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if you checkout kuro games previous game's story, it appears they are applying the same formula to wuwa's story. Where it would all make sense in the later chapters. Although the start really should not have been screwed by the non sensical feedback. Zhezhi's trailer explain the whole conundrum devs listening to players thing.
@@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451 They seem to try to mirror it. In PGR, they started the game fighting a main antagonist -but-not-really (Alpha)just like what he suggested Assassin's Creed Odyssey style. And while it's slow and meandering there as well just like Arknights, it's a necessary build-up and better written imo than WuWa. PGR loves, and I mean insanely loves foreshadowing with characters or even mere phrases to refer to a future moment that'll come years after that chapter was released. And as I've observed that they do it in WuWa as well (e.g. the butterfly appearing is the shorekeeper yet to be introduced) which means judging it for the first few patches won't do it justice. That's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful for Wuthering Waves. And knowing that the devs actually truly listen and most of the time a bit too much. Is comforting. And yeah. I hope the devs only listen to non-creative feedback from now on. They should stick to their creative vision. If the devs are Zhezhi then we're bound to see a better future moving forward just like her in her companion quest (which is pure cinema btw).
@@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451why would you care if these kurobots are made up of "ex-genshin players". Right now theyre shilling for kuro so why bother bringing up what they played before? Its such a stupid mentality to suite your genshin player = bad narrative.
I think, from a purely story perspective, genshin and hsr do a better job making each character feel unique and likeable and that plays a huge part is the story. Like the story could be super generic and poorly paces but slap in a raiden shogun and suddenly the story has a redeeming factor. Imo i rlly like the characters in wuwa for their gameplay but their story personality is mostly non-existent. I especially felt that shorekeeper was a huge problem cuz all she was is the story is “i’ll die for you rover” “you’re amazing rover” “you taught me this song rover”, like these characters dont exist outside of rover’s vicinity. The characters all throw themselves at rover and its like at some point they all just feel like ai.
not only Shorekeeper bro. i think all the cast are glazing on Rover for some reason lol, but who cares right, all wuwa player love the skip button anyway lmao
A lot of Genshin fans complain about Raiden story though. Especially how it ended. Then; there's a lot of peeps complaining that some of the interesting characters doesn't get enough attention. If WuWa can learn to be different from how other gacha stories are executed, then the story and characters has a chance to be great. I haven't seen or heard many gacha storylines do that; sadly...
Don't get me started on how about every character in the main cast of Honkai Impact 3rd have a hivemind when it comes to moral compass, and character interactions. You can replace them with cardboard boxes during Kolosten arc, and nothing will change💀
@@JustEverton Yes and tell the Genshin fandom about the Inazuma Archon quest being the worst and they would 90% agree on you as it is easily the worst one...but to completely ignore the other is nitpick at best because while yes the archon quest sucks. The story quests are still good, especially Raiden which is odd...because she only complains about the First Story quest but once the second got released, yeah those criticisms died out quickly as it turns out the first story quest added a lot to her second story quest. Also here is the thing about Genshin, a reminder that it has tons of characters through the ages so yea at least we can excuse that for why some characters don't get enough attention and even then they still got some attention through events while WuWa is still new...so they have less character and less an excuse on why they disappear once the next patch comes out. Also, I think the WuWa story got handicapped from the moment they turn everyone in the game into an ungrateful asshole which sure can work but the problem...everyone hates you for sometimes no reason, yes I am talking about nearly everyone, quest givers, NPC, characters. So yeah, once they realize how much of a mistake they made, they pretty much were forced to course correct....maybe too much as now everyone simps for Rover. In terms of Honkai Impact 3rd....really that is just low man, dragging in another game from the stock of 'criticizing' is low man, also you do realize it is the same game as Kiana, Mei and Bronya...alongside the Flame Chaser argue the most interesting groups of characters in the game.
@@royalhistorian5109 Dawg; The trio of Honkai isn't anything special. Their execution was below average, their connection with each other is rather weak (they barely even got to spend any time with each other before Mei betrayed the group and joined WS), none of them doesn't even have a strong connection with their captain. The story wants us to believe that Himeko taught her comrades how to be strong and many life lessons, but they didn't even go on missions with each other on-screen💀. The Flame Chasers only get to tell their story through Mei's perspective... They should have a whole manga or VN dedicated to them. All their story is just tablets of info-dumping, useless monologuing with a pink elf, and then we discovered that the same pink elf is Mary Sue honkai Jesus, and she's the reason why CE is on easymode to defeat Honkai for good. Honkai is just full of superficial, empty writing, just like the start of WuWa story. The reason I bring up Honkai and Hoyo stories is because most of the peeps that's hating on WuWa are Hoyo superfans that gassin up Hoyo's mid writing. It's very hypocritical of y'all; imo.
@@-Subhash- What you don't like about the story? Let me guess; the flirting from the wives? Even though one of Frieren's main focuses is a human trying his hardest to show a naive elf love? I also have another question: Which gacha stories do you think is genuinely good?
WW plot be like "hey, traveler, hello, you are so special, let's go help us defeat the uninteresting impersonal evil, oh, traveler, you are so special, I'm a sweet girl and I love you!" It's a shame that a game with such great potential has a third-rate isekai plot.
Agreed, ppl be saying that Genshin's story is for the kids and they overexplain, which is absolutely true. But wuwa managed to outdo it. The sidekicks lead us by the hand through every main quest. And the quests are super generic and boring most of the time, the characters are bland. What I expected to be an exciting dark story with diverse, complex characters turned out to be some weird bland harem simulator with waifus who have no real personalities, just a bad imitation of them.
@whiskeyearned1543 that's an odd opinion. Some of the best stories in gaming are from gacha games, they're usually just buried in a lot of shit and their quality is inconsistent.
its so sad because the shitty story is one of the main things that pushes me away from the game. i understand that its a gacha game and im going into that not expecting too much but dawg... its so ass. and a lot of the voice acting doesnt help either its just super cringy for the most part along with every character simping for the mc lmao (not saying genshin story is any better but like damn man wuwa gotta be worst story wise)
It's crazy how people defend Wuwa's storytelling while calling Genshin's suckass. I think the greatest evidence of a storytelling success is when your community starts spewing theories like crazy in the first month of the series and very passionate about the lore. Look at One Piece's lore community, everyday they went batshit crazy with all theories and lore discussion. Even i have seen A LOT of lore videos from Elden Ring fandom and Warhammer 40k fandom to the point one of WH cc still talks about the series since 9 years ago! Wuwa fandom lacks this and it shows. It's been 4 versions out, and heck their story is still underwhelming contrary to the gold that's PGR! Look at the amount of lore videos out in Genshin's first month, all those theories of upside down teyvat, sussy paimon, archons link to celestia, traveler origins, harbingers theories... Wuwa community should rly start pushing kuro to write better stories, they can do it in PGR so why not Wuwa their cashcow? Also lmao that 90% becomes some sort of internal joke huh Kuro: We rewrote 90% of the story! You: You can take out the 90% of chapter 1 and...it changes nothing!
I mean; all them theories ain't saving the mid story of Genshin. I do agree that WuWa story is greatly lacking right now, but we need to give it some time to cook. Most gacha storylines are abysmal from the start. I haven't heard anybody ever say that a gacha story was good from start-to-finish. It seem like this will continue until gacha writers start truly caring about the story instead of the money and what CN fans want...
@@JustEverton Gacha games will never be fully good. The stories are there to sell characters first and foremost, which is why Genshin's story is so far structured the best. When it comes to Genshin, hyv clearly wrote the story first, designed the characters second and then decided when banners will be. With both WuWa and HSR it feels like they simply go "Oh, this character has a banner in this patch, let's see how we can squeeze them into a story that clearly doesn't need them" As clearly pointed out in the video, you can NOT rewrite 90% of the story after you've already designed the world and the characters and expected it to still be a good story, it just proves that the story was never the focus. Which is fine, WuWa does plenty things better than both GI, HSR and ZZZ, but when it comes to the story, it's such a huge step down from even PGR that it's baffling that the same company worked on it. This is what happens when you try too hard to replicate aspects of another game without accounting for the reason why it worked there in the first place and the years of work and care that goes into it.
Genshin storytelling is bad, but at least after all that shit filler and unnecesary yapping there is a decent story + a good plot with khaenria dainsleif etc Wuwa storytelling is ass, characters are ass, story is ass, has a lot of unnecesary yapping and filler, no good plot, episodic quest Its the definition of 0/10 story on gacha industry, and thats ignoring the harem and rover simping
@@Tilin2461 what shit filler? Also gacha games CAN HAVE GOOD STORIES. Look at FGO and GBF. And look whatever slop western game stories have became now. Genshin has WAY BETTER stories and narration than the slop thats Veilguard and Dustborn combined 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
11:30 Unexpected stray shot at the game aside; Tetsuya Nomura didn't write NEO: The World Ends With You. That was Akiko Ishibashi and I'm a bit confused on where your assumption even originates from.
Absolutely my bad! He produced the game, not wrote it. I should have double checked that. Maybe I thought he wrote it because he was like, THE name attached to the marketing. Lol
@@StrayMaverick you not alone, sometimes is hard to pin point what a producer does, i mean i got flag when critic the direction 7 remake took and all jump on me was the other guy .... but stil, when see Nomura in big letter in credits, is a bad omen
1.4 and wuwa still have it's problem in the story, what improve is in the presentation, but the writing still baffled me, Character have No interaction with other people (other than the MC) and they kept adding up new complicated terms that not really play anything for the narrative , the exposition is just there to just filling up times
Kuro painted themselves in bad spot beside the story. They now have to design their maps around wall-running and flying (wuwa 2.0) capabilities they gave to their dopamine-deprived user base. Imagine designing a breath taking environment only for your players to swoosh right through them. Like what they do with the stories.
@@jiffonbuffo *> They now have to design their maps around wall-running and flying (wuwa 2.0) capabilities they gave to their dopamine-deprived user base. Imagine designing a breath taking environment only for your players to swoosh right through them* That's not how it works tho. For many, including me, flying was what made open-world exploration fun again. I legit almost stopped using teleport waypoints and just flew my way to the destination from where i currently am, and that adds a lot of organic exploration elements, because i actually saw a lot more of the map this way. Where in Genshin i'd just teleport to the closest waypoint and always do the same exact trip from it to the desired destination, in WuWa 2.0 my route was always different and that actually helped me find a lot more spots of interest. Unlike my experience with Genshin, it never even felt like i was purposefully exploring, it was just that all of the flying around the map i did somehow brought me to almost 100% exploration. The other point about flying is that it actually allows you to apprerciate the scenery even more, from much more angles and points that would not be possible to reach without flying. And the last point is that flying is just way more fun and engaging mechanically than just running. I've spent hours flying around Rinascita, just admiring the scenery and having fun with controlling the flight (which is seriously fun, as it has great implementation, not clunky at all, feels smooth and dynamic, you're always on the move, you have stuff like inertia and even gravity to keep in mind, and you don't feel cockblocked by some BS mechanics or long recharge timers or whatever, almost 10/10 for the mechanical execution). This gadget was quite literally one of the best things that 2.0 brought and i'm genuinely so happy that it was added in the game. And don't even get me started on the wall running. I still have PTSD from all of the slow and painfully boring wall climbing i had to do in Genshin. How can someone defend this is beyond me. Literal hours of my life wasted just climbing, and once again, it sometimes deterred me from exploring more, because the climb is painful and long, and i don't even know if there's even something of interest up there to begin with. Climbing for several minutes just to find out that it was for literally nothing sucked. Slow ass climbing and running in Genshin were always my biggest pet peeves about exploration in this game, the only saving grace was my exploration team with C1 Yelan, Kazuha and an another anemo for the double anemo resonance buff. And even then it felt bad and really restrictive, and to even get that somewhat bearable experience, you'd need to pull three limited 5*s.
i dont get the hate comments i feel like this video is just someone taking the thoughts out of my head and putting them on the screen even when i went into a wuwa discord and asked some questions about the main story i was more or less told it wasnt worth bothering with it 💀
As a guy who exclusively plays Wuwa... The beginning of the Wuwa's story is what DC did when it tried to catch up to Marvel's gigantic headstart. That Wuwa battle pose reminded me so much about the DC's JL pose that I literally guffawed. And since you've not gone beyond 1.1 here, I'll kind of warn you that 1.2 is really jarring. This is because from all the rushed catching up Kuro seems to be trying, 1.2 literally comes to a screeching halt. However, post Mt. Firmament they've seemingly switched towards a more 'character-centric' narrative which they seem to carry out quite effectively until they go off the rails on the harem-protagonist route. e.g. in Changli's story, it is actually pretty well-done for a gacha game AND well told for the medium. You derive a pretty interesting dynamic between her and Rover and...WHOA she starts flirting with him/her in 1.2. That is just...not done. 1.3. would've been perfect in my eyes if Shorekeeper was exclusive with her fangirling over Rover. Interesting (albeit not novel) viewpoints on logic and emotions was brought up and also questions on free-will and what not. Very reliable topics, that are difficult to mess up - and they did it pretty well for a gacha game tbh. The 'love story' between Rover and Shorekeeper would also have been pretty okay in my eyes as well - if we didn't have Yangyang, Changli, Yinlin doing those doe eyes towards Rover already. And I always say, let Kuro cook. Because they fucking cook well. They listen, they promise - and they actually deliver. But when they start listening to people who say that the story is goddamn flawless...i.e. when they listen to people who like eating shit - you can't really blame Kuro for cooking shit. Okay rant over. I don't know you, nor have watched any of your other videos. But I do hope more people come out and actually raise their standards so that Genshin or even HSR isn't considered as pinnacles of storytelling when they are nothing but yapfests. Kuro needs to be much better and them not being able to meet even Genshin standards is something I believe to be extremely appalling.
After watching the vid, and having played both games, I still cannot fathom why wuwa glazers call gi's storytelling a yapfest, when literally, they're the same if not worst + harem fanservice. Honest to god.
I'm literally in the middle of Shore Keeper's story bc I needed to take a break. Wuwa's story is so buns. This story has added negative aura to Shorekeeper. Every character is a glazer and a gooner for the Rover. They use 3 paragraphs of vocabulary words when a better writer could've done it in a sentence. Such a nice world and such a terrorist attack of storytelling
came back here after playing thru the new story, it's so bad. a lot of glazing and info dumping. no amount of 21:9 aspect ratio cutscenes could save the writing.
I actually thought for character designs, characters like Changli were a step in the right direction, esp. with a better use of color templates. I don't think the initial cast's art design is as bad as you said in the video, but I do think they also improving with each patch.
@@Neoorooon I do agree currently, more effort in art direction is being put into new females rather than males. Understandably, it is "generally easier" to earn higher sales for females compared to males, so I can somewhat understand their dev's strategy. I think things may get more "balanced" in a couple more patches, we'll see.
Agreed. Unique color combinations and color pallets give a cool look to the character design, as I thought for Changli and Camellya. I do see a heavy usage of whites and grays in character color pallets and hope to see some variety in color mixing. I like the black and red or black and blue color combination.
After playing their PGR wuwa really disappointed me with their writing, character and world design, and especially music. wuwa started to give what I thought it would only in 1.3. Black shores is amazing so far. When it isnt trying to be Genshin it gets better.
Im cracking up at just with how many people in the comments are like “I was agreeing with you, until you brought up Genshin. Now I can’t agree anymore” PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!
they want to satisfy the incels so much they turned their characters into soulless trash, shorekeeper the most trash gacha game character I've seen in a while her entire existence is basically to please the incels with how shallow her personality is, you're supposed to compete with genshin but instead you made their stories and characters looks like a masterpiece, so shit
@@WetSquirrel at the very least, Genshin still has Sumeru and Fontaine going for it. Here's hoping WuWa only gets better as time passes by, unlike Genshin that became peak w/ Sumeru and Fontaine and suddenly became dogshit bcs of Natlan (Obligatory "Fuck Da Wei" btw)
These two games need to exist in the gatcha game space because Wuthering Waves will push Hoyoverse to make required upgrades in the game as well it will also make it so that Wuthering Waves keep improving the overall game so that they can survive in the space.
I recentrly tried WuWa after starting my first Gacha Game (ZZZ) and I just can't find myself getting into it. Maybe ZZZ is the problem because the animations and the cast just oozes with personality. One thing I have to admit though is that I went at it hesitantly since Open World Games (in that scale) often scare me away.
Compared to WW, one of ZZZ's strength is that character interact with each other alot regardless of faction. That's why IMO the setting of ZZZ's world pops out more personality compared to WW's
It's so strange for me, i waited patiently for ZZZ for like 2 years and then started playing from a launch day, and then later desided to play WW like 3 month after its launch, and now i kinda debate myself on droping ZZZ because of lack of time and game being booring, and especially if Arknights Endfield is going to release in the middle of next year and end up be a good game, then ZZZ going to get sacked for me if its not going to pick its game up, it's boring but i can't explain why, yes it's pretty, amazingly animated and directed, but, its like the world and story is made in a way that nothing ever happens in the end, its like endless filler episode, no progress or it's painfully minimal. Iam going to hope that a hyped 1.4 patch story that going to release this week, is going to progress story satisfyingly enough from a stale place it is now. And from that going to decide if i continue playing.
As time consuming and deadbrain Open World mechanics are them being interwoven with Gacha mechanics makes them so much worse. Stick with ZZZ. And don't play more than a Gacha at any given time. They'll take over most of your free time and none will be left for playing "real" games and your other hobbies.
I implore people in the comments to please have better standards for yourself in regards to storytelling. Expecting and being ok with a game's intro being mediocre or 'at least better than x-that-i-don't-like' isn't something y'all should be proud of. It's ok to not like the story or parts of it that aren't done well and still like the game. Even if Kuro games is the scrappy underdog, it's still a game/product designed to take your time and money. Conceding that it doesn't matter if WuWa fails it's intro or not because you're used to stories that arbitrarily take basically years to get good is kind of sad. "Other Gacha games do the same thing!" is not the defense y'all think it is.
Buddy have it ever come to you guys that people just think it was just not ok? I mean the story was kinda bloated with terms at first but it was ok to follow, the gameplay kept people interested enough so people could find scar, besides some bloated terms i think the pacing the gameplay and the world was ok, crowless fight, up to the first echo, metting jihsi's hologram, reaching jinzhou, metting baizhi and dreamless was really not that dificult to follow, i my opinion things only got kinda complicated when we needed to solve jinhsi's puzzle but after meeting scar it was more interesting. Sure it wasnt anything impressive but its not like its bad either bro
@@marceloaugusto2335 Not once did I say it was complicated or difficult to follow; I watched everything and could follow the story perfectly fine based on what they were trying to do but, as the video mentions, the emotional beats, which the game absolutely is 'trying' to land, fall on their face because of how the writing fails to build any genuine rapport within its cast. For example, when Yangyang offers to sacrifice herself to stay behind at the end of Act VI, were you in anyway concerned for her safety, be it because you liked the character or because you felt that she was in any actual danger in the first place? When Rover has visions of all of the friends they've made in the past, like, 3 days and unlocks the havoc mode against dreamless, did you actually feel anything other than 'cool wing!' when it flashed to characters that, quite literally, did not exist in the story until 5 minutes ago? Let me reframe it; is there any way you would 'recommend' the story of Wuthering Waves on its own merits, not the commonly stated 'it's better than Genshin's 1.0!' argument people slide into? 'Good Enough' (which I don't even really think it is) is not a shield from criticism, which is the point of the video. The gameplay did the hard carrying here, that much we can fully agree on.
@@Renteka-Bond So your problem is with emotional attachment to the characters then, alright. And i only said it was relatively easy to follow because alot of people even in this video's comments are pointing that it was hard paying attention to the flow of the story which i disagree but anyway You are right that the game on its 1.0 version dont have much drama in the narrative, but the thing is it doesnt have to have it... I mean for the first few hours you are only expected to understand the basics of how things work lore wise and gameplay wise. There is a argument to be made when it comes to act 6, since act 1 to 5 where pratically only presenting characters you are going to know latter. But the thing is that alot of its narrative works with the rule of cool, which means cools scenes, cool fights and somewhat of a fast pace, at least for acts 5 and 6. And this works pretty well for most people, i mean any stream you watch even most recent one like Gigguk they do agree the plot is entretaining since there is so much happening, therefore there is no drama But regarding your points on the trials of the game to build emotinal connection i will have to disagree to a certain level, i do think yangyang offering to stay behind, not sacrifice itself since she expects you and jiyan defeat thernodian she just put her life on line so that you have a reason to fight seriously narrative wise, i personally felt somewhat compelled because she and the other girls where in fact the only people you meet since you wake up in Solaris-3 and also the people who were the closest to you, and i can also have enough empathy to know Rover must have definely felt that since by now they do be the people he/her trust the most which made sense I will however agree that the scene where Rover turns Havoc, there were some characters that were unecessary, but still i can somewhat understand, take X-men origins Wolwerine for example after Logan get out of the facility that gave him his adamantium claws he meet a couple of old people for just a few days, or hours i dont remember exactly, but when they are killed it's already enough to make him feel very sad and he isnt even amnesiatic like Rover, so i can understand where Rover is coming from. Again alot of things in 1.0 that are not strickly gameplay or lore dump work by rule of cool instead of drama, but they do work for most people atleast basead on live streams and online reactions overall I can also understand why some people like you and other can be dissatisfied since 1.0 seemed like a already complete story or arc by itself and since there was alot of characters that were not developed properly(Yuan Wu) or plainly didnt ever appear(Calcharo, Danjin etc) it can feel like wasted pontential since it could have been greater and yes i also agree with that they could have holded Dreamless fight a patch or two, but it was still a introductory patch and in my opinion it managed to stabilish that part of the world, some groups and their dynamics, and the overall plot progression that is discovering who are you, if you are the hero from before, or maybe not? And what does all these groups want with you Summarizing i think it was a good introduction overall, it might have been i bit too much for some, other think it wasted potential but in my opinion, and alot of other it seems by the live streams, it managed to be a entretaining introduction And anwsering your question: Yes i would recommend because aside from the initial dialogues, and i've read much worse manhwas and manhuas to be fair, it has good potential and it was entretaining. A good way to be sure for someone is to just watch the dialogues and cutscenes of 1.0 in youtube, without playing the game, and figuring it out for themselves.
