@@pwnorbepwned Thank you for educating me, this blew my mind! Looked it up, the Clone Wars episode Altar of Mortis released on 04/02/2011, and Fate of the Jedi released on 13/03/2012!
Dude the first Star Wars was never really humorous unless the bantercounts, other than that it is ominous and like discovering an unknown entity. Everyone liked it apparently. Then we got ESB and by then Lucas had planned out the other previous 3. Ah, what a time to he alive. Infact I would like to add to the lore with a small scale comic. I'd like to test my drawing and storytelling skills after years of watching film and media.
I personally interpret Abeloth as serving as an "anti-Force." The Son is the Dark Side of the Force, the Daughter the Light Side and the Father is a balance between the two. But Abeloth? Abeloth is DEATH. The end of the Force through the end of life itself. That is why she is one of the only common enemies between Jedi and Sith - they disagree on how to serve/use the Force, but neither of them want to end it.
Kriea however makes a statement where she says she does not want all life to end, just the force. She saw weakness in reliance upon it, and tyranny in its guiding hand. She wanted Nihilous stopped because he would inevitably consume all life, counter to her own goals
Man every time I think about fate of the Jedi I wish they'd let EU authors continue that continuity in parallel... I bought these as they came out, and was so sad when the mara jade series that came next was nixed with the rest of the EU
@@blackshogun272 They won’t because it would outsell their new novels and make them look bad. They don’t care about money. Cara Dune was one of the highest selling new characters and they are cancelling all her merchandise. #FireKathleenKennedy. #BringBackTheEU.
@@ozgreatsage5266 I've known since jump that if even a single animated movie or series based directly off events in the EU/Legends universe, then it'd blow any of their previous NuCanon content out of the water. All the attention would be on what's coming next after "that" series. And what Disney and this poisoned Lucasfilm group hate more than being disagreed with is being ignored or worse; ridiculed...
Actually she drank from the font of power like the Brother, and bathed in the pool of wisdom like the Daughter, which caused her to transform into Abeloth.
I feel like somehow abeloth will be ashoka for some reason. it's just in my guts. not sure if anyone else has said this yet or anything, but yea. after watching this video, that's the feeling my guts gave me. thanks guts.
I'm so sad that Legend was not continued. We could have had two continuities but Lucasfilm choose to kill Legends even though dedicated fans have been following and buying these stories for years. Their loyalty was not rewarded. 🙁
@@JediAcolyte94 Thats cos Disney doesnt officially announce anything for Legends because they are done with it but SWTOR is still getting expansions and the Supernatural Encounters Novel is being released in its entirety in about a month ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html here's a vid on it but u can read about it here www.starwarstimeline.net
@@JediAcolyte94 it most certainly does count its fully licensed and fact checked just because it is only licensed for online publication doesn’t mean it’s not a novel, it’s still the biggest Star Wars book to date and we are getting a ton of content in it, an there are a few other legends books released after the Disney purge namely Skyewalkers
Anakin: So what’s the worst thing you’ve heard of? Obiwan: *long drag* So there’s this god of chaos. She’s locked behind blackholes and is all powerful. But so long as the embodiments of the force exist we’re okay. Anakin: Oh, yeah. We’re finnnnnnne.
I really liked most of Fate of the Jedi. I listened to it on audible and when Luke and Ben board Sinkhole station is done so well. It's so creepy and I want a horror/suspense movie about sinkhole so badly.
I had a few favorites durng Fate of the Jedi. The clash on Dathomir or the battle on the sith planet. What caught my attention was how much Luke learned on his journey to understand Jacen.
Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi are pretty solid book series. I got into them after reading the commando novels. Karen traviss did a few of the legacy books. People go crazy for thrawn but a lot of the later books were very good
I know Fate of the Jedi gets a lot of flack, but I did always like how it was one of the few EU series that really connected with TCW and expanded on the most interesting thing it introduced, Mortis. I also greatly enjoyed seeing Luke connecting with his son and seeing Ben grow into his own person. Thanks for keeping up the consistent EU content Eck! I feel it’s not broached enough on UA-cam by people who actually have read the novels, so it’s greatly appreciated by its readers like me :)
I always like it when the series is allowed to cut loose and show how powerful the Force really is. That and show that killing the Ones did have a serious impact.
I would imagine that Centerpoint is working against some a combination of: 1) The configurations that the black holes have to be in are not compatible with at least stable orbits in the long term, or there are sufficiently many of them that there's no way you're not going to have black holes ejected from the system or merging with each other over the long run, so Centerpoint is doing a combination of station-keeping and orbital corrections. 2) Abeloth is constantly actively disrupting the orbits of the black holes.
@@khalduras784 Like Splinter of the Mind's Eye was any good lol Literally the first EU book, even more off in left field than any later books. LotF did an amazing job fixing the incoherence of the older books, and FotJ had it back on track with some of the best writers in sci-fi collaborating on an epic story that questioned the very nature of the Force itself, and I was all about. Pre-ordered every book.
``The Ones existed``... the "ones" hmmm, it really reminds me of a scene in the "Airheads" movie... :) _- "The Lone Rangers." How can you pluralize "The Lone Ranger"?_ _- What's wrong with that?_ _- Well, there's three of you. You're not exactly lone. Shouldn't you be The Three Rangers?_
It is wild that we now accept abeloth because of how bad Disney did. I remember when this was considered pure trash. All those early forums. Not a knock at ecks ladder just wild how people now accept abeloth because at least it isn't the sequel trilogy
“but that’s the thing about unhappiness; all it takes is for something worse to come along and you realize that it was actually happiness after all.” I think this best fits what your saying. Try to guess where I got this quote from
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul do you think other companies would done any better if they bought the right to Star Wars. I believe universal studios made an offer but George was thinking about selling it to Disney or Fox. I believe universal would have actually respected the source material a lot better than Disney has.
