4 Best Quintessential London Gunmakers
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2020
- Purdey, Holland, Boss and Woodward - the Best London has to offer.
Simon Reinhold of Holts Auctioneers takes Jonny through the 4 best of the best London Made Guns, how they differ and which is the best of the best?
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Another contributing factor in the decline of demand for high end guns was the missing Toff generation killed or injured in WWI. Wasn't just the gun trade that saw a decline, where I live sporting estates also witnessed a major decline in the number of sporting clientele visiting, post 1918. Many guns simply didn't come back and of those that did many didn't have the appetite "having had their fill of shooting in Flanders". Good vid !!
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There were more great brands - back in India Greeners were loved for their long lives as they were very strong, Lang of London were loved for their finish, Henry Atkin guns were also very highly regarded, and Woodward were also much loved.
Correction, the best the World has to offer. Nothing trumps the beauty of a London gun.
Ahy men too tha,un'buddy..purdey,Holland and Holland, Holloway and naughton..all British and best,Frank Charles made the top-end air pistol's and rifle's back in the late 18,hundreds and mid 19,hundreds and still going st,wong.. happy birthday'guys.. Marcus love's you all but I do love's my gorgeous little princess with those amazingly big and fluffy pig-tails,who appeared in our t-v commercial for 🐻 bear yo-yo's, back in January 2018,..god bless you and all,who are precious too her..if you know her,let her know that she still owns her very own older man for when and if she ever needs one..xxooxxooxxoo.she is such a truly pretty and angelic little thing..
Another great film :)
I'd love you to have a look at more "best" guns and from lesser known manufacturers still in existence. People like Michael Lingard in Friockheim will not be making guns forever... literally a dying trade sadly.
I can clearly see why the Russian court made Purdey their supplier. Sublime. My dream combination would be a pair of Purdey 12 gauge shotguns and a Holland & Holland M98 rifle in .375H&H.
The last Czar favored Lebeau Courally for his children. Of course, his collection was massive.
With these guns it is not just the style and finish that makes them but balance and handling and fit that is superlative . A hundred year old one fitted for you will still be as perfect as can be .
Boss is BEST. Ejectors alone set them ahead. Thanks for making & sharing.
I have known of these most of my life and even have used a few and love everything about them, Thanks for the vid
I've watched this video many times and I keep doing it because those are the most beautiful guns anyone can own 😍
Lovely :D I'll take the Holland, thank you.
Beautiful guns! But nothing comes close to a Grant sidelever especially in 16 bore! Simon is absolutely right there! I will keep mine for ever!
As I have said before....Superlative Quality. Great series of vids these Johnny .
I was so happy when Simon (talking about provincial makers) mentioned W R Pape and his hammer guns...having shot one for the last 3 years (and hopefully many more) at anything short of ducks (not wishing to put steel through a Damascus barrel). Re commission, yup it's steep and they're not even having to finance the London sale room/viewings this year which makes it seem even more so, but at least they're waiving the additional fees for online bidding this time 'round
This is such a privilege to enter the Holts vault and look at the best. The description is really interesting. Thanks to both of you.
Absolutely brilliant! I am so in love with my Stephen Grant 12-bore side by side! Just a supremely crafted piece of functional art.
Does yours show the engraving that sweeps up onto the standing fences?
Woodward are definitely still around. Owned by Purdey, you can still buy a Woodward today if you so desire!
Lovely film, so enjoyed it. For me, I would like a period Scottish gun, as they are SO gorgeous. Long stock and 16 bore please.
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"Functional Art" - Perfect description!
What a fun video! Real pleasure to watch. Thanks for letting me look over epic shotguns, that I’ll never own.
Just imagine seeing one of those in 1904....
Nothing like a 25 percent commission when your house is under threat!
Works of art, awesome video.
Watched this video again , brilliant.
Just awesome from start finish
Purdey bought out Woodward to get the design of their O/U to compete with the H&H.
Great video . In reality , how much wear is to be expected within these mechanisms on account of their age. They are class pieces but surely a modern Spanish gun would be more reliable , although they do not feel or look anywhere the same .
The Boss does it for me.
Very interesting and a pleasure to watch
Johnny, my niece took a shine to you. She said you seem like a nice boy. Now everyone in our family knows you as 'Nice boy Johnny.' I'm currently making a clay shooting game, and I'm going to call one of the gun rooms 'Nice boy Johnny's.' I had no part in this...except for agreeing entirely, and making its implementation a priority.
You should make a video just about William Evans.
Great video as always but what I’d really be interested in is the history of some of the lesser known gunmakers that made fine high quality if not best quality guns. Most of us are more likely to find and purchase one of those hidden gems than we are say an H&H Royal
I have a wreck of a double 15 bore muzzleloader made by John Wiggan of London, his quality was up with the best of them.
Why s there no historical episode of Woodward, the carved arched fence's requires a show of it''s own.
I have to agree the Woodward is stunning😲😳🤤🤤🤤🤤pls next time when you do this show the barrels the cases & what you get in the cases if there is anything thx from Africa!!!!
Boss or Woodward, Boss preferably.
Simon please, what is the minimum thickness of barrel and where should I measure it ( front end of the barrel)
? Thanks
Super video.
