Full Metal Jacket (1987) First Time Watching! Movie Reaction!!
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Was this an amazing movie!? Yes. Was this unlike any war film we have ever seen?! Also yes. My grandfather was a Drill Sergeant.... I never saw him at this level but I am sure he had the capabilities to verbally shred through people!
Thank you for all the support!
I've also always felt like this was really two amazing short war films with some overlapping cast. The contrast between boot camp and deployment is so stark it really feels like two completely different movies to me.
This movie is great and only surpassed by Apocalypse Now. Platoon is also great.
You should react to Apocalypse Now, preferably the original 1979 version.
Platoon and Born on the 4th of July you've got to do.
And for a positive Vietnam movie check out We Were Soldiers.
My dad was a Vietnam veteran and this was the only war film he ever refused to watch with me or anyone else in my house. He said it was too vivid, accurate and made him sick remembering the awful time he had there.
Thank You for your Dad's service. You honor him.
@@glassontherocks There is no honor in blindly following orders.
@@baronsengir187 Do you believe in the same deshonor for URSS interaction with the communist movements from vietnam until, and before, the US entering to the war in Vietnam? That is the part that no ones tells about history.
Deshonor is for u to being supporting ignorance and the biggest killer in the world (>100 million of people)
@@rafaelpina5751 Weren't they "just" following orders too?
@@baronsengir187 lol. It's the military. Not a place for snowflakes.
I met Gunny about ten yrs ago, he couldn't have been more humble and kind to my wife and I. He was more interested in talking about my military career than his own. He was a great man and will be missed.
He was deeply haunted by the great numbers of green recruits who passed through Marine Boot Camp. He knew that a lot of us would never make it home. He was a hero.
@@glassontherocks Watched a lot of Gunny growing up, my dad was very excited when they came out with Mail Call.
Thank you for your service
I met him also with my son. We spoke for around 5 minutes and he signed the stock to my m14 and we got pictures with him. He was a very awesome person.. RIP gunny.
@@travisdozier1357 Getting your rifle signed sounds like a very American thing to do, and i don't mean that in a bad way lol.
R. Lee Ermey (a real-life Drill Instructor) is the only (THE ONLY) actor to ever be allowed to adlib lines of dialogue in a Kubrick film. Thats how PERFECT he is in this role.
No actor or script writer could have ever made that stuff up, I’m glad Ermey got the role
Emery did not adlib his dialogue while filming. He came up with the dialogue while Kubrick recorded it. After it was typed up he and Kubrick decided which lines they would use in the film. It's very clear that Emery did an excellent job as an actor!
@@PapaEli-pz8ff Changing the script is considered adlib, but i hear you. "Leave the gun Take the Cannoli" wasnt in the script but the actor knew he was gonna say that from day 1. But the director didnt...so its an adlib.
@@TheRealDarrylStrawberry I disagree. But I won't argue or debate the issues. Especially having a few decades of working in live theater and Union membership (SAG_AFTRA) since 1987. Just saying..
Wern't many of Peter Sellers lines adlib in Dr. Strangelove?
“You’re so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece.” Genius. My favorite line from R. Lee Ermey (RIP).
Mine is: "There's no racial bigotry here; here you're all equally worthless."
@@abnpthfdr2934 "Bullshit, I bet you can suck a golfball through a garden hose" is gold
Yeah the garden hose line made me cackle.
R. Lee Ermey, the drill Sargeant, was a real combat and Vietnam Veteran. He stayed in character halfway through the movie. He was a Marine Corps Drill Sargeant from 1961-1972. He passed away in 2018 due to a heart attack at the age of 75.
Nothing better than the real deal! RIP
Not only was he the real deal, he was initially hired as just a consultant. He didn't like the original actor for the part so he talked Kubrick in to giving it to him. The guy that was supposed to play the DI is the machine gunner in the helicopter.
He was hired as a consultant, Kubrick liked his style and decided to put him in the movie.
Drill Instructor, this isn't the Army.
As a point of information: the US Army has Drill Sergeants, the US Marine Corps has Drill Instructors (DI's) and heaven help you if you make that mistake in Boot.
(Edited after being corrected on the nature/type of R. Lee Ermey's promotion.)
I saw this movie as a teenager but I don't think I was mature enough to understand how incredibly dark this film is.
Good point! Lots of movies I saw young without being able to fully understand what I was watching
My dad dragged me to the movies when I was 12/13 to watch this, I didn't appreciate what was going on. Now in my 40s & a lot wiser, I need to rewatch it I think.
The one thing I have learned since then is nobody wins in war.
@@TBRSchmitt hi from Lyon - France ;) i have a good war serie for you #OVERTHERE .........Only 1 season but what a good season. It's on irak war , over rated but so so good , with good point of america army but also the bad side of the america army.You'll miss something if you dont watch it , i love band of brothers , The Ryan soldier and full metal jacket and for me " Over there is in that list of war serie than you remember after have saw it .
You react is cool ^^ i know you have a grand pa ( If i remember well lol ) who was in the army , if he was in France against the nazi say to him thank you fotr wat he did from the part of a french guy .
Bye bye (And dont forget Over there when you can please , i want see your react on it ^^ )
Take care , au revoir .
@@deacongowan909 Correct :)
@@deacongowan909 Oh wow. That's not normal. At least you turned out ok :)
This movie is easily the most chillingly accurate portrayal of my own experience at Parris Island in 1975. Very little is exaggerated in this movie. My platoon began with 89 and graduated only 41 of the original group. Nothing short of brutal.
