreds at the southern air temple." "But... but my oath." "Aang, fuck the oath. it doesn't matter. I've killed tens of people in the underground earthbending tournaments." "And my boomerang is lethal for most people" "What about you, katara?" "aang, I haven't killed anyone." "see? you don't have to-" "Katara, don't lie to him. everyone you've frozen solid is dead." "Except zuko." "hey guys, zuko here." "Katara, kill him." "alright."
I love Kyoshi and her philosophy so much. Violence was always her last choice and she knew when she had to kill to save the greater good. Such a good character
That’s kinda the irony of life, lol. Some people are just way better for center situations. Example: Kiyoshi and Korra would of had a way easier time during the war did Aang did.
@@xavierrivera3407 The issue is that the opposite would have likely been true but thats precisely why the lives they lived were not the other way round. Though i did hear a funny theory ages ago about Korra being born to fight a war she was too late to fight precisely because Aang stalled his death so long. The idea was that had he died then Korra or atleast a similar water tribe member would have been born to fight the war that was raging. Kind of life setting up a printer to print what you need tomorrow but it jamming a page early. Since he didn't and even prolonged his life unnaturally his next incarnation influenced by the chaos of the world was born too late into a world that basically did not need her. Balance stuff missing its mark.
@@xavierrivera3407 Kyoshi would've been pretty cool to see. She, no doubt, would've made much more agressive and decisive moves. Roku would have stopped it before it even started if he hadn't been betrayed and left for dead, but I doubt it would have been simple to do so. So, it would be interesting to see that. On the other hand, Korra likely would've gotten herself killed because of how cocky and self-absorbed she was. Would've gotten herself defeated by someone equivalent to Amon or Zaheer or Kuvira and finished off for good rather than just having her bending blocked or having a near death experience.
I mean it's a matter of suspension of disbelief though, besides the vast majority the people in Avatar have metaphysical and superhuman powers. like a real life person surviving and avalanche and a person in Avatar surviving an avalanche is not the same thing, especially since Zuko went out of his way to dive into sub-zero glacier water that would normally freeze a regular person to death, but he used his firebending to survive it.
@@ninjatortise8958 Zuko shouldn't be used as an example of people who can survive extreme cold. He was instructed by Iroh and the knowledge he imparts isn't run of the mill. Don't forget, in the Boiling Rock, they use freezers as punishment for Firebending. If all firebenders could just firebend in the cold to stay warm, then this wouldn't be an effective punishment. Actually, the fact that it IS a punishment to temporarily take away a firebender's bending is proof that normal soldiers probably wouldn't survive an avalanche off of a mountain and being buried in the cold snow.
@@ninjatortise8958 naw they 100% dead like this dude said chin the conqueror died from a small cliff also Azula also on an air temple fell off her blimp and zuko was legitimately worried that she wasn’t going to catch herself and fall to her death if they could survive such a fall he wouldn’t of been worried
When aang is in the avatar state he's basically all his past lives combined. Some of them were fine with killing people. I like that aang's pacifism causes problems when he doesn't want to kill the firelord and they have to find a a way around it. Most kids shows would gloss over that.
The guys he sent off the cliffs of the airtemple in this video probably died. And he was NOT in the avatarstate there. So your argument makes no sense. I also liked Aangs pacifistic conflict, but the truth of the matter is, that Aang did stuff OUTSIDE THE AVATAR STATE, that realistically killed a lot of people but the writers just wrote it off as a funny scene and that's that. But realistically Aang killed those people happily.
@@ardynizunia9709 yeah him killing outside the avatar state are mistakes the writers made,but his argument about the avatar state still stands,we can even see aang is afraid of the avatar state
Lets not forget when they were stuck in the desert and we battling those vulture-bees. Aang deliberately sliced that one vulture-bee in half with Airbending, even tho Momo was already free from it.
A powerful moment is when they're in the dessert, Aang willingly kills one of those giant bees out of anger. They make a pretty dramatic scene out of it because it's so out of character for him
@@Floofy_Giraffe Criticism, especially well-mannered and funny ones, can go a long way. You learn from your mistakes. As a writer yourself, you should probably have known that it was directed at being humorous.
@@mariomia6721 I understand the intent was to be comical and posed as a joke. I simply wanted to make sure others (or if someone previously made a joke) wouldn't express toxicity in anyway, although yours is okay because you can clearly see it was meant to be a joke. I apologize for any confusion and misunderstanding.
Come to think of it, Aang even seemed to be against taking non-human lives, which is honestly very admirable. ...BUT MESS WITH HIS BISON, AND YOU'RE DEAD MEAT! >:)
@@baalfgames5318 Can you blame him if someone not only stole your pet but one of the last few creatures to native to your culture as well your best friend I think I'd be pissed too. Plus he didn't know whether Appa was OK or not and as far as he knew they could have been planning to kill Appa
If anyone tried to steal my dog like how people's pets are sometimes sadly stolen in China they'd be dead meat. Not everyone in China does that but it's pretty fucked up that some people do that and that there are no anti animal cruelty laws
There's also the bug Aang tore in half in the desert and in Ba Sing Se he froze some water after putting some guys under it. Avatar ice is always thick enough to walk on, so they couldn't break through. They drowned. For sure.
Just like general zhao everyone on these ships just passed to the spirit world with their bodies no killing here just teleportation to the spirit world.
I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
You can almost argue that he never murdered anyone. He killed plenty, “in self defense,” which seems acceptable to air nomad values as they did have a martial arts system. Even if it was explained to be mainly dodging we see aang was definitely taught to hit people with air with enough force to send them out of or even through buildings and that’s not exactly non-lethal. What he seemed to struggle with was the idea of looking someone in the face and accepting the responsibility of judging them unworthy of life then carrying out that sentence by killing them in cold blood.
Yes! It’s looking a person in the face and taking their life… not causing casualties for faceless people in self defense, but making the conscious decision to use his power with the soul intent to murder the other person.. even if for a good cause, as a 12-13yo it’s more than understandable for him to be struggling morally with the decision
At the end of the day lives were indeed taken by his actions. Tell yourself whatever you need to, but for him to say he’s never killed anyone shows a traumatized child denying his own actions, which is more humanizing that him just being all “I did what I had to for the greater good”
I dont think killing in self defense or an unintentional kill is acceptable for air nomads. If you guys read the kyoshi novels, kyoshi's adoptive father was an air nomad and he git shamed and banned from the air temples because he drowned and killed a whole pirate fleet unintentionally.
Besides, him in Avatar state doesn't count. He wasn't controlling his actions. That avalanche though is damning, but let's use Batman logic for that one.
@@haleyh6921 Perhaps, but it Aang being a child doesn't justify the deaths of innocent people who where either doing their jobs or just being involved in the wrong situations... What the author of this comment meant is that no matter if he tried to be as pacifistic as he could he still is human and no god. He still makes mistakes and it's impossible for him to be a godlike creature who never destroys. Whether he was a kid or an adult wouldn't have changed a thing.
@@TheMaskedNate being a god-like creature who never destroys isn't a what is being claimed. Plenty of mythologies have gods being destructive and wreaking havoc on mortals. Second off, if anything, the Avatars are the closest thing to dieties or higher powers in universe other than the spirits and maybe Lion Turtles. Aang has his standards partly because of his duty to uphold peace and bring justice as the Avatar, but also because of his identity as an Air nomad and Airbending master.
Also, in the finale, he literally shot down Ozai’s airship. It hit the ground and *exploded*, ain’t no firebender getting out of that. What about them, Aang?
