Rome: Total War - One of the Greatest Games Ever Made

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  • @UncannySwan
    @UncannySwan 8 років тому +2296

    I keep having the time warp issue with this game where I sit down at 11PM and I stand up two hours later and it's 9AM. God.

    • @blarg2429
      @blarg2429 8 років тому +115

      Your coffee can probably advise you about that problem.

    • @Theaddekalk
      @Theaddekalk 6 років тому +19

      @@blarg2429 I TOO!!!! everytime, its so crazy

    • @Ston247
      @Ston247 6 років тому +54

      A game for the ages. Leave it in your WiLL so your grand children can enjoy it.

    • @hogwash2nd
      @hogwash2nd 6 років тому +7

      yeah i find that as well!!

    • @gumunduringigumundsson9344
      @gumunduringigumundsson9344 5 років тому +14

      Been there dude. Been there..

  • @TylerD141
    @TylerD141 6 років тому +1280

    All I wanted in Rome two was this but updated graphics and better pathfinding

    • @OpreRoma
      @OpreRoma 5 років тому +91

      That, and more settlements on the map and/or more factions. Rome 1 was near perfect, but having played the Europa Barbarorum mod for Medieval 2, I reckon some more detailed Barbarians and a map that extended to North India would have been actual heaven

    • @DoritoWorldOrder
      @DoritoWorldOrder 5 років тому +70

      They had to go and completely ruin the building system and almost everything else while they were at it.

    • @jumblesgaming
      @jumblesgaming 4 роки тому +9

      @@DoritoWorldOrder the only thing I liked was more than rome is the fact (actually scratch that this issue was more with medieval II) than allies could be trusted (atleast more than in medieval)

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive 4 роки тому +18

      Better AI was more important to me than better graphics. Also as you take over more of the world it becomes too easy to forget agents or even armies in ships.
      The game needs a way of delegating more, but solid features that focus on campaign and battle strategy doesn't sell as well as fantasy gimmicks

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 4 роки тому +13

      seems every strategy game made after 2010, with increasing intensity with every year... is becoming more and more a halfbaked mobile game.
      I loved warhammer 2, but even it's campaign map is a shallow joke.

  • @krustygaming5887
    @krustygaming5887 3 роки тому +300

    “There is no shame in fear, there is only shame in letting fear control you” that is actually really good advice, I want this game.

    • @MartinTraXAA
      @MartinTraXAA 3 роки тому +14

      The remaster is coming out, and the original comes with it if you don't already have it.
      The remaster is basically this exact game but better UI, graphics and quality of life improvements. The gameplay, music and voice lines are not only kept, but the sound quality of them are improved.
      Looks promising!

    • @vinnieg6161
      @vinnieg6161 2 роки тому +19

      ''The enemy may have the Moon People on their side, but we have lovely hats! And those hats will protect us from their fearsome gaze!''

    • @DraconimLt
      @DraconimLt 2 роки тому +1

      @@vinnieg6161 ''My brave men! Victory shall be ours, by grace of my inspired leadership. But this means I cannot risk myself in the front line. I must remain safe, guarded by you, my loyal warriors! This is not cowardice, oh no. It is prudence, the handmaiden of victory!''
      and then on the opposite end of the scale
      ''I want to bathe in their blood,i want to bathe in their blood for a week! Now kill them all!''

  • @rikwouters7897
    @rikwouters7897 3 роки тому +326

    who is here for a rewatch after the remaster announcement? :D

  • @thomaskimbro4219
    @thomaskimbro4219 8 років тому +616

    It's nice to see a genuinely intelligent youtuber who seems like a normal person

    • @robert1188
      @robert1188 6 років тому +16

      genuinely intelligent. KEK. Not trying to teach you english. But there is something wrong there.

    • @LoydAvenheart
      @LoydAvenheart 5 років тому +5

      huh@@robert1188

    • @tonyatutorials6997
      @tonyatutorials6997 5 років тому +10

      Agree w that. But the affected voice bothers me a bit.

  • @awordabout...3061
    @awordabout...3061 8 років тому +490

    The best speeches come from generals with traits like 'Crack-brained' and 'Hooting' - they include references to 'our lovely hats', enemy aliens, and moon-based weapons.

    • @Cornbinks
      @Cornbinks 4 роки тому +48

      That's why Cretian Archers are the superior mercenary unit. Their lovely hats will protect them from the gaze of the Moon People.

    • @ze_rubenator
      @ze_rubenator 4 роки тому +17

      @@Cornbinks The normie Greek archers have the same hats though. What sets the Cretans (and Rhodians) apart is their clearly superior green tunics.

    • @zjotheglorious
      @zjotheglorious 3 роки тому +4

      Crack-brained?
      How do i get that trait?

    • @awordabout...3061
      @awordabout...3061 3 роки тому +3

      @@zjotheglorious I think it's random

    • @zjotheglorious
      @zjotheglorious 3 роки тому +2

      @@awordabout...3061 sad

  • @max4pne
    @max4pne 8 років тому +343

    It took me eight years of continuous play for me to chose them, but I found the long Parthian campaign to be amazing, having to fight for your life against a united front of Egypt and Pontus. And then having finally defeating them and expanding westwards you face a fully developed and powerful Rome. So difficult and yet so satisfying.

    • @ManyATrueNerd
      @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +138

      I feel the same way of Seleucids - the main reason I did like Carthage is it's too easy to snipe Rome before they get started properly.

    • @oddluck4180
      @oddluck4180 6 років тому +19

      You've never modded the game and played as macedonia then. In the first game you get attacked by literally all of your neighbors

    • @phiphedude7684
      @phiphedude7684 5 років тому +12

      That’s the issue I have with Pontus, you can defeat Scythia, Parthia, Egypt, Armenia and seleucids easily but while doing that Rome has built massive armies

    • @SacredDaturaa
      @SacredDaturaa 4 роки тому

      @@kantina4765 Yeah I'm a bit baffled by the idea that it took eight years of continuous play. Parthia is not the easiest campaign but it's also not really a hellishly difficult one.

    • @nenadnesovic6999
      @nenadnesovic6999 4 роки тому +1

      @@SacredDaturaa what do you think is top 3 hardest campaigns?

  • @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158
    @imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158 8 років тому +1616

    I don't like the Brutii because green is not a creative color.

