He was so damn good. He was evil as fuck but he also played a confused and heartbroken kid who was led astray by the death of his father, but then redeemed himself only for it all to end in tragedy.
Yea always good to watch a fan fock straight made up crazy things that of were real u would at least see the news showing it if not see it urself. Quit living in a dream world.
I actually think Derek was right in some of what he said, but he went about it in ENTIRELY the wrong way. The DOC gang, the crimes, the looting, the curb......such behavior must be punished.
I've never listened to the curb stomp since I watched the movie in the theatre. I actively mute or turn it off, usually I don't even watch it muted either, I turn away.
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" Such a powerful moment. Holding onto anger is like picking up a hot coal with the intent to throw it at another - you're the one who gets burned.
That line has replayed in my head over and over since I watched the movie. I love the way this movie shows how powerful words can be. Negatively and positively too.
Agreed. Derek didn't deserve to have his father taken away from him. My heart breaks that he had to go through that at such a young age But what he did is not the answer. Doris should have tried to move her family to a safer neighborhood, hell maybe even a different STATE, and Derek should have just focused on the well-being of his family and himself and forgotten everything else, not held on so tightly to his anger and bitterness. Because the cruel harsh truth is, the outside world doesn't care how much you suffer. Life goes on. People keep living their own lives and dealing with their own crap.
All the supporting actors are great in this too. But I have always thought Beverly D'Angelo was very underrated. You can just feel the pain on her face.
When she says "I'm ashamed you came out of my body", it hits me every time. I can definitely feel the pain there behind that. Edit: Forgot to add the other line that punches me every time. The prison visit when she says "You think I'm not in here with you?!"
This movie is a incredibly difficult watch but it’s worth seeing at least once. Edward Norton is riveting and Edward Furlong was never better. Great film.
it is a movie everyone should watch continually as time goes on. Once is no where near enough. Stuff like this needs to be a constant reminder that nothing has changed.
@@tiananesbitt7156 Wonder what became of her? she always kind of terrified me as an actress. I remember seeing her in the Craft and some other film where she played a teenage serial killer in the 1950s. She always played deranged really well
Which is funny bc even back then most teachers never really cared about the students who were really troubled. It's their parents' responsibility to do that tbf, but what most teachers never really realize is that they are also role models and far too few of them take on that monumental task responsibly.
@@yaqubebased1961 yess absolutely correct. Kids will spend almost half thier childhood in kindergarten/ school growing up and the teachers are responsible for them while they are there
Because of how gruesome the film can be and Norton's powerful leading performance, it over shadows Edward Furlongs performance which is the heart of the film. His performance shows how great of an actor he can be, this was probably his last great performance. He's fantastic in this film, especially with is narration.
This film is brutal. I saw it when I was 19. I'm ashamed to admit, alot of my friends and I thought Derek and the shit he did was cool and badass. At 45, after doing some time myself and having kids Danny's age, I am glad I don't think that way anymore
Your commentary/discussion after the movie was so spot on and insightful. I loved what Daniel said about how hate is easy but love and humor are hard. My family loves watching you two.
The line "You think, I'm not in here with you" always hits me the hardest. I mean, it definitely gets some stronger meaning, once you've had to take care of your own children.....
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" A great question which I actually found myself asking people. Avery Brooks gives a great performance in addition to Edward Norton.
Since you two watched this film, I highly recommend Boyz n the Hood. It shows the other side of the gang life with African-American teens and the cultural differences they experience and the consequences they face.
My favorite performances by Edward Norton and Edward Furlong. It's a very powerful and unsettling movie. Another brilliant reaction from Tbr and samantha.
Yep, Ed Norton used to be my #1 all time favorite actor for a LOOOOONG time. He always picked great projects. But I'm not sure if I could pick a "best" performance of his. I always loved him in Keeping The Faith, too....
yes, I agree. Because the infection of niggers and spics continues to grow. They are like a FUCKING cancer and at this point, it's out of control. It's time again to form death squads like the ustachi and remove these parasites.
Ed Norton is my man-crush. Dude kills it in pretty much everything. This movie is so damned powerful. I highly recommend Death to Smoochy. A black comedy with Norton , Robin Williams, and many more fantastic stars. Definitely put it on your list!
Geez that poll was a great list of movies, can't wait for all those to end up on here eventually. Your reaction and discussion was fantastic. Thank you.
Well edited. As a former neo nazi in high school this movie shattered everything I thought I knew. It wasn't for nothing, but I was like both of them and had nowhere to turn. Didn't last long though, I'm 47 now and I cry at this movie every time. Only took me a yr before logic took precidance. Can't believe I believed like that. 30 yrs later it still affects me. Thank yall for understanding. It took one black dude, then another, and another. And another pos white boy and another to make me see the reality.
This is one of those movies that everybody should see at least once. It's a tough watch, and that's what makes it so great. None of us are born hating anybody--it's entirely learned. And it can be unlearned, too. EDIT: I typed this up & posted it before I heard you two say essentially the same thing in the video. 😁
There are numerous studies that have shown infants exhibiting racial preferences. In-race preference is not hatred. Too many people assume because someone loves the color orange that they hate the color blue.