@IdiotamSpielen ok but still Anag is a murder like the guy on the video said he created a ferking avalanche and that killed a lot of people and I mean a lot of people so even if the airship thing doesn't count he still murdered a bunch of people and in real life he would be charged with the death penalty
@@Jack-ol1io For the avalanche, there were not that much snow and these soldiers are fire benders. At least a good part of them. I'm not sure they would die from this. But the fight on the sea are something else. How people can even swim in their armors? Are they made of wood!
@@orelliaorellia142 bro you saw how big that avalanche was even there fire bending wouldn't be enough too stop it and even by some sort of miracle they did stop the avalanche it couldn't stop the fall they were up sooooo high like mountain level high and no amount of fire bending can stop that kinda fall plus the people who got destroyed by that avalanche where pretty weak fire nation soldiers so there fire bending is probably not even that strong now if they were azula power level maby they could of survived but none of them were even close to azula level they were all just normal weak fire nation soldiers
Immediately after the avalanche, there's a shot of the guys sticking their heads up from the snow to directly and obviously show the viewer he didn't kill them. As for Avatar state stuff, I'd argue that's more the other Avatars taking the wheel.
Also, it was just water. Like, yea, its deadly. But you can argue he just used the water to push them out of the city and such. Especially keeping in mind that he was im the avatar state, and was being influenced by the water spirit, hed have amazing control over the water. So even if it looks overly powerful, he could have just bended the water around the soldiers and grabbed them, taking them along with the water. As for the ships, I dont fully remember the episode, but from what i remember he mostly just pushed them back out into the water and maybe sunk them. But that doesnt mean he killed anyone on the ships
you could definitely chalk this up to him being young. i dont remember if we've ever seen him say this as an adult but yall gotta remember how he really was just a kid
I interpreted it as he never used his violence "with the purpose" of taking a life, not that he's never killed anyone. The purpose was defense more so than the will of killing fire nation. This doesn't void the quote from criticism, because it wasn't exactly clear whether they meant that or chose to ignore part of Aang's season 1 actions.
I agree. The examples shown are all arguably self defense. Not to mention this clip is in context of Aang having to mentally prepare to kill the fire lord, not reacting to a aggressor in the moment.
And people mention a lot of weird cases. Like the Kyoshi one (even the video here). The difference is that Kyoshi was making lava out of separating tectonic plates. Then, Aang in Avatar State before he can control it, is just not Aang. Finally, the bugs in the desert: They were sleepless, they were desperate, they were actually dehydrated, under torching sun (45 ⁰C), under huge stress, under attack, on top of the teeny tiny small background pressure of a war, and the more they waited, bigger the chance of a kidnapped Appa just dying. No judge or lawyer whatsoever would qualify as "choices" anything made by those humans under such strong physical inanity, deprivation, self defense, state of necessity, and moral coercion. Winter Soldier has more chance of being held responsible in court than those kids there (which means, impossible).
@@elderlyoogway it’s arguable that he isn’t fully aware or at least in control when in the avatar state. The fire Benders in the snows slide could have easily protected themselves.
In other words, if you can avoid killing someone, you should. Honestly, I think that, if he'd failed to find any other solution, he would probably have killed Ozai. But he _did_ find another solution.
@@elderlyoogway I wouldn’t even try to defend his actions in the dessert episode. I like the fact that that episode is the only example you can find where aang purposely attacked something that wasn’t attacking him or his friends in anyway but actually running away. It goes to show just how angry he was in that moment and the lengths he was willing to go. If people have a problem with this then they obviously don’t understand how good that scene was. Aang is human, just because he has beliefs does not mean he can’t slip up sometimes and that’s what that episode was trying to convey. Yes it was hypocritical but that was the point and it made aang a better, more humanizing character. I think that was great writing
Let's not forget that although you might argue that Aang never actually killed anyone *by will* he never stopped Katara or Toph from doing so, you actually want me to believe that those earthbenders defending the Earth King's palace and those Dai Li Toph crushed were alive? Katara literally froze a river with a lot of guards under it, I don't think the laws of science were on their favor there, and these are just two cases. Aang might not want to kill anyone, but for someone who was as convinced as he was to not kill the incarnation of the devil on earth, he doesn't seem that concerned about teaching his pacifist ways to his crazy team
Probably because he understands he shouldn’t shove his belief down his friends throats. He does try to teach them of his beliefs but he never forces it upon them to my memory.
I completely agree about the Northern Air Temple. Some "might" have survived, especially if they were fire benders. But almost all the non-benders died. 70% casualty rate, minimum.
Yet 100% survival rate when sokka dropped an entire crew dressed in armor from really high in the air. Hitting water from that high would most likely kill or at least maim you to point of drowning. Yet the crew survived. People have survived far worse than getting hit with snow in Avatar.Point is You can’t really apply real world logic to a cartoon. It’s called cartoon violence for a reason. The writers really just wanted to show off Aang’s air scooter and he covered some troops with snow, they survived. Snow like water is a pretty non violent way to subdue people in cartoons. Katara literally froze Zuko for an entire night at the North Pole. If the show were realistic he would have succumb to hypothermia or frostbite.
@@arrowheadstudio but...zuko almost did die from snow ailments. avatar isnt really like spongebob or dr slump it uses real world internal logic. otherwise combustion man and jet is still alive. the real reason most characters arent dying is because of the TV rating, because if we were reading the Kyoshi novels all these characters involved in these situations that should kill them, would kill them.
There was also those fire nation hot air balloons on the day of the black sun that Aang pierced through with his staff while being hundreds of feet in the air. There’s no way the fire nation soldiers on those balloons survived that fall.
@@Movies-ji9gw Not quite true. There's some differences in designs between fire benders and non fire benders, though. The non fire benders usually have catapults, man the tanks in the series, or have throwable explosives. It's not 100% consistent but the general rule I noticed is that the ones with skulls have fire bending, the ones with just helmets are non bender foot-soldiers.
He's also mentally 11-12 in ATLA, so I understand why he'd think that. his concept of killing is likely limited to the explicit taking of another's life, with no accounting for what happens in his Avatar state or the indirect killing that occurs through collateral damage, accidents, etc.
There's also the many wounded soldiers in general fong's base, one of the rough rhinos during the Kysohi trial (he blew him over a cliff) and of course, him swatting a desert wasp midair. It's been theorized that Gyatos also took many lives in a futile attempt to survive. That's one of the unjustly missed opportunities for a book 4: air. As he's learning abstract airbending (flight, astral projection, chakra mastery) and we see wholesome flashbacks of Gyatos teaching Aang basic airbending, Aang can learn to come to terms with the fact he broke the oath, lots of times, as did the other monks.
Aang: They died naturally
"You made them fall off a cliff"
Aang: Gravity is natural, right?
Aang: They died naturally
Katara: You completely sunk their battleships in water causing a vacuum effect that sunk them with the ship
Aang: Water is natural
@@WereCat56 Aang: I didn't kill anyone, mother nature did, I just lended a helping hand
Aang asking Katara
All of you gave comedy gold, thank you.
XD laughed so hard at this comment! I really can imagine him saying this!
I think Aang's point is that he was never formally convicted in court of any homicides.
I don't know why but this sent me.
That’s true, his record is clean from a legal standpoint which is what matters
Uh... The Avatar Day episode where he was formally convicted of killing Chin or whatever that dudes name was as Kyoshi may have been a Kangaroo Court... But it was still a formal conviction.