Graduated boot at PI in 1971 and tell people who ask that the bootcamp scenes are VERY accurate, with the exception of the murder/suicide. My platoon started with 64 and graduated with only 32. Can't tell about the Vietnam scenes, never had to go, guess I was lucky.
Thank You Guys for Your Service? What happened to the recruits that didn’t graduate with you? Were they recycled back through?
@@zachhoward9099 Training was broken up into roughly 3 week segments. If a recruits progress was deemed unsatisfactory he would be reassigned to another platoon (setback) to repeat the segment he failed. I graduated with about 60 guys though only 41 were originals. A fair number, though I don't know exactly how many, washed out. Several just went crazy and were carried out on stretchers. Six recruits in my platoon cut their wrists and while I don't think they were seriously trying to kill themselves, it was an effective way to get out. The mental/emotional and physical pressures were incredible and unrelenting. I entered boot camp as an extremely fit 170 pounds and graduated an exhausted 152. I don't expect people to believe the stories I relate because I probably wouldn't believe them either. They are just too surreal.
Thank you both for your service.
“So far, this movie is painting everyone negatively”
Welcome to the Vietnam war, kids.
Like any other war. The only war I accept is a war on your soil to defend your country from external aggression. When people are starting wars outside telling it is made for their country, it's bullshit. Those soldiers are ordinary occupants and aggressors.
It's a giant sh!t sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.
Great line.
R Lee Ermey my he rest in peace
A powerhouse on screen. RIP
@@TBRSchmitt
He was an actual drill sergeant. He was on set to teach the actor & they decided he could do it better. Its supposedly as real a boot camp as you'll get ...well, one for the time, at least
Hear hear
Amen
Yeah the heli gunner is who he replaced
5:00 - He was impressed that he had the guts to stand up to him. That's why he made him Squad Leader. If someone is willing to risk getting beat down for his ideals, he's willing to risk his life in combat.
I don't think that's the case. They want you to be gutsy in the face of the *enemy*. They want SUBORDINATION to them. The guts to stand up to The Sergeant is what got Joker punched in the stomach on day one. You're not supposed to stand up to your commanding officer, you're supposed to die on command if necessary.
He was impressed that he stood up for his RELIGION. As an AMERICAN marine he swears an oath to defend American freedoms, and one of the biggest ones is freedom of religion. As much as he threw Jesus's name around, ultimately, he's not a bigot, and he did that to demonstrate that they are "all EQUALLY worthless" to him and that invoking the name of Jesus isn't going to get any of the other recruits any special favors
@@chrisleebowers Then why did he make him Squad Leader when he stood up to him and told him that no answer he gave would satisfy the DI?
@@SBaby It was a test. If he puts you in a no-win situation, you have to stand up for yourself and disobey either way - stand up for your right as an American, do not cave in to fear and you win his respect.
@@chrisleebowers Following orders blindly is not the goal... If a superior makes a bad decision, your duty is to speak up. If you have a suggestion for a better plan of action, voice it... But if a final decision is made, shut up and follow orders. Also don't follow any illegal orders, that's is something they tell you up front.
@@chrisleebowers it was more about being honest and taking responsibility for your actions. When you join the military, you give up many rights and are governed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
Vincent D'Onofrio killed it, especially considering this was one of his very first roles.
Such an underrated actor. He played every role I ever saw him in to near perfection.
That's Kingpin
As a veteran I can say without a doubt this move is by far the most accurate war film covering veitnam
Were you in Vietnam? I only ask because I always wondered how accurate Platoon was since Oliver Stone was a combat veteran in Vietnam. Thank you for your service
@@jonasjelich4576My father who was in Vietnam infantry in the jungle, platoon was very accurate when comparing how it was like in the jungle.
Accurate ?
Really ?
The Paris Island scenes , perhaps .
But the last scene with the sniper, really ?
you definitely haven’t seen platoon… that movie is everything this one wants to be…
The reason why it's so uncomfortable for a lot of people is the exact reason this movie is so amazing. It's about as real as it can get with the Interactions, dialogue, what it takes to make a soldier, and the inconvenient truths about war and what it really does do a person both physically and mentally.
I like the film too, but I like many agree that the film begins to fall off when they get into Vietnam.
It’s too slow, not very memorable or amusing like the first half
Fun Fact: Kubrick shot his entire film in England, outside London. The sniper building is also the same building used for the alien hive in Aliens.
That's interesting about the alien hive
Wow can’t believe that was outside London!
Yep at Beckton Gas works, which was in the process of being demolished at the time. Alot of other movies were filmed there too.
I had my school work experience at that army barracks, and even that same assault course.
Kubrick shot most of his films in England, He didn't like traveling, He developed a Fear of flying.
I saw this masterpiece in Japan in April 1988, soon after its release. Needless to say the Japanese audience did not get the dialogue of the Senior Drill Instructor. As a result, my American buddy and I were howling with laughter in a silent theater.
That I will never forget. Enjoy
During my first week in boot camp, two ambulances waited outside the barracks to take away anyone who couldn't make it. Some passed out it was so physically insane.
So, this was quite realistic!
Holy crap. Whoa. Thank you for your service.
When they beat private "Pyle" in his bed, that was called a "blanket party". It's a very old tradition to let guys who aren't hacking it know they need to change up whatever bad behavior they are in to. Bars of soap wrapped in towels hurts a lot, and does leave bruises...lots of bruises.
wrapping the soap in the towel is just a means of adding something solid and heavy to swing, I went through boot camp in 2000, I heard about a blanket party happening with padlocks instead of soap.
@@daved4120 jesus, were they trying to get that guy out by permanent injury? They may have just been trying to duck him up.