Fate of the Jedi series is one of those series that I love going back to every so often is well written and just a general fun time to read idk what it is about the series that keep me so engaged each time I reread it
2:03 Abeloth also bathed from the Pool of Knowledge, another Force Nexus from Beyond Shadows. The Font was imbued with the dark side and the Pool was imbued with the light, which turned Abeloth into a heinous monster.
I want to see them make a freaken film on her! Like a love/horror tragedy, mainly horror type film in the Star wars franchise like she is straight up smile face creepy stuff. Based on abeloth! Dude If i had a ton of money, I would so pay off a film crew and a great director to do this!
When me and a friend were talking about how to fix the sequel trilogy part of it had ray be a solo and have abeloth be behind everything trying to make ray and kylo ren be the new son and daughter as a form of revenge against Anakin for the death of her family
There is A LOT of content that you didnt cover in this video tbh her back story is now fully fleshed out with Supernatural Encounters, you should do some videos covering the new lore, ive heard you say it was canceled before in a previous novel, but let it be known that its not, its coming out fully in like a month and the Wookiepedia article on it is incorrect, check out this video on it, should cover everything ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html you complained on twitter about SW YT being dry, so there's gonna be a lot to cover for you now, should solve that issue
Perhaps the point of the stations wasn’t the keep the Maw together, but rather, apart, to prevent the black hole from drifting too close and making paths of escape or prevent black holes from merging. A black hole is a beast, a cluster of them are an impossibility.
I'm one of the fans who wandered off during the Yuuzhan Vong War arc, so it and everything after never really showed up on my radar. I had other things to do, and diving into a dozen novels I'd already written off as "the heroes fight, like, Skeletor, but less believable" took a back seat to everything else in my life. It's a shame, because I'm a huge Lovecraft fan, so the Abeloth arc would have been pure brain candy for me. Seeing the hints of something truly alien like Abeloth driving Force users insane from beyond the inescapable pull of ravenous stellar phenomena, and finding out that impossibly ancient artifacts like Centerpoint Station and what had been thought of as natural phenomena like The Maw were actually purpose-built systems designed to lock that horror away... That would have been awesome, and I'd have read the hell out of it.
#askeck Most sources agree that the Vong invaded the galaxy through the galactic north. Yet, the Vong wiped out the Duskhan League in a genocide as well as devastated the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium. So wat was the actual invasion route? Versus request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
It's stupid that everything in the galaxy happenes like the universe was flat or sth. Why did the Vong have to invade from a direction on the same plane as the galactic map XD?? They could have came from any direction, it's unlikely they'd enter the galaxy from it's edge. They could have started with Coruscant already had they invaded from above/below the galaxy.
@@emzonik8851 there’s some form of hyperspace barrier that prevents travel through the edges of the galaxy. Where the Vong invaded was one of the few “openings” that they could enter the galaxy through
Eckhart, if you haven't already you should give Supernatural Encounters a read. It goes into so much detail of a sort of creation myth, including the celestials and how they shaped the universe. Abeloth and the Ones make an appearance
Its gone under the radar lol, but yeh its coming out in its full glory in about a month, recommend watching this video ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html
Theoretically, the black holes could drift apart, albeit in clusters. It all depends on the orbits. The black holes won't simply be attracted to each other as if they are magnets. Unless they are completely evenly distributed, the black holes could end up going in different directions. Also, there is a phenomena that opposes gravity called dark energy. The maw cluster was held together in stable orbits by centerpoint, and without centerpoint, some black holes will be pulled together, while some will "shoot" off. That said, things get very whacky when dealing with multiple black holes. With our current understanding of black holes, you can use two black holes interacting with each other travel back in time!
Better description: A number of facilities, Centerpoint and others included, were basically keeping them in an equilibrium of sorts. The ones that got destroyed first were the ones in charge of the "keeping them together" aspect. Other facilities were in charge of "keeping them far enough apart to not all join as one." Perhaps because this would either weaken the prison to combine them into a single localized entity, or because of some other reason that might have basically been "tl;dr, we need to use a bunch of black holes across a certain area of space in order to preserve the seal." Or, in the event that Abaloth was, as per that one theory, a "reset button" more than a terror that the Ones tried to keep away, then perhaps letting all the black holes merge would have actually caused her harm. And perhaps the natural orbits combined with the various functions and alterations put into place by Centerpoint and similar facilities was, in fact, essentially an insanely large mechanical computer/clock which would be set to release her when she is needed. And which may have had a failsafe for in the event that one or more controlling stations were destroyed (which is very much possible given the theory being about her being a "reset switch" for when there is too much war).
@@SephirothRyu wow. Has some similarities to my idea with the whole equilibrium thing, but I really like your idea of it being similar to a giant mechanical computer. Sort of like a giant Antikythira Mechanism made of black holes and space stations. This would also seem to fit with how the Ones went about things, having their creations often have multiple purposes.
And the craziest thing about her is that it took the most powerful jedi and sith working together to defeat her and Luke had to kill her physical body, defeat her mind and then go into the force realm and defeat her soul and she's still not dead he even stated she'll return one day. Also she bathed from the fount of power and drank from the pool of knowledge, the overwhelming light and dark side power twisted her, broke her mind and drove her insane in addition to twisting her into a monster.
I wonder if Abaloth is the one that fucked the Ratakan's connect to the force and brought about the ascendency of Man. Talk about chaos! That would be kind of a cool thing to explore!
Well the black holes floating apart might be a result of Abeloth using her powers to slowly push open her cage. The other possibility is that the gravitational balancing act required would be insane as if you have a line of black holes eventually based on spacing and size some are going to move towards each other but that means that others will move away from each other creating larger gaps in some areas and smaller ones in others. Not to mention everything in space is already moving as it orbits the galaxy and everything in space pulls on everything else as star clusters pass by and many other things all move around changing the gravitational balance in an area. Orbits in the galaxy are not like orbits in the solar system where everything is on a track and nicely spaced out. Look at our own solar system's history as our current closest neighboring star is 4 light years away but millions of years ago a star that is now like 22 light years away was less than a light year away from us. The galaxy is more like a busy highway with stars moving at different speeds as they pass by each other and shift around in positions. Their all going the same general direction but their not all gonna get there are the same time or same order. And as they pass each other they pull on each other causing some to slow down and others to speed up. So yeah black holes getting pulled out of position over long periods of time makes perfect sense as nothing is stationary in space, it's only our point of view that makes it appear stationary. Much like people thought the sun went around the stationary Earth in ancient times because our perspective makes it appear that way.
