I have a blind grandson. He passed hunters ed. 100%. I bought a device that you put on your scope with a mount that I can put my phone camera in and see through the scope over his shoulder and guide sight alignment. We have been practicing of a bench in the back yard with a pellet gun, soon to graduate to a rifle. He has a cow elk permit in November. In which we will hunt from a blind. Success means the greatest trophy of my life and probably his. I wanted to pas this on for seeing impaired hunters as this may help them.
Congrats sir. Yur grandson will have memorable sights and sounds like the Elks calling their neighbors up there. Fresh Pine Wood smells of the Pine Pitch oozing from the surrounding trees. I would suggest having the Game Processor Saw the Neck into slabs for Smoking like a Brisket Beef
I was sitting in a tree stand with a bolt action 308 topped with a scope... a deer came in on my right and turned right... rather than attempt to turn around and risk spooking the deer, I brought the rifle up to my left shoulder... I couldn't see through the scope until I realized I had to close my right eye. I was successful in using my weak eye and weak side even though I had never tried it before. Now I regularly fire a few rounds from my weak side just for the sake of practice and confidence. Great info and great stories too. Thanks for all you do.
OK.... long time reloader here, and a bit 'old school', but my experience might beuseful.... A chronograph is essential to work up loads, especially in the absence of a manual, but useful always.... Velocity increases quite linearly with each identical powder increment, until suddenly you get one and a half or twice the velocity jump with the same powder increase. You are now at the bottom of the dangerous exponential pressure curve for that powder/bullet combination.... time to back off to perhaps half a grain below the charge before the one that gave the velocity jump, to allow for hot days etc. If that sounds complicated, an example would be something like this.... 45gr gives 2700fps, 46 gives 2750 but 47 gives 2850... safest charge would be 45.5gr.... This is operating at the upper end of the safe zone for that powder/bullet/case/primer, so half a grain less is fine. Your target will not know the difference. Maximum loads are rarely the most accurate. Watching for signs of distress in primers and case heads is quite dangerous as variations in primer hardness and case temper can be misleading; doubly so for rlfles with actions not as brute strong as most bolt guns, and of course for handguns which have smaller reserves of strength. The Chronograph never lies, but cases and primers can deceive you. A basic Chronograph costs less than $100, and is the best investment any handloader can make. Keep safe out there y'all.
Hey Ron, for split fingers due to the cold, try some Super Glue!!! Have had the same problems with my hands for years along with my father, we said goodbye to bandaids and neosporin and hello to Super Glue 🙂 Love your program sir!!!
Ron, my .32 special is the Remington. 32 in the Remington model 14 pump. From my grandfather through my dad to me. Shot my first deer with it Thanksgiving weekend 1976, a nice 4x5 Northern Minnesota whitetail.
Yeah.... I agree. Nice job explaining all that. I wish I were as good at explaining stuff like that! But I've been loading ammo for over 50 years.... and can relate well to all you talked about pressure signs. Primer pocket expansion is a sign of very high (and maybe dangerous) pressures. If the Primer pocket expands, throw that case away, and reduce your charge one or two grains (or more if necessary). I miss that show, WKRP in Cincinnati!
books have maximum charge with an overall cartridge length. longer OAL that will fit your gun and magazine will increase powder volume and go above book max. This is why we don't share reloads.
The hardest part about reloading in general has been reloading for pistols, the only pressure sign you get while loading for 357sig is a flat primer and maybe a little leak around the primer by then you're definitely overpressured.
I have a 788 in 6mm in left hand (for the last 35 years) and was my first bolt action and I hunted with a friend who had and has a 32 special. both good calibers.
I have my grandpa's 32 win special model 94 made in 1904. It has a heavy octagonal barrel. It's accurate and fun to shoot. Going to start loading for it since factory ammo is hard to find
I’ve found one of MY more ‘EXTRA-careful’ aspects has to be around the swaging of mil spec ( military) 5.56 brass to “roll the crimp” out and making sure the pocket has been RE-sized correctly..as in NOT too big. And also with bullet seating, particularly with crimping..basically HOW MUCH is too much (so as not to have bullet “set-back”). All my reloading has been semi-autos to this point. Great show Ron. One of your BEST!
"Overstabilization" is a holdover from the early days of fast twist barrels. There was a time that you could spin a bullet too fast. It would fly apart (disintegrate if you will) from centrifugal forces before reaching the target. The gun gurus of that time called it "overstabilized" when that happened. This hasn't been an issue for several decades because bullet construction is so much better now. Of course, if you are going to go back to hard cast bullets, or 22 Lr cases for homemade jacketed bullets, this could become an issue again. Keyholes in paper targets usually indicate too little stabilization. Think of that wobbling top. The rear can oscillate around the flight path of the point. This is self limiting with enough distance, but anything less than "maximum accurate distance" will show this "wobble" on a paper target. The 32 Special was a nod to handloaders. The rifleling was optimized for cast bullets. Otherwise, it's a 30-30 that uses heavier bullets of a slightly larger diameter. Not all, but a big part of the problem with primers is government contracts. Our government, in its infinite wisdom, has decided to arm the IRS, VA, Social Security, etc, with guns and ammo. Government contracts must be filled first. Under normal business conditions, having a continuing government contract is a good thing. However, when our government starts arming departments that have zero business being armed, those same contracts create a shortage downstream... All US companies have expanded efforts to counter the shortages, but it all takes time.
