@ you misunderstood me. I love the FSLabs as wear and tear is simulated with the MEL list and a comprehensive documentation as what to do when something is INOP. That isnt in the Fenix.
As a real airline pilot, the fslabs wins on system behaviours like wing fuel temperatures is different depending on the where the sun is and the way cabin heats up and all ice buildup behaviours and brake wear. But the fenix model and sound are just incredible and yes with also great systems behaviour. Tbh if fslabs could better there model and sounds that would be perfect. Also fslabs has a much better flar feels like a heavy aircraft. But i do wish fenix had persistent wear and tear/ levels and realistic snow and ice. That would be the aircraft i would fly all the time.
Fenix have more then that. Engines (blade) simulation freezing when you wait long in taxi, engines failure start up with hot temp , engines stall with high crosswind on ground and more just not everyone knows that
Not even trying to be biased but hearing the Fenix sounds just feels like home at this point. I do like the "clickiness" of the FSLabs buttons in the flight deck and the "dark mode" on the radio panel switches though!.
@@BKGBlueface Hold on, have you been yourself in an A321 cockpit while powering up? I'm not talking about videos here, but real life. I've been powering up A320 family aircrafts thousands of times, starting engines, taxiing and powering down. Tell us about your real life experience on A320 family airliners? Thank you.
I was referring to videos of A320s powering up for comparison. I’m not sure what level of experience you have, but I understand where you’re going with this question. However, it doesn’t take a genius to recognize the difference-that’s why I referenced those videos for you. I was a flight attendant for a major carrier, so I’m very familiar with how an A320 sounds during startup. Now, my turn: I’d like you to provide just one video link showing an A320 producing that sound during an initial startup from a cold and dark state, since that’s all we can reference at this point.
@@BKGBlueface I understand that your real life experience concerning powering up an aircraft and all associated sounds are based on your flight attendant career. But, you never did it yourself, never start engines and never taxi the aircraft and so on. I've never be a flight attendant, I don't know how to deal with passengers and I know it can be very complicated for the cabin crew who have to use a lot of diplomatie to calm down some tricky situations. In substance, let's everyone talk about their own job.
Oh, wow. The Flightsimlabs Performance calculation app is super realistic. It's obviously very inspired by Lufthansa's LAPA, it's basically the exact same UI (the actual LAPA doesn't have a dark mode, though). That's exactly how it's done in real life at Lufthansa.
Model realism, Fenix wins. And it isnt even close just compare the detail and wear and tear around the MLG actuators. Only thing I did notice is Fenix EFB doesnt appear to have a MEL.
I think where the fslabs excells is in the system depth. All those little details of the aoc menu for instance, they depict the real life. Fenix does that to some extend but the fslabs takes it to another level. Also with the MEL items. You dont have that in the fenix but this is what pilots deal with every day. Almost every aircraft out there as at least one mel item almost every day.
The only reason I prefer the FSLabs over the Fenix is the flare behavior. My landings in the FSLabs are way more consistent and smother because the aircraft feels good and believable during flare. The Fenix drives me crazy in this regard. Graphics and sounds are way better in the Fenix but for me the flying itself feels better in the FSLabs.
Literally the only thing I like about FSLabs is the cabin sidewall as that’s the style I’m used to from my real world flights 😂 all but two were of the FSL style.
I love the Fenix but, for me, FSLAbs is better in some points I prefer FSLabs cockpit sounds FSLabs EFB is better, MEL is very important GSX integration is better with FSLabs, but Fenix could do it the same way I’m not sure, but flight model feels better with FSLabs. When landing I feel the airplane heavier with FSLabs and this usually means more realism FSLabs is tricky to work. Thrust Levers calibration should be easier, callouts may not work. Cabin… is inaccessible PFD and ND need better fonts in FSLabs. To be honest, I got a problem in my eyes because displays are very hard to see in a 4K 32 inches screen
One thing that this video remindet me of: No matter how good your hardware, the bloody sim freezes anyways xD Its incredible. We spend thousands of dollards and this piece of software ruins it anyways.
Audio wise, fenix wins by far. The FSLabs version sounded synthetic. Edit: Not so say the FSLabs isn't phenomenal., congrats to all the devs who put in hard work. Just, when comparing two aircraft that are so advanced you kind of have to nit pick, even though on their own they'd both be very enjoyable to fly. Also, whoever the moron is at FSLabs that thought malware was the answer, they tarnished the rep of FSLabs and hurt all the hard working devs.
