My good man....how to tell you....words just don't convey. Your vids are just such a joy to watch. Doesn't matter if its an action cam, a flying wing, whatever . I look forward to each and every video and you never disappoint. (That's my kind of flying by the way; motor-gliders - so peaceful and relaxing to fly - so therapeutic - so cathartic. Just awesome.) Merry Merry Christmas Andrew. And a happy and prosperous 2019. You are just a gem, my friend.
Wow thx for writing my comments for me! One additional- I don't own anything but gliders (well racing quads which are a trip to build AND fly) and wondered why- you sum it up beautifully
Thank you Andrew, for so many good helpful videos and your work here in 2018 !!! Wish you and your Family and Miss Tigercat very Merry Christmas and a happy new year 2019 with good luck and health !!! Fly high ! Frank
Have flown my Phoenix 2400 a fair bit now and really like it. I have discovered it needs the camber to float around for thermals. I have 20 and 30 camber on full span flaps on my 3 position stick on a Taranis. The crow brakes are really effective and allow you to drop the glider at your feet from quite high up. I haven’t flown it yet in anything less than 15 kts of wind so still waiting for a calm day. BTW handles Perth wind really really well.
Hmm, looks like someone raided the Christmas tree earlier than customary... :) The Lightning looks cool. Thanks for the comparison, didn't realise what a monster fuse the 2400 has until you put then side-by-side.
hello. I want to ask if it's normal?. if my servo motor moves by itself and returns to the middle position when I first connect the battery. or do I need settings in the transmitter
Hmm. Interesting For me the difference between them seems to be that the Evo is more a glider with a motor and the 2400 is more a motor-glider..... _If that makes sense_ The differences are only small though If I could fit them in my house I'd be happy with either. Great video.
Thanks for the honest review and comparison. I would like to have seen the same upgrade they did to the Phoenix 2000 V1 to V2 done to the Evo 2.6 with just the fuse extension and tail area adjustment increasing the rudder and elevator size and kept the same higher aspect ratio of the Evo 2.6 just reduced slightly to a 2.4m wing. The longer moment arm of the fuse and better working surface area of the tail would mean the elevator would need less deflection (create less drag) as well as need less negative down pressure with the better leverage to maintain pitch stability so as to create a reduction in drag coming from the tail at work to help make up for the aspect ratio reduction with the wing shortened to 2.4M. Doing it that way the fine tuning would make it feel and fly more like the Phoenix 2000 but have a better L/D and sink rate while decreasing the Evo 2.6's tendency to lumber around compared to the Phoenix 2000 V1 & V2. As isfor prue glider performance the Evo 2600 has the advantage of the higher aspect ratio. Of course for long range FPV under power the 2400 as it is will carry more weight and land slower. Nice to have so many choices now;-) I think the new Phoenix 2000 V2 has really improved upon the design and for a lot of people may be the sweet spot in the Phoenix line up.
Andrew, thank you for the great videos! I just ordered a P-2400. My plan is to build a super endurance platform. I am going to use three Titan lithium ion packs. 4cell 7,000 mAh each. 4 hours of loiter is the goal. Either a mini-pix or F-405 flight controller. Thanks for your F-405 videos too! The goal is to keep a EZ Wifibroadcast camera in the air as long as possible. Check out EZ Wifibroadcast. It is DIY HD FPV.
When I built 3 meter wings for my 2m Radian I ran into the problem of pitch instability because of the fuselage being too short. It flew, but would be better with extended fuse. I bet that 2400 is much nicer to fly than the 2.6 because of that. The 2.6 would probably fly much nicer with extended fuse and larger elevator.
Yes I agree and a bit bummed... have two of V1's and need a reason/excuse to get the larger Phoenix 2400 but not sold on it looking at the much improved 2000 V2. But nice to have the option of the V1 2000 's top mounted wing to mod the fuse to mount the wing on top old school with rubber bands for flying in adverse locations to save the wing. But's that's about the only advantage. Only issue keeping things in perspective to the price I can see with V2 2000 is I wish they put 3rd hinge in the flaps and rudder... but then again if the wing flexes 2 are better on the flaps so missing one hinge might be it. Slick improvements that's for sure.
Another perfect video from you! TX Andrew! If you have chance, please do such a comparison between the P2000 V2 and the P2400. I own the P2000 V2 and would like to know whether I should also buy the P2400 (having owned the P2000 and P evo before).
