Can a New Budget Tire Beat a Worn Premium Tire in the Dry, Wet and Snow?
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In this tire test, we compare a new budget tire VS worn premium tire in the dry, wet and snow to see if you're better off fitting new cheap tires as your tires wear and get close to the legal limit, or whether sticking with your worn premium is the best option.
We also look at the rolling resistance (fuel use) of the new budget tire and worn premium tire, as well as touching on the wear, handling and environmental impact of the tires.
The worn premium tire is the Michelin CrossClimate 2 - www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Mich...
The new budget tire is the Tomket Allyear - www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Tomk...
Both tires are classified as all season tires in Europe, or all weather tires in North America.
Can the new budget tire beat the worn premium tire? Only one way to find out! - Авто та транспорт
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Hi Jonathan, can you explain the difference between Michelin first release version and DT1 version? Is there a true big improvement? Maybe is not related to this video, but it has connection on how Michelin improvement works.
Hello, i got a very good deal of full set of wheels (4 light cool alloys equipped with Dunlop blueresponse as summer tires) wheels were sitting inside a dealer deposit never got mounted on any car so my question is if can be used from next summer 2023 on roads ? All tires are looking brand new they still have the small hairs on thread pattern, no side cracks, i check them inside too back in a tire shop each tire taken of from the rim and check inside-out no signs of damages, fitted back on rims have fresh valves so they all hold air no leaks after a week now, the only down side is DOT manufacturing date is from 2015 on all 4 tires (that is probably why i got the deal for the full set).. so what is your advice ? tanks in advance !.. ;0)
Surely ESP would prevent spin?
@@johnathanpearson3203 Not sure if would work on ice or deep snow, preventive speed is another key factor for more safety. ;0)
this test is worthless. you machined down the new tire, but most of the drivers ride the tires for 2, 3 or even more years. during this time the temperature changes up and down, which changes the quality of the tire's compound. even the UV light does it's job. so the test would be valid only if you get some used 3 years old tires to test against budget tires. even the michelin's tires won't have same character of compound after three years of use as new one machined down to same depth of thread. I'm pretty sure two seasons old michelins can beat the budget tires, but I'd bet older michelins than that won't. and this is the problem of all the tests. budget tires are shit after 2 years, but which premium tire can deliver satisfactory results after 2 years of use. that's the question nobody bothers to answer. btw, I drive michelins myself.
Great test (as usual!), but one note though - it is not always only about thread depth. I have had tyres which were fine for their depth, but the compound got degraded after 4-5 years (yes, I don't drive like mad when not driving my M240i). So last tyres I had to change were changed due to the compound degradation, not due to the thread depth. So having 4-5 years old tyre with low thread is not the same as having the "new" (relatively) tyre machined down to the same thread height. This is not a critisim, just my observation. Thanks for the review!
Exactly my thoughts. 3-4 years in the elements does take a toll.
@@ilianstoimenov6619 not just the elements. Even if the tire is storaged inside at +20c, the rubber will degrade, especially winter tires. They lose the softness
I wanted to point out the same thing. I would like to see the same test with 3-4 years old Michelin tyres! I am pretty sure the Michelin "worn" tyre is so good in this test is because its compund is just as new as the new tyre.
Of course, the age is a major factor... when you drive only about 60km per day on weekday, like me.
Exactly. Living in the Mexican desert, last 3 tires I've changed on both our family cars (A CRV and a Subaru Outback) it's been more about compound degradation/chunking than outright thread dept issues. Even some BFG T/A Advantage sports that are rated for almost 100,000KMs are almost swapped out after driving half as much (though in 4 years worth of time) because the thread was now starting to chunk badly...and then I hit a curb and did some sidewall damage to one and decided to cut my losses and swap all 4s (tire had been great so far though). Cross Climates aren't available here, but hoping that the highly rated Pirelli Scorpion AS plus 3. is as good as they say as I'm waiting to get a set of them.
Parents still live and they don't drive much, I've had to swap out 5 year old dry rotting tires with perfectly good thread depth too.
I love the testing of worn tires! Anyone can optimize for the testing of brand new tires. What happens when they get worn is the important metric that can rarely get tested
Thank you!
"Worn tires" These are new tires that are trimmed down, I want to see wat happens to a 4 or 5 year old tire at the end of its life that has been outside for a few years.