@@jongordon7914 I'm not familiar with the studies you mention (I don't doubt you, I just haven't really delved deeply into this). What I do know, though, is that humans (like any other social animal) are pre-wired to love and trust members of our "tribe" while fearing outsiders. It's a basic principle of survival. That being said, it is still up to the elders to teach infants who the "tribe" entails.
Great movie and this movie would never get made in today's Hollywood. This movie shows that racism/hatred coming from the whites or blacks will destroy your life in the end. Danny dies for nothing, and that black kid just threw his whole life away.
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" That was a hard but powerful question. Around 10 years ago I actually asked myself that when I was laying in a hospital bed after being shot 3 times including once in the neck.
This should be part of high school curriculum. It's a powerful message of change and healing, with the repercussions of hate. I find the performances of three actors I normally associate with comedies to be standouts - Beverly D'Angelo, Stacy Keach, and Ethan Suplee.
When it first came out it was shown in some High School Social Studies and Sociology Classes. But Today it would be banned in a lot of Red States because it would make some White Fascists "Uncomfortable".
@@jamesalexander5623 What an absolutely moronic statement. You showed off your ignorance and blatant racism. Why are you cowards so afraid to call out Black racism? Something tells me you missed all the unprovoked Black racial violence in this movie.
@@jamesalexander5623 Schools are infiltrated with leftist rhetoric these days. To think "white fascists" are running things is just laughable. What they should do is teach crime statistics. You'd come out of it with an understanding that only one side is committing the vast majority of the crime and murder in this country and it ain't white people.
In 2005 I met Stacey Keach who plays Cameron. When I was on set of the tv show Prison Break I heard of his name and knew the name. He came out of his trailer and seen him. I got to meet him a few times. He is an amazing person to meet and very kind
This movie is truly incredible, I dont think I have ever seen a movie have the lasting effect it did on me. Maybe Requiem for a dream is close. Funny too cause Edward Norton is in two of my fav films of all time this and Fight Club.
“I’m ashamed that YOU came out of my body!” IMO is the most powerful sentiment of the film. As a mom, she reached the end of her rope and felt like her child did something so shameful that it hurts knowing he’s a part of her. That’s impactful and Beverly D’Angelo’s line delivery is so believable. You hurt for her feeling like she’s lost her son and you feel kinda bad for Derek in that moment having heard his own mother say something like that. No matter what, at the end of the day, he loves his mom and thought he was protecting her. But, he sees maybe for the first time the stark difference in how they each see tue world. No mothers ever wants to say something so harsh to her child. Yet, she feels powerless to influence him positively anymore.
Feels like another lifetime when I saw this in my early 20s on tv. That curb stomp never left my image. Never saw anything like that before in all my years of watching action movies growing up. These movies now are so rare nowadays that it is a work of art
Shoutout to your Patreons. They always select great movies for you guys. It's one of the main reasons i keep coming back to watch your reactions (which are great as well).
Haven’t seen this is a couple years but it’s scary how much this movie encapsulates America today. Right down the the shooting in the school at the end, the violence in school at the beginning. The conversation that he has with his dad at the dinner table is happening in many homes around the country. The anger…. This is film making at its best, and it’s scary…
The thing with Derek's father is, he wasn't the stereotypical racist that we're taught to shun and fear. He wasn't covered in tattoos, he didn't have a shaved head, he wasn't throwing around racial epithets, he was working with minorities in his job, and as we found out, died trying to save the lives of total strangers with a different skin color. Outwardly, he seemed like a completely normal, middle aged white guy. The prejudices were all buried beneath the surface and only shared with those he trusted, and even then he stops short of preaching outright hatred and racism. The blatant racists are a problem, to be sure, but the millions of people like Derek's father are the _real_ problem, and the real reason we still have so many barriers to true equality in the Western world.
This is an incredibly thoughtful take away from the film, I believe you're completely correct. Those type of racist like Derek's father are what will continue to keep hate alive and well for generations to come. People don't understand that racist are rarely caricatures, they are mostly quite normal looking only dropping the mask to people in moments never trying to be "hateful" they think they're just "telling it how it is".
Huh? Derek's father, the one who was murdered by Black people while putting out a house fire in a Black neighborhood, is the REAL problem that's a barrier to true equality? That makes no sense. The greater barrier to equality are racists like Little Henry, who racially bullied and kicked a White kid, racially bullied and threatened to kill Danny simply for walking out of the bathroom and the Black racists that robbed a sleeping family in the middle of the night at gunpoint because they were sore losers that lost a basketball game. The other barrier to true equality are all the people that excuse Black racists CURRENTLY committing racial violence, while simultaneously condemning White people today for the actions of people from 300 years ago that they didn't know or have any relation to. Until people stop being afraid to condemn Black racism, there can never be true equality.
He's the real problem? You literally just admitted he got murdered trying to the save the lives of total strangers with a different skin color. Yeah, sounds like a real problem....not.
As well as blacks typically offing twice as many Whites, as Whites do blacks each year, even though Whites are 4x their population size. It's not just them doing each other.
Originally, the creators of the film were going to end the movie on Derek shaving his head again after Danny's death, symbolizing his return to the hate. I'm glad they didn't go with that, not only because it would have been too much of a bummer ending (more than what we got), but also because, that isn't how it works in real life. People don't go through cycles of going in and out of hate movements. It's incredibly rare to hear of a case where someone went into a hate movement, got themselves out of it, and then went back in because of the same set of circumstances that put them in in the first place.