Yeah I went through in 2004 and blanket parties were definitely still a thing. Platoon snitches were generally the target
Bar of soap? Try a boot in a pillow case.
Would a "blanket party" be considered a "code red"?
They did desensitize us. You couldn't let emotions guide your thinking process. You only reacted to your training. It helped your chances of surviving.
There were Canadian military who _volunteered_ their service to the USA for the Vietnam War. I don't know if they did Marine Corps, or were even accepted to that, but that they offered service I hope is remembered in some small way.
and killing
My grandfather told me that the people he knew that died the most often were in their first 2 weeks, or in their last 2 weeks before home. Because it doesnt make you a robot anymore, it makes you human when youre still thinking of war
"You will not rise to the occasion. You will default to your training."
And that my friends is the way it was.
Tom Boyte
Gy. Sgt. USMC, retired
Vietnam 65-66/70-71
Bronze Star, Purple Heart
0331/Machine Guns
This movie came out before I joined the Marine Corps. Even after watching the bootcamp scene I still ended up joining. What's ironic is that when I was in the Fleet Marine Force, I was sent to 2nd Bn 5th Marines, the same Marine unit in Full Metal Jacket.
TBR Schmitt happily: "Well he made it to graduation day"
Me: "Oh no"
I thought the same... This is a DARK movie... no happy endings here. Also it is notably an ANTI-war movie, not a war-movie.
I said that when they said the blanket party scene was dark. You ain't seen nothing yet son!
I actually watched "Full Metal Jacket" for the first time with a group of around 20 other people the night before we all shipped to boot camp (August 2005 -- the height of the Iraq War). The day before you take the oath of enlistment and ship out, the US government puts you up in a hotel nearby the military processing station. And there was about 20 of us and we watched this movie in the hotel lobby or common room, whatever it was. We laughed our asses off at the first half, but at the same time, there was this pervasive thought of "oh sh*t, is this what boot camp is gonna be like tomorrow?" And yes, it is very accurate-- aside from the drill instructors beating the recruits, they can't do that, at least not anymore.
Yea, this movie is not like most war movies. There's no real plot or "mission" that needs to be accomplished. It's more of a psychological character study of the dehumanization effects that war can have on the human psyche-- as we see what happens to Gomer Pyle in basic training. And then later in the second half, we see how actual combat can turn men into sociopathic monsters, like Animal Mother. Can you imagine what Animal Mother will be like when he reintegrates back into society?
Wow what a night that must have been! Thank you for sharing and for the great analysis of the film!
This should be top comment.
I haven't seen the movie in a while, but it feels like Animal Mother is the flip side of Pyle, the "good" and intended result of that kind of training. If Pyle survived the boot camp, he might've become something like Animal Mother in Vietnam.
I joined the Marines in 1961 the movie was accurate but there was more than one Pyle everyone got a taste of what they would call today physical abuse particularly the belly punches. It wasn't legal but it was rampant no one dared to complain about it. The training at that period of time was just 8 weeks bc of the war most Marine recruits were sent to Nam the peace time training in 1961 was 12 weeks I think it's 12 weeks now.
He ran for Congress 🤣
I strongly suggest watching Ken Burns "The Vietnam War", a ten episode documentary about the war starting from colonial days until the end in 1975. It's brilliant stuff and gives you a great insight about the War and the men and women (US as well as Vietnamese) who fought in it.
Best documentary I’ve ever seen,don’t know why Netflix removed it though
it was amazing and shockingly revealing. such an awful time.
Burns changed the modern documentary. Starting with his doc on the Brooklyn Bridge and continued with the Civil War, WW2, and Vietnam docs. They are all so personal and compelling that it doesn’t feel like a documentary.
"I was trying to speak to the duality of man, that Jungian thing."-Joker
There are numerous Jungian references in the movie
The whole theme of this movie is basically "the duality of man". Joker even says that in a line when asked about the peace sign and helmet. It's very much representative of the Vietnam War. America was there to "protect democracy" and save Vietnam, but often committed the most vile atrocities. Joker wears a peace sign and a helmet that read "Born to kill", again the duality of man. Pvt Pyle was a kind-hearted person that became a deranged killer (duality). Even Gunnery Sgt Hartman represents this. He is hard and cruel at times, but it comes from a place of caring. He is turning these "boys" to men, and preparing them for war and the worst experiences anyone could imagine. He is hard because he wants them prepared. You even said after boot camp, "it's like two different movies" (duality).
It's also about propaganda, and messaging that brainwashes a population to support wars that are truly hell on Earth, but is sold as this glorious and patriotic heroism. Joker is a reporter, and they are shaping and bending the stories covered to fit the message the military wants to portray.(They have a meeting to discuss how to word what they writing about) However, you see that actual effect of the war as each of the people get more jaded and cold-hearted. Pvt Pyle has a mental breakdown, soldiers shot civilians and mutalate dead enemies, and even when Joker kills the sniper at the end, he has an emotional crisis when he actually has to kill face to face. He realizes the ramifications of the psychological and emotional changes made to him. He became what his helmet said and the Marines/ America created and shaped, someone "Born to Kill".
I think the Mickey Mouse song at the end represents good old fashioned innocent Americana. What's more innocent and wholesome as Disney?? These Marines just go about their business singing a child's song after all that violence, as if it just an everyday experience. Life goes on, and America and it's culture, military, and economic empire spreads around the world washing away any horrors committed in the process.
This movie is a dark exploration of the human psyche, American culture, the military, and American society as a whole.
The more I watch it, the more I discover little gems.
best comment by far.....
