well.. right now if you're lucky and can find a good deal the price difference is about 200 euros tops. I think I woul'd rather go with the new one even if the old set looks better.
For everyone asking about if they have released pricing yet, they have just in a private manner. The only people that know are ones inside the bike industry (pro team related, select journalists, bike mechanics, etc.). Myself being a bike mechanic I have had the opportunity to see the mechanical rim brake pricing and details. The first time this will be available to the consumer is the very beginning of September in limited quanities. The arrival of the other versions hasn't been confirmed from what I have seen although should trickle through the months following. This makes sense as to why the early release 2017 bike models in the higher end models only had Sram like the Sworks Tarmac.
I just wish they'd move the brake pivots up. One of the things I love about my SRAM group is that I can easily use the brakes when I'm up on the hoods, but with all the Shimano ones I've tried my hands end up grabbing the levers directly on top of the brake pivot and I get no leverage.
Yes! This used to put me right off Shimano, but the newer 11speed shifters are much better. Saying that... for anyone with smaller hands (or running rim vs mech disc brakes) than me it could still be an issue.
The only real improvemnet I have heard for the new mechanical dura ace is the tension adjustment on the front mech. Aside from that I can't really see any one upgrading from the previous version of dura ace and Lets be honest here, the only real world difference between Ultegra and Dura ace is that previous Dura Ace does look a lot nicer and a bit bling, the weight difference is minimal and that can be made up on Ultegra by putting on something like an Edco monoblock cassette. Infact a lot of dura ace riders ditch the DA Cassette because of the failure rate of them and run an ultegra cassette.
Do the new derailleur is back to the future but with an onboard cable adjuster. Some guys have been using old FD's with inline adjusters and current brifters with great success. I ran a microshift FD with adjuster and 6800 and I preferred the feel over my long arm 6800 FD. The long arm work well but the initial force to get it moving was a bit iffy.
Looks like the front mech will be a good upgrade for my caad as the cable routing for the fd is quite stright and to go to the outter trim on the little ring from the inner trim took a good amount of force
Since the new Dura-Ace is compatible with the old, I 'd just buy the rear derailleur and the new 11-30 cassette to get lower gears. I hope they come out with an 11-32 option as well.
I am still running DA 9 speed groupset including DA hub. It works fine. I don't know when I will replace DA and if I do in say 10 years, 105 should be fine as I am a senior citizen now on my retirement income, have to save.
For the group sets coming up it would be nice to go through the gears on a stand in the shop. I would like to hear and see the motion of the gear changes
Shifting has gotten so good that it is very very hard to make it better. Even a tech geek like me, who spends many many dollars a year on bike related items cannot honestly look my wife in the eye and say "honey this is better than the 9100" Price isn't confirmed yet, but I think this is going to retail for 2500 - 3000 USD, at that price point, there is simply no way I am willing to get one. Old DA Di 2 shifts perfectly and looks better IMHO.
Maybe someone can explain, but outside of redesigning the placement of or how the dropouts exist on the rear triangle you still have a predetermine length on a given rim, let's say the most common the 700., from axle to tires contact surface. Don't see this allowing a shorter chain stay, seat stay is easily done in frame design. The distance is still the same from dropout to end if tire.
As far as I understand, according to Shimano the only thing not necessarily cross compatible are the cranksets. Cranksets require matching derailleurs. But other than that, everything is good to go.
+Yo-yo not true. I ran an 11sp ultegra crankset with the 10sp ultegra group for a long time and it was fine. The difference with the new cranks is that they'll work better with shorter chain stays and 142x12 or 135mm chainlines.
TruToneTube When I say according to Shimano, I really mean Shimano. Someone asked this question on FaceBook whether the R9100 cranksets are compatible with current 11 speed groupsets, and Shimano themselves responded with that answer. I really don't know what to say. It may work or it may not. It can be Shimano pulling our legs which usually means that cross compatibility leads to a unrefined user experience and so they don't recommend it (like being able to use a 11-32T cassette on the DA9000 derailleurs).
+Yo-yo Shimano is very conservative with spec. If you want the Shimano approved optimal performance, stick with their specifications, but the product can often work outside of spec without any issues. I wouldn't recommend going outside Shimano spec, but the question wws whether it would work. Yes, but maybe not perfectly, or maybe not well for everyone.