A couple of other critically acclaimed movies worth watching in this vein are 'La Haine' (1995) and 'Onskan' (2005), the first being French and translates to 'Hatred' and the second being Swedish and translates to 'Evil'. Both powerful movies.
the fact Norton didnt get an Oscar for this, its just as bullshit and shameful as Kilmer not getting one for Tombstone or Saving Private Ryan losing to that boring shit of shakespeare in love or whatever
Daniel and Samantha generally do not pick the films- their patrons propose and successfully vote on a number of older and classic films (eg Lawrence of Arabia, Clockwork Orange, original Planet of the Apes, etc.). Other reactors have mostly recent films with less substance.
@@bbwng54 The first reaction I saw them do, was Green Mile. Long before most started to pile on. That reaction for me hooked on them. I feel like they are genuine, unlike many others out there. Plus, I like their chemistry and personalities. Seem like nice folks.
This film is one that really stays with you. Very heavy and very necessary The acting is incredible and it's crazy how relevant it still is Great reaction 😊
i actually looked at the other choices on the poll for once. there were some bangers in that poll. also i guess mystic river is a crime/thriller, but that could fall under a few other categories. that movie is a must watch!!! tim robbins is almost as good in mystic river as he is in shawshank redemption, almost.
@@ibuprofriends The consequence was that Little Henry was a violent racist. It had nothing to do with whether anyone else had changed or not. He and his friends threw a White kid to the ground and kicked him twice and the ONLY thing that Danny did was walk out of the bathroom and witness it. Then racist Henry racially bullied him, threatened him and eventually murdered him.
There was an alternate ending shot for the film. It shows Derreck in the bathroom after he shaved his head, shirtless showing his swastika tattoo, a gun in his hand, and that same look and smile on his face when he got arrested. So glad they didn't use that ending. Derrick was too smart to go back to that life even after Danny was killed. He felt more guilty for it than blaming someone else. I think in his mind it was in a way he was paying for the sins of his past and that made him feel guilty and even responsible for Danny's death.
I'm amazed they even considered such a thing. The only bright light in this dark film is Derrick's redemption, the only message worth learning comes through Derrick's redemption. It's like they didn't get the point of their own movie.
I just saw an interview with Norton and he was goofing on himself. He said that to film the basketball scene where he dunked the ball, they had to keep lowering the hoop until he could finally do it. He also said that he worked his upper body hard, but that his legs looked like toothpicks, so they had to be careful about how they shot his lower body throughout the film
There was no way I was going to watch this entire film again, so I skipped your patreon watch along. You guys are too great to miss though, so I did watch this youtube edit (closed my eyes during the curb stomp scene - once was more than enough) so I could enjoy your reaction and excellent outro discussion.
This movie should be shown in schools and everyone needs to keep their eyes on the screen at all times. They need to see and hear and feel everything. You’re not supposed to like what you see, or like what you hear, or feel comfortable through parts of this movie; that’s the whole point.
I was just a teenager when this movie was released and it completely broke me. I could never understand why people can hate us so much simply because our skin was darker, and yet I’ve been called the N word, threatened by white people, not because I was doing anything wrong, but because of my skin color.
I love hearing your post movie thoughts, and I'm like you in that I need to watch something funny and light after a heavy one like this. This is Spinal Tap is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. ✌🏽
I've seen this movie growing up and multiple times at different ages, and it still hits hard, now in life my brother and I have a saying to this day, "Every now and then you have to humble a mother******". This movie humbles you, no matter who you are, I watch it every few years even though I've seen it a million times. I still tear up thinking about the hate in the world.
I'm in total agreement that everyone needs to watch this movie. I always enjoy your post movie discussions, especially on tougher watches like this one.
This movie is one of my all-time favorite movies. I love movies where there is a dramatic change in the main character, and this movie has the most dramatic change I've ever seen. Ed Norton was fantastic and should have won an award for this performance. I can't say enough good things about this movie.
There's an alternate ending where the last shot is Edward Norton looking in the mirror and shaves his head. I didn't think this movie could get any bleaker.
Ohhh mystic River is a fantastic movie!! This is amazing an very worth the win even with how hard it is to watch at times it’s hard hitting, but MR definitely should be up soon 🤞🏼
I just glanced at my phone and saw "X wife's first time watching.." and for a split second I thought to myself oh nooooooo! Then I read the entire title.
In relation to what Daniel was touching on I love this quote " easier to destroy than to create, easier to pull the trigger, than it is to play the guitar" 🤔...
The opposite is true. That's why black males are 6% of the US population and are responsible for 51% of the homicides, more than every other group combined. It takes effort and humility not to be aggressive and hateful
Have not watched this movie in a long time but remember it very well. The part I remember very clear is when he is in prison bonding with the black guy and forming a bond. It was important in my opinion because he became human again instead of having a pre determined judgment of someone because of their skin color. He learned how he was wrong in having that outlook, but great reaction. Loved your opinions and glad you watched this great movie!
One of roughest movies to get through, the only one to top this one for me would be Requiem for a dream. When I saw that one in this weekly art cinema thing I went to: normally after everyone left laughing and chatting and saying goodbye until next week. That week: deathly silence and everyone looking at the floor while exiting. I don't know you guys have seen that one?
