Chichester "Pocket Shotgun" Revolver
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The Chichester Rifle Company (actually of Jersey City, NJ) was one of many small firms that sold branded guns made by the Hopkins & Allen company. In particular, Chichetser sold a “pocket rifle” which was really an XL No. 5 revolver fitted with a long barrel and detachable shoulder stock. These are in period catalogs that survive, and appear to have been made form about 1880 until 1890. In addition, Chichester appears to have also made a small number of “pocket shotguns” by fitting 28 gauge smoothbore barrels to the .38 rimfire (and centerfire) XL No. 5 frames. Both the rifles and shotguns were fitted with an interest small shield, which was intended to accommodate the fact that the user’s eye would be much closer to the gun than a revolver held at arms length. The shield protected the users from escaping gas or debris, and also functioned as a sort of aperture sight.
Special thanks to Cornell Publications and Mike Carrick of Arms Heritage Magazine for help researching this unusual piece!
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You just can’t have any accuracy issues, when your barrel phisically reaches the opponent.
Just ask Batman
"I'm certain, the governor was assassinated at point blank range, Watson."
"But Holmes... the trail of footprints ends a whole 12 feet from where the body was found!"
"Yes...A curious enigma indeed..."
@@MisterTingles Pretty sure he was killed with a punt gun. ;^D
@@MisterTingles you don't know how much I appreciated this! Jeremy Brett and David Burke captured perfectly!
Just imagine like a 500yd long barrel waving around a battlefield
When you decide to fully upgrade the starting pistol
Gun Nut 8
That's almost how it looked in Metro Exodus honestly.
When you max out the range attribute
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Damn it!
It means pocket as in 'corner pocket'. It doubles as a pool cue.
and "shotgun" meaning a .38 caliber revolver. Makes total sense, right? lol
@@zachnies13 It means you shotgun several beers before you can think that using your gun as a pool cue is a good idea.
And a golf club
And a not so subtle defensive walking cane.
Billiards! A cue for playing Billiards.
"Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just- hooooooly moses!"
Lmfaooo
I think The Joker was the market for this gun. ua-cam.com/video/hasipuR7-as/v-deo.html From the 1980s batman movie.
nice hat
When you absolutely positively have to shoot down the batwing.
"It acts as an eye shield, and I think that's actually remarkably foresighted of them".
Remarkably rearsighted
Girl's pockets: can't even fit a cellphone
Boy's pockets:
@@manitoba-op4jx oh damn XD
@@manitoba-op4jx Guess you've never heard of the prison pocket.
yeah it always amuses me how women's clothes generally have really shallow pockets, if any.
@@manitoba-op4jx holy shit I spit my milk
@@manitoba-op4jx ravioli ravioli what's in the pocketoli 😋
All the stopping power of a revolver combined with the inconvenience of a rifle. With added bonus of burning gas straight in your face.
The shield behind the cylinder actually prevents that last one from happening.
@@CardinalAsh It also prevents one from carry it comfortably.
Drxym, not even a good revolver.
@@НиколайКокорин-к5я I don't think you're *ever* going to carry this thing comfortably, shield or no.
@@CardinalAsh just put a sling on it
imagine dual wielding those without the stock
For when you have to shoot down two Batplanes.
how in the hell? it says you posted this a week ago.
@@TamamoF0X dark magic...
@@TamamoF0X Patreon bonus.
Kevin Schäfer and removing the barrel
I like how the stock is the detachable part, as if people would need to cut down a tiny bit of length but keep the goofytown barrel
Clearly you want to remove the stock, you need to be able to shoot this thing one-handed! A duel is honorable good sir, no rifles allowed!
...what do you mean, you can't aim the thing one-handed? Then what the bloody blazes is this thing good for?! *monocle flips off and away*
We live in a society....
Ian and his French addiction. Now he's being sassy about the British and the Queens English. The bloody cheek of the chap! 😉
By George what could you possibly be implying, at least he got the pronunciation correct, fairs, fair and all that.
@@johnmorgan1629 very true old bean.
Oh I say wot! As you say fairs fair!