This groupset looks great! But on my TT, I prefer to stay with the rim brakes, plus I have Shimano Di2 on it. Of course, my CX and MTB both have disc brakes. I'm still on the fence when it comes to the disc brakes, though. My MTB is the first bike I've ever owned or even ridden that has disc brakes.
I wonder why bike cables are not wrapped around a post as in a guitar tuner. If the post was turnable also as in a guitar tuner, then adjusting cable tension would be as easy as turning the tuner (or maybe an allen wrench adjuster...)
SRAM eTap more impressive? I think so. This seems like the changes are so subtle that let's face it besides the different colour if this was on your bike instead of the durace 9000 and you weren't told, I bet you couldn't tell the difference.
I really hope the black shoes/white socks doesn't catch on. Sagan went back to white (and gold), tho Nibali is still holding out. I don't know, it just reminds me of my old grandfather...
Lever throw seem al long an my las gen 105, I'm sure it's snappier and crispier and whatnot but it doesn't LOOK any shorter, of course I've never seen myself shiting but if that is shorter than DA9000 wich was also shorter than the lesser groups of it's generation I may be pointing the lever up to the stem each time I shift.
Si I think you have to step up your sock game significantly, I mean black shoes and white socks uuuuuh just no. I think GCN has a good video about that topic.
+Rixter nope, same chain line. 9170 Di2 derailleur components will only function with other Di2 components of the same group. The Di2 firmware blocks any kind of group mixing. If you mean mechanical, yes the parts are cross compatible.
Are you in testing in France? realized at the end of the video you're riding on the right hand side of the road. Does that get confusing going back and forth between break set up for riding on different sides of the road? do you have to take specific bikes with you depending on where you ride (in regards to which side the front and rear breaks are set up on)? Wow that leads to another question regarding break set up in the pro peloton, is there a rule which mandates which shifter the front and rear brakes are set up to?
+Fredrik HL in the US rear breaks are attached to the right brifter because you use your left hand to signal turns on the right side of the road. In the UK you ride on the left side of the road and you use your right hand to signal so the breaks are attached to the left brifter. Does that make sense?
I'm not sure what the big deal is with pro's racing disk brakes, surely they could just run disk covers ala enduro dirtbikes. The braking performance is considerably better and a wafer thin, carbon disk cover would prevent injury with minimal weight/aero cost.
I doubt that a wafer thin sheet of carbon will provide any protection as it would break nearly instantly upon impact, and carbon being quite a stiff material does not help with it's ability to absorb shock. I'm no expert on bikes, but I'm sure that riders are also concerned about the small amount of weight that disc brakes add. However riders would probably find the greater control from disc brakes to be more important than the added weight.
I think it is all a safety thing in the pro peloton, and not just riders getting cut by disks but post crash it's much harder to tell if you have a damaged hydraulic hose that might cause you to loose braking down the road. Also with the difference in braking if you have some people on disks and some on rims that braking difference especially in the wet could lead to crashes in the peloton.
It is not only a question of safety but also a question of economic efficiency. Yes, I understand that no one is forcing anyone to buy a new road bike with discs. But here we have the industry changing a standard which will trigger many knock on effects for people paying retail for gear and replacement parts. The real benefits to this standard change is negligible. Do disc brakes work better? Yes. Is the cost of that improvement in braking performance worth the obsolescence of basically all your wheels and frames? Probably not. Watch the pros and ask, how many crashes would be avoided if they had discs. Probably not all that many.
Agreed. Had this change come years back before they worked out rim braking on carbon wheels then it might have been more justified. This is mostly a push to convince the average consumer that they need a new bike. The overall quality of bike frames and components has gotten so good even at the lower level that bikes last so long if taken care of that the industry has to invent new reasons for people to buy a new bike. Also not everyone lives where they do a lot of descending and need better braking, I live where it is mostly flat, I will get 3 years out of a set of brake pads so disks are of zero interest for me.
Disc brakes will deliver a positive cost/benefit payout to a very narrow subset of cyclists; the hard men/women who either ride fast and/or descend in wet conditions. For everyone else particularly those of us with a stockpile of expensive frames and wheels which are expected to last YEARS. Disc brakes are a "gimmick" a .50 calibre rifle for rat hunting. This is not like the move from down-tube sifters or from steel to carbon. This is more of a choice between Ultegra and Dura Ace, is one better than teh other...yeh...does it warrant this outlay of cash...no
I love Shimano marketing, Our standard derailleur now accepts 30T cassettes. Don't tell anyone that out new standard is what everyone else calls a medium cage.