I don't know if you've already been told this in the comments, but initially the image isn't supposed to be blue, normally it's a very nice black and white!
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Ed Norton SHOULD have gotten an Oscar for this.
He was so damn good. He was evil as fuck but he also played a confused and heartbroken kid who was led astray by the death of his father, but then redeemed himself only for it all to end in tragedy.
Was 50/50 Roberto Bengini was great in Life is Beautiful too.
HANDS DOWN
F the oscars! It is overrated
he should of got all the oscars for this
This movie is brutal, but an important film
Similar to Desert Flower.
I sometimes think they were dropping secret red pill messages. Almsot everything they say for the first half is true.
@@chanceneck8072 nah ...i think this is a bit better
Yea always good to watch a fan fock straight made up crazy things that of were real u would at least see the news showing it if not see it urself. Quit living in a dream world.
I actually think Derek was right in some of what he said, but he went about it in ENTIRELY the wrong way. The DOC gang, the crimes, the looting, the curb......such behavior must be punished.
The curb stomping and Misery's hobbling are 2 movie scenes that stay with you forever.
I can hear the teeth scraping on the curb and see Derek’s arrest clear as day when i close my eyes even a decade and change after seeing it..
I've never listened to the curb stomp since I watched the movie in the theatre. I actively mute or turn it off, usually I don't even watch it muted either, I turn away.
he deserved it
The "Misery" scene is awful, but in the book it's even worse; she cuts his feet off.
What about Bambi's mom
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" Such a powerful moment. Holding onto anger is like picking up a hot coal with the intent to throw it at another - you're the one who gets burned.
Powerful analogy and very true
Selfish. Consequentialist. The ethical framework for evil, stupid people who cannot think and rationalize.
That line has replayed in my head over and over since I watched the movie. I love the way this movie shows how powerful words can be. Negatively and positively too.
Agreed. Derek didn't deserve to have his father taken away from him. My heart breaks that he had to go through that at such a young age But what he did is not the answer. Doris should have tried to move her family to a safer neighborhood, hell maybe even a different STATE, and Derek should have just focused on the well-being of his family and himself and forgotten everything else, not held on so tightly to his anger and bitterness. Because the cruel harsh truth is, the outside world doesn't care how much you suffer. Life goes on. People keep living their own lives and dealing with their own crap.
All the supporting actors are great in this too. But I have always thought Beverly D'Angelo was very underrated. You can just feel the pain on her face.
shes great in this. You can see her absolute mortification that her son became this hateful bigot and she cant understand it
@@paulinegallagher7821 why ?
She is stunning here I agree!
This is the lady from Christmas Vacation and she is an amazingly gifted woman.
When she says "I'm ashamed you came out of my body", it hits me every time. I can definitely feel the pain there behind that.
Edit: Forgot to add the other line that punches me every time. The prison visit when she says "You think I'm not in here with you?!"
This movie is a incredibly difficult watch but it’s worth seeing at least once. Edward Norton is riveting and Edward Furlong was never better. Great film.
it is a movie everyone should watch continually as time goes on. Once is no where near enough. Stuff like this needs to be a constant reminder that nothing has changed.
Exactly. Ed Furlong was never better. Not even in T2.
Yeah disturbing. I HAD TO skip to the part I knew they would cringe!
Fairuza is my Dorothy!
@@tiananesbitt7156 Wonder what became of her? she always kind of terrified me as an actress. I remember seeing her in the Craft and some other film where she played a teenage serial killer in the 1950s. She always played deranged really well
Yes definitely Eddie's peak
That teacher is one of the best movie characters of all time.
I mean when he said " I'm not ready to give up on the kid yet ". Wow!!! Chills all over
Which is funny bc even back then most teachers never really cared about the students who were really troubled. It's their parents' responsibility to do that tbf, but what most teachers never really realize is that they are also role models and far too few of them take on that monumental task responsibly.
@@yaqubebased1961 yess absolutely correct.
Kids will spend almost half thier childhood in kindergarten/ school growing up and the teachers are responsible for them while they are there
I know that teacher as Benjamin Cisko on Deep Space 9, love that actor
@@scr3aming3agle83 yess for sure 👍
Because of how gruesome the film can be and Norton's powerful leading performance, it over shadows Edward Furlongs performance which is the heart of the film. His performance shows how great of an actor he can be, this was probably his last great performance. He's fantastic in this film, especially with is narration.
Furlong was great in this film! such an incredible performance on his part. so sad to see the path he went down with drug abuse.
I totally agree!
This film is brutal. I saw it when I was 19. I'm ashamed to admit, alot of my friends and I thought Derek and the shit he did was cool and badass. At 45, after doing some time myself and having kids Danny's age, I am glad I don't think that way anymore
You grew as a Human Being.
God Bless you brother
@@johnjr578 thank u. Need all the blessings I can get
Glad you were able to turn it around for yourself and detach from that way of thinking
Bless you brother
Your commentary/discussion after the movie was so spot on and insightful. I loved what Daniel said about how hate is easy but love and humor are hard. My family loves watching you two.
The line "You think, I'm not in here with you" always hits me the hardest.