Hi Ron ,I listened to the same podcast ,I'm from South Africa, Dr Robinson basically also said that 375 hh under performs compaired to bigger magnums on charging animals
Re : stability. My correspondence with Hornady recommend a max rpm of 280,000. I had an issue with a M96 using 100gr projectiles, key holes... buzzing noise .. Untill I found the sweet spot 52.4gr of powder . No more no less and the same powder
I have my grandfather's custom made 30-06 built by Wes Ugaldi (Work for TC for years). It would not stabilize light bulits (130-125) range. Speed was 3100 on reloads but it flung them all over and many hit sideways. This was for a Antalope hunt in mid 1990's for me. We went back to 165 interlocks at 2950 that shot 3/4 inch groups and never looked back for Deer or Antalope. Was a very disasters experiment for the 10 or so shots we (Father and I) took. 😅
QuickLoad is missing several key inputs that affect pressure: free run to the start of engraving, shot start pressure, bullet construction & geometry, external lubrication on the bullet, pressure gradient between chamber and the base of the bullet, etc. Be careful drawing conclusions with QuickLoad.
@@jeffsiewert1258 Do you know of a better computer program? No computer program can ever be as accurate as the pressure data collected from firing the load in a real firearm.
I found some 6mm Remington for sale to answer your questioner Ron. Unfortunately it is currently going for about $60 bucks for a box of 20. Not like buying safari cartridges but pretty expensive.
My buddy's uncle and grandfather swear by the 6mm Remington, but they're the only ones on our lease to have lost game. Is the cartridge loaded with projectiles that are inappropriate for their velocity? He's never had a problem losing game w his .243 Winchester.
Hey Ron i think i told you about this already in another video about shooting wrong cases in wrong gun i was in a hurry it was getting dark out fast was making sure are guns was still on for first day of PA deer season i was shooting a 308 and 30-06 was done with 308 not paying attention i grabbed a 308 and put it in the 30-06 and when I shot it was like i got hit with a percussion grenade and almost got the bolt in my teeth when bolt blowed back the extractor come off bolt prime come out, the 308 round formed cazy the shoulder match to the 06 with a big hole where bullet goes believe it or not it hit right beside the 1st two 06 hits before i messed up, sent gun back to savge they put the extractor back on bolt and said gun was fine and still shoots 1in groups at 100yards if you want i can mail you that 308 case so you can show it next to a 06 on a video
EVER use PERIODS..or punctuation?! Geez. IF you want people to take you serious, and you want people to READ it and have it (ACTUALLY) make sense, try it…
On over stabilizing, a bullet rotating too fast due to too fast rifling can technically break apart. This occurs when your bullet has poor cohesion (cast lead does worse here then heavy jacketed bullets). The solution is either change your rifling or your bullets. On the new 8.6 blackout I've heard this is a problem as cast lead bullets and some factory offerings can't withstand a 1/3 twist rate.
I am wondering if you can see evidence of overpressure from the extractor deforming the extractor rim, or whatever you call it, on the case. I am guessing that if the case is momentarily stuck, especially in a semi-auto, the extractor would have to break the case free, and that might damage the rim. In regard to finding primers and ammo for old guns, try the gun auctions. Some of them also sell ammo and reloading supplies.
Owen, Jeremy at Iron Hill Armory in St. James, MO. They should be able to hook you up. Hit up gun shows, they had some at the one in Pacific a couple of weeks ago.
Had a friend do some reloading for my 1938 swedish mauser years back before I started reloading,let's just say he blew it up on me, I was shooting from a bench the rifle was covering nice groups at 100 yards until I noticed it wasn't, while I let the rifle cool I sat a broken screw laying on the table, I got concerned quickly well the barreled action lifted up out of the stock,I ejected the spent case and it looked like someone cut it at the web with a tubing cutter,the chamber stretched that was it for that rifle I wasn't happy,, pressure matters😢 also could you do a segment on the mosin nagant rifle and 7.62x54r cartridge
You can change your eye dominance by training your vision. It is like training someone to shoot with both eyes open. Wear an eye patch over your dominant eye and force your non dominant eye to take over all of your vision. After a period of time your vision will change it's eye dominance and you can go back to life without the eye patch.
Ron, place your button-logo over the Apple logo back of your laptop. Just think it would look nice. I should say my new favorite calibers 357 Maximum & 6mm arc.
I have a question that's kinda off topic but I'm going on an elk hunt and I was wondering if my henry big boy 44mag is enough for elk and I have a 30-06 and a 300 win mag I know those are more then capable of bringing down an elk but I just wanted to use my lever gun and yes my henry has a scope on it so I'm just curious if the 44mag is powerful enough to kill an elk and what is my range limit. Love the videos very educational keep it up.
The guys at the gun shop scoff whenever I ask about magnum primers. I'm going to just try loading my 7mm RM with regular primers. That wouldn't be a problem if I could experiment with different powders, BUT I CANT FIND MAGNUM POWDERS EITHER
One cause of over pressure that is often overlooked is the failure to wipe off all the case lube off the reloaded cartridges. Lube left on cartridges can increase pressure by as much as 50%. Since the case is unable to seal the chamber properly on ignition causing a pressure spike. As far as over stabilizing a bullet it is possible to spin a bullet with a very fast twist rate so fast the jacket comes apart from the heat and resistance as the bullet leaves the barrel.
Don't cheap out on powder pick one that fill most of the case, and has velocity you want with the lowest pressures you willing to accept. Sure it may cost you maybe penny more here & there but it's really hard to double charge a case that is 80% of the way full. if you screw up having lower pressure powder it will tend to be more forgiving. Also pick a powder with a lot load data on different grain weights on it so you don't have to guess.