I couldn't stand my Evo @ 2.6, it was very pitch sensitive and difficult to trim out. With the center section out, it is one of my favorite planes. I think the Phoenix V2 will be a nice in-between, based on Arxangel's review.
Hm. I wonder if the difference is based on the higher drag of the wings. Probably. It looks, like it would need even more weight - but this would just make it a worse glider even. As an FPV plane, the Ranger version seems to be a little more versatile. I wonder, what the use of that Phoenix 2400 might be then...
Andrew Newton Yea, must be like that. By the way: I really like your style in the videos. The calm way of everything and the total absence of bullshit make them really a pleasure to watch. :) Greatings from Finland. Christoph
Nice Andrew I like it. I have a Ranger 2,4 which I think is brilliant. In the valley I mostly fly in we get a lot of turbulence from the wind coming over the hill near the field. I have found lift above the turbulence. Sometimes the lift is quite strong, it seems to depend on wind strength. Question, do you think the lift could be a sloping effect (the hill is 800 to 1000 feet high) or could it be where the "rotor" "bounces" off the ground. The lift usually occurs at 300 to 400 feet. The Ranger handles the rough conditions nicely as it is stable and responsive. I find it to be a nice plane to fly in the stronger winds. It helps of course that it weighs around 2.5 kgs. I ran a tape over my evo and the ranger. The ranger has some 5% to 10 % more wing area. I like your flying vids, thank you for sharing.
Sounds like it could be the up part of the rotor or the second peak of a wave effect if it's in the same place and not near the upward slope. Very interesting local effect anyway
I love the video, but it reinforces in my mind that I really can't find a compelling reason to fly anything larger than 2M. I really haven't seen one >2M plane yet that doesn't come off feeling like a 1600mm to 2M plane with larger wings. I think the feedback I would give to the manufacturer would be to have larger rudders for the >2M planes so that you can turn them with more yaw authority. Notice each time you lift the wing you lose altitude? What would make me want to buy a larger than 2M wing would be if there was one with an oversized rudder. I would have a setting that dialed in heavy rudder, light travel on the ailerons, with differential. This would be on a mix on a switch. The idea would be to make shallow roll turns as you're hunting for thermals. Then use flaps on a slider to slow the plane down to catch thermals. The last thing I would want is a big area right below CG where you can place weights as ballast for days with stronger winds.
Yes you're right Steve. The Evo could definitely use a longer tail boom and maybe bigger rudder, the 2400 tail it actually good but the wing design is not great for thermaling. The Evo wing on a pod and boom fuselage might be perfect.
Both L@@kin Very G@@D Mate... Maybe Put Some Larger Angled Tips On The EVO To Counter The Shorter Length & Help Against Tip Stalls? Thanks :~) PS Did I Notice A Bit Of Sniffles From You? Some Zinc Tabs May Help That... LOL
My good man....how to tell you....words just don't convey.
Your vids are just such a joy to watch. Doesn't matter if its an action cam, a flying wing, whatever . I look forward to each and every video and you never disappoint. (That's my kind of flying by the way; motor-gliders - so peaceful and relaxing to fly - so therapeutic - so cathartic. Just awesome.) Merry Merry Christmas Andrew. And a happy and prosperous 2019. You are just a gem, my friend.
Wow thx for writing my comments for me!
One additional- I don't own anything but gliders (well racing quads which are a trip to build AND fly) and wondered why- you sum it up beautifully
Thanks so much Bill and Skypilot. Stay safe and happy.
Merry Christmas to you and yours and thank you for all your great videos 😊🎄🎁⛄🎁🎁🎄🎅
Thanks Grandad. My pleasure.
Another nice video Andrew! Best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a joyous new year!
Thanks Tom, same to you
Thank you Andrew, for so many good helpful videos and your work here in 2018 !!! Wish you and your Family and Miss Tigercat very Merry Christmas and a happy new year 2019 with good luck and health !!! Fly high ! Frank
Many thanks Frank, same to you.
Have flown my Phoenix 2400 a fair bit now and really like it. I have discovered it needs the camber to float around for thermals. I have 20 and 30 camber on full span flaps on my 3 position stick on a Taranis. The crow brakes are really effective and allow you to drop the glider at your feet from quite high up. I haven’t flown it yet in anything less than 15 kts of wind so still waiting for a calm day. BTW handles Perth wind really really well.
Excellent info thanks Steve.
