Lead Core vs Dropper Rigs for Kokanee
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2020
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Getting down to depths where Kokanee are without downriggers is a challenge for many anglers. I have been using dropper rigs with sliding cannonball lead sinkers for years but many have asked if they can use lead core line. Here I compare dropper rigs with lead core line and explain why I prefer droppers.
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I love using my leadcore!! I run 1 mono higher in the water and 1 leadcore to get deeper!
Works great with no complaints.
Suffix is the best leadcore and doesn’t seem to be as thick and stiff as Tuff Line.
I believe you've dispelled any belief that lead core should ever still be used, except for the reasons you explained. 40 years ago, that's how I first learned to Kokanee. We used leaded line, Ford fenders, and wedding rings, on Bead Lake. My grandpa would tell me I had a fish on. I never knew, even when reeling it in. I couldn't ever feel it.
Excellent informative video! Love the dropper rig setup idea! I'm definitely going to try it on nearby Riffe Lake for Silvers and Rainbows ! I bet it'll be great!!! Appreciate all you do for us!!! 😀👍
I've been running leadcore since I got into trolling for kokanee a year ago...had lots of success but lose alot of fish. Thinking because its such a long retrieval esp wjen fishing at 35+feet... when using your dropper rig how do you know the depth....is there a formula for weight speed and how much line you deploy? One thing I love about lead is I always have a real good idea of my exact depth
Those were some nice kokes! I started experimenting with a hybrid leadcore setup last year. basically only 4 colors of leadcore with a fluoro topshot. I found the same results as you mentioned. The fight is just not as good, especially on smaller fish, and to get 25 -30 feet I was 120 feet back. It's always cool to learn new methods and I will say the leadcore does catch fish! As always great video, you do great work!
I love me some lead core here in Maine!! It out fished down riggers this past weekend!! Never tired the dropper rigs!! I’ll look into them
Def situations where it prevails here as well. Just not for Kokanee
Nice video ! Also highlights the importance of using what works for your needs. I see leadcore used a bunch on larger vessels but like the simplicity of a lighter setup, especially in some of the lakes with the smaller koks.
Got some pigs up there in CL
I use both methods, depending upon season and conditions, out of a 12' power skiff, set up specifically for fishing Kokanee and Sockeye Salmon. I have a rigger aboard, but seldom make use of it
Just prefer flatlining to downriggers.
Really nice fish!
Just a note - when there are ruptures in the braid with lead poking through it actually does compromise the overall strength of the braid. I learned that the hard way by losing several dodger+lure rigs before I figured out what the problem was.
I guess I should have said it depends on the severity.
Spilt Milt Productions I had started using lead core about 4 years ago. When I first saw the kinks with lead poking through I ignored it until I had breaks. Now when I notice the lead kinks I cut the line, remove small pieces of the lead and splice the braid together until I eventually replace the lead core.
Tyler, I don't have downriggers, but I do have a leadcore (and dipsy) rig. And, I also run a dropper with the leadcore to get it down fast . 8 oz of lead will get it down to 25 feet with about fifty feet out, so the lines is at a very steep angle. Although, the outfit is heavy to start with, so it's not the sportiest equiipment to use, but it catches fish.
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Thanks man appreciate it! Keep up the good work on your end.
Hey dude your videos are very enjoyable. I fish lead core a lot and find after 2 colors are out the lead core deploys itself. I attribute that to pointing the rod tip towards where the line is deploying in order to reduce friction on the rod guides, and I use a rod that has the ceramic inside the rod guides. I also use Mason 18lb lead core. I have never used the lead core that you are using. Try placing your rod longways on your Kayak when deploying lead core. I only fish for brown trout but I watch your videos anyway. Perhaps you could make some videos on finding brown trout because there isn't much information on that. Thanks for all your videos!
It would be interesting to see what your results are using your dropper Rigs in combination with Spin and glows and wobble glows for the Kokanee. The spin-n-glows and wobble-glows are used quite extensively for drift fishing salmon trout and steelhead. I would love to see a head-to-head comparison between those two lure rigs with the two hooks system on your dropper flasher rigs in a new video.
Back when I first started Kokanee fishing I use spin-n-glows for Kokanee quite a bit. They do work!