I mean, it definitely gets some stronger meaning, once you've had to take care of your own children.....
Yeah, having to take care of your own children is very much equivalent to years in prison being beaten, raped and fearing for your life.
That, and the "I'm ashamed that YOU came out of MY body." are both so gut wrenchng - Beverly D'Angelo should've won an award as well
@@jayge17 Yeah, right.
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" A great question which I actually found myself asking people.
Avery Brooks gives a great performance in addition to Edward Norton.
Since you two watched this film, I highly recommend Boyz n the Hood. It shows the other side of the gang life with African-American teens and the cultural differences they experience and the consequences they face.
Then Menace ll Society.
Then "Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood"
I see Mystic River was on your crime/thriller poll. I’d recommend that film. It’s outstanding.
That movie is just pure, light-hearted fun. ☺
Not nearly as powerful as this one. And it kind of dragged in the middle too.
Avery Brooks deserved to be in waaay more stuff.
Agreed. And he was the best Captain.
Apparently he was black listed or blackmailed. I'm not sure why but that is what is being reported
@@cmstone5178 He's still busy as the Emmissary.
@@cmstone5178 Absolutely.
@@Xfactor444-x4n apparently so
My favorite performances by Edward Norton and Edward Furlong. It's a very powerful and unsettling movie. Another brilliant reaction from Tbr and samantha.
Every Actor in this was Brilliant. A Masterclass!
Yep, Ed Norton used to be my #1 all time favorite actor for a LOOOOONG time. He always picked great projects. But I'm not sure if I could pick a "best" performance of his.
I always loved him in Keeping The Faith, too....
I feel like a lot of people today should see this
yes...i 100% agree
yes, I agree. Because the infection of niggers and spics continues to grow. They are like a FUCKING cancer and at this point, it's out of control. It's time again to form death squads like the ustachi and remove these parasites.
This movie can connect with everyone who has ever been apart of a gang. Trust me, this is a universal story that all violent criminals can grasp.
This and Desert Flower.
Nah they should watch shot caller not this fan fiction written by a tiny hat.
Ed Norton is my man-crush. Dude kills it in pretty much everything. This movie is so damned powerful. I highly recommend Death to Smoochy. A black comedy with Norton , Robin Williams, and many more fantastic stars. Definitely put it on your list!
Gonna watch that tonight on your recommendation ✌️
Birdman
Probably the most underrated film of all time. It's straight up CRIMINAL how unknown it is
Uhhh....Norton would probably put you to the curb.
LMAO!
Geez that poll was a great list of movies, can't wait for all those to end up on here eventually.
Your reaction and discussion was fantastic. Thank you.
Hatred is easy, it only takes emotion, understanding is difficult, it requires intelligence.
Well edited. As a former neo nazi in high school this movie shattered everything I thought I knew. It wasn't for nothing, but I was like both of them and had nowhere to turn. Didn't last long though, I'm 47 now and I cry at this movie every time. Only took me a yr before logic took precidance. Can't believe I believed like that. 30 yrs later it still affects me. Thank yall for understanding. It took one black dude, then another, and another. And another pos white boy and another to make me see the reality.
For what it's worth, you're not redeemable. It's inherent in people like you because it points to a failure of your cognitive abilities.
This is one of those movies that everybody should see at least once. It's a tough watch, and that's what makes it so great.
None of us are born hating anybody--it's entirely learned. And it can be unlearned, too.
EDIT: I typed this up & posted it before I heard you two say essentially the same thing in the video. 😁
There are numerous studies that have shown infants exhibiting racial preferences. In-race preference is not hatred. Too many people assume because someone loves the color orange that they hate the color blue.
@@jongordon7914 Go ahead and describe what you mean by "In-race" preferences.
@@jongordon7914 I'm not familiar with the studies you mention (I don't doubt you, I just haven't really delved deeply into this). What I do know, though, is that humans (like any other social animal) are pre-wired to love and trust members of our "tribe" while fearing outsiders. It's a basic principle of survival.
That being said, it is still up to the elders to teach infants who the "tribe" entails.
@@Nic-ye2yz What do you mean describe it? In-race preference IS the description.
This and Desert Flower....
Great movie and this movie would never get made in today's Hollywood. This movie shows that racism/hatred coming from the whites or blacks will destroy your life in the end. Danny dies for nothing, and that black kid just threw his whole life away.
"Has anything you've done made your life better?" That was a hard but powerful question. Around 10 years ago I actually asked myself that when I was laying in a hospital bed after being shot 3 times including once in the neck.
The Academy was NEVER going to give this movie it's full due,but everyone knows Ed Norton should have won Best Actor for this role.
Why is Norton not recognized ?
@Justin Freitag don't tell me he is better then Bengini
This should be part of high school curriculum. It's a powerful message of change and healing, with the repercussions of hate.
I find the performances of three actors I normally associate with comedies to be standouts - Beverly D'Angelo, Stacy Keach, and Ethan Suplee.
When it first came out it was shown in some High School Social Studies and Sociology Classes. But Today it would be banned in a lot of Red States because it would make some White Fascists "Uncomfortable".
Interestingly enough, we DID watch this movie in high school. 😅
It is. . .