@@Bierkameel ^this
Rubber gets age and is loosing properites, budget tire could win anyway
@@Bierkameel but it’s a start. Not easy to gather worn tires that have been aged. I assume that there are many variables in a used tire. Was it a hot dry climate or humid one. Was it on road only or dirt road used. Were they driven spiritedly or nice and slow. Were they rubbed against curbs or sat for years with little use. I bet in the future they will work on those but for now we don’t know the budget or time they have planned to do a review but still did a decent one.
Keep encouraging and provide supportive feedback and I bet they will keep providing new tests.
The time spent watching this channel is well invested, not wasted!
:D
@@tyrereviews so I told a tire shop and they didn’t believe me.
@@tyrereviews Where you at @tyrereviews , long time no see?
Do the same test with a 5 year old worn tyre and the brand new budget -) I think the age of the tyres makes HUGE difference!
i agree, fresh shaved tire is not the same as a worn tire driven on thousands of miles, heat cycled and weathered over several hot summers and different surfaces. i would like to see that comparison but it would be impossible to get a controlled test this way
@@ihatemacs9 Well of course the brand new tyre will be better. I have had experience with the old tyres with plenty of thread and no grip whatsoever, TERRIBLE. I think any tyre over 5 years old should be banned really, as they're significantly worse than the brand new ones, even if it's worn out, but new, it's better than a 5 year old one but with the thread like a new tyre or half worn!
You get what you pay for, your safety and life should be worth more than ever fitting and using budget tyres on any vehicle.
I have pirelli sottozero III but its from 2016 with 5-6mm, You guys think that I need to change for Matador MP93 Nordicca or Falken EuroWinter HS02 PRO ? It will be a change for good or worst or just leave it as it is for next sezon ? btw @tyre review pls make test of winter tyres in mid range and refferal to some top model thx
Sure does, tires actually have an expiration date. They’re only supposed to be about 6 years of use
Great test! More worn tire tests!! Your channel is the best I've found for honest tire comparisons
As a guy who works with tyres I love this channel haha I'd be interested to see this same test with summer tyres as so many people have summer tyres all year round so the wet test would be interesting
Again thank you for developing this channel and making your testing results available for our benefit.
Extremely valuable information
Thank you for all these tests!!! You’re doing a great job!👍💪
Great effort 👍 love watching your tests.
Thanks!
@@tyrereviews you’re welcome 😉
Thanks for producing this kind of tests. 👍 This aspect has been in my head for some time and I have been among the people who asked you to try to do it, really interesting to see the results. So thanks also for listening to your "fan club". 🙏😄
This channel has officially turn me into a tyre junkie. And I love it.
First video to watch on a Sunday morning 😅 before coffee no less 😂
You sir are a legend. Thank you for everything!
Thank you :)
Incredible detail when testing, nobody out there at this level. Any future All Terrain tyre testing in the future would be greatly appreciated as these are incredibly popular here in Australia.
@Tyrereviews. Mystery Box sounds good, can you post it to Australia?
Love the videos, whenever I get time to watch them I watch them in full.
Please never stop tyre reviews
Another great vid! Thanks!
Regarding the snow handling - some close ups show that the worn CC2 still grabs quite a bit of snow and the area of the tire covered with snow is greater than on the Tomket. So it's the snow gripping to snow, hence better handling (that also proves that CC2 thread design is really awesome) :) If the tire would we warm, straight from the garage on the snowy road, it'd probably skid until it would cool down enough. While cooling, it could cover itself with lots of snow, like a ski with no wax on, when taken from a warm room and put on the snow.
My concern would be more in city snow-salt-sand-mud pulp, where little thread would struggle to push this crap out, as the throughput of these thread 'channels' would be significantly lower. Aquaplanning quite similar, however at higher speed, as water has better density than such winter crap-pulp ;)
Great test, good to know etc. However, I'd still stick to 3-4 mm before the winter for CC2 and then maybe still use it in the summer and get new ones before the next winter, for such conditions, where CC2 is great (mild, mid-European winters with occasional snow and terrible 'love' of the road maintainence teams to use salt for no good reason on each and every small street in the city... Salt ruins everything (from cars, through clothes to environment, also creating a troublesome waste category) and does not increase road safety at all. Quite the opposite actually, as it makes people drive faster than they would on the compacted snow.
