It’s come to my attention that I have messed up the avenging wrath macro. It should read as follows. /Cast Avenging Wrath /use *trinket name* /Cast Seal of Blood /startattack
My advice (from someone just learning it) is focus on twisting first and foremost) then fit CS/Judgement into the rotation as if you start learning twisting...fitting the SoC cast, SoB cast, Crusader Strike, Judgement can be a little confusing. So just get comfortable with the twisting then fit in CS/Judgement
I've been playing close to this good, but the startattack seal macro and better swing timer WA displaying the tick-off persistence of SoC is very useful - this is probably the guide i didn't realize i needed. cheers.
Weird tid bit; seal of righteousness can be twisted into seal of command, it also gets the .5 overlap unlike seal of blood (not useful endgame but leveling a paladin, it did become useful especially before ever having crusader strike or seal of blood)
rofl, go look at a max DPS hunter rotation. This cast bar timing is literally just basic hunter shot rotation. and paladins only have 1 attack to push, so it's basically like now they got 3 buttons. lol
Inlove of this guide, my paladin still low, but i tried this with seal command + seal of righteousness i got 2 stacks of Vegance right after i swap of seals.
You cannot twist seal of martyr into seal of command it does not work. There is no lingering effect on blood or martyr like there is for command and righteousness.
If you could twist both ways, would it be wise the drop the judgement from the rotation and just keep twisting with only crusader strike as filler ? Now thats the real question
Great video Blayst. I was wondering if there was anyway that one could potentially put a latency bar into the swing timer to get better accuracy out of it? Similar to the way casters have their latency bar when they cast. Hopefully to cut out some inconsistencies in when the twist should be activated.
Thanks for the Video! 2 Questions: 1. Maro doesn't make sence in my pov. 1. Sob and 2. Avenging Wrath... but there is a gblobal cd?! How it should work? 2. What is a average dps a ret could do in a 25raid in P1?
Greetings! Let me be clear. So it looks like i should use SoT every second attack , and when I have free time bettween >>> CS>>>Judjment>>> some other spell like Exorсism or Consecration - right? anyway thanks for great video! (sorry for my bad english)
Great stuff as always! I see you once or twice pop back into soc when judgment is still on cd. When, if ever, do you recommend going all in on the twists on each AA? Is it just too mana intensive?
@@TheRealBlayst sounds good. Been doing gimped SoR seal twisting in dungeons so far just to practice it for raids. I got it down on simple one target fights but I often scuff it on retargeting and when a mob runs outta range. You got any tips for improving on that? It looks very effortless in your moroes fight with multiple targets etc
question, should i wait until reach the last line of twisting and switch to seal of blood? because i did the same but some times doesnt proc the dmg and i also have weakaura too for seal twisted.
When your soc is active, a moment before swing occurs you switch to sob so your attacks gets double the effect from both seals. After soc is active you can judge and go back to command and wait for another swing to switch to soc. Then crusader, cons or whatever. But making sure your swings always get double effect from both seals.
@TheRealBlayst very nice guide, thank you for that ! But I do have an issue with the WA, it’s not displaying the 400ms twisting window at the end of the swing timer bar, even though I have SoC up. Any idea why is that ? I’m using the WA from the vid’s description
i dont understand u use seal of crusader (for debuff 3 crit) than use between command and blood, byt your seal of crusader on target dont change. and between crusader and blood u use hammer??
I am lvling pala atm and are trying to seal twist SoC with SoR, but it almost NEVER works even though I am casting SoR in the 0.4s window. Am I doing something wrong here? [using the WA from the film]
So do you always hold SoB to be judged before swapping to command? or do you just swap to command if judgement is on CD? sry I know my wording is kinda weird lol.
Use Crusader strike if it isn't on cd (or other fillers). And if both judgement and CS are on cd after an AA then you just swap from SoB to SoC and then back to SoB for the twist.
having trouble figuring out how to keep the weak aura displays to be always turned on, instead of it only being active in combat. im not very proficient in weak auras, can anyone tell me exactly what i need to do? thanks!
Every other unless you have bloodlust or a high haste proc from a trinket; then it’ll be two twist autos followed by a seal of blood auto for the 3rd auto, while crusader striking then as soon as the auto attack resets judge then go seal of command and repeat (crusader strike should continue landing on that timing until the haste giving effect drops too)
i use the german version so maybe i get some translations wrong. but basically you open the WeakAura window. then you click on your WeakAura Group you want to show all the time. on the top of the right window there should be a tab called "load" or "loading" or something like that, click on that. now you should see "combat" ticket there. remove the tick so the "combat" field is unchecked. in this window you can also set an option so your WeakAura will not show while you're dead or won't show if you're on another class so checkout the other options to see what you need and what you won't need.
Good video. I have been leveling belf paladin as ret and doing seal twisting with righteousness. With those I have found out that I can twist from sor to soc or from soc to sor. So is it possible that it works like that with blood also?
@@christophmaier7010 Honestly I’m not sure, as SoC was the only one that was twistable back in retail tbc. It’s probably a mutation of activision blizzard 😂
Is the red bar accurate? I feel like i've been getting away with casting SoC late and still getting the proc on twisting.. maybe due to 3.4 speed wep I currently have?
@@SuperGaffateip Is there a way to remove the global cooldown tick from all the icons judge/sob/cs/consecration/exorisim/hoj? I don't like all the "0" that pop up every GCD. Also... when I enable Show Cooldown in the cooldown settings I am getting double cooldown timers... any idea?
Correct. Sometimes command doesn't proc. So you don't get the second seal of blood damage. You'll want to twist every other auto attack on the off chance it does proc though. It's a gamble but it is a huge increase in damage when it goes off. Seal twist auto -> crusader, Judge, or exorcism -> blood auto -> crusader, judge, or exorcism -> repeat; that's the ret rotation for TBC.
Wings activation is off the GCD but other spells places it on GCD. Make sure that avenging wrath is the first spell in your macro line before your Seal.
@@theMJL i went thru all the triggers and auras to placed them on always show however it still only activates in combat other then weapon swing timer and vengence. Any ideas?
Wow I had a huge brain fart and misplaced the words. Thank you for that information. I just updated with a