Side Note: There is this misconception that black holes are gravitationally stronger than other objects. They are not, they are simply more compact as if you were to take a giant star of the same mass it would have the exact same effect gravitational speaking on the area around it. The main different is that because the mass is so compact you can get closer to the center of mass then you could a massive burning hot star. But also because the gravitational effects are so compact it creates a case were gravity won't let even light escape. But if you are say the distance out from it like that of Earth you won't even notice such as if you were to compress our star into a black hole the Earth would continue on it's orbit normally, granted the planet would freeze but in terms of gravitational effects on orbit nothing changes because the mass of the sun doesn't change, only how compressed that mass is. It's like that video which weighs more a Kg of Steel or a Kg of Feathers and the guy immediately responses with a Kg of Steel. Then the rest of it is people trying to explain their weight is the same it's just Steel is more sense so we consider it heavier because it has more mass in a smaller area but when you have the same weight amount the objects weight the same by definition.
UA-cam placed this video right next to "Physicist Brian Cox Explains Black Holes in Plain English - Joe Rogan" from two years ago, and both videos used the same black hole picture in their thumbnail.
*If drinking from the Font of Power gives you the power of the Dark Side, and bathing in the Pool of Wisdom gives you the power of the Light Side, but doing both drives you insane, then how did the Father gain his power over both without going insane like Abeloth?*
Yup! So much so even his greedy, ambitious ass stays away from her (and we all know he is in a never-ending quest for UNLIMITED POWER and will seek just about any method to get it)! 🤣
More accurately I think the black holes "drifting apart" was more like an illusion, that they would absorb one another rather without something to hold them apart and as they did would form "cracks" between those that were less proximal and those more proximal (and likely affected by Abeloth herself). This illusion may seem more accurate as the black holes were initially pulled together by both stations (however this assumes the stations could only pull them to that point and not from... which is kinda ridiculous). Alternatively it might just be that what kept the black holes from being able to absorb each other or consume Abeloth herself was Abeloth constantly pushing against them with the force (and this would also make sense... within the realm of Star Wars at least).
She did not just drink from the Font of Power, she bathed in the Pool of Knowledge. If she just drank from the Font of Power, she would just be a dark side being like her son or dead.
Imagine if the sequel trilogy had been about Snoke or Kylo trying to bring Abaloth into the galaxy, and then at the end of Episode 8 they actually do it.
The part about keeping the black holes together actually makes sense. They were probably held in place at specific locations, designed to prevent travel but also not so close they would fall into each other.
Her fear of left by the ones makes her to become blind of power make her drank from the font of power and bathed from the pool of knowledge making it to become abeloth
Four dark gods watched from the sky... Always plotting how the universe will die... A unsuspecting pawn they found... twisted she was till she was bound... Four malignant energies consumed her soul. Rage pleasure knowledge and decay was what replaced her soul. Four dark gods smiled with glee... As the slave of Chaos was unleashed...
One of my favourite parts of Fate of the Jedi was actually the relationship and adventures of Ben and Luke. The former had never been all that interesting to me and the latter had his ups and downs but them bonding over the losses of Jacen and Mara served as a strong emotional core of a story that otherwise didn't always hit the nail on the head for me.
Of all of Star Wars legends expanded universe stuff Abaeloth was always the thing I hate the most. Just kind of a poor "What now?" sort of antagonist. "Luke's already faced all the big evils we could come up with, so what now?" "How about an evil Cthulhu god!" Except they overshot and made her back story about being lonely when the fear of the lovecraftian horror is how unknowable they truly are.
Star Wars Legends did have a habit of jumping the shark. Like, I love legends. I grew up on it. But I also don't fault the big D for decanonizing it. Imagine trying to work around the existence of stuff like this when writing a movie.
@@wolfpredator1000 I'd rather something more interesting with the actual setting rather then adding something new. For instance they seem to jump between just democracies and Facism. Wouldn't it be an interesting change if they tried communism? Like everyone just got real sick of both those and tried to create an everyone's equal movement that gets out of hand?
@@wolfpredator1000 they did a different version of “The Empire” with the Legacy comics and honestly, it was leaps and bounds better than FOTJ. We got to see a more compassionate Empire that won over the favor of a lot of the Galaxy until the Sith got involved again. I love the EU but this whole book run is a point against it IMO.
@@teamcybr8375 There was already a policy of "whatever happens in books is canon unless another level up overrides it". Like, Ryloth is now a mountainous French planet instead of a tidally locked world because of Star Wars The Clone Wars. Disney could have simply continued that.
@@edmai6451 Not really, Traya confirmed Nihilus was only approaching the power of Ajunta Pall, Exar Kun is multiple one shot gaps above Pall thus would oneshot Nihilus lol
I kinda feel like they could bring Abeloth into canon, (head canon she created the plant creatures of the high republic) albeit quite reworked. I would make her a true mortis god as the mother and be the opposite of the father (order). I wouldn't make her a truly evil character, but not a character anyone can really truly trust her motives. More like a true Chaotic neutral.
Isn't Abeloth very ancient? The woman who would become the Mother and later Abeloth crash landed on the planet the Ones(the Father, the Son, and the Daughter) lived on before Mortis around 100,00 BBY. At least, that's what I read on Wookiepedia. I don't think I've ever heard what her race was before she became Abeloth. Maybe it was a long extinct race, because I haven't heard of any races that had interstellar spaceships around the time of 100,000 BBY, but I'm no Star Wars expert. .