MRGRUMPY53 I think it is less about fat and slow and more about a change in climbing style, you don't see many riders grinding out climbs anymore its more about having a gear to spin a high cadence up the hill. It's also about letting recreational riders tackle climbs they might not have tried before.
My Dura Ace 7400 still works perfecty. Not just the group, but also the according hubs (and wheels obviously). If I had to chose bewteen an older Dura Ace or a new bugdet groupset I would pick the used stuff.
+rebellis13 what year(s) were the 7400 in production? I have an older bike with dura ace components, I'm not sure what the model numbers are. They work perfectly though and shift a lot smoother than my newer bike that has probably the cheapest shimano parts possible on it. I was just curious really, I haven't really kept up with all the variations to know what is different in all the ranges.
My first generation Dura Ace Sti (8 speed) still shifts perfectly, both front and rear and is on my 1989 Reynolds 653 custom built frame ... to me, the new low tier Shimano feels flimsy in comparison and somehow feels more 'disposable'
Dura Ace 7400 was build from 1984 - 1995. It was the first group available with brake-shift-levers nicked STI, and this way it came as 8speed setup. My Dura ace is from 1990 as 8speed with downtube shifters (nice riding and experience) and build on an appropiate bike from the time. A Look kg86, a bike which french cycling legend Bernard Hinault was riding in 1986 - it was the first "mass produced" carbon fiber frame (lugged). The wheels are custom build with time appropiate Mavic Open 4cd on Dura Ace hubs. Everything runs super smooth despite its age.
Don't do it :-D!! ... mine still works perfectly after twenty five years and you have an extra three gears to carry around today ... who needs them ;-O!!
That would be more of a downgrade since 7400 was the best one then it went downhill this is all poor quality now the old one was made to last and works like a charm after 25 years besides 8 gears is enough.
Yeah I got 7sp 105 and it's bang, bang, we're talking serious clunking here lol the new ones are more like tick tick, very quiet and smoother cause there's less difference between cogs in number of teeth. I like the way my 7sp shifts though, it makes people move out of my way lol
If I never use my front derailleur, should I care that it has an easier throw? I' would much rather see the elimination of the front derailleur but I'm sure Shimano, disagrees. Pretty hilarious, if you ask me, how they say "Exlusive Video, LAUNCH Dura Ace Groupset" as if they have re-invented the shifters. LOL
Yes, but why ever did they change the chainrings just for style? This was an incredibly dumb move. Only now are we able to get any chainring we want at a reasonable price. Now they changed it with very marginal gain. I don't like the sharper edges, always bad in a crash. It's also just as heavy. So really, except for disc'ers this change was for Shimano, not us. DA is for racers, and racers don't use discs...
Who is ever going to buy dura ace, other than (semi) professional riders?? I mean, specifically regarding cost/effective ratio. Even Ultegra performs super smooth. Can anyone tell me why I should spend such an amount of money for a dura ace groupset???
Look at all you roadies getting the MTB hand-me-downs. Disc brakes, shadow rear mech's, wider tyres...soon you'll be running narrow-wide chain rings and type 2.1 mech's. It's like grandpa saw his grand kids playing with some modern toys, now he's got an iPhone.
the best thing about this new dura-ace is that we'll see a price drop on dura-ace that's out currently :)
Thats what i was thinking of since the new ace release
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well.. right now if you're lucky and can find a good deal the price difference is about 200 euros tops.
I think I woul'd rather go with the new one even if the old set looks better.
200 is a lot.
you're spending 1300+ and 200 is a lot?
R9100 is so rare that Shimano won't let Matt ride it in case he crashes and damages it.
He's still trying to clip in to the new Dura Ace pedals
Si changed his sock game😱😱
Does that dude have the best job ever or what?! :D
I have better.
Manila Crit It's not a job, it's blessing!
That's right
I wondered where my daughters school socks went!
For everyone asking about if they have released pricing yet, they have just in a private manner. The only people that know are ones inside the bike industry (pro team related, select journalists, bike mechanics, etc.). Myself being a bike mechanic I have had the opportunity to see the mechanical rim brake pricing and details. The first time this will be available to the consumer is the very beginning of September in limited quanities. The arrival of the other versions hasn't been confirmed from what I have seen although should trickle through the months following. This makes sense as to why the early release 2017 bike models in the higher end models only had Sram like the Sworks Tarmac.