Thank you Andrew!
Currently out sloping the cliffs of Laguna Beach and the Pacific Ocean.....taking a thumb break:-)
Happy flying everyone!
Any bits?
Excellent, I can smell that salt air
Hmm, looks like someone raided the Christmas tree earlier than customary... :) The Lightning looks cool. Thanks for the comparison, didn't realise what a monster fuse the 2400 has until you put then side-by-side.
Beware the lightening, I had the Max thrust version flew 3 times tip stalled every flight impossible to recover, eventually put it in the dustbin.
Haha, Banggood pushing products on me with not enough time before Christmas. Good problem to have
Aha, thanks for the heads-up Kevin. I will be wary.
hello. I want to ask if it's normal?. if my servo motor moves by itself and returns to the middle position when I first connect the battery. or do I need settings in the transmitter
Some twitching is normal
Hmm. Interesting For me the difference between them seems to be that the Evo is more a glider with a motor and the 2400 is more a motor-glider..... _If that makes sense_ The differences are only small though
If I could fit them in my house I'd be happy with either. Great video.
Exactly, I prefer the Evo for it's thermalling ability
So what you are really saying is that should probably have one of each....depending on the flying conditions. Always great information!!!!
No I recommend just getting the Evo, or the 2.4, or both. Hope that helps, haha
Hi Andrew,
Nice side by side. Interesting the Evo could find some thermals and the Phoenix not so much. Happy Holidays to you and Virginia. :-)
Thanks Donald, yes it was quite different between the two.
Great video Andrew interesting still waiting to maiden my evolution have not had the chance yet either been raining or its to cold 👍
Merry Christmas to you and yours !!
Many thanks, and the same to you
Thanks for the honest review and comparison. I would like to have seen the same upgrade they did to the Phoenix 2000 V1 to V2 done to the Evo 2.6 with just the fuse extension and tail area adjustment increasing the rudder and elevator size and kept the same higher aspect ratio of the Evo 2.6 just reduced slightly to a 2.4m wing. The longer moment arm of the fuse and better working surface area of the tail would mean the elevator would need less deflection (create less drag) as well as need less negative down pressure with the better leverage to maintain pitch stability so as to create a reduction in drag coming from the tail at work to help make up for the aspect ratio reduction with the wing shortened to 2.4M.
Doing it that way the fine tuning would make it feel and fly more like the Phoenix 2000 but have a better L/D and sink rate while decreasing the Evo 2.6's tendency to lumber around compared to the Phoenix 2000 V1 & V2. As isfor prue glider performance the Evo 2600 has the advantage of the higher aspect ratio. Of course for long range FPV under power the 2400 as it is will carry more weight and land slower.
Nice to have so many choices now;-) I think the new Phoenix 2000 V2 has really improved upon the design and for a lot of people may be the sweet spot in the Phoenix line up.
Oh yes a Ph Evo V2 would be perfect
Andrew, thank you for the great videos! I just ordered a P-2400. My plan is to build a super endurance platform. I am going to use three Titan lithium ion packs. 4cell 7,000 mAh each. 4 hours of loiter is the goal. Either a mini-pix or F-405 flight controller. Thanks for your F-405 videos too! The goal is to keep a EZ Wifibroadcast camera in the air as long as possible. Check out EZ Wifibroadcast. It is DIY HD FPV.
Wow, what a project. Gonna need a comfy chair. I'll be interested in your progress.
Thanks for the informative vids... Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. fm Canada....
Thanks Billy Bob, have some fun in the snow!
i do so love those type of glidders.....super nice
Yeah!
When I built 3 meter wings for my 2m Radian I ran into the problem of pitch instability because of the fuselage being too short. It flew, but would be better with extended fuse.
I bet that 2400 is much nicer to fly than the 2.6 because of that. The 2.6 would probably fly much nicer with extended fuse and larger elevator.
Definitely, might try that wing on a pod and boom fuselage
Yes I agree and a bit bummed... have two of V1's and need a reason/excuse to get the larger Phoenix 2400 but not sold on it looking at the much improved 2000 V2. But nice to have the option of the V1 2000 's top mounted wing to mod the fuse to mount the wing on top old school with rubber bands for flying in adverse locations to save the wing. But's that's about the only advantage. Only issue keeping things in perspective to the price I can see with V2 2000 is I wish they put 3rd hinge in the flaps and rudder... but then again if the wing flexes 2 are better on the flaps so missing one hinge might be it. Slick improvements that's for sure.