Oh, BTW - yes, I agree that dry grip improves with wear. But (there's always a but ;)) we need to keep againg in mind. 20 y.o. tire may not give us such great grip anymore ;) Yet within 5-8 years I do agree. I had Sportmaxx RT, not used much, after 8 years they were still amazing in the dry, however the thread compound was significantly less elastic than before and in the wet it wasn't the same tire anymore. I've noticed that any sand on the edge of the road was also a bigger challenge compared to the same tire a year earlier, with pretty much the same thread depth (really not used much - it had almost 6 mm when I left them for recycling, after 8 seasons). I had the same observations with bicycle tires. With age they still grip in the try, but any surface imperfections, sand and dust on the road becomes more challenging. Wet becomes a disaster. As with car tyres :)
It is amazing how hard it is to find any comparisons on truck tires in the winter. I find dozens of All Season and other reviews and everyone is driving small SUV's or little compacts. All of the AT tire reviews are in the spring and summer. Would be great to see a review using pickups in the snow and ice.
All-terrain tires are horrible in all of these tests.
You are doing a test I am waiting for ever!
this is such a fantastic real world needed answer. thanks!
Great review !
We have Michelin Cross Climate 2 on both our Outback and Forester.
I’m glad we don’t have to put winter tires anymore.
The Cross Climate 2 is perfect for our needs. Especially with our 5-6 feet of snow every winter.
Glad you like them :)
Great test. It would be interesting to test an old tyre and a new tyre with the same level of wear to test what happens when the rubber gets old. I replaced 7 year old tyres which had awful cold weather grip.
Thats the problem. This video doesnt cover an issue when tyre rubber is hardening over time, especially if it is all-season tyre, meaning, you dont change tyres for each particular season and drive in all weather conditions. Rubber hardening makes a great impact on handling no matter how good or bad your brand is. New tyre will always be soft. So in video,he basically showed that Premium tyre manufacturer uses higher grade rubber compound.
@@gu3151 I don't quite know what you're talking about..
@@22chachalaca He is saying that the tires used in this video are not worn by normal usage, but by machine. So they are relatively new(like age), so they are not hardened by weather and time, just they have less thread depth, but almost the same as new rubber quality(not aged).
Awesome job! Thank you for this!
Thank you for your great videos! I work in sales for a tyre dealer. Some people just won’t accept good advice. I often refer to your channel when people think I’m just trying to sell higher priced tyres.
Very good to know that the Michelin tire's compounding is uniform throughout the tread depth. I had a set of "P" brand premium tires which changed from a Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde in terms of traction and handling as the tire became worn. Thanks, John!
The good news, the tomket didn't take you for an unplanned route to an alternative circuit this time. Great review many thanks !!
Just a spin while filming!
Awesome as always, keep up the great work
Excellent video as usual!
Fantastic review. Have on order a set of cross climate 2 to replace my 9 year old x-ice 3 on my 17” wheels. I live in Southern Ohio, so limited snow in winter, few people drive on winter tires here. Being Canadian I’m used to winters and also gave me opportunity to run summers (pilot sport) on my 18” wheels. Note the x-ice 3s have always been mounted on same wheels, no degradation seen (stored inside). But at 9 years felt they were overdue for replacement even with lots of tread left.
Such an interesting test, thank you for the always excellent content! 👍
Thank you :)
Yes! A video I've been waiting for ages!
these are some surprising results, thanks for doing these tests!!
I know 3mm (4/32") tread depth is usually where the steepest drop off in wet weather performance occurs, and 4mm (5/32") is the limit for winter.
The fact the CC2 arrived with just 2.2mm (3/32") and still did this well is truly astonishing.
The snow performance certainly impressed me, nearly a year on and I still can't get my head around it.
My Nokians Wrd3 had this drop with tread depth approx. 4,5mm and on 5th season. After that I killed them during the summer. I can say, that these old worn tyres behaved quite good and were predictable. Only scary think was, that they were quite oversteering on the cold wet road. It happened once, I was too fast, felt that they are loosing grip but in the name o science pushed it to the limit.
@@tyrereviewsThis is proof that the Crossclimate 2 has a vastly superior tread pattern
@@briantierney6742 Tread pattern and tire compound both.
ya, ive always heard that in standing water, braking distance doubles from new to 4/32, and doubles AGAIN from 4 to 2/32.