Animal mother is a reborn version of Private Pyle and what he could have became. They even look similar. Complete duality.
The Mickey Mouse March also works because they were all young men around the same age.
@@nostalgiaoffury1769 I came here to comment this. I saw a super in depth video on this. Really shows the writing and directing of Stanley Kubrick.
Edit: Grammar
@J Powzy Lmao bruh. There's a difference between the details in a story and the overall reason behind said story. We all know about the Gulf of Tonkin and how the CIA and such entities use False Flag attacks. That doesn't take away from how a story of individuals who had to, and chose to suffer for what was they thought was the greater good. I'm one of them. I saw what my grandfather went through in Korea, And I joined because of this movie. Not because of "Service" or some other patriotic bullshit. I joined because I wanted a life lead differently. I didn't want to go join everyone else in a bullshit 9-5. So when people want to mention the "mIlItArY iNdUsTrIaL cOmPlEx" it's not the individuals who join for other reasons.
"How can you shoot women and children?"
"Easy... you just don't lead 'em so much!"
When I got that joke years later I laughed... and immediately felt terrible for it!
can you explain it please ?
@@John-ir4id thanks so much man : )
The actor that played the helicopter gunner was supposed to be cast as the drill Sargent but R Lee Ermey was such a good consultant that Kubrick switched them.
The line is originally in “Dispatched” by Michael Herr, who worked on the screenplay with Kubrick.
@@John-ir4id Technically when in a forward moving helicopter you are supposed to aim behind the slower forward moving target and the bullets will move into the target from behind because of the helicopters velocity. If you try to lead the target in a forward moving helicopter the bullets will hit in front of the slower forward moving target and then move further away from the target without hitting it. When doing deflection shooting you just have to know where you aim relative to the target being fired at.
The film was a metaphor for the the war itself. No purpose. No resolution. (in the aggregate - not taking away from individual experiences or contributions) Masterful piece of cinema.
In the end, in the real end, war is pointless. We fight, we die, we stop. We start again. No one ever truly wins on this tiny little planet where we all must live together, all alone in the night.
21:05 - "Very unique, I've never seen anything like that."
That's Stanley Kubrick for you........
My brother did 2 tours in Vietnam. When he came home he was never the same. He eventually committed suicide. Before he died he told me that of all the Vietnam movies, Apocalypse Now was the most accurate, at least compared to his experience. He was on one of the PBRs (Patrol Boat Riverine) for his first entire tour.
I miss him terribly.
Sorry for your loss. My dad joined the Marines in ‘67 at age 17. He could never watch this movie or other Vietnam movies. But from what I heard from him about his brutal training experience in boot camp, that part is accurate.
I'm sorry for your loss. May he rest peaceful. I am grateful for his service.
Thank you... Daughter of a Marine.
Sorry for your loss brother
Sorry for your loss but how could your brother do that? After all he witnessed and went through to learn how valuable life is, he took his own.
@@Randomyoutubecommenter He felt so much guilt over killing strangers who had never personally wronged him, (he told more horror stories of things they were made to do to villagers), that he just couldn't take it. It didn't help that his wife was completely unsympathetic to his problems.
I saw an interview with R. Lee Ermy and he said when he auditioned for the part, he had some silly dialog to read that never would have been said. He went into full Drill mode and the rest is history.
That bootcamp portion of the movie carried the entire film.
@@bingusclub69funni true, but the first words out of his mouth, made them rethink dialog. I met him, I asked him specifically about that.
I saw this movie in theater with a friend who was in Korea and two tours as an advisor in Vietnam and a Drill Instructor in the Marines during Viet Nam. He didn’t say a word durning the movie or on the drive home, he had a far away look on his face very unlike him. Later that evening he said it was the closest movie he ever saw to being there and experiencing everything from boot camp to coming home. Remember there was no draft for the Marines, (just the Army) so each of these Characters chose to be there.
When I came home from boot camp in early 88 Full Metal Jacket had finally made it to my hometown. My sister asked if I wanted to go see it with her and her bf at the time. We went and the first few minutes of the movie was like a flashback to what I had just left. My sister was slouched down in her seat and her bf was laughing, because I was responding like I was there. Shouting at the top of my lungs "Sir Yes Sir" with the recruits on the screen. It was amazing. My sister did not believe my stories of the training until she watched this movie. It was almost exactly spot on to what I experienced. Will remain one of my favorite movies of all time.
I went to basic right after this movie came out. Guess who all my drill Sgts wanted to be? Lol.
I'm curious -- what did your sister think training was like?
Stanley Kubrick was brilliant
7:37 You are correct. Putting the soap in a towel still provides pain from swinging it but normally prevents any marks from appearing. Basically there were some (like Joker) who did not want to be involved. But everyone had to be involved so no one could rat anyone out without incriminating themselves.
one thing i'd always wondered was how Pyle managed to smuggle live rounds from the firing range. normally in Basic, the DI's are VERY careful in searching recruits to make sure that none are taken. hell, DI's dont even allow spent cartridges to be taken. however Pyle managed to smuggle all those live rounds back to the barracks without anybody seeing it, he was extremely clever about it.
True story bro - real-life incidences like Pyle are the reason it's like that now. Back then, it hadn't happened much so it wasn't really thought of as as big of a security risk. With the draft came a lot of people who have no business near a weapon, thus an increase of these incidences prompted tighter measures on accounting for individual rounds of ammunition, as well as locking weapons away in an armory.
"No brass, no ammo, Drill Sergeant!"
@@maxr.mamint8580 very true!
What makes this film sensational is that it does not try to create heroes or villains. It just shows the war as it is, the horrible way it is and how it transforms the people who are involved in it.