Another perfect video from you! TX Andrew! If you have chance, please do such a comparison between the P2000 V2 and the P2400. I own the P2000 V2 and would like to know whether I should also buy the P2400 (having owned the P2000 and P evo before).
Yes it's on the list
Hmm, says 360p But you know we love your videos. EDIT Just to make sure it's not on my end, I did a speedtest and I'm 268.82 Mbps down.
UA-cam takes some time to process the HD version. 1080 my end.
@@AndrewNewton Yup, 1080p now :)
wOW! yOU CAUGHT A THERMAL WITH THAT CLOUD COVER? aWESOME! (Oh that damn caps lock again!)
Oops. Yes it surprised me too.
Merry Christmas to you and your family from Colorado. 🎄
And to you Jim. Snow today? 35ºC for us.
I couldn't stand my Evo @ 2.6, it was very pitch sensitive and difficult to trim out. With the center section out, it is one of my favorite planes. I think the Phoenix V2 will be a nice in-between, based on Arxangel's review.
Interesting, I love the Evo 2.6, didn't like the 1.6 configuration.
Hm. I wonder if the difference is based on the higher drag of the wings. Probably. It looks, like it would need even more weight - but this would just make it a worse glider even.
As an FPV plane, the Ranger version seems to be a little more versatile. I wonder, what the use of that Phoenix 2400 might be then...
I think it would be a lighter and more efficient FPV cruiser with bonus gliding ability.
Andrew Newton Yea, must be like that. By the way: I really like your style in the videos. The calm way of everything and the total absence of bullshit make them really a pleasure to watch. :) Greatings from Finland. Christoph
Thanks Christoph in Finland!
Nice Andrew I like it.
I have a Ranger 2,4 which I think is brilliant. In the valley I mostly fly in we get a lot of turbulence from the wind coming over the hill near the field. I have found lift above the turbulence. Sometimes the lift is quite strong, it seems to depend on wind strength. Question, do you think the lift could be a sloping effect (the hill is 800 to 1000 feet high) or could it be where the "rotor" "bounces" off the ground. The lift usually occurs at 300 to 400 feet.
The Ranger handles the rough conditions nicely as it is stable and responsive. I find it to be a nice plane to fly in the stronger winds. It helps of course that it weighs around 2.5 kgs. I ran a tape over my evo and the ranger. The ranger has some 5% to 10 % more wing area.
I like your flying vids, thank you for sharing.
Sounds like it could be the up part of the rotor or the second peak of a wave effect if it's in the same place and not near the upward slope. Very interesting local effect anyway
Nice Videotest👍
I love the video, but it reinforces in my mind that I really can't find a compelling reason to fly anything larger than 2M. I really haven't seen one >2M plane yet that doesn't come off feeling like a 1600mm to 2M plane with larger wings. I think the feedback I would give to the manufacturer would be to have larger rudders for the >2M planes so that you can turn them with more yaw authority. Notice each time you lift the wing you lose altitude?
What would make me want to buy a larger than 2M wing would be if there was one with an oversized rudder. I would have a setting that dialed in heavy rudder, light travel on the ailerons, with differential. This would be on a mix on a switch. The idea would be to make shallow roll turns as you're hunting for thermals. Then use flaps on a slider to slow the plane down to catch thermals. The last thing I would want is a big area right below CG where you can place weights as ballast for days with stronger winds.
Yes you're right Steve. The Evo could definitely use a longer tail boom and maybe bigger rudder, the 2400 tail it actually good but the wing design is not great for thermaling. The Evo wing on a pod and boom fuselage might be perfect.
Very, very interesting video Andrew, thank you!!
What is your CG on the Evo? It flies beautiful!!
Thanks Franco. I have the CG at around 75mm
New Phoenix 2,4m is nice, but I choose old one 2,6m :D I love fly with it. How would you compare Evo 2,6 with your mod Evo 3,0m?
3m still needs more work. The wing is too twisty and flexy, maybe just the 2.6m wing on the pod and boom body would be good.
Both L@@kin Very G@@D Mate... Maybe Put Some Larger Angled Tips On The EVO To Counter The Shorter Length & Help Against Tip Stalls? Thanks :~) PS Did I Notice A Bit Of Sniffles From You? Some Zinc Tabs May Help That... LOL
Yes a bit croaky, not too bad