@@WonkelDee When she started getting old, did she go to the Ones for help? From what I read on Wookiepedia, through her hard work and dedication to her new family, all of their lives vastly improved, and all 4 of them were very happy. If she brought the fact that she was growing old and may soon die, I would think the other 3 would be willing to at least listen to her, if not come up with some ideas to help. Or did she just act on her own accord without talking to her new family members?
Yet another villain who would have been a better fit in the Disney trilogy instead of f***ing Palpatine. And to justify Abeloth's appearance they could have said that Palpatine's death on the second Death Star created a massive schism in the force (i.e the explosion that occurred after he fell down). Also the first order would be led by Lumiya or Inquisitor Jerac in this ideal scenario.
Lumiya would've been an interesting villain. Declaring herself the next empress, turning Kylo to the Dark Side and maybe striking a deal with Abeloth for more power could've been cool.
@@johnnygyro2295 the fact that Lumiya isn’t talked about more as a big bad is criminal. A ST where she is whispering in Jacen Solo’s war for three movies culminating in Jacen killing Mara and Luke going into exile would have been solid.
I still love the fact that this huge story for Legends actually involved the Clone Wars. That show did so much
It’s actually based on that Clone Wars episode. The first mention of Abeloth in Legends came after the Mortis episodes in Clone Wars.
@@pwnorbepwned wait for real?
@@pwnorbepwned did they actually mention abeloth at all? Thought it was just the father, daughter, and son mentioned
@@pwnorbepwned Thank you for educating me, this blew my mind! Looked it up, the Clone Wars episode Altar of Mortis released on 04/02/2011, and Fate of the Jedi released on 13/03/2012!
@@pwnorbepwned are you sure about that? The clone wars episodes aired 2011, the legends novel series aired 2009-2012
Star Wars in 1977: haha funny laser sword go brrr
Star Wars today:
The longest journies always start with a single step.
Dude the first Star Wars was never really humorous unless the bantercounts, other than that it is ominous and like discovering an unknown entity. Everyone liked it apparently. Then we got ESB and by then Lucas had planned out the other previous 3. Ah, what a time to he alive. Infact I would like to add to the lore with a small scale comic. I'd like to test my drawing and storytelling skills after years of watching film and media.
Planet of billions go boom lol
They really DO go brrr!
I personally interpret Abeloth as serving as an "anti-Force." The Son is the Dark Side of the Force, the Daughter the Light Side and the Father is a balance between the two. But Abeloth? Abeloth is DEATH. The end of the Force through the end of life itself. That is why she is one of the only common enemies between Jedi and Sith - they disagree on how to serve/use the Force, but neither of them want to end it.
Then it’s a good thing Abeloth never met Kreia.
@@asonofhoruslegionary maybe kreia is a disciple or even an avatar of her.
The idea of Kreia being a student or a Disguise of Abeloth is scary
Frick it makes too much sense !
Kriea however makes a statement where she says she does not want all life to end, just the force. She saw weakness in reliance upon it, and tyranny in its guiding hand. She wanted Nihilous stopped because he would inevitably consume all life, counter to her own goals
Pity she will not be developed further, the concept holds great potential.
We should watch its career with great interest
Man every time I think about fate of the Jedi I wish they'd let EU authors continue that continuity in parallel... I bought these as they came out, and was so sad when the mara jade series that came next was nixed with the rest of the EU
Why they can't just make an alternate Canon timeline for the EU and profit off/please the fans is bewildering to me...
@@blackshogun272 They won’t because it would outsell their new novels and make them look bad. They don’t care about money. Cara Dune was one of the highest selling new characters and they are cancelling all her merchandise. #FireKathleenKennedy. #BringBackTheEU.
@@ozgreatsage5266 I've known since jump that if even a single animated movie or series based directly off events in the EU/Legends universe, then it'd blow any of their previous NuCanon content out of the water. All the attention would be on what's coming next after "that" series. And what Disney and this poisoned Lucasfilm group hate more than being disagreed with is being ignored or worse; ridiculed...
Wait, Mara? I thought the Jaina Solo series "Sword of the Jedi" was supposed to be the next big thing.
It took me a solid minute to realize that, in saying EU, you meant extended universe and not European Union
Actually she drank from the font of power like the Brother, and bathed in the pool of wisdom like the Daughter, which caused her to transform into Abeloth.
I feel like somehow abeloth will be ashoka for some reason. it's just in my guts. not sure if anyone else has said this yet or anything, but yea. after watching this video, that's the feeling my guts gave me. thanks guts.
@@pizzlepayne91 what are you trying to say bud? do you mean ahsoka will be abeloth in canon?
@@pizzlepayne91 That doesn't make sense considering Abeloth was born 100,000 years before Ahsoka.
@@pizzlepayne91that is just plain moronic 🤣🤣🤣
I'm so sad that Legend was not continued. We could have had two continuities but Lucasfilm choose to kill Legends even though dedicated fans have been following and buying these stories for years. Their loyalty was not rewarded. 🙁
Bro there's legit a new legends book coming out in like a month and its the biggest SW Novel yet
@@JediAcolyte94 Thats cos Disney doesnt officially announce anything for Legends because they are done with it but SWTOR is still getting expansions and the Supernatural Encounters Novel is being released in its entirety in about a month
ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html
here's a vid on it
but u can read about it here
www.starwarstimeline.net
@@JediAcolyte94 it most certainly does count its fully licensed and fact checked just because it is only licensed for online publication doesn’t mean it’s not a novel, it’s still the biggest Star Wars book to date and we are getting a ton of content in it, an there are a few other legends books released after the Disney purge namely Skyewalkers
@@exarkun9790 Never heard of this book before. Thanks for all the information !
just the opposite- feels like we were punished for it. "SUBMIT TO THE ALMIGHTY MICKEY PEASENTS!"
