Here's the hindsight post I probably should have made for you when you started this. Server (and often Workstation) boards have a tiny computer on-board your computer, so you can both remotely manage and poweroff/on the computer. This is the IPMI system, and it provides a full (albeit incredibly basic) GPU for the system. They often also have remote keyboard video and mouse, so you can manage the server console remotely too (This is the iKVM). The on-board GPU is also exposed to the operating system underneath, so you can boot a barebones server without a discrete GPU installed, especially useful in blade or 1U server systems. This has been a standard part of servers and server motherboards since at least 2010, probably much before that. When you plug in the computer, the IPMI system will boot, using it's on-board graphics (connected to the VGA port) and USB connectors and start initializing on-board and PCIe devices, checking CPU and memory, detecting connected hard-drives and RAID arrays and the like. This is what the LED dance is, incidentally, it's the IPMI running it's (very slow, as it's not got a fast CPU yet) boot process and POSTing. You can also watch the IPMI boot process and interact with it while it happens, using PS/2 (if available) or USB and the VGA port. You can't actually start the system 'til the IPMI is booted and ready, so first poweron boots are very slow, but servers are meant to be powered on 24/7, so this initial slow first boot is accepted. Once the IPMI is done checking everything, and everything's passed checks, it starts waiting for connections on the network, or for a signal from the front panel connectors to start up the computer proper. The system isn't booted at this point, it's still powered off, so the PCIe card isn't initialized yet, hence no signal (and seemingly no POST). Chances are the IPMI had detected an issue on startup, and was trying to tell you about it on the VGA port, but you weren't watching there. :D The error message you were getting with certain (AMD?) GPUs was that the IPMI couldn't access the framebuffer of the GPU, so it can't initialize the display for the remote control system. If you disable the iKVM in the IPMI BIOS, that message will go away, though you do lose the capability to remote control the system (not that you're using it anyway) and you should then be able to use any card you like.
very well explained. a bit late...but well explained😄 With that said, i read most of the comments on the original video and people did discuss all this (although maybe in a way that was a bit less easy to digest). You can tell Dawid isn't really one for a lot of pre-planning.
Server boards from supermicro do not work with video cards from AMD. We are increasingly finding videos where people are trying to connect AMD video cards to the server, but so far nothing has worked. The processor is AMD, but the video card cannot be connected from AMD.
@@colestowing8695 We've been looking for an answer for over a month now. But so far no one knows why AMD video cards do not work on servers. We bought 3 server motherboards, and none of the AMD video cards worked.
I just use the GPU for mining sitting on my dual socket SP3 Motherboard, sorry, the name of the motherboard by SuperMicro just refuses to be remembered by my brain.@@VVP77 Anyway, the GPU works great with drivers installed, but I've never tried getting video out of it.
10:55 It's so weird that, despite their great quality stuff, beQuiet still hasn't figured a way to allow access to the front filter that doesn't require physically violating the front panel.
This video brings back all the flashbacks of my very first PC building experience with a 300mhz processor and hardware that simply would not cooperate with each other. Very relatable ; /
With the slots, it's possible that the one you had the GPU in to start was wired up to the second CPU that you didn't have installed at the time. It's common for things that use PCIe lanes to be split between the two CPUs, as far as I understand.
Yeup you're most likely right. On top of that, these workstation motherboards usually will point out in their documentation where to put a PCIe device in a particular order for that exact reason, just like with memory. So you can't just throw PCIe stuff in willy nilly like you can with consumer boards.
You really filled the bingo list of the struggles with repurposing used server hardware. Heres some things I've learned while doing so that might help others: 1. Always use the mesozoic period port for basic setup, then add all the extra hardware like pcie devices later. 2. You can use any GPU you want if you keep the onboard video enabled. Only downside is that will only get an output once windows is loaded, so you'll have to connect to the VGA port to get post information and change bios setting but that usually isnt an issue once everything is setup. Hope this helps someone with their struggles.
In my (limited) experience the IPMI has always come in dhcp mode, and if you can connect to it then you can just skip the whole VGA thing. I have an H11SSL-i and an X10SLL-F and zero monitors that support VGA.
Dual socket CPU setup has always been crappy for gaming. When you have so many CPU core count, disable SMT, and enable all 8 memory channels , of course 1 populated CPU socket. 14:10 Your CPU cannot take 3200Mhz RAM, only 2666Mhz max because you are running on Zen 1 Epyc.
It would be cool to see you try and run beam NG drive with like 50 traffic cars. Just about the only gaming scenario I could imagine actually using all those cores.
@@DIEGHOST_8 The question would be, how well does Beam NG handle NUMA systems. Once the application started going between NUMA nodes, does it start behaving strangely, or slow way down.
traffic cars are actually different to normal beam cars iirc. They're simplified. Now spawning in a bunch of cars and seeing them driving around, that would be interesting.
The IPMI IP address of the board depends on your network setup. You can get the IP address by opening your router config webpage and checking there. The board also needs to use the VGA for getting into the BIOS because it's a server board with IPMI that has a built in GPU that is usually set as primary as default settings in the BIOS and the jumper as you found out, this is standard in server hardware. The GPU also does not work on the second slot probably because of some primary GPU setting in the BIOS. Most Supermicro boards also set the bottom most full-length slot as the primary GPU by default.
Kudos for getting a precision torque driver ☺☺ ... And yeah, trying to get old server configurations going can be a real pain, since a lot expect for trained technicians to install ...