Indeed. As a Brit I say "It's our language, so we get to decide how it's pronounced". Damned colonials ! 😁
Colour, not color. Calibre, not caliber.
Only Paul Harrell's pockets would actually be able to conceal this.
Pocket dimension detected
😂😂
Along with a breathless forty minute monologue of all the part numbers of everything else that may also fit in . . .
@@loddude5706 Thats just the boring part where he talks, feel free to skip forward
@@xStabizorz it saddens me people skip the best part
"Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Didn't the Joker have a similar gun without the stock? Chichester is a lovely place in the UK.
Never thought it was real.
In the original Batman movie, the Joker is using a S&W Model 15-3 with a 21 inch barrel.
the movie just used a sw .38 with a comically long barrel extension. THIS IS REAL
Scrolled through the comments just to find this reference.
I've got an 18" Buntline by Uberti and that's the number one comment I get at the range.
Also calling this a "Pocket Shotgun" sounds like some kind of ATF legal tomfoolery.
The more we skirt those ATF guidelines the better, I reckon
i see no laws forbidding the carry of this (unless you're in Seattle) so I guess the alphabet bois give no damns
Pocket battleships did not fit in pockets either. Pocket, when used as an adjective, seems to have been the contemporary equivalent of ‘mini’ which, according to my understanding, did not enter universal usage until after the introduction of the Alec Issigonis designed Mini Minor.
@@michaelguerin56Didnt fit? Not with that attitude they didn't.
Imagine just being in a standoff duel and the dude awkwardly pulls this from his pant leg.
Nah he would just drop his pants and then draw.
Or having it like a sword sheath
You'd have to ask yourself, do you feel lucky? Well do you punk!?
When someone takes Looney Tunes cartoon physics seriously.
ACME Arms Inc
Yosemite Sam: i'm interested......can i buy two of those? I just need it for rabbit hunting
@@justineallandevelos6491No, it's duck hunting season.
The GIGN is extremely interested
Chichester shotgun : *Exists*
GIGN: Bonjour mon ami!
“So John this is a fantastic weapon joh- no PLEASE I ASSURE YOU”
"John, Wait! I have a FAMAS!"
I subb'd for historical firearm development commentaries. I stay for non-sense like this.
My friend, I'm happy to inform you that you have just found your new favorite channel.
Historical firearm development doesn't get better than this, I wish I forgot all of this videos on this channel and could watch them all for the first time again.
how does Ian not stop from bursting into laughter throughout this entire video
I imagine he has a blooper reel for this one as long as the gun.
Well this isn't the first ridiculous gun he's shown us
This guy makes great quality videos and whether you're interested in firearms, a hobbyist or neither, you HAVE to admit ian puts together great videos.
It appears that Ian is self-isolating at Rock Island again... I suspect he has a small apartment hidden in the basement.
Wow! Your mention of the 9mm Flobert guns brought back some memories! My Dad used to have a Webley No 3 bore bolt-action garden gun (9mm) - a very handy little gun for short-range pest control. Tiny little cardboard cartridges - never seen or heard of them for the last 45 years!
As to overbore I have some old paper rimfire shotshells in my collection. Some of the " old timers" at gum shows of my youth claimed that in England small shotguns were used to collect butterflys.I remember being told that the guns were comely overboard to reduce velocity and increase pattern spread. I have no written info on this so it is worth what you pay for it. Just wanted to pass along lore from my past.
Thatd be cool
I'd heard this too, small "garden guns" like that were loaded with "Hatton" (lead dust in wax) rounds and the concussion would knock down butterflies and other insects to be collected. Could also be used on other invertebrates as well as small birds and mammals.
I too have heard this. Fascinating
@@Getpojke ah no, I'm off down a butterfly shotgun rabbit hole now arent I
In my experience butterflies and the like are pretty fragile. I find it hard to believe that you can make a loading that wouldn't destroy them overbore or not.
>>>>"rimfire pistol shotgun cartridges"
You say that phrase as if it doesn't warrant SO much explanation
Common enough objects; look up 9mm Flobert for the kind of cartridge this weapon would have used. Or .22 shot cartridge for the modern variation.