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Posted on your FB page, but one can get line out fast and easy and fish with much light reels than what you were using. I mentioned my set up over there also. Great stuff as normal...sweet Kok’s
I have no problem getting the microlead to roll off but the heavier stuff is just too stiff. However, I can't stand the microlead because I would get 2 or more kinks in it per outing. That gets expensive really quickly.
@@spiltmilt Great vid! I've used the same lead core (Tuf-line regular) that you are using and have found it hard to verify depth. You said in the vid that you had about 3 colours out but then said 150' which would be 5 colours (30' per colour). The 5 colours makes sense though as the average I've read is 5-6' per colour at 1-1.5 mph to get you to your 25-30'. I just tried the lead ball dropper you use for Chinook last week in the Sound with a 10 oz ball for the first time and was getting tangled messes quite frequently even though I have a pedal Hobie. I think sometimes I was letting it down too fast and others maybe going to slow. Maybe I'll try the same setup in Lake Sammamish for some Cutties (with a smaller ball of course!). Anyway, thanks for making these great videos!
I keep noticing the background in your videos all seem to be East of the Cascades. I’m in Western (Northwestern actually) Washington and I’m haven’t even made my first Kokanee trip yet. I’m dying to get out on the water for some though.
Would I use the same tactics and gear in my area? I know the fish only run 10-14” so smaller lures would be better??
If you’re ever fishing this side I’d love a chance to fish with with you (I’ve no doubt I could learn a lot from you).
I don’t have a yak though…mine is a pontoon with a trolling motor (believe me if I could figure out a peddle system I’d swap it out in a heartbeat…lol).
One other question…that small line counter reel in this video…what brand is it?
Thanks for the education and keep the great videos comin!!
With the rods so near each other on a narrow kayak I wonder if one line being on a more narrow angle into the water and the other on a steep angle helps avoid tangles between the two
I'm sure it help but I rarely have issues with tangling.
Do you have a formula of how much line to let out on your dropper rigs to get the depth that you want?
Excellent video as always. Is there a reason you're using the Santiam rod instead of the Swate Blueback you used to use?
I stopped using Swate products because the company that makes them does not treat their employees fairly
@@spiltmilt That's very respectable. Aside from protesting the company, was anything wrong with them or was it simply a moral decision?
Moral. The rods are good quality
I use lead core one thing I do is vacant the lead as you did but I push 10 lbs test mono in the vacated lead core tie three over hand knot spaced about one inch apart to hold the mono in then put about 20 feet of mono after the lead core.this way your playing the fish close to the boat on mono and the line will reel on the reel
Great tip. Thanks for sharing.
Great video as usual . Koks in my area are starting to turn red on bellies especially. They are averaging around 17 inches so I'd like to catch a few more before spawn. Are they still eat able when turning red on bellies?
Bucks can be worthwhile table fair but the hens get mushy fast
I specifically target the prespawn likes in my local lake. Fine to eat, better hot smoked.
Hey thanks for another great informative vid! Do you have any pointers on how to target kokanee in a lake where th water has risen? I was at Alder today and it was about 4ft higher and pretty murky and had a hard time getting them to bite. Thanks.
@@workhard.830 yeah it was like fishing the high tide... just a waste of time... might have to wait a week or 2 for them to get use to it.... not sure tho
Its tough. Kokanee can def become lock jaw. I see it happen often at Roosevelt when they bring the water up. Also after full moon nights the bite might not pick up until the afternoon as the fish fed all night.
@@spiltmilt thanks, i will definitely be checking the water level and moon before deciding on my next trip.
What's the formula you use for 2oz and 3oz droppers to determine the depth you are getting your gear down to? Also how tight do you crank down the drag when trolling?
2 oz at 1.3 mph with 50' of line is getting me down at around 24' at 1.5 mph I'm at around 18'. If I push it back to 100' on the linecounter at 1.5 I generally get 10-15' drop for every ounce 1.5 mph.
Do you find bigger fish to be at a different depth than smaller kokanee this time of year? In the reservoir I fish at the bigger fish seem to be deeper this time of year.
@@workhard.830 I noticed that too. I was catching some smaller fish.... went out about 40 more feet and started catching larger ones.