@@jamesalexander5623 What an absolutely moronic statement. You showed off your ignorance and blatant racism. Why are you cowards so afraid to call out Black racism? Something tells me you missed all the unprovoked Black racial violence in this movie.
@@jamesalexander5623 Schools are infiltrated with leftist rhetoric these days.
To think "white fascists" are running things is just laughable.
What they should do is teach crime statistics. You'd come out of it with an understanding that only one side is committing the vast majority of the crime and murder in this country and it ain't white people.
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In 2005 I met Stacey Keach who plays Cameron. When I was on set of the tv show Prison Break I heard of his name and knew the name. He came out of his trailer and seen him. I got to meet him a few times. He is an amazing person to meet and very kind
This movie is truly incredible, I dont think I have ever seen a movie have the lasting effect it did on me. Maybe Requiem for a dream is close. Funny too cause Edward Norton is in two of my fav films of all time this and Fight Club.
You're Not Supposed to Talk About Fight Club!
You guys should watch Desert Flower.
Also when we talk about Ed Norton, I also instantly think of Keeping The Faith.
Man Ed Norton is such a good actor
“I’m ashamed that YOU came out of my body!” IMO is the most powerful sentiment of the film. As a mom, she reached the end of her rope and felt like her child did something so shameful that it hurts knowing he’s a part of her. That’s impactful and Beverly D’Angelo’s line delivery is so believable. You hurt for her feeling like she’s lost her son and you feel kinda bad for Derek in that moment having heard his own mother say something like that. No matter what, at the end of the day, he loves his mom and thought he was protecting her. But, he sees maybe for the first time the stark difference in how they each see tue world. No mothers ever wants to say something so harsh to her child. Yet, she feels powerless to influence him positively anymore.
Feels like another lifetime when I saw this in my early 20s on tv. That curb stomp never left my image. Never saw anything like that before in all my years of watching action movies growing up. These movies now are so rare nowadays that it is a work of art
Curb stomp. Curve stop?
Curb stomp.
Curd Plomp
@@ravenr1420 Stomp, my bad.
"He learned that nonsense, he can unlearn it..." I love that line so much, any and all of us can change,if we so choose...
Coincidentally, Avery Brooks(Sweeney) was in a great TV Show called Deep Space Nine.
Shoutout to your Patreons. They always select great movies for you guys. It's one of the main reasons i keep coming back to watch your reactions (which are great as well).
I just realise that the young brother is played by the same actor that plays John Conner in Terminator 2. Always wondered what he did after T2. Kudos.
He wasn't in alot of roles after T2 because he got into drugs
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Haven’t seen this is a couple years but it’s scary how much this movie encapsulates America today. Right down the the shooting in the school at the end, the violence in school at the beginning. The conversation that he has with his dad at the dinner table is happening in many homes around the country. The anger…. This is film making at its best, and it’s scary…
So why they are feeling threathend like that with no simple anwser ? The West in general
The thing with Derek's father is, he wasn't the stereotypical racist that we're taught to shun and fear. He wasn't covered in tattoos, he didn't have a shaved head, he wasn't throwing around racial epithets, he was working with minorities in his job, and as we found out, died trying to save the lives of total strangers with a different skin color. Outwardly, he seemed like a completely normal, middle aged white guy. The prejudices were all buried beneath the surface and only shared with those he trusted, and even then he stops short of preaching outright hatred and racism.
The blatant racists are a problem, to be sure, but the millions of people like Derek's father are the _real_ problem, and the real reason we still have so many barriers to true equality in the Western world.
“Just have underqualified people watch your back, racist.” Affirmative action is a fool’s errand.
His father is the true example of the banality of evil. Alan Matthews would smack the spit out of his mouth.
This is an incredibly thoughtful take away from the film, I believe you're completely correct.
Those type of racist like Derek's father are what will continue to keep hate alive and well for generations to come.
People don't understand that racist are rarely caricatures, they are mostly quite normal looking only dropping the mask to people in moments never trying to be "hateful" they think they're just "telling it how it is".
Huh? Derek's father, the one who was murdered by Black people while putting out a house fire in a Black neighborhood, is the REAL problem that's a barrier to true equality? That makes no sense. The greater barrier to equality are racists like Little Henry, who racially bullied and kicked a White kid, racially bullied and threatened to kill Danny simply for walking out of the bathroom and the Black racists that robbed a sleeping family in the middle of the night at gunpoint because they were sore losers that lost a basketball game.
The other barrier to true equality are all the people that excuse Black racists CURRENTLY committing racial violence, while simultaneously condemning White people today for the actions of people from 300 years ago that they didn't know or have any relation to. Until people stop being afraid to condemn Black racism, there can never be true equality.
He's the real problem? You literally just admitted he got murdered trying to the save the lives of total strangers with a different skin color. Yeah, sounds like a real problem....not.
I wish the movie got into more actual statistics to explain Derricks hate, like the fact that black people do the majority of murders in america.
Yeah, 13% of the population but commit around 50% of the murders. It treats the audience like infants went it just pins everything on "hate".
As well as blacks typically offing twice as many Whites, as Whites do blacks each year, even though Whites are 4x their population size. It's not just them doing each other.
This movie is more important than ever today...
If the next Edward Norton movie you watch is "Death to Smoochy," you can see his incredible range as an actor with this movie fresh to compare to.