First of all I must say that I am an avionics technician and I have worked on the A320 family for several decades. So my judgment is very marked in relation to reality. The sound of the ventilation is more realistic at FSL, at Fenix we have the impression of a turbine revving up. The exterior and interior graphics are better at Fenix. The sound of engine starts is not realistic for both, too linear and absence of the characteristic "whlouff" at fuel ignition. The sound of the engines when taxiing is better at Fenix. Generally speaking, I don't understand why some "sound phases" are not better modeled, such as engine start and engine cut off. Is it related to the simulation platform itself or a lack of realistic digital recordings? Can't believe that. And of course I'm sensible to the depth of systems simulation and flight model which are much better in the FSL product not mentioning the techlog HIL (hold item list) simulated which add a lot of realism in the every day operations.
I think FS messed up not releasing the A321Neo first. I think it would have been a better seller, especially for thoae of us still using 2020. The Fenix is just too good. There really would be no need to try a new A321CEO IMO
wow, def the fenix as far as looks go and the sounds.. i do agree with some of the handling feeling off with the fenix tho, esp in the flair.. and ya no shit its not a cessna 🤣. I've tried everything to make consistent good landings in the fenix and its just never consistent.. except in the that fact that it might feel a bit arcady in that maybe you have to pull back 'just enough' at JUST the right moment.. now if anything below 300fpm is good than i'm solid! But its all over the place.. 20, 280, 100, 200.. float and drive it back onto the runway.. bounce and go around.. once I thought I had a pretty good landing, sub 250 fpm, wanted to hold the nose up a bit and smoothly drop the front gear down.. it kept this ridiculous nose high attitude well beyond what should have been possible given my speed.. like 90 down to 80, okay why isn't my nose coming down at all.. 70..60.. knots before I had to full force forward on the stick to get the nose back down. I would have bought the FSLabs 321 if they had done it for FS24, just to check it out and have it as an option. But I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a sim that I already don't use anymore and is mostly going to be irrelevant within another year. Maybe when they do I'll check it out, but I think they would be better off getting a NEO ready for FS24 since everyone seems to be dragging their feet on that lol
Love the Fenix. No reason at all to change in my opinion.
no reason to change, but as I dont have any of them yet, I tend to FSLabs with the MEL list and the "living" aircraaft with wear and tear
i agree , Flightsimlabs is to clean looking, no wear and tear on it
@ you misunderstood me. I love the FSLabs as wear and tear is simulated with the MEL list and a comprehensive documentation as what to do when something is INOP. That isnt in the Fenix.
That Fenix looks like a real chunk of metal.
As a real airline pilot, the fslabs wins on system behaviours like wing fuel temperatures is different depending on the where the sun is and the way cabin heats up and all ice buildup behaviours and brake wear. But the fenix model and sound are just incredible and yes with also great systems behaviour. Tbh if fslabs could better there model and sounds that would be perfect. Also fslabs has a much better flar feels like a heavy aircraft. But i do wish fenix had persistent wear and tear/ levels and realistic snow and ice. That would be the aircraft i would fly all the time.
The Fenix devs plan on implementing all of that. They're a small team so it will take a year or three, but it's coming.
Fenix have more then that. Engines (blade) simulation freezing when you wait long in taxi, engines failure start up with hot temp , engines stall with high crosswind on ground and more just not everyone knows that
that fslabs power up was horrible lol, sounded like a powerdrill
Didn't expect such a clear W for Fenix... lol
Not even trying to be biased but hearing the Fenix sounds just feels like home at this point. I do like the "clickiness" of the FSLabs buttons in the flight deck and the "dark mode" on the radio panel switches though!.
Great comparison, which must have taken a lot of time and effort to put together, so thank you!
Real sounds vs midi. Fenix is definitely superior, looks like real life. The other one is so clean that looks like a premium default.
What's sad is that the FSLabs engine parameters are identical and not individually modelled. You can see the EPR, EGT, etc during take off
FSLabs sounds like a old arcade game on intial start up
Have you been just once in an A321 cockpit when powering up?
@ Yes, I have actually. It doesn’t take a genius to look up cockpit videos of initial start-up, and not one video has that weird sound
@@BKGBlueface Hold on, have you been yourself in an A321 cockpit while powering up? I'm not talking about videos here, but real life.
I've been powering up A320 family aircrafts thousands of times, starting engines, taxiing and powering down. Tell us about your real life experience on A320 family airliners? Thank you.