Si I must say, you have a solid sock and shoe gain, you should be proud.
Black shoes?! I don't know who you are anymore, Si!
I've been waiting for this video for so long!!!
I just wish they'd move the brake pivots up. One of the things I love about my SRAM group is that I can easily use the brakes when I'm up on the hoods, but with all the Shimano ones I've tried my hands end up grabbing the levers directly on top of the brake pivot and I get no leverage.
Yes! This used to put me right off Shimano, but the newer 11speed shifters are much better. Saying that... for anyone with smaller hands (or running rim vs mech disc brakes) than me it could still be an issue.
I'll stick to my Shimano Tourney
Nah! You want Sachs Huret mate ;-)
I have a shimano tourney with MTB an front derailleur and 7Vel cassete, in an 80's bike lol
Carrera bike from Halfords?
You'll be the only one...
Actually, if you look at it, this new DA rear derailer does look like a Tourney rear derailer......
The only real improvemnet I have heard for the new mechanical dura ace is the tension adjustment on the front mech. Aside from that I can't really see any one upgrading from the previous version of dura ace and Lets be honest here, the only real world difference between Ultegra and Dura ace is that previous Dura Ace does look a lot nicer and a bit bling, the weight difference is minimal and that can be made up on Ultegra by putting on something like an Edco monoblock cassette. Infact a lot of dura ace riders ditch the DA Cassette because of the failure rate of them and run an ultegra cassette.
Do the new derailleur is back to the future but with an onboard cable adjuster. Some guys have been using old FD's with inline adjusters and current brifters with great success. I ran a microshift FD with adjuster and 6800 and I preferred the feel over my long arm 6800 FD. The long arm work well but the initial force to get it moving was a bit iffy.
that rear mech is a hot look
Looks like the front mech will be a good upgrade for my caad as the cable routing for the fd is quite stright and to go to the outter trim on the little ring from the inner trim took a good amount of force
I shall wait impatiently for the Di2 Rim and Disc Test. Come on Shimano make it happen
Since the new Dura-Ace is compatible with the old, I 'd just buy the rear derailleur and the new 11-30 cassette to get lower gears. I hope they come out with an 11-32 option as well.
I am still running DA 9 speed groupset including DA hub. It works fine. I don't know when I will replace DA and if I do in say 10 years, 105 should be fine as I am a senior citizen now on my retirement income, have to save.
105 5800 on the winter bike, Dura Ace 9000 on the best bike. Job done and shimano not getting me to spend any more cash anytime soon!
For the group sets coming up it would be nice to go through the gears on a stand in the shop. I would like to hear and see the motion of the gear changes
I'm drooling and crying for that Pinarello.....WHYYYYY
Sora-Ace
지엔K 형이 왜 거기서나와?
Looking pretty happy on that Pinarello Si!
Shifting has gotten so good that it is very very hard to make it better. Even a tech geek like me, who spends many many dollars a year on bike related items cannot honestly look my wife in the eye and say "honey this is better than the 9100"
Price isn't confirmed yet, but I think this is going to retail for 2500 - 3000 USD, at that price point, there is simply no way I am willing to get one. Old DA Di 2 shifts perfectly and looks better IMHO.
Maybe someone can explain, but outside of redesigning the placement of or how the dropouts exist on the rear triangle you still have a predetermine length on a given rim, let's say the most common the 700., from axle to tires contact surface. Don't see this allowing a shorter chain stay, seat stay is easily done in frame design. The distance is still the same from dropout to end if tire.
I'd like a solid explanation of what all is cross compatible with the current dura ace
As far as I understand, according to Shimano the only thing not necessarily cross compatible are the cranksets. Cranksets require matching derailleurs. But other than that, everything is good to go.
+Yo-yo not true. I ran an 11sp ultegra crankset with the 10sp ultegra group for a long time and it was fine. The difference with the new cranks is that they'll work better with shorter chain stays and 142x12 or 135mm chainlines.
TruToneTube When I say according to Shimano, I really mean Shimano. Someone asked this question on FaceBook whether the R9100 cranksets are compatible with current 11 speed groupsets, and Shimano themselves responded with that answer. I really don't know what to say. It may work or it may not. It can be Shimano pulling our legs which usually means that cross compatibility leads to a unrefined user experience and so they don't recommend it (like being able to use a 11-32T cassette on the DA9000 derailleurs).