  • @Cass-808
    @Cass-808 6 років тому +232

    I miss the little zoomed in camera for when a general gets killed.

    • @damianjblack
      @damianjblack 5 років тому +12

      I always found that glitchy so I had to turn it off. It froze the battle on me every time if I happened to be clicking somewhere in the exact moment it switched to the general death cam.

    • @warrioroflembitu3387
      @warrioroflembitu3387 4 роки тому +2

      It is in the game still

  • @alexanderthegreat1356
    @alexanderthegreat1356 4 роки тому +68

    1 million views...thoroughly deserved for the best total war series of all time.

  • @thattwitalex
    @thattwitalex 8 років тому +795

    Can we have a never ending Rome Total War series?

    • @SkullCrabz
      @SkullCrabz 8 років тому +19

      Alex Haines no he finishes the campaign he should start medieval 2

    • @yourethatmantis5178
      @yourethatmantis5178 8 років тому +64

      no Total War Rome: Barbarian Invasion and then Medieval 2.
      transitions more smoothly that way.

    • @LuizAlexPhoenix
      @LuizAlexPhoenix 8 років тому +6

      Alex Haines
      I guess Jon could go through other games of the series which he doesn't knows so well. Better than a continuous series in the same game.

    • @SirRoderickThunderbottom
      @SirRoderickThunderbottom 8 років тому +7

      then when he conquered the Americas in Medieval 2 he moves onto Empire

    • @simmerocky2393
      @simmerocky2393 8 років тому

      Jon, you know what to do.

  • @mattholtz
    @mattholtz 8 років тому +474

    I have at least 250 hours on this game, and I just learned about the formation button -_- So many headaches could've been avoided

    • @ManyATrueNerd
      @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +123

      It's weirdly absent in some future Total War games. I have no idea why. It was really useful!

    • @Healermain15
      @Healermain15 8 років тому +6

      You can still put them in formations in later TW games right?
      Unless you want to put them all in a straight line. Then you're fresh out of luck. because reasons.

    • @Healermain15
      @Healermain15 8 років тому +2

      *****
      Now that's just silly.

    • @Poltair
      @Poltair 8 років тому +3

      It is actually possible to custom deploy into a formation and use Ctrl G to make a group - If you then lock that group, they will retain the formation.

    • @tonyandamary7736
      @tonyandamary7736 8 років тому +1

      Matt Holtz My dad thought me to play and watch me my name is M.Kottmeyer

  • @apertureemployee215
    @apertureemployee215 8 років тому +267

    And can I just say how much I'm looking forward to 40 minutes of classical history with Professor Jon every Tuesday and Thursday?

    • @azuradawn5683
      @azuradawn5683 8 років тому +2

      Saaaaaame!!!

    • @lanceuppercut6168
      @lanceuppercut6168 8 років тому +2

      I would've learned so much more history if he were my teacher. Then again, maybe it's him coupled with actually playing games :P

    • @SpamQGamers
      @SpamQGamers 8 років тому +3

      you mean to say you didn't do research after playing the games! legit like history cause of these games yes i know none of it is accurate but does that matter to a 7 year old (when i first played the game)

    • @diegofernandez1013
      @diegofernandez1013 7 років тому

      Is that when he posts these? every tuesday and thursday?

    • @Kaiimei
      @Kaiimei 7 років тому +4

      AND SATURDAY/SUNDAYS!

  • @Deadly_Laser
    @Deadly_Laser 6 років тому +343

    "We need high taxes"
    *immediately accidentally changes taxes to low losing 500 per turn*

    • @philpants44
      @philpants44 4 роки тому +6

      didn't he put It back on low when he noticed too?

    • @maxdecphoenix
      @maxdecphoenix 4 роки тому +4

      @@philpants44 when you remove a governor from a settlement's garrison, the game automatically changes the settlement to AI management policies. These policies have different tax rates for the different preset goals. The 'growth' policy has low tax to boost the population growth percent. He probably moved the unit out of city and then back in, but this was edited out.

    • @1kvolt1978
      @1kvolt1978 3 роки тому +5

      @@maxdecphoenix No, he didn't. He was supposed to press the upper button to change the city, but accidentally clicked the tax button instead.

    • @Troglodytarum
      @Troglodytarum 2 роки тому

      He specifically turned off ai management at the start of the video. Please think before speaking.

    • @NinjaSushi2
      @NinjaSushi2 Рік тому

      If you notice the settlement, the taxes are set to very high because they change actively as he changes the tax rate.

  • @leef9834
    @leef9834 8 років тому +298

    needs a remaster

    • @julianusvatinius4479
      @julianusvatinius4479 7 років тому +16

      Lee Fair with a Brutii fist
      with a Scipii foot
      with a julii head
      Rome will conquer
      The Day Is Ours

    • @Valnoten
      @Valnoten 5 років тому +11

      Try the Android version!

    • @ZacklFair
      @ZacklFair 5 років тому +2

      please god no. every remaster is a desaster.

    • @anonrandom7765
      @anonrandom7765 5 років тому

      @@Valnoten is the Android version good enough?

    • @Valnoten
      @Valnoten 5 років тому +1

      @@anonrandom7765 Touch control works really well. Only thing missing is keyboard and mouse support - that would make it complete! :)

  • @cinder8926
    @cinder8926 8 років тому +108

    Rome: Total War released September 22, 2004.

  • @Kaozorier
    @Kaozorier 8 років тому +487

    "The generals will throw out incredibly racist slurs against whoever you're taking on, it's really really good"

    • @Venakis1
      @Venakis1 4 роки тому +6

      @⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ ⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ That kind of attitude has cost us a lot you moron.

    • @Venakis1
      @Venakis1 4 роки тому +27

      @⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ ⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ So in your perspective only white people are racist. By the way do you have any clue what racism is? Or do you really think racism is all about hate, what the media have taught you.

    • @jidk6565
      @jidk6565 4 роки тому +9

      @@Venakis1 he has a point, even if he shouldn't take the game seriously
      Racism is bad, and any justification to be racist, while sometimes understandable, are never really good (one person, or a group of people, do not define millions.)

    • @Venakis1
      @Venakis1 4 роки тому +58

      @@jidk6565 "Kill all racist scum" great point in a game which hurts nobody. Stop assisting idiotic leftist extremists.