I was referring to videos of A320s powering up for comparison. I’m not sure what level of experience you have, but I understand where you’re going with this question. However, it doesn’t take a genius to recognize the difference-that’s why I referenced those videos for you. I was a flight attendant for a major carrier, so I’m very familiar with how an A320 sounds during startup. Now, my turn: I’d like you to provide just one video link showing an A320 producing that sound during an initial startup from a cold and dark state, since that’s all we can reference at this point.
@@BKGBlueface I understand that your real life experience concerning powering up an aircraft and all associated sounds are based on your flight attendant career.
But, you never did it yourself, never start engines and never taxi the aircraft and so on.
I've never be a flight attendant, I don't know how to deal with passengers and I know it can be very complicated for the cabin crew who have to use a lot of diplomatie to calm down some tricky situations.
In substance, let's everyone talk about their own job.
Oh, wow. The Flightsimlabs Performance calculation app is super realistic. It's obviously very inspired by Lufthansa's LAPA, it's basically the exact same UI (the actual LAPA doesn't have a dark mode, though). That's exactly how it's done in real life at Lufthansa.
The dirty windows of the Fenix have a huge impact on realism. The FS Labs window view looks like just a hole in the cabin
Fs labs windows give me asobo deafult a320 vibes
Model realism, Fenix wins. And it isnt even close just compare the detail and wear and tear around the MLG actuators. Only thing I did notice is Fenix EFB doesnt appear to have a MEL.
No MEL in fenix
They both look so good honestly
I think where the fslabs excells is in the system depth. All those little details of the aoc menu for instance, they depict the real life. Fenix does that to some extend but the fslabs takes it to another level. Also with the MEL items. You dont have that in the fenix but this is what pilots deal with every day. Almost every aircraft out there as at least one mel item almost every day.
The Fenix problem is the wheel drift when taxiing and the floating when flare.
So I’m not crazy? I swore that was happening
yup they gotta fix this
bruh all this time i thought it was some advanced effects because it was raining when it happened lol
yeah .. they gotta fix it asap :(
Hmm for me only a320 floats, a321 has normal landing behaviour
Fenix and it’s not even close.
i hope PMDG take lesson from these
Graphics wise, Fenix is far more realistic, definitely wins.
Wow! Fenix for the win BIG TIME!
i love how poeple are shouting MEL MEL MEL when they didnt even know what it was 1hour before release lol
Fénix is Best 👌🏻
Wow the FSL doesn’t even get close to
The only reason I prefer the FSLabs over the Fenix is the flare behavior. My landings in the FSLabs are way more consistent and smother because the aircraft feels good and believable during flare. The Fenix drives me crazy in this regard.
Graphics and sounds are way better in the Fenix but for me the flying itself feels better in the FSLabs.
Agreed, I barely have to move the sidestick on the Fenix and it just flares too much.
Literally the only thing I like about FSLabs is the cabin sidewall as that’s the style I’m used to from my real world flights 😂 all but two were of the FSL style.
$70+ for a plane with practically no cabin??? lol that’s brave
Which one performs at higher frame rate/fps?
fslabs for me
7:20 tbh this shot just shows that Fenix’s A321 looks like a real aircraft and fslabs’ A321 looks nore like a plastic toy
Fslabs didn't even try to improve. They just used the old model from P3D and called it a day LOL
I like the one without the malware.
Have you slept a single night since the malware?
FSL made a mistake, they admitted it, it's high time to move on.
fslabs a321 How did you set up the cabin camera?
Camera / showcase / fixed camera
Do windshield wipers work on FSL? On Fenix they do. Thanks!
They do work on the fslabs as well.
Fenix fenix fenix ❤❤❤🎉
Honestly, this plane has kinda restored my faith and trust in FS labs again
No way
Why no one makes a study a320neo aircraft for msfs, fly by wire one can be considered as a a320neo syudy aircraft?
NO.
Not even close to study level
Fenix over everything. Don’t let FSLabs fool you
I just can’t forgive fslabs for their past behavior.
We both know you will forgive them when the NEO is released. And why not…life goes on.
@@PKerusso😂 thats true.
@@PKerussospeak for yourself lmao
They did to catch piracy
@@connorAv8 Bullshit, you don't need to log and steal my saved browser passwords to find a pirate.