@@Sardo12121 I don't, lol. Me thinking Wuwa has a shitty first act has nothing to do with MHY, especially since I think they suck too. At least try to defend WuWa on its own merits.
@@marceloaugusto2335 I understand that rule of cool is enough for some people, which, fair enough for them. I personally don't, though, especially in regards to as a defense. I think it's fine to like it anyway because you think it's cool, but I think liking it and thinking it has a particular level of quality are 2 different things; to clarify, this would be saying it's fine that it doesn't hit the mark because it looked cool, which is Starter WuWa 's saving point. My issue isn't that it doesn't have drama, it's that it tries to act like it does when it doesn't. The aforementioned Yangyang sacrifice scene is an example of the story attempting to have weight both without earning it and with the meta knowledge that they won't actually kill her this early, which is why, to me, it fails. It tried to have its cake and eat it too without actually creating the batter. Edit: Another example of attempts at Drama is the lauded first Scar scene. Scar shows up, kidnaps Yangyang and tries to get you (Rover and the Player) to be suspicious of Jinzhou, except at this point in the story, every character 'except' the members of his organization has been nothing but nice to you. The attempt at creating intrigue or doubt in the city falls almost completely flat (the child backstory you get is interesting) because nothing you've actually experienced has given you a valid reason to cast any doubt on the people who have never done a single bad thing to you by this point.
The number of terms that were shoved in the FIRST act made me feel like I had to learn the whole history of China in just 5 minutes, it didn't help that said terms were served by what seemed to be a robot acting as a human, those poor VA's were done dirty, although I hear that redubs were done, wonder how it is this time
It's not a cultural problem, as a Chinese, I also have no clue what those characters are talking about. And I saw most Chinese players are headaches about those massive new concept words.😂
This! So far they've improved a lot even in the current filler festival quest. I also disagree with some of what Mav mentioned. Like calling Changli's appearance unwarranted just to sell a new character when she was foreshadowed in the earlier acts. Doing her story quests even ties to that fact. Also, funny that he complained about Changli but didn't mention Shenhe. Her appearance in the appearance of the water monster (forgot the name) is a blatant advertisement. With that being said, I'm hopeful for the future. Gacha stories, especially in the beginning are often slow and meandering. And I'd take a bad start than a bad fundamental plot. Cause as much as I love Genshin's lore and some of the story, the issue with its story-telling is foundational. While I've already seen WuWa improve on that.
@ehe9519 theres no biased here in this channel buddy,he has criticized hoyo games for a while,but sure go ahead and dismiss every criticism towards ur beloved wuwa just because hes what you cornballs call a "tourist"
I’m back again lmao. Please do one of these now that Natlan AQ quest is over. I’m soooo curious to hear your thoughts on it. Also now that 2.0 WuWa has started would love another WuWa vid about Renacita once it’s over too.
Although I definitely enjoy the combat and mobility features in WuWa, it has shallow storytelling, dialogues, and characterization. I agree with what you said about the characters feeling like templates or robots, acting too cool or cute or flirty, instead of having interesting personality and substance. It's the main reason i can't fully immerse in the WuWa world. If the plot is weak, why would I be motivated to fight and explore? I keep playing it, because it's a relatively new game that's still building its lore and characters. But for now, honestly, it feels like a chore. I hope it gets better.
The problem when you already lost people that badly it’s very hard to get back their interest I had hard time caring as I cared about nothing that happend before.
I thought i was the only ones who got pissed while playing the story because it was super bad. So far i only did act 1 and it starts something then goes different route. Wtf just happened
This is a terrible “review” that just takes the most negative possible perspective throughout. By this logic, almost every gacha game is uniquely terrible You’ve got demonstrably false claims too. Take 27:40 - the Jue incident was introduced all the way back in Act 4, and we’ve building up to finding out why So it’s pretty obvious this “reviewer” went into this with a blatant agenda, either to get upvotes from haters of the game or to gain attention from stirring up controversy
Genuinely curious if you actually play and enjoy the story. Because I'm actually shocked that there are people who think it's good. Never thought saying this game's story was bad was a "controversial" take. Lmao
@@StrayMaverick Yes, I did enjoy the story. First 2 acts were atrocious -- everybody agrees about that -- but the story finds its feet by act 3 and continues to get better from there, culminating in a rushed but great Act 6. Act 7, patch 1.1, was excellent (and has been incredibly well-received -- it's what overturned the sentiment in China), and the Moon-Chasing Festival was a genuinely enjoyable period of downtime that had its own interesting story for Xiangli Yao and also allowed fans to spend time with fan favourite characters (with romantic undertones). This just sounds like you have an agenda given the enormous contrast with everyone else's reaction and this overly negative review was clearly not done in good faith. I believe you know that yourself.
I literally have no clue how other people view this story. I made the video based on how I viewed the story from my own critical lens. That's it. No "agenda." Lol
@@johnhallow Girl, it's a valid review of a bad story. Just because you coped with it and liked it doesn't mean it was good. I don't like the skip button, I hate what it stands for, but you know what. In 1.1 I've had it, the story was grinding into a hault, I've missed nothing important and I just spammed that skip button. It was so boring. The only part I cared to listen to was Jinshi's part, that's it. I didn't skip any quest prior, I gave the story a chance, even tho I should have skipped because everything from ACT 1 to 6 was a waste of everyone's time. If the writers don't care enough to flesh out their world and give me a skip button then I'll just skip everything. And I don't like that. What's the point of playing a long time story game if the story is a dumpster fire?
@@kawaiimika7974 Lmao, absolute nonsense. You're free to dislike the story. As the saying goes, "You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches." But there is an astronomic difference between "I don't like the story", and "the story is bad because I say so" and then listing a bunch of one-sided nitpicks. It's also silly to act like your opinion is a fact that precludes everyone else's
"Show, don't tell" is a famous technique known for its universal effectiveness. You should learn about it and do it with your videos. I'm just being told stuff with no context, no further elaboration on why something doesn't work, with analysis getting cut off by dad jokes as if I have attention span problems and need to be engaged (like I didnt see this was a 30 min video). I haven't played GI so when I see you show me cutscenes of that game and then WuWa where characters are just standing there talking in both and just say "the former is good, the latter is bad" I have no idea why and am just lost. I have to do all the work myself as this vid leverages near to nothing. Also find it wild how in a video about story you criticize the game's character designs for being made primarily with appeal and not their history, and then showing me Jean, a knight (i think) who fights with her top area exposed, like that's not an highly vulnerable area during battle, but we don't care because she's pretty like all characters in these games, it's not just WuWa who should get shade for this and as a major complaint at that. This video feels like it's made to appeal to those who agree with you and not to try to enlighten those who don't. My time was wasted.
Tell me you're not really sure what "show, don't tell" means. That technique is used for stories. It literally has no place in an analysis and actually has quite literally nothing to do with the rest of what you said. Lol As for the "no context" on why the beginning of Genshin is better, you're just gonna have to rewatch that portion again. I very clearly elaborate why the beginning of Genshin is better, even for people who haven't played that game. I state it's better because it establishes the overarching hook AND connects it to the first arc in an efficient way, whereas Wuthering Waves meanders and has a hard time establishing a clear emotional hook to the story. If you're lost while I'm speaking, perhaps that's a problem with your comprehension and not a problem with what I'm saying.
@@StrayMaverick "Show, don't tell" can definitely be applied to non-stories. Yes, it is a technique used for narratives, but it is also a writing technique that can be applied to other texts. In an analysis, I see Telling as saying "this is bad" and Showing as saying "X happens, it doesn't make sense because of Y, so it's bad". Lengthier? Yes. More nuanced? Most definitely. Your videos are already long so I know you could make the effort. Also, this video in itself has an underlying a narrative, with you explaining stuff in a sequence that builds upon itself. Dismissing it as something for stories only is disrespectful to all the writing you did for this. I also used the term because the visual language of this video is simple but it doesn't do it many favors. "Why is this bad?" is what I should learn, but neither the overly generalized commentary ("this thing is bad like everything is bad") or the clips on screen help me do so (I would actually have liked some on-screen text here and there). When I was talking about "no context" I wasn't refering to this bit specifically. I can't say that your description of GI's start is flawed, I couldn't possibly know. Even if I think you might have been a bit rough, full of hyperbole and not giving the same accurate description of events during WuWa's start, that's not my issue. Like I said, I can't know why a scene in GI with Amber and Kaeya talking is better than the one with Jinhsi and Changli doing the same, and I can't know why Zhongli's silhouette has more character than anyone else in WuWa. Without context shown to me, all I have is your word which, in all good faith, can be unreliable. This is what makes me lost. You speak as if all share the knowledge of events in both games when it isn't the case. You talk about Hoyo games, so it's normal to assume your audience knows about those games, but new people won't. I shouldn't have to do homework for this video, and if I did and played GI, this video would still have little to offer me.
That's not “show, don't tell”, that's literally just the definition of making a valid argument; If A then B. And that's what the entire video does. I painstakingly go through several reasons for why I think the story is “bad” and give reasons as to why I define said things as “bad.” I actually don't know how to explain that I'm making arguments here without just literally copying from the script. But that brings back my initial point; just rewatch the video. I really should not have to explain that my 30 minute review states WHY something is bad and gives reasons for it, because each section in the video absolutely does. Nothing requires pre-knowledge about Genshin. I quite literally go through the points you NEED to know about Genshin in that section. Again, I'm having a hard time here because it's like I'm debating with someone who straight up didn't watch the video. Again, I can just pull excerpts from my script I guess? But it's literally all in the video already.
@@StrayMaverick Fine, it's not "show, don't tell". Yes, you do point several reasons it's bad, many I agree with. I agree with them because I played the game and noticed them myself, not because of the video. I'm afraid we might have moved the goalpost a bit and I might not have been clear but this was my main problem with the video. It's like when analysing a book you should read a passage to state what's wrong with it, with a video game you should show the dialogue or what's happening in a cutscene. You give your takes about the game while playing clips in the bg, but with how little time they stay on screen, all I have is your words. I've watched this video 3 times at this point as I am actually trying to be sincere, but I'm pretty sure you didn't really pause your narration to show the game failing at telling its story, only for jokes, the voice acting stuff and one Yangyang bit during the riddle stuff. Maybe it's your style, and that's fine, but in my judgment it makes for frustrating analysis. I'm left waiting for those bad moments to get the spotlight on them and for me to catch the flaws you have pointend out, but it never happens. And about Genshin, I did get that the story is better and they do more effective character work minus that "character development gets frozen" stuff. But how? You were bringing up GI's execution and I also wanted to see it, even if for only 5s, so I can clash it with WuWa's. I'm told the points, I'm not shown them. Now, I know I was dramatic on that first comment, and I might not have spoken straight, but please don't take time of your day to show me the script to convince me. It's actually a really sweet move, but I'm just not worth said effort. I'll just note a few problems I had with your points and hopefully this doesn't escalate further (I'm not used to typing so much on yt). I don't think the whole "the reverse rain could be used to leverage rover's lost memories" makes much sense. In the story they continuously say we have no memories, not that we have, like, locked memories inside our head. The illusions are created from the mind os someone affected and ours is basically empty, there are no illusions that could come from the mc. After talking about Jinhsi's backstory you said it became clear the game does little to no setup before events in the plot, and I'm just kind of lost. There's no need to clarify, I think I get the idea, it's more like the timing when you point out this issue doesn't feel right, taking the point made earlier and that you don't give an example afterward. This kinda coincides with my main issue with the vid. I hope after this all is good and clear.
I like to think that rover would be similar to the doktah (theory?) where his previous self before the amnesia already set everything up and preplaced scenarios to control his after amnesiac self to do what he needs to happen, and its for a bigger purpose relating to the eye controlling the mommy threnodian and the goddess from the beginning. But thats just a head canon
The world being post apocalyptic doesn't mean you must be hostile toward unconscious stranger, you know. It's not like we're wearing Exile or Fractsidus uniform, we're just resonator with foreign attire. Bringing us to the city to get our terminal checked is the right action to take, just like Amber decide to escort Traveller to Mondstadt. It's not well delivered but it make sense.
Isn't Genshin technically a post-apocalyptic story with a fantasy/Isekai setting? So, why is it alright when in Genshin characters are friendly towards the traveler even though they are an unknown person who could be part of the Abyss order, but when WuWa does it it's bad? I understand liking the CBT 1 story but the points he made seemed to come from a extremely biased point of view
@@Goobermanguydude I don't know about Genshin Impact being post-apocalyptic. One thing for sure people associates that word with wasteland and people fighting for resources Mad Max style. That's probably what shaped his view.
@@Goobermanguydude genshin story did NOT started like that, matter of fact genshin story started with amber telling us how suspicious we are and how weird our name is, and then after we find stormterror invading mondstadt kaeya LITERALLY SAYS "a new ally or perhaps a new foe?" So genshin story unironically started completely different from this where people find us and automatically aids us, and trust us instantly, a handful of characters quite literally don't trust us, its once we do SOMETHING like getting stormterrror out of mondstadt or being presented by amber when we gain some "trust", and its crazy how i remember that i played in 1.0, gotta mean someting lmao
@@NFYT yeah but amber instantly switched up at that moment, and kaeya too. It's alright to admit that Genshin has a lot of traveller glazers, yes there are some people that aren't, like Raiden Shogun (at the beginning of inazuma quest at least) and Arlecchino but that doesn't mean the majority didn't
And also Jinhsi already knew about Rover since Jue predicted it. She knew the main trio would find Rover there and asked to bring them to Jinzhou as their "important guest"
I agree on some of the points but Genshin's storytelling is efficient? I've played this game since Inazuma and it's not efficient at all. Even world quests these days takes 2 to 3 hours when it can be done in an hour.
I disagree that it's been bad SINCE Inazuma, I think Inazuma was bad, but I think the story for GI has it's highs and lows and absolutely LOADS of things to discover organically though books and item descriptions. I truly love the narrative of GI, and I'm struggling a bit with the exposition dump happening in WuWa in chapter 1, voice acting aside. I'm playing it and spending money on it because I really love Kuro. They have a unique take on games, and I like how they listen to the players, where HoYo is dogwater that tries to scalp it's player base. But I really do love the world of Teyvat even though everyone is shades of white. 😅😅
So the story of 1.1 is about how jinshi has to fight jue and “upgrading” her power power and might die trying but she had to do for saving the island. And you didn’t like it because they explain her backstory and what is happening + because they didn’t explore the story of changli when she have her own personal quest? Modifica: The fact that we pass a lot of the time in the cave is personal preference becouse i like more staying in a cave resolving riddle like i’m unsealing a powerfull creature rather than Genshin where you mindlesly go from point A to B
His complaints are not about them explaining her backstory, its the lazy way they showed it. Same thing about Changli, its not about her having her own story quest where they flesh her out more, its about the fact that we spent something like 50% of the quest with her, and they do little to nothing with her in that time beyond just introducing who she is and how she relates to the current situation. There is no conflict, no growth, she is just there, the fact you could remove her and most of the story would remain the same is the problem.
@@qaztim11 ...lazy? No conflict? No growth? Are we playing the same game? Also, how can you remove Jinhsi or Changli from their quest? There would be no story to tell without them in it.
@@qaztim11 changli has the role of a guide and she has to take us to point A to point B and explain what is happening she doesn’t need to have growth, the part of conflict is done in a previus voice mail that we hear at the end of the 1.0 story quest and sometimes she question her decision. her role is simply to excort us not necessarily every character has to have a spotlight in a story and if you add one it would feal filler or forgettable. And if you remove from the story it doesn’t make sense how we found the secret hideout and it would make no sense how the evil guy didn’t find us
@@franky1623 After seeing the video its quite obvious that his purpose is slandering. Also its not genshin impact if u want to know about a character there is a dedicated story quest for knowing them well (unlike genshin). And he talked about retract rain effects (which were well described and illustrated) but instead he choose to spread misinformation. Misinformation that he spread Retroact rain effects Purpose of showing characters that dont have any role in the story(every character that we see in story plays important role they have litteral cutscenes for that) Why he didn't go to mt firmament Why was he asked to help with threnodian How he got havoc power( because he absorbed it) Role of mortefi and baizhi
Over all i just hope the WuWa team become more confident with thier story telling and stop listening to the waifu cryers. There were legitimate critiques on the pacing but the characters personality should have never changed from CBT 1. Now everyone seems so bubly that is collides with the storeous theme of wuwa. After seeing contents from CBT 1 it just made me so angry that we lost so much lore and story and good character writting. For example i believe from the CBT 1 there was a sort of flash back the explains the rovers origin.
I fear that theyre in too deep with their current playerbase.. 1.3 gosh.. what even was that. if they do plan to add more intrigue and possibly conflict with the main character would scare away their current CN (im looking at you china) playerbase and they dont have a fresh supply of new playerbase.
Reading these comments and watching the vid made me realize how much people really needed Paimon to explain everything to them. Its crazy. HSR and Genshin also had these word dumps and expo dumps.
Don’t get me wrong, I understood most of the dialogue just fine but please explain why they couldn’t just call the ultimate an ultimate 🤣 why is it resonance liberation? They used mouthy synonyms for simple terms and it did nothing for the narrative besides cause confusion.
@@EclipticRaisin Lol, that's just a reason for reading comprehension Resonance = prolonged sound Liberation = released, free Resonance Liberation = A prolonged sound is released You do know that WuWa's world is sound oriented right?
4:04 Not this overarching goal again. Characters must have motives for them to do something in the story sure, but that motives doesn't have to be the main plot. Beside character driven story where MC chasing tangible goal like do or be something serve as the plot, there also plot driven story where the MC just move along the plot. Both are valid writing. Rover has motive, which is to rediscover their memory and they're following what the plot serve for them to get there, which is Jue and it's prophecy. That's a story alright. You can like one more than the other, that's your preference, but that doesn't make it objectively better. You shown Bleach Brave Souls there, do you believe Bleach is worst because Ichigo doesn't have overarching goal unlike Naruto and Luffy who's chasing their dream as the main plot?
Never said the motive has to be the main plot, but Wuthering DOES make Rover's memory recovery the main plot. It's the element that's weaved into major moments. My point was that it's very, very sloppy, and we aren't given much reason to care. Even plot driven stories have character motivations, like you said. Character motivations need to be attached to, obviously, what a character is doing. Otherwise their actions don't make sense, and they cease becoming a well realized character. Even tho Bleach is not a story about Ichigo reaching some grander goal, every arch has larger character oriented reasons for him doing what he does. Take the Soul Society arc. He wants to save Rukia because the previous arc set up their relationship. Now imagine he just doesn't know Rukia, and isn't given a character oriented reason to go to the Soul Society. That would be similar to how Wuthering treats most of its characters.
@@StrayMaverick You said Genshin's setup is better because it gives overarching goal right of the bat. My point is, that's just mean you prefer character driven archetype. The fact is plot driven story like Bleach and Wuthering Waves not meant for us to care about what the MC wants, but for the plot to slowly reveal who they're and satisfy our curiosity. So, you're comparing apple with orange and claiming one is better.
Rover's plot is also set up right from the bat. Again, the game IS about his lost memories. The comparison to Genshin is to show how that type of setup is done well, versus Wuthering, where it's not. Again, if Rover didn't have the memory plot and that wasn't in every arc, then you'd be right. But it is.
@@StrayMaverick Rover is mysterious figure with amnesia, send to this world by goddess like figure and have the same ability as the legendary first resonator to absorb Echo. Is that not good enough setup to invoke curiosity?
We're not talking about "curiosity" here. That's a separate discussion altogether. We're talking about character motivation since the main plot IS tied to our main character. Since the main plot is Rover's memory, we should understand why he's doing what he's doing and have it link back to his memories. For all of the Prologue and Chapter 1, that isn't done well.