On bullet stabilization, when jacketed bullets first camp e out the jackets were hard to make with consistent side walls. With the jacket being thick on one side and thin on the other this made the lead core off center in the jacket. When a bullet like that is shot, when in the barrel it spins around the car enter of form, once it leaves the barrel it spins around the center of gravity. When spun slowly this has less effect on accuracy than when spun faster. Many rifles use a twist rate that barely stabilizes the bullet to keep less than perfect bullets shooting good. As time went on the process of making jackets more uniform. Many match grade bullets the jacket walls are so uniform it's hard the measure the difference. Also they have greatly increased ballistic coefficients. This makes bullets much longer for the same weight. These longer bullets need to spin faster to stabilize. Shooting them in to slow a twist rate can cause keyholing on target. One example of this is I have a Stevens 200 in 223 with a 12 inch twist. It shoots bullets of 55 grains great. Even the boattail fmj's used in the 5,56x45. Trying to shoot the 62 grain 5.56x45 military load is unstable enough it keyholes at 50 yards, as far as I can shoot in my back yard. In my AR-15 with a 7 inch twist it shoots well with bullets up to the 75 gr boattail soft point I use to hunt deer with. Haven't tried anything heavier yet. Another thing about twist rate. When the twist rate barley stabilizes the bullet it tends to tumble when it hits a soft target. This tumbling can cause the bullet to fragment more than what a faster twist rate does. You can see this when testing in ballistic gellaten. Even with fast twist rates bullets can tumble in the target. You can see this in this testing too. The BC of a bullet is dependent of the density of the material it passes through. Air has little density, soft targets are much denser. This change or density destabilizes a bullet. This causing tumbling. When the bullet impacts a soft target velocity drops very quickly, thus needing a change in spin to be stable. Bullets that work well for deep penetration, like used to hunt very large and dangerous game are heavy for the caliber, lower velocity and low BC's. These bullets don't need a fast twist to be stable. This lower velocity and spin rate keeps the bullet stable in the animal to maximize penetration. This helps kill the game quickly so you are less likely to be hurt or worse. These dangerous bullets have many other design features to help them penetrate. Harder thicker jackets and harder cores are some of these features. Nose shape plays a role as well. If you look in most new loading manuals they list recommended twist rates for these higher BC bullets. These new bullets make long range accuracy easier to achieve. Such as some shooters can shot 1000 yard ground of less than 2 inches. They use custom built rifles and hand crafted loads using very precise techniques to achieve such accuracy. They start with very high quality bullets and sort by weight and reshape the bullet points to make every bullet as consistent as possible. Then work for years training their mind and body to perform at a level that can achieve such accuracy.
Measure the head of the case, just above the extractor groove and it should not expand more than half a thousandth, above that you have too much pressure.
Hey Ron, i was wondering if since you printed a book on 7mm, are you going to write maybe a shorter book on 6.5s? There's a lot of talk about them these days. Even though nobody ever mentions the old school 6.5 Arisaka. Definitely not a favorite of mine, but was very useful back on the farm in the late 70s & 80s for predators in the fields & livestock areas.
In my neck of the woods, you can get .32 Winchester special ammo but not .300 savage. Go figure. I have a plentiful supply of the .32 ammo and once fired brass, not so much with the .300 savage.
My dad taught me to reload and also said never load max in a book before the eighties because they actually listed the max versus today they don’t for legal reasons. Also understanding c.u.p or copper units of pressure an old and arguably more accurate way of measuring pressure
That brings to mind another question I have been wondering about, how fast a twist rate can we really do? These new wonder cartridges for long range increased the twist rate and lengthened the throat to accomodate the longer bullet. For example i think 1 in 8 is standard for 6.5 creedmore, .308 is 1 in 10. What happens when we go to 1 in 6 twist and I assume the bullet diameter will have to be smaller. Just wondering about your thoughts on this Ron. I imagine there is a sweet spot and we will see some crazy stuff come out in the near future. Peace and Grace.
Sir, twist rates result from bullet length and muzzle velocity. The longer the bullet and lower the launch velocity, the greater the twist rate needed to stabilize them. There is no reason to twist faster then needed for basic gyroscopic stability. Excessive twist can increase chamber pressures unnecessarily and even tear apart thinly jacketed bullets. Hyper spin once the bullet has left the barrel has been proven to spin some bullets apart in the air.
I am left-eye dominant. I just naturally grabbed whatever it was-- bow, rifle, shotgun, pool cue-- and started shooting left-handed. Never thought anything about it. I don't find any handicap in shooting a bolt action left-handed. Pull the gun into the shoulder with the left hand and work the bolt with the right. No big deal.
I still don't understand how the new military round is going to run at 80k psi I guess the base of the case is steel, so the case holds together But I have to think those barrels are going to.. get shredded no?
They will probably have decreased barrel life due to accelerated throat erosion. To get those speeds from a 13inch barrel they have to be using a pretty fast burning powder, hence the higher pressure. Their idea is to use normal pressure range 'training ammo' with normal brass cases and regular copper bullets for most training, then issue the higher pressure, hybrid cased, steel tipped bullet cartridges for deployments and potential conflict zones. We saw a similar strategy when the new M855A1 and M80A1 cartridges started to be rolled out. We'd be issued the older green tip M855 for training, then we'd get the new 855A1 when deployed. That was earlier on when the new cartridge was running very high pressures, they backed them down a bit and now it's issued from basic training to deployed soldiers and everywhere in-between. They did have to re-work a lot of the range facilities for the new round due to increased ricochets but that was due to the bullet design. But yeah the new cartridge is not a great idea in my opinion, and the 'duty' ammo for lack of a better term will tear up barrels quite quickly, especially in the machine guns. Impressive round, but imagine running a full auto 6mm creedmoore, yikes. You'll get through a combat load of 1000 rounds and that barrel will be shot out.