That movie gets too much hate and not enough love! Ed Norton, Robin Williams, Jon Stewart… I mean, c’mon!
Watched this the other day! Such an intense, amazing movie.
Originally, the creators of the film were going to end the movie on Derek shaving his head again after Danny's death, symbolizing his return to the hate. I'm glad they didn't go with that, not only because it would have been too much of a bummer ending (more than what we got), but also because, that isn't how it works in real life. People don't go through cycles of going in and out of hate movements. It's incredibly rare to hear of a case where someone went into a hate movement, got themselves out of it, and then went back in because of the same set of circumstances that put them in in the first place.
I saw Falling Down on the list you def gotta watch that soon. Very underrated and one of my favorite films
A couple of other critically acclaimed movies worth watching in this vein are 'La Haine' (1995) and 'Onskan' (2005), the first being French and translates to 'Hatred' and the second being Swedish and translates to 'Evil'. Both powerful movies.
Bota sua boca na guia do filo Derrick não é isso agora fale boa noite. 11:35
the fact Norton didnt get an Oscar for this, its just as bullshit and shameful as Kilmer not getting one for Tombstone or Saving Private Ryan losing to that boring shit of shakespeare in love or whatever
You two are amazing reactors, who pick fantastic films. I can still remember the 1st time I saw this movie. Powerful stuff.
Daniel and Samantha generally do not pick the films- their patrons propose and successfully vote on a number of older and classic films (eg Lawrence of Arabia, Clockwork Orange, original Planet of the Apes, etc.). Other reactors have mostly recent films with less substance.
@@bbwng54 The first reaction I saw them do, was Green Mile. Long before most started to pile on. That reaction for me hooked on them. I feel like they are genuine, unlike many others out there. Plus, I like their chemistry and personalities. Seem like nice folks.
This film is one that really stays with you. Very heavy and very necessary
The acting is incredible and it's crazy how relevant it still is
Great reaction 😊
Finally, I've been waiting all day for this. Got my bong and joint ready to go. Can't wait to see what y'all think.
I'm intrigued... do you put the joint into the bong?
@@waynecanning4122 🤣
@Wayne Canning 😂😂😂 nah, I smoke out of my bong and then I smoke the joint lol. I like the way your mind works though 😁
Same here just took a hit off my bowl 🤣
Feels bro ✌🏻✌🏻
Another great movie about change is "Blood in, Blood out: Bound by Honor" (1993).
i actually looked at the other choices on the poll for once. there were some bangers in that poll. also i guess mystic river is a crime/thriller, but that could fall under a few other categories. that movie is a must watch!!! tim robbins is almost as good in mystic river as he is in shawshank redemption, almost.
an amazing but complex movie, glad to see you guys watch it
I agree, this is a must watch for everyone. it just makes me really sad how relevant it still is 25 years later 😔
This is Norton's best role, so raw. And the last good sighting of Edward Furlong.
Torn between Norton´s role here and his role in Birdman, where he plays himself from the point of view of his co-workers/directors.
Yep. Everyone needs to see this.
The racism and hatred is so sad .I loved Derek's redemption but why did it have to end so bad his brother had changed but was killed
Despite the change of his ways, the seeds Derek sowed in his youth bore rotten fruit.
sometimes consequences don’t care whether you’ve changed or not
@@LordVolkov the film clearly states that black gangs already existed before a Derek and his would-be FBI informants rallies.
@@ibuprofriends The consequence was that Little Henry was a violent racist. It had nothing to do with whether anyone else had changed or not. He and his friends threw a White kid to the ground and kicked him twice and the ONLY thing that Danny did was walk out of the bathroom and witness it. Then racist Henry racially bullied him, threatened him and eventually murdered him.
@@jongordon7914 then why Derrick didn't follow him ?
There was an alternate ending shot for the film. It shows Derreck in the bathroom after he shaved his head, shirtless showing his swastika tattoo, a gun in his hand, and that same look and smile on his face when he got arrested.
So glad they didn't use that ending. Derrick was too smart to go back to that life even after Danny was killed. He felt more guilty for it than blaming someone else. I think in his mind it was in a way he was paying for the sins of his past and that made him feel guilty and even responsible for Danny's death.
And he has two little sisters and his mother to look after. No way he'd go back. I'm a little baffled why the other ending was ever made.
I'm amazed they even considered such a thing. The only bright light in this dark film is Derrick's redemption, the only message worth learning comes through Derrick's redemption. It's like they didn't get the point of their own movie.
Another movie that has this same theme and feel is an 80's movie called Enemy Mine. Dennis Quaid and Lou Gossett Jr. Check it out!
Ed Norton is still most known for this film and Fight Club.
This movie is so heavy but so important! There’s no conversation that should not take place💁
Extremely powerful movie that everyone should see at least once. I saw it in the theater when it first came out. Some scenes will never leave my head.
The *clink* of the robbers teeth on the curb is easily one of the most disturbing foley Sfx ever 🥺😩
I just saw an interview with Norton and he was goofing on himself. He said that to film the basketball scene where he dunked the ball, they had to keep lowering the hoop until he could finally do it. He also said that he worked his upper body hard, but that his legs looked like toothpicks, so they had to be careful about how they shot his lower body throughout the film
Is there a difference ?