    • @calgskeet
      @calgskeet 4 роки тому +13

      @@Venakis1 his comment at no point claims that only white people are racist, he just said you dont choose the colour of your skin (in his case white) and its rather silly to be proud of it, which it is really. And while racism isnt solely based upon hate, it is always based upon hierarchy, claiming superiority or inferiority of a group of people based on a series of pre-assigned genetic attributes, mainly if not only aesthetic, which is ultimately what race boils down to, claims that there are mental differences or different levels of capabilities between races have been mostly disproven, and those which remain are fairly inconsistent in proving a norm, excluding things such as photosensitivity, which is affected by melanin levels that adapt depending on the climate one is in, and also plays a role in eye colour, hair colour, and skin pigmentation, or racial aesthetics as they would be called. And a lot of things that remain in question, such as sport performances of certain racial groups, appear to be more affected by regional gene-pools than belonging to a specific race. In general racial classification is highly arbitrary in so much as "what determines a different race", and while racism isnt necessarily always based on hate (it usually is, whether or not the racist admits it), its absolutely based on idiocy.

  • @ManyATrueNerd
    @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +713

    I feel I should clarify, as some overzealous editing garbled my meaning, Julius Caesar was absolutely of the gens Julia - I meant to point out that the Julii had no connection whatsoever to Gaul/Gallic campaigns/specifically-north-Italian-cities prior to the associations created by Julius Caesar, as the world map and Julii introduction suggests, though I appreciate I didn't make that at all clear.

    • @achendrianvonwulf9811
      @achendrianvonwulf9811 8 років тому +3

      I feel bad now that I did poorly in my History 100 class. Should have asked you to help lol. Starting from 50,000-ish BCE (which I totally messed up to a really bad degree of memorization) to like 400 CE-ish or something. Don't remember anymore... But, I managed to get a C, ... hated the class mostly because I was required to memorize dates in a sequence of events. -.- like really? However, I have no idea where I was going with this or if it makes sense anymore, but I love the ancient Egyptian history (which was covered in a very, very, very short section which made me mad as hell) and the Roman period with the Gallic wars. I've never played this game, but I think I might check it out.

    • @callumdwyer7882
      @callumdwyer7882 8 років тому +10

      Many A True Nerd So Jon, not sure if you're actually reading these or not but I have to ask, I love watching your videos and listening to your stuff and I have a horrible weakness for hearing about things and then needing to know more.
      I doubt that you have that much of an interest or inclination but I'd love to hear about all the stuff you've learned about Rome and Carthage and Macedonia and the Hellenic states and the like, Carthage has always been of interest to me, admittedly, that may just be the mystery kicking in but I'd be happy with a series on Rome. It doesn't need to be a massively in-depth degree-level series (although I also wouldn't mind that either admittedly) and it doesn't need to be done in conjunction with Rome: Total War either. I'd just be really interested in hearing/seeing you giving a rundown of the story of Rome because I think it would be fun or at least interesting!

    • @KOT_AMV
      @KOT_AMV 8 років тому

      Yes, I second this.

    • @acuerdox
      @acuerdox 8 років тому +4

      you are the first person I see that makes an entertaining total war campaign video

    • @fishdisher9564
      @fishdisher9564 8 років тому

      Many A True Nerd SIMMONS! Simmons is that you?

  • @mattfick5502
    @mattfick5502 5 років тому +57

    I've watched all of these already, this is the series that got me into playing Total War, and what got me hooked on MATN videos.
    I decided to start watching again. I'm currently away from my family in a very foreign country, and feeling kinda lonely. Coming back to this is like a warm blanket; it reminds me of being at home and trying to explain to my family why I'm watching someone play a video game, and why all the comment cosplayers were genius.
    So yeah, it's nice watching this again.

  • @sathanaful
    @sathanaful 8 років тому +55

    absolutly the greatest game ever made to me!

  • @robkyle8199
    @robkyle8199 8 років тому +505

    Scipio also fought a war with Brock Lesnar. I never paid attention to ancient history.

    • @MyGamingBacklog
      @MyGamingBacklog 8 років тому +22

      Nice reference xD

    • @Schneeregen_
      @Schneeregen_ 8 років тому +10

      Robert Kyle Beatiful reference and if anyone reading this doesn't get it then...
      GET OUT

    • @connorsensenig4214
      @connorsensenig4214 8 років тому +40

      Robert Kyle Let's talk about Tyler Breeze

    • @yemjay6363
      @yemjay6363 8 років тому +2

      Clever bastard.

    • @HUSoldier66
      @HUSoldier66 8 років тому +6

      I've always thought Jon and Dan would make an enjoyable crossover episode. Could call it Nerd^4

  • @TheChainsaw105
    @TheChainsaw105 8 років тому +480

    obviously the most accurate rome-related game is Ryse: Son of Rome

    • @roxasdog2016
      @roxasdog2016 8 років тому +234

      Of course! Everyone has heard of the elite combat force known as Fat Blokes with Nipple Tassels, consisting entirely of the same guy!

    • @gaylamp4640
      @gaylamp4640 7 років тому

      Rielly Finger I don't think barbarians looked like that.

    • @Kaiimei
      @Kaiimei 7 років тому +5

      Isn't angled armor a good thing? That way, strikes are more likely to bounce off rather than striking a solid surface and imparting all the force into the armor.

    • @pedroc4320
      @pedroc4320 7 років тому +41

      and of course, we all remember boudica besieges Rome with elephants so accurate !

    • @barnabusgon
      @barnabusgon 7 років тому +4

      For me the best was shadow of rome

  • @TheCjbroncos25
    @TheCjbroncos25 8 років тому +88

    i abused this game as a 10 year old.. i played the demo for a straight year before i was able to buy it lmao

    • @koreyberry2820
      @koreyberry2820 5 років тому +10

      I think I'm the only 13 year old who even knows what this game is. Used to play the crap out of it ages 4-7. I miss the tender moments where I would spam elephants at an army of hoplites in a Greek city on a custom game and still lose cause I had no idea what strategy was and I just charged them head on. Praying for the moment I can play it again.