There is a list on Reddit of GPUs that supposedly play nice with Epyc systems. The problem is that if the GPU is too long it doesn’t fit in the board because of a stupid SATA port on the board that stands too high and blocks the graphics (like I showed in part 1). All the other GPUs I had that supposed should work physically wouldn’t fit in the board. 😂
@@cyberagent009 There's literally no difference and it doesn't care, and Firepro has been deprecated a long time ago, it's Radeon Pro for many years now (you can even cross-flash some GPUs with pro/non-pro vbios)
@@Gastell0 we'll I thought server grade processors are best paired with professional graphic card. Never knew about cross flashing vbios. Thanks for your response.
this feels like a flashback to early pc building...when nothing worked together, there were barely any "standards", and it was generally way more of a hassle to even just get stuff running. Now you just slap some random crap in a case and it all just plays nice
@DawidDoesTechStuff Before you run out and buy a lot of 3200 MHz memory for this system i will recommend you to read the manual again. First to be able to support 3200 MHz it have to be a revision 2.x motherboard and still then it will not run at 3200 MHz as that need Epyc 7002 cpu's and you got the Epyc 7001 model so max for this setup will be 2666 MHz. Page 31 and 32 of the manual explains this. You can also try to swap the position of jumpers JI2C1/JI2C2 so if they are enabled then try to disable then and if disabled then enable them and try the other GPU's in the system again. The jumpers there are the PCI SMB (System Management Bus) jumpers and the manual talk about improve system management for the PCI slots if they are enabled. You can find them in the jumperrow down by the sdcard. Page 44 in the Manual takls about this.
The interesting saga continues! Let's have a Part 3 shall we - updated BIOS, a more gaming suited GPU than the A2000, better RAM that is not faulty (and all 256GB of it as well) and see what happens!
I recently built a dual 7742 system in a H12-DSI-N6 and I was staring down that A2000 you had knowing it would work. It's nice to see someone suffer through what I went through more or less.
Okay, I want to address some of your frustration here. You're dealing with a server motherboard, which features IPMI, as one person already pointed out. One of key features of IPMI is KVM - basically, you can interact with a virtual display, mouse, keyboard and media over the network through IPMI. For that to work, all the video should be routed through IPMI chip, that ASPEED thing in the bottom left corner, which also mirrors it into onboard VGA port. This is the default behaviour for a server motherboard. If video gets routed through external graphics - IPMI can no longer capture video output and route it over network. Servers usually never get physical displays plugged in them at all - all they need is power and Ethernet to IPMI port.
Pro tip: Dual cpu workstation/server motherboards are always super picky about where certain PCIecards are installed due to how the PCIe lanes are divided between each CPU. On the Asus Z9PE-D8 the 7x (full size 16x) PCIe are divided between each CPU but not like how you'd imagine. Be sure to always look at the block diagram of the system to figure out how the PCIe lanes are allocated to each CPU.
You can use any GPU you want if you keep the onboard video enabled. The downside is that you will only get an output once windows is loaded(and the driver is installed), so you'll have to connect to the mesozoic period port to get post information and change bios settings but that usually isnt much of an issue once everything is setup. Hope this helps. I would love to see some benchmarks with a 7900XTX or RTX 4090.
You can find your device IP is on your network router/switch just a heads up if you are unable to get into a system to see on a OS unless the NIC isn't communicating just for future reference. I am glad you got into the bios through the VGA port I had a system I worked on that was the same way and I had no idea like you did until I randomly found a random forum post about this being a thing and I have no idea why. As for the video card, I'm not sure how your board work but it may be a bios settings you can change or you might need a bios update to try but also some vendors are known to put a white list of device id's they allow to work on their board and may even require a modified bios to even accept something else. Either way I'm happy to see you were able to post and work with it at least it was fun seeing the follow up to this.
4:16 It is actually a PXE ROM for network card installed in the system - which is likely to be an Intel one. PXE is used to boot operating systems from the network. It is actually really cool and it might be a fun video!
Exactly. It is very clear that it is a sponsorship, but by actually using and demonstrating the product, it is far, far more effective than an actual ad. No one is going to bypass it, and Be Quiet is getting outstanding value for their sponsorship.
I remember way back in the day, before multicore CPUS, having a dual CPU machine was always a dream. That sexy dual Athlon MP finally made it a reality. Still something awesome about seeing the multiple CPUs in a system.
@@raven4k998 Best I can do on the fly is a clumsy limerick: There was an odd man with two Epycs T'was a headache, but he gave no ticks He fiddled with RAM Tightened sockets and, BAM! Two videos of hijinks for our fix.
To get to the ipmi function you could have just plugged in to your router then used another computer on the same network and as long as its on the same subnet you should be able to use a tool like angry IP scanner to detect it. From there you could have configured it.
I wish i was watching this 4 months ago. Ive never yelled at my screen until this day when i saw the first video and was screaming "VGA PORT USE THE DAMN VGA"
It causes me physical pain to see that venerable monster used for gaming. That said this was entertaining so I'll forgive it. Might want to check for bios updates to see if they updated the graphics configuration and maybe flash the IPMI to the most recent as well. You might want to check the motherboard manual also, the slot you weren't getting video with might have been tied to the CPU you didn't have installed. You were also gimping the CPU's hard by only using 1 stick of ram because of how the CPU > memory worked with gen 1 Epyc.
Nice to see you doing stuff with older stuff. I have got an X99 ASRock with 6 out of 7 slot occupied with older stuff. Maybe one day I can afford your build and do an upgrade to mine.
Yet another thing he did wrong in this video. Epyc processors don't have a single chip in the center of their heatspreader like other processors might, they have chiplets spread around, so full coverage of paste is relatively important
I am so glad I always start with the minimum when building a system. I had one of these but of course on 1st boot I just had a CPU, RAM and VGA.. So I was oblivious to the fact that you HAD to actually use the VGA to begin with.... Luck favors the un-brave?
Ahh man I wish I had discovered this video earlier! I built the exact same system a couple of weeks ago, in a Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2. Even bought the mobo from the same ebay vendor, same package and ducktape lol. Build Notes: I did not use a torque wrench and it worked out fine. Buy A LOT OF THERMAL PASTE. If you ever get a H11DSi, you need a VGA monitor/adapter, as the board will default to booting the internal gpu. You have to connect the igpu, go into bios and set the perfered display output to EXTERNAL, then afterwards disable the internal gpu with a jumper on the motherboard. Bought a bunch of used server ram in bulk, worked out fine, just buy more than needed in case some are dead on arrival (i had one dead) I'm using TR4 360MM AIO's for cooling, as they are dirt cheap now and the SP3 and TR4 sockets are physically identical, mounting wise.