Pressure in the case is like the compression ratio in an engine the less empty space in the case the more pressure, and more empty space in the case the less pressure, that's why a certain amount of powder used in both a 308 and a 30/06 will make more power for the 308 than the 30/06 The bigger case has more room and more empty space and a little more chamber pressure can give you a little more power, so it would take more powder to match the chamber pressure of the 308 in the 30/06 but if it did the 30/06 would make more power, -- you need some empty space for the gas to expand if you don't have enough the pressure will be to high,
* Pay attention to the burn rate for each type of powder. Load according to what the books say about the volume ( grains ) of the type of powder your planning on loading. You can use different types of powder in your reloads, but you sure can't use the same grain weight for powders with different burn rates. You can create an extremely high pressure situation by filling a case up with a fast burning powder. You can also create an extremely high pressure situation by loading a case with to small a volume of powder ( especially a fast burning powder ) that will not move the projectile fast enough to keep up with the expanding gases. I've always tried to use a slow burning powder whenever possible. It's a little more expensive to load, but it has advantages, and one is that it's difficult to throw a double charge of powder.
Bullets can wobble due to being manufactured with imperfect weight distribution, or due to traveling down the bore nonconcentrically. The question about over stabilization is asking whether an unnecessarily fast twist will cause a bullet to wobble more when it leaves the muzzle than the same bullet would wobble if it were minimally stabilized. The answer is yes. For instance, a 308 Win 11 or 12 twist will stabilize a 220 grain bullet. If you have a 9 twist 308, it will spin a 150 grain bullet faster than it needs, exacerbating wobble.
Yes, Scott, an unbalanced bullet will do that, but I don't credit that as an over-stabilization problem, but an unbalanced bullet problem. I'm keeping an open mind, but aside from high RPM tearing apart weak bullets and revealing bullet imbalance, I haven't see where increased spin is a problem. Perhaps someone else can enlighten me further. Thanks for your contribution.
Here’s the most recent authoritative example. But competition shooters have known that minimal twist yields the best accuracy, and that’s with match bullets. Hunting bullets are not as perfectly balanced as match bullets, so over-spinning them is asking for trouble. ua-cam.com/video/B4GOxTa9TDE/v-deo.html
Adopting an overly aggressive twist rate for cartridges capable of extreme velocities is a bad idea. You might be tempted to replace your 22-250’s 1:14 twist barrel, optimized for 55 grain bullets, with 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel so you can handload the new 90 grain .224 bullets. But the mfrs’ recommended twist for those bullets assumes 224 Valkyrie velocity of 2700. Your 22-250 may work with them, too, but you’re risking rendering it useless for 55 grain bullets. This is the trap that 7mm magnum shooters fall into. They build a 1:8 twist rifle so they can shoot 195 grain bullets, only to discover that their new barrel won’t group with bullets
If you have a bullet that is spinning to fast and not stable, it is because it is not balanced. Meaning that it has more weight in certain areas that others. I am taking this from experience in balancing tires. You spin a tire too fast and it will get crazy. The word homogeneous comes to mind, but I am not sure that is the correct wording. Everything has to be all the same in density and weight when it comes to high speed.
I’m right handed but left eye dominant which I didn’t Learn until my late 20s early 30s when I was a kid I would try to use my left eye shooting from right handed position but my grandfather and dad broke me of it at probably 7-10 yrs old now I shoot right handed with my right eye and do pretty well but wonder if the knowledge of eye dominant thing’s existence was there in the mid 80s like it is today who knows I could be the greatest sniper lol seriously joking
I do have to say that most of my life, I was right eye dominant, but an injury to my right eye changed that, so I had to relearn shooting with my left hand and left eye but as you spend alittle time you can relearn it even though the bolt is on the right I do just fine except for the Monty Carlo stocks that will not work for me since they are on the right of the right hand stock and the lefthand stock won't work because the bolt is on the right so all I can say is practice, it was strange at first but it's fine now. Aim small good hunting GOD bless.
Hey Ron i think i told you about this already in another video about shooting wrong cases in wrong gun i was in a hurry it was getting dark out fast was making sure are guns was still on for first day of PA deer season i was shooting a 308 and 30-06 was done with 308 not paying attention i grabbed a 308 and put it in the 30-06 and when I shot it was like i got hit with a percussion grenade and almost got the bolt in my teeth when bolt blowed back the extractor come off bolt prime come out, the 308 round formed cazy the shoulder match to the 06 with a big hole where bullet goes believe it or not it hit right beside the 1st two 06 hits before i messed up, sent gun back to savge they put the extractor back on bolt and said gun was fine and still shoots 1in groups at 100yards if you want i can mail you that 308 case so you can show it next to a 06 on a video
I have a blind grandson. He passed hunters ed. 100%. I bought a device that you put on your scope with a mount that I can put my phone camera in and see through the scope over his shoulder and guide sight alignment. We have been practicing of a bench in the back yard with a pellet gun, soon to graduate to a rifle. He has a cow elk permit in November. In which we will hunt from a blind. Success means the greatest trophy of my life and probably his. I wanted to pas this on for seeing impaired hunters as this may help them.
Congrats sir. Yur grandson will have memorable sights and sounds like the Elks calling their neighbors up there. Fresh Pine Wood smells of the Pine Pitch oozing from the surrounding trees. I would suggest having the Game Processor Saw the Neck into slabs for Smoking like a Brisket Beef
I wish him GREAT success!
I hope he bags a huge elk and enjoys the hunt! Being blind means his other senses are probably abnormally acute and might give him a hidden advantage.
This is wild to think of, but amazing nonetheless
I was sitting in a tree stand with a bolt action 308 topped with a scope... a deer came in on my right and turned right... rather than attempt to turn around and risk spooking the deer, I brought the rifle up to my left shoulder... I couldn't see through the scope until I realized I had to close my right eye. I was successful in using my weak eye and weak side even though I had never tried it before. Now I regularly fire a few rounds from my weak side just for the sake of practice and confidence. Great info and great stories too. Thanks for all you do.