It's hard to watch but an important movie
There was no way I was going to watch this entire film again, so I skipped your patreon watch along. You guys are too great to miss though, so I did watch this youtube edit (closed my eyes during the curb stomp scene - once was more than enough) so I could enjoy your reaction and excellent outro discussion.
This movie should be shown in schools and everyone needs to keep their eyes on the screen at all times. They need to see and hear and feel everything. You’re not supposed to like what you see, or like what you hear, or feel comfortable through parts of this movie; that’s the whole point.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! I appreciate all of your reactions & commitment to your craft. Shout out from NYC!!😎👍
I always love to hear what you guys have to say about everything you guys watch. Very thought through.
I was just a teenager when this movie was released and it completely broke me. I could never understand why people can hate us so much simply because our skin was darker, and yet I’ve been called the N word, threatened by white people, not because I was doing anything wrong, but because of my skin color.
Hate and prejudice is generational it's taught, the only time we are innocent is as children were we don't see colour.
im german i remember we watched that movie in high school. very educational
You should check out "The Score" with Norton, Deniro and Brando.
This reminded me of 'This is England' both a a Movie and a TV series. It's dark as hell and I suspect American History X was based on the story
Here's another pretty dark one. Apt Pupil, no spoilers.
Thanks for all you two do keeping me occupied and out of my own head.
someone check the microwave...i smell someting cooking
I love hearing your post movie thoughts, and I'm like you in that I need to watch something funny and light after a heavy one like this. This is Spinal Tap is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. ✌🏽
If you want another similar movie, Romper Stomper with Russel Crowe is really great. Also pretty heavy
This movie had Captain Ben Sisko, Kes, Dr. Bruce Banner, and John Connor.
I've seen this movie growing up and multiple times at different ages, and it still hits hard, now in life my brother and I have a saying to this day, "Every now and then you have to humble a mother******". This movie humbles you, no matter who you are, I watch it every few years even though I've seen it a million times. I still tear up thinking about the hate in the world.
Thank You😢😢
I'm in total agreement that everyone needs to watch this movie. I always enjoy your post movie discussions, especially on tougher watches like this one.
My teenage son told me to watch this movie. It was such an impactful movie. Ed Norton is such a wonderful actor.
This movie is one of my all-time favorite movies. I love movies where there is a dramatic change in the main character, and this movie has the most dramatic change I've ever seen. Ed Norton was fantastic and should have won an award for this performance. I can't say enough good things about this movie.
There's an alternate ending where the last shot is Edward Norton looking in the mirror and shaves his head. I didn't think this movie could get any bleaker.
I know a lot of people that need to see this! We left the theater in silence...
Ohhh mystic River is a fantastic movie!! This is amazing an very worth the win even with how hard it is to watch at times it’s hard hitting, but MR definitely should be up soon 🤞🏼
Sooo perfect how you broke this movie down to its core. Things I struggle with daily. Love yall 😞
I just glanced at my phone and saw "X wife's first time watching.." and for a split second I thought to myself oh nooooooo! Then I read the entire title.
In relation to what Daniel was touching on I love this quote " easier to destroy than to create, easier to pull the trigger, than it is to play the guitar" 🤔...
Captain Benjamin sisko. ( star tree , deep space nine . ) best captain.. (.the sister was in Star Trek as well
Are you serious?????
@@MikeB12800 She played Kes on Star Trek Voyager.
@Mike B. yes, kes . .
Death to Smoochy should be your next Edward Norton movie to complete his transformation
was about to go to bed but then bam! this drops
The masses march into theatres like ants at a picnic to see Marvel movie trash but won't seek a movie like this out. Do better Hollywood!
Most Marvel fans are avid movie fans as well? Weird projection but you do you, I guess.
Hate just takes so much work. Love come naturally.
The opposite is true. That's why black males are 6% of the US population and are responsible for 51% of the homicides, more than every other group combined. It takes effort and humility not to be aggressive and hateful
Have not watched this movie in a long time but remember it very well. The part I remember very clear is when he is in prison bonding with the black guy and forming a bond. It was important in my opinion because he became human again instead of having a pre determined judgment of someone because of their skin color. He learned how he was wrong in having that outlook, but great reaction. Loved your opinions and glad you watched this great movie!
In high school (in France) our French/literature teacher showed us this movie in class (we were 16 yo), we were all shocked from the beginning .
Hope you two are having an great and awesome weekend ❤
I really wish this movie wasn’t still relevant today, but sadly it is. And arguably even more so.
One of roughest movies to get through, the only one to top this one for me would be Requiem for a dream. When I saw that one in this weekly art cinema thing I went to: normally after everyone left laughing and chatting and saying goodbye until next week. That week: deathly silence and everyone looking at the floor while exiting. I don't know you guys have seen that one?
I don't know if you've already been told this in the comments, but initially the image isn't supposed to be blue, normally it's a very nice black and white!
I'm surprised Mystic River received so few votes. Outstanding movie worth the watch!
Absolutely, no one reacts to it. Directed by Clint Eastwood with Sean Penn, Tim Robbins & Kevin Bacon with a haunting end.
Mystic river is just a silly joyride. Uplifting like "Singin in the Rain."
Cool reaction as always Schmitt & Samantha, you both have a good night