Very well said!
Good point. There are hero's and villain's in all of us.
my best friend is a former Marine. he says this is the best representation of Boot Camp. when i was going thru Air Force Basic Training we used to randomly yell at each other "A JELLY DONUT?!?!?" it was hilarious.
My Older Brother was a USMC Drill instructor, He had said many times that there was never anything that he could do to stress out the soldiers to prepare them for War.
Well it's good you AF boys were able to blow off some steam. Between the basket weaving and the puppet shows Lackland can be a very stressful place.
@@BULL.173 as a grunt in Nam I really appreciated what the Air Force did for us on the ground. Without them and the Marine air wings and the naval air squadrons we probably would have lost more than a few battles.
@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 My comment was purely in jest Roadrunner. I was in Afghanistan myself, 173rd Airborne. I wouldn't be alive right now if it weren't for close air support courtesy of the USAF. I consider that a statement objective of fact. I was just breaking balls
@@BULL.173 okay, got it.
I saw this movie in a theater in Beaufort SC and being 14 miles from Paris Island, it was full of drill instructors. It was an amazing experience.
would love to be looking down from all the way in the back seeing the film and their reaction! lol
This movie always reminds me how much respect I have for my youngest brother who became a Marine.
When I was in college back in the 80s a good friend of mine was a Marine Vietnam veteran M60 gunner who served in 1967-8 who said this was the most accurate movie about the war from his perspective from the basic training to his experiences in the Tet Offensive and Hue City.
No doubt about it!
That first scene with seargent Hartman is one of the greatest improvisation scene in cinematic history ! You can't write something that crazy !! Kubrick is a mad genius...
I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s when Vietnam was still fresh… I was really young, but I remember.. Those guys were treated soo bad and it was such an unpopular war and I didn’t completely understand until I saw movies made in the 80’s depicting exactly what happened…being drafted during Vietnam was not like being drafted during WWII, completely different wars and all the movies made about the Vietnam war reflect a reality that’s not very flattering…There is another extremely good Vietnam war movie called Hamburger Hill I’d recommended
This movie came out just a couple of years after I got out of the Marine Corps. The depiction of Boot Camp was the most realistic of any movie I have seen right up until the end when The Drill Instructor got shot. That was pretty unrealistic. I am glad you reviewed it the way you did. Good Job!!!
Vincent D'Onofrio going from normal dude to insane is amazing acting ! It's like his model for all his future unhinged character in the future like Kingpin in Daredevil or the killer in the Cell !
The faces he makes tell a whole story!
Or the ever increasingly strange Edgar the Bug in MIB
hes such an underrated actor, true artist
He was great as Kingpin in the Daredevil series.
He did this movie, then lost SEVENTY POUNDS to be "Thor" in "Adventures in Babysitting"
Hamburger Hill should be on your watch list. It usually gets overlooked because of this film and Platoon, but according to my father, a Nam vet, it was the most realistic movie about the war that he's seen.
That’s a powerful recommendation from a Nam vet! We will absolutely check it out! Thank you!
Hamburger Hill was for me one of the most difficult war films to watch...the futility of trying to take that hill...and a blue on blue scene that is especially tough to watch
Yes, a very good, very underappreciated war film. Shame it got overshadowed because of the other war films around the same time, but damn is that movie’s cast pretty impressive.
AGREE...hamburg hill provides better meaning to the Vietnam War. A War that the majority of Americans did not want to participate in, but the politicians used for political reasons only. A VERY Sad chapter in American history. This is why to this very day Americans do not TRUST political parties.
I just posted the same recommendation. Honestly it removes any notion of romanticism war.
This movie helped to inspire me to take the Parris Island challenge back in 1996. Best decision I ever made.
I am 61 years old. I had a friend in the early 1980's who was a Chopper pilot in Vietnam and the stories he told me were chilling. I have never served but I have GREAT RESPECT for all those who did. THANK YOU and God Bless.
I think the point of the marines singing the Mickey Mouse song at the end was to remind you that these marines were kids. Six months ago they were graduating from high school.
Exactly right. The Marines and the war have hardened them, but deep down they're still boys.
@carpe diem That's valid too.
@carpe diem That's a facile theory.
@Jonah DrinkWater "I am in a world of shit yes -- but I am alive, and I am not afraid."
It always struck me as Joker’s final embrace of complete nihilism.
I'll give you two reasons why this is my favorite Vietnam film, R. Lee Ermey and Vincent D'Onofrio.
Very good reasons!
And Kubrick...
The movie was meant to be an anti war movie but ironically it became credited for the surge of new volunteers for the Marines
@steel marr Sort of like guys glomming onto the Gordon Gekko 'ideal man'
You can kind of use it as a litmus test for now people viewed America's involvement in the war.
It’s why I joined.
I've met R Lee Ermy (the Drill Instructor) he was a great contributor to so many veteran and Marine Corps programs. Really nice guy, RIP. My Marine Dad actually fought at Hue City which was the urban battle they fought in this movie. He went to boot camp at the Marine Corps recruiting depot in San Diego in 1968 and he told me that this movie was so incredibly accurate, the DIs were even meaner back then he said, they could beat them. He showed this movie to me before I went to talk to a recruiter to join the Marines after I aged out of the Young Marines LMFAO he thought it would scare me but it just made me want to do it more. My Dad died in 2017 of Agent Orange that he was exposed to during the war. Semper Di do or Die!!!!
This is the most important war film ever. It is uniquely focused on how war changes people and dehumanizes us. All it does is ask questions, it doesn’t really suggest answers, and that’s a mark of true art in my mind.