@@volvo09 Servers can be picky.... I've worked on older servers (90's) that wouldn't initialize an external video card - it left it to the OS to do. But I don't think that the case here. I wonder if he left the OPROM set to legacy instead of EFI for the slot the GPU got plugged into. I'm pretty sure modern consumer GPU's from AMD and Nvidia get a bit snakey in legacy mode. (Just a note - trust people like Wendell long before me - the last true server grade stuff I played with was in 2001 and so anything I remember will be veeeeeeeeery out of date)
It's pretty standard for server motherboards to require VGA connections for BIOS access. Datacenter techs have carts with VGA screens that they roll around to rack-mounted computers to work on them.
Are you having fun David. Well I am sure having fun watching all your videos. Great job on all the PC stuff, always interesting waching you, keep up the great w0rk!
But i DID told you that in the comment on the first video. I even called it as such - a mesozoic video output on the motherboard! And you can use any PCIe port for video - the problem it did not work first time is that you were booting with one CPU and the slot you installed your graphics card is connected to the second CPU which was - you know - missing!
I refuse to believe there is no way to put an awesome GPU with that. Life, uh, finds a way. Also, it would be interesting to see how you manage so much hardware in your apartment, I'm curious how many you have actually built and how many are into pieces.
Dawid, you always remind me of an exasperated but powerful wizard locked in a tower of his own creation, making things explode and gesticulating wildy out of the tower windows...and we love you for it
So about a torque wrench: it is actually not required. It is provided though to protect not the cpu from excess pressure, but those tiny screws from stripping. The way you screw in the socket for an epyc cpu (the way we do, at our company, we build lots of epyc and xeon servers) is to tighten them to a full stop (as they are designed to) in written order, and that's all
You have more patience than me Dude, I would have done my version of Riverdance on that board then thrown it out of the window, kudos to you for sticking with it.
Is it just me who goes mad when seeing Dawid tighten does screws? I mean, after 5 million tries, he has still not seen that there is an order to tighten them labeled, 1, 2 and 3.
I approve of that sponsor segment. No sudden yelling about raid shadow legends, just a piece of the current build. And one that makes sense for the people watching the video. Aaand also pretty case, yep i do consider that one really.
I don't know where that "torque-driver-for-EPYC-socket" myth is coming from, but at the place I work at, we've built well over 100 systems with the old SP3 EPYCs and I can't remember coming across a single one where tightening the screws until they go no further didn't do the trick. For the new SP5 EPYCs, we've bought a couple torque drivers, though. But not for the socket, for the cooler. And even there I'm not convinced that it's required.
i know this is a shot in the dark, but you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. i am willing to offer you 5 dollars for this incredible pc. im making an animated show and this would allow me to start the actual animation process.
I’m in love with this video ❤it reminds me of when I finished building my personal rig last year. I have the the amd Ryzen R9 5950x and added that to my dark rock pro 4 cpu cooler and dark power pro 12 1k watt. I’m missing the silent base 802 case to bring it to a final close. One you go beQuiet everything else is noisey(outside Noctua)!
7:19 There is nothing wrong with the motherboard. You just don't understand anything other than consumer hardware. I think Server Things is not for you :D
I did a similar thing with Opterons in 2014. My system is 32 cores. I actually still use the Supermicro system to this day. I'm happy to tell you that it is just as finnicky then as it is now. It's made for servers, and doing things in a cheap server way, and if you do anything outside that it freaks out and won't post.
Ok, another one with a SuperMicro motherboard here. Have it wit a 2011 v1 cpu, with a bunch of DDR3 misc ram sticks,mind you - 1333,running @1600! But,not all sunshine, sometimes it crashes....
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises I am fortunate mine is stable. If I make ANY change to the hardware configuration though, I have to be prepared to sink a few days into figuring out what voodoo I have to do in the BIOS and what jumpers I need to switch to make things work. It's a challenge!
5:50 man using servers to game seems like a great idea but it totally is not, u need all sort of manuals and propietary software for this to work like a regular pc and 9 times out of 10 nobody knows whats going on except the 10 people that designed the thing lol, this guy is a god tier tech boy to make this work
I literally use an epyc to daily drive (and game) and it's as easy as any other motherboard/CPU. Certainly no proprietary software needed. This dude's just being an idiot about it. Putting GPUs in slots connected to empty CPU sockets, calling a VGA port "Mesozoic"...
@@UnreasonableSteve sure. He’s not causing his employees to end up in the emergency room by cutting their inside thigh so badly just so they can get some time off work… not that I know of at least.
The case-mounted contact pogo pins is such an innovative idea. I really wish other case makers would adopt that. I just built in my new Fractal meshify 2 RGB, and fan wires are everywhere. It's such a pain.
It's a thing that has been done since the early 2000s nothing innovative about it, modern cases are insanely overpriced for how cheaply they are made and how bad the designs are.
I love that case!!! I wonder if they make a modular cable style power supply? I love not having extra cables laying around my case & those thumb screws are definitely doing it for me!
Just built a similar server for running a build environment. It’s an absolute beast of a machine for that. These systems are not meant for gaming, but it’s fun to try!
Dawid is taking over the tech UA-cam scene! I won’t mention a certain person/organization who gives out technology, uh, advice, but it’s also interesting to look at Dawid’s views compared to someone like Austin Evans. Dawid’s channel has almost 10x less subs, but his view counts are almost comparable to what Austin pulls in these days. And Dawid doesn’t have a dozen plus people working for him! This isn’t to pick on anyone else but to point out that Dawid is going to the moon! Million subs very soon, I think!
vga port is by design default on server as almost all servers run headless and if they have gpu they usually use it as accelerator not as display port. vga is usually used either by in rack kvm switch or crash cart for troubleshooting only. most of the remote control even os install is done using ipmi and netowork.