Remember when there was only few art and illustrations of her
Yeah you were right....abeloth is still mysterious to me
I remember eck asking for some art to be done a while back if I’m not mistaken
These may be fan art for eck which is really cool to me
Anakin: So what’s the worst thing you’ve heard of?
Obiwan: *long drag* So there’s this god of chaos. She’s locked behind blackholes and is all powerful. But so long as the embodiments of the force exist we’re okay.
Anakin: Oh, yeah. We’re finnnnnnne.
Anakin : but if somehow it escapes , you and me can stop it right ? like we always did..
And she was a good friend
@@jchea1764 Vader, after the clone wars: "Huh, I wonder if that family was the embodiment of the force Obi-wan talked about...eh, not my problem"
@@snapeinvader there’s you’re solution! Put an SEP field around it. (Somebody else’s problem)
@@gerrykomalaysia2and we told her there are No clothes in Space
I really liked most of Fate of the Jedi. I listened to it on audible and when Luke and Ben board Sinkhole station is done so well. It's so creepy and I want a horror/suspense movie about sinkhole so badly.
The audiobooks are awesome - I love the scene where Grand Lord Vol fights Abeloth on Kesh, so well done
Abeloth: I am FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and ready to spread chaos
Darth Nihilus: Get in line, buddy
I had a few favorites durng Fate of the Jedi. The clash on Dathomir or the battle on the sith planet. What caught my attention was how much Luke learned on his journey to understand Jacen.
yes i loved listening through that journey he took with his son. i just wished it was more of it
Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi are pretty solid book series. I got into them after reading the commando novels. Karen traviss did a few of the legacy books. People go crazy for thrawn but a lot of the later books were very good
@@lmlmanonfire13 indeed. most of the books are good
Yes more legends content I have missed these videos!
Abeloth still exists in Canon. They just changed her name to Kathleen Kennedy
That can be true
Headcanon? Heck yes.
Savage! 😂😂😂
@@trevorvallo5841 Oppress?
@@T_L_O_S LMAO!! Good one! 😂😂 👏
I know Fate of the Jedi gets a lot of flack, but I did always like how it was one of the few EU series that really connected with TCW and expanded on the most interesting thing it introduced, Mortis. I also greatly enjoyed seeing Luke connecting with his son and seeing Ben grow into his own person.
Thanks for keeping up the consistent EU content Eck! I feel it’s not broached enough on UA-cam by people who actually have read the novels, so it’s greatly appreciated by its readers like me :)
I loved it start to finish. Was such a great series.
Actually my favourite series tbh. Read it at least once a year
I always like it when the series is allowed to cut loose and show how powerful the Force really is. That and show that killing the Ones did have a serious impact.
I would imagine that Centerpoint is working against some a combination of:
1) The configurations that the black holes have to be in are not compatible with at least stable orbits in the long term, or there are sufficiently many of them that there's no way you're not going to have black holes ejected from the system or merging with each other over the long run, so Centerpoint is doing a combination of station-keeping and orbital corrections.
2) Abeloth is constantly actively disrupting the orbits of the black holes.
I think I’ve seen every Star Wars channel do Abeloth at least twice now.
It’s good to see the quality improves each time.
Fate of the Jedi doesn't get the respect it deserves. Such a good series.
@@khalduras784 Like Splinter of the Mind's Eye was any good lol Literally the first EU book, even more off in left field than any later books. LotF did an amazing job fixing the incoherence of the older books, and FotJ had it back on track with some of the best writers in sci-fi collaborating on an epic story that questioned the very nature of the Force itself, and I was all about. Pre-ordered every book.
``The Ones existed``... the "ones" hmmm, it really reminds me of a scene in the "Airheads" movie... :)
_- "The Lone Rangers." How can you pluralize "The Lone Ranger"?_
_- What's wrong with that?_
_- Well, there's three of you.
You're not exactly lone. Shouldn't you be The Three Rangers?_
Underrated film.
Smfh it doesn't mean "the ones who are alone together" but "the specific ones"
It is wild that we now accept abeloth because of how bad Disney did. I remember when this was considered pure trash. All those early forums. Not a knock at ecks ladder just wild how people now accept abeloth because at least it isn't the sequel trilogy
“but that’s the thing about unhappiness; all it takes is for something worse to come along and you realize that it was actually happiness after all.” I think this best fits what your saying. Try to guess where I got this quote from
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul yes exactly. The expanded universe showed us that Sith and Jedi are but fraction of what Star Wars really is.
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul It just feels like someone going through the closet of a friend after they die.
@@friendlyfriday3445 It sounds like Stephen King. Maybe IT
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul do you think other companies would done any better if they bought the right to Star Wars. I believe universal studios made an offer but George was thinking about selling it to Disney or Fox. I believe universal would have actually respected the source material a lot better than Disney has.
I thought she drank from font of power and bathed in pool of knowledge? Each separately powered the son and the daughter
Fate of the Jedi series is one of those series that I love going back to every so often is well written and just a general fun time to read idk what it is about the series that keep me so engaged each time I reread it
Would love to see an Abeloth vs Mnggal-Mnggal comparison ;-)
2:03 Abeloth also bathed from the Pool of Knowledge, another Force Nexus from Beyond Shadows. The Font was imbued with the dark side and the Pool was imbued with the light, which turned Abeloth into a heinous monster.
I want to see them make a freaken film on her! Like a love/horror tragedy, mainly horror type film in the Star wars franchise like she is straight up smile face creepy stuff. Based on abeloth! Dude If i had a ton of money, I would so pay off a film crew and a great director to do this!