+Yo-yo Shimano is very conservative with spec. If you want the Shimano approved optimal performance, stick with their specifications, but the product can often work outside of spec without any issues. I wouldn't recommend going outside Shimano spec, but the question wws whether it would work. Yes, but maybe not perfectly, or maybe not well for everyone.
Did Si leave his business socks on?
This groupset looks great! But on my TT, I prefer to stay with the rim brakes, plus I have Shimano Di2 on it. Of course, my CX and MTB both have disc brakes. I'm still on the fence when it comes to the disc brakes, though. My MTB is the first bike I've ever owned or even ridden that has disc brakes.
I wonder why bike cables are not wrapped around a post as in a guitar tuner. If the post was turnable also as in a guitar tuner, then adjusting cable tension would be as easy as turning the tuner (or maybe an allen wrench adjuster...)
I think Shimano saw the Rotor hydraulic coverage of GCN and built one too. :D
SRAM eTap more impressive? I think so. This seems like the changes are so subtle that let's face it besides the different colour if this was on your bike instead of the durace 9000 and you weren't told, I bet you couldn't tell the difference.
I have a guy in my ride group that goes on and on about eTap. I think he might, just *might* want a bike with it.
this shit is only worth getting if you get the Di2 model because of the auto trim in the front mech. otherwise it's the same old tired shit.
Si returns to childhood in 3...2...1, classic :p!
Hello I'm into bikes but I was wondering Which bike should I buy a fixed gear or a road bike ??
Dear GCN, please explain the differences between low end and high end groupsets.
Weight, durability, ease of use.
finishing touch, and most important is the way Rider look at your bike (COOL LEVEL RISING!)
Functionality, weight, component longevity, resale value. Kind of like the differences between a Toyota Corolla and a BMW M3.
Is Si going for the nibali look with his black and white sock/shoe combo?
Oh when bikes were still nice to ride and look at
couldn't agree more
Yet again great Video.
Nice video. How do the new fizik R1B shoes ride actually?
I really hope the black shoes/white socks doesn't catch on. Sagan went back to white (and gold), tho Nibali is still holding out. I don't know, it just reminds me of my old grandfather...
Great video. What are the shoes your wearing?
can you guys make a video on the 2017 s-works tarmac & on the etixx quick step s-works tarmac.
Lever throw seem al long an my las gen 105, I'm sure it's snappier and crispier and whatnot but it doesn't LOOK any shorter, of course I've never seen myself shiting but if that is shorter than DA9000 wich was also shorter than the lesser groups of it's generation I may be pointing the lever up to the stem each time I shift.
Simon do they need that bike back,I could really do with a new bike 😂awesome looking bike
Is the dura ace are easy to brake?? I watch some videos that the crankarm of dura ace brakes!
Simon, is the Dogma F8 as aggressive a Geo as they say? Notice you're running a lot of spacing.
OMFG IT CHANGES GEAR!!!!!!
"About this new Jewish groupset..." UA-cam captions, we love you.
Nice Ride Si, Super jealous! :P
Hey Si how's that pinarello dogma f8 with a combination of the new dura ace. So awesome🚴🚴🚴
mad aero gains!!
What is that fantastic music in the background? And where can I find it?!?
Si, you are wrong, this is not a Sadow+ derailleur, it is just Shadow, Shadow+ have clutch.
Looks nicer than the last version. But still way out of my price range lol
Si I think you have to step up your sock game significantly, I mean black shoes and white socks uuuuuh just no. I think GCN has a good video about that topic.
So the rear derailleur is just an ultegra derailleur?
It's direct mount and it's a lot lighter.
Is there anywhere I can buy that grey GCN jumper ? I like it
I wonder if that new front mech compatible with the last generation 9070 groupset
It is, as long as it is paired with the 9170 rear mech.
Oh, different chainline I suppose. Swapping out front and rear derailleurs would be expensive. I think I'll stick with mine
+Rixter nope, same chain line. 9170 Di2 derailleur components will only function with other Di2 components of the same group. The Di2 firmware blocks any kind of group mixing. If you mean mechanical, yes the parts are cross compatible.
Wait! Isn't the new Dura Ace R9200 12 speed groupset out in the Spring?