Great vid, very useful info, thanks 🙂
This fella has to be one of the best car UA-camrs. He knows his subject, articulates his findings enthusiastically and clearly - and isn’t an egotistical bellend, unlike far too many I could mention 🙄
Thanking you kindly :)
Real interesting - appreciate the effort!
Literally asking myself this question yesterday. Love your videos.
Michelin's tyre is known for consistent performance throughout its lifetime. I've heard Kumho is notorius for performance degredation as it gets worn. It is very difficult to execute, but I would love to see a normal multi-factor tyre comparison between makes and models with worn tyres.
Confirms what I always believed, always wanted this type of test to be done!
Also really impressed the CrossClimate 2 performed so well even when worn (which is part of the reason why I bought it even though I usually change my tyres earlier than "necessary"), I just fitted it to my car 2 days ago and already drove it for almost 400km and through a terrible rainstorm with no issues, haven't pushed it too much yet but grip on wet surfaces is better than I anticipated, maybe its understeery nature fits my RWD car better as I can give it more gas coming out of corners compared to my previous tyres (GY Asym 5), maybe not as fun but ESC and TC are joy-killers in my car anyway (no drifting for me).
I'd love some testing on tyre pressures and how it affects performance and fuel economy!
Working on that tire pressure video :)
@@tyrereviews for an in-depth tire pressure test you would need to weigh the front and rear of the car and cross-reference those with tire manufacturing's suggested PSI and go from there.
How come CC2 better than GY Assym 5?
@@danpan6420 let's start off saying that my Asym 5 were worn, not completely but they were at like 3mm or a tad more. I had a set of GY Ultragrip performance+ but they were overkill for southern Italy weather so I sold them, there were way more times I regretted having them because it was too warm than times where I could enjoy them on the snow. I didn't want to give up snow grip because I love driving on snow and always go looking for it, but I still wanted good wet and dry performance since my car is fairly sporty (Alfa Romeo Giulia, not a supercar but really nice to drive nonetheless).
The CCA are definitely a bit more floaty on the steering compared with the Asym 5, which is also why I haven't pushed them hard yet, however when I tried the grip was actually impressive, just a matter of habit, i remember having the same issue (probably even more) when I put winter tyres on the first time.
I'll need to test them out a lot more but I estimate they should last about 2.5-3 years, which coincidentally might be about how much longer long I'll keep the car.
I could get the rear end to come around on a certain corner with the Asym 5 whereas the CC2 just stayed neutral, it felt like it had a tad more lateral Gs but I can't say for sure as it wasn't an AB comparison.
@@albertovicinanzafair enough. I think it’s just different tyres. CC2 is a compromise between summer/winter whereas GYAssym 5 is just a summer tyre.
Thanks for doing this test. Love to see these!
Again thanks for these videos. Very insighting
This is a very tricky topic. I had CrossClmate (not the Plus or 2) tyres, I bought them used after I saw your test about the 7-degree myth. I can't talk about snow performance, but wet performance at near freezing and freezing temperatures was getting worse after their 6th birthday. And that's the tricky part about it. The worn tyres in this test were still "young", the rubber didn't age. I know wear and worn tyre testing is complex, people want to see an objective test on something that is massively influenced by the driver, the car, location, driving habits and many other things. The best thing we can do is review our tyes.
really anything should be replaced at five years
@@harryspeakup8452 Michelin say tyres can be used for 10 if it looks good.
@@bence.gabor.slezak Only in non-sunny climates. UV radiation destroyes rubber.
Yeah I couldn’t really even be mad after 6 years
Wow 6years use...that is too much.
Your channel needs more subscribers and views. Not just because more people can be educated, but also to help you earn more money so you can do more of these tests. Excellent video. If you had the means of doing this again, can I suggests winter tires? As they have the highest wear and also tire grip change is most important in slippery winter conditions.
Great test as always
Great video! Very enlightening, thanks.
I've used the Michelin North4 studded for now into 3 seasons ( roughly 20-25 000 km ) on my daily driver in Manitoba Canada . It's at around 5/32s and still excellent grip so far. I have always had snow tires and could feel the loss of traction as they wore down. These North 4's ( with the help of 85% of the studs left) have not changed to the point of noticing loss of grip.
Nice :) Get a review on www.tyrereviews.com :D
@@tyrereviews Done.