He technically was tho, granted it was for his previous life, but still
"Yeah but you can't _prove_ I killed anyone"
You forgot the number one rule of fiction: henchmen don't count as people. The hero will always kill henchmen, then refuse to kill the villain because "they don't kill"
That’s the realest thing I’ve ever read 💀
BRO FR THIS IS THE TRUEST THING IVE EVER SEEN
@@Pumpking1147 REALLL
aang wasnt in control in the avatar state, and in the northern air temple he had the intent to just make them retreat
alao huge difference between him defending himself and premeditating to kill Ozai, thats the difference between murder and manslaughter
faith in humanity: deserted.
now it sounds like writers make the soldiers even worse of a fate than real life. because, soldiers are just following orders. the real 'evil' are usually their leader(s).
I noticed that after 99% of the scenes of destruction, it shows the “victims” crawling out from whatever they were in, or talking with each other afterward. It got more consistent as the show went on
Thank you so much! But you can give whatever it is to someone else. Honestly though that is so sweet!
This reminds me of one scene in the finale where one of the White Lotus fought off a bunch of Fire Tanks. Said tanks were launched into the air and stacked on top of each other!
Moments later, the pilots are shown crawling out in a daze. That made me giggle!
@@thatonepipsqueak887 I remember the scene where Sokka takes control of the airship and just dumps the entire crew in the middle of the ocean, and even the guys in armor swim back to the surface.
@@zo0bithappy birthday
When the tanks climbed the cliffs to assault the Mechanist’s home and one gets knocked off only to fire another grappling hook, tumbling and falling and slamming against the cliff side, that was absolutely unsurvivable, yet they survive regardless.
“Did you die?”
“Yes! But I lived!”
And he murdered the cabbage merchant's business, repeatedly.
Brutal.
Yeah he died... but he survived
Why do you only have 126 likes
aang just made him work harder, hence cabbage corp in korra lol
Wdym he only shows up once?
Watch Analyzing Avatar
"Did Aang kill people?"
"Y'know, it was really unclear."
😂love the reference
Best comment here
where is it from??
@@thespider7869 ua-cam.com/video/4rRAkTkJi8Q/v-deo.html
@@thespider7869 I think the last season where they went to watch a play about themselves. There was a scene with Jet and he crawled under a bucket or something... And one of them asked "Did Jet just die?"
And I think Sokka replied "you know it was really unclear"
You forget the mosquito hornet or whatever that thing was that tried to take Momo in the Desert episode. It's not a human, but still, he sliced that thing in half.
I’m pretty sure he only “violently” knocked it outta the sky. Only one thump was heard when it fell
"All life is sacred, even the life of the tiniest spider fly caught in it's own web" - Aang. Buzz wasp :(
I thought it may have been a buzzard wasp.
It's a circle bird
@@CesarACastillono they confirmed he killed it. When aang was talking about not taking a life, he was talking about human life, although he does value all life. The wasp was the only thing he’s ever killed, and that was because he had just lost Appa and was super pissed off. It was basically a lapse in judgement
Don't forget the three fire nation guards in The Blue Spirit climbing up the latter when he just airblasted them towards the ground at mach 3. Those people are *dead* dead and he definitely meant to do that
Also, the war balloon that Aang decided to Hindenburg Maneuver in The Day of Black Sun Part 2.
Or, how about the (completely innocent) Earth Kingdom castle guards that Aang threw into the water, which he then proceeded to freeze over. there was about a second between them falling into the water and Aang freezing it over, they totally drowned.
Don’t know what your talking about man jheong jhenong clearly survived went through therapy and came back with a vengeance in season 3
The aiships operated on hot air and ozais airship clearly wasn't destroyed. Only 3 propellers needed replacement and their corresponding axles and transmission gears
@@divoulos5758no not that, they're talking about during the invasion, when Aang pops one of the smaller air balloons hundreds of feet in the air. Those guys definitely plummeted to their deaths
You could make a compilation of how many lives Aang managed to take.
“Did they just die?”
“You know, it was really unclear.”
"For the record, they are dead."
Youngboy better
How about that hornet?
@@michalkasak8996 yb did it better
@@Crimbtw Leave, wrong website
" *It'S nOt ThE jEdI wAy* "
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil."
@@armands3153 from my point of view the avatar is evil!
@@drvec4592 from my point of view you're evil.
@@danignazio3668 well in that case your spot on
@@drvec4592 Lol
Aang: I would never resort to violence unless absolutely necessary
Also Aang: *TELL ME WHERE APPA IS*
If you lose a dear friend who got kidnapped and potentially sold for money by some random bandits, would you remain calm once you find the culprits ?
It's was absolutely necessary
@@hushed4983real, appa importance > goku importance
"Violence isn't the answer. It is the question and the answer is yes."
Remember: Aang doesn’t kill people, drowning does 0.o
To be fair, that was the ocean spirit and the avatar spirit, not Aang himself... he doesn't even know what happened...
I think what he meant is that he never tried to kill anyone... not counting the times that the Avatar Spirit (which has Kyoushi as a part of it) did so...
Omfg i have to agree
Yup, the mexican cartel doesn't kill, they just put holes inside people and it's god who takes their livea
@@TheDeathmail What about the people he freezes under the water in the episode where they go to confront the Earth King? Go re-watch it. When Katara pushes the soldiers into the water, most of them pop up before Aang freezes the water. But some don't. Some men are still under that ice.
gravity does
Aang Vs. Ozai: he's still a human being. He should live.
Aang Vs. Those sandbenders: *Your free trial of living has expired*
Dude blasted those guys' sand speeders, their way of escaping the desert encounter, possibly their only way of reaching any type of shelter in time. He wasn’t planning to take prisoners.
@@rpgincorporated8302 Facts 😂
Aang: they only wiped out my entire race, had a 100 year war and tried to exterminate every other race too! he deserves to live!
Also Aang after someone hurts an animal:
@@kazumakurogane497 Exactly. Like when it comes to A:TLA, theres little to nothing to complain about. But if I could change one thing, it would be that. He should of wanted to kill Ozai the most out of anyone, but changed his mind after seeing the error of his ways at the end.
I mean.....he never said he's always in control. Rage moments don't count because in those moments he's not using violence, he becomes violent.
Let’s not forget the time he cut the top off of somebody’s hot air balloon in season 3! That’s a very obvious death right there that cannot logically be explained away. Both Katara and Aang use air bending and water bending respectively to pop and slice open fire nation hot air balloons hundreds of feet above the ground. That’s intentional murder, and there’s no getting around it.
not to mention escaping prison with (masked) zuko and plunging waves of Ladder troops to their deaths at a rate FASTER than it would have taken them to reach the ground "on their own terms"
meaning if they would have died falling on their backs normally
they just did that at mach 1 with Aang's help
Aang: But you didn’t kill Chin the Great, technically he fell to his death
Kyoshi: Personally i don’t see the difference
I love Kyoshi
This makes the comment about aang defending his murders by saying it's because of natural causes even more sense
@@ikeepscreamingbutgodwontan3132 "Gravity is a natural cause, they just fell to their deaths" lmao
I think a (fair) court would agree with her, honestly, at least if Earth Kingdom courts define murder anything like English common law does. The requirement for "malice aforethought" can be satisfied by proving that the accused took extremely dangerous action with complete disregard for the safety of the victim. Chin's stubbornness may have led him to stand his ground, but Kyoshi's actions are what made the ground unstable, and she didn't even _try_ to move him out of the way, or even _suggest_ that he move back.