It really depends on the lake for me. In this I was catching big ones at the same depth as the shallow ones. In Montana when fishing Little Bitteroot Lake there were clouds of small Kokanee at 20-30' and monsters at 40-60'.
I have experimented with that too. I started fishing at about 60 feet versus 30 where i fish, and on average they were bigger fish.
Great video! Have you ever fished Lake Cle Elum for Mackinaw trout? Is there a video?
I don't have one for Cle Elum but I do for Priest Lake. ua-cam.com/video/58u_fsVUIX8/v-deo.html
Thanks ether response! I watched the video and was very informative. I like to target a new species each year and lake trout is my new target. I have all the needed gear except for the lures. Could you elaborate a little more on type and size?
I do well with 1 oz white tube jigs, dropshotting Powerbait glow swimbaits, or my all time favorite lure is the Lucanus jig from Shimano.
@@spiltmilt thanks so much for taking the time to respond. Appreciate the information.
What would outcome be if using two identical dodger and leader length set ups: one rod having shrimp or hoochie with colorodo spinner and baited with corn, second rod has double hooks baited with corn?
Can you show a picture of what the Thermocline looks like on your fishfinder? I was looking at a Himminbird Helix 9 and Helix 7 for 3 straight days on Lake Roosevelt (8-14 - 8/17), adjusted sensitity setting up to 15 out of 20, no lines on screen to identify Thermocline!
The goal of the video wasn't to show that you get more or less hits on one setup or the other. In fact lead core caught a fair number of fish that day. Both rigs had double hooks baited with corn.
This video shows the thermocline well at 6:40 in this video ua-cam.com/video/yuWFk61S568/v-deo.html
@@spiltmilt Thanks for the reply. I was merely curious how much an atractor such as a brightly colored mini hoochie or Rubber shrimp with or without a colorodo blade is compared to a second rod having an identical leader length but having only two bare hooks baited with corn, no other attractor.
I will look at linked video. Thank you!
what lake ?
How do you know how much line to put out on the dropper
From experience
Tyler,
Do you like the Santiam rods more than the Swate Rods? I am curious about the difference?
The Santiams have a little more backbone. If you primarily catch small Kokanee the Blueback is fine but for bigger Kokes I prefer Santiam
@@spiltmilt Fantastic! Excellent information to know. Keep up the great content on the channel.......love it!
So we have so many great Kokanee lakes in the area. I want to catch my limit. 10 fish, 10 lakes, one day!
That would be challenging but impossible.
Spilt Milt Productions im thinking, banks, deep, billy clap, chelan, alta, upper lake, lower lake, spectacle, palmer, bonapart.
@@spiltmilt Would more than one limit be maybe not so legal?
How do you tell your depths with the bait caster thanks
He is using a line counter reel
Yes I use a line counter then estimate 10-15' drop for every oz at 100'
What lake are you on? Its been so hot in E. WA I haven't been getting much...
Alta
@@spiltmilt thanks!
If 1oz at 100 feet of line equals 10 feet down with a dropper rig, how are you getting 25-30 feet down with 2oz and 50-60 feet of line? I would like to add a dropper rig to my gear so I can fish two rods deep. Now I’m confused about how much line I need to let out.
Because I’m going slower than 1.5 mph
@@spiltmilt Ok, that makes sense. Thanks.
Y the pedal drive when you have the autopilot
I like to mix it up 😉
Plz do corn vs no corn
I know the outcome on this one. Corn will win.
I wanna know how did people fish back in the day. I mean now it seems like you have to go to college to be able to fish. On top of that you gotta get all sorts of specialized lures and Dodger etc. Then you have to make the fish a 6 course meal. I remember going fishing with my dad 20 plus years ago, he had a hand spool reel, a hook and maybe a weight. We would always bring back fish.
No one is saying you can't go out there with a pop bottle and hand line all you want. Peace.
@@spiltmilt I think you took my comment the wrong way. What I meant is that I think the fish have gotten smarter or something. I didnt mean any disrespect. On the contrary, I appreciate that you share your knowledge because if it was not for that I would have given up on fishing.
When you can not use lead just substitute and large steel nut.
I use Dave's Tangle Free weights davestanglefree.com/ as a lead free option
looks like cocunally or however u spell it,,lol