One way to look at this movie is through the writing of Carl Jung who believed in the shadow of man. The shadow is ourselves, the base animal instinct to kill. At one point, It is stated that Joker wears a peace sign and has war is peace written on him to express the duality of man “the Jungian thing, Sir” Drill sergeant states that if you don’t have a hard heart, “you will not kill” When the time comes to react, he fails to shoot the sniper. Joker asks how can you shoot women and children, yet at the end of the movie he shoots a young girl. The more complex: drill sergeant tells Pyle he is “born again hard” Jungian philosophy/ psychology is that we must die unto ourselves to reveal our true nature. Pyle becomes a killer, killing the drill sergeant and then himself. Dying unto himself. In Vietnam, Joker encounters Animal Mother.
Is he the shadow of Pyle, born again hard?Both were the largest man in the platoon. In one scene, Pyle is running in slow motion Center framed during training with those beside him holding him up, helping him along. Second phase of the movie, Animal Mother is running in the same way, center framed on his own shooting as he goes. A killer going on base instinct. The movie is sheer brilliance by Kubrick.
He didn't 'fail' to shoot her. His gun failed to fire. He pulls the trigger and is rewarded with a 'click'. She hears it, turns and you know the rest.
I highly recommend "Paths of Glory" from Stanley Kubrick too. It's one of his earlier movies, from the 50's, black & white, stars Michael Douglas' dad; Kirk Douglas(they look and sound almost the same!) and it is one of the best war movies ever also, set in WW 1. It still holds up to this day beautifully and it's probably Kubrick's shorter film; under 1,5 hours.
Seeing bits of this over years, I finally watched it from start 2 finish in lockdown. Absolutely blew me away! It felt so modern, so relevant 2day!
watching people watch a kubrick movie is almost better than the movie. the emotional reactions in a span of seconds is incredible
This one, Platoon and Apocalypse Now. The 3 important movies about the Vietnam War.
Add We Were Soldiers and Hamburger Hill. Based on actual battles.
I agree with your recommendations, but want to add Born on the 4th of July since it deals with the war plus the aftermath for one soldier
Apocalypse Now is nothing but Hollywood BS. Platoon is an amazing movie with great music and acting. This movie is good but I thought “ Boys in Company C” was better. R. lee Ermey was the DS in that movie as well.
@@McPh1741 Apocalypse Now is a true masterpiece
Meh, not really. This was a masterfully made film and great entertainment, but it is in no way accurate to what actually happened in the conflict in Vietnam. The first half of the movie was somewhat realistic although a little bit exaggerated. The second half was basically just all Hollywood and what Stanley Kubrick wants people to think happened in Vietnam.
Billy Wilder, one of the greatest filmmakers that ever lived, said that the first 40 minutes of Full Metal Jacket is the greatest movie ever made. Hard to argue that one.
Wow....didn't know that.
My old man is a marine as well. He would always say the first hour is the best, but he hated the war scenes.
R. Lee Ermey, the actor playing the Drill Seargeant, was a real life Drill Seargeant before he started acting. He originally was brought to the set as an advisor to Kubrick but convinced the director to play the role himself by showing him a video of him swearing and yelling uninterrupted for minutes while being shot at with tennis balls.
It was not until after my father died in March of 2020 that my family told me what happened when he came home from Vietnam after loosing 5 friends there... Both of my aunts went to pick up him at the local international airport, when he got off the plane in his dress uniform (that is all he and most other soldiers had), and my two aunts had to shield him all the way out to the car from all the demonstrators trying to spit on him.
He was drafted, he served, he managed to survive, and it helped ruin the rest of his life... I had heard about spitting incidents happening to other soldiers, I had no idea it happened to my own father.
Notice how the moment Joker shoots the sniper, his peace scene becomes obscured by his jacket. I remember someone pointing that out to me, cool detail.
R Lee Ermey visited my unit while I was in Iraq in 2003. Very nice guy. Really just liked to bring everyone up around him. Good review!
I fell upon your channel by accident today, and this was the first video I saw. You guys gave an excellent review.
This movie has been a huge part of my life, and it's always great to see people really appreciate it.
5:18 This obstacle is so intimidating when you first see it, especially if you are afraid of heights. Eventually, you can literally throw yourself over the other side and control your fall with your arm strength on the way down.
4:36 That trash can toss is my favorite part of this whole movie. It never fails to make me laugh.
I never noticed the rifles hanging from the racks during the blanket party scene, and I've watched this movie several times.
Mines is when he finds the donut. It reminds me of when I was in Army BT and forgot to lock my locker... My DS had a similar reaction.
I fucking love how he throws it in absolute disgust. So funny man.
This movie was released shortly after I was discharged from the USMC. The boot camp scene's brought me back to that time, such great detail put into those scenes. When I went through boot, my Senior drill instructor's was a Vietnam vet on his last cycle . Semper Fi!!!!!
We actually watched this in Media Class in grade 10. I immediately went to the mall at lunch that day and bought the VHS. Amazing film.
This movie is unique not because of the war it portrays but how it's portrayed. This is all due to Stanley Kubrick direction, a genius of movie making.
I had a friend who went to Vietnam. He was a mechanic and spent his entire time there in a city repairing vehicles for the army.
thank him for his service please
Only 10% of the soldiers over there at any time were active combat; the other 90% were support staff. Of course, Vietnam being Vietnam, VC could pop out of the sidewalk and start shooting.