The Mesozoic Era is the second-to-last era of Earth's geological history, lasting from about 252 to 66 million years ago, comprising the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous Periods. It is characterized by the dominance of archosaurian reptiles, such as the dinosaurs; an abundance of gymnosperms, and ferns; a hot greenhouse climate; and the tectonic break-up of Pangaea. The Mesozoic is the middle of the three eras since complex life evolved: the Paleozoic, the Mesozoic, and the Cenozoic. The era began in the wake of the Permian-Triassic extinction event, the largest well-documented mass extinction in Earth's history, and ended with the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, another mass extinction whose victims included the non-avian dinosaurs, pterosaurs, mosasaurs, and plesiosaurs. The Mesozoic was a time of significant tectonic, climatic, and evolutionary activity.
I would strongly recommend using a grounded antistatic strap whenever you touch any computer components. You don't want to make something unreliable/flaky. It's hard enough to diagnose problems without hardware damage caused by ESD.
this has been an entertaining set of videos watching the struggle unfold before my delighted eyes and not being the one that wants to jump out a window because of it has given me a great sense of enjoyment! Thanks Dawid!
Yeah, the correct torque thing was not my experience with EPYC cpus. Those brackets are designed well for that. That's more of a thing with Intel's Xeon-s. Had a situation once where i was teaching some new guys how to disassemble and reassemble a blade and when we booted it, only half of the RAM was showing, because they were a bit too gentle and the CPU didn't make full contact. On the other hand, Xeon's can be removed for inspection along with the waterbloc/cooler, meaning you don't have to redo thermal paste every damn time, which has its benefits as well
"Dawid does Tech Stuff" more like "Dawid Does Stuff - and sometimes it works" 🤣 I love you man, a plesant change to the dry and nerdy tech channels making up most of my watched content.
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This is not a CPU for running a game. This is a CPU for running 20 instances of the same game
This is a CPU to run a CPU 🤣
Nono, that CPU is used to make the game!
This is a CPU to emulate a GPU
Right
Maybe if it had the faster ram it could run better👍
Here's the hindsight post I probably should have made for you when you started this. Server (and often Workstation) boards have a tiny computer on-board your computer, so you can both remotely manage and poweroff/on the computer. This is the IPMI system, and it provides a full (albeit incredibly basic) GPU for the system. They often also have remote keyboard video and mouse, so you can manage the server console remotely too (This is the iKVM). The on-board GPU is also exposed to the operating system underneath, so you can boot a barebones server without a discrete GPU installed, especially useful in blade or 1U server systems. This has been a standard part of servers and server motherboards since at least 2010, probably much before that.
When you plug in the computer, the IPMI system will boot, using it's on-board graphics (connected to the VGA port) and USB connectors and start initializing on-board and PCIe devices, checking CPU and memory, detecting connected hard-drives and RAID arrays and the like. This is what the LED dance is, incidentally, it's the IPMI running it's (very slow, as it's not got a fast CPU yet) boot process and POSTing. You can also watch the IPMI boot process and interact with it while it happens, using PS/2 (if available) or USB and the VGA port. You can't actually start the system 'til the IPMI is booted and ready, so first poweron boots are very slow, but servers are meant to be powered on 24/7, so this initial slow first boot is accepted.
Once the IPMI is done checking everything, and everything's passed checks, it starts waiting for connections on the network, or for a signal from the front panel connectors to start up the computer proper. The system isn't booted at this point, it's still powered off, so the PCIe card isn't initialized yet, hence no signal (and seemingly no POST). Chances are the IPMI had detected an issue on startup, and was trying to tell you about it on the VGA port, but you weren't watching there. :D
The error message you were getting with certain (AMD?) GPUs was that the IPMI couldn't access the framebuffer of the GPU, so it can't initialize the display for the remote control system. If you disable the iKVM in the IPMI BIOS, that message will go away, though you do lose the capability to remote control the system (not that you're using it anyway) and you should then be able to use any card you like.
very well explained. a bit late...but well explained😄 With that said, i read most of the comments on the original video and people did discuss all this (although maybe in a way that was a bit less easy to digest). You can tell Dawid isn't really one for a lot of pre-planning.
Server boards from supermicro do not work with video cards from AMD. We are increasingly finding videos where people are trying to connect AMD video cards to the server, but so far nothing has worked. The processor is AMD, but the video card cannot be connected from AMD.
@@VVP77 thats weird. is it driver issues you think?
@@colestowing8695 We've been looking for an answer for over a month now. But so far no one knows why AMD video cards do not work on servers. We bought 3 server motherboards, and none of the AMD video cards worked.
I just use the GPU for mining sitting on my dual socket SP3 Motherboard, sorry, the name of the motherboard by SuperMicro just refuses to be remembered by my brain.@@VVP77
Anyway, the GPU works great with drivers installed, but I've never tried getting video out of it.
10:55 It's so weird that, despite their great quality stuff, beQuiet still hasn't figured a way to allow access to the front filter that doesn't require physically violating the front panel.
Fully agree. Unnecessary potential point of failure.
@@krzych91krk anything that can fail will fail eventually, especially that front panel
@@cyphyte .... The front panel shouldn't have to be removed is the point. It would then not be a point of failure.
Shhhhhhhh
To be fair, I feel like getting the front of most cases feels like you’re ripping apart space time.
This video is an exremely accurate insight of what goes through my mind when I'm 4 hours deep into diagnosing a PC that won't collaborate
This video brings back all the flashbacks of my very first PC building experience with a 300mhz processor and hardware that simply would not cooperate with each other. Very relatable ; /
Including the sweet, sweet relief that you get when you FINALLY get the thing to happen after hours of troubleshooting😂
Glad you could relate to my suffering. 😂
This is why i went to intel, it just worked right out of the box. Im no pro when it comes to Servers so i just need something that works first time.
yeah fr, I just gave up trying to diagnose my old i3 10100 and 1050 Ti build, needed a new PC anyway, this was the perfect motivator
Ripping the graphics card out of the slot while the fans still spinning is such a gigachad move.
have you tried turning it off and on again🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998 Have you tried ripping it out and in again?
PCIe was designed to be hot plug. Not seen that done though and not something I would do.