    • @aluminumcurtain
      @aluminumcurtain 4 роки тому +4

      @@koreyberry2820 I remember thinking I was the only 13 to know about total war when I was in 8th grade but then Rome 2 came out and a bunch of my classmates were talking about it. You might be surprised how common your interests are.

    • @LoydAvenheart
      @LoydAvenheart 4 роки тому

      @@koreyberry2820 It's on Steam and it's requirements are so low a Pentium 3 can play it.

    • @BookOfShane
      @BookOfShane 4 роки тому +2

      Just the carthaginian vs Roman battle and the SPQR & Juliai vs Gaul

    • @danletko
      @danletko 4 роки тому

      I did that for Shogun II haha

  • @KesselRunner606
    @KesselRunner606 6 років тому +19

    Bought this game on first release in 2004, and still play it regularly to this day. Medieval II pushed the engine to the maximum, and the games evolved and improved graphically (Shogun 2 is by far the superior, overall), but there's just something about Vanilla Rome 1 that always pulls me back, and it never disappoints. No two campaigns are ever quite the same.

    • @NinjaSushi2
      @NinjaSushi2 Рік тому +1

      Rome and Medieval 2 are classics I think because they're on the same engine and are more or less the same. I bet you that someone could mod Medieval 2 into being a reskinned Rome 2.

    • @prisonerofthehighway1059
      @prisonerofthehighway1059 9 місяців тому

      I remember reserving Rome 1 when it came out. I wanna say from GameStop but it doesn’t seem right for 2004. Electronics Boutique maybe? Damn 20 years was a long time ago lol.

  • @theflyingcatz
    @theflyingcatz 7 років тому +13

    I've re-opened this dusty tome once more. No matter how many times I've read the story of Julianus and Rome, I'll never stop coming back. One more time.

  • @LuizAlexPhoenix
    @LuizAlexPhoenix 8 років тому +137

    Personally, I still like the Julii much more. The red look cooler than green, I like playing Caesar and the Scipii have a tough starting position against Cartago. Still, I will be looking forward to this series.
    This is a cool game. It's old but I still think it's great. I would say the only games of the series which I rate it higher in every aspect would be Shogun 2 and the glorious spin off Spartan:Total Warrior from the old ps2. Oh... Spartan Total Warrior on ps2... Such nostalgia...

    • @ManyATrueNerd
      @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +40

      I like the red too, but the campaign is pretty dull - there's only so many times you can fight warbands in an identical barbarian town...

    • @LuizAlexPhoenix
      @LuizAlexPhoenix 8 років тому +3

      Many A True Nerd
      Yeah, can't argue with that.

    • @MrAnton1502
      @MrAnton1502 8 років тому +7

      I prefer the Green tbh, ahistorical for sure but my Cretan and Hoplite Mercs don't stick out like sore thumbs

    • @mark-tk4tg
      @mark-tk4tg 5 років тому +1

      Scipio can control Apollonian caralis Syracuse lilybaeum in 10 moves then leave Carthage alone until you conquered Greece by starting at Sparta and sending small force following Brutus until they attack a settlement then steal it from them using their troops. Easy even on difficult. They go Corinth then just follow them around stealing then become inert but can grow or go Africa later on if you do not attack north Africa early enough. Trading with Carthage instead of killing them can make you rich quick. Sending a army to raid Asia starting in Alexandria Memphis Thebes Jerusalem Sidon Antioch will make you rich if you manoeuvre quickly and destroy the east whilst ruling with Pontus trading greece

    • @chad4147
      @chad4147 5 років тому +1

      Luiz Alex Phoenix honestly best tw game is medieval 2 my opinion

  • @dantaylor9665
    @dantaylor9665 8 років тому +45

    16:36 trying to be the roman legend from Ryse, who leaves formation, doesn't retreat, died and thus became a hero.

  • @manlikemars2929
    @manlikemars2929 8 років тому +43

    I love Classical history too. Can't wait to see more of this.

  • @gregorramsay7874
    @gregorramsay7874 3 роки тому +10

    I went on holiday to Mexico a couple years ago. I watched this series the full time I was there. Seen nothing in Mexico. Holiday well spent

  • @Hoosierdaddy14
    @Hoosierdaddy14 Рік тому +4

    It's that time of year, where the sun starts to feel good on your face, the greenery starts bringing color back into the world and one man who ignores all of that to relive the glory that is Rome. This is my therapy.

  • @SubTonic
    @SubTonic 2 роки тому +7

    I have such profound memories of playing this as a kid. Even to this day, this game's presentation is unmatched in the entire Total War series. Every single battle makes the adrenaline and excitement rush through the body, due in no small part to the masterful soundtrack.

  • @ghezoi
    @ghezoi 6 років тому +57

    Every once in awhile I reinstall this game play it, finish it, uninstall. Install....rinse and repeat!

    • @tricck8352
      @tricck8352 5 років тому +6

      Thought i was the only one lol, i play this game since 2006-2007 or so, and exactly at this phase...
      I install it, play it, conquer the world and uninstall it.
      *1 month or 2 passes*
      Hmm, i should install RTW lol

    • @sreekarguddeti9664
      @sreekarguddeti9664 5 років тому

      Haha I am feeling to reinstall and play it...

    • @DonkeyFilms
      @DonkeyFilms 4 роки тому +2

      Why do that? The game doesn’t take a lot of space anymore. Maybe a GB and a half at most.

    • @delivertilidie8356
      @delivertilidie8356 4 роки тому

      Same. After finding this channel today , I’m playing it again.

    • @hrishikeshjoshi5222
      @hrishikeshjoshi5222 4 роки тому

      @@delivertilidie8356 Does it run smoothly on your PC? It doesn't on mine, depsite it having 1650 NVIDEA GTX and having the d3d8.dll in my game folder.
      Do let me know if you know a fix.

  • @tomc4459
    @tomc4459 3 роки тому +9

    Rewatching this series for the third time now, best total war series ever made for absolutely sure

  • @Jorthax
    @Jorthax 5 років тому +14

    I remember when I first saw the graphics with my own eyes and shat my pants with excitement.

  • @kw_1616
    @kw_1616 7 років тому +5

    Jon, honestly the greatest series you've ever made.... ever (Medieval II is close). This is also the only series on youtube i've ever re-watched, and I can't thank you enough for making this. Keep up the flipping excellent work!