Pledge from those fortunate enough to make it through Drill Sergeant School in the 1960's: "Let no man die on the battlefield because you, his drill sergeant, failed to train him properly." I was a twenty-year-old Drill Sergeant after returning from Vietnam. I was only one of fifteen of the original 42 sergeants that began the class. I am 73 years old today and I have never forgotten that pledge or the twenty-two platoons of 50 men each I trained back then. It was one of the most important jobs I ever held. God Bless the men and women that protect our country today for without them, we lose everything.
Those who fought in the Vietnam war weren't fighting for America; it was a unprovoked unjustified war
Just discovered your channel and I love your content. Full Metal Jacket is a favorite of mine but not one I watch often because of how dark it is. It leaves the viewer in a strange mood. Full Metal Jacket is very much an anti war film. Its very effective. I would love to see you both react to First Blood. Keep up the great content.
Fun Fact:
The gunner in the helicopter was supposed to be the original Drill Sargent. But the guy who played the DS in the movie was a real DS.
Edit:
Sorry I meant DI not DS.
DI not DS he was in the marines not the army
I hate to be that person man, but it’s a DI. DS is for the Army.
R Lee also had a cameo on a chopper in Apocalypse Now.
Most accurate portrayal of how training was during the Vietnam era, training was cut short and the classes were doubled in size. These Drill Instructors would definitely lay hands on you for some Corrective Action during those days
Rest In Peace R. Lee Ermey. We will always remember and honor you. SIR YES SIR!!!!
Private Gomer Pyle was played by Vincent D'onofrio. D'onofrio was from Law and Order Criminal Intent as well as playing Kingpin in the new DareDevil series. He was also the alien roach in the first Men in Black movie.
My dad was in the army during Vietnam, served mostly in Korea as an ambulance driver. Forbid my sister and I from ever joining an armed service because, in his words, you're selling body and soul to the government and he didn't want his kids to be slaves. It's a lot different today, but his words still echo in my heart. This shit made good soldiers, but terrible human beings.
Vincent DiNofrio is so amazing as Private Pyle. Such a great actor.
There’s a theory out there that Pvt. Pyle and Animal Mother are actually the same person. Pyle’s “suicide” is supposed to represent him being “reborn hard” and turning into the killing machine that is Animal Mother. It also kinda explains why Joker and Animal Mother already kinda seem to know each other.
Seems more like they were both recruited in Program 100'000. A.k.a Mcnamaras Morons.
Just watched The Fronts video about it. Makes so much more sense.
Rubbish
In combat, there’s no time for, “that a boy” and these maggots will then know what stress is really about.
You two should really watch "Casualties of War
". It's based on a true story, and is another Vietnam war movie. While not very well known, and not a box office hit, it has stood out over time and received a lot of critical acclaim. Stars Michael J. Fox and Sean Penn in some of their earliest roles - and they do it amazingly.
De Palma invited Steven Spielberg to a private screening of the film, and after the screening ended, Spielberg said to Columbia Pictures executive Dawn Steel, "You'll be thinking about this for a week."
My step-dad was drafted for Vietnam and he says this kind of training was pretty standard. To break you and re-make you. Not always for the better.
The training no doubt made you better. It was the experience of the reality of combat that tore at you. The training gave the strength both mentally and physically to withstand it. Without it you would have no chance - no chance.
The drill instructor having a good recruit teach one that's struggling is perfectly normal. This happens all the time in boot camp. There are always going to be recruits that lag behind. But it's also the drill instructor's job to make sure everyone passes recruit training. Obviously, this doesn't always happen for one reason or another. Still, a drill instructor is going to do everything they can to help a recruit get through boot camp.
My training platoon started with 76 bodies. Exactly half the originals graduated. The other 38 had been set back in training, jailed, or discharged as unfit or broken. And we had a recruit tie his bootlaces around his throat and to a concrete wash-rack and lay down on his face forever one midnight. So, yeah, it was intense. I trained just before the Corps banned the swagger stick. Nuff said on that.
Then again, we picked up about 40 or 45 setbacks from platoons ahead of us in the training cycle; most of the setbacks graduated with us. As I recall, we graduated about 65. This was pre-Nam.
There was no peer-to-peer help when I went through Parris Island. It was every man for himself, and the DIs were on the hindmost.
The first 45 minutes Pyle story arc is incredible, the final 35 minute sniper scene amazing as well. I often wish the first 45 was just a short film.
My dad is involved with the Young Marines program. He and one of his friends in the program visited Las Vegas a few years back and got to meet Mr. Ermey.....my dad said he was a super nice guy, very patriotic.....the real deal!
This movie has always left that uncomfortably dark feeling inside. Even though, I've watched it a number of times. Speaking of journalism and the military, you should watch "Good Morning Vietnam" based on a true story of a radio jock who is assigned to the U.S. Armed Services radio station in Vietnam and really shakes things up. Starring the incomparable Robin Williams.
Apocalypse Now should be on your list. Nominated for 8 Academy Awards. Won for Cinematography and Sound. Platoon is another classic Vietnam movie. It won 4 Academy Awards. Best Picture/Best director/Sound/Editing.
i really want to like Apocalypse Now but it's always losing me. I am not sure I ever made it to the end. Maybe this year I'll give it another go?
Platoon: I was working with a young kid who made the comment that he didn’t understand the term, “Going Postal”. i used the closing scene, to explain how when they put him on the helicopter at the end, he was headed home. and, because they didn’t acknowledge the PTSD was real, he would spend a day in out processing, while still in Viet Nam, then get put on an airplane to the west coast. Less than 72-hours out of combat, they were back in San Francisco, LA, San Diego, or Seattle, with money for a plane or train ticket home. Then because most of them were ten point vets, they got hired at the Post Office.