I love the Fenix but, for me, FSLAbs is better in some points
I prefer FSLabs cockpit sounds
FSLabs EFB is better, MEL is very important
GSX integration is better with FSLabs, but Fenix could do it the same way
I’m not sure, but flight model feels better with FSLabs. When landing I feel the airplane heavier with FSLabs and this usually means more realism
FSLabs is tricky to work. Thrust Levers calibration should be easier, callouts may not work. Cabin… is inaccessible
PFD and ND need better fonts in FSLabs. To be honest, I got a problem in my eyes because displays are very hard to see in a 4K 32 inches screen
One thing that this video remindet me of: No matter how good your hardware, the bloody sim freezes anyways xD
Its incredible. We spend thousands of dollards and this piece of software ruins it anyways.
Audio wise, fenix wins by far. The FSLabs version sounded synthetic.
Edit: Not so say the FSLabs isn't phenomenal., congrats to all the devs who put in hard work. Just, when comparing two aircraft that are so advanced you kind of have to nit pick, even though on their own they'd both be very enjoyable to fly. Also, whoever the moron is at FSLabs that thought malware was the answer, they tarnished the rep of FSLabs and hurt all the hard working devs.
First of all I must say that I am an avionics technician and I have worked on the A320 family for several decades. So my judgment is very marked in relation to reality.
The sound of the ventilation is more realistic at FSL, at Fenix we have the impression of a turbine revving up.
The exterior and interior graphics are better at Fenix.
The sound of engine starts is not realistic for both, too linear and absence of the characteristic "whlouff" at fuel ignition.
The sound of the engines when taxiing is better at Fenix.
Generally speaking, I don't understand why some "sound phases" are not better modeled, such as engine start and engine cut off.
Is it related to the simulation platform itself or a lack of realistic digital recordings? Can't believe that.
And of course I'm sensible to the depth of systems simulation and flight model which are much better in the FSL product not mentioning the techlog HIL (hold item list) simulated which add a lot of realism in the every day operations.
Great video! Fenix win hands down.
never!
I think FS messed up not releasing the A321Neo first. I think it would have been a better seller, especially for thoae of us still using 2020. The Fenix is just too good. There really would be no need to try a new A321CEO IMO
They messed up by making a product that is already there and one that is AMAZING. They should've made an a340 or a330 or something like that
@@jay3396 They are... working on an A330, this is just sort of their test product to get into MSFS pretty much
Fenix for me
If it wasnt FSlabs, id buy the plane. If it was a a330, maybe I could forgive their previous transgressions lol.
wow, def the fenix as far as looks go and the sounds.. i do agree with some of the handling feeling off with the fenix tho, esp in the flair.. and ya no shit its not a cessna 🤣. I've tried everything to make consistent good landings in the fenix and its just never consistent.. except in the that fact that it might feel a bit arcady in that maybe you have to pull back 'just enough' at JUST the right moment.. now if anything below 300fpm is good than i'm solid! But its all over the place.. 20, 280, 100, 200.. float and drive it back onto the runway.. bounce and go around.. once I thought I had a pretty good landing, sub 250 fpm, wanted to hold the nose up a bit and smoothly drop the front gear down.. it kept this ridiculous nose high attitude well beyond what should have been possible given my speed.. like 90 down to 80, okay why isn't my nose coming down at all.. 70..60.. knots before I had to full force forward on the stick to get the nose back down. I would have bought the FSLabs 321 if they had done it for FS24, just to check it out and have it as an option. But I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a sim that I already don't use anymore and is mostly going to be irrelevant within another year. Maybe when they do I'll check it out, but I think they would be better off getting a NEO ready for FS24 since everyone seems to be dragging their feet on that lol
Hi the winner is Fenix A321
not at all, systems are better in fslabs
Only issue with the fenix is either you float or slam
Yep
Fenix: the more realistic
this comparison is whatr it is : a comparison, but not a review.
Exactly
With an incredible opportunity to make a NEO or even a good 330, they came up with something that doesn't even come close to the Fenix...
Fenix is the best option
Fenix is the best.
Fenix is really nice. Until you try a few failures. Then you know why FSLabs have a base of real pilots in their corner.
Toliss for me, in mfs fslabs
Fenix The Best!!
You are sitting way too hight up
Default camera
Maybe add Toliss A321 and XP12 to the comparison.
This is an idea!
Sounds + visuals = fenix wins
Systems + autopilot/autothrust + flare behavior = FSLabs wins
I have both. Both are great simulations
Both are great and i agree
Fenix all day long
The fenix is another level
another level with their 3d model, but not for systems
@@camiloelavionero Agree!
The cockpit startup sounds on FSLabs are much better and more realistic than fenix.