I think the story got better after the mc meet scar. Before that it was sooo slow and boring. Plus the way they keep shoving new words and terms into our throat like chill bro I wasn't into the story yet
There was a re dub i think and the English voicelines did improve, especially the female character voicelines like chixia and yangyang, the story does lack impact and depth and i do hope they do better in the future patches when more lore is available cause ive already invested a lot of my time in this game and it has amazing combats and better exploration experience it just needs to improve its story
Idk why someone is out here praising genshin's story when it literally has none. It kept forgetting what it wrote and is just writing on the fly. Anyone still remember Oceanid's lines? And when Nahida was released her announcement came with Neuvillete's comment about the Water Archon? Also Liben's comment about Fontaine? Which of the above comments are true about Fontaine? NONE Anyone still remember about Beidou's letter about her voyage to Fontaine? If you even take a look at your map and the altitude you will know what is not possible. And there is that huge mushroon that doesn't matter in Sumeru. And that recommendation letter, that person literally had a device that helped you clear the black muds in the chasm, but then apparently the follow up for the letter is that he is a nobody and the letter is of no use. This is only a few examples that I can think of from the top of my head. And there are plenty more.
I'm definitely not sure how to answer every one of those questions, but I feel like those aren't relevant, right? A story can have holes, or have issues with consistency, but still work and be good in other ways. Saying a story has plot holes says nothing about the dialogue, character writing, coherence, theming, etc. All of that is separate. Now if plot holes super matter to you, then I can understand. But that's not what this video is about. And I don't think, nor say, nor say on my channel, that Genshin has an incredible story. Just that it has parts that really work, and has parts here that work much better than WuWa. Imo it would be wiiiild to say a story is just on its face bad because it has plot holes. There's plenty more, and 99% of stories are a mix of issues and achievements.
@@StrayMaverick Then I have one that is very relevant here. Albedo not recognizing Scaramouche this patch. In fact if anyone, Albedo will be the one who realizes this. He is created as a clone of a descender whose fate is not determined by the stars of Teyvat, that is one of the reasons that he should not be affected as much by Irminsul. And then even if Albedo is affected by Irminsul as much as anyone else, there is a second one. If converting Scaramouche's story into fairy tale about a cat is enough to protect his memory so that Nahida can return them to him later, then there is the whole 2.6 version, where the story about Scaramouche killing Raiden Gokaden is written as a poetry about Five Kasen and Scaramouche was referred as Kuronushi. And Albedo is the one that drew Kuronushi based on the poet. He should immediately recognize him the moment he saw him. But apparently not. I like lore so the plot holes are getting out of hand and I definitely cannot enjoy the story anymore.
@@mareepy9810 wait albedo is a clone??? I thought he was just one of Rhiendotter's creations? but also I feel like those examples you provided in the first comment are true, but are mostly from patches BEFORE the actual patch. games sometimes have differing stories from time to time because the writers need to add more nuance once it is actually released/ they realize that the old explanation doesn't make sense. Also, can you tell me more about mushrooms in Sumeru? I don't remember anything about that so I'm really impressed by your attention to detail❤❤❤
Warm take about the weird terms, It's more logic to not know many terms in a new world where you just arrived And well... I lost interest on Genshin, it's good but not great, it's mid and stagnant, crumbled and lately has suffered of many retcons, like Anatole yapping i.e.
I totally agree, 1.0 was so fucking terrible... story wise (let's not talk about performance) that I didn't even try to understand the 1.1 story (Thanks kuro for the skip button, I think they are the first to understand that their writing sucks and they gave us this feature to save us suffering), but I sincerely hope they will soon correct this because although I love it combat system I don't think it will be enough to keep me hooked on the game in the medium/long term and otherwise I will 100% drop it
As much as i love this video, the comments are so much more fun to read. It can be summerised by these 4 words: kurobots, hoyoshill, trash and cope. Every comment is some variation of these words whether its from kurobots or hoyobots. Absolute cinema 😂
I agree with pretty much everything here, and holy I am happy they fixed most of it in 2.0 lol, difference between story is like night and day-the big problem with this is that if the peak (and yes, rinascita is that good) is locked behind multiple hours of slop (and yes, as you said, Huanglong is that bad), with no fixes or rewrites in sight (rinascita proved they CAN do a great story-I legitimately don't know how they went so wrong in Huanglong though). Something that is also worthy of not, is that the story wasn't necesseraly "bad" before the rewrite-apparently, it was too dark and "hostile" for the chinese playerbase which was testing it at the time-dark and hostile both being the best description for Kuro's previous title, PGR, as well as their area of expertise, so thanks no thanks for that
i felt like this is super biased lmao. both can be applied on the same stage: 1. Character design too did u find traveller design worse than rover i dont think thats the point u can think about. 2. Character design inspired??? every promotional video will come along with the characters banner. zhongli and jinhsi design based and inspired of china???? that doesnt look very chinese even yangfei or lingyang looks more chinese than some liyue/jinzhou chars. 3. removing yangyang also the same way you can remove paimon from the cast and let travellers voice their own word than just repetiting stuff. expositioning characters can always be removed and nothing changes 4. Genshin have paimon problem that somehow it have repetiting lines from other characters in conversation. shit making things longer than anything effective more. Genshin should do Wuwa does with abby that is not a mascot chars. 5. the linearity of forcing to join a region story is also the same for both game u forced to help and u should do that.
not to mention why would you say they introduce new characters STORY as new banner ???? THATS HOW GACHA GAME WORKS DOEEEEEE OMG AS IF HSR/GENSHIN/ZZZ/NIKKE DIDNT DOOOO THATTTTTTTTT
@@pandabbztv4776 yeah but this video is WW dedicated, why should genshin catch stray on it? This channel uploads OTHER videos catching stray ON GENSHIN, why should he talk about how WW does the same, in a genshin oriented video? You just hate genshin and it shows, saying other game does the same doesn't mean its well done, he in fact says genshin is a lot of say instead of show, if it needs to catch stary, it does on this channel
The guy is a hater, and that's just what his channel farms. Theres lots like it, and they're kind of a dime a dozen. But i clicked on this video, because I also felt Wuwa's story was very lacking and was curious if others noticed what i had noticed. Some things I'd like to point out about Wuwa that are not defendable, and likely play a massive role in why its story is so subpar. The voice acting out the gate was horrific. Atrocious, I'd argue. I could count on one hand how many of the main characters were 'passable' with their voice acting. We had characters who would literally change their accents, mid-dialogue. Bouncing back and forth between accents, while sounding bored out of their minds. Even cases where some of the Npcs voice actors' genders would change while talking lol! Literally had cases where i was blatantly talking to a guy, and then suddenly around the 4th line of dialog, the guy is now voiced by a girl lol And Yangyang, the poster girl, was the worst by a mile. And she was everywhere in 1.0. So we had to deal with her VA constantly. That, harms a story. A lot. Voice actor delivery is major for important scenes. Some of those scenes could have really made the characters feel alive and more interesting, if their voices were just a little bit better. An example: my favorite act in 1.0, where were introduced to Encore and Aalto. Two characters that felt really vibrant and alive with their fascinating group and dynamic. But Encore couldnt decide whether she wanted to be played by a voice actress that wanted to portray a young american child, or a adult british woman lol! Really took me out of those scenes, and more just seemed silly over how unprofessional and amateur the voice actress was lol. Not as bad as YangYang mind you, who was like nails on a chalkboard throughout all of 1.0. And then lets not forget the very first companion quest of the game. Tiger boy and his voice acting. The worst va in his entire quest, was himself. The NPCs sounded like they got paid more, or at least took the job more serious. His quest was dull too. Which hurt it even more. All in all, WuWa 1.0 was carried by its gameplay, and the devs amazing generosity and passion. Which absolutely destroys Genshin's gameplay and their devs. But the english voice acting talent and story of WuWa is definitely much harder to defend. The best that can be said about Abby, is that at least hes not around much? Is that a genuine compliment? The game gets praise, because a character they created (that they really didnt have to create. So many streamers groaned and rolled their eyes when Abby was introduced), is praised only because we almost never see him? That more seems like course correcting. And i cant help but notice that YangYang got so much backlash from her awful voice, that you cant help but notice you never see her anymore after 1.0 lol. Same for Tiger boy.
I mean if you like expositions robots with the most subpar voice acting feeding you information that wont matter later and leaving you with disappointment (ahem shorekeeper) then sure go ahead and defend the mediocre writing
A detail that stuck with me was that original the red hair cop was more untrusting of you, imagine winning her trust during the story,but now everyone wants to be our friend and welcome them with open arms, even the bad guys !? I feel the dev may listen to much feedback, imagine WuWa and Genshin be the total spectrum of hear to much and not a all ....
I got baited into thinking this will cover the current story available. The main story for 1.2 is pretty strong and feels like a good setup for future events that will happen. Since they flat out info dumped a ton of stuff already in 1.0. They didn't have to go crazy about the jargons and what not.
@@StrayMaverick I personally liked the Main Story Quest for this patch. It was more focused on the character and their situation. I think it was a huge improvement. They kinda laid out some crumbs about future stuff and speculate what could be going on. I also like that Rover had more voice lines in this story. Definitely helps with making the thing feel less detached. Although I would still wish there were more. Haven't finished Zhezhi's story yet. I'll be playing in a while.
@@yuminanirvalen Yeah but that kinda hurt the first impressions though. I just wish they spaced it out a bit more so that way they can slowly show what each of the phenomena and jargons that mean along the way. In the CBT scenes, it shows a lot of the characters getting involved in the current Exploration Quests that we have. So I'm guessing at some point they were considered main quests.
I dunno if we getting more analysis, hail Kuro community Guess i'll never be able to learn his thoughts on the rest of penacony, or even ZZZ's style of story telling. :/ Welp be safe wherever you are Stray maverick o7
Could you do one of these for the newest 1.3 story? I dropped the game, and since nobody seems to care about the story enough to upload it, I'd like it if you reviewed it, so that I can know if its still trash or not
Here's a recap. There's another island with a mysterious girl on it, but this time to the west, rather than southeast. She is a computer, rather than a dragon. She also flirts with you until you save her, as she learns to be a person with feelings. She also hints at past calamities that have nothing to do with the ongoing action. But now the world might end in a different way than the last two times it almost ended since the game launched. So, will we save the world again next patch, or will we have to wait two patches for the next cool(ish) battle sequence? Stay tuned for two months to find out! Oh, and Jiyan is still vanished from the story :(
@@jrn913 thank you much 😂 I played through 1.1 and decided to just step away and try to let them cook until console version launches. I'll still try it but combat alone won't justify the console space if they really haven't fixed the storytelling by then.
Begining really suck ngl..but after meeting Scar it significantly better imo..CBT story was really special tho. it got dark theme but then again CN ruined it!!
I disagree and i hate this excuse. "Cn ruined it" - NO. CN rightfully complained about story that felt like it was trying too hard to be hostile, too edgy and frankly poorly written. When cn complained, they didn't say that story should be changed upside down, they said they should fix the mistakes and make the writing for the characters better. It was entirely on kuro to change the direction of the game instead of improving what they had.
@@kiuhh1118 yeah complained rightfully over chixia getting kneed by crownless.those violence actually matches the darker world unlike genshin where it is more for younger audience.look at geishu lins story after committing his life to save jinzhou he gets blamed for losses and jiyan becomes hero
these comments are wild lmfao i'm sorry everyone got so heated. I play wuthering waves everyday but the story is just not it for me. I liked how you broke it down in this video for the most part I agree. My hope is kuro improves more with time for wuthering waves. I heard they have better story telling in their other game it just seems like here they had a world of time crunch pain after rewrite and running out of time to release that they couldn't get their foundation polished.
Many people are throwing ad hominem attacks on the creator himself while ignoring most of the points he made on the video and bringing up irrelevant subjects
Personally I play the game mainly for the gameplay but recently I started reading the story. the story really gets gripping in act 5. It's not that the story is bad, it's that the beginning is poorly introduced. Besides, it must be said that they have improved enormously on the writing with the continuation of the main quest in 1.1 and the Changli quest and even the quest that we have in 1.2. The problem is that you are too impatient. give them time. I remind you that Genshin wasn't that crazy either. and also arknights, the first chapters are terribly mid.
@@Zeref-n7u genshin wasn't crazy good in its early days but it was good none the less even its event quests and character story quests. Genshin went from good to great. Wuwa was laughably bad where the rule of cool is paramount. And those who said 1.1 story was a huge upgrade, well its true a 1/10 to a 3/10 is a huge 200% increase. Wuwa went from really bad to still bad but not as bad.
@@batperson3532the first patch of Genshin is dogshit: the pace is worst than one piece character vanish faster than they arrive The story is about a drunk man that lost his pet dragon ( yeah is boring as it sound). And still to this day paimon don’t have her own personality just like the traveler
@@JalBabazad-vf8yb it’s still shit and the game doesn’t have a good gameplay the only thing that save that game was the fact everyone was confined at home with nothing batter to do.
@@JalBabazad-vf8yb genshin 1.0 storyline: dragon is mad at people now starts attacking people then we save it by fighting the dragon. And now dragon is happy
Playing this game I couldn't stop every 10 minutes and tell my boyfriend how for every 5 lines of dialogue someone HAD to mention that I am the most SPECIAL AMAZING UNIQUE little boi that ever specialed in the whole wide world. And I don't think the story ever stops with this??
I remember how, even before it is revealed who the "special guest" is (it was never a secret, but they at least tried to make it seem like nobody knew in-game), every NPC you talk to, calls you the special guest as if that was already common knowledge.
The only positive thing about Genshin story is there word Buildings and its lore that they built for 6 years ,but the way they tell the story is put garbage and should not be Compared with a 2 months years old game.
@@StrayMaverick you didn’t explain quite well how genshin is better then wuwa You just compare the beginning and said that genshin was better becouse present the world better and than procede to tell that wuwa doesn’t elaborate the character
What ive found with most of these gacha style games, the story is always all over the place. As is the questing and story progression. Following the main story is so hard when IN main story quests you are thrown from a cutscene of the mc and other characters going over huge story building and plot building, to the characters immediately having to help a girl find some candy? In the same quest. Just for the girl to tell you a bit of info maybe on the main plot. Yet. the quest is still just "get the girl the candy" instead of progressing to the actual point and narrative of the story now that we have some info. Then after getting the candy.. your sent to talk to an old man about his countries collapse... bro where in the fuck is the special sea shell we were supposed to be looking for and what we were initially talking about?? Or did we just forget that was the main quest. Why am i talking to Danzo about sharigans right now. We were supposed to be looking for a sea shell to progress the main plot.. 🤦🏻 THEN.. after you save the old mans entire... country... you have to help a cat find a dog in the woods and cook them chicken tacos. For no fucking reason at all. Where at some point.. never know when. Youll eventually continue on the main plot and find the sea shell. This is 99% of the story in all of these types of games. Among many other story progression issues. The narrative and plots/stories could.. be amazing. If they didnt have filler episodes in the MIDDLE of main quests/plots being built
In the new story, it's literally nonsense. Yeah we lost shorekeeper, promised to find her at all cost. Yet I thought we are going to find her in the next version but didn't expect to do it right after she just lost, about 2 minutes later. What a dumb story
@@Ilovefood-wu3vmif Wuwa is trash - it is trash and you can not change it. Besides combat Wuwa give you nothing to enjoy. Only mediocre harem isekai vibes of course))
I'm certainly not expecting any bias from a channel whose description says "A channel dedicated to all that is Hoyoverse!" (looks like bro changed his description now)
You just commented this on another comment. I can see that. Lmao. Yes, I'm certainly biased towards HoYo games because a description I made years ago says I cover those games. You've got me, detective. Take me in! 👮♂️ 🚔
@@motemo8413 Nah, do I agree with some points. I wouldn't go as far and say its story is terrible and the focus on Genshin is a bit much for a video about another game. Especially for example the part where he says there are parts in the story where they are just checking boxes in the story for things Genshin did.
Characters in wuwa story quest basically speaking..not “voice acting“..wonder where did kuro pick those VA..sounds like random twitch streamers ..referring to english
I think we all know the story needs alot of polish but some of your points were a bit reaching... and make me think you have not played a gacha game before /shrug. Im curious what your intention was in creating this video because it feels not genuine :(
My entire channel is dedicated to gacha stories and I played a lot of Wuthering Waves and wanted to review it as well! That was the largest intention. Lol
A very interesting video for sure. While some of the questions you have asked are answered in the story, the things you talked do make sense to some degree. I don't quell on how the story progressed or anything personally. I just want it to make sense and have fun going through it. But your points are valid like the act 1-6 having no direction and no buildup. Try the story quests too they add some depth to characters and build their backstory to some degree. The story quests have been a lot better than the initial ones. The concept of starting in a battlefield is cool and interesting to me but maybe would have been hard to implement as most people straight up want to explore or start pulling. Could be complex to pull off but would be cool af. The comments are surely going to cook you lol or at least try to. Most of what you said does make sense but would have been better if you had separated a section itself for what it needs and how it can be done better. Personally , I like the concept of the world very much. The waves resonating in different frequencies, remaining waves and stuff feels fresh than another magic and gods, well wuwa still has gods ig. But personally, experiencing story of wuwa is more tolerable than genshin for me even though genshin's story cumulated till now is better in script. But would rather watch a yt vid for genshin story than play genshin story. Thats the stronger point in wuwa for storytelling imo. Hoping for better storytelling in the future as they have cooked good in their other game at the later stages. Overall a good video!
The main thing that drives me away from this game is obviously the lack of unique character personalities and lack of a good story,it seems like they worked on more of the gameplay and features but forgot about the story at the last minute and said "screw it,done' meanwhile in genshin im actually invested in it because its much more straightfoward without acting like something it isn't,acting too deep for something so simple.
I recently started playing the game with the PS5 launch in January and it's nice to see someone lay out all the issues with 1.0 because holy shit, I finished it literally because I wanted to see where the trainwreck was taking me. So far 2.0 seems like a huge step up to the level of like... basic narrative quality expectations (as in, characters interact with each other and play roles in the story, there is setup and payoff, exposition feels more natural, not everyone is glazing Rover for no reason). It's not stellar writing by any stretch but the leap over 1.0 is kind of astronomical and in hindsight I think it works as a good benchmark for what 1.0 was probably like before 90% of it was rewritten.
I was amazed to see such a bad review of a story. This was one of the worst story review videos I've watched in a long time. It's okay if you didn't like the plot, it's not okay when you make not liking the story the central criticism. For example, the first 2/3 acts were poorly written because they throw unnecessary information at you instead of showing you slowly, however, the last few chapters of the 1.0 story quest they fixed many of these issues by improving character interactions, even making joke with unnecessary terms which makes sense if we think that Rover has no memories at all, imagine that you are a baby but with an adult mind and you are learning everything new about the world, it is expected to have an overload with new terms and information. In the last chapters of 1.0 they even do something that is very rare in a gacha game, a build up with gameplay, you have the 5th act and the 6th building up until a climax where you actually play a war and don't just move around talking with the characters 90% of the time like many gacha games. In many games the focus is on telling a good story, but your participation in the gameplay is not relevant, for example, you have 60 minutes of dialogue and fight against 3 mobs before the final boss, instead, participate and fight against different minibosses and bosses until reaching the final boss, this is progression imbued in the gameplay which is essential for a game. Your review of the story mission 1.1 was what made me write this, you didn't evaluate the plot, you didn't even give a proper summary of the mission you just complained about the dream recap which wasn't really relevant even if it had been shown the way you I wanted to and the way they showed it actually gave an important information for the world building that wouldn't be possible to tell just showing it, normally expository dialogue is bad if it's going to take away from you an important moment that can connect you deeply with that character, for example, 90% of Genshin's sad stories and lore or the story of Robin's past in Pennacony. I also find it very interesting how the hell you talk so much about dialogue exposition which is one of the narrative elements of a video game and not talk about camera angles, animation, game progression through story 1.1 etc. Some of the questions you asked why are we in a cave? Or why everyone loves Rover? These are questions from someone who hasn't read the story, you can say that you don't like the premise, you can say that the premise is weak in your opinion, but don't pretend that it doesn't exist when it exists and makes sense within the context in which it takes place the story
You wrote so much only to be loud and wrong. Literally none of your points, not a single one is a good counter argument to anything he said in the video.
@@Mackss-iq6isread again, my argument was this video doesn't not do a proper review of the game, he didn't even read the story and he makes questions about things that were answered in the quest, he criticized the story storytelling without even analyzing cinematic, gameplay progression, story board etc, that's not how you analize a game story. A game story it's not like a novel, has all the cinematography and gameplay to be analized as a part storytelling. He had some fair points that I agree with but he overly criticize some of that points like the dialogue exposition to tell about the the dream like it was a massive con when it wasn't relevant and actually that recap gave us one important information that it's relevant to the world building and it wouldn't be shown if was not that dream description EDIT: and most important he didn't even summarize 1.1 if you want to do a video critizing a story you should at least summarize it and say How you would make it better, which interactions would you change etc..