This was interesting to watch, great video. In the future, will you touch ageing aspect as well? I think it was left out a bit in this video. As far as I know even if you don't use tyres, softening chemicals will leach out and make it harder. This secound aspect might be more important then thread depth when it comes to old tyre performance.
Tire aging is an interesting one. You're 100% correct this would have been a better test with tire aging (but as you can imagine, this isn't a quick thing to do), however I feel like the amount of time we'd age tires for (12 or maybe 24 months) would make a minimal difference to a premium tire, and if you tried to age something like 5 years, well at that point they should be off the car anyway :)
@@tyrereviews why not just buy an used tyre from the SH market? Plenty used oldpremium tyres for sale. Wouldve made a good test
@@tyrereviews I think that, rather than tread wear, it would be interesting to compare the same tires 3 or 4 years apart to check the compound. many tyres, even after a year and a half, completely change performance even with little wear.Personally, for normal tyres, I don't like the Michelins because after a year and a half, regardless of tread wear, wet performance deteriorates due to the sudden degradation of the compound.
This is something I've experienced with my Michelin X-Ice XI3. I looked at them the other day and they were manufactured 11 years ago! I worked away in the winter a lot so they never got driven much. Still half tread but they are unbearable to drive, they feel like they've got flat spots even though the balance is perfect. Time to junk them.
@@tyrereviews Another other point is that tyre technology moves on. A lot of the tyres that were available 5 years ago are no longer in production having been replaced with newer models.
man I love the video and your test technics, comments, video quality, all !! thank you and keep uo the good work!
Thanks!
Can't wait to find out the quality of life a tire has. Most appreciate the effort you and the team's are putting in.
As a fan of the Crossclimates I enjoyed this. Currently on the 2 but still have an original from 2016 as my spare and it hasn't cracked and perished. Thanks for trying the budget tyre so I'm not tempted to. Also enjoyed the bit about the environmental impact of tyres although was hoping you would also mention deforestation to grow rubber so it's definitely better, in my opinion, to have to buy them less often and have full life performance.
I've got a pair of CrossClimate on the rear I got in November 2019 and at the front I've got CrossClimate 2 as the front obviously wear quicker. Excellent tyres and the grip in wet snow is phenomenal ( typical Scottish winter) and one of the best all round tyres I have ever had. Being a Sweden driving for over 35+ years I have had my share of winter tyres and the Michelin brand is simply the best performer all the way down to the thread warning thing. .
@@VinDieselS70 I find they work well in Scotland too. Never been to Sweden but every car I've owned has been a Saab 9-5 estate.
@@andrewrobertson4878 you're right, they work excellent in Scotland. Currently living in North Ayrshire or the Garnock valley so yeah, they work great. Last car I had was a 04 Yaris with summer tyres, it worked but it'll be cross climate from now on...
@@VinDieselS70 I'm not too far away in Midlothian. Have had other all seasons from Bridgestone and Goodyear which were pretty good in the snow too but nowhere near as good in the wet. The biggest downside of the crossclimates seems to be for spirited driving on warm, dry roads which doesn't bother me much.
I am replying to an old comment here, but please dont be blinded by the visual state of a spare tire. I had to use mine a few weeks back. It was a goodyear summer tire. Made in 2005, it has never been used and even looked like new, including that kind of shine new tires have. No cracks etc. However it felt like driving on a log. It was hard and offered no grip at all. I will probably replace it with a cheap winter tire quite soon.
What you unfortunatley couldn't embrace in you comparison is the factor of aging during the time, the premium tire is worn from 6.5 to 2.2 mm - but this is a significant fator!
You should develope an aging procedure (UV light and changing of cold and warm phases and ...) to compress the aging of an 6 year old tire to 1 year and then compare the old and worn premium tire with a brand new budget tire! Maybe the tire manufacturers already have? 😉
I've not seen anyone with accelerated aging processes yet but it's something I'm also very interested in!
@@tyrereviews Rubber aging (years of usage) is very good point. Please, try to get some worn tyre from the real world (at least 2-3 years old). If anyone can do it... its you :p I'm sure some of your viewers would love to help :)
@@tyrereviews Yes age should be a factor included. I bought wheels for winter that had two 2021 budget winter tires and two 2017 Continental winter contact ts830p, and on snow, continentals can't handle and have low grip levels compared to the softer budget variant and will be changed over to new pair soon.