Of course, if we consider the two as being _at war_ with each other, it's legally _almost impossible_ for Kyoshi to have "murdered" Chin (it would be merely "homicide", not that the legal technicality would make Aang feel better), but if we treat them as just two people in dispute, as everyone in the show seems to, I'd say Kyoshi's _at minimum_ guilty of some species of manslaughter.
Kyoshi literally said “I did it. Don’t take the kill away from me. Fuck you.”
Aang in court:
"That wasnt me, that was Kiyoshi"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"That wasnt me that was Kiyoshi"
"And who is Kiyoshi?"
"Me"
The judge: Understandable, have a great day
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When appa got kidnapped, bro was ready throw hands and go full on dark
Aang definitely 100% killed that Buzzard Bee creature in the episode "The Desert". Every other "Kill" in this video we have to accept happened but they couldn't necessarily go into detail about it because it was a kid's show. Like Jet's death in Book 2. Perfect example of a death we just have to accept. But the only kill or death the show actually shows and highlights is the Buzzard Bee creature.
No there’s real implication that it died tho
Stupid stupid stupid. If you speedran the show, the creature flew back up and away
Well, there's also the fact these people survived "fatal" situations. To the point that they can swim in full body armor! Now, unless that armor is like, Leather or something else just ridiculously light, that shouldn't be possible. I just chock it up to super human durability. After all, Zuko and Iroh can break steel without much effort.
They may have died, but ever death done by the ocean spirit isn’t really aangs own doing. All he did was let the ocean spirit take over his body. It’s pretty clear he’s not entirely in control.
@@sophiadebar382 It was still done partially by his hand. The Ocean Spirit may have done the deed but it couldn't have done so without the power of the Avatar.
It's just like the Winter Soldier debate. Bucky himself was innocent, but Buck is stall partially the Winter Soldier and as such by association (it's technically still his body after all) is also responsible for each death the Winter Soldier caused.
I used to think it's a plot hole. Nowadays I think it's just Aang not accepting what the hell he did.
LOL
This is def how I see it. I can see Zuko Katara and Toph Sokka and Suki looking at him like he's stupid thinking he hasn't killed anyone and it's in character
Probably is just a Plot hole
I could see the number of deaths Aang has been responsible for being part of why Zuko sided with Azula in Ba Sing Se. So far as he knows Aang has voluntarily killed hundreds, if not thousands, of his people. The first ironclad ship, the Gloire, was a french vessel with a complement of 570 people. The Gloire is probably comparable in size to the Fire Navy ships, so let's assume that each ship involved in the siege had roughly 570 crew members + soldiers for the landing part of the invasion. If the entire crew of each ship was lost, then that's over 9,000 people. Even if they weren't all lost, that likely be at least 1,000 deaths. With those kinds of numbers how responsible Aang is doesn't really matter. Actually, being told he isn't responsible and he didn't act voluntarily, would be like being told whether or not a nuke goes off depends on the emotions of a child.
@@stareyedwitch Well I read this in the Fandom about how Actually Aang might not have killed anyone in the Ships, as Zhao was seen in the Fog of lost souls showing his body trapped there and the tidal waves would have put the others back to safety as it was under the Ocean spirits control trying to locate Zhao and defend the Water Tribe, not to attack.
You know you’re a true fan when you can calculate Aang’s kill count
Agreed.
damn
Agreed
Ya
@@drfifteenmd7561 22th liker
To be fair, the northern air temple was in self-defence
I always thought that Earth Bender guy drowned more than anything, since quite a few characters have fallen/dived into water from great heights and survived. As for the fire benders I thought at the end it shows some of them getting out of the snow to show they did survive.
“How can snow kill anyone though it’s so soft”
-Aang, someone definitely naive enough to think that
They actually didn't die in the episode though so aang was right
hey aang see that pool of gold coins? jump in it's TOTALLY safe
@@TheMeta141 it’s so safe that a duck with a top hat can do it.
I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
@@TheMeta141 I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
I always thought it was funny how sokka toph and suki just murdered the entire crew of like 12 airships in sozin’s comet and it’s never addressed
Nah, after the end of it you see one of the ships they crashed into in the ocean with the crew all on the top
@@gumtree541 I am pretty sure some of them were unconscious and probably drowned and who says all of them can swim. There were definitely sone fatalities.
Sokka was never against killing. And it was implied Suki fed people to the water dragon at her island. The show is not against killing; Aang’s arc is about staying true to your true self and making your own destiny, not that killing is never acceptable
@@gumtree541 it’s just assumed that most of the men drowned after a period of time. You can’t survive floating in the ocean forever.
@@tom-tom1095 Yes you can! Just do a starfish pose and rest anytime you're tired! (Jk jk but I actually do that in real life, really helps you to swim for hours and hours on end you should try it)
A generous reading is that they all survived through cartoon logic. In hindsight, what the writers probably could have written to justify Aang’s decision more is that when Aang is in Fire Nation school, he befriends a student who lost their father either in the Northern Tribe attack or some other run-in with Team Avatar. This could make Aang a little guilty and hesitant about killing Ozai especially with Zuko later joining the team.
Some people underestimate how heavy snow can get.
It wasn't Aang. It was water, snow and gravity :)
Batman does this all the time c'mon.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." -Aang to every unnamed fire nation soldier.
That’s like stabbing someone and saying ‘it was the knife that did it I simply held it’
@@009.51 that's like hanging someone and blaming it on the rope
@@supercvnt It's like shooting someone and blaming it on the bullet
It’s like killing someone and blaming the concept of death
Remember that time where kyoshi was like:
“Yeah I killed that man and I’d do it again. What of it?”
Kyoshi doesn't give a fuck and I love her for it.
People still think she killed him? He kinda just fell lmao
And what I love is that she isn't a psycho, she kills when necessary. Love her novel
@@jayjonzu2682 Aang brought up that point too when he asked her for advice. She told him outright she would’ve done it anyway, so I think it counts.
I love kyoshi and I want a series that’s just her
To be fair to Aang, 90% of the times where he put someone in an obituary list involved him being in the Avatar state, so I am pretty sure Avatar Kyoshi would take control and operate on her "enemies can't be a threat if they are dead" policy
I view it as he never killed intentionally. It was either accidental, or during the Avatar State which he can’t always control his rage with.
It’s one of the reason his mission to kill the Firelord was conflicting, because he has to willingly and intentionally kill him. Even though he didn’t of course it was conflicting for him.
Yeah. Kind of wish that conflict had come up b4 Day of the Black Sun. A really good time to bring it up would have been at the start of Book 2 when Aang's already conflicted about the destruction he causes in the Avatar State. That would have been a good time to plant the seeds for his conflict over how to deal with Ozai.
Aang: "It wasn't me, it was the Ocean spirit!.... *That I let control my body."*
just like venom
aang was in the avatar state at that time meaning he had no control over his actions. So really his past lives and ocean spirit were killing those soldiers
@@epicfan1598 actually HE DID HAVE CONTROL how do you think he stoped him self from killing ozai during there fight he was in the avatar state back then
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl You might argue with the fact his development in that moment had already grown, but if I'm correct he indeed allowed the spirit to enter and use his body which also makes him responsible for the deaths.
In a court case the "I was possessed" argument wouldn't work.
I really like Aang's character, but the only problem that i have with Aang is that he really believes he never killed anyone. The wasp in the dessert would like to have a word with him.
Didnt die
He flew after being tossed to the ground
@@Ghostly_writer the one he split in half with an air blade?
Those wasps were asking for it to be fair.