With the slots, it's possible that the one you had the GPU in to start was wired up to the second CPU that you didn't have installed at the time. It's common for things that use PCIe lanes to be split between the two CPUs, as far as I understand.
Yeup you're most likely right. On top of that, these workstation motherboards usually will point out in their documentation where to put a PCIe device in a particular order for that exact reason, just like with memory. So you can't just throw PCIe stuff in willy nilly like you can with consumer boards.
@@TheAutumnNetwork Wow. Dawid not looking at the manual and expecting things to work without any prior knowledge? How unexpected.
@@oneblacksun Hmm.. maybe he likes his viewers to tell him what a bad boy he's been? lol
multi gpus... now dawid just needs to buy another 3 A2000s
The slots are labeled, it did belong to CPU one but I think it was CPU one slot 4 if I remember correctly.
dawid's videos are slowly becoming the ramblings of a crazy man, but it's great content, keep it up!
when they were not rumblings of a crazy man?
Its harmless and actually amusing, unlike Linus.
Yes, he does actually interesting stuff with the hardware unlike linus who doesn't care and just wants to put out some videos
yeah dawid is the best tech tuber, im not a big GN, linus or anything else fan
@@Formula7Driver heh fair
The EPYC socket screws HAVE NUMBERS FOR A REASON! And its not the engineers numbering them from most to least favorite.
have you tried turning it off and on again?
You really filled the bingo list of the struggles with repurposing used server hardware.
Heres some things I've learned while doing so that might help others:
1. Always use the mesozoic period port for basic setup, then add all the extra hardware like pcie devices later.
2. You can use any GPU you want if you keep the onboard video enabled. Only downside is that will only get an output once windows is loaded, so you'll have to connect to the VGA port to get post information and change bios setting but that usually isnt an issue once everything is setup.
Hope this helps someone with their struggles.
In my (limited) experience the IPMI has always come in dhcp mode, and if you can connect to it then you can just skip the whole VGA thing.
I have an H11SSL-i and an X10SLL-F and zero monitors that support VGA.
This is absolutely calling for a Level 1 Tech x Dawid colab
Not gonna happen, Dawid is one of the most ignorant tech UA-camr I've seen.
Even the janitorial skills of the Mighty Wendell would be powerless against the speed Dawid's mess making.
Eh, Dawid doesn't even know the difference between GB and Gb.
@@nevmiku GB means Great Britain right?
@@DawidDoesTechStuffit means Great Butt
Dual socket CPU setup has always been crappy for gaming. When you have so many CPU core count, disable SMT, and enable all 8 memory channels , of course 1 populated CPU socket. 14:10 Your CPU cannot take 3200Mhz RAM, only 2666Mhz max because you are running on Zen 1 Epyc.
so buckle your panties because it's going to be one hell of a ride✊
doesn't it automatically lower the MHZ of the ram?
@@rm25088that’s what I was thinking too. The RAM should still work
It would be cool to see you try and run beam NG drive with like 50 traffic cars. Just about the only gaming scenario I could imagine actually using all those cores.
I've seen 40 with a 7800x3d, at least 120 (which should be possible, aren't there 128 threads in this pc?)
@@DIEGHOST_8 The question would be, how well does Beam NG handle NUMA systems. Once the application started going between NUMA nodes, does it start behaving strangely, or slow way down.
That’s a good suggestion. If I remember I’ll play around with it on Monday and see.
traffic cars are actually different to normal beam cars iirc. They're simplified. Now spawning in a bunch of cars and seeing them driving around, that would be interesting.
@@abhimaanmayadam5713 you can turn that off and they run full fat, either way it's pretty demanding to have more than about a dozen.
The IPMI IP address of the board depends on your network setup. You can get the IP address by opening your router config webpage and checking there. The board also needs to use the VGA for getting into the BIOS because it's a server board with IPMI that has a built in GPU that is usually set as primary as default settings in the BIOS and the jumper as you found out, this is standard in server hardware.
The GPU also does not work on the second slot probably because of some primary GPU setting in the BIOS. Most Supermicro boards also set the bottom most full-length slot as the primary GPU by default.
Dawid: “Buckle your panties”
Me: *Firmly secures chastity belt in preparation*
Am gonna do u
@thealien After you are finished I will do you...
HaHa Funny
*Punches Orphan*
Kudos for getting a precision torque driver ☺☺ ... And yeah, trying to get old server configurations going can be a real pain, since a lot expect for trained technicians to install ...
Try updating both BIOS and IPMI. Might help with the graphics cards. Also, IPMI is a pretty neat feature.
There is a list on Reddit of GPUs that supposedly play nice with Epyc systems. The problem is that if the GPU is too long it doesn’t fit in the board because of a stupid SATA port on the board that stands too high and blocks the graphics (like I showed in part 1). All the other GPUs I had that supposed should work physically wouldn’t fit in the board. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuffuse a pci-e riser cable?
Epyc systems are meant to be paired with professional graphic cards like Nvidia Quadro or AMD firepro, not the usual Radeon / rtx gaming series.
@@cyberagent009 There's literally no difference and it doesn't care, and Firepro has been deprecated a long time ago, it's Radeon Pro for many years now (you can even cross-flash some GPUs with pro/non-pro vbios)
@@Gastell0 we'll I thought server grade processors are best paired with professional graphic card. Never knew about cross flashing vbios. Thanks for your response.
this feels like a flashback to early pc building...when nothing worked together, there were barely any "standards", and it was generally way more of a hassle to even just get stuff running. Now you just slap some random crap in a case and it all just plays nice
yup
@DawidDoesTechStuff Before you run out and buy a lot of 3200 MHz memory for this system i will recommend you to read the manual again. First to be able to support 3200 MHz it have to be a revision 2.x motherboard and still then it will not run at 3200 MHz as that need Epyc 7002 cpu's and you got the Epyc 7001 model so max for this setup will be 2666 MHz.
Page 31 and 32 of the manual explains this.