  • @weaselweasel6601
    @weaselweasel6601 8 років тому +249

    Many A True Rome- Nipple Tassels included.

    • @robkyle8199
      @robkyle8199 8 років тому +21

      3 identical men wearing nipple tassles.

    • @weaselweasel6601
      @weaselweasel6601 8 років тому +15

      OkarasChimera​ Yes there is. Three fat blokes with nipple tessels.

    • @TashaahsaT
      @TashaahsaT 8 років тому +3

      lol those outtros 😂😂

  • @ZefVolk
    @ZefVolk 8 років тому +374

    "It's back as the ancient scrolls foretold"
    Be careful Jon, Bethesda might sue you for trademark infringement.

    • @calgskeet
      @calgskeet 8 років тому +18

      Ancient, not elder. No similarities whatsoever. WHAT.SO.EVER.

    • @Risukuyomi
      @Risukuyomi 8 років тому +21

      Penguin 205 didn't they try to sue Mojang for just 'Scrolls'?

    • @calgskeet
      @calgskeet 8 років тому +12

      WHATSOEVER!

    • @marcelgirliste9493
      @marcelgirliste9493 6 років тому +1

      Snorlax And the brothers foretold,of black wings in cold. (Is that the one?)

    • @DZ-1987
      @DZ-1987 6 років тому

      But what those scrolls said... that is something i want to know.

  • @AmazingMollusk
    @AmazingMollusk 8 років тому +17

    Do more, Do more. You, my favorite UA-camr, playing my favorite game. This is the best day ever

  • @maybemaeb
    @maybemaeb 11 місяців тому +3

    Can you believe it's been over seven years since this vid came out?

  • @JuC5574
    @JuC5574 Рік тому +1

    The Bruttians (alternative spelling, Brettii) (Latin: Bruttii) were an ancient Italic people. They inhabited the southern extremity of Italy and were formed around the year 356 BC. In these stories, because of their social conditions the name of the Bruttii acquired the meaning of "rebels" or "fugitive slaves".

  • @cringelord9568
    @cringelord9568 8 років тому +24

    Anyone else notice a guy named Gaius came from Capua? He better stay out of thrace

  • @Riskystache
    @Riskystache 8 років тому +25

    I wished they had remained in the historical era, it would be much more interesting

    • @koreyberry2820
      @koreyberry2820 5 років тому +5

      Yeah the Ancient/Mediaeval era games are amazing. Wan't really a fan of the games when guns were introduced.

    • @jaykilbourne1110
      @jaykilbourne1110 4 роки тому +2

      @@koreyberry2820 Shit man, I loved Empire. I want an Empire 2. but I want it to be more like Rome 1 in spirit. except guns.

  • @hermanPla
    @hermanPla 8 років тому +31

    Your favoite game was Rome 1 with over a 1000 hours!?! OMG ME TO!! I played more then 2000 hours if I include online battles.

    • @hermanPla
      @hermanPla 8 років тому +1

      legioN apperently :P

    • @evamai728
      @evamai728 8 років тому

      hermanPla wow and there I was thinking my 500 hours in a few games were nothing ...

  • @kaisersnider8593
    @kaisersnider8593 5 років тому +3

    I remember always getting home from school and putting in my Rome Total War disk and playing for hours. The Bruti was probably one of the easiest factions of the game. I remember making so much money I bought all of Dacia territory and still was the richest faction.

  • @GardEngebretsen
    @GardEngebretsen 8 років тому +6

    What I miss the most from this game in RTW II is the dynasty screen. The fact that you actually have some sort of connection to your generals, and that they actually may "mean" something to you makes the campaign much more fun imo

    • @Gustav_Kuriga
      @Gustav_Kuriga 6 років тому +1

      You had that in Total War: Attila. RTW II has a dynasty screen now. This isn't actually something that's missing.

  • @kiszubi123
    @kiszubi123 8 років тому +9

    I'm a simple man. I see Rome Total War. I add to liked videos. Keep up the good work Jon!

    • @ManyATrueNerd
      @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +4

      I like the way you think.

    • @I3enjaIvIinnn
      @I3enjaIvIinnn 8 років тому

      I hope you played many hours of Roma Surrectum - if you haven't, be sure to check it out! :)
      www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?251-Roma-Surrectum

  • @benchartrand3014
    @benchartrand3014 4 роки тому +6

    I thought I was the only one that felt this. There has been some good total war games since then. But none have come close to how good this one was. It was the perfect balance. Back before they decided total war games needed to be civilization as well.
    Settlement management was minimal, world building was of moderate importance. It focused on raising these beautiful pimped out armies. And trampling whomever was foolish enough to get in your way. Still gives me tingles thinking about a full stack of late Roman troops, all their bonuses and extras. Your whole army, just a wall of steel, heavy cavalry, fire arrows for days, and maybe siege piece or two, just for the giggles. So good!

  • @utubetravman
    @utubetravman 8 років тому +7

    I will watch you play a campaign in this game religiously! Love this Game!!! PLAY MOAR!!!

  • @Atomsk0192
    @Atomsk0192 8 років тому +19

    The Greek intro is still one of my favorite parts of any game.

  • @Sturmavk
    @Sturmavk 6 років тому +29

    Loved this game and all the wonderful mods. CA has destroyed what made RTW great in their follow up games by not sticking to what made RTW so great! Discontinuing the the family tree system, removing the naming your "heir" system, not having "en mass" reinforcements, not having the surrounding world map terrain match up with the battle map, neglecting siege works and siege equipment and finally trying to totally reinvent the wheel with every new TW game instead of sticking to the core mechanics that made RTW one of the greatest games of all time. Oh and the soundtrack for RTW is one of the best of all time.

    • @Gustav_Kuriga
      @Gustav_Kuriga 6 років тому +3

      Except most of these things are blatantly untrue? Have you even played every Total war that's been released since this one? Total War: Attila has ALL of these mechanics. Total War: Warhammer is seen by most people as a split property from the historical Total Wars. It has a different intended audience. All of the historical total wars contain what you complain they don't have.

    • @michalschroeder2187
      @michalschroeder2187 5 років тому +1

      The music is the best

  • @ellie8674
    @ellie8674 8 років тому +11

    Omg yes! I assume you are super excited for this series!