A Peter Nelson/Ken Hunt for me please :-)
John, which one would it be if you had to make a choice? And why?
Nice 😍
Yes if I had the money,
It would be the Holland.
The lever to detach the Holland's locks always looked grossly out of place to me. Grant's engraving of the standing fences flowing from the lock plates is very appealing to me. But in terms of metallurgy, engineering and precision, now there is Fabbri ! From a safety perspective, there is a very great difference between the steel alloys available a hundred years ago and those of today.
`IF` you want to use 36gm cartridges use O/U ?? No , use a S/S Pigeon gun!! I use Woodward Hammer gun with 28gm. . .To very good effect 1/4, Cyl chokes .... Don,t shoot `dollies` neither. . .
Holland & Holland for me.
The John Rigby & CO SxS rifle guns for African dangerous game with engraved animals is the most beautiful gun in the world in 470 Nitro Express with a leather luggage case
25% commission then 20% vat?? Greedy buggers most auction houses are between 12.5-14% 😂
thoughts on westley richards.
Best part is that BASC tell you that you can shoot steel shot through them all. Rather you than me.
you can if choked correctly, thats what makes them even better ...
Nice shotguns, but nothing compares to Beretta. The history and legacy of the oldest gun manufacture in the world cannot be beaten.
I've collected for about 20 years, but none of them are 'best' guns. I do prefer the older hammer doubles with Jones Underlevers. If I had to choose something of a later date, it would definitely be a matching 'pair' of pre-war Westley Richards .577 doubles, or maybe a Jeffery's .600, but for now I'll stick with what I think is the most beautiful, that being the older guns, especially a John Wilkes 4-bore Jones Underlever single with octagonal barrel. Nothing matches, or ever will, the streamline features of a .450, 500, or .577 express hammer double. You should definitely get some underlever doubles on this show, be they shotgun or not.
John Wilkes beak street no name above shop they made superlative guns and kept themselves very much to themselves!
Johnny, if you just took a half breath before jumping in on Simon we would all learn more.
Wonderful I am interested to know about THE GRAND PRIX GUN BIRMINGHAM U.K.
I’d have a Purdey or H&H over a Boss anytime now seeing it’s owned by a very rude abusive owner. I nearly put my deposit down for an o/u but didn’t like the American owner who is not very nice to deal with.
The previous owner and his staff I met at the Safari shows were very nice and friendly, such a shame.
Purdey for me please
Looks and sounds Simon Reinhold doesn't want to commit? There's only so much to evaluate on any gun, Simon should know. Action, wood, engraving, condition, scarcity, provenance etc. There's always a winner. Look at the actions, there’s reasons for some gun’s sell for high amounts.
No Rigby or Westley Richards? Hmmm...🤔
Great guns, but Rigby is better known for rifles and Westley Richards started life as a Birmingham maker.
@@tgsoutdoors Did not know about Westley Richard's. Always thought of them as bespoke London gunmakers. Learn something new every day. Good point about Rigby, as you're right. Cheers from California!! :)
What will happen to guns like these as the use of steel-shot becomes more and more required?
Providing they have the right specs, they can take some types of steel. However, why not treat it to bismuth?
Sadly if I brought any of those beauties back to the states they would be ruined due to our import marking requirements 😕
Explain this import marking? Can they not mark it in a subtle way?
@@tgsoutdoors importer name, city and state must be conspicuously marked on the receiver, barrel, or slide. "conspicuous" means that all required markings must be placed in such a manner as to be wholly unobstructed from plain view.
Characters are to be a minimum of 1/16" tall. "unobstructed from plain view" would likely mean can be seen with gun fully assembled. IE can't put it under the forearm. That's my guess. But I think allowing it under the forearm shouldn't be an issue. Not hard to get to. But usually it's better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. However, I just thought of one possible out. If it's over 100 years old. Not sure on that one.
I just had 4 brought into the States from a Holts auction last year. I worked with Griffin & Howe in New Jersey. They nicely engraved the barrels under the forend. Completely invisible unless you drop the forend. They use a laser engraver. Very neat and tidy.
BTW, export, import, shipping and engraving cost about $2000USD for the four guns. It's mostly a flat fee, which is why I bought four.
@@karlsailor Thank you for sharing your experience. I learn something new every day.
If I don't occasionally open my mouth and say something ignorant I wouldn't learn as much. 🤣
nobody mention hollis and son guns even they made in london in the same erea anybody know anything about them.
Do any of these brands make Pistols?
Someone complained to James Purdey that his guns were difficult to open. He retorted " A gentleman never opens his own guns". I suppose that means i am not a gentleman. But this chap is right, Stephen Grant made sublime shotguns. Edwinson green made some beautiful guns too.
ro eng Certainly not difficult to open. And not difficult to close either. Takes one minute to get the knack of it.
25% commission?? Why would anyone bother with an auction
Pronunsiation of word " Purdey " in Russian sounds funny, sounds as "farting" -:)
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literally 0 point when you guys cant even own your guns and by that i mean take them home.
What are you chatting about?
There's always one isn't there I wonder which part of the world he hails from?
I suppose many feel proper ownership entails having ones firearms at ones residence, not as a museum relic under a curators care and insurance policies.
In most cases, great books on firearms would suffice people.