Although other calibres have faded into complete obscurity, 9mm Flobert is still fairly common in Europe in small and light garden guns. I think in most of the continent they're exempt from usual firearm legislation given their low power.
@@ApurtureSci Yep, floberts are not legally firerams in most of europe.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 They are treated the same as any other shotgun here in the UK.
@@ApurtureSci Same in Germany. Any gun with more than 7.5 Joule muzzle energy is basically treated the same. And as far as I'm aware, you can only have less than 7.5 Joule in air guns.
Gun laws often don't make sense. You can't just own or shoot a small .22 shotgun, you have to get a gun licence and shoot it at a licenced range. But once you have the licence, you can just go and buy a Haenel RS9 legit professional sniper rifle in .338 lapua magnum and it's legally just the same...
Probably the biggest iron I’ve ever seen
The bigger iron
I’ll see you in Agua Fria!
Good luck carrying it on your hip, though X)
Certainly have to walk slowly into town.
Totally underrated comment
You sir, are the Bob Ross of firearms! Love this channel! Got me interested in the world of historic firearms, so much so I 'm working on restoring a Swiss 1889/11 rifle!
This makes me think of the Pocket RPG 7 and the Pocket Barret . 50 cal and of course the Pocket A-10 WARTHOG. Have a lovely day you lovely people!
Behold the power of the pistol whip taken to the next level!!!
I'm just here to see Ian before he becomes the super deluxe sommelier in the John Wick movie that went into hiding because he refused to serve under the table, being ever the rebel and doing business to obtain a vast collection of historical guns... perhaps he should live on an island that is little more than a rock ;) a ROCK ISLAND if you will!
This is really neat.
Thank you for showing us this bit of firearms history Ian.
This looks like the sort of weapon some Mob Boss would have under his desk, preferably with a gold coat.
Until I re-read, I'm sitting here wondering who Bob Moss is...
@@dashingdave2665 The twin brother of Bob Ross I presume, with moss green afro.
Imagine someone slowly coming around a corner with this thing🤣
Cut the pie with this monstrosity
I'm from Chichester, and your pronunciation was spot on. I never knew there was a Chichester Rifle Company.
Same! Born and bred and had no idea.
“Excuse me while I whip this thing out“.
No pictures please. 😉
"Phrasing!"
Sir you a making a mockery of this dual I bid you a day sir a good day 😲
Blazing saddles reference, nice.
Well played sir!
One must seize any opportunity to slip in Mel Brooks movie quotes.
Watching from just down the road from Chichester UK and loved intro.
Or, as they call it in Massachusetts, "Chistah".
ooooh you colonials! ;)
Remind me of Helsing with the Nazi werewolf wielding a broom handle pistol with a ridiculously long barrel for some reason
at least he had modified holsters to actually carry them strapped to his leg.....this is just pure nonsense XD
Your gun looks ridiculous.
@@BOT_Phoeba hellsing ultimate abriged I presume?
Was this gun not a C96 Mauser?
@@salazzarsinus5110 It was, but the barrel was two feet long.
“Is that a pocket shotgun in your pocket, or are you REALLY happy to see me?”
Love your videos Gun Jesus you pack history and entertainment at the same time please stay safe and keep the content flowing
.......if thats a pocket shotgun, then imagine the size of the creators pants XD
Or as someone else suggested, appendix carry, the creator must have had ample room down the leg....
Is that a gun in your pocket or..... (I'm just going to leave now)
I have a revolver similar to that, obviously a Hopkins & Allen XL frame, stamped "Hinsdale" on the topstrap along with "38 Cal Rim Fire" and "Pat Mch 28 71 May27 79" as well. It has the holes in the bottom of the grip, rearmost one threaded, etc.
But, some long-ago gunsmith replaced the barrel with about a 4 1/2" hexagonal rifled .22 barrel with a heavy, dove-tailed and set-screwed rifle-style front site, sleeved the chambers to .22 LR, reduced the firing pin to where it would only hit the smaller .22 rims, and they cut off the outside of the cylinder pin, making it a little shorter than the hole, then fit a purely decorative underlug which has a little nib that fits into the recess in the cylinder pin hole and is then secured by a screw that goes into a tapped hold just back from the muzzle of the barrel.