  • @thomashopkins9854
    @thomashopkins9854 2 роки тому +3

    I’m just kicking off my yearly watch through of this series. Jon does such a great job at it. I’m pretty good at it, but I can’t hold a candle to the way Jon plays.

  • @ntolman
    @ntolman 8 років тому +11

    I'd love if you did a series explaining Rome: Total War's historical inaccuracies.

  • @DraconimLt
    @DraconimLt 2 роки тому +2

    "Men. Today we are going into battle. Regretable, isn't it? But sometimes, you know, you have to do something you don't want to do. I would not be here today, but then my mother told me to make a reasonable show about it...so here it goes''.

  • @YossarianVanDriver
    @YossarianVanDriver 4 роки тому +2

    It's pretty fun to come to this from your CK2 videos and see you having an equal amount of joy but actually knowing how the game works (indeed, knowing more about it than me!). You really are giving me an appreciation for all the little ways this game excels.

  • @marcfreeman6595
    @marcfreeman6595 3 роки тому +6

    Anyone else rewatching this gem ahead of Rome Remastered being released

  • @archyneverpicked
    @archyneverpicked 7 років тому +6

    13:58 Shogun 2 did that really well. You could see castle in the distance that were on the campaign map and the scenery fitted and so on and so on. The speeches were really good too

  • @michaelrich7066
    @michaelrich7066 8 років тому +6

    I would love to see a series of videos where you discuss in-depth the historical inaccuracies of different games.

  • @SirSmokeAlot8866
    @SirSmokeAlot8866 3 роки тому +1

    This video got me started playing total war. Been playing for 2 years now and I'm still addicted...

  • @Bogwedgle
    @Bogwedgle 7 років тому +1

    The reason wardogs take two turns to produce is because they're an infinite unit. Even if all the dogs die, so long as the handlers don't die, they all come back to life. You can make an army of war dogs with a few cavalry units as cover, send them at an enemy army, release the dogs, run away immediately, then retreat off the map when all the dogs are dead, killing a portion of the enemy. You can then repeat that every single turn forever until the enemy army is dead or buggers off.

  • @farshnuke
    @farshnuke Рік тому +3

    Rewatching 6 years later. Still great.

  • @UchronianKing
    @UchronianKing 6 років тому +3

    Rome Total War was a departure from the sprite armies of Shogun and Medieval; at the time of release Rome's graphics were a revelation, with a detailed campaign map for the TBS half of the game. The music is perhaps one of the most fantastic examples within gaming. Many great memories playing this game, over and over, as either Romans, Greeks, Egyptians...right to complete conquest. To say I was addicted doesn't cover it. My Mum came in at 3am, flummoxed how much I'd playing - I believe I answered her in Latin. New fans to TW probably wonder what all the fuss was about having being spoiled on even more sophisticated titles later in the franchise. In their defence, all the remakes (they're not really sequels, are they?) alongside Empire and Napoleon helped push the boundaries further in some way, despite being short of perfect (but pretty close to it). Rome 2 might have had a dodgy start, but CA did at least fix many problems (the wonders of digital connection). Shame Attila didn't quite optimize - even higher systems have had a hard time of it. But otherwise the units look fantastic! Warhammmer (tabletop miniatures awaiting this moment) fantasy titles have lent that extra touch, while there seems to be a Chinese themed TW in the works.

  • @Mankorra_Gomorrah
    @Mankorra_Gomorrah 8 років тому +4

    this is the game the single handedly got me hooked on gaming. i still think it is one of the best strategy games to ever be made.

  • @TheJonnyPerera
    @TheJonnyPerera 6 років тому +2

    This is a really simple but really great video with an all encompassing walkthough.
    Have a few tactical differences though:
    - I go straight for greek and then macedon jugular. Taking their cities early reduces cultural differences and gives you advanced, troop building cities on the front line meaning home cities can focus on resource (money) rather than troops (in the beginning). Also, ignoring the other roman families allows them to grow stronger and gives you more of a challenge in the final phases of an extended game. Also allows more Senate mission rewards, though they will try and make you fight Macedon when you are extremely vulnerable in your Greco-war
    - Watchtowers always on the borders, sea or land, to maximise visibility.
    - In general, money money money in the beginning, you just have to make do with the troops you've got, makes early phase very tricky. Hastati vs Spartans is a nightmare but doable.
    - I would never pay for map info, no matter how little.
    - I usually only buy cavalry mercenaries, only thing worth the money IMO (tactical necessity an exception).
    - City management, got to play the long game and money usually comes first.
    - Minimum troops in city, all needed to take Greece early.
    - Always use my top general in combat, risky yes but his cavalry are so good and the biggest heavy cavalry unit. Also just cool to have a faction leader as a 9 star war hero too leading the troops in battle.
    - Always set one of the youngest and best characters as the heir. Younger means longer life and more time to accumulate great character traits and stronger/bigger unit. Dis-inherited trait is a worthy sacrifice.
    - Tax rates need to balance population (city) growth with time taken to build all the building. The ideal is for the town to grow (new governor house upgrade) on the same turn as you finish buillding the very last build option.
    One of the few games I genuinely don't feel that guilty about and one I always turned back to throughout my life. So satisfying and such a tidy piece of software, well thought out. The only stipulation I had for a new computer once was that it could play this game, at the time that required some pretty advanced hardware and software. I've bought this game 3 times, twice on CD-rom.
    - And the mods OMG, there are hundreds, maybe thousands of them. makes an endlessly playable game immortal. Some of them are so fun. Map extensions, historical accuracy enhancements, alternate campaign modes, themed overlays, the list goes on.
    - I remember being so excited and nervous about screwing the game up when I discovered how to edit the script and open access to all the factions. I would argue playing as greece is as fun as playing Brutii, just everythings reversed plus egypt gives you ALL of the wonders and Seleucids are a challenging opponent early on but beat the quicker you beat them the quicker you get Elephants. Harder as you fight on three fronts too. Playing Seleucids fun too. Playing as rebels really confuses the game gives you zero infrastructure/population. Playing as The Senate also screws the game a bit but is an unusual challenge. Playing as minor nations also a great challenge. Play as Britannia is the patriotic challenge.
    Also you could expand unit size to 240.
    Otherwise, I agree with pretty much everything you say.
    Many thanks
    Geek rant over
    over and out

  • @leddy12341
    @leddy12341 4 роки тому +2

    Didn't realize there were so many other people who have been playing this game for the past almost 20 years and still loving it.