I recommend the movie "Come And See" directed by Soviet filmmaker Elem Klimov. It shows the war highly accurate and drastic from eastern europe perspective through the eyes of two children.
Come and See is a Russian war movie and is one of the most devastating portraits of war on film you will ever see. Having said that The Thin Red Line is my favourite war film of all time. It’s hauntingly beautiful. I love Full Metal Jacket! Saw it three times at the cinema when it first came out. Was an R rating in Australia over 18 only. Still have the soundtrack on vinyl. You guys are great.
The Drill Sergeant scene is amazing!
It’s so iconic and glad we got to watch it!
@@TBRSchmitt absolutely, everyone should watch it! The actors did a perfect job.
Drill Sergeant? The Army has drill sergeants, not the Marine Corps.
Lawrence Of Arabia, Bridge On The River Kwai and Come And See are three war films I cannot recommend enough.
Thank you for the recommendation! We have not seen those yet so we are excited to check them out!
Amen! Those are the three I would recommend as well.
While not my favorite movie (I do rank it high though), I honestly believe Lawrence of Arabia might be the greatest movie ever made.
@@TBRSchmitt I am very excited to see any possible reactions.
@@possiblepilotdeviation5791 It's my all-time #7
Every time I seen Lee Ermy being who he is, I immediately think of my godfather, he himself went through Vietnam. Though he was stationed in Okinawa, he made a name for himself as being the greatest mechanic that the Marine ever saw. He drove a 10-ton through his sevice and installed a heater core in it..
trivia about this film - was originally going to be called 'shove tuesday'
Stanley Kubrik the director made an anti-war movie. That's why its so dark and there are no heroics.
Most Vietnam movies have an anti-war message.
Try his earlier film 'Paths of Glory'.
It may just be the best anti-war film, though the whole Vietnam period is extremely confused and biased with anti-American Communist types, as opposed to any real understanding of the Vietnam War being wrong or right. Stanley seems fairly apolitical, which helps, and you can see that this is way deeper than simply being anti-war as such or anti-Vietnam War. It is more about the brutality of war and training, and the individual (in this case, Pyle). Very deep stuff. Of course, after this film, the Drill Sargent actor, who was a real Drill Sargent and a very good man, had to go on TV and justify himself to mindless, cowardly/weak, anti-war interviewers and such. From his viewpoint, this kind of thing doesn't happen that much to this extreme, but extreme training does exist and for good reason: to ensure that you survive in war and, more importantly, aid in the survival of the other men around you and the protection of [American] freedom. If you cannot hack training, then you cannot hack war, in which case, you should not be there as you are putting lives in danger. It's a bit like coal miners or something -- they are very harsh in training and to their people, and for good reason: you need to be strong to be able to work down the mines without having a mental breakdown or getting people killed. It's not so simple. The film is a bit of a strawman, of course, and isn't as deep as it could have been, and is not at all Stanley's best film, but it's still decent and has a few layers to it.
There's heroics, Doc J trying to save 8-ball for example or Rafterman saving Joker. But the film doesn't glorify war.
6:05 - The thing about this scene is he's telling them in an offhand way that he actually does care about whether or not they make it back from Vietnam. At the end of the day, a Drill Instructor is as hard on you as they are because they want you to be equipped enough to be able to survive out there. The training they provide you is the only preparation you get for combat, and combat isn't something that you can truly prepare for, because it's that much worse than what you think it's going to be, or what you're told that it's like.
fun fact: Former U.S. Marine drill instructor Ermey was originally hired as a technical advisor. Ermey asked Kubrick if he could audition for the role of Drill Instructor Hartman. Ermey's experience as a drill instructor during the Vietnam War proved invaluable; Kubrick estimated Ermey wrote 50% of his character's dialogue, particularly the insults.
edit: he also appears in Scrubs as the Janitors drill instructor-like father.
The biggest thing missing from this review was the incredible music that accompanied it. and really NO comment about it. the music from this film is as epic as the film.
Everyone remembers the first part so well because it was so iconic , second part is so different from the first part that it feels like two different movies.
yes. I agree. I've watched the whole movie about 3 times. but I've rewatched the first half about 10 times. the second half is like all the other Vietnam movies but not as good as Platoon, Apocalypse Now, etc. but the first half is amazing. so well acted and shot. could have been a stage play.
@@billymuellerTikTok I find the second half just really strange to watch. I get the questions it asks and like that part of it, but I don't think it's really well put together. It's messaging is very good, but I think there are better shot/accurate/realistic depictions out there.
Most Marines, including myself will tell you that the favorite parts of the movie was the boot camp scenes and I watched it for the first time while stationed in the Philippines with a theater full of Marines which made it that much more fun. The Drill Instructor actually used to be a Marine Drill Instructor when he used to be on active duty. The crazy machine gunner inside of the helicopter was originally supposed to play the part of the D.I. Much of the sayings, the set-up, etc. of boot camp is right on the money, but people have to realize that it was a different era (i.e. during the Vietnam war) so much of the physical abuse and the outright cursing doesn't really happen anymore and you have 3-5 Drill Instructors whom seem to see and hear everything in real life.
me too, semper fi
Another bit of trivia.... the electronic score, credited to "Abigail Mead," is actually by Kubrick's daughter, Vivian Kubrick, who also played Floyd's daughter in 2001.
so many great sound bytes from this movie used in music... 'me so horny' saw sampled in 2 Live Crew's song of the same name and Sir-Mix-A-Lot's 'Baby Got Back'.. 'get up get on your feet' and 'you will not kill' and 'I can't hear you' used in 'Thieves' by Ministry