OK.... long time reloader here, and a bit 'old school', but my experience might beuseful....
A chronograph is essential to work up loads, especially in the absence of a manual, but useful always....
Velocity increases quite linearly with each identical powder increment, until suddenly you get one and a half or twice the velocity jump with the same powder increase. You are now at the bottom of the dangerous exponential pressure curve for that powder/bullet combination.... time to back off to perhaps half a grain below the charge before the one that gave the velocity jump, to allow for hot days etc.
If that sounds complicated, an example would be something like this.... 45gr gives 2700fps, 46 gives 2750 but 47 gives 2850... safest charge would be 45.5gr.... This is operating at the upper end of the safe zone for that powder/bullet/case/primer, so half a grain less is fine. Your target will not know the difference. Maximum loads are rarely the most accurate.
Watching for signs of distress in primers and case heads is quite dangerous as variations in primer hardness and case temper can be misleading; doubly so for rlfles with actions not as brute strong as most bolt guns, and of course for handguns which have smaller reserves of strength. The Chronograph never lies, but cases and primers can deceive you. A basic Chronograph costs less than $100, and is the best investment any handloader can make.
Keep safe out there y'all.
Hey Ron, for split fingers due to the cold, try some Super Glue!!!
Have had the same problems with my hands for years along with my father, we said goodbye to bandaids and neosporin and hello to Super Glue 🙂 Love your program sir!!!
Ron, my .32 special is the Remington. 32 in the Remington model 14 pump. From my grandfather through my dad to me. Shot my first deer with it Thanksgiving weekend 1976, a nice 4x5 Northern Minnesota whitetail.
If you can find some old 244 Remington brass, it's exactly the same as 6mm Remington. The subject is an interesting story.
Very good on the over pressure signs Ron!!
Yeah.... I agree. Nice job explaining all that. I wish I were as good at explaining stuff like that!
But I've been loading ammo for over 50 years.... and can relate well to all you talked about pressure signs.
Primer pocket expansion is a sign of very high (and maybe dangerous) pressures.
If the Primer pocket expands, throw that case away, and reduce your charge one or two grains (or more if necessary).
I miss that show, WKRP in Cincinnati!
books have maximum charge with an overall cartridge length. longer OAL that will fit your gun and magazine will increase powder volume and go above book max. This is why we don't share reloads.
The hardest part about reloading in general has been reloading for pistols, the only pressure sign you get while loading for 357sig is a flat primer and maybe a little leak around the primer by then you're definitely overpressured.
Shot my first wt with a 32 special. A gun that all us boys started hunting with. A lot of game was taken with that hun over the year's.
I have a 788 in 6mm in left hand (for the last 35 years) and was my first bolt action and I hunted with a friend who had and has a 32 special. both good calibers.
I have my grandpa's 32 win special model 94 made in 1904. It has a heavy octagonal barrel. It's accurate and fun to shoot. Going to start loading for it since factory ammo is hard to find
I’ve found one of MY more ‘EXTRA-careful’ aspects has to be around the swaging of mil spec ( military) 5.56 brass to “roll the crimp” out and making sure the pocket has been RE-sized correctly..as in NOT too big. And also with bullet seating, particularly with crimping..basically HOW MUCH is too much (so as not to have bullet “set-back”). All my reloading has been semi-autos to this point. Great show Ron. One of your BEST!
Thanks, I think you covered it all.
"Overstabilization" is a holdover from the early days of fast twist barrels. There was a time that you could spin a bullet too fast. It would fly apart (disintegrate if you will) from centrifugal forces before reaching the target. The gun gurus of that time called it "overstabilized" when that happened. This hasn't been an issue for several decades because bullet construction is so much better now. Of course, if you are going to go back to hard cast bullets, or 22 Lr cases for homemade jacketed bullets, this could become an issue again.
Keyholes in paper targets usually indicate too little stabilization. Think of that wobbling top. The rear can oscillate around the flight path of the point. This is self limiting with enough distance, but anything less than "maximum accurate distance" will show this "wobble" on a paper target.
The 32 Special was a nod to handloaders. The rifleling was optimized for cast bullets. Otherwise, it's a 30-30 that uses heavier bullets of a slightly larger diameter.
Not all, but a big part of the problem with primers is government contracts. Our government, in its infinite wisdom, has decided to arm the IRS, VA, Social Security, etc, with guns and ammo. Government contracts must be filled first. Under normal business conditions, having a continuing government contract is a good thing. However, when our government starts arming departments that have zero business being armed, those same contracts create a shortage downstream... All US companies have expanded efforts to counter the shortages, but it all takes time.
It is still a thing. Look up 8.6 blackout.
Hi Ron ,I listened to the same podcast ,I'm from South Africa, Dr Robinson basically also said that 375 hh under performs compaired to bigger magnums on charging animals
Good advice. Thanks Ron.
Ron...a 'sticky bullet'' may raise pressures slightly - but really its OAL of the cartridge - which is determined by your own gun's barrel
Re : stability. My correspondence with Hornady recommend a max rpm of 280,000. I had an issue with a M96 using 100gr projectiles, key holes... buzzing noise .. Untill I found the sweet spot 52.4gr of powder . No more no less and the same powder
Bass pro has been having primers $60 for 1000 limit 5 boxes per customer
13:02 - This piece of advice is good but impossible for me. I have never found any factory ammo for 7mm TCU. This is a 7mm bullet in a 223 case...
Great excessive pressure recap!!!
PPU makes 6mm Rem ammo too. Thankfully I handload for my Remington 600 in 6mm Rem.