  • @hashbrownz1999
    @hashbrownz1999 6 років тому +98

    I love how historically inaccurate this game was. Creative liberty, used to its fullest and greatest extent, in an effort to make a game more fun.

    • @atlantic_love
      @atlantic_love 4 роки тому

      Loser.

    • @atlantic_love
      @atlantic_love 4 роки тому

      You were trolling. That's the crux of the matter.

    • @hashbrownz1999
      @hashbrownz1999 4 роки тому +9

      No. I'm serious. Gameplay > Historical accuracy. Newer total war games are fairly spot on with their history.
      They suck.

    • @atlantic_love
      @atlantic_love 4 роки тому

      @@hashbrownz1999 you fail at sarcasm.

    • @hashbrownz1999
      @hashbrownz1999 4 роки тому +4

      @@atlantic_love There is none here. Literally. You're reading this wrong.

  • @DTB180
    @DTB180 8 років тому +50

    This was the game they used for Time Commanders wasn't it?

    • @ManyATrueNerd
      @ManyATrueNerd  8 років тому +34

      It was! That was the BEST SHOW.

    • @yourethatmantis5178
      @yourethatmantis5178 8 років тому +11

      I heard the BBC are rebooting Time Commanders

    • @markpattinson9382
      @markpattinson9382 8 років тому +4

      They are. First episode, Monday at 9

    • @SherlockHyde
      @SherlockHyde 8 років тому +3

      Oh man, thank you for that. I've been trying to remember the name of that show for the past hour. Haven't seen it since I was 13 or 14, back when the History Channel actually cared about showing interesting history stuff.
      I really, really, miss the old history channel. And the old animal planet. And the old A&E.
      welp now i guess i'll just go and be depressed for a few hours

    • @yourethatmantis5178
      @yourethatmantis5178 8 років тому

      *****
      it sounds to me like you haven't played much hearts of iron or Rome total war M8

  • @sebo641
    @sebo641 8 років тому +32

    I loved this game, but always ended up in debt :(

    • @JL-uq6dq
      @JL-uq6dq 8 років тому +5

      Once you get into the civil war as the romans it suddenly gets very difficult to make any money- the key was to build up your armies whilst it looked like getting close, and then leaving large forces 'on maneuvers' around their largest cities. as soon as the civil war drops- blitzkreig, and you can sweep through italy before they can reinforce.
      Once you hold Italy you can attack rome. at your leisure.

    • @sebo641
      @sebo641 8 років тому +1

      J L the thing is... I'm a noob at management

    • @JL-uq6dq
      @JL-uq6dq 8 років тому +3

      For this game it was quite simple. Stick to conquering coastal cities as much as possible. Build and upgrade ports and markets. And the hidden issue when playing with huge units was that if you recruit too many units you have fewer population to tax. Playing as Greece or Macedonia was especially difficult on huge as most units are 240 rather than 160 men.

    • @sebo641
      @sebo641 8 років тому +2

      J L I'll keep that in mind next time I play

    • @genericnpc08
      @genericnpc08 8 років тому

      Same.. When ever I play as Julii, I always go bankrupt... on Scipii however.. I'm making tons.. After I rushed Carthage, I went straight to Greece and beat the Brutii to it, that made me rich then I campaigned in Egypt which made me richer. xD

  • @Geekman333
    @Geekman333 Рік тому +1

    Strapping in for my second watch of this series. It's a masterpiece. Thank you.

  • @selder_7
    @selder_7 7 років тому +1

    Would totally agree that this and medieval total war 2 are some of the best games ever made. I remember just beating it over and over with different factions or the same one again. My brother played it too and he took ages and made millions whereas I took as much as I could as fast as possible and I could take the entire map by the year he had completed the long campaign so was interesting how we differed

  • @Knightcommander69
    @Knightcommander69 3 роки тому +3

    Re-watching this series before Jon inevitably plays the remaster. Can't wait!

  • @Axz92Axz
    @Axz92Axz 7 років тому +3

    I was twelve when this game released and I got hold of it, a friend of mine both of us already history buffs had so much fun whit this game, spending hours in school discussion tactical minutiae of individual battle's to come and large sweeping stratagem.
    Nostalgia aside, still an easy third best in the series even to this day.

  • @ianjbuse
    @ianjbuse 3 роки тому +5

    Getting this recommended after the remastered announcement!

  • @brend1800
    @brend1800 7 років тому +1

    What i adore about it is the combat and battles have substance and they end up becoming so largescale in the end Like Playing as egypt and 4 - 5 armies fighting over regions of influence making it so satisfying because if you win in those regions you get such an advantage

  • @ЯковН-ю9х
    @ЯковН-ю9х 2 роки тому +1

    Not only its gameplay, but man RTW1 soundtracks is so fng EPIC!

  • @osamazafar6264
    @osamazafar6264 7 років тому +3

    Being a long time medieval total war 2 fan,this made me want to play this total war!

  • @Harumi_Aoi
    @Harumi_Aoi 2 роки тому +3

    This is when an anime protagonist plays a strategy war game and explains it to brainlets like me as if it was elementary math

  • @danis8455
    @danis8455 8 років тому +5

    good old days .....when total war actually was a game about total war.

  • @DaBriceisRight
    @DaBriceisRight 8 років тому +1

    The way I got into the Total War series was by finding a disc to Medieval: TW back in '06. I fell in love with it and got addicted. After a year or so of playing I saw Medieval II: TW just lying around at Walmart.
    I probably dumped 2000 hours into it over the years.
    I started Empire and Napoleon recently, but never realised how much these games took from Rome.

  • @serodactil
    @serodactil 7 років тому

    This Rome is far better then all others, in all but graphics.
    -Better city management
    -Great speeches
    -the personalities of the factions and their stories are really captivating
    -That haunting music that creates the haunting feel in world map
    -The relationship with the Senate and the other houses makes you feel small at first and realize you have grown later
    -the fact that units have fukin' colors and you can know what they mean and who they are
    -armies can move and attack without generals, AS THEY SHOULD (and therefore minor characters can get recognition through their achievements in battle)
    -in game physics: cavalry really smashes pedestrians
    -view settlement outside of battle (which both emerges you and gives you pride and makes you care about your people)
    -far better diplomacy
    Maybe many more but I just remembered and picked this up after watching your video....