@@megablueflash1816 lol i mean for sure but he/it was def still killed by Aang regardless of whether it deserved or not. I also think it's worth mentioning that he very likely would have killed those sandbenders if katara hadn't stopped him.
“I never took a life… on screen”
Another arguement is in Season one episode 13 "The Blue Spirit" those people Aang blew down the ladders when escaping the prison for sure broke their necks or skulls
Aang's logic: I never kill someone. If I do something, and you died, that's on you
"I didn't make Gordon cry, he made himself cry."
"I didn't make someone die, they made themselves die."
Bruh
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Uh that was the spirits using his body, the moon spirit and the water I think..idk but it was never Aang own soul/spirit doing it. He was in his state and he didn’t unlock his chakura yet so he had no control…that wasn’t Aang
My favorite is how Aang talked about how the monks taught him to resolve things peacefully, forgetting that at least Gyatso caught bodies before he eventually died.
He used violence for necessary defense
@@spyjonsachurin2101 Killing that Buzzard Wasp AFTER getting Momo back wasnt necessary defense.
@@machine1685 No Gyatso used violence for necessary defense
@@spyjonsachurin2101 Yes? I didn't mean to imply that he went out to kill people. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Aang saying all life is sacred when he has definitely killed. He'd kill a Buzzard Wasp for trying to take Momo, but not Ozai for attempting to wipe out the Earth Nation?
@@machine1685 ah I see what you’re saying
Aang: "this goes against everything I learned from the monks"
Also Aang: *causes avalanche that takes out dozens of firebenders*
Meanwhile, the monks:
Gyatso: "Um, Aang? Remember when you found my body in the air temple, surrounded by dead firebenders?"
Aang: "Yes, it was very sad."
Gyatso: "How do you think they died?"
@@blueberryoatmeal4009"It was probably the wind."
-Aang
I mean, they tried to kill him and were shooting fire at him. Aang only used self-defense and if they died in the avalanche, they can only blame themselves.
My brother made me watch this show with him as an adult and I was pleasantly surprised. My favorite parts were all the times I would say “oh man they just killed aaallll those guys” or “Jesus Christ that man just got murdered by a child”.
No one cares
@@erilaksmana450about you, we know
Don't forget the most brutal death's in the series. Remember when Aang and the Blue Spirit were escaping from Zhao's prison, and they were trying to follow them up that one ladder and Aang just full force air blasts them back down off the ladder into the pavement. Yeah, brutal.
This is not really related to your comment but the Earth Queen's death is the most brutal death I have ever seen from a cartoon.
@@SayaRabbitholeSimp you haven't watched a lot of cartoons then
@@RedxLilxSleepy yeah. I have fallen into the Family Guy clips rabbit hole a few years ago, maybe there is a death scene more brutal there but the Earth Queen's death captured the brutality to me.
Maybe it is because I was prepared for any brutal scenes on adult cartoons, you know like when the chill guy becomes even slightly angry, you know he is furious.
@@SayaRabbitholeSimp what about when pli had her head blown up with her own combustion bending
They probably survived
A single battle ship, historically speaking, is going to have a minimum crew of 400 people.
And he also says that he took out over a dozen and that was base. In the AS he wiped out a fleet. Also he took out airships and war balloons.
That's okay, the captain would like to talk with them and gather them at the bomb section. Yaa you know, celebrating some birthday. He really does care
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Yh but most of the soldiers would have disembarked for the invasion
@@Movies-ji9gw Nooooooo they wouldn't. A ship's crew are seamen, not soldiers. The seamen would be on the ships, operating them. The soldier carried on the ships were only extras that are usually not on ship.
He kills my sadness with his smile
" If you didn't see me killing people, i didn't kill anyone "
The show does mention that Aang, while mostly a pacifist, gets a little blood thirsty in Avatar State. It's probably why Roku and others pushed Aang to actually master the elements and not rely on The Avatar State since there's a potential danger of losing control and hurting everyone around them
That and if he’s killed in the Avatar state the cycle will end forever
yeah that doesn't explain the avalanche tho
@@bencherbryant-48 what cycle?
@@launder0 they are fire benders, theyy can just melt it into water and swim dah or jump from the mountain and commit suicide... Which not count as a kill for Aang and because that he dont got his killing spree :c
@@eayt5087 being the avatar is a cycle. If he dies in avatar state, there won’t be another avatar
Notice how when speaking to Kyoshi, Aang said something along the lines of “technically you didn’t kill him- he did it himself by being too stubborn to get out of the way” which I think really shows his mindset about all this. As far as he’s concerned, he is not acting with the purpose of taking a life, but rather solving a problem, and the difference between Ozai and those people, is that Aang would have to look Ozai in the eyes and acknowledge his humanity, and still kill him. It’s hypocritical and a childish mindset but it makes sense and turns Aang into a more well-rounded character than someone who is simply good or for the greater good. Aang is a child and he put his own spiritual needs first- an act that on some level could be considered selfish, but also very humanizing.
Kind of like Valentine from Kingsmen the secret service. He would gladly force most of the planet to wipe themselves out, but he felt horrible about shooting a man.
U but that really well in words
Brilliantly written and explained... 👏🏾
@@Edgethegreat killing Ozai would be an act of war, therefore making it 100% legal.
@@Edgethegreat weren't they soldiers of the fire nation, you know the one litterally everyone is at war with, I wouldn't say thats extreme they are very dangerous people
Aang be like: I didn't kill him, the plastic bag that I wrapped around his head did!
Aang literally played air hockey with those battleships
Speaking of Chin the great, another "Aang never kills" disproving moment is in the Kiyoshi trial episode when they show us specifically how Chin died from falling off of the cliff and then literally right after that Aang is airbending the attacking mercenaries off of that same cliff.
I always read it as Chin was so dense he couldn't swim. So it was not the fall that killed him but the water that drowned him.
@@TheLastSane1 Kyoshi also split the island off with lava if I recall correctly, so Chin may have Boiled…
Also we see the same mercenaries later and we find out they are Colonel Mongke and the Rough Rhinos, the same who torched Jet's hometown and killed his parents.
That Rough Rhino guy survived he’s in The Desert
@@Ledecral one could say he was “boiled in oil” …😅
Aang: I've never killed anyone all those people died naturally
Kyoshi: Didn't we drown a whole army of soldiers
Aang: Water is natural
Kyoshi: You also threw dozens of people off a cliff
Aang: Gravity is also natural
GoodBYE 💀
where's this natural fad coming from?
he sniped that bee that had momo
@@shamarstewart4964 air is natural
TRUE
I always assumed it was just implied that those enemies were dead but they didn't want to show it on screen because of age ratings. But then like episode 58 suddenly Aang is concerned about killing the fire lord and now it's a thing. They never seemed to care in the past but now it's a problem. Might as well have deflected the lighting back at him and he'd just somehow survive because that's what happens to every other enemy.
I mean those were just henchmen, wisyness only coms out for the evilest main villy
ATLA operates on Marvel Comics logic: If you don't see a body, they ain't dead. If you see a body, there is a 50% chance they are dead. Note: This rule does not necessarily apply to characters who die before or at the beginning of the story.
This is exactly why I gave up on comics years ago. I was tired of the crossovers, the big storylines that supposedly change the status quo occurring every 6 months or so, and yes, the characters being killed off only to return a couple of years later like nothing happened. It just gets tiring after a while.
In _Dune_ the Bene Gesserit have a saying: "Do not count a human dead until you've seen his body. And even then you can make a mistake." Considering the Bene Tleilax can clone people and produce Face Dancers that can imitate them, this is a good rule for them to follow.