You can also try to swap the position of jumpers JI2C1/JI2C2 so if they are enabled then try to disable then and if disabled then enable them and try the other GPU's in the system again. The jumpers there are the PCI SMB (System Management Bus) jumpers and the manual talk about improve system management for the PCI slots if they are enabled.
You can find them in the jumperrow down by the sdcard. Page 44 in the Manual takls about this.
It's almost as if people don't sit down and read the entire fucking manual when they buy a motherboard
@@gamemonzster He's completely unqualified to handle this hardware. He should've read way more than just the manual.
The interesting saga continues! Let's have a Part 3 shall we - updated BIOS, a more gaming suited GPU than the A2000, better RAM that is not faulty (and all 256GB of it as well) and see what happens!
so bucket your panty's cause it's going to be one hell of a ride🤣🤣🤣
I also want such a video.
I recently built a dual 7742 system in a H12-DSI-N6 and I was staring down that A2000 you had knowing it would work. It's nice to see someone suffer through what I went through more or less.
Okay, I want to address some of your frustration here. You're dealing with a server motherboard, which features IPMI, as one person already pointed out. One of key features of IPMI is KVM - basically, you can interact with a virtual display, mouse, keyboard and media over the network through IPMI. For that to work, all the video should be routed through IPMI chip, that ASPEED thing in the bottom left corner, which also mirrors it into onboard VGA port. This is the default behaviour for a server motherboard. If video gets routed through external graphics - IPMI can no longer capture video output and route it over network. Servers usually never get physical displays plugged in them at all - all they need is power and Ethernet to IPMI port.
Pro tip: Dual cpu workstation/server motherboards are always super picky about where certain PCIecards are installed due to how the PCIe lanes are divided between each CPU. On the Asus Z9PE-D8 the 7x (full size 16x) PCIe are divided between each CPU but not like how you'd imagine. Be sure to always look at the block diagram of the system to figure out how the PCIe lanes are allocated to each CPU.
You can use any GPU you want if you keep the onboard video enabled. The downside is that you will only get an output once windows is loaded(and the driver is installed), so you'll have to connect to the mesozoic period port to get post information and change bios settings but that usually isnt much of an issue once everything is setup.
Hope this helps. I would love to see some benchmarks with a 7900XTX or RTX 4090.
You can find your device IP is on your network router/switch just a heads up if you are unable to get into a system to see on a OS unless the NIC isn't communicating just for future reference.
I am glad you got into the bios through the VGA port I had a system I worked on that was the same way and I had no idea like you did until I randomly found a random forum post about this being a thing and I have no idea why.
As for the video card, I'm not sure how your board work but it may be a bios settings you can change or you might need a bios update to try but also some vendors are known to put a white list of device id's they allow to work on their board and may even require a modified bios to even accept something else.
Either way I'm happy to see you were able to post and work with it at least it was fun seeing the follow up to this.
Dude you are by far one of the best tech reviewers on UA-cam lmao
Dawid never fail to amaze me with his crazy tech ideas. Don’t get me wrong all of his videos are genuinely funny at the same time I’m learning.
he shows you why using a thread ripper is to much headache to mess with🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998 this isn't Threadripper, it's EPYC, and that's a biiiiig difference when it comes to overall UX. - - Signed, someone who owns both.
4:16
It is actually a PXE ROM for network card installed in the system - which is likely to be an Intel one.
PXE is used to boot operating systems from the network. It is actually really cool and it might be a fun video!
You should try running Crysis entirely on the CPU using its cores as a GPU, and benchmark it against a GT710.
Crysis W
I was about to say something similar. I hope he plays with some more I think it has "potential"
I enjoy how you handle sponsorships, Dawid. There's no question either visually or through audio that it's a sponsorship bit.
Exactly. It is very clear that it is a sponsorship, but by actually using and demonstrating the product, it is far, far more effective than an actual ad. No one is going to bypass it, and Be Quiet is getting outstanding value for their sponsorship.
That case looks so nice. The versatility and cable management of the fan bracket in the front makes it pretty tempting.
not gonna lie i screamed when he hot swapped that gpu
I remember way back in the day, before multicore CPUS, having a dual CPU machine was always a dream. That sexy dual Athlon MP finally made it a reality. Still something awesome about seeing the multiple CPUs in a system.
Imagine Dawid's misadventures with Epyc being written as an actual epic poem, with Dawid in his full Dawidness reciting it.
well write it then for us all🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998 Best I can do on the fly is a clumsy limerick:
There was an odd man with two Epycs
T'was a headache, but he gave no ticks
He fiddled with RAM
Tightened sockets and, BAM!
Two videos of hijinks for our fix.
I have this case, about to buy a second for my SR3 Dark build. Best case hands down!
To get to the ipmi function you could have just plugged in to your router then used another computer on the same network and as long as its on the same subnet you should be able to use a tool like angry IP scanner to detect it. From there you could have configured it.
Absolutely love thay theres a continuation of a already great video
I don't know why, but seeing him frustrated makes my day a little better.
i concur
I wish i was watching this 4 months ago. Ive never yelled at my screen until this day when i saw the first video and was screaming "VGA PORT USE THE DAMN VGA"
Im glad for this new video, the “to be continued “ came true.
It's incredible how different PC and Server guys are.
It causes me physical pain to see that venerable monster used for gaming. That said this was entertaining so I'll forgive it. Might want to check for bios updates to see if they updated the graphics configuration and maybe flash the IPMI to the most recent as well.
You might want to check the motherboard manual also, the slot you weren't getting video with might have been tied to the CPU you didn't have installed. You were also gimping the CPU's hard by only using 1 stick of ram because of how the CPU > memory worked with gen 1 Epyc.
Nice to see you doing stuff with older stuff. I have got an X99 ASRock with 6 out of 7 slot occupied with older stuff. Maybe one day I can afford your build and do an upgrade to mine.
I have never seen Dawid actually pissed, this was hilarious! 🤣
3:04 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! You absolutely 100% MUST 'spread' the paste on those CPU's. IT IS MANDATORY!