  • @darkspirit1911
    @darkspirit1911 8 років тому +4

    One of my favorites too, btw don't be shy to do the knowledge bomb drop about ancient history, it would fit this game perfectly.

  • @maxwillems368
    @maxwillems368 Рік тому +3

    For anyone rewatching the series in 2023: do you know how Jon manages to get decent FPS? I've reverted the game back to version 1.5 (disc version, prior to the release of the remaster), but the performance still leaves a lot to be desired.

  • @rovertdoow1st
    @rovertdoow1st 6 років тому +7

    “I was scared that I was approaching 2000 hours”, me at 7000 hours on football manager 2016

  • @oldguysrock2170
    @oldguysrock2170 5 років тому +2

    I love this game. Playing the campaigns are so relaxing. I have tried just about all the factions and they all present challenges.

  • @vulcanjoe8258
    @vulcanjoe8258 8 років тому +1

    I know the feeling over having over 1000 hours on Rome with different PC's. My first built PC was purely for this game, I played the original disc demo that I got from my local news agency from one of the PC mags. Such an iconic and beautiful game too this day.

  • @ramonruijgt4532
    @ramonruijgt4532 8 років тому +3

    i like that in rome 1 you can have unite in smaller stacks or single unites.
    then in the modern all in one stack thing.

  • @Luraldir_Original
    @Luraldir_Original 6 років тому +3

    Julii represent

  • @marciomaiajr
    @marciomaiajr 8 років тому +18

    My god, you must be the world's best rome total war player! Please, make a series. Back when I played this game my strategy was basically to try to outnumber my foes in every battle. Unfortunately that usually doesn't work well after the initial battles.

    • @nolongeraperson
      @nolongeraperson 8 років тому +7

      I mean, when you have close to 2000 hours, you're bound to be good.

    • @giorgilobjanidze5667
      @giorgilobjanidze5667 8 років тому +8

      check out legend of total war
      now that guy is good

    • @goldflame3390
      @goldflame3390 8 років тому

      Reign Nope

    • @jasonfenton8250
      @jasonfenton8250 8 років тому +3

      Marcio Maia Hammer and anvil tactics are the best for a beginner to learn since they can apply to all factions and are easy to learn. Get a strong infantry line to engage the enemy, they form your anvil and hold the enemy in place, then take your cav, your hammer, and smash into the enemy's rear. Once the cavalry completes their charge, don't let them get stuck into an engagement, have them pull back and charge again. The heavy casualties and morale shock of the cav charges will rout your foes quickly.
      Not that outnumbering your foe is a bad idea, having a strong economy lets you produce big armies, allowing you more mistakes on the battlefield.
      Read up on actual ancient tactics if you want, you'll learn history and the tactics can often be applied to Total War. I always try to use historical tactics, like deploying in the checkerboard triplex acies as romans.

    • @sagittarius5466
      @sagittarius5466 7 років тому +1

      Marcio Maia yeah you definitely should go and watch legend of total war playing a Rome 1 campaign!

  • @ElGrandoCaymano
    @ElGrandoCaymano 4 роки тому +1

    Regarding Rhodes, archaeologists strongly consider that the Colossus was actually on the hill overlooking the city (Rodos Town), rather than at the harbour.

  • @thomasrevill7723
    @thomasrevill7723 7 років тому +1

    I had a great save where I had a fort built in the mountains between Apollonia, Greece and Macedon and I had a massive battle with a Greek force of 20,000 and a Brutii force of 5000 + 300 reinforcements. Absolutely crushed them and Amulius became my favourite general until he died after falling ill. Macedon betrayed me shortly after that, as well.

  • @msullivan85
    @msullivan85 6 років тому +3

    My favorite game of all time.

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV 3 роки тому +3

    Let's all take a minute to appreciate Steve's courage

  • @thelonelyliar
    @thelonelyliar 7 років тому +20

    All I want to know is how you got the game to run so well.

  • @azechoteam5119
    @azechoteam5119 7 років тому +1

    I've been playing this game for years and I still learned new things. Nice video. I actually had no idea some units could heal after a battle.

  • @ShackleYT
    @ShackleYT 6 років тому +1

    bloody hell, i remember this... i got it at a school fundraiser. i could never figure out how to play, so all i did was make a battle where i had a full garrison of elephants facing off with an army of peasants...

  • @Stellos812
    @Stellos812 8 років тому +49

    Damn! These are the reasons why I REALLY REALLY want to buy a pc. Plus Stellaris and Civ. But, dammit to hell I have no money!!

    • @oscarwells7763
      @oscarwells7763 8 років тому +3

      Koby Wilson if you have an iPad you can buy it for 10 dollars on the App Store

    • @Stellos812
      @Stellos812 8 років тому

      Oscar Wells I don't have an iPad, so that's not possible for me.😢

    • @jonasulvestad6070
      @jonasulvestad6070 8 років тому

      Koby Wilson how are you watching videos?

    • @Stellos812
      @Stellos812 8 років тому

      jonas jensen Via phone, tablet, or Xbox. Computers aren't the only resource to watch UA-cam.

    • @jonasulvestad6070
      @jonasulvestad6070 8 років тому +1

      oh ok :D

  • @insanegamer23899
    @insanegamer23899 8 років тому +13

    War. War never changes.

    • @The_SmorgMan
      @The_SmorgMan 4 роки тому

      YK fallout total war,
      Armies of super mutant behemoths vs Brahmin and orphaned kids.

  • @patrickrogan8100
    @patrickrogan8100 8 років тому +15

    This will be a full series, yes?

    • @underjaked
      @underjaked 8 років тому +7

      Patrick Rogan yes every Tuesday and Thursday

  • @gtavmj-1852
    @gtavmj-1852 2 роки тому +2

    I litralley QUIT WORK... and played this NON STOP for 8 SOLID MONTHS,.. no regrets!!!... now THATS A GAME!!😅🤣😂🤣😂

  • @declanlewis619
    @declanlewis619 3 роки тому +2

    Let us recognize the first casualties In a great series John and John 18:17