@@pedromiguel2929 he mentioned the quality cutscenes and understands why ppl find them alluring. As for gameplay, early stages of an rpg like wuwa should have progression integrated harmoniously w/ the story, but I feel like rover's form change wasn't setup well for the reasons maverick covered, and largely existed to match other gatcha game's trend of an evolving mc. Also, I don't think it's his responsibility to summarize entire quests if his commentary is targeted at ppl who have done it. I agree tho that he didn't need to criticize the voice acting work, because the rest of his points r enough to make his argument. What's a game that you consider to have excellent storytelling?
Well said. That's what I felt about his review as well. Some good points but riddled with bad ones. He missed a lot to be honest. Some claims are unsubstantiated as well. Like when he implied that Changli suddenly appeared and only exists to sell when Changli was foreshadowed in the earlier Acts. It's funny that Changli at least wasn't forced to the story unlike Shenhe in the Osial quest in Liyue. And I'm comparing it to Genshin because this video's primary argument is "unlike Genshin." Also the claim that it has no direction and that it's like throwing a pasta to a wall and seeing what sticks. Which makes me think if he actually paid attention to the lore and story. His criticisms regarding the character designs calling them "uninspired" as well are so illogical and out of place. For those, I recommend Star Rail Crusader's video. This could've been a good video but I ended up thinking the same. That's it's of the worst video criticisms regarding Wuwa's writing that I've ever seen.
For me, You hate Wuwa and his story, the story is bad only for you and looking others who think the same. Keep raising cbt 1. If you used to read books (science fiction genre) you would know that the some of the best aren't that exciting on the first 2 or 3 chapters. WUWA's story is built little by little. And keep the "trash" for you own story. The fact something doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean is bad or trash. PEOPLE like you used to say the same for PGR story. Just like people who never read a new fictional novel in their entire life.
This didn't pay attention to the story some of his questions are from someone that wasn't paying attention, you can say that the premise is weak but can't pretend that it doesn't exist or that it doesn't make sense. He also wasn't able to summarize properly the 1.1 story quest probably cuz he also didn't read it, he just complained about dialogue exposition where it didn't matter and yapping when is one of the story quests with less yapping in any of the big gachas, even hsr has more yapping. Also during the entire video he didn't mention story board, camera angles, animation or gameplay progression within the story which are essencial parts of any storytelling of a videogame. Such a weak review
Idk what the video is about but ik the entire 1.0 story is trash and it just gets hype in act 6 But 1.1 story is really good and I think they are going in a right direction but wish none of the beginning story existed
The beginning exists so that 1.1+ doesn't need to explain most basic elements in the world anymore. If they hadn't they would need to do so in later stories, which wpuld have made everything lower "quality" instead.
Honestly I played it and I liked the fights and stuffs but yeah the story and characters felt kind of meh to me sadly, and I eventually got bored to even play ? I didn't feel any emotion during the story, I felt like any character could die during the final fight and I wouldn't feel anything about them, which is sad honestly, the game shows promise but the story really needs improvement, I didn't feel any connection or interest to know more about it. I might try it gain but not sure.
So much comments saying its meh I cant deny it though 1.0 wasn't great but it got better after that and now 2.0 is here wondering if you'll make a follow up video on that
For those saying: why everone was too freindly toward Rover? Simply didn't really pay attention to the story at all and just follow the words of some hater or thoese who didn't like the story.
@@blueberry7478 in the game they literally explained why Rover isn't affected by mount firmament's time phenomenon by simply saying "Rover is special" But yeah sure
@@MildlySweetCappuccino at the start of the story rover got send to the world by a litteral god and jue said that it was the servant of rover thousands if years ago. But surely rover isn’t special at all
@@MildlySweetCappuccino Did you actually read? Changli explained that it's because we're most likely the first resonator that "stood alongside the sentinel". And the end of 1.1 proves that's true.
@@lunar31-r9kand they don't even have to read to understand how special Rover actually is, first the cutscene at the beginning of the game with the God, having Abby absorb Crownless, the Rover absorbing Dreamless's power, the special connection Rover have with the world (having foresight of the Threnodian/ sensing Jiyan's battle from far away).
@@Sardo12121 Nah I watched couple of his other videos, he criticizes all the bad parts about Genshin and HSR such as lack of Show Don't Tell and a lot of yapping
@Yuukine2365 why are you stating such nonsense. This dude has criticized other games as well not WW. You WWshills always act as if WW is some kind of perfect game when it isn't.
Man I completely forgot about you when I was unsubbing from every gacha related channel I had. And watching the video and reading the comments reminded me why I decided that I don't want to interact with communities of any gacha game. Good luck, don't get mad at people and thanks for reminding me I guess kek
@@StrayMaverickYeah, I just don't play gacha games that much anymore. You reminded why. Because they are shit. Because their story is shit. And their audience are akin to monkeys that throw shit at each other kek.
Its kind of astonishing how people see some mild criticism and go mad, something about gacha games make people feel like criticism is a personal attack No one is saying you can not enjoy the story, especially int he few moments(2D and 3D cutscenes) where everything clicks. If someone is writing something extremely thought out with many examples, they are(in most cases) not doing it because they hate the game, but because they want to see it improve.
@@qaztim11 Some people (especially young) are just prone to get too attached to pieces of fiction and gacha games by design encouraging this behaviour even more. Hence the enormously high amount of tribalism among players of this types of games. It doesn't even have to be between different games, fights between fans or haters of different characters in a single game are just as ugly.
The biggest red flag about the rewrite is that that implies there was the opportunity to change it - there wouldn't have been time to make all the many new cutscenes and interactive experiences, just changing the scripts for talking scenes with basic animations. If NINETY PERCENT could be rewritten that last minute, then that meant most of the story was conveyed with basic scenes talking at you while youre just sitring there getting talked at. Like you said, compare that to Genshin's way of including interesting sights that are made a part of an experience like the introduction to Dvalin flying overhead and then we secretly witness a private and mysterious scene that instantly hooks our interest, THEN we meet a local and shes inteoducing us to the first civilisation when BAM theres an attack that seems like such a big deal to everyone around us and its the dragon that we first saw being so gentle so we're wondering whats going on and then we get to fly to fend it off in a way that only we can do and thats WHY the other characters trust us entirely after this point. Thats fuckihg oscar-worthy storytelling compared to Wuwa 😅
im so thankful for this video. i felt insane scrolling through twitter and seeing everyone praise the story when the game first dropped. i dont think people understand that they can like stuff that is bad. writing is as much of a science as it is an art. it is not up for debate; this story is poorly written- BUT: that doesn't mean people can't like it. when we say its poorly written, that doesn't mean its without its merits as a game. but people take it personally when writers talk about their craft. (not just writers but developmental editors as well.)
You use punctuation like a middle school student learning that periods, exclamation points, and question marks do not comprise the entire lexicon of punctuation for the first time. "it is not up for debate; this story is poorly written- BUT: that doesn't mean people can't like it." Maybe learn to write a UA-cam comment before deciding what is and isn't up for debate. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
@@GaliBurton You cannot be serious. Where in my comment did I even mention Genshin? Do you just go around assuming genuine criticism of media automatically means enjoying Genshin? You cannot possibly be that dense.
@@noirerune3833 This legit baffles me lmao. People say they HATE Genshin with every fiber of their being, then end up playing and praising a slightly better Genshin to high heaven. Both games are still made with very similar framework in mind.
@@Harfiisacvck Good to know gacha players will keep eating up literally anything as long as the devs give them a shiny 3d model for free every once in a while
Sometimes, I wish I didn't follow WuWa's initial pitch. It's like a crime that I prefer the general tone and vibe of the beta story. It has it's problems though, but I think I'd like it more than the current one. However, saying that the current story is irredeemable or "uniquely terrible" is not an argument. I'd give it the same score as Genshin's Mondstadt and Liyue's Arc.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente missed opportunity for Kuro. CN are at complete fault here. However I’m not really into lore, just combat and WuWa will suffice for the time being unlike a certain game out there.
So glad someone else sees that Act VI doesn’t magically become good just because it’s hype. Like no, the story is still bad. Better, maybe, but still bad. Maybe in future updates there can be more improvement.
Act 6 should have been more dramatic, e.g. Rover getting beaten up so hard to the point where he awakens his inner rage, allowing him to transform into Havoc Rover but Kuro decided for whatever reason to tone it down, making it look like the dreamless is just a slight amusement instead of being an actual threat.
I'm only a few minutes in so far, but yeah, it was definitely annoying (but not shocking because people fall for 'cool action = good' all the time in anime communities) that people acted like Acts 5 and 6 somehow saved the story when the conclusion sequence as a whole is still bad because the setup in 1-4 was so atrocious. 1.1 was legitimately decent, but the entire story of Act 1 is mediocre at the absolute best.
Yes yes! Dont get me wrong i love the potential wuthering waves has. However what it's evident the characters have no moral connection. To themselves or the people in the game. I have said this a million times. Genshin impact has its issues. But their bread and butter is their character's feel like they belong in their world and know of one another. There characteristics are very evident. Shenhe being a great example! Or ning guang even! Okay many characters! Wuthering waves is missing so much. For example Yin Lin. She is a playable character that had a character quest but was so detached from the other character's it was jarring. When finishing her quest. You hear her past was deleted, and she has met Chixia( i bootchered her name but you know). Chixia mentions her but doesnt know yin lin and the whole thing is convoluted. Yin lin doesnt appear and the main story and she basically is a side character that technically has no moral to rover (according to the perspective of other characters). So she becomes basically non existing. Which is sad if someone spent real money on her banner. Because she is not connected to the world once so ever. There is nl investment in her as a character. How many other characters will they do this too? If the devs studied hoyoverse they missed the secret ingredient! Their characters will be disconnected and it shows. I mean lets be honest, the many female characters that story evolves around drooling around rover is sooooooo odd to me. Like maybe 1 or 2 but come on! They need substance! Ugh dont get me started
coming back to this video after finally having time to experience the shorekeeper/black shores stuff and OMFG it was SO BAD. Please review more of the WUWA story, I need someone to talk about it. Stuff just happens for no reason, choices and outcomes make so sense, all the dialogue is word soup, and there is no time to set up or develop anything. It's baffling because it's aesthetically so nice, the visual imagry is on point and the music sets up a great atmosphere, but there is no substance behind any of that.
The funniest part was when we meet Camellya, and they do the thing in the dialogue where they say something, and there's some small, supertext in the subtitles to give the reader further context... but Camellya's VA read it all out and it sounded so horribly awkward. Like... no one told her not to read that part, nor did they have her redo it after the mistake was made. They just put that in the game. The gameplay is good, and the characters look cool... but the game is very rough in a lot of places.
Man, i know you're not gonna read this, but im so sorry for the negativity going your way for not liking a story. I didn't like it and was bored from the moment it started. I have a thing where i jate it when every single thing needs a new word to make it "new love your channel keep it up"
Kurobot here, hear me out. I really didn't find anything offensively bad about 1.0, even though I agree with your points, I would put it above Inazuma because I just had a very bad experience with it Now, I liked 1.1, that cutscene leading up to Jue fight was great even though the whole chapter could have used more build up And that's something I agree with even more after 1.3. God was it bad. First of all, it is 1.3 and we still haven't a proper explanation of frequencies, sonoro, lament, we kind of just accept those are concepts and they work the way they do, I dislike that! Feels as if devs have no idea what those are themselves and because of this they don't really USE the setting of WW and it feels less unique because of it. But more than that, 1.3 felt like they HAD AN IDEA. And I LIKED that idea. Previous chapter felt like they had no idea behind them, not gonna get into details, but I hated the execution. It felt as if writers had no idea how to lead up to the points they wanted with the whole sacrifice and standing up to Tethys system (which btw how tf does it work they do not explain really clearly why it needs emotions at least to me it felt like it and it's a symptom of those concepts not being explained imo) AND after all that, they did the worst conclusion EVER which is "lol we fixed it xD" WHAT WAS ALL THAT SUFFERING FOR THEN????? WHY DID ROVER SET OUT TO A JOURNEY TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS SO LONG AGO??? WHY NOT JUST USE A SPECIAL FREQUENCY FROM THE GET GO WHY LET PEOPLE'S(call it souls) SOULS BE TRAPPED IN DIGITAL HELL ON CONSTANT REPEAT????? Kuro Games REALLY need to invest in good writers and a director man this can't go on. I still like the combat but that story has to improve.
You don't get you call yourself anything positive for Wuwa. Fake fan, fake you already. We don't care about YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY LYING. BE LESS BLATANT DUMBASS.
@@ScrumptiousGluteusMaximus Ahh SHIT YOU'RE right, we gotta chill! We already have a smaller player population... I gotta finish my Echo chamber anyways. That boss difficulty nerf just for Midellya simps like me was so good. Same "balancing" with PGR, Kuro did us dirty for sure.
saying that the story is out right terrible is insane for me. I've read a lot of light novels and stories and i found this quite unique and good, you are just jumping on the train of people that say its bad
@@alphaca3541 Genshin's is not perfect but Wuwa straight up knocked me out with its MC di ck riding and bad writing thanks to the snowflake CN community.
@@alphaca3541 Genshin's is less cringe and fits into the whole picture but Wuwa was supposed to be much darker. The CN community is partly responsible for this.
I thought we already moved on from this. Everyone acts like the Gacha game story should be good from the get-go 😂 gacha games are known to have a shitty start. To anyone having a problem with the jargon and shit, ignore it and revisit it again, personally, for me like hsr. And people can like the game for what it is just like genshin. The story is bad? Stay for the combat and generous gacha. It's a story and Kuro is known for cooking long term. If someone calls it good, it's their opinion. To me, it's good. I'll praise it all day long. I'm sorry for not watching this to the end but I can already tell yall need paimon. Genshin really spoiled some of you.
Why shouldn't it be good from the get go? Why do you just concede that the story should just start off bad? Reverse 1999 has a good story intro 'in spite' of it's really rough translation in the beginning. Limbus Company has an incredibly compelling launch story and only gets better. It's ok to expect better from a story, especially in a game meant to be predatory and addicting. As someone who likes the game but thinks the story pre 1.1 is notably bad, what about the story, to you, is actually good?
@Renteka-Bond I never said it was good. For me, personally, it's okay. I ignore most of the things I don't understand and revisit it again in the future. You need to remember that this is kuro's first rodeo with open world gacha games. The story and the world need to compliments itself. Like in 1.1 and the upcoming blackshore island(?). The games that you mentioned, I do play them. They are only turn-based combat with static backgrounds. That's why some of them have the best stories. Fgo, hsr etc etc
@LoisyAbigail On top of being a gacha game, it's also an open world game. Let's not forget it's kuro's first open world gacha game. To me, the story needs to complement the open world like genshin and for the sake of it, cyberpunk. You ain't gonna get everything the first few hours when the world is still establishing. Not an open-world game but that's how I feel about HSR opening. Albeit as bad as Wuwa was, the info and lore dump at you. For me, at least. For a while, I actually ignored HSR completely until I learned to ignore the first 3 hours of lores in Gacha games. It's more enjoyable like that, I promise you. It can be good but you can't go into a game with high expectations that it'll be good. I can tell some of the people coming to Wuwa, ready to 'compare' it with Genshin 4 years' worth of story. Some even didn't even realize it.
Zenless Zone Zero does story and characters better than either Genshin or WW, change my mind. Combat too while we're at it. I wish its world was more open but what's there is great.
Whether a HoYoShill or a KuroBot, I hope you enjoyed the video! There's a lot to discuss, so let me know what you think in the comments! Don't forget to check out my Stray Sensei channel (in the description) and I hope you look forward to the giant Penacony review coming soon! Have fun debating with randos in these comments, but be respectful. Okay, imma light this fire and scaddadle, byyyeeeeee 🔥 🏃♂️
I thought kurobots are mostly made up of ex genshin players and not the actual players from kuro games previous game PGR.
if you checkout kuro games previous game's story, it appears they are applying the same formula to wuwa's story. Where it would all make sense in the later chapters. Although the start really should not have been screwed by the non sensical feedback. Zhezhi's trailer explain the whole conundrum devs listening to players thing.
@@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451 They seem to try to mirror it. In PGR, they started the game fighting a main antagonist -but-not-really (Alpha)just like what he suggested Assassin's Creed Odyssey style. And while it's slow and meandering there as well just like Arknights, it's a necessary build-up and better written imo than WuWa. PGR loves, and I mean insanely loves foreshadowing with characters or even mere phrases to refer to a future moment that'll come years after that chapter was released. And as I've observed that they do it in WuWa as well (e.g. the butterfly appearing is the shorekeeper yet to be introduced) which means judging it for the first few patches won't do it justice.
That's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful for Wuthering Waves. And knowing that the devs actually truly listen and most of the time a bit too much. Is comforting.
And yeah. I hope the devs only listen to non-creative feedback from now on. They should stick to their creative vision. If the devs are Zhezhi then we're bound to see a better future moving forward just like her in her companion quest (which is pure cinema btw).
@@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451why would you care if these kurobots are made up of "ex-genshin players". Right now theyre shilling for kuro so why bother bringing up what they played before? Its such a stupid mentality to suite your genshin player = bad narrative.
@@Ramun_01 I did not come to this solution myself, i saw a youtuber explaining to me about the situation.
I think, from a purely story perspective, genshin and hsr do a better job making each character feel unique and likeable and that plays a huge part is the story. Like the story could be super generic and poorly paces but slap in a raiden shogun and suddenly the story has a redeeming factor.
Imo i rlly like the characters in wuwa for their gameplay but their story personality is mostly non-existent. I especially felt that shorekeeper was a huge problem cuz all she was is the story is “i’ll die for you rover” “you’re amazing rover” “you taught me this song rover”, like these characters dont exist outside of rover’s vicinity. The characters all throw themselves at rover and its like at some point they all just feel like ai.
not only Shorekeeper bro. i think all the cast are glazing on Rover for some reason lol,
but who cares right, all wuwa player love the skip button anyway lmao
A lot of Genshin fans complain about Raiden story though. Especially how it ended. Then; there's a lot of peeps complaining that some of the interesting characters doesn't get enough attention.
If WuWa can learn to be different from how other gacha stories are executed, then the story and characters has a chance to be great. I haven't seen or heard many gacha storylines do that; sadly...
Don't get me started on how about every character in the main cast of Honkai Impact 3rd have a hivemind when it comes to moral compass, and character interactions. You can replace them with cardboard boxes during Kolosten arc, and nothing will change💀
@@JustEverton Yes and tell the Genshin fandom about the Inazuma Archon quest being the worst and they would 90% agree on you as it is easily the worst one...but to completely ignore the other is nitpick at best because while yes the archon quest sucks. The story quests are still good, especially Raiden which is odd...because she only complains about the First Story quest but once the second got released, yeah those criticisms died out quickly as it turns out the first story quest added a lot to her second story quest. Also here is the thing about Genshin, a reminder that it has tons of characters through the ages so yea at least we can excuse that for why some characters don't get enough attention and even then they still got some attention through events while WuWa is still new...so they have less character and less an excuse on why they disappear once the next patch comes out.
Also, I think the WuWa story got handicapped from the moment they turn everyone in the game into an ungrateful asshole which sure can work but the problem...everyone hates you for sometimes no reason, yes I am talking about nearly everyone, quest givers, NPC, characters. So yeah, once they realize how much of a mistake they made, they pretty much were forced to course correct....maybe too much as now everyone simps for Rover.
In terms of Honkai Impact 3rd....really that is just low man, dragging in another game from the stock of 'criticizing' is low man, also you do realize it is the same game as Kiana, Mei and Bronya...alongside the Flame Chaser argue the most interesting groups of characters in the game.
@@royalhistorian5109 Dawg; The trio of Honkai isn't anything special. Their execution was below average, their connection with each other is rather weak (they barely even got to spend any time with each other before Mei betrayed the group and joined WS), none of them doesn't even have a strong connection with their captain. The story wants us to believe that Himeko taught her comrades how to be strong and many life lessons, but they didn't even go on missions with each other on-screen💀. The Flame Chasers only get to tell their story through Mei's perspective... They should have a whole manga or VN dedicated to them. All their story is just tablets of info-dumping, useless monologuing with a pink elf, and then we discovered that the same pink elf is Mary Sue honkai Jesus, and she's the reason why CE is on easymode to defeat Honkai for good.
Honkai is just full of superficial, empty writing, just like the start of WuWa story. The reason I bring up Honkai and Hoyo stories is because most of the peeps that's hating on WuWa are Hoyo superfans that gassin up Hoyo's mid writing. It's very hypocritical of y'all; imo.
WuWu character formula
1 . Do exposition
2 . Glaze Rover
3 . Rinse and repeat
Shed tears of misery if you chose a female Rover unit. ;/
I've came back just to say that WuWa 2.0 is one of the best chapters in gacha storytelling💯 Y'all doubters can't tell us NOTHIN now🗣😤
@@JustEvertonsorry to say still the story is ass...but to be honest the cutscenes and exploration of 2.0 is absolute cinema
@@-Subhash- What you don't like about the story? Let me guess; the flirting from the wives? Even though one of Frieren's main focuses is a human trying his hardest to show a naive elf love?
I also have another question: Which gacha stories do you think is genuinely good?