Someone obviously went to a lot of work and made a pretty darn cool .22LR revolver. The sleeves in the cylinder are permanent and line up perfectly. There is no spitting of lead and the lockup is great. They made custom wooden grips with little .. brass? .. plate on one side for the grip screw to mount to.
I got it for next to nothing because it's obviously not original except the frame and action, and there's no telling when the thing was modified. Could have been early 20th Century, could have been a decade ago when I got it. The work just looks old so I'm thinking mid-to-late 20th C. In any case it's fun to shoot and looks great on a book case. It was nice seeing the origins of my little gun. Thanks!
Without the stock it looks like the Gun used by The Joker in Batman 1989 XD
Any long barrel revolver
@@braydenh190 yes but that one was extra long XD
Every morning i truly look forward to waking up to see a new video from you. Bravo good sir bravo
I love when he said it in British
Sounds like a Yorkshire man trying to be posh
I believe Ian rustled some jimmies with that intro.
@@johnbull1986 Not a bad thing ;)
@@johnbull1986 As an Australian, this further confirms my theory that nobody actually knows what Australians sound like. Often not even us.
No idea what that was, but it certainly wasn't British.
Thank you , Ian
I believe this type of gun was called a bicycle gun,carried under the top frame rail of a bicycle,around the Victorian era,the idea being you could “pot” a rabbit while cycling to or from work or on a ride out,courting,going to church or a meeting of the patriarchy.
Correct. Known as a 'buggy gun' in the U.S.
Thank you for starting off the video with the proper pronunciation. I'll be honest, part of the reason i watched it was to see if you got it wrong. Bravo sir!
The joker had one of those, without the stock, used to conceal-carry it his pants, cool guy
Thank you Ian!
Looks like something the Joker would use... Still a cool and interesting gun.
Also that intro made me laugh :-)
‘Looks like something the Joker would use’ said it all.
I thought the same thing, in fact it's almost as if they made it as a joke naming it a "pocket shotgun".
@@entropy6124 I didn't even think of that... Just remembered Jack Nicholson as the Joker back in the 80's...
"Those are my balloons. HE STOLE MY BALLOONS! WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY TELL ME HE HAD ONE OF THOSE...THINGS!"
@@entropy6124 :-)
I love these oddities
I wanna see Ian pronounce Chili as Chai-li now.
And while he's at it, follow through on the logic and pronounce Britain 'Brytain'.
Me reading the title: Oh look a chichester
Ian, immediately making fun of my accent: It's spelled ch-eye-chester
When I see something like this, always think they started out designing a gun and just couldn't stop, very much like those cars with overly excessive swoops, rocket imagery and wings etc. from years ago. But at least in this case the flamboyance has it's practical uses.
I recon it'd be a fun rat and crow gun on the farm :)
This is one of those firearms that looks it was designed to exploit some loophole.
I'm a bit surprised that it doesn't have a 1-7/8" barrel with a 26" thread-on extension. That way "pocket" would make sense.
With the stock also detached this could be carried in a reasonably small case.
Another good cold open from Forgotten Weapons.
Ian (correctly) anticipated all the Brits correcting his pronunciation in the comment section lol
He Ian. Another interesting lesson in fire arms from the past. 🇳🇱👍🏻🇺🇸
Last time I was this early, i got shot with a flintlock
lol. time travel sucks!
This is extremely my jam, I have a Circuit Judge already but would love to make a collection of such guns
We also know how to pronaunce "carbine" properly too 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Have you heard our American brethren pronounce "Turbine". They turn it into a religious head dress instead.
@@lostronin380 there may be some dialect somewhere in the USA that pronounces turbine as turbin, but I've never heard a dialect which didn't make that "I" sound like "eye"... Maybe if you squint, a few might sound a bit like "aye" instead, but the UK & Commonwealth have that in some places as well.
The carbine vs carbine has to do with the word's French origin (carabine), and whether it rhymes with "Vine" or "Ravine" varies depending on dialect.
Okey dokey meister.