@@wizardsuth Mentats are cooler then Bene Gesserit. They can calculate exact probability of someone being alive or dead.
@@Garrus1995 Yup. It just kills belief in the stakes. I'm having a similar fear with one piece. I just finished the Alabasta arc (SPOILERS).
There were two meaningful side character deaths but then it was like "oh look they're alive yay." I really hope the show doesn't continue doing that.
@@jacobstevens7046 Yeah that does happen a lot in One Piece, but it does get better.
I’m pretty sure he means he didn’t kill anyone as himself, as far as the Avatar State goes. He was never in control at those points until the end of the show. As for the Air Temple… by cartoon/Nickelodeon logic then yes they definitely could have survived. But realistically no, they’re definitely dead.
This even goes into the ending. Avatar state Aang was the only reason he beat the fire lord, but it was going to kill him until Aang stopped it.
during the black sun he just popped some balloons with some soldiers in their. pretty sure they went pepsi when they fell off several 100m.^^
@@masteroflag he actually could have beat ozai when he redirected the lightning
@@oliverrasmusson2362 except despite himself surviving such attacks he doesn’t do it because he doesn’t even want to risk major injury to Ozai.
Doesn’t matter if one guy is stronger if they are unwilling to harm another even i. Self defense and the opponent is willing to do everything sans dying to win
he shows how Aang killed all those guys at the Northern Air Temple.
Bat man logic: theyre just having a nap
Thank you so much for clarifying
It's like that meme.
Good guy: Kills henchman.
Henchman: "Wow."
Good guy (to bad guy): "I'll never kill you because that would make me a murderer like you."
Henchman: " *WOW.* "
Link to it?
Ah i remember that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@coolbeans5911 if so could you give a link? I’m really curious about it now.
Heroes explaining why killing the main villain will make them somehow evil yet killing off the henchmen still makes them saints
The wows getting more aggressive by the second.
Remember: Aang doesn't kill people, suffocation does! =)
P.S. Or gravity sometimes works too.
It’s the Airbender way.
@@crowsenpai5625 it’s the Batman way
You ever here of the wise Guru Laghima?
-Zaheer
Fire nation soldier suffocated to death whilst fighting Avatar aang
I can kinda overlook Koizilla because it could have been the Ocean Spirit that was driving things, but the Battle of the Northern Air Temple was definitely Aang burying a bunch of people alive under an avalanche.
He most definitely killed that Desert bee when it took Momo. Yknow when they were looking for Appa in season 2
"I've never killed anyone!"
"Aang, you've killed 193 people."
"What? No I haven't!"
"Sorry buddy, but Toph's right."
"No, No! I've been non-lethal this whole ti-"
"Aang... you've crushed 15 people in the last week with earthbending."
"Katara's right. I can feel people's heartbeat, and not a single person has survived your earthbending."
"No... what woul monk gyatso think..."
"Monk gyatso killed at least a room full of firebenders, remember?"
"Yeah, all of the air nomads fought back. One airbender can't drop two skulls, and there were hundreds at the southern air temple."
"But... but my oath."
"Aang, fuck the oath. it doesn't matter. I've killed tens of people in the underground earthbending tournaments."
"And my boomerang is lethal for most people"
"What about you, katara?"
"aang, I haven't killed anyone."
"see? you don't have to-"
"Katara, don't lie to him. everyone you've frozen solid is dead."
"Except zuko."
"hey guys, zuko here."
"Katara, kill him."
"alright."
That actually read like a conversation from the show, I can hear the lines. Excellent.
Ya! Monk Gyatso totally killed all those firebenders around him. XD
Sokka tends to blow people up or cause accidents that would/will kill them. By most calcs he has the highest kill count on the show.
lol the "hey guys, Zuko here"
I've read a lot of funny comments but this is the best by far
Kiyoshi's probably like "They die by my hands or they don't die at all."
Makes me realize Kiyoshi would have whooped Azula's ass
I love Kyoshi and her philosophy so much. Violence was always her last choice and she knew when she had to kill to save the greater good. Such a good character
That’s kinda the irony of life, lol. Some people are just way better for center situations. Example: Kiyoshi and Korra would of had a way easier time during the war did Aang did.
@@xavierrivera3407 The issue is that the opposite would have likely been true but thats precisely why the lives they lived were not the other way round. Though i did hear a funny theory ages ago about Korra being born to fight a war she was too late to fight precisely because Aang stalled his death so long. The idea was that had he died then Korra or atleast a similar water tribe member would have been born to fight the war that was raging. Kind of life setting up a printer to print what you need tomorrow but it jamming a page early. Since he didn't and even prolonged his life unnaturally his next incarnation influenced by the chaos of the world was born too late into a world that basically did not need her. Balance stuff missing its mark.
@@Merilirem my head is done
@@xavierrivera3407 Kyoshi would've been pretty cool to see. She, no doubt, would've made much more agressive and decisive moves.
Roku would have stopped it before it even started if he hadn't been betrayed and left for dead, but I doubt it would have been simple to do so. So, it would be interesting to see that.
On the other hand, Korra likely would've gotten herself killed because of how cocky and self-absorbed she was. Would've gotten herself defeated by someone equivalent to Amon or Zaheer or Kuvira and finished off for good rather than just having her bending blocked or having a near death experience.
“All life is sacred I don’t eat meat”yeah tell that to the fly creature u killed in the desert out of frustration
Aang: I've never used my bending to take a life.
(Also Aang creating an avalanche to knock fire nation soldiers off an air temple mountain)
Aang: I didn't kill him, I just let gravity kill them!
Batman: Exactly
Batman: FINALLY someone who gets it.
I've been saying Aang is like Batman though. Not Superman, Batman.
I mean it's a matter of suspension of disbelief though, besides the vast majority the people in Avatar have metaphysical and superhuman powers. like a real life person surviving and avalanche and a person in Avatar surviving an avalanche is not the same thing, especially since Zuko went out of his way to dive into sub-zero glacier water that would normally freeze a regular person to death, but he used his firebending to survive it.
@@ninjatortise8958 Zuko shouldn't be used as an example of people who can survive extreme cold. He was instructed by Iroh and the knowledge he imparts isn't run of the mill.
Don't forget, in the Boiling Rock, they use freezers as punishment for Firebending. If all firebenders could just firebend in the cold to stay warm, then this wouldn't be an effective punishment. Actually, the fact that it IS a punishment to temporarily take away a firebender's bending is proof that normal soldiers probably wouldn't survive an avalanche off of a mountain and being buried in the cold snow.
@@ninjatortise8958 naw they 100% dead like this dude said chin the conqueror died from a small cliff also Azula also on an air temple fell off her blimp and zuko was legitimately worried that she wasn’t going to catch herself and fall to her death if they could survive such a fall he wouldn’t of been worried
When aang is in the avatar state he's basically all his past lives combined. Some of them were fine with killing people. I like that aang's pacifism causes problems when he doesn't want to kill the firelord and they have to find a a way around it. Most kids shows would gloss over that.
Ok, so Kyoshi killed them?
Not even some. I'd reckon most Avatars had been "okay" with killing if it meant for the greater good.
The guys he sent off the cliffs of the airtemple in this video probably died. And he was NOT in the avatarstate there. So your argument makes no sense.
I also liked Aangs pacifistic conflict, but the truth of the matter is, that Aang did stuff OUTSIDE THE AVATAR STATE, that realistically killed a lot of people but the writers just wrote it off as a funny scene and that's that. But realistically Aang killed those people happily.