Hire Eva Green to play Abeloth! 😁
When me and a friend were talking about how to fix the sequel trilogy part of it had ray be a solo and have abeloth be behind everything trying to make ray and kylo ren be the new son and daughter as a form of revenge against Anakin for the death of her family
"The apocalyptic god that got trapped behind a black hole " new band name
There is A LOT of content that you didnt cover in this video tbh her back story is now fully fleshed out with Supernatural Encounters, you should do some videos covering the new lore, ive heard you say it was canceled before in a previous novel, but let it be known that its not, its coming out fully in like a month and the Wookiepedia article on it is incorrect, check out this video on it, should cover everything ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html
you complained on twitter about SW YT being dry, so there's gonna be a lot to cover for you now, should solve that issue
Finally someone asked for it i love that story
@@connorcochran3747 its gone under the radar big time, and the outdated wookiepedia article sure doesn't help lol
Perhaps the point of the stations wasn’t the keep the Maw together, but rather, apart, to prevent the black hole from drifting too close and making paths of escape or prevent black holes from merging. A black hole is a beast, a cluster of them are an impossibility.
you've not only covered this you did it better the first time
I'm one of the fans who wandered off during the Yuuzhan Vong War arc, so it and everything after never really showed up on my radar. I had other things to do, and diving into a dozen novels I'd already written off as "the heroes fight, like, Skeletor, but less believable" took a back seat to everything else in my life.
It's a shame, because I'm a huge Lovecraft fan, so the Abeloth arc would have been pure brain candy for me. Seeing the hints of something truly alien like Abeloth driving Force users insane from beyond the inescapable pull of ravenous stellar phenomena, and finding out that impossibly ancient artifacts like Centerpoint Station and what had been thought of as natural phenomena like The Maw were actually purpose-built systems designed to lock that horror away... That would have been awesome, and I'd have read the hell out of it.
And too dangerous even the Jedi and Sith had to team-up!
#askeck Most sources agree that the Vong invaded the galaxy through the galactic north. Yet, the Vong wiped out the Duskhan League in a genocide as well as devastated the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium. So wat was the actual invasion route?
Versus request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
There is a invasion map of the Vong war. Three actually. The Duskhan League got wiped out after the core collapsed since they are next to each other
It's stupid that everything in the galaxy happenes like the universe was flat or sth. Why did the Vong have to invade from a direction on the same plane as the galactic map XD?? They could have came from any direction, it's unlikely they'd enter the galaxy from it's edge. They could have started with Coruscant already had they invaded from above/below the galaxy.
@@emzonik8851 there’s some form of hyperspace barrier that prevents travel through the edges of the galaxy. Where the Vong invaded was one of the few “openings” that they could enter the galaxy through
@@lightspeedvictory Ok then, thanks.
@@emzonik8851 👍
Eckhart, if you haven't already you should give Supernatural Encounters a read. It goes into so much detail of a sort of creation myth, including the celestials and how they shaped the universe. Abeloth and the Ones make an appearance
Its gone under the radar lol, but yeh its coming out in its full glory in about a month, recommend watching this video
ua-cam.com/video/DEArDNiOaJ0/v-deo.html
Love all your abeloth content!
I like Fate of the Jedi a lot. My favorite part *spoilers*
was when it was revealed that Callista had merged with Abeloth
Always love a good video on Abeloth
Loved that series so much.
Finished FOTJ last week. I love it. Its sad that so much ended open. But maybe one day we are getting an answer
I can’t with your dog lol that at the end gets me every time.
Theoretically, the black holes could drift apart, albeit in clusters. It all depends on the orbits. The black holes won't simply be attracted to each other as if they are magnets. Unless they are completely evenly distributed, the black holes could end up going in different directions. Also, there is a phenomena that opposes gravity called dark energy. The maw cluster was held together in stable orbits by centerpoint, and without centerpoint, some black holes will be pulled together, while some will "shoot" off. That said, things get very whacky when dealing with multiple black holes. With our current understanding of black holes, you can use two black holes interacting with each other travel back in time!
Better description: A number of facilities, Centerpoint and others included, were basically keeping them in an equilibrium of sorts. The ones that got destroyed first were the ones in charge of the "keeping them together" aspect. Other facilities were in charge of "keeping them far enough apart to not all join as one." Perhaps because this would either weaken the prison to combine them into a single localized entity, or because of some other reason that might have basically been "tl;dr, we need to use a bunch of black holes across a certain area of space in order to preserve the seal."
Or, in the event that Abaloth was, as per that one theory, a "reset button" more than a terror that the Ones tried to keep away, then perhaps letting all the black holes merge would have actually caused her harm. And perhaps the natural orbits combined with the various functions and alterations put into place by Centerpoint and similar facilities was, in fact, essentially an insanely large mechanical computer/clock which would be set to release her when she is needed. And which may have had a failsafe for in the event that one or more controlling stations were destroyed (which is very much possible given the theory being about her being a "reset switch" for when there is too much war).
@@SephirothRyu wow. Has some similarities to my idea with the whole equilibrium thing, but I really like your idea of it being similar to a giant mechanical computer. Sort of like a giant Antikythira Mechanism made of black holes and space stations. This would also seem to fit with how the Ones went about things, having their creations often have multiple purposes.
If only centerpoint station had a "do not move" warning
Anakin could control the Son and daughter, so maybe he has a big chance to defeat abeloth
But alas
*He ded*
Well, he would have to fight her on Mortis since Mortis Anakin is the only version that has that kind of power.
@@yggunshot8402 Yes, so he could lure her there and finish her off
@@toshitajoshi3851 I suppose so, Abeloth is pretty obsessed with the son and daughter so perhaps they could lure her to Mortis.
If Anakin drank from that fountain and dipped in that pool, yes! But not before then... 🤷♂️
Could you do videos on the swarm war and the dismissal of Luke from the Jedi order? These are things I haven’t heard of before...
And the craziest thing about her is that it took the most powerful jedi and sith working together to defeat her and Luke had to kill her physical body, defeat her mind and then go into the force realm and defeat her soul and she's still not dead he even stated she'll return one day.
Also she bathed from the fount of power and drank from the pool of knowledge, the overwhelming light and dark side power twisted her, broke her mind and drove her insane in addition to twisting her into a monster.
your vidoes and your content is dope keep up the great work.
I wonder if Abaloth is the one that fucked the Ratakan's connect to the force and brought about the ascendency of Man. Talk about chaos!