It’s a shame you still have to get through 3 chapters or acts or whatever to skip to 2.0
WW plot be like "hey, traveler, hello, you are so special, let's go help us defeat the uninteresting impersonal evil, oh, traveler, you are so special, I'm a sweet girl and I love you!" It's a shame that a game with such great potential has a third-rate isekai plot.
Fun world but the constant glazing of rover is annoying.
I'm absolutely baffled people have standards so fucking low that they'd praise this game's "story".
Agreed, ppl be saying that Genshin's story is for the kids and they overexplain, which is absolutely true. But wuwa managed to outdo it. The sidekicks lead us by the hand through every main quest. And the quests are super generic and boring most of the time, the characters are bland. What I expected to be an exciting dark story with diverse, complex characters turned out to be some weird bland harem simulator with waifus who have no real personalities, just a bad imitation of them.
Anyone who plays a gacha game for the story is special.
@whiskeyearned1543 that's an odd opinion. Some of the best stories in gaming are from gacha games, they're usually just buried in a lot of shit and their quality is inconsistent.
Gaurdian tales @@whiskeyearned1543
said by person who quit the game after first 30 mins or didnt play it at all
Something about wuwa is i can't feel the attachments with the characters, its so plain.
its so sad because the shitty story is one of the main things that pushes me away from the game. i understand that its a gacha game and im going into that not expecting too much but dawg... its so ass. and a lot of the voice acting doesnt help either its just super cringy for the most part along with every character simping for the mc lmao (not saying genshin story is any better but like damn man wuwa gotta be worst story wise)
It's crazy how people defend Wuwa's storytelling while calling Genshin's suckass. I think the greatest evidence of a storytelling success is when your community starts spewing theories like crazy in the first month of the series and very passionate about the lore. Look at One Piece's lore community, everyday they went batshit crazy with all theories and lore discussion. Even i have seen A LOT of lore videos from Elden Ring fandom and Warhammer 40k fandom to the point one of WH cc still talks about the series since 9 years ago!
Wuwa fandom lacks this and it shows. It's been 4 versions out, and heck their story is still underwhelming contrary to the gold that's PGR! Look at the amount of lore videos out in Genshin's first month, all those theories of upside down teyvat, sussy paimon, archons link to celestia, traveler origins, harbingers theories...
Wuwa community should rly start pushing kuro to write better stories, they can do it in PGR so why not Wuwa their cashcow?
Also lmao that 90% becomes some sort of internal joke huh
Kuro: We rewrote 90% of the story!
You: You can take out the 90% of chapter 1 and...it changes nothing!
I mean; all them theories ain't saving the mid story of Genshin. I do agree that WuWa story is greatly lacking right now, but we need to give it some time to cook. Most gacha storylines are abysmal from the start.
I haven't heard anybody ever say that a gacha story was good from start-to-finish. It seem like this will continue until gacha writers start truly caring about the story instead of the money and what CN fans want...
@@JustEverton Gacha games will never be fully good. The stories are there to sell characters first and foremost, which is why Genshin's story is so far structured the best. When it comes to Genshin, hyv clearly wrote the story first, designed the characters second and then decided when banners will be. With both WuWa and HSR it feels like they simply go "Oh, this character has a banner in this patch, let's see how we can squeeze them into a story that clearly doesn't need them"
As clearly pointed out in the video, you can NOT rewrite 90% of the story after you've already designed the world and the characters and expected it to still be a good story, it just proves that the story was never the focus. Which is fine, WuWa does plenty things better than both GI, HSR and ZZZ, but when it comes to the story, it's such a huge step down from even PGR that it's baffling that the same company worked on it. This is what happens when you try too hard to replicate aspects of another game without accounting for the reason why it worked there in the first place and the years of work and care that goes into it.
Genshin storytelling is bad, but at least after all that shit filler and unnecesary yapping there is a decent story + a good plot with khaenria dainsleif etc
Wuwa storytelling is ass, characters are ass, story is ass, has a lot of unnecesary yapping and filler, no good plot, episodic quest
Its the definition of 0/10 story on gacha industry, and thats ignoring the harem and rover simping
@@Tilin2461 what shit filler?
Also gacha games CAN HAVE GOOD STORIES. Look at FGO and GBF.
And look whatever slop western game stories have became now. Genshin has WAY BETTER stories and narration than the slop thats Veilguard and Dustborn combined 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Tilin2461bait use to be believable
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Unexpected stray shot at the game aside; Tetsuya Nomura didn't write NEO: The World Ends With You. That was Akiko Ishibashi and I'm a bit confused on where your assumption even originates from.
Absolutely my bad! He produced the game, not wrote it. I should have double checked that. Maybe I thought he wrote it because he was like, THE name attached to the marketing. Lol
@@StrayMaverick🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
originates from his arse, my man go for double taco before making any videos.
look at his channel the dude can't think beyond genshin
@@StrayMaverickLook at this clowning loser
@@StrayMaverick you not alone, sometimes is hard to pin point what a producer does, i mean i got flag when critic the direction 7 remake took and all jump on me was the other guy .... but stil, when see Nomura in big letter in credits, is a bad omen
1.4 and wuwa still have it's problem in the story, what improve is in the presentation, but the writing still baffled me, Character have No interaction with other people (other than the MC) and they kept adding up new complicated terms that not really play anything for the narrative , the exposition is just there to just filling up times
Like this game cannot stop glazing the self insert MC it's actually insane.
Kuro painted themselves in bad spot beside the story. They now have to design their maps around wall-running and flying (wuwa 2.0) capabilities they gave to their dopamine-deprived user base. Imagine designing a breath taking environment only for your players to swoosh right through them. Like what they do with the stories.
@@jiffonbuffo You made me realize why climbing the highest mountain peak in Wuva is such a meh feeling
@@jiffonbuffo *> They now have to design their maps around wall-running and flying (wuwa 2.0) capabilities they gave to their dopamine-deprived user base. Imagine designing a breath taking environment only for your players to swoosh right through them*
That's not how it works tho. For many, including me, flying was what made open-world exploration fun again. I legit almost stopped using teleport waypoints and just flew my way to the destination from where i currently am, and that adds a lot of organic exploration elements, because i actually saw a lot more of the map this way. Where in Genshin i'd just teleport to the closest waypoint and always do the same exact trip from it to the desired destination, in WuWa 2.0 my route was always different and that actually helped me find a lot more spots of interest. Unlike my experience with Genshin, it never even felt like i was purposefully exploring, it was just that all of the flying around the map i did somehow brought me to almost 100% exploration.
The other point about flying is that it actually allows you to apprerciate the scenery even more, from much more angles and points that would not be possible to reach without flying. And the last point is that flying is just way more fun and engaging mechanically than just running. I've spent hours flying around Rinascita, just admiring the scenery and having fun with controlling the flight (which is seriously fun, as it has great implementation, not clunky at all, feels smooth and dynamic, you're always on the move, you have stuff like inertia and even gravity to keep in mind, and you don't feel cockblocked by some BS mechanics or long recharge timers or whatever, almost 10/10 for the mechanical execution). This gadget was quite literally one of the best things that 2.0 brought and i'm genuinely so happy that it was added in the game.
And don't even get me started on the wall running. I still have PTSD from all of the slow and painfully boring wall climbing i had to do in Genshin. How can someone defend this is beyond me. Literal hours of my life wasted just climbing, and once again, it sometimes deterred me from exploring more, because the climb is painful and long, and i don't even know if there's even something of interest up there to begin with. Climbing for several minutes just to find out that it was for literally nothing sucked. Slow ass climbing and running in Genshin were always my biggest pet peeves about exploration in this game, the only saving grace was my exploration team with C1 Yelan, Kazuha and an another anemo for the double anemo resonance buff. And even then it felt bad and really restrictive, and to even get that somewhat bearable experience, you'd need to pull three limited 5*s.
i dont get the hate comments i feel like this video is just someone taking the thoughts out of my head and putting them on the screen
even when i went into a wuwa discord and asked some questions about the main story i was more or less told it wasnt worth bothering with it 💀
because Wuwa players cant take criticism , kinda sad
because wuwa players are the same people that praise the skip button to hell and back. they don't give a damn about the quality of their game's story
As a guy who exclusively plays Wuwa...
The beginning of the Wuwa's story is what DC did when it tried to catch up to Marvel's gigantic headstart. That Wuwa battle pose reminded me so much about the DC's JL pose that I literally guffawed.
And since you've not gone beyond 1.1 here, I'll kind of warn you that 1.2 is really jarring. This is because from all the rushed catching up Kuro seems to be trying, 1.2 literally comes to a screeching halt. However, post Mt. Firmament they've seemingly switched towards a more 'character-centric' narrative which they seem to carry out quite effectively until they go off the rails on the harem-protagonist route.
e.g. in Changli's story, it is actually pretty well-done for a gacha game AND well told for the medium. You derive a pretty interesting dynamic between her and Rover and...WHOA she starts flirting with him/her in 1.2. That is just...not done.
1.3. would've been perfect in my eyes if Shorekeeper was exclusive with her fangirling over Rover. Interesting (albeit not novel) viewpoints on logic and emotions was brought up and also questions on free-will and what not. Very reliable topics, that are difficult to mess up - and they did it pretty well for a gacha game tbh. The 'love story' between Rover and Shorekeeper would also have been pretty okay in my eyes as well - if we didn't have Yangyang, Changli, Yinlin doing those doe eyes towards Rover already.
And I always say, let Kuro cook. Because they fucking cook well. They listen, they promise - and they actually deliver. But when they start listening to people who say that the story is goddamn flawless...i.e. when they listen to people who like eating shit - you can't really blame Kuro for cooking shit.
Okay rant over. I don't know you, nor have watched any of your other videos. But I do hope more people come out and actually raise their standards so that Genshin or even HSR isn't considered as pinnacles of storytelling when they are nothing but yapfests. Kuro needs to be much better and them not being able to meet even Genshin standards is something I believe to be extremely appalling.
I swear I felt isekai chick magnet protagonist vibe from rover.
its dogshit
After 1.4 still suck，just all chicks want to say I love you
After watching the vid, and having played both games, I still cannot fathom why wuwa glazers call gi's storytelling a yapfest, when literally, they're the same if not worst + harem fanservice. Honest to god.
i agree about the part that kuro will cook given the right feedback
I'm literally in the middle of Shore Keeper's story bc I needed to take a break. Wuwa's story is so buns. This story has added negative aura to Shorekeeper. Every character is a glazer and a gooner for the Rover. They use 3 paragraphs of vocabulary words when a better writer could've done it in a sentence. Such a nice world and such a terrorist attack of storytelling
came back here after playing thru the new story, it's so bad. a lot of glazing and info dumping. no amount of 21:9 aspect ratio cutscenes could save the writing.
Oop looks like someone needs paimon 🤭🤭
@@Ilovefood-wu3vmwhen a game with *paimon* has a better story than this, that’s how you know this shit is bad 😂
@@Ilovefood-wu3vm oop looks like someone can't take any criticism
@@donutmago8760 give a summary of the story let's what you get right
@@Ilovefood-wu3vm wouldn't having paimon make it more info dumping which completely missed the point of his criticism.
I actually thought for character designs, characters like Changli were a step in the right direction, esp. with a better use of color templates. I don't think the initial cast's art design is as bad as you said in the video, but I do think they also improving with each patch.
Yeah they are, the latest event story is pretty good too. My only gripe is the optimization, the game is still laggy af.
Xiangli yao design is still pretty bad. They could've done so much better with him. Zezhi design is good though.
@@Neoorooon I do agree currently, more effort in art direction is being put into new females rather than males. Understandably, it is "generally easier" to earn higher sales for females compared to males, so I can somewhat understand their dev's strategy. I think things may get more "balanced" in a couple more patches, we'll see.
@@Neoorooon Yao design have more detail and polygon, even better shadowing.
my man look majestic ingame, calling it bad is just wrong.
Agreed. Unique color combinations and color pallets give a cool look to the character design, as I thought for Changli and Camellya. I do see a heavy usage of whites and grays in character color pallets and hope to see some variety in color mixing. I like the black and red or black and blue color combination.
After playing their PGR wuwa really disappointed me with their writing, character and world design, and especially music. wuwa started to give what I thought it would only in 1.3. Black shores is amazing so far. When it isnt trying to be Genshin it gets better.
Did you like chapter 1-8? It's about the same as where WuWa is
I've came back just to say that WuWa 2.0 is one of the best chapters in gacha storytelling💯 Y'all doubters can't tell us NOTHIN now🗣😤
Im cracking up at just with how many people in the comments are like “I was agreeing with you, until you brought up Genshin. Now I can’t agree anymore”
PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!
It's because of tribalism. Which is dumb because they only see the guy as a hater and not someone who wants the game to improve.
@@starstruck8862 yea and it’s not like he doesn’t criticize geshin
@@zombycookie1512 Yeah, it makes me feel like a lot of the hate is from *tourists*
@starstruck8862 buddy using the word tourist unironcally in this context just means ur exposing urself to be odd im sorry
they want to satisfy the incels so much they turned their characters into soulless trash, shorekeeper the most trash gacha game character I've seen in a while her entire existence is basically to please the incels with how shallow her personality is, you're supposed to compete with genshin but instead you made their stories and characters looks like a masterpiece, so shit
But she is hot though aint gonna lie
Natlan made any gacha a masterpiece tbh
@@WetSquirrel at the very least, Genshin still has Sumeru and Fontaine going for it. Here's hoping WuWa only gets better as time passes by, unlike Genshin that became peak w/ Sumeru and Fontaine and suddenly became dogshit bcs of Natlan (Obligatory "Fuck Da Wei" btw)
And you still got that stupid bickering Emergency Food called "Paimon" all over the place.
These two games need to exist in the gatcha game space because Wuthering Waves will push Hoyoverse to make required upgrades in the game as well it will also make it so that Wuthering Waves keep improving the overall game so that they can survive in the space.
I recentrly tried WuWa after starting my first Gacha Game (ZZZ) and I just can't find myself getting into it. Maybe ZZZ is the problem because the animations and the cast just oozes with personality. One thing I have to admit though is that I went at it hesitantly since Open World Games (in that scale) often scare me away.
Compared to WW, one of ZZZ's strength is that character interact with each other alot regardless of faction. That's why IMO the setting of ZZZ's world pops out more personality compared to WW's
It's so strange for me, i waited patiently for ZZZ for like 2 years and then started playing from a launch day, and then later desided to play WW like 3 month after its launch, and now i kinda debate myself on droping ZZZ because of lack of time and game being booring, and especially if Arknights Endfield is going to release in the middle of next year and end up be a good game, then ZZZ going to get sacked for me if its not going to pick its game up, it's boring but i can't explain why, yes it's pretty, amazingly animated and directed, but, its like the world and story is made in a way that nothing ever happens in the end, its like endless filler episode, no progress or it's painfully minimal. Iam going to hope that a hyped 1.4 patch story that going to release this week, is going to progress story satisfyingly enough from a stale place it is now. And from that going to decide if i continue playing.
You should try genshin tbh
As time consuming and deadbrain Open World mechanics are them being interwoven with Gacha mechanics makes them so much worse. Stick with ZZZ. And don't play more than a Gacha at any given time. They'll take over most of your free time and none will be left for playing "real" games and your other hobbies.
@@doedoel035 They kinda have to given the lore, all the taking inside one city .
I implore people in the comments to please have better standards for yourself in regards to storytelling. Expecting and being ok with a game's intro being mediocre or 'at least better than x-that-i-don't-like' isn't something y'all should be proud of.
It's ok to not like the story or parts of it that aren't done well and still like the game. Even if Kuro games is the scrappy underdog, it's still a game/product designed to take your time and money. Conceding that it doesn't matter if WuWa fails it's intro or not because you're used to stories that arbitrarily take basically years to get good is kind of sad. "Other Gacha games do the same thing!" is not the defense y'all think it is.
Buddy have it ever come to you guys that people just think it was just not ok? I mean the story was kinda bloated with terms at first but it was ok to follow, the gameplay kept people interested enough so people could find scar, besides some bloated terms i think the pacing the gameplay and the world was ok, crowless fight, up to the first echo, metting jihsi's hologram, reaching jinzhou, metting baizhi and dreamless was really not that dificult to follow, i my opinion things only got kinda complicated when we needed to solve jinhsi's puzzle but after meeting scar it was more interesting.
Sure it wasnt anything impressive but its not like its bad either bro
@@marceloaugusto2335 Not once did I say it was complicated or difficult to follow; I watched everything and could follow the story perfectly fine based on what they were trying to do but, as the video mentions, the emotional beats, which the game absolutely is 'trying' to land, fall on their face because of how the writing fails to build any genuine rapport within its cast. For example, when Yangyang offers to sacrifice herself to stay behind at the end of Act VI, were you in anyway concerned for her safety, be it because you liked the character or because you felt that she was in any actual danger in the first place? When Rover has visions of all of the friends they've made in the past, like, 3 days and unlocks the havoc mode against dreamless, did you actually feel anything other than 'cool wing!' when it flashed to characters that, quite literally, did not exist in the story until 5 minutes ago?
Let me reframe it; is there any way you would 'recommend' the story of Wuthering Waves on its own merits, not the commonly stated 'it's better than Genshin's 1.0!' argument people slide into? 'Good Enough' (which I don't even really think it is) is not a shield from criticism, which is the point of the video.
The gameplay did the hard carrying here, that much we can fully agree on.
@@Renteka-Bond So your problem is with emotional attachment to the characters then, alright. And i only said it was relatively easy to follow because alot of people even in this video's comments are pointing that it was hard paying attention to the flow of the story which i disagree but anyway
You are right that the game on its 1.0 version dont have much drama in the narrative, but the thing is it doesnt have to have it...
I mean for the first few hours you are only expected to understand the basics of how things work lore wise and gameplay wise. There is a argument to be made when it comes to act 6, since act 1 to 5 where pratically only presenting characters you are going to know latter. But the thing is that alot of its narrative works with the rule of cool, which means cools scenes, cool fights and somewhat of a fast pace, at least for acts 5 and 6. And this works pretty well for most people, i mean any stream you watch even most recent one like Gigguk they do agree the plot is entretaining since there is so much happening, therefore there is no drama
But regarding your points on the trials of the game to build emotinal connection i will have to disagree to a certain level, i do think yangyang offering to stay behind, not sacrifice itself since she expects you and jiyan defeat thernodian she just put her life on line so that you have a reason to fight seriously narrative wise, i personally felt somewhat compelled because she and the other girls where in fact the only people you meet since you wake up in Solaris-3 and also the people who were the closest to you, and i can also have enough empathy to know Rover must have definely felt that since by now they do be the people he/her trust the most which made sense
I will however agree that the scene where Rover turns Havoc, there were some characters that were unecessary, but still i can somewhat understand, take X-men origins Wolwerine for example after Logan get out of the facility that gave him his adamantium claws he meet a couple of old people for just a few days, or hours i dont remember exactly, but when they are killed it's already enough to make him feel very sad and he isnt even amnesiatic like Rover, so i can understand where Rover is coming from.
Again alot of things in 1.0 that are not strickly gameplay or lore dump work by rule of cool instead of drama, but they do work for most people atleast basead on live streams and online reactions overall
I can also understand why some people like you and other can be dissatisfied since 1.0 seemed like a already complete story or arc by itself and since there was alot of characters that were not developed properly(Yuan Wu) or plainly didnt ever appear(Calcharo, Danjin etc) it can feel like wasted pontential since it could have been greater and yes i also agree with that they could have holded Dreamless fight a patch or two, but it was still a introductory patch and in my opinion it managed to stabilish that part of the world, some groups and their dynamics, and the overall plot progression that is discovering who are you, if you are the hero from before, or maybe not? And what does all these groups want with you
Summarizing i think it was a good introduction overall, it might have been i bit too much for some, other think it wasted potential but in my opinion, and alot of other it seems by the live streams, it managed to be a entretaining introduction
And anwsering your question: Yes i would recommend because aside from the initial dialogues, and i've read much worse manhwas and manhuas to be fair, it has good potential and it was entretaining. A good way to be sure for someone is to just watch the dialogues and cutscenes of 1.0 in youtube, without playing the game, and figuring it out for themselves.
@@Sardo12121 I don't, lol. Me thinking Wuwa has a shitty first act has nothing to do with MHY, especially since I think they suck too. At least try to defend WuWa on its own merits.
@@marceloaugusto2335 I understand that rule of cool is enough for some people, which, fair enough for them. I personally don't, though, especially in regards to as a defense. I think it's fine to like it anyway because you think it's cool, but I think liking it and thinking it has a particular level of quality are 2 different things; to clarify, this would be saying it's fine that it doesn't hit the mark because it looked cool, which is Starter WuWa 's saving point.
My issue isn't that it doesn't have drama, it's that it tries to act like it does when it doesn't. The aforementioned Yangyang sacrifice scene is an example of the story attempting to have weight both without earning it and with the meta knowledge that they won't actually kill her this early, which is why, to me, it fails. It tried to have its cake and eat it too without actually creating the batter.