@@ardynizunia9709 yeah him killing outside the avatar state are mistakes the writers made,but his argument about the avatar state still stands,we can even see aang is afraid of the avatar state
@@pijamassauro yea let’s be honest kyoshi is doing most of the killing
Lets not forget when they were stuck in the desert and we battling those vulture-bees. Aang deliberately sliced that one vulture-bee in half with Airbending, even tho Momo was already free from it.
Also he was READY to kill the sand benders in that one episode where they kidnapped Appa
A powerful moment is when they're in the dessert, Aang willingly kills one of those giant bees out of anger. They make a pretty dramatic scene out of it because it's so out of character for him
Holy shit! Which dessert, though? A sundae or a cake?
Oh yeah, that part of the show had me GLUED to the screen 🔥👌
Ya'll don't be mean- it was a typo. I make mistakes all the time as a writer.
@@Floofy_Giraffe Criticism, especially well-mannered and funny ones, can go a long way. You learn from your mistakes. As a writer yourself, you should probably have known that it was directed at being humorous.
@@mariomia6721 I understand the intent was to be comical and posed as a joke. I simply wanted to make sure others (or if someone previously made a joke) wouldn't express toxicity in anyway, although yours is okay because you can clearly see it was meant to be a joke. I apologize for any confusion and misunderstanding.
"I've only ever used violence fir necessary defence"
buzzard wasp, fleeing for its life having already let go of momo: that's a fucking lie
Come to think of it, Aang even seemed to be against taking non-human lives, which is honestly very admirable. ...BUT MESS WITH HIS BISON, AND YOU'RE DEAD MEAT! >:)
@@baalfgames5318 i mean I think I’d be mad too if someone petknapped my best friend-animal guide as well - Just sayin
@@baalfgames5318 Can you blame him if someone not only stole your pet but one of the last few creatures to native to your culture as well your best friend I think I'd be pissed too. Plus he didn't know whether Appa was OK or not and as far as he knew they could have been planning to kill Appa
If anyone tried to steal my dog like how people's pets are sometimes sadly stolen in China they'd be dead meat. Not everyone in China does that but it's pretty fucked up that some people do that and that there are no anti animal cruelty laws
@@tierefuerimmer9635 Oh, I'm not critiquing him. I understand. Just saying he normally has too much respect for life to do that.
Also the fact he beheaded a wasp...thing in the desert out of anger when it tried to take Momo.
“That’s rough buddy”
Aang: "I would never kill anyone!"
Also aang: "Lets make a big ass avalanche to cripple people."
He’s got Batman’s policy.
Nice profile name XD
Yay i see you again.
Uzimaski not uzumasku
It wouldn’t cripple them, it would suffocate them.
Avatar Kyoshi in Aang be like:
*"Violent is not an answer, its a question and the answer is Yes"*
Didnt yangchen delete more people than kyoshi?
Love this 🤣
He decapitated that one vulture wasp who was already fleeing
There's also the bug Aang tore in half in the desert and in Ba Sing Se he froze some water after putting some guys under it. Avatar ice is always thick enough to walk on, so they couldn't break through. They drowned. For sure.
"It's not killing of you don't see they dying"
Aang, founder of turn back Avatar
Just like general zhao everyone on these ships just passed to the spirit world with their bodies no killing here just teleportation to the spirit world.
Turning Point Pandora
Also Batman.
I mean, it's a matter of suspension of disbelief. Also, there were a lot of instances where many characters of the show should have clearly died but they didn't. Mainly because they have superhuman powers or "bending". Like, Zuko should have got hyperthermia by diving into Arctic sea water and should have froze to death. Also when Zuko was first fighting Admiral Zhao, he did it without his shirt off and his body completely covered in Zhao's flame and there wasn't a scratch on him. Also, Katara should have clearly died by being buried alive by General Fong. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't directly go out of your way to kill somebody in Avatar than it doesn't count.
Them***
You can almost argue that he never murdered anyone. He killed plenty, “in self defense,” which seems acceptable to air nomad values as they did have a martial arts system. Even if it was explained to be mainly dodging we see aang was definitely taught to hit people with air with enough force to send them out of or even through buildings and that’s not exactly non-lethal. What he seemed to struggle with was the idea of looking someone in the face and accepting the responsibility of judging them unworthy of life then carrying out that sentence by killing them in cold blood.
Yes! It’s looking a person in the face and taking their life… not causing casualties for faceless people in self defense, but making the conscious decision to use his power with the soul intent to murder the other person.. even if for a good cause, as a 12-13yo it’s more than understandable for him to be struggling morally with the decision
At the end of the day lives were indeed taken by his actions. Tell yourself whatever you need to, but for him to say he’s never killed anyone shows a traumatized child denying his own actions, which is more humanizing that him just being all “I did what I had to for the greater good”
I dont think killing in self defense or an unintentional kill is acceptable for air nomads. If you guys read the kyoshi novels, kyoshi's adoptive father was an air nomad and he git shamed and banned from the air temples because he drowned and killed a whole pirate fleet unintentionally.
Martial Arts doesnt mean its mean for killing smart guy.
Besides, him in Avatar state doesn't count. He wasn't controlling his actions. That avalanche though is damning, but let's use Batman logic for that one.
Aang: I've never killed anyone
Batman: Same here, buddy. I only put them to sleep
“The goblin did it, I had nothing to do with it!”
cartoon logic: as long as you dont see them die or it being confirmed through the characters, they are not dead (and even then not for sure XD).
Then we have grownups who play genshin, saw signora get disintegrated, and are such simps they want mihoyo to revive her.
@@notacasual5593 what
@@notacasual5593 whose "her"
@@lailoutherand Probably Signora
@@notacasual5593 fuck signora she kicked venti
Aang tried so hard being a saint but at the end of the day he is still human
A child not just human
@@nour4828 Last time I checked human children are humans too... whether he was an adult or a kid it wouldn't have changed a thing.
@@TheMaskedNate I think they mean he was still a kid and developing his brain/emotions
@@haleyh6921 Perhaps, but it Aang being a child doesn't justify the deaths of innocent people who where either doing their jobs or just being involved in the wrong situations... What the author of this comment meant is that no matter if he tried to be as pacifistic as he could he still is human and no god. He still makes mistakes and it's impossible for him to be a godlike creature who never destroys. Whether he was a kid or an adult wouldn't have changed a thing.
@@TheMaskedNate being a god-like creature who never destroys isn't a what is being claimed. Plenty of mythologies have gods being destructive and wreaking havoc on mortals. Second off, if anything, the Avatars are the closest thing to dieties or higher powers in universe other than the spirits and maybe Lion Turtles. Aang has his standards partly because of his duty to uphold peace and bring justice as the Avatar, but also because of his identity as an Air nomad and Airbending master.
Aang : I've never killed anyone !
Me : Zaho.......is alive ?
“Nobody can survive that without some hairbending.”
Also, in the finale, he literally shot down Ozai’s airship. It hit the ground and *exploded*, ain’t no firebender getting out of that. What about them, Aang?
@IdiotamSpielen ok but still Anag is a murder like the guy on the video said he created a ferking avalanche and that killed a lot of people and I mean a lot of people so even if the airship thing doesn't count he still murdered a bunch of people and in real life he would be charged with the death penalty
@@Jack-ol1io For the avalanche, there were not that much snow and these soldiers are fire benders. At least a good part of them. I'm not sure they would die from this. But the fight on the sea are something else. How people can even swim in their armors? Are they made of wood!