@@tyrereviewsIn terms of aging, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to test a couple of dozen real world used tyres - which viewers could perhaps provide - and take the average scores, rather than painstakingly wear all the tyre models in exactly the same way over tens of thousands of km?
This should iron out differences in the way tyres are worn and aged - and IMO any remaining difference to a full painstakingly like-for-like comparison is acceptable those differences are all there in the real world anyway.
Can confirm that the CC1 ages poorly. Owned 3 sets and after about 2 years they start to quickly lose grip regeardless of how much tread is left.
OMG YES! Thank you for this vid. Such great information here.
Very interesting test, I did not expect that the worn ones brake so well on snow. Thanks.
I think you should try to buy used tires for worn tires testing ) At least, you would have something to compare
Much respect for pointing out the environmental impacts 👍
Something we have to talk about more and more. I plan on making dedicated videos to the topic
@@tyrereviews Will definitely be watching that!
@tyrereviews Thank you!! This is exactly the video I was waiting for. I hope you get the budget to do more worn tire videos
@Tyrereviews. awesome. What you do you need from me? My bank account number? social security number? mother's maiden name? my left hand? my first born child?
I've watches more than a few reviews/tests on the CC2s and it seems your channel is the best at these tests and reviews. I'm convinced the CC2 is the tire I'd be happiest with for my Subaru Forester. Thank you for your excellent channel.
It would be great making test - worn all season tires( driven in summer) vs worn winter tires. The hot sun will show the real face of the "all" seanons ties😂
Crossclimate's are a summer tire adapted for winter work.
@@dwwolf4636 it is neither winter nor summer!
One interesting comparison would be a 4-5 year OLD (not worn) tyre versus a NEW tyre.
Thanks, one of the best tyre reviews over the years I have watched, strong arguments, and I will think twice now about getting new cheap tyres...
@Tyrereviews. Thanks, will get in touch!
❤ omg, ive been waiting for so long! Thanks for the video!
Impressive by michellin, I wonder if other brands would up as well.
Good question. In my personal experience nothing compares to Michelin
Great Review thanks you for explaining everything in details!
So far I'm very happy with my CrossClimate 2 purchase. The Performance has been great overall on the Snow, Rain and Dry conditions.
I also want to mention the tire does a great job making the drive quality a lot more smoother and stable. I take many road trips throughout the year and so far driving 4 - 8 hours has been great! I highly recommend the CrossClimate 2's to everyone and anyone that is looking to buy a new tire.
Glad you like them!
It would be helpful to know what region you live in and what kind of car you drive....
I’m getting a new set today of CC2. Thanks for great reviews Boss!
Another great video!
Everytime I see another Cross Climate 2 evaluation I am seeing the $1200 price tag was worth it. From treadwear over years, snow performance, hydroplaning resistance, noise, comfort, and competent dry handling... it's a freaking swiss army knife of tires.
why 1200? is it weird tire size? 16" CC2 costs like 100 euros here
@@_monti142 A full set of these in 17 or 18" mounted balanced out the door will easily run you $1200 USD for 4 as they are about $250 each, so $1000 is just to purchase the tires. I can't remember the last time I owned a car with 16" wheels.
I think one of key takeaways (and I have argued this a lot and as well from my own experience) is that - what makes premium tyres safer is the consistency and predictability. I always get premium tyres and I always try to care for them as much as I can (making sure they have right pressures, doing wheel alignment when fitting, monitoring how they wear and adjusting pressures etc.) and I drive them as long as I can (generally to ~2.5-3mm). This usually means that I am getting 30k miles+ from a set and sometimes even close to 40k miles. Once in a while I get a car and it has decent budget tyres and in the past I felt bad about replacing tyres with plenty of thread depth (say 5-6mm+), but in my experience budget tyres are death trap for specifically this reason (your wet driving results), they may grip grip grip and then they suddenly let go. So it isn't ultimate grip that matters for safety - it is consistent and predictable handling!
Note as well that you picked genuinely good budget tyre, but that is not what people are fitting.. people who shop for budget generally takes the cheapest tyre on sale... that is your Accelera, Triangle, FastRoad type of brands... they are horrifying!
It was only a good budget tyre in the snow, in the wet it's definitely one of the worst I've used in a long time
Thank you for this test & analysis.