At least we can say coupe correctly you weirdos
I'm not biting Jon, I'm happy for us to have our differences. You bunch of weirdos 😁. Seriously though, Put us some rifles to one side please dear fellow, we might need them soon old chum. 👍
Great opening.
I literally live in chichester, england.
Me too, shall we tell him we actually call it Chi? 😁
@@chrissyboy1964 up to you
Are these popular there?
@@zainasif3485 that's a crazy concept to me. In the states people treat firearms like children. With care. Lol.
@@zainasif3485 good deal. The only tourist who don't like the U.S must also dislike more food and free refills at restaurants. 😂
This is what happens when your revolver can't stop lying about how accurate it is.
Also known as the Pinocchio gun
The shotgun is pocket sized if your pocket is shotgun sized.
I would love to see a series of FW videos about the Norwich, Conn revolver manufacturing industry between 1860-90
Ah, yes, I suppose I need extended mags for my pockets.
Revolving long guns look really cool.
Sounded a little more like a South Africa accent. Or as they say, Seth Efrika.
Would be interesting to see a selection of the entire "range" of a type of gun at a certain point in history. E.G. Bottom end to high end revolvers or similar in the 1860's
Don't worry, even us brits get confused by place names, like liecestershire and Worcestershire
or even Leicestershire :-)
@@paulwheble840 see!
Jolly good show, Ian!
Every girl: "Please, please tell me that isn't a gun barrel in your trousers."
Yeah because cartoonishly long and thin is every woman's dream...
@@paulh.7833 awww ya poor thing. Point to area on the doll where your uncle touches you at night.
@@baddog5936 uh huh, or maybe you can come up with better jokes that don't out you as the creepy guy that everyone avoids. Plus, you're wife will be home late...I'm just kidding women can't stand you. Peace out loser!
Now THIS is why I follow this channel
"Go ahead, make my day"
Gah!
Imagine Ian saying Billingshurst.
Bi-lings-hur-st.
.
.
Bill-lings-hur-st.
The bigger iron
I like it. Cool looking plinker.
I think it might be too long to be a "pocket" anything
Depends on what the pocket is.
This is among the most RIDICULOUS guns I have ever seen. How can you look at that with a straight face? ;w;
that's a weird line to open on. do you think "Chicken" should be pronounced differently?
I half-expected it to holster in the removable stock.
Haha, I grew up in Chichester in the UK. Ian’s pronunciation is absolutely correct, but his accent... needs work :)
cool and unusual , thanks ian!
You do not want to hear how we pronounce Belvoir or Beauchamp.
Beaver and bowshomp. Yes i am british.
Sean Carter probably a regional variance but Beauchamp around my parts is pronounced Bee-cham
@@sadsackkvisling9694 beauchamp is french and they say bowshomp.
@@seancarter1275 Beecham. Anyone saying ''Bowshomp" is wrong.
@@seancarter1275 It's a British placename though. That's the point. We don't say 'Pah-ree' do we?
That "blast shield" would have been worth its weight in gold on Colt 1855 percussion rifles and shotguns! Great stuff again!
Uhh
The person who had this made definetly was overcompensating for something.
Well, proper ladies of the 19th century feel like short barreled revolvers are not as enjoyable
Aha aha
Terrible aim?
Gotta be honest, as an englishman, the first 8 seconds confused me. It's spelt chichester because that's how it's pronounced!!!! Big like, love all you do Ian
Who tf had pockets for that
@RocketSurgeon good point
thanks ian
It is spelled "Eye-Anne", but it's pronounced "Ee-yun".
This video increased my interest in my Taurus Circuit Judge 45/410 carbine, but now I’m flipping out over that engraved silver pistol!!!!!!
A phrase you’re looking for is “white-label goods”. That’s products produced with the intent to put your own branding on them.
You should overlay 2 images of the sight picture with each one focusing on each component of the sights. That would look really nice for the video
It definitely looks like something someone hacked together, but why
I love shotguns! I have an Nikko shadow shotgun, full 12 gauge. Made in Japan. In Ireland Belfast we need our FAC i have had my FAC for years now, Fire Arm Certificate.
I can only imagine what the scene with the Joker's gun in Tim Burton's Batman would look like if they had this bad boy