@@orelliaorellia142 bro you saw how big that avalanche was even there fire bending wouldn't be enough too stop it and even by some sort of miracle they did stop the avalanche it couldn't stop the fall they were up sooooo high like mountain level high and no amount of fire bending can stop that kinda fall plus the people who got destroyed by that avalanche where pretty weak fire nation soldiers so there fire bending is probably not even that strong now if they were azula power level maby they could of survived but none of them were even close to azula level they were all just normal weak fire nation soldiers
@@orelliaorellia142 so ya a lot of them are dead and Anag is a murder end of discussion
@@Jack-ol1io Killing enemy soldiers would get charged for murder? What world do you live in?
Immediately after the avalanche, there's a shot of the guys sticking their heads up from the snow to directly and obviously show the viewer he didn't kill them. As for Avatar state stuff, I'd argue that's more the other Avatars taking the wheel.
Specifically Kyoshi
More like the Sea Spirit
But the other avatars are basically him from previous lives. So you could argue he did kill people but in previous lives.
Also, it was just water. Like, yea, its deadly. But you can argue he just used the water to push them out of the city and such. Especially keeping in mind that he was im the avatar state, and was being influenced by the water spirit, hed have amazing control over the water. So even if it looks overly powerful, he could have just bended the water around the soldiers and grabbed them, taking them along with the water. As for the ships, I dont fully remember the episode, but from what i remember he mostly just pushed them back out into the water and maybe sunk them. But that doesnt mean he killed anyone on the ships
@@jamesbaker5614 It was the north pole. They would drown within two minutes if they fell in the water.
you could definitely chalk this up to him being young. i dont remember if we've ever seen him say this as an adult but yall gotta remember how he really was just a kid
i love that aang is like this and then kyoshi is just snapping necks
I interpreted it as he never used his violence "with the purpose" of taking a life, not that he's never killed anyone. The purpose was defense more so than the will of killing fire nation. This doesn't void the quote from criticism, because it wasn't exactly clear whether they meant that or chose to ignore part of Aang's season 1 actions.
I agree. The examples shown are all arguably self defense. Not to mention this clip is in context of Aang having to mentally prepare to kill the fire lord, not reacting to a aggressor in the moment.
And people mention a lot of weird cases. Like the Kyoshi one (even the video here). The difference is that Kyoshi was making lava out of separating tectonic plates. Then, Aang in Avatar State before he can control it, is just not Aang. Finally, the bugs in the desert:
They were sleepless, they were desperate, they were actually dehydrated, under torching sun (45 ⁰C), under huge stress, under attack, on top of the teeny tiny small background pressure of a war, and the more they waited, bigger the chance of a kidnapped Appa just dying. No judge or lawyer whatsoever would qualify as "choices" anything made by those humans under such strong physical inanity, deprivation, self defense, state of necessity, and moral coercion. Winter Soldier has more chance of being held responsible in court than those kids there (which means, impossible).
@@elderlyoogway it’s arguable that he isn’t fully aware or at least in control when in the avatar state. The fire Benders in the snows slide could have easily protected themselves.
In other words, if you can avoid killing someone, you should. Honestly, I think that, if he'd failed to find any other solution, he would probably have killed Ozai. But he _did_ find another solution.
@@elderlyoogway I wouldn’t even try to defend his actions in the dessert episode. I like the fact that that episode is the only example you can find where aang purposely attacked something that wasn’t attacking him or his friends in anyway but actually running away. It goes to show just how angry he was in that moment and the lengths he was willing to go. If people have a problem with this then they obviously don’t understand how good that scene was. Aang is human, just because he has beliefs does not mean he can’t slip up sometimes and that’s what that episode was trying to convey. Yes it was hypocritical but that was the point and it made aang a better, more humanizing character. I think that was great writing
Aang didn’t kill those people, the snow, fall, hypothermia, and suffocation did.
That is true
True, but if you push someone into water &they drown, it is second degree murder
"But I didn't actually kill the henchmen - technically they avalanched to their death"
the firebenders at the northern water tribe were probably sent to the spirit world where we saw zhao in korra
Let's not forget that although you might argue that Aang never actually killed anyone *by will* he never stopped Katara or Toph from doing so, you actually want me to believe that those earthbenders defending the Earth King's palace and those Dai Li Toph crushed were alive? Katara literally froze a river with a lot of guards under it, I don't think the laws of science were on their favor there, and these are just two cases. Aang might not want to kill anyone, but for someone who was as convinced as he was to not kill the incarnation of the devil on earth, he doesn't seem that concerned about teaching his pacifist ways to his crazy team
Those Dai Li are definitely dead, its toph were talking about 🤣🤣
I see your pfp is from “Balance”.
Probably because he understands he shouldn’t shove his belief down his friends throats. He does try to teach them of his beliefs but he never forces it upon them to my memory.
Aang froze that river. Not Katara.
@@LPKelner well, one more killing point for Aang then
"I didn't kill them, the ground did"
No you see the ground killed these men, I murdered these men.
He did kill my hopes for a movie
If a fire bender dies from being buried by snow we gone just call that darwinisim
I completely agree about the Northern Air Temple.
Some "might" have survived, especially if they were fire benders. But almost all the non-benders died. 70% casualty rate, minimum.
Yet 100% survival rate when sokka dropped an entire crew dressed in armor from really high in the air. Hitting water from that high would most likely kill or at least maim you to point of drowning. Yet the crew survived. People have survived far worse than getting hit with snow in Avatar.Point is You can’t really apply real world logic to a cartoon. It’s called cartoon violence for a reason. The writers really just wanted to show off Aang’s air scooter and he covered some troops with snow, they survived. Snow like water is a pretty non violent way to subdue people in cartoons. Katara literally froze Zuko for an entire night at the North Pole. If the show were realistic he would have succumb to hypothermia or frostbite.
@@arrowheadstudio but...zuko almost did die from snow ailments. avatar isnt really like spongebob or dr slump it uses real world internal logic. otherwise combustion man and jet is still alive. the real reason most characters arent dying is because of the TV rating, because if we were reading the Kyoshi novels all these characters involved in these situations that should kill them, would kill them.
There was also those fire nation hot air balloons on the day of the black sun that Aang pierced through with his staff while being hundreds of feet in the air. There’s no way the fire nation soldiers on those balloons survived that fall.
The only people allowed in the fire nation army r fore benders
@@Movies-ji9gw Not quite true. There's some differences in designs between fire benders and non fire benders, though. The non fire benders usually have catapults, man the tanks in the series, or have throwable explosives. It's not 100% consistent but the general rule I noticed is that the ones with skulls have fire bending, the ones with just helmets are non bender foot-soldiers.
He's also mentally 11-12 in ATLA, so I understand why he'd think that. his concept of killing is likely limited to the explicit taking of another's life, with no accounting for what happens in his Avatar state or the indirect killing that occurs through collateral damage, accidents, etc.
bruh I remember seeing these scenes and thinking how they'll live through those attacks.
There's also the many wounded soldiers in general fong's base, one of the rough rhinos during the Kysohi trial (he blew him over a cliff) and of course, him swatting a desert wasp midair.
It's been theorized that Gyatos also took many lives in a futile attempt to survive.
That's one of the unjustly missed opportunities for a book 4: air. As he's learning abstract airbending (flight, astral projection, chakra mastery) and we see wholesome flashbacks of Gyatos teaching Aang basic airbending, Aang can learn to come to terms with the fact he broke the oath, lots of times, as did the other monks.