Edit: Another example of attempts at Drama is the lauded first Scar scene. Scar shows up, kidnaps Yangyang and tries to get you (Rover and the Player) to be suspicious of Jinzhou, except at this point in the story, every character 'except' the members of his organization has been nothing but nice to you. The attempt at creating intrigue or doubt in the city falls almost completely flat (the child backstory you get is interesting) because nothing you've actually experienced has given you a valid reason to cast any doubt on the people who have never done a single bad thing to you by this point.
The number of terms that were shoved in the FIRST act made me feel like I had to learn the whole history of China in just 5 minutes, it didn't help that said terms were served by what seemed to be a robot acting as a human, those poor VA's were done dirty, although I hear that redubs were done, wonder how it is this time
Lmao I really should've counted every new term the game explains within the Prologue because I feel like it has to be a shocking amount
It's not a cultural problem, as a Chinese, I also have no clue what those characters are talking about. And I saw most Chinese players are headaches about those massive new concept words.😂
There was redubs? I recently went back it still sounded so bland to me
PLEASE GUYS If you still like the game report theses issues in game to wake the dev up about the poor writing of their story so they can improve
This! So far they've improved a lot even in the current filler festival quest. I also disagree with some of what Mav mentioned. Like calling Changli's appearance unwarranted just to sell a new character when she was foreshadowed in the earlier acts. Doing her story quests even ties to that fact.
Also, funny that he complained about Changli but didn't mention Shenhe. Her appearance in the appearance of the water monster (forgot the name) is a blatant advertisement.
With that being said, I'm hopeful for the future. Gacha stories, especially in the beginning are often slow and meandering. And I'd take a bad start than a bad fundamental plot. Cause as much as I love Genshin's lore and some of the story, the issue with its story-telling is foundational. While I've already seen WuWa improve on that.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente"channel dedicated to all that is hoyoverse" expect a lot of bias
@@hijodelsoldeorienteThat was osiel's wife.
@@yuno4340when smth popped up in my mind, I write a feedback to kuro everyday lol..At least Customer service always reply.
@ehe9519 theres no biased here in this channel buddy,he has criticized hoyo games for a while,but sure go ahead and dismiss every criticism towards ur beloved wuwa just because hes what you cornballs call a "tourist"
I knew coming back to read these comments would be absolute cinema, imma be honest wuwa fanboys here are delusional its almost sad 🤣
I’m back again lmao. Please do one of these now that Natlan AQ quest is over. I’m soooo curious to hear your thoughts on it.
Also now that 2.0 WuWa has started would love another WuWa vid about Renacita once it’s over too.
Although I definitely enjoy the combat and mobility features in WuWa, it has shallow storytelling, dialogues, and characterization. I agree with what you said about the characters feeling like templates or robots, acting too cool or cute or flirty, instead of having interesting personality and substance. It's the main reason i can't fully immerse in the WuWa world. If the plot is weak, why would I be motivated to fight and explore?
I keep playing it, because it's a relatively new game that's still building its lore and characters. But for now, honestly, it feels like a chore. I hope it gets better.
1.0 is sleeper story but 1.1 changli is what keep me playing this game
The problem when you already lost people that badly it’s very hard to get back their interest I had hard time caring as I cared about nothing that happend before.
I thought i was the only ones who got pissed while playing the story because it was super bad. So far i only did act 1 and it starts something then goes different route. Wtf just happened
This is a terrible “review” that just takes the most negative possible perspective throughout. By this logic, almost every gacha game is uniquely terrible
You’ve got demonstrably false claims too. Take 27:40 - the Jue incident was introduced all the way back in Act 4, and we’ve building up to finding out why
So it’s pretty obvious this “reviewer” went into this with a blatant agenda, either to get upvotes from haters of the game or to gain attention from stirring up controversy
Genuinely curious if you actually play and enjoy the story. Because I'm actually shocked that there are people who think it's good. Never thought saying this game's story was bad was a "controversial" take. Lmao
@@StrayMaverick Yes, I did enjoy the story. First 2 acts were atrocious -- everybody agrees about that -- but the story finds its feet by act 3 and continues to get better from there, culminating in a rushed but great Act 6. Act 7, patch 1.1, was excellent (and has been incredibly well-received -- it's what overturned the sentiment in China), and the Moon-Chasing Festival was a genuinely enjoyable period of downtime that had its own interesting story for Xiangli Yao and also allowed fans to spend time with fan favourite characters (with romantic undertones). This just sounds like you have an agenda given the enormous contrast with everyone else's reaction and this overly negative review was clearly not done in good faith. I believe you know that yourself.
I literally have no clue how other people view this story. I made the video based on how I viewed the story from my own critical lens. That's it. No "agenda." Lol
@@johnhallow Girl, it's a valid review of a bad story. Just because you coped with it and liked it doesn't mean it was good. I don't like the skip button, I hate what it stands for, but you know what. In 1.1 I've had it, the story was grinding into a hault, I've missed nothing important and I just spammed that skip button. It was so boring. The only part I cared to listen to was Jinshi's part, that's it. I didn't skip any quest prior, I gave the story a chance, even tho I should have skipped because everything from ACT 1 to 6 was a waste of everyone's time. If the writers don't care enough to flesh out their world and give me a skip button then I'll just skip everything. And I don't like that. What's the point of playing a long time story game if the story is a dumpster fire?
@@kawaiimika7974 Lmao, absolute nonsense. You're free to dislike the story. As the saying goes, "You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches." But there is an astronomic difference between "I don't like the story", and "the story is bad because I say so" and then listing a bunch of one-sided nitpicks. It's also silly to act like your opinion is a fact that precludes everyone else's
"Show, don't tell" is a famous technique known for its universal effectiveness. You should learn about it and do it with your videos.
I'm just being told stuff with no context, no further elaboration on why something doesn't work, with analysis getting cut off by dad jokes as if I have attention span problems and need to be engaged (like I didnt see this was a 30 min video). I haven't played GI so when I see you show me cutscenes of that game and then WuWa where characters are just standing there talking in both and just say "the former is good, the latter is bad" I have no idea why and am just lost. I have to do all the work myself as this vid leverages near to nothing.
Also find it wild how in a video about story you criticize the game's character designs for being made primarily with appeal and not their history, and then showing me Jean, a knight (i think) who fights with her top area exposed, like that's not an highly vulnerable area during battle, but we don't care because she's pretty like all characters in these games, it's not just WuWa who should get shade for this and as a major complaint at that.
This video feels like it's made to appeal to those who agree with you and not to try to enlighten those who don't. My time was wasted.
Well-said.
Tell me you're not really sure what "show, don't tell" means. That technique is used for stories. It literally has no place in an analysis and actually has quite literally nothing to do with the rest of what you said. Lol
As for the "no context" on why the beginning of Genshin is better, you're just gonna have to rewatch that portion again. I very clearly elaborate why the beginning of Genshin is better, even for people who haven't played that game. I state it's better because it establishes the overarching hook AND connects it to the first arc in an efficient way, whereas Wuthering Waves meanders and has a hard time establishing a clear emotional hook to the story. If you're lost while I'm speaking, perhaps that's a problem with your comprehension and not a problem with what I'm saying.
@@StrayMaverick "Show, don't tell" can definitely be applied to non-stories. Yes, it is a technique used for narratives, but it is also a writing technique that can be applied to other texts. In an analysis, I see Telling as saying "this is bad" and Showing as saying "X happens, it doesn't make sense because of Y, so it's bad". Lengthier? Yes. More nuanced? Most definitely. Your videos are already long so I know you could make the effort. Also, this video in itself has an underlying a narrative, with you explaining stuff in a sequence that builds upon itself. Dismissing it as something for stories only is disrespectful to all the writing you did for this. I also used the term because the visual language of this video is simple but it doesn't do it many favors. "Why is this bad?" is what I should learn, but neither the overly generalized commentary ("this thing is bad like everything is bad") or the clips on screen help me do so (I would actually have liked some on-screen text here and there).
When I was talking about "no context" I wasn't refering to this bit specifically. I can't say that your description of GI's start is flawed, I couldn't possibly know. Even if I think you might have been a bit rough, full of hyperbole and not giving the same accurate description of events during WuWa's start, that's not my issue. Like I said, I can't know why a scene in GI with Amber and Kaeya talking is better than the one with Jinhsi and Changli doing the same, and I can't know why Zhongli's silhouette has more character than anyone else in WuWa. Without context shown to me, all I have is your word which, in all good faith, can be unreliable. This is what makes me lost. You speak as if all share the knowledge of events in both games when it isn't the case. You talk about Hoyo games, so it's normal to assume your audience knows about those games, but new people won't. I shouldn't have to do homework for this video, and if I did and played GI, this video would still have little to offer me.
That's not “show, don't tell”, that's literally just the definition of making a valid argument; If A then B. And that's what the entire video does. I painstakingly go through several reasons for why I think the story is “bad” and give reasons as to why I define said things as “bad.” I actually don't know how to explain that I'm making arguments here without just literally copying from the script. But that brings back my initial point; just rewatch the video. I really should not have to explain that my 30 minute review states WHY something is bad and gives reasons for it, because each section in the video absolutely does.
Nothing requires pre-knowledge about Genshin. I quite literally go through the points you NEED to know about Genshin in that section. Again, I'm having a hard time here because it's like I'm debating with someone who straight up didn't watch the video. Again, I can just pull excerpts from my script I guess? But it's literally all in the video already.
@@StrayMaverick Fine, it's not "show, don't tell". Yes, you do point several reasons it's bad, many I agree with. I agree with them because I played the game and noticed them myself, not because of the video.
I'm afraid we might have moved the goalpost a bit and I might not have been clear but this was my main problem with the video. It's like when analysing a book you should read a passage to state what's wrong with it, with a video game you should show the dialogue or what's happening in a cutscene. You give your takes about the game while playing clips in the bg, but with how little time they stay on screen, all I have is your words. I've watched this video 3 times at this point as I am actually trying to be sincere, but I'm pretty sure you didn't really pause your narration to show the game failing at telling its story, only for jokes, the voice acting stuff and one Yangyang bit during the riddle stuff. Maybe it's your style, and that's fine, but in my judgment it makes for frustrating analysis. I'm left waiting for those bad moments to get the spotlight on them and for me to catch the flaws you have pointend out, but it never happens. And about Genshin, I did get that the story is better and they do more effective character work minus that "character development gets frozen" stuff. But how? You were bringing up GI's execution and I also wanted to see it, even if for only 5s, so I can clash it with WuWa's. I'm told the points, I'm not shown them.
Now, I know I was dramatic on that first comment, and I might not have spoken straight, but please don't take time of your day to show me the script to convince me. It's actually a really sweet move, but I'm just not worth said effort. I'll just note a few problems I had with your points and hopefully this doesn't escalate further (I'm not used to typing so much on yt).
I don't think the whole "the reverse rain could be used to leverage rover's lost memories" makes much sense. In the story they continuously say we have no memories, not that we have, like, locked memories inside our head. The illusions are created from the mind os someone affected and ours is basically empty, there are no illusions that could come from the mc.
After talking about Jinhsi's backstory you said it became clear the game does little to no setup before events in the plot, and I'm just kind of lost. There's no need to clarify, I think I get the idea, it's more like the timing when you point out this issue doesn't feel right, taking the point made earlier and that you don't give an example afterward. This kinda coincides with my main issue with the vid.
I hope after this all is good and clear.
I like to think that rover would be similar to the doktah (theory?) where his previous self before the amnesia already set everything up and preplaced scenarios to control his after amnesiac self to do what he needs to happen, and its for a bigger purpose relating to the eye controlling the mommy threnodian and the goddess from the beginning. But thats just a head canon
It is eluding to some kind of regression story, but we don't know what kind yet.
Bro skipped the entirety of arknights story text
The world being post apocalyptic doesn't mean you must be hostile toward unconscious stranger, you know.
It's not like we're wearing Exile or Fractsidus uniform, we're just resonator with foreign attire. Bringing us to the city to get our terminal checked is the right action to take, just like Amber decide to escort Traveller to Mondstadt.
It's not well delivered but it make sense.
Isn't Genshin technically a post-apocalyptic story with a fantasy/Isekai setting? So, why is it alright when in Genshin characters are friendly towards the traveler even though they are an unknown person who could be part of the Abyss order, but when WuWa does it it's bad? I understand liking the CBT 1 story but the points he made seemed to come from a extremely biased point of view
@@Goobermanguydude I don't know about Genshin Impact being post-apocalyptic. One thing for sure people associates that word with wasteland and people fighting for resources Mad Max style. That's probably what shaped his view.
@@Goobermanguydude genshin story did NOT started like that, matter of fact genshin story started with amber telling us how suspicious we are and how weird our name is, and then after we find stormterror invading mondstadt kaeya LITERALLY SAYS "a new ally or perhaps a new foe?" So genshin story unironically started completely different from this where people find us and automatically aids us, and trust us instantly, a handful of characters quite literally don't trust us, its once we do SOMETHING like getting stormterrror out of mondstadt or being presented by amber when we gain some "trust", and its crazy how i remember that i played in 1.0, gotta mean someting lmao
@@NFYT yeah but amber instantly switched up at that moment, and kaeya too. It's alright to admit that Genshin has a lot of traveller glazers, yes there are some people that aren't, like Raiden Shogun (at the beginning of inazuma quest at least) and Arlecchino but that doesn't mean the majority didn't
And also Jinhsi already knew about Rover since Jue predicted it. She knew the main trio would find Rover there and asked to bring them to Jinzhou as their "important guest"
I agree on some of the points but Genshin's storytelling is efficient? I've played this game since Inazuma and it's not efficient at all. Even world quests these days takes 2 to 3 hours when it can be done in an hour.
The beginning of the game absolutely is efficient. Not saying the story overall
@@StrayMaverick ah that's a fair assessment.
@@abby_ter0611
I never do genshin world quests lol. I will say the AQ post inazuma is like a different game, massive jump in quality.
Bro u gotta understand paimon needs to yap it needs 2- 3 hours for that😂😂
I disagree that it's been bad SINCE Inazuma, I think Inazuma was bad, but I think the story for GI has it's highs and lows and absolutely LOADS of things to discover organically though books and item descriptions. I truly love the narrative of GI, and I'm struggling a bit with the exposition dump happening in WuWa in chapter 1, voice acting aside. I'm playing it and spending money on it because I really love Kuro. They have a unique take on games, and I like how they listen to the players, where HoYo is dogwater that tries to scalp it's player base. But I really do love the world of Teyvat even though everyone is shades of white. 😅😅
So the story of 1.1 is about how jinshi has to fight jue and “upgrading” her power power and might die trying but she had to do for saving the island.
And you didn’t like it because they explain her backstory and what is happening
+ because they didn’t explore the story of changli when she have her own personal quest?
Modifica:
The fact that we pass a lot of the time in the cave is personal preference becouse i like more staying in a cave resolving riddle like i’m unsealing a powerfull creature rather than Genshin where you mindlesly go from point A to B
His complaints are not about them explaining her backstory, its the lazy way they showed it.
Same thing about Changli, its not about her having her own story quest where they flesh her out more, its about the fact that we spent something like 50% of the quest with her, and they do little to nothing with her in that time beyond just introducing who she is and how she relates to the current situation.
There is no conflict, no growth, she is just there, the fact you could remove her and most of the story would remain the same is the problem.
@@qaztim11 ...lazy? No conflict? No growth? Are we playing the same game? Also, how can you remove Jinhsi or Changli from their quest? There would be no story to tell without them in it.
@@qaztim11 changli has the role of a guide and she has to take us to point A to point B and explain what is happening she doesn’t need to have growth, the part of conflict is done in a previus voice mail that we hear at the end of the 1.0 story quest and sometimes she question her decision.
her role is simply to excort us not necessarily every character has to have a spotlight in a story and if you add one it would feal filler or forgettable.
And if you remove from the story it doesn’t make sense how we found the secret hideout and it would make no sense how the evil guy didn’t find us
@@franky1623 After seeing the video its quite obvious that his purpose is slandering. Also its not genshin impact if u want to know about a character there is a dedicated story quest for knowing them well (unlike genshin). And he talked about retract rain effects (which were well described and illustrated) but instead he choose to spread misinformation.
Misinformation that he spread
Retroact rain effects
Purpose of showing characters that dont have any role in the story(every character that we see in story plays important role they have litteral cutscenes for that)
Why he didn't go to mt firmament
Why was he asked to help with threnodian
How he got havoc power( because he absorbed it)
Role of mortefi and baizhi
@@masterk429 yeah i noticed that a little late it’s pretty much a hate video passed of as a review
Over all i just hope the WuWa team become more confident with thier story telling and stop listening to the waifu cryers. There were legitimate critiques on the pacing but the characters personality should have never changed from CBT 1. Now everyone seems so bubly that is collides with the storeous theme of wuwa.
After seeing contents from CBT 1 it just made me so angry that we lost so much lore and story and good character writting. For example i believe from the CBT 1 there was a sort of flash back the explains the rovers origin.
Absolutely!
I fear that theyre in too deep with their current playerbase.. 1.3 gosh.. what even was that. if they do plan to add more intrigue and possibly conflict with the main character would scare away their current CN (im looking at you china) playerbase and they dont have a fresh supply of new playerbase.
Reading these comments and watching the vid made me realize how much people really needed Paimon to explain everything to them. Its crazy. HSR and Genshin also had these word dumps and expo dumps.
If you think I give those games a pass for their exposition, then this has to be your first video of mine. Lol
That's because GI players are simpe dumb and think if Paimon explains them it's a good story instead of the story telling you it naturally. 😅
Don’t get me wrong, I understood most of the dialogue just fine but please explain why they couldn’t just call the ultimate an ultimate 🤣 why is it resonance liberation? They used mouthy synonyms for simple terms and it did nothing for the narrative besides cause confusion.
@@EclipticRaisin You're liberating the resonance energy from their tacet mark. That's why the marks vibrate and move when you have full energy.
@@EclipticRaisin
Lol, that's just a reason for reading comprehension
Resonance = prolonged sound
Liberation = released, free
Resonance Liberation = A prolonged sound is released
You do know that WuWa's world is sound oriented right?
0:25 Saying you make combat guides while having footage in the background of you half way past the A rank towards B rank is wild.
Lmao I needed footage, okay!?
@@StrayMaverick Y-yeah... you're just letting us know what to avoid... right?
4:04 Not this overarching goal again. Characters must have motives for them to do something in the story sure, but that motives doesn't have to be the main plot.
Beside character driven story where MC chasing tangible goal like do or be something serve as the plot, there also plot driven story where the MC just move along the plot. Both are valid writing.
Rover has motive, which is to rediscover their memory and they're following what the plot serve for them to get there, which is Jue and it's prophecy. That's a story alright. You can like one more than the other, that's your preference, but that doesn't make it objectively better.
You shown Bleach Brave Souls there, do you believe Bleach is worst because Ichigo doesn't have overarching goal unlike Naruto and Luffy who's chasing their dream as the main plot?
Never said the motive has to be the main plot, but Wuthering DOES make Rover's memory recovery the main plot. It's the element that's weaved into major moments. My point was that it's very, very sloppy, and we aren't given much reason to care.
Even plot driven stories have character motivations, like you said. Character motivations need to be attached to, obviously, what a character is doing. Otherwise their actions don't make sense, and they cease becoming a well realized character. Even tho Bleach is not a story about Ichigo reaching some grander goal, every arch has larger character oriented reasons for him doing what he does. Take the Soul Society arc. He wants to save Rukia because the previous arc set up their relationship. Now imagine he just doesn't know Rukia, and isn't given a character oriented reason to go to the Soul Society. That would be similar to how Wuthering treats most of its characters.
@@StrayMaverick You said Genshin's setup is better because it gives overarching goal right of the bat. My point is, that's just mean you prefer character driven archetype.
The fact is plot driven story like Bleach and Wuthering Waves not meant for us to care about what the MC wants, but for the plot to slowly reveal who they're and satisfy our curiosity.
So, you're comparing apple with orange and claiming one is better.
Rover's plot is also set up right from the bat. Again, the game IS about his lost memories. The comparison to Genshin is to show how that type of setup is done well, versus Wuthering, where it's not. Again, if Rover didn't have the memory plot and that wasn't in every arc, then you'd be right. But it is.
@@StrayMaverick Rover is mysterious figure with amnesia, send to this world by goddess like figure and have the same ability as the legendary first resonator to absorb Echo. Is that not good enough setup to invoke curiosity?
We're not talking about "curiosity" here. That's a separate discussion altogether. We're talking about character motivation since the main plot IS tied to our main character. Since the main plot is Rover's memory, we should understand why he's doing what he's doing and have it link back to his memories. For all of the Prologue and Chapter 1, that isn't done well.
I think the story got better after the mc meet scar. Before that it was sooo slow and boring. Plus the way they keep shoving new words and terms into our throat like chill bro I wasn't into the story yet
Scar was a fun character! I hope we get more of him and his group in the future
Hey maverick, I hope you're alive and well. Some of the comments here were mean and even outright cruel, so I just hope you're doing fine.
Lol absolutely fine here! Keep an eye on the channel for something soon. Really appreciate the sweet comment!