Jonathan,
Happy Christmas to you, our best tire/tyre reviewer, and also to the readers here. I much enjoy your reviews and looking forward to the next one.
Safe snow driving!
These tests are always awesome! It was surprising to see the performance left in the Michelin even with so little of the tread remaining.
The "worn tire" situation is still missing a lot of variables, as in degradation of the compound due to heat cycling, UV irradiation and diffusion during ageing, uneven wear due to weight distribution and toe settings... tire engineers likely know all about it.
I know it's near impossible to test properly, just a reminder to take those results with a grain of salt - still, at least from my personal experience, budget tires and rainy conditions are a recipe for disaster.
I was doing lot of dynamic tyre testing. In my experience all higher price premium tyres had the greatest adventage in consistency during their tyre life. I remember winter continentals with 2 mm still done better than some brand new budget tyres. And budget tyres quickly lost some of their performance when they done some miles.
Brilliant video, thanks loads for the very informative video.
After just 2 years on Mediterranean ☀️ every tire becomes significantly closer to plastic than new... So i think these is only relevant in aquaplaning. With regards!
That's my thought as well, it's not only tread depth that changes as tires get older!
It is not an entirely fair comparison, a tire not only loses threat deep. Over time, heat, sun, etc. the rubber becomes harder. If you machine the tire to lower threat deep you have fresh rubber even if you have very low threat deep
he mean with this test what is better if you have 200eur for set of tyers
the comparison is fair. Both tires are machine worn. So it stands to reason that a budget tire aged, would be worse then a premium tire aged. It could also be argued that the budget tire will age worse since it most likely uses cheaper, or lower quality materials.
It would be a good video to show handling with old tires versus new tires. I bought an old sports car with old, barely-used tires, but I immediately replaced them. The old tires were terrible.
He did say that worn one was driven for 4000km
@@perwiratempur 4000km is nothing
Great to se this video, i was searching exactly for this a day before it was posted...
Thank you. This is very important and very informative. Amazed & pleased that you do this.
I wouldn't want to be driving even a premium tyre at 1.6mm. I try to swap them at 3mm. Equally I wouldn't want a budget tyre. I have run Kumhos in the past when money was tight and I did inherit a car on nearly new Maxiis, which was not too bad. But other than that I stick to the premium brands and shop around for the best price.
Age of the tire matters. Once an aged premium tire gets with so little tread, it would have way less performance left than the test done in the video.
Thanks for the video. It was very useful.
Black ice test would be nice addition to the test! Awesome work! 👍🏼
worn tire should be a 3-5 year old one, where the rubber has lost quality. The dept of the protector is not the only one parameter that makes a difference. However, an interesting test.
Sadly the CC2 wasn't out that long ago!
@@tyrereviews I can wait... :D
Hahaha *imagines CC2 fans ordering shaved CC2s from now on*
Heat cycled too😊
Thank you for your honesty Sir.
Some eye-opening great information. Thank you
Wonder : WHY are you grundig down a brand New tire to the limit? IT is still brand New rubber. Old rubber, 5 to 8 year would behave very different from each other
It's not really feasible to source matching old-production tires for a direct comparison test, especially since the CC2 has only been out for a few years now. Can only test things you can obtain and control for.
If you remember I asked for this some years ago and I am very very glad you are doing this. Waiting for the other video you said it should be coming soon where you compare all premium brands for wear vs performance.
Thanks for putting in the hours once more!
One of the most interesting videos I´ve ever seen from you. Thank you very much!
@Tyrereviews. Thank you, but honestly I do not know what this "winning" means to me :D
Keep up the awesome work.
You are the champion geek of tyre geeks, I salute you sir! Great vid
Excellent experiment!
I’ve always wondered about this! Fun sliding around in this video 🙈😳
Really nice video!
Just had my CC2's mounted. Very informative.
Nice video as usual 👍
Love this channel, just fitted the Cross climates to my cx30 👌
Fantastic review - some really interesting insights and comments on worn tyres.
Very interesting, you are THE tyre channel !
very helpful review!
Brilliant idea! Thank you for this test.
I'd also like to see how other tyres perform when they're used...
Hopefully the Goodyear will be on the list.
I bought the original CC tires back a few yers ago. I LOVED them! I now have the cross climate 2s on my other car.