Also you need like FIVE times more thermal paste than that. That wasnt even enough to cover 1 quarter of that CPU
Yet another thing he did wrong in this video. Epyc processors don't have a single chip in the center of their heatspreader like other processors might, they have chiplets spread around, so full coverage of paste is relatively important
I am so glad I always start with the minimum when building a system. I had one of these but of course on 1st boot I just had a CPU, RAM and VGA.. So I was oblivious to the fact that you HAD to actually use the VGA to begin with.... Luck favors the un-brave?
Not most PCs. This motherboard has an soc known as a bmc that manages the system and is connected to the vga.
16:30 You have 1/16 chance to leave not working stick of RAM in slot.
Murphy Law: Yes.
Ahh man I wish I had discovered this video earlier!
I built the exact same system a couple of weeks ago, in a Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2.
Even bought the mobo from the same ebay vendor, same package and ducktape lol.
Build Notes:
I did not use a torque wrench and it worked out fine.
Buy A LOT OF THERMAL PASTE.
If you ever get a H11DSi, you need a VGA monitor/adapter, as the board will default to booting the internal gpu.
You have to connect the igpu, go into bios and set the perfered display output to EXTERNAL, then afterwards disable the internal gpu with a jumper on the motherboard.
Bought a bunch of used server ram in bulk, worked out fine, just buy more than needed in case some are dead on arrival (i had one dead)
I'm using TR4 360MM AIO's for cooling, as they are dirt cheap now and the SP3 and TR4 sockets are physically identical, mounting wise.
YAY - the follow up video- I was bitting my nails off for this episode!!!
I was hoping he'd get it going. Looked like a nightmare.
Stinks that the board is locked to what graphics cards it will accept.
@@volvo09 Servers can be picky.... I've worked on older servers (90's) that wouldn't initialize an external video card - it left it to the OS to do. But I don't think that the case here. I wonder if he left the OPROM set to legacy instead of EFI for the slot the GPU got plugged into. I'm pretty sure modern consumer GPU's from AMD and Nvidia get a bit snakey in legacy mode. (Just a note - trust people like Wendell long before me - the last true server grade stuff I played with was in 2001 and so anything I remember will be veeeeeeeeery out of date)
You make such great content. I love watching your videos, maybe it's because of your charisma that makes it so interesting.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy them.
i love the buttons on that wrench
It's pretty standard for server motherboards to require VGA connections for BIOS access. Datacenter techs have carts with VGA screens that they roll around to rack-mounted computers to work on them.
"I hate this motherboard so much" welcome to professional level AMD.
Are you having fun David. Well I am sure having fun watching all your videos. Great job on all the PC stuff, always interesting waching you, keep up the great w0rk!
But i DID told you that in the comment on the first video. I even called it as such - a mesozoic video output on the motherboard! And you can use any PCIe port for video - the problem it did not work first time is that you were booting with one CPU and the slot you installed your graphics card is connected to the second CPU which was - you know - missing!
No way! Sorry I missed your comment. It would have spared me so much suffering if I had seen. Thanks for trying.
love this series of vids, used server hardware is cheap until you discover how much time it takes to get things working
I refuse to believe there is no way to put an awesome GPU with that. Life, uh, finds a way.
Also, it would be interesting to see how you manage so much hardware in your apartment, I'm curious how many you have actually built and how many are into pieces.
@Dark.Shingo hehe Dawid is having an office where he works from nowaday, there is a video for a year or two ago where he showed off everything!
Dawid, you always remind me of an exasperated but powerful wizard locked in a tower of his own creation, making things explode and gesticulating wildy out of the tower windows...and we love you for it
So about a torque wrench: it is actually not required. It is provided though to protect not the cpu from excess pressure, but those tiny screws from stripping. The way you screw in the socket for an epyc cpu (the way we do, at our company, we build lots of epyc and xeon servers) is to tighten them to a full stop (as they are designed to) in written order, and that's all
I have to love this video. Dawids comments through the video make it so worthwhile. Keep up the great content.
This setup is way slower than 1 Threadripper with 64 or 96 cores .... Makes no sense.
Why does it have to make sense, why not enjoy him struggling to do stupid stuff
Anna must be so proud of your acting skills! 😉😁👍
I miss green PCBs for PC parts. Green PCBs just look right to me.
You have more patience than me Dude, I would have done my version of Riverdance on that board then thrown it out of the window, kudos to you for sticking with it.
Among my favourite projects/videos from Dawid yet. The struggle to get the hardware running was both hilarious and fascinating.
Have to admire Dawid's determination!! Stick to it and get it done. :)
Dawid, I love how you combine comedy and tech. You never fail to make me laugh. Keep making great content!
Is it just me who goes mad when seeing Dawid tighten does screws? I mean, after 5 million tries, he has still not seen that there is an order to tighten them labeled, 1, 2 and 3.
I approve of that sponsor segment. No sudden yelling about raid shadow legends, just a piece of the current build. And one that makes sense for the people watching the video. Aaand also pretty case, yep i do consider that one really.
Finally! Been a week. Glad to see you finished the video. I was curious about this
Finally I can use 32 Bit Windows optimally
128 single instances of windows 7VM
s?
I can feel how you feel and the frustration it can cause. A lot of information on the net is so incomplete or outright wrong.
I don't know where that "torque-driver-for-EPYC-socket" myth is coming from, but at the place I work at, we've built well over 100 systems with the old SP3 EPYCs and I can't remember coming across a single one where tightening the screws until they go no further didn't do the trick. For the new SP5 EPYCs, we've bought a couple torque drivers, though. But not for the socket, for the cooler. And even there I'm not convinced that it's required.
I love that you put as much thermal paste on a Epyc CPU as you would on a i3 from the last decade :)
i know this is a shot in the dark, but you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. i am willing to offer you 5 dollars for this incredible pc. im making an animated show and this would allow me to start the actual animation process.
You don’t need this pc to start animating. Just start animating on a bad computer and buy a better pc if there’s interest
Reminds me of the crazy things we used to do to get junk computer parts to fit together to form a usable system back in the late 90's with my friends.