I have my grandfather's custom made 30-06 built by Wes Ugaldi (Work for TC for years). It would not stabilize light bulits (130-125) range. Speed was 3100 on reloads but it flung them all over and many hit sideways. This was for a Antalope hunt in mid 1990's for me. We went back to 165 interlocks at 2950 that shot 3/4 inch groups and never looked back for Deer or Antalope. Was a very disasters experiment for the 10 or so shots we (Father and I) took. 😅
WKRP... now I feel old.
The computer programs, QuickLoad and Gordon's Reloading Tool, can be very helpful in helping predict pressures.
QuickLoad is missing several key inputs that affect pressure: free run to the start of engraving, shot start pressure, bullet construction & geometry, external lubrication on the bullet, pressure gradient between chamber and the base of the bullet, etc. Be careful drawing conclusions with QuickLoad.
@@jeffsiewert1258 Do you know of a better computer program?
No computer program can ever be as accurate as the pressure data collected from firing the load in a real firearm.
Hornady has 6 MM Rem, and in Superformance, too.
Good stuff Ron.
I found some 6mm Remington for sale to answer your questioner Ron. Unfortunately it is currently going for about $60 bucks for a box of 20. Not like buying safari cartridges but pretty expensive.
Rom Hornady makes the 6mm remington Nosler does and ,Remington still does and a few others.
Federal has a custom shop as well
My buddy's uncle and grandfather swear by the 6mm Remington, but they're the only ones on our lease to have lost game. Is the cartridge loaded with projectiles that are inappropriate for their velocity? He's never had a problem losing game w his .243 Winchester.
Hey Ron i think i told you about this already in another video about shooting wrong cases in wrong gun i was in a hurry it was getting dark out fast was making sure are guns was still on for first day of PA deer season i was shooting a 308 and 30-06 was done with 308 not paying attention i grabbed a 308 and put it in the 30-06 and when I shot it was like i got hit with a percussion grenade and almost got the bolt in my teeth when bolt blowed back the extractor come off bolt prime come out, the 308 round formed cazy the shoulder match to the 06 with a big hole where bullet goes believe it or not it hit right beside the 1st two 06 hits before i messed up, sent gun back to savge they put the extractor back on bolt and said gun was fine and still shoots 1in groups at 100yards if you want i can mail you that 308 case so you can show it next to a 06 on a video
EVER use PERIODS..or punctuation?! Geez. IF you want people to take you serious, and you want people to READ it and have it (ACTUALLY) make sense, try it…
On over stabilizing, a bullet rotating too fast due to too fast rifling can technically break apart. This occurs when your bullet has poor cohesion (cast lead does worse here then heavy jacketed bullets). The solution is either change your rifling or your bullets.
On the new 8.6 blackout I've heard this is a problem as cast lead bullets and some factory offerings can't withstand a 1/3 twist rate.
I found primers on sportsman's warehouse on occasion and midsouth has some most of the time.
I am wondering if you can see evidence of overpressure from the extractor deforming the extractor rim, or whatever you call it, on the case. I am guessing that if the case is momentarily stuck, especially in a semi-auto, the extractor would have to break the case free, and that might damage the rim. In regard to finding primers and ammo for old guns, try the gun auctions. Some of them also sell ammo and reloading supplies.
Owen, Jeremy at Iron Hill Armory in St. James, MO. They should be able to hook you up. Hit up gun shows, they had some at the one in Pacific a couple of weeks ago.
Had a friend do some reloading for my 1938 swedish mauser years back before I started reloading,let's just say he blew it up on me, I was shooting from a bench the rifle was covering nice groups at 100 yards until I noticed it wasn't, while I let the rifle cool I sat a broken screw laying on the table, I got concerned quickly well the barreled action lifted up out of the stock,I ejected the spent case and it looked like someone cut it at the web with a tubing cutter,the chamber stretched that was it for that rifle I wasn't happy,, pressure matters😢 also could you do a segment on the mosin nagant rifle and 7.62x54r cartridge
Think of excess pressure in a hand loaded cartridge as too much boost on a turbocharged engine. Too much blows head gaskets, can bend rods, etc.
You can change your eye dominance by training your vision. It is like training someone to shoot with both eyes open. Wear an eye patch over your dominant eye and force your non dominant eye to take over all of your vision. After a period of time your vision will change it's eye dominance and you can go back to life without the eye patch.
Not if , like me the bad eye can see fingers at 5 ft. I am right handed & left eyed .
Ron, place your button-logo over the Apple logo back of your laptop. Just think it would look nice. I should say my new favorite calibers 357 Maximum & 6mm arc.
I have a question that's kinda off topic but I'm going on an elk hunt and I was wondering if my henry big boy 44mag is enough for elk and I have a 30-06 and a 300 win mag I know those are more then capable of bringing down an elk but I just wanted to use my lever gun and yes my henry has a scope on it so I'm just curious if the 44mag is powerful enough to kill an elk and what is my range limit. Love the videos very educational keep it up.
The guys at the gun shop scoff whenever I ask about magnum primers. I'm going to just try loading my 7mm RM with regular primers. That wouldn't be a problem if I could experiment with different powders, BUT I CANT FIND MAGNUM POWDERS EITHER
One cause of over pressure that is often overlooked is the failure to wipe off all the case lube off the reloaded cartridges. Lube left on cartridges can increase pressure by as much as 50%. Since the case is unable to seal the chamber properly on ignition causing a pressure spike. As far as over stabilizing a bullet it is possible to spin a bullet with a very fast twist rate so fast the jacket comes apart from the heat and resistance as the bullet leaves the barrel.
Don't cheap out on powder pick one that fill most of the case, and has velocity you want with the lowest pressures you willing to accept. Sure it may cost you maybe penny more here & there but it's really hard to double charge a case that is 80% of the way full.
if you screw up having lower pressure powder it will tend to be more forgiving. Also pick a powder with a lot load data on different grain weights on it so you don't have to guess.