There was a re dub i think and the English voicelines did improve, especially the female character voicelines like chixia and yangyang, the story does lack impact and depth and i do hope they do better in the future patches when more lore is available cause ive already invested a lot of my time in this game and it has amazing combats and better exploration experience it just needs to improve its story
Interesting! I'll have to look into the redub and see what I think
Idk why someone is out here praising genshin's story when it literally has none. It kept forgetting what it wrote and is just writing on the fly.
Anyone still remember Oceanid's lines? And when Nahida was released her announcement came with Neuvillete's comment about the Water Archon? Also Liben's comment about Fontaine? Which of the above comments are true about Fontaine? NONE
Anyone still remember about Beidou's letter about her voyage to Fontaine? If you even take a look at your map and the altitude you will know what is not possible.
And there is that huge mushroon that doesn't matter in Sumeru. And that recommendation letter, that person literally had a device that helped you clear the black muds in the chasm, but then apparently the follow up for the letter is that he is a nobody and the letter is of no use.
This is only a few examples that I can think of from the top of my head. And there are plenty more.
I'm definitely not sure how to answer every one of those questions, but I feel like those aren't relevant, right? A story can have holes, or have issues with consistency, but still work and be good in other ways. Saying a story has plot holes says nothing about the dialogue, character writing, coherence, theming, etc. All of that is separate. Now if plot holes super matter to you, then I can understand. But that's not what this video is about. And I don't think, nor say, nor say on my channel, that Genshin has an incredible story. Just that it has parts that really work, and has parts here that work much better than WuWa. Imo it would be wiiiild to say a story is just on its face bad because it has plot holes. There's plenty more, and 99% of stories are a mix of issues and achievements.
@@StrayMaverick Then I have one that is very relevant here.
Albedo not recognizing Scaramouche this patch. In fact if anyone, Albedo will be the one who realizes this. He is created as a clone of a descender whose fate is not determined by the stars of Teyvat, that is one of the reasons that he should not be affected as much by Irminsul.
And then even if Albedo is affected by Irminsul as much as anyone else, there is a second one. If converting Scaramouche's story into fairy tale about a cat is enough to protect his memory so that Nahida can return them to him later, then there is the whole 2.6 version, where the story about Scaramouche killing Raiden Gokaden is written as a poetry about Five Kasen and Scaramouche was referred as Kuronushi. And Albedo is the one that drew Kuronushi based on the poet. He should immediately recognize him the moment he saw him. But apparently not.
I like lore so the plot holes are getting out of hand and I definitely cannot enjoy the story anymore.
@@mareepy9810 wait albedo is a clone??? I thought he was just one of Rhiendotter's creations?
but also I feel like those examples you provided in the first comment are true, but are mostly from patches BEFORE the actual patch.
games sometimes have differing stories from time to time because the writers need to add more nuance once it is actually released/ they realize that the old explanation doesn't make sense.
Also, can you tell me more about mushrooms in Sumeru? I don't remember anything about that so I'm really impressed by your attention to detail❤❤❤
wait correction: the second point only is abt the beidou one but yeah
@@Caned_fish no, the giant mushroom that can speak in the chasm, which had no follow up whatsoever
Warm take about the weird terms,
It's more logic to not know many terms in a new world where you just arrived
And well... I lost interest on Genshin, it's good but not great, it's mid and stagnant, crumbled and lately has suffered of many retcons, like Anatole yapping i.e.
If you think EVERYONE sounds like a robot you clearly haven't heard female mc
I WILL PROTECT 🤖🤖, EVERYBODY STAND DOWN 🤖🤖
I totally agree, 1.0 was so fucking terrible... story wise (let's not talk about performance) that I didn't even try to understand the 1.1 story (Thanks kuro for the skip button, I think they are the first to understand that their writing sucks and they gave us this feature to save us suffering), but I sincerely hope they will soon correct this because although I love it combat system I don't think it will be enough to keep me hooked on the game in the medium/long term and otherwise I will 100% drop it
As much as i love this video, the comments are so much more fun to read. It can be summerised by these 4 words: kurobots, hoyoshill, trash and cope. Every comment is some variation of these words whether its from kurobots or hoyobots. Absolute cinema 😂
I know right? 🍿
I agree with pretty much everything here, and holy I am happy they fixed most of it in 2.0 lol, difference between story is like night and day-the big problem with this is that if the peak (and yes, rinascita is that good) is locked behind multiple hours of slop (and yes, as you said, Huanglong is that bad), with no fixes or rewrites in sight (rinascita proved they CAN do a great story-I legitimately don't know how they went so wrong in Huanglong though). Something that is also worthy of not, is that the story wasn't necesseraly "bad" before the rewrite-apparently, it was too dark and "hostile" for the chinese playerbase which was testing it at the time-dark and hostile both being the best description for Kuro's previous title, PGR, as well as their area of expertise, so thanks no thanks for that
i felt like this is super biased lmao.
both can be applied on the same stage:
1. Character design too did u find traveller design worse than rover i dont think thats the point u can think about.
2. Character design inspired??? every promotional video will come along with the characters banner. zhongli and jinhsi design based and inspired of china???? that doesnt look very chinese even yangfei or lingyang looks more chinese than some liyue/jinzhou chars.
3. removing yangyang also the same way you can remove paimon from the cast and let travellers voice their own word than just repetiting stuff. expositioning characters can always be removed and nothing changes
4. Genshin have paimon problem that somehow it have repetiting lines from other characters in conversation. shit making things longer than anything effective more. Genshin should do Wuwa does with abby that is not a mascot chars.
5. the linearity of forcing to join a region story is also the same for both game u forced to help and u should do that.
not to mention why would you say they introduce new characters STORY as new banner ???? THATS HOW GACHA GAME WORKS DOEEEEEE OMG AS IF HSR/GENSHIN/ZZZ/NIKKE DIDNT DOOOO THATTTTTTTTT
@@pandabbztv4776 yeah but this video is WW dedicated, why should genshin catch stray on it? This channel uploads OTHER videos catching stray ON GENSHIN, why should he talk about how WW does the same, in a genshin oriented video? You just hate genshin and it shows, saying other game does the same doesn't mean its well done, he in fact says genshin is a lot of say instead of show, if it needs to catch stary, it does on this channel
The guy is a hater, and that's just what his channel farms. Theres lots like it, and they're kind of a dime a dozen.
But i clicked on this video, because I also felt Wuwa's story was very lacking and was curious if others noticed what i had noticed.
Some things I'd like to point out about Wuwa that are not defendable, and likely play a massive role in why its story is so subpar.
The voice acting out the gate was horrific. Atrocious, I'd argue. I could count on one hand how many of the main characters were 'passable' with their voice acting. We had characters who would literally change their accents, mid-dialogue. Bouncing back and forth between accents, while sounding bored out of their minds. Even cases where some of the Npcs voice actors' genders would change while talking lol! Literally had cases where i was blatantly talking to a guy, and then suddenly around the 4th line of dialog, the guy is now voiced by a girl lol
And Yangyang, the poster girl, was the worst by a mile. And she was everywhere in 1.0. So we had to deal with her VA constantly.
That, harms a story. A lot. Voice actor delivery is major for important scenes. Some of those scenes could have really made the characters feel alive and more interesting, if their voices were just a little bit better.
An example: my favorite act in 1.0, where were introduced to Encore and Aalto. Two characters that felt really vibrant and alive with their fascinating group and dynamic. But Encore couldnt decide whether she wanted to be played by a voice actress that wanted to portray a young american child, or a adult british woman lol! Really took me out of those scenes, and more just seemed silly over how unprofessional and amateur the voice actress was lol.
Not as bad as YangYang mind you, who was like nails on a chalkboard throughout all of 1.0.
And then lets not forget the very first companion quest of the game. Tiger boy and his voice acting. The worst va in his entire quest, was himself. The NPCs sounded like they got paid more, or at least took the job more serious.
His quest was dull too. Which hurt it even more.
All in all, WuWa 1.0 was carried by its gameplay, and the devs amazing generosity and passion. Which absolutely destroys Genshin's gameplay and their devs.
But the english voice acting talent and story of WuWa is definitely much harder to defend. The best that can be said about Abby, is that at least hes not around much?
Is that a genuine compliment? The game gets praise, because a character they created (that they really didnt have to create. So many streamers groaned and rolled their eyes when Abby was introduced), is praised only because we almost never see him? That more seems like course correcting. And i cant help but notice that YangYang got so much backlash from her awful voice, that you cant help but notice you never see her anymore after 1.0 lol. Same for Tiger boy.
I mean if you like expositions robots with the most subpar voice acting feeding you information that wont matter later and leaving you with disappointment (ahem shorekeeper) then sure go ahead and defend the mediocre writing
A detail that stuck with me was that original the red hair cop was more untrusting of you, imagine winning her trust during the story,but now everyone wants to be our friend and welcome them with open arms, even the bad guys !?
I feel the dev may listen to much feedback, imagine WuWa and Genshin be the total spectrum of hear to much and not a all ....
I got baited into thinking this will cover the current story available. The main story for 1.2 is pretty strong and feels like a good setup for future events that will happen. Since they flat out info dumped a ton of stuff already in 1.0. They didn't have to go crazy about the jargons and what not.
How are ya liking 1.2 so far? I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet
That's exactly what they inteded with 1.0. Explain the basics of this world so that going forward 1.1+ people don't need a paimon 😅
@@StrayMaverick I personally liked the Main Story Quest for this patch. It was more focused on the character and their situation. I think it was a huge improvement. They kinda laid out some crumbs about future stuff and speculate what could be going on. I also like that Rover had more voice lines in this story. Definitely helps with making the thing feel less detached. Although I would still wish there were more. Haven't finished Zhezhi's story yet. I'll be playing in a while.
@@yuminanirvalen Yeah but that kinda hurt the first impressions though. I just wish they spaced it out a bit more so that way they can slowly show what each of the phenomena and jargons that mean along the way. In the CBT scenes, it shows a lot of the characters getting involved in the current Exploration Quests that we have. So I'm guessing at some point they were considered main quests.
@@yuminanirvalen HSR doesn't have a paimon, but it wasn't this bad.
I dunno if we getting more analysis, hail Kuro community
Guess i'll never be able to learn his thoughts on the rest of penacony, or even ZZZ's style of story telling. :/
Welp be safe wherever you are Stray maverick o7
Lmao keep an eye on the channel. A very large analysis might be coming soon. 👀
Could you do one of these for the newest 1.3 story? I dropped the game, and since nobody seems to care about the story enough to upload it, I'd like it if you reviewed it, so that I can know if its still trash or not
Here's a recap.
There's another island with a mysterious girl on it, but this time to the west, rather than southeast. She is a computer, rather than a dragon. She also flirts with you until you save her, as she learns to be a person with feelings. She also hints at past calamities that have nothing to do with the ongoing action. But now the world might end in a different way than the last two times it almost ended since the game launched. So, will we save the world again next patch, or will we have to wait two patches for the next cool(ish) battle sequence? Stay tuned for two months to find out!
Oh, and Jiyan is still vanished from the story :(
@@jrn913 thank you for your service 😂7
@@jrn913 wth
@@jrn913 thank you much 😂
I played through 1.1 and decided to just step away and try to let them cook until console version launches. I'll still try it but combat alone won't justify the console space if they really haven't fixed the storytelling by then.
It’s trash
Begining really suck ngl..but after meeting Scar it significantly better imo..CBT story was really special tho. it got dark theme but then again CN ruined it!!
I disagree and i hate this excuse. "Cn ruined it" - NO. CN rightfully complained about story that felt like it was trying too hard to be hostile, too edgy and frankly poorly written. When cn complained, they didn't say that story should be changed upside down, they said they should fix the mistakes and make the writing for the characters better. It was entirely on kuro to change the direction of the game instead of improving what they had.
@@kiuhh1118 yeah complained rightfully over chixia getting kneed by crownless.those violence actually matches the darker world unlike genshin where it is more for younger audience.look at geishu lins story after committing his life to save jinzhou he gets blamed for losses and jiyan becomes hero
Now I'm interested in you reviewing ZZZ story, particularly its flaws.
@@zendao7967 zzz story is actrully good and dosent exposition dump like genshin and wuwa and dosent try to stretch game time
these comments are wild lmfao i'm sorry everyone got so heated. I play wuthering waves everyday but the story is just not it for me. I liked how you broke it down in this video for the most part I agree. My hope is kuro improves more with time for wuthering waves. I heard they have better story telling in their other game it just seems like here they had a world of time crunch pain after rewrite and running out of time to release that they couldn't get their foundation polished.
Many people are throwing ad hominem attacks on the creator himself while ignoring most of the points he made on the video and bringing up irrelevant subjects
Personally I play the game mainly for the gameplay but recently I started reading the story. the story really gets gripping in act 5.
It's not that the story is bad, it's that the beginning is poorly introduced. Besides, it must be said that they have improved enormously on the writing with the continuation of the main quest in 1.1 and the Changli quest and even the quest that we have in 1.2. The problem is that you are too impatient. give them time. I remind you that Genshin wasn't that crazy either. and also arknights, the first chapters are terribly mid.
@@Zeref-n7u genshin wasn't crazy good in its early days but it was good none the less even its event quests and character story quests. Genshin went from good to great. Wuwa was laughably bad where the rule of cool is paramount. And those who said 1.1 story was a huge upgrade, well its true a 1/10 to a 3/10 is a huge 200% increase. Wuwa went from really bad to still bad but not as bad.
@@batperson3532the first patch of Genshin is dogshit:
the pace is worst than one piece character vanish faster than they arrive
The story is about a drunk man that lost his pet dragon ( yeah is boring as it sound).
And still to this day paimon don’t have her own personality just like the traveler
@@franky1623 still not worse than wuwa 1.0 also remind you genshin 1.0 was in 2020 while wuthering waves in 2024
@@JalBabazad-vf8yb it’s still shit and the game doesn’t have a good gameplay the only thing that save that game was the fact everyone was confined at home with nothing batter to do.
@@JalBabazad-vf8yb genshin 1.0 storyline: dragon is mad at people now starts attacking people then we save it by fighting the dragon. And now dragon is happy
Playing this game I couldn't stop every 10 minutes and tell my boyfriend how for every 5 lines of dialogue someone HAD to mention that I am the most SPECIAL AMAZING UNIQUE little boi that ever specialed in the whole wide world.
And I don't think the story ever stops with this??
For a post-apocalyptic world, this shocked me a ton. Nobody distrusts you basically ever. Lmao
I remember how, even before it is revealed who the "special guest" is (it was never a secret, but they at least tried to make it seem like nobody knew in-game), every NPC you talk to, calls you the special guest as if that was already common knowledge.
@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters It is pretty common knowledge. There's whole documents about us in the academy complete with a photo.
Like almost every gacha game?
@@Yuukine2365But if everyone makes a shit story does that mean your shit story is good???. In good stories you are not TOLD, you FEEL special.
- a channel dedicated to all that is hoyoverse
- why WuWa is trash
seems about right.
*States random things that have nothing to do with the video*
"Seems about right ☝️🤓"
His channel isn't actually glazing hoyoverse yk❤❤❤
Browse 3 seconds in the channel and you'll see they criticize their stories too. This isn't some kind of gotcha moment
nice criticism lmao bet you're fun at parties
Rover is just a basic OP MC with no flavor or nuance. It's boring
The only positive thing about Genshin story is there word Buildings and its lore that they built for 6 years ,but the way they tell the story is put garbage and should not be Compared with a 2 months years old game.
That's why I only compare the beginnings of both games......
@@StrayMaverick yeah because bringing up zhongli(a character you see from the start and who was in 1.0) is fair Comparison lol.
I bring him up when I talk about character designs.... Zhongli's design was also in 1.0.............
@@StrayMaverick you didn’t explain quite well how genshin is better then wuwa
You just compare the beginning and said that genshin was better becouse present the world better and than procede to tell that wuwa doesn’t elaborate the character
@@StrayMaverick Zhongli design is supposed to be good ? Jiyan completely shits on him from every angle
What ive found with most of these gacha style games, the story is always all over the place. As is the questing and story progression. Following the main story is so hard when IN main story quests you are thrown from a cutscene of the mc and other characters going over huge story building and plot building, to the characters immediately having to help a girl find some candy? In the same quest. Just for the girl to tell you a bit of info maybe on the main plot. Yet. the quest is still just "get the girl the candy" instead of progressing to the actual point and narrative of the story now that we have some info. Then after getting the candy.. your sent to talk to an old man about his countries collapse... bro where in the fuck is the special sea shell we were supposed to be looking for and what we were initially talking about?? Or did we just forget that was the main quest. Why am i talking to Danzo about sharigans right now. We were supposed to be looking for a sea shell to progress the main plot.. 🤦🏻 THEN.. after you save the old mans entire... country... you have to help a cat find a dog in the woods and cook them chicken tacos. For no fucking reason at all. Where at some point.. never know when. Youll eventually continue on the main plot and find the sea shell. This is 99% of the story in all of these types of games. Among many other story progression issues. The narrative and plots/stories could.. be amazing. If they didnt have filler episodes in the MIDDLE of main quests/plots being built
In the new story, it's literally nonsense. Yeah we lost shorekeeper, promised to find her at all cost. Yet I thought we are going to find her in the next version but didn't expect to do it right after she just lost, about 2 minutes later. What a dumb story
"The world is ending, and I love you."
"Fixed it, bye."
Repeat.
Ok you just clearly need paimon
@@Ilovefood-wu3vm I think you are the one you need paimon after seeing your channel, my god.
@@ItachiiXSaber who are you? And how do I need paimon because I don’t have a reading comprehension problem
@@ItachiiXSaber I'm still waiting for an explanation
@@Ilovefood-wu3vmif Wuwa is trash - it is trash and you can not change it. Besides combat Wuwa give you nothing to enjoy.
Only mediocre harem isekai vibes of course))
I'm certainly not expecting any bias from a channel whose description says "A channel dedicated to all that is Hoyoverse!"
(looks like bro changed his description now)
You just commented this on another comment. I can see that. Lmao. Yes, I'm certainly biased towards HoYo games because a description I made years ago says I cover those games. You've got me, detective. Take me in! 👮♂️ 🚔
so u are just going to dismiss the criticism and all the points made because the person plays another gacha game, gotcha.
@@motemo8413 Nah, do I agree with some points.
I wouldn't go as far and say its story is terrible and the focus on Genshin is a bit much for a video about another game.
Especially for example the part where he says there are parts in the story where they are just checking boxes in the story for things Genshin did.
Most of the things he says about wuwa are also in almost every gacha, it's like he's holding wuwa to standards he won't hold hoyo games lol
He has criticized hoyo games in his channel a lot. I don't see how any of the points he made stemmed from bias
Characters in wuwa story quest basically speaking..not “voice acting“..wonder where did kuro pick those VA..sounds like random twitch streamers ..referring to english
I think we all know the story needs alot of polish but some of your points were a bit reaching... and make me think you have not played a gacha game before /shrug. Im curious what your intention was in creating this video because it feels not genuine :(
My entire channel is dedicated to gacha stories and I played a lot of Wuthering Waves and wanted to review it as well! That was the largest intention. Lol
@@StrayMaverick you entire channel is dedicated to 2 hoyo games you clown
I totally agreed with you, he spitted too much, cud u at least be professional for a sec
A very interesting video for sure. While some of the questions you have asked are answered in the story, the things you talked do make sense to some degree. I don't quell on how the story progressed or anything personally. I just want it to make sense and have fun going through it. But your points are valid like the act 1-6 having no direction and no buildup. Try the story quests too they add some depth to characters and build their backstory to some degree. The story quests have been a lot better than the initial ones.
The concept of starting in a battlefield is cool and interesting to me but maybe would have been hard to implement as most people straight up want to explore or start pulling. Could be complex to pull off but would be cool af. The comments are surely going to cook you lol or at least try to. Most of what you said does make sense but would have been better if you had separated a section itself for what it needs and how it can be done better.
Personally , I like the concept of the world very much. The waves resonating in different frequencies, remaining waves and stuff feels fresh than another magic and gods, well wuwa still has gods ig. But personally, experiencing story of wuwa is more tolerable than genshin for me even though genshin's story cumulated till now is better in script. But would rather watch a yt vid for genshin story than play genshin story. Thats the stronger point in wuwa for storytelling imo. Hoping for better storytelling in the future as they have cooked good in their other game at the later stages. Overall a good video!
The main thing that drives me away from this game is obviously the lack of unique character personalities and lack of a good story,it seems like they worked on more of the gameplay and features but forgot about the story at the last minute and said "screw it,done' meanwhile in genshin im actually invested in it because its much more straightfoward without acting like something it isn't,acting too deep for something so simple.
I recently started playing the game with the PS5 launch in January and it's nice to see someone lay out all the issues with 1.0 because holy shit, I finished it literally because I wanted to see where the trainwreck was taking me. So far 2.0 seems like a huge step up to the level of like... basic narrative quality expectations (as in, characters interact with each other and play roles in the story, there is setup and payoff, exposition feels more natural, not everyone is glazing Rover for no reason). It's not stellar writing by any stretch but the leap over 1.0 is kind of astronomical and in hindsight I think it works as a good benchmark for what 1.0 was probably like before 90% of it was rewritten.