I think BeQuiet got their money worth:)
Has someone been watching an Asian getting their money worth? Hahahahaha
I’m in love with this video ❤it reminds me of when I finished building my personal rig last year. I have the the amd Ryzen R9 5950x and added that to my dark rock pro 4 cpu cooler and dark power pro 12 1k watt. I’m missing the silent base 802 case to bring it to a final close. One you go beQuiet everything else is noisey(outside Noctua)!
7:19 There is nothing wrong with the motherboard. You just don't understand anything other than consumer hardware. I think Server Things is not for you :D
I did a similar thing with Opterons in 2014. My system is 32 cores. I actually still use the Supermicro system to this day. I'm happy to tell you that it is just as finnicky then as it is now. It's made for servers, and doing things in a cheap server way, and if you do anything outside that it freaks out and won't post.
Ok, another one with a SuperMicro motherboard here.
Have it wit a 2011 v1 cpu, with a bunch of DDR3 misc ram sticks,mind you - 1333,running @1600!
But,not all sunshine, sometimes it crashes....
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises I am fortunate mine is stable. If I make ANY change to the hardware configuration though, I have to be prepared to sink a few days into figuring out what voodoo I have to do in the BIOS and what jumpers I need to switch to make things work. It's a challenge!
5:50 man using servers to game seems like a great idea but it totally is not, u need all sort of manuals and propietary software for this to work like a regular pc and 9 times out of 10 nobody knows whats going on except the 10 people that designed the thing lol, this guy is a god tier tech boy to make this work
Nah its just because he is able to afford to experiment with other components
I literally use an epyc to daily drive (and game) and it's as easy as any other motherboard/CPU. Certainly no proprietary software needed. This dude's just being an idiot about it. Putting GPUs in slots connected to empty CPU sockets, calling a VGA port "Mesozoic"...
Aah, useful bit of info Dawid about booting and the VGA port, Thank You.
You’re the only tech guy I trust. Unlike the psychopath with the security blanket…
Get help
You watched this and *trust* was what you gleaned from it?
@@UnreasonableSteve sure. He’s not causing his employees to end up in the emergency room by cutting their inside thigh so badly just so they can get some time off work… not that I know of at least.
The case-mounted contact pogo pins is such an innovative idea. I really wish other case makers would adopt that. I just built in my new Fractal meshify 2 RGB, and fan wires are everywhere. It's such a pain.
It's a thing that has been done since the early 2000s nothing innovative about it, modern cases are insanely overpriced for how cheaply they are made and how bad the designs are.
@@xfy123 v agree
On behalf of all gamers, I say; WHY DIDNT DAWID BENCHMARK MINECRAFT?!?!
I love that case!!!
I wonder if they make a modular cable style power supply? I love not having extra cables laying around my case & those thumb screws are definitely doing it for me!
Just built a similar server for running a build environment. It’s an absolute beast of a machine for that. These systems are not meant for gaming, but it’s fun to try!
Loved this... David is the most underrated texh UA-camr out there
Dawid is taking over the tech UA-cam scene! I won’t mention a certain person/organization who gives out technology, uh, advice, but it’s also interesting to look at Dawid’s views compared to someone like Austin Evans. Dawid’s channel has almost 10x less subs, but his view counts are almost comparable to what Austin pulls in these days. And Dawid doesn’t have a dozen plus people working for him!
This isn’t to pick on anyone else but to point out that Dawid is going to the moon! Million subs very soon, I think!
vga port is by design default on server as almost all servers run headless and if they have gpu they usually use it as accelerator not as display port. vga is usually used either by in rack kvm switch or crash cart for troubleshooting only. most of the remote control even os install is done using ipmi and netowork.
Dude your videos are hilarous always looking forward to seeing them. keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍👍
The Mesozoic Era is the second-to-last era of Earth's geological history, lasting from about 252 to 66 million years ago, comprising the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous Periods. It is characterized by the dominance of archosaurian reptiles, such as the dinosaurs; an abundance of gymnosperms, and ferns; a hot greenhouse climate; and the tectonic break-up of Pangaea. The Mesozoic is the middle of the three eras since complex life evolved: the Paleozoic, the Mesozoic, and the Cenozoic. The era began in the wake of the Permian-Triassic extinction event, the largest well-documented mass extinction in Earth's history, and ended with the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, another mass extinction whose victims included the non-avian dinosaurs, pterosaurs, mosasaurs, and plesiosaurs. The Mesozoic was a time of significant tectonic, climatic, and evolutionary activity.
So indeed certainly not when the vga connector was developed
The sight of Dawid actually losing his shit around 7:40 is pricesless. Thanks again for showing us that you're actually human.
vga is old but even latest servers still use vga port for video output. it's usually powered by the aspeed chip (BMC/IPMI)
I would strongly recommend using a grounded antistatic strap whenever you touch any computer components. You don't want to make something unreliable/flaky. It's hard enough to diagnose problems without hardware damage caused by ESD.
Been watching for a while, and this has got to be one of Dawid's better rage rants. I love it
*Glad you managed to get it sorted*
Looked like complete torture!
this has been an entertaining set of videos watching the struggle unfold before my delighted eyes and not being the one that wants to jump out a window because of it has given me a great sense of enjoyment! Thanks Dawid!
Please do more Dawid Struggles With Enterprise Hardware videos, they are very funny.
I think I like this side of Dawid, the slow decent into madness and rage lol
Yeah, the correct torque thing was not my experience with EPYC cpus. Those brackets are designed well for that.
That's more of a thing with Intel's Xeon-s.
Had a situation once where i was teaching some new guys how to disassemble and reassemble a blade and when we booted it, only half of the RAM was showing, because they were a bit too gentle and the CPU didn't make full contact.
On the other hand, Xeon's can be removed for inspection along with the waterbloc/cooler, meaning you don't have to redo thermal paste every damn time, which has its benefits as well
"Dawid does Tech Stuff" more like "Dawid Does Stuff - and sometimes it works" 🤣
I love you man, a plesant change to the dry and nerdy tech channels making up most of my watched content.