On bullet stabilization, when jacketed bullets first camp e out the jackets were hard to make with consistent side walls. With the jacket being thick on one side and thin on the other this made the lead core off center in the jacket. When a bullet like that is shot, when in the barrel it spins around the car enter of form, once it leaves the barrel it spins around the center of gravity. When spun slowly this has less effect on accuracy than when spun faster.
Many rifles use a twist rate that barely stabilizes the bullet to keep less than perfect bullets shooting good. As time went on the process of making jackets more uniform. Many match grade bullets the jacket walls are so uniform it's hard the measure the difference. Also they have greatly increased ballistic coefficients. This makes bullets much longer for the same weight. These longer bullets need to spin faster to stabilize. Shooting them in to slow a twist rate can cause keyholing on target.
One example of this is I have a Stevens 200 in 223 with a 12 inch twist. It shoots bullets of 55 grains great. Even the boattail fmj's used in the 5,56x45. Trying to shoot the 62 grain 5.56x45 military load is unstable enough it keyholes at 50 yards, as far as I can shoot in my back yard.
In my AR-15 with a 7 inch twist it shoots well with bullets up to the 75 gr boattail soft point I use to hunt deer with. Haven't tried anything heavier yet.
Another thing about twist rate. When the twist rate barley stabilizes the bullet it tends to tumble when it hits a soft target. This tumbling can cause the bullet to fragment more than what a faster twist rate does.
You can see this when testing in ballistic gellaten. Even with fast twist rates bullets can tumble in the target. You can see this in this testing too.
The BC of a bullet is dependent of the density of the material it passes through. Air has little density, soft targets are much denser. This change or density destabilizes a bullet. This causing tumbling. When the bullet impacts a soft target velocity drops very quickly, thus needing a change in spin to be stable.
Bullets that work well for deep penetration, like used to hunt very large and dangerous game are heavy for the caliber, lower velocity and low BC's. These bullets don't need a fast twist to be stable. This lower velocity and spin rate keeps the bullet stable in the animal to maximize penetration. This helps kill the game quickly so you are less likely to be hurt or worse.
These dangerous bullets have many other design features to help them penetrate. Harder thicker jackets and harder cores are some of these features. Nose shape plays a role as well.
If you look in most new loading manuals they list recommended twist rates for these higher BC bullets. These new bullets make long range accuracy easier to achieve. Such as some shooters can shot 1000 yard ground of less than 2 inches. They use custom built rifles and hand crafted loads using very precise techniques to achieve such accuracy.
They start with very high quality bullets and sort by weight and reshape the bullet points to make every bullet as consistent as possible. Then work for years training their mind and body to perform at a level that can achieve such accuracy.
Measure the head of the case, just above the extractor groove and it should not expand more than half a thousandth, above that you have too much pressure.
You're exactly right that's the very best way to check pressure
Hey Ron, i was wondering if since you printed a book on 7mm, are you going to write maybe a shorter book on 6.5s? There's a lot of talk about them these days. Even though nobody ever mentions the old school 6.5 Arisaka. Definitely not a favorite of mine, but was very useful back on the farm in the late 70s & 80s for predators in the fields & livestock areas.
Working on 30-cal book now and might tackle the 6.5s after that.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors sweet. Love the 30s.
In my neck of the woods, you can get .32 Winchester special ammo but not .300 savage. Go figure. I have a plentiful supply of the .32 ammo and once fired brass, not so much with the .300 savage.
My dad taught me to reload and also said never load max in a book before the eighties because they actually listed the max versus today they don’t for legal reasons. Also understanding c.u.p or copper units of pressure an old and arguably more accurate way of measuring pressure
What are you talking about. They still do.
I was expecting your theme music to switch over to Queen's "Under Pressure"
It's so simple, if you want more power, choose a bigger cartridge.
That brings to mind another question I have been wondering about, how fast a twist rate can we really do? These new wonder cartridges for long range increased the twist rate and lengthened the throat to accomodate the longer bullet. For example i think 1 in 8 is standard for 6.5 creedmore, .308 is 1 in 10. What happens when we go to 1 in 6 twist and I assume the bullet diameter will have to be smaller. Just wondering about your thoughts on this Ron. I imagine there is a sweet spot and we will see some crazy stuff come out in the near future. Peace and Grace.
Sir, twist rates result from bullet length and muzzle velocity. The longer the bullet and lower the launch velocity, the greater the twist rate needed to stabilize them. There is no reason to twist faster then needed for basic gyroscopic stability. Excessive twist can increase chamber pressures unnecessarily and even tear apart thinly jacketed bullets. Hyper spin once the bullet has left the barrel has been proven to spin some bullets apart in the air.
I am left-eye dominant. I just naturally grabbed whatever it was-- bow, rifle, shotgun, pool cue-- and started shooting left-handed. Never thought anything about it. I don't find any handicap in shooting a bolt action left-handed. Pull the gun into the shoulder with the left hand and work the bolt with the right. No big deal.
Nagant rifles seem to have sticky bolts 60% of the time
That's from the Mountain Dew you spilled in the chamber
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I still don't understand how the new military round is going to run at 80k psi
I guess the base of the case is steel, so the case holds together
But I have to think those barrels are going to.. get shredded no?
They will probably have decreased barrel life due to accelerated throat erosion. To get those speeds from a 13inch barrel they have to be using a pretty fast burning powder, hence the higher pressure. Their idea is to use normal pressure range 'training ammo' with normal brass cases and regular copper bullets for most training, then issue the higher pressure, hybrid cased, steel tipped bullet cartridges for deployments and potential conflict zones.