That would be kind of a cool thing to explore!
Well the black holes floating apart might be a result of Abeloth using her powers to slowly push open her cage. The other possibility is that the gravitational balancing act required would be insane as if you have a line of black holes eventually based on spacing and size some are going to move towards each other but that means that others will move away from each other creating larger gaps in some areas and smaller ones in others. Not to mention everything in space is already moving as it orbits the galaxy and everything in space pulls on everything else as star clusters pass by and many other things all move around changing the gravitational balance in an area.
Orbits in the galaxy are not like orbits in the solar system where everything is on a track and nicely spaced out. Look at our own solar system's history as our current closest neighboring star is 4 light years away but millions of years ago a star that is now like 22 light years away was less than a light year away from us. The galaxy is more like a busy highway with stars moving at different speeds as they pass by each other and shift around in positions. Their all going the same general direction but their not all gonna get there are the same time or same order. And as they pass each other they pull on each other causing some to slow down and others to speed up.
So yeah black holes getting pulled out of position over long periods of time makes perfect sense as nothing is stationary in space, it's only our point of view that makes it appear stationary. Much like people thought the sun went around the stationary Earth in ancient times because our perspective makes it appear that way.
Side Note: There is this misconception that black holes are gravitationally stronger than other objects. They are not, they are simply more compact as if you were to take a giant star of the same mass it would have the exact same effect gravitational speaking on the area around it. The main different is that because the mass is so compact you can get closer to the center of mass then you could a massive burning hot star. But also because the gravitational effects are so compact it creates a case were gravity won't let even light escape. But if you are say the distance out from it like that of Earth you won't even notice such as if you were to compress our star into a black hole the Earth would continue on it's orbit normally, granted the planet would freeze but in terms of gravitational effects on orbit nothing changes because the mass of the sun doesn't change, only how compressed that mass is.
It's like that video which weighs more a Kg of Steel or a Kg of Feathers and the guy immediately responses with a Kg of Steel. Then the rest of it is people trying to explain their weight is the same it's just Steel is more sense so we consider it heavier because it has more mass in a smaller area but when you have the same weight amount the objects weight the same by definition.
She deserves to be in a movie
UA-cam placed this video right next to "Physicist Brian Cox Explains Black Holes in Plain English - Joe Rogan" from two years ago, and both videos used the same black hole picture in their thumbnail.
*If drinking from the Font of Power gives you the power of the Dark Side, and bathing in the Pool of Wisdom gives you the power of the Light Side, but doing both drives you insane, then how did the Father gain his power over both without going insane like Abeloth?*
I think the father found a way to maintain balance unlike Abeloth. Though what balance is can be up for interpretation
@@thirdplanet4471 ahhh, thanks :)
Simple - the Father is a celestial!
Abeloth is one of those things that even gives Palpatine night terrors....
Yup! So much so even his greedy, ambitious ass stays away from her (and we all know he is in a never-ending quest for UNLIMITED POWER and will seek just about any method to get it)! 🤣
More accurately I think the black holes "drifting apart" was more like an illusion, that they would absorb one another rather without something to hold them apart and as they did would form "cracks" between those that were less proximal and those more proximal (and likely affected by Abeloth herself). This illusion may seem more accurate as the black holes were initially pulled together by both stations (however this assumes the stations could only pull them to that point and not from... which is kinda ridiculous). Alternatively it might just be that what kept the black holes from being able to absorb each other or consume Abeloth herself was Abeloth constantly pushing against them with the force (and this would also make sense... within the realm of Star Wars at least).
We did get a book on his quest knights... and what luke thinks could of been mortis..
Disney should have used Abeloth as an explanation for the singularity known as Rey.
Rey Palpatine as her avatar! 🤣
Are The Ones from this book or from Clone Wars?
She did not just drink from the Font of Power, she bathed in the Pool of Knowledge. If she just drank from the Font of Power, she would just be a dark side being like her son or dead.
I think this terrifying god is way more powerful than anything Vitiate ever encounter so far...
1:44 did anybody else say “the Holy Spirit “
The ones are like Nephilms. The children of angels and humans.
Imagine if the sequel trilogy had been about Snoke or Kylo trying to bring Abaloth into the galaxy, and then at the end of Episode 8 they actually do it.
I know. Would have been a way better plot line, and most of the material exists already.
Only for her to subsume them! 🤣
Sweet vid brotha! Do you know if she was in the comics?
🌙🌙🙏
I may or may not lemonade my pants after seeing Abeloth on the thumbnail ._.
The part about keeping the black holes together actually makes sense. They were probably held in place at specific locations, designed to prevent travel but also not so close they would fall into each other.
Loved the NJO/FOTJ books with her.
Her fear of left by the ones makes her to become blind of power make her drank from the font of power and bathed from the pool of knowledge making it to become abeloth
As I am watching this, it's currently 3:02 :3
*Hopefully nothing spooky happens*
Spoopy
Four dark gods watched from the sky...
Always plotting how the universe will die...
A unsuspecting pawn they found...
twisted she was till she was bound...
Four malignant energies consumed her soul.
Rage
pleasure
knowledge
and decay
was what replaced her soul.
Four dark gods smiled with glee...
As the slave of Chaos was unleashed...
Si if I understand well your theory, Abeloth is some kind of horrifyingly powerful chaos demon, like Be’Lakor?
@@FMirage2000C Something like that.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I like the Idea. :)
One of my favourite parts of Fate of the Jedi was actually the relationship and adventures of Ben and Luke.
The former had never been all that interesting to me and the latter had his ups and downs but them bonding over the losses of Jacen and Mara served as a strong emotional core of a story that otherwise didn't always hit the nail on the head for me.
Lol.. The dog at the end of the video... 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe Abeloth was behind the force plague the Rakatans suffered from
Abeloth and FotJ really made some fantastic chicken salad out of the proverbial chicken shit that was the Mordis arc in TCW.