Are you in testing in France? realized at the end of the video you're riding on the right hand side of the road. Does that get confusing going back and forth between break set up for riding on different sides of the road? do you have to take specific bikes with you depending on where you ride (in regards to which side the front and rear breaks are set up on)? Wow that leads to another question regarding break set up in the pro peloton, is there a rule which mandates which shifter the front and rear brakes are set up to?
Your comment makes no sense.
+Fredrik HL in the US rear breaks are attached to the right brifter because you use your left hand to signal turns on the right side of the road. In the UK you ride on the left side of the road and you use your right hand to signal so the breaks are attached to the left brifter. Does that make sense?
sudah ada nih Dura Ace R 9100 disini gan... m.ua-cam.com/video/zWRW7wvj6y0/v-deo.html
Why did you not comment on the brakes?!!?!
nice new disco slippers si
and I just got my first entry level Road bike with Shimano Tourney A070 groupset...sucks to be poor.
This video looks so HD, I think Simon is about to ride into my living room.
The question I have is: "Does it shift better than the previous Shimano Durace and Ultegra generation?"
What type of shoes is Si using??
how are those vittoria tires?
Shimano didn't trust Si with more bling wheels?
Pretty cool...!!
nice shoes !
How is still here in 2024 to look at the peak of mechanical shifting?
I'm not sure what the big deal is with pro's racing disk brakes, surely they could just run disk covers ala enduro dirtbikes. The braking performance is considerably better and a wafer thin, carbon disk cover would prevent injury with minimal weight/aero cost.
I doubt that a wafer thin sheet of carbon will provide any protection as it would break nearly instantly upon impact, and carbon being quite a stiff material does not help with it's ability to absorb shock.
I'm no expert on bikes, but I'm sure that riders are also concerned about the small amount of weight that disc brakes add. However riders would probably find the greater control from disc brakes to be more important than the added weight.
I think it is all a safety thing in the pro peloton, and not just riders getting cut by disks but post crash it's much harder to tell if you have a damaged hydraulic hose that might cause you to loose braking down the road. Also with the difference in braking if you have some people on disks and some on rims that braking difference especially in the wet could lead to crashes in the peloton.
It is not only a question of safety but also a question of economic efficiency. Yes, I understand that no one is forcing anyone to buy a new road bike with discs. But here we have the industry changing a standard which will trigger many knock on effects for people paying retail for gear and replacement parts. The real benefits to this standard change is negligible. Do disc brakes work better? Yes. Is the cost of that improvement in braking performance worth the obsolescence of basically all your wheels and frames? Probably not.
Watch the pros and ask, how many crashes would be avoided if they had discs. Probably not all that many.
Agreed. Had this change come years back before they worked out rim braking on carbon wheels then it might have been more justified. This is mostly a push to convince the average consumer that they need a new bike. The overall quality of bike frames and components has gotten so good even at the lower level that bikes last so long if taken care of that the industry has to invent new reasons for people to buy a new bike. Also not everyone lives where they do a lot of descending and need better braking, I live where it is mostly flat, I will get 3 years out of a set of brake pads so disks are of zero interest for me.
Disc brakes will deliver a positive cost/benefit payout to a very narrow subset of cyclists; the hard men/women who either ride fast and/or descend in wet conditions.
For everyone else particularly those of us with a stockpile of expensive frames and wheels which are expected to last YEARS. Disc brakes are a "gimmick" a .50 calibre rifle for rat hunting.
This is not like the move from down-tube sifters or from steel to carbon. This is more of a choice between Ultegra and Dura Ace, is one better than teh other...yeh...does it warrant this outlay of cash...no
When does this come out?
after my Di2 I would never ever go back to mechanical group set again
Where can I get a GCN bottle?
I respect the legacy of Shimano, especially in the pro peloton. But SRAM feels so much better, particularly, with its Double-Tap technology.
I'm really struggling to see any benifit here. Other than the use of a 30t cassette the changes are so minimal that I wouldn't spend my money here.
I love Shimano marketing, Our standard derailleur now accepts 30T cassettes. Don't tell anyone that out new standard is what everyone else calls a medium cage.
MRGRUMPY53 I think it is less about fat and slow and more about a change in climbing style, you don't see many riders grinding out climbs anymore its more about having a gear to spin a high cadence up the hill. It's also about letting recreational riders tackle climbs they might not have tried before.
What would be better, older dura ace (say circa 2008) or current low tier shimano.