We saw a similar strategy when the new M855A1 and M80A1 cartridges started to be rolled out. We'd be issued the older green tip M855 for training, then we'd get the new 855A1 when deployed. That was earlier on when the new cartridge was running very high pressures, they backed them down a bit and now it's issued from basic training to deployed soldiers and everywhere in-between. They did have to re-work a lot of the range facilities for the new round due to increased ricochets but that was due to the bullet design.
But yeah the new cartridge is not a great idea in my opinion, and the 'duty' ammo for lack of a better term will tear up barrels quite quickly, especially in the machine guns. Impressive round, but imagine running a full auto 6mm creedmoore, yikes. You'll get through a combat load of 1000 rounds and that barrel will be shot out.
6mm remington or 244 remington
Pressure in the case is like the compression ratio in an engine the less empty space in the case the more pressure, and more empty space in the case the less pressure, that's why a certain amount of powder used in both a 308 and a 30/06 will make more power for the 308 than the 30/06
The bigger case has more room and more empty space and a little more chamber pressure can give you a little more power, so it would take more powder to match the chamber pressure of the 308 in the 30/06 but if it did the 30/06 would make more power, -- you need some empty space for the gas to expand if you don't have enough the pressure will be to high,
* Pay attention to the burn rate for each type of powder. Load according to what the books say about the volume ( grains ) of the type of powder your planning on loading. You can use different types of powder in your reloads, but you sure can't use the same grain weight for powders with different burn rates. You can create an extremely high pressure situation by filling a case up with a fast burning powder. You can also create an extremely high pressure situation by loading a case with to small a volume of powder ( especially a fast burning powder ) that will not move the projectile fast enough to keep up with the expanding gases. I've always tried to use a slow burning powder whenever possible. It's a little more expensive to load, but it has advantages, and one is that it's difficult to throw a double charge of powder.
Bullets can wobble due to being manufactured with imperfect weight distribution, or due to traveling down the bore nonconcentrically. The question about over stabilization is asking whether an unnecessarily fast twist will cause a bullet to wobble more when it leaves the muzzle than the same bullet would wobble if it were minimally stabilized. The answer is yes. For instance, a 308 Win 11 or 12 twist will stabilize a 220 grain bullet. If you have a 9 twist 308, it will spin a 150 grain bullet faster than it needs, exacerbating wobble.
Look up 86 blackout. Bullet separation. It’s a thing
Yes, Scott, an unbalanced bullet will do that, but I don't credit that as an over-stabilization problem, but an unbalanced bullet problem. I'm keeping an open mind, but aside from high RPM tearing apart weak bullets and revealing bullet imbalance, I haven't see where increased spin is a problem. Perhaps someone else can enlighten me further. Thanks for your contribution.
Here’s the most recent authoritative example. But competition shooters have known that minimal twist yields the best accuracy, and that’s with match bullets. Hunting bullets are not as perfectly balanced as match bullets, so over-spinning them is asking for trouble.
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Adopting an overly aggressive twist rate for cartridges capable of extreme velocities is a bad idea. You might be tempted to replace your 22-250’s 1:14 twist barrel, optimized for 55 grain bullets, with 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel so you can handload the new 90 grain .224 bullets. But the mfrs’ recommended twist for those bullets assumes 224 Valkyrie velocity of 2700. Your 22-250 may work with them, too, but you’re risking rendering it useless for 55 grain bullets. This is the trap that 7mm magnum shooters fall into. They build a 1:8 twist rifle so they can shoot 195 grain bullets, only to discover that their new barrel won’t group with bullets
Lucky gunner has a couple of Winchester boxes in 6mm Remington
I've had loads out of a loading book that was to hot.
32 special punches a bigger hole then the 30wcf
I think the fellow from TN may have meant a bullet "going to sleep"
got a 788 in 22-250
No you are wrong about that 32 special start at 150gr bullet
If you have a bullet that is spinning to fast and not stable, it is because it is not balanced. Meaning that it has more weight in certain areas that others. I am taking this from experience in balancing tires. You spin a tire too fast and it will get crazy. The word homogeneous comes to mind, but I am not sure that is the correct wording. Everything has to be all the same in density and weight when it comes to high speed.
They can also have bullet separation 86 blk has this issue
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I’m right handed but left eye dominant which I didn’t Learn until my late 20s early 30s when I was a kid I would try to use my left eye shooting from right handed position but my grandfather and dad broke me of it at probably 7-10 yrs old now I shoot right handed with my right eye and do pretty well but wonder if the knowledge of eye dominant thing’s existence was there in the mid 80s like it is today who knows I could be the greatest sniper lol seriously joking
I do have to say that most of my life, I was right eye dominant, but an injury to my right eye changed that, so I had to relearn shooting with my left hand and left eye but as you spend alittle time you can relearn it even though the bolt is on the right I do just fine except for the Monty Carlo stocks that will not work for me since they are on the right of the right hand stock and the lefthand stock won't work because the bolt is on the right so all I can say is practice, it was strange at first but it's fine now.
Aim small good hunting GOD bless.
Hey Ron i think i told you about this already in another video about shooting wrong cases in wrong gun i was in a hurry it was getting dark out fast was making sure are guns was still on for first day of PA deer season i was shooting a 308 and 30-06 was done with 308 not paying attention i grabbed a 308 and put it in the 30-06 and when I shot it was like i got hit with a percussion grenade and almost got the bolt in my teeth when bolt blowed back the extractor come off bolt prime come out, the 308 round formed cazy the shoulder match to the 06 with a big hole where bullet goes believe it or not it hit right beside the 1st two 06 hits before i messed up, sent gun back to savge they put the extractor back on bolt and said gun was fine and still shoots 1in groups at 100yards if you want i can mail you that 308 case so you can show it next to a 06 on a video