It wasn’t that bad.
Of all of Star Wars legends expanded universe stuff Abaeloth was always the thing I hate the most. Just kind of a poor "What now?" sort of antagonist. "Luke's already faced all the big evils we could come up with, so what now?" "How about an evil Cthulhu god!"
Except they overshot and made her back story about being lonely when the fear of the lovecraftian horror is how unknowable they truly are.
Star Wars Legends did have a habit of jumping the shark.
Like, I love legends. I grew up on it. But I also don't fault the big D for decanonizing it. Imagine trying to work around the existence of stuff like this when writing a movie.
@@wolfpredator1000 I'd rather something more interesting with the actual setting rather then adding something new.
For instance they seem to jump between just democracies and Facism. Wouldn't it be an interesting change if they tried communism? Like everyone just got real sick of both those and tried to create an everyone's equal movement that gets out of hand?
@@wolfpredator1000 they did a different version of “The Empire” with the Legacy comics and honestly, it was leaps and bounds better than FOTJ. We got to see a more compassionate Empire that won over the favor of a lot of the Galaxy until the Sith got involved again.
I love the EU but this whole book run is a point against it IMO.
@@teamcybr8375 There was already a policy of "whatever happens in books is canon unless another level up overrides it". Like, Ryloth is now a mountainous French planet instead of a tidally locked world because of Star Wars The Clone Wars. Disney could have simply continued that.
Bro didn’t you already make a video on this???
Like 4 times 😂
New microphone? Sounds really clear.
Yeah but how would she do against the Flood?
Legends > Disney canon
Nice!
Hang on: they could make all these black holes surround a planet... but somehow could not grab her with it and chuck her in one. Seems legit.
Wait the Killiks? I wonder if any Joiners like Vector Hyllus from SWTOR know about Abeloth then.
Why do I feel like you do a similar Abeloth video every year?
I think all the star wars UA-camrs keep making them
It is their way of telegraphing their wish for a Star Wars film featuring Abeloth! 🤣
Final villain before star wars content is permanently finished
lol I remember the original video that you made. That pin literally gave me nightmares
Ehhhh... Chaos gods better
Darth Nihilus vs Abeloth👀👀👀
Abeloth oneshots him with ease lol, Nihilus is so overrated
@@exarkun9790 Hah!!! Nihilus would easily drain the Force from You!!!
🤔
Then you'll forever be called Exar Prune!!!😂🙊😂
@@edmai6451 Not really, Traya confirmed Nihilus was only approaching the power of Ajunta Pall, Exar Kun is multiple one shot gaps above Pall thus would oneshot Nihilus lol
😂👍😂
@@edmai6451 your name is truth hurts yet you are disputing the truth to fanboy Nihilus, would you like me to pull up some sources and scaling for you
What would happen if the Jedi order encountered the Second Foundation?
Lol how many videos does Eck have about Abeloth
At least three, including this one.
Too many
a bunch and he still hasn't covered half of the lore on her lol
I should not be watching this before bed
This story would make an awesome animated series a shame its not better gone into
After this video was made, I started getting ads for new Star Wars books and comics from legends. Is legends making a comeback?
I kinda feel like they could bring Abeloth into canon, (head canon she created the plant creatures of the high republic) albeit quite reworked. I would make her a true mortis god as the mother and be the opposite of the father (order). I wouldn't make her a truly evil character, but not a character anyone can really truly trust her motives. More like a true Chaotic neutral.
In a way, a Lovecraftian horror.
And because the Ones are still alive at that point, it would make a storyarc where the shit doesnt hit the fan to hard.
I just love Vestara Khai...
Haha 40k space horrors go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Isn't Abeloth very ancient? The woman who would become the Mother and later Abeloth crash landed on the planet the Ones(the Father, the Son, and the Daughter) lived on before Mortis around 100,00 BBY. At least, that's what I read on Wookiepedia. I don't think I've ever heard what her race was before she became Abeloth. Maybe it was a long extinct race, because I haven't heard of any races that had interstellar spaceships around the time of 100,000 BBY, but I'm no Star Wars expert. .
Around that time the celestials were around and some races discovered the secrets to interstellar flight.
@@WonkelDee Was one of those races humans? That seems to be the most common depiction of Abeloth when she was a mortal.
@@nathaniellong4281 Her appearance on the jungle planet is a mystery. It was never revealed how she got there.
@@WonkelDee When she started getting old, did she go to the Ones for help? From what I read on Wookiepedia, through her hard work and dedication to her new family, all of their lives vastly improved, and all 4 of them were very happy. If she brought the fact that she was growing old and may soon die, I would think the other 3 would be willing to at least listen to her, if not come up with some ideas to help. Or did she just act on her own accord without talking to her new family members?
@@nathaniellong4281 She acted out of desperation.
Saw Abeloth vid, had to watch. Abeloth scared TF out of me as a kid. Disney did FotJ dirty, right as it was getting really good.
we never got anything after this series because disney said f the fans.
Yet another villain who would have been a better fit in the Disney trilogy instead of f***ing Palpatine. And to justify Abeloth's appearance they could have said that Palpatine's death on the second Death Star created a massive schism in the force (i.e the explosion that occurred after he fell down). Also the first order would be led by Lumiya or Inquisitor Jerac in this ideal scenario.
Tragically, JJ Abrams is a hack writer with no creativity.
Lumiya would've been an interesting villain. Declaring herself the next empress, turning Kylo to the Dark Side and maybe striking a deal with Abeloth for more power could've been cool.
@@johnnygyro2295 the fact that Lumiya isn’t talked about more as a big bad is criminal. A ST where she is whispering in Jacen Solo’s war for three movies culminating in Jacen killing Mara and Luke going into exile would have been solid.
The Last of the Fate Jedi Books;
Also, can You do a vid of Tenebrae (the Sith Emperor)?
Didn’t you already make a video about this a couple of years ago? Why the retread?
I hope this was part of the E.U. that got thrown out.