Newer Shimano
My Dura Ace 7400 still works perfecty. Not just the group, but also the according hubs (and wheels obviously).
If I had to chose bewteen an older Dura Ace or a new bugdet groupset I would pick the used stuff.
+rebellis13 what year(s) were the 7400 in production? I have an older bike with dura ace components, I'm not sure what the model numbers are. They work perfectly though and shift a lot smoother than my newer bike that has probably the cheapest shimano parts possible on it. I was just curious really, I haven't really kept up with all the variations to know what is different in all the ranges.
My first generation Dura Ace Sti (8 speed) still shifts perfectly, both front and rear and is on my 1989 Reynolds 653 custom built frame ... to me, the new low tier Shimano feels flimsy in comparison and somehow feels more 'disposable'
Dura Ace 7400 was build from 1984 - 1995. It was the first group available with brake-shift-levers nicked STI, and this way it came as 8speed setup.
My Dura ace is from 1990 as 8speed with downtube shifters (nice riding and experience) and build on an appropiate bike from the time. A Look kg86, a bike which french cycling legend Bernard Hinault was riding in 1986 - it was the first "mass produced" carbon fiber frame (lugged).
The wheels are custom build with time appropiate Mavic Open 4cd on Dura Ace hubs.
Everything runs super smooth despite its age.
Trickle-up aesthetics from 105
What shoes are those?
www.fizik.com/eu_en/men/shoes/road/r1b.html
Does anyone know what di2 stands for? Derailleur intelligence?
What's wrong with disk brakes?
Tue Bike is 55 or 56?
Might be time to upgrade my Dura ace 8 speed lol.
Don't do it :-D!! ... mine still works perfectly after twenty five years and you have an extra three gears to carry around today ... who needs them ;-O!!
Don't worry the Dura ace 8 speed on my bike is here to stay,hell I think it`s going to last longer than me :0
That would be more of a downgrade since 7400 was the best one then it went downhill this is all poor quality now the old one was made to last and works like a charm after 25 years besides 8 gears is enough.
8 gears are enough for sure. I also have a Look running 11 speed 105,they feel so different in the way they shift.
Yeah I got 7sp 105 and it's bang, bang, we're talking serious clunking here lol the new ones are more like tick tick, very quiet and smoother cause there's less difference between cogs in number of teeth. I like the way my 7sp shifts though, it makes people move out of my way lol
what makes this different from my shimano Soria, it does the same thing which is change gears
faster shifting and it's also a hella of a lot lighter.
Also stiffness and efficiency. I went from last model ultegra to last model dura ace and felt a huge difference with how smooth and efficient it felt
+MRGRUMPY53 400* miles
That moment when you try to post something about a poor sock game and your phone's autocorrect beats you to it by changing "white" to "errors"...
If I never use my front derailleur, should I care that it has an easier throw? I' would much rather see the elimination of the front derailleur but I'm sure Shimano, disagrees. Pretty hilarious, if you ask me, how they say "Exlusive Video, LAUNCH Dura Ace Groupset" as if they have re-invented the shifters. LOL
Gimme that trickle down
Yes, but why ever did they change the chainrings just for style? This was an incredibly dumb move. Only now are we able to get any chainring we want at a reasonable price. Now they changed it with very marginal gain. I don't like the sharper edges, always bad in a crash. It's also just as heavy. So really, except for disc'ers this change was for Shimano, not us. DA is for racers, and racers don't use discs...
Who is ever going to buy dura ace, other than (semi) professional riders?? I mean, specifically regarding cost/effective ratio. Even Ultegra performs super smooth. Can anyone tell me why I should spend such an amount of money for a dura ace groupset???
inferno4001 because I want the best and can afford the best..
Until the next "best" comes out - you're an ad man's dream lol
Look at all you roadies getting the MTB hand-me-downs.
Disc brakes, shadow rear mech's, wider tyres...soon you'll be running narrow-wide chain rings and type 2.1 mech's. It's like grandpa saw his grand kids playing with some modern toys, now he's got an iPhone.
Did Si mistakenly pack his tennis socks? 😜
The rear derailluer looks hideous. The 9000 derailluer looks great.
No new wheelset impressions?
Where the heck are the c60 wheels!?
"You lucky little ....gahhhh"
Where's the intro music from? :)
Black shoes for Si? That's a first. White socks don't work though.
"It's nice." No, you're kidding.