I was amazed to see such a bad review of a story. This was one of the worst story review videos I've watched in a long time. It's okay if you didn't like the plot, it's not okay when you make not liking the story the central criticism. For example, the first 2/3 acts were poorly written because they throw unnecessary information at you instead of showing you slowly, however, the last few chapters of the 1.0 story quest they fixed many of these issues by improving character interactions, even making joke with unnecessary terms which makes sense if we think that Rover has no memories at all, imagine that you are a baby but with an adult mind and you are learning everything new about the world, it is expected to have an overload with new terms and information. In the last chapters of 1.0 they even do something that is very rare in a gacha game, a build up with gameplay, you have the 5th act and the 6th building up until a climax where you actually play a war and don't just move around talking with the characters 90% of the time like many gacha games. In many games the focus is on telling a good story, but your participation in the gameplay is not relevant, for example, you have 60 minutes of dialogue and fight against 3 mobs before the final boss, instead, participate and fight against different minibosses and bosses until reaching the final boss, this is progression imbued in the gameplay which is essential for a game. Your review of the story mission 1.1 was what made me write this, you didn't evaluate the plot, you didn't even give a proper summary of the mission you just complained about the dream recap which wasn't really relevant even if it had been shown the way you I wanted to and the way they showed it actually gave an important information for the world building that wouldn't be possible to tell just showing it, normally expository dialogue is bad if it's going to take away from you an important moment that can connect you deeply with that character, for example, 90% of Genshin's sad stories and lore or the story of Robin's past in Pennacony. I also find it very interesting how the hell you talk so much about dialogue exposition which is one of the narrative elements of a video game and not talk about camera angles, animation, game progression through story 1.1 etc. Some of the questions you asked why are we in a cave? Or why everyone loves Rover? These are questions from someone who hasn't read the story, you can say that you don't like the premise, you can say that the premise is weak in your opinion, but don't pretend that it doesn't exist when it exists and makes sense within the context in which it takes place the story
You wrote so much only to be loud and wrong. Literally none of your points, not a single one is a good counter argument to anything he said in the video.
@@Mackss-iq6isread again, my argument was this video doesn't not do a proper review of the game, he didn't even read the story and he makes questions about things that were answered in the quest, he criticized the story storytelling without even analyzing cinematic, gameplay progression, story board etc, that's not how you analize a game story. A game story it's not like a novel, has all the cinematography and gameplay to be analized as a part storytelling. He had some fair points that I agree with but he overly criticize some of that points like the dialogue exposition to tell about the the dream like it was a massive con when it wasn't relevant and actually that recap gave us one important information that it's relevant to the world building and it wouldn't be shown if was not that dream description
EDIT: and most important he didn't even summarize 1.1 if you want to do a video critizing a story you should at least summarize it and say How you would make it better, which interactions would you change etc..
@@pedromiguel2929 he mentioned the quality cutscenes and understands why ppl find them alluring. As for gameplay, early stages of an rpg like wuwa should have progression integrated harmoniously w/ the story, but I feel like rover's form change wasn't setup well for the reasons maverick covered, and largely existed to match other gatcha game's trend of an evolving mc. Also, I don't think it's his responsibility to summarize entire quests if his commentary is targeted at ppl who have done it. I agree tho that he didn't need to criticize the voice acting work, because the rest of his points r enough to make his argument.
What's a game that you consider to have excellent storytelling?
Well said. That's what I felt about his review as well. Some good points but riddled with bad ones.
He missed a lot to be honest. Some claims are unsubstantiated as well. Like when he implied that Changli suddenly appeared and only exists to sell when Changli was foreshadowed in the earlier Acts. It's funny that Changli at least wasn't forced to the story unlike Shenhe in the Osial quest in Liyue. And I'm comparing it to Genshin because this video's primary argument is "unlike Genshin."
Also the claim that it has no direction and that it's like throwing a pasta to a wall and seeing what sticks. Which makes me think if he actually paid attention to the lore and story.
His criticisms regarding the character designs calling them "uninspired" as well are so illogical and out of place. For those, I recommend Star Rail Crusader's video.
This could've been a good video but I ended up thinking the same. That's it's of the worst video criticisms regarding Wuwa's writing that I've ever seen.
@@Mackss-iq6iswhat he said is actually logically put.
12:40: I’m not kidding or exaggerating when I say the only reason I give a fuck about Jinshi is BECAUSE she looks like Noelle 😭
For me, You hate Wuwa and his story, the story is bad only for you and looking others who think the same. Keep raising cbt 1. If you used to read books (science fiction genre) you would know that the some of the best aren't that exciting on the first 2 or 3 chapters. WUWA's story is built little by little. And keep the "trash" for you own story. The fact something doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean is bad or trash.
PEOPLE like you used to say the same for PGR story. Just like people who never read a new fictional novel in their entire life.
Genshin main story quest is better than Genshin copycat, WuWa devs trying to be edgy with it story so cringe
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007 just like your comment 😂😂 so fking cringe
This didn't pay attention to the story some of his questions are from someone that wasn't paying attention, you can say that the premise is weak but can't pretend that it doesn't exist or that it doesn't make sense. He also wasn't able to summarize properly the 1.1 story quest probably cuz he also didn't read it, he just complained about dialogue exposition where it didn't matter and yapping when is one of the story quests with less yapping in any of the big gachas, even hsr has more yapping. Also during the entire video he didn't mention story board, camera angles, animation or gameplay progression within the story which are essencial parts of any storytelling of a videogame. Such a weak review
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007genshin 1.0 story was also shit. People saying this absolutely forgot about the shitshow that was early genshin.
@@GNGundam001 it was more emotional and peak classic
Idk what the video is about but ik the entire 1.0 story is trash and it just gets hype in act 6
But 1.1 story is really good and I think they are going in a right direction but wish none of the beginning story existed
The beginning exists so that 1.1+ doesn't need to explain most basic elements in the world anymore. If they hadn't they would need to do so in later stories, which wpuld have made everything lower "quality" instead.
Honestly I played it and I liked the fights and stuffs but yeah the story and characters felt kind of meh to me sadly, and I eventually got bored to even play ? I didn't feel any emotion during the story, I felt like any character could die during the final fight and I wouldn't feel anything about them, which is sad honestly, the game shows promise but the story really needs improvement, I didn't feel any connection or interest to know more about it. I might try it gain but not sure.
I agree that the whole different names for everything gets me exhausted 😩
Totally agree, story is meh so far
So much comments saying its meh I cant deny it though 1.0 wasn't great but it got better after that and now 2.0 is here wondering if you'll make a follow up video on that
The guy is a grifter don’t think he’ll make a positive video
Shit with sprinkles on top is still shit yk...
For those saying: why everone was too freindly toward Rover? Simply didn't really pay attention to the story at all and just follow the words of some hater or thoese who didn't like the story.
@@blueberry7478 in the game they literally explained why Rover isn't affected by mount firmament's time phenomenon by simply saying "Rover is special"
But yeah sure
@@MildlySweetCappuccino at the start of the story rover got send to the world by a litteral god and jue said that it was the servant of rover thousands if years ago.
But surely rover isn’t special at all
@@MildlySweetCappuccino Did you actually read? Changli explained that it's because we're most likely the first resonator that "stood alongside the sentinel". And the end of 1.1 proves that's true.
@@MildlySweetCappuccino Because he is literally the one who bestowed jue's spectro power? (A Spectro attribute that can intervene time)
@@lunar31-r9kand they don't even have to read to understand how special Rover actually is, first the cutscene at the beginning of the game with the God, having Abby absorb Crownless, the Rover absorbing Dreamless's power, the special connection Rover have with the world (having foresight of the Threnodian/ sensing Jiyan's battle from far away).
Most of the things he says about wuwa are also in almost every gacha, it's like he's holding wuwa to standards he won't hold hoyo games lol
Hey, welcome to the channel! Very clear this is your first video because I absolutely do hold HoYo games to this same standard. Lmao
@@Sardo12121 Nah I watched couple of his other videos, he criticizes all the bad parts about Genshin and HSR such as lack of Show Don't Tell and a lot of yapping
@@StrayMaverick You can't even compare wuwa with shit hoyo games wuwa is much much better than that shits who characters is looks like boxes
@Yuukine2365 why are you stating such nonsense. This dude has criticized other games as well not WW. You WWshills always act as if WW is some kind of perfect game when it isn't.
Man I completely forgot about you when I was unsubbing from every gacha related channel I had. And watching the video and reading the comments reminded me why I decided that I don't want to interact with communities of any gacha game. Good luck, don't get mad at people and thanks for reminding me I guess kek
^ "YOU'VE LOST A LOYAL CUSTOMER"
@@StrayMaverickYeah, I just don't play gacha games that much anymore. You reminded why. Because they are shit. Because their story is shit. And their audience are akin to monkeys that throw shit at each other kek.
Its kind of astonishing how people see some mild criticism and go mad, something about gacha games make people feel like criticism is a personal attack
No one is saying you can not enjoy the story, especially int he few moments(2D and 3D cutscenes) where everything clicks.
If someone is writing something extremely thought out with many examples, they are(in most cases) not doing it because they hate the game, but because they want to see it improve.
@@qaztim11 Some people (especially young) are just prone to get too attached to pieces of fiction and gacha games by design encouraging this behaviour even more. Hence the enormously high amount of tribalism among players of this types of games. It doesn't even have to be between different games, fights between fans or haters of different characters in a single game are just as ugly.
The biggest red flag about the rewrite is that that implies there was the opportunity to change it - there wouldn't have been time to make all the many new cutscenes and interactive experiences, just changing the scripts for talking scenes with basic animations. If NINETY PERCENT could be rewritten that last minute, then that meant most of the story was conveyed with basic scenes talking at you while youre just sitring there getting talked at. Like you said, compare that to Genshin's way of including interesting sights that are made a part of an experience like the introduction to Dvalin flying overhead and then we secretly witness a private and mysterious scene that instantly hooks our interest, THEN we meet a local and shes inteoducing us to the first civilisation when BAM theres an attack that seems like such a big deal to everyone around us and its the dragon that we first saw being so gentle so we're wondering whats going on and then we get to fly to fend it off in a way that only we can do and thats WHY the other characters trust us entirely after this point. Thats fuckihg oscar-worthy storytelling compared to Wuwa 😅
im so thankful for this video. i felt insane scrolling through twitter and seeing everyone praise the story when the game first dropped. i dont think people understand that they can like stuff that is bad. writing is as much of a science as it is an art. it is not up for debate; this story is poorly written- BUT: that doesn't mean people can't like it. when we say its poorly written, that doesn't mean its without its merits as a game. but people take it personally when writers talk about their craft. (not just writers but developmental editors as well.)
You use punctuation like a middle school student learning that periods, exclamation points, and question marks do not comprise the entire lexicon of punctuation for the first time.
"it is not up for debate; this story is poorly written- BUT: that doesn't mean people can't like it."
Maybe learn to write a UA-cam comment before deciding what is and isn't up for debate. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
@@GaliBurton You cannot be serious. Where in my comment did I even mention Genshin? Do you just go around assuming genuine criticism of media automatically means enjoying Genshin? You cannot possibly be that dense.
@@GaliBurton well it is superior to wuthering waves in terms of writing as of now
Looks like another hoyo paid channel so far nothing in wuwa is worse than the inazuma story that made me just drop genshin
Yo I wish HoYo paid me for vids like this. That would be sick. Lmao
>dropped slop to consume more slop
@@noirerune3833 This legit baffles me lmao. People say they HATE Genshin with every fiber of their being, then end up playing and praising a slightly better Genshin to high heaven. Both games are still made with very similar framework in mind.
@@Harfiisacvck Good to know gacha players will keep eating up literally anything as long as the devs give them a shiny 3d model for free every once in a while
All blame should go to the CN community for yapping too much after witnessing their girl Yanyang getting her ass whooped by the Crownless.
Sometimes, I wish I didn't follow WuWa's initial pitch. It's like a crime that I prefer the general tone and vibe of the beta story. It has it's problems though, but I think I'd like it more than the current one.
However, saying that the current story is irredeemable or "uniquely terrible" is not an argument. I'd give it the same score as Genshin's Mondstadt and Liyue's Arc.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente missed opportunity for Kuro. CN are at complete fault here. However I’m not really into lore, just combat and WuWa will suffice for the time being unlike a certain game out there.
Great vid man, would love to hear your thoughts on 2.0.
So glad someone else sees that Act VI doesn’t magically become good just because it’s hype. Like no, the story is still bad. Better, maybe, but still bad. Maybe in future updates there can be more improvement.
At least the winged Rover looks cool! Lol
Act 6 should have been more dramatic, e.g. Rover getting beaten up so hard to the point where he awakens his inner rage, allowing him to transform into Havoc Rover but Kuro decided for whatever reason to tone it down, making it look like the dreamless is just a slight amusement instead of being an actual threat.
@@arthurgeier2545ya can thank the CN community for that lol
I'm only a few minutes in so far, but yeah, it was definitely annoying (but not shocking because people fall for 'cool action = good' all the time in anime communities) that people acted like Acts 5 and 6 somehow saved the story when the conclusion sequence as a whole is still bad because the setup in 1-4 was so atrocious.
1.1 was legitimately decent, but the entire story of Act 1 is mediocre at the absolute best.
Act VI was heavily rushed
Yes yes! Dont get me wrong i love the potential wuthering waves has. However what it's evident the characters have no moral connection. To themselves or the people in the game. I have said this a million times. Genshin impact has its issues. But their bread and butter is their character's feel like they belong in their world and know of one another. There characteristics are very evident. Shenhe being a great example! Or ning guang even! Okay many characters! Wuthering waves is missing so much. For example Yin Lin. She is a playable character that had a character quest but was so detached from the other character's it was jarring. When finishing her quest. You hear her past was deleted, and she has met Chixia( i bootchered her name but you know). Chixia mentions her but doesnt know yin lin and the whole thing is convoluted. Yin lin doesnt appear and the main story and she basically is a side character that technically has no moral to rover (according to the perspective of other characters). So she becomes basically non existing. Which is sad if someone spent real money on her banner. Because she is not connected to the world once so ever. There is nl investment in her as a character. How many other characters will they do this too? If the devs studied hoyoverse they missed the secret ingredient! Their characters will be disconnected and it shows. I mean lets be honest, the many female characters that story evolves around drooling around rover is sooooooo odd to me. Like maybe 1 or 2 but come on! They need substance! Ugh dont get me started
coming back to this video after finally having time to experience the shorekeeper/black shores stuff and OMFG it was SO BAD. Please review more of the WUWA story, I need someone to talk about it. Stuff just happens for no reason, choices and outcomes make so sense, all the dialogue is word soup, and there is no time to set up or develop anything. It's baffling because it's aesthetically so nice, the visual imagry is on point and the music sets up a great atmosphere, but there is no substance behind any of that.
damn waking up during the war wouldve been way more epic
The funniest part was when we meet Camellya, and they do the thing in the dialogue where they say something, and there's some small, supertext in the subtitles to give the reader further context... but Camellya's VA read it all out and it sounded so horribly awkward. Like... no one told her not to read that part, nor did they have her redo it after the mistake was made. They just put that in the game. The gameplay is good, and the characters look cool... but the game is very rough in a lot of places.
Man, i know you're not gonna read this, but im so sorry for the negativity going your way for not liking a story. I didn't like it and was bored from the moment it started. I have a thing where i jate it when every single thing needs a new word to make it "new love your channel keep it up"
Kurobot here, hear me out.
I really didn't find anything offensively bad about 1.0, even though I agree with your points, I would put it above Inazuma because I just had a very bad experience with it
Now, I liked 1.1, that cutscene leading up to Jue fight was great even though the whole chapter could have used more build up
And that's something I agree with even more after 1.3. God was it bad.
First of all, it is 1.3 and we still haven't a proper explanation of frequencies, sonoro, lament, we kind of just accept those are concepts and they work the way they do, I dislike that! Feels as if devs have no idea what those are themselves and because of this they don't really USE the setting of WW and it feels less unique because of it.
But more than that, 1.3 felt like they HAD AN IDEA. And I LIKED that idea. Previous chapter felt like they had no idea behind them, not gonna get into details, but I hated the execution.
It felt as if writers had no idea how to lead up to the points they wanted with the whole sacrifice and standing up to Tethys system (which btw how tf does it work they do not explain really clearly why it needs emotions at least to me it felt like it and it's a symptom of those concepts not being explained imo) AND after all that, they did the worst conclusion EVER which is "lol we fixed it xD"
WHAT WAS ALL THAT SUFFERING FOR THEN????? WHY DID ROVER SET OUT TO A JOURNEY TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS SO LONG AGO??? WHY NOT JUST USE A SPECIAL FREQUENCY FROM THE GET GO WHY LET PEOPLE'S(call it souls) SOULS BE TRAPPED IN DIGITAL HELL ON CONSTANT REPEAT?????
Kuro Games REALLY need to invest in good writers and a director man this can't go on. I still like the combat but that story has to improve.
You don't get you call yourself anything positive for Wuwa. Fake fan, fake you already. We don't care about YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY LYING. BE LESS BLATANT DUMBASS.
@@ericsai744aww lil baby gonna cry 🤡
I thought wuwa community wasn't so toxic😂
@@ScrumptiousGluteusMaximus Ahh SHIT YOU'RE right, we gotta chill! We already have a smaller player population... I gotta finish my Echo chamber anyways.
That boss difficulty nerf just for Midellya simps like me was so good. Same "balancing" with PGR, Kuro did us dirty for sure.
@@ericsai744 ah shi
Damn I didn't know you were a baiter
I Should have checked your comment history before replying
😂
Gl on baiting others
@ScrumptiousGluteusMaximus It is what it is
This game is all over the place. Seems as though there is little to no cohesiveness in the storyline.
saying that the story is out right terrible is insane for me. I've read a lot of light novels and stories and i found this quite unique and good,
you are just jumping on the train of people that say its bad
The MC d i c kriding is bad.
No suspicion, just "Rover you are special" all the time - yea, this is NOT how you tell a story.
@@arthurgeier2545 as if genshin is any better i fell asleep and couldnt get through it
For me the story was 100% terrible thank god they gave the skip button.
@@alphaca3541 Genshin's is not perfect but Wuwa straight up knocked me out with its MC di ck riding and bad writing thanks to the snowflake CN community.
@@alphaca3541 Genshin's is less cringe and fits into the whole picture but Wuwa was supposed to be much darker.
The CN community is partly responsible for this.
I think the story has improved by 1.1
At least dialogue is not bloated anymore.
I didn't bother to install wuwa again to see if 1.3 is actually good. Please i need you to talk about it.
I thought we already moved on from this. Everyone acts like the Gacha game story should be good from the get-go 😂 gacha games are known to have a shitty start. To anyone having a problem with the jargon and shit, ignore it and revisit it again, personally, for me like hsr. And people can like the game for what it is just like genshin. The story is bad? Stay for the combat and generous gacha. It's a story and Kuro is known for cooking long term. If someone calls it good, it's their opinion. To me, it's good. I'll praise it all day long.
I'm sorry for not watching this to the end but I can already tell yall need paimon. Genshin really spoiled some of you.
Why shouldn't it be good from the get go? Why do you just concede that the story should just start off bad? Reverse 1999 has a good story intro 'in spite' of it's really rough translation in the beginning. Limbus Company has an incredibly compelling launch story and only gets better. It's ok to expect better from a story, especially in a game meant to be predatory and addicting.
As someone who likes the game but thinks the story pre 1.1 is notably bad, what about the story, to you, is actually good?
Yeah, why couldn't it good from the start?
@Renteka-Bond I never said it was good. For me, personally, it's okay. I ignore most of the things I don't understand and revisit it again in the future. You need to remember that this is kuro's first rodeo with open world gacha games. The story and the world need to compliments itself. Like in 1.1 and the upcoming blackshore island(?).
The games that you mentioned, I do play them. They are only turn-based combat with static backgrounds. That's why some of them have the best stories. Fgo, hsr etc etc
@LoisyAbigail On top of being a gacha game, it's also an open world game. Let's not forget it's kuro's first open world gacha game. To me, the story needs to complement the open world like genshin and for the sake of it, cyberpunk. You ain't gonna get everything the first few hours when the world is still establishing. Not an open-world game but that's how I feel about HSR opening. Albeit as bad as Wuwa was, the info and lore dump at you. For me, at least. For a while, I actually ignored HSR completely until I learned to ignore the first 3 hours of lores in Gacha games. It's more enjoyable like that, I promise you.
It can be good but you can't go into a game with high expectations that it'll be good. I can tell some of the people coming to Wuwa, ready to 'compare' it with Genshin 4 years' worth of story. Some even didn't even realize it.
@@Renteka-Bond correction; I did said good. What I meant was it was okay
Zenless Zone Zero does story and characters better than either Genshin or WW, change my mind. Combat too while we're at it. I wish its world was more open but what's there is great.
Yeah, pacing in zzz is much better, but tvs kinda ruined it
Combat in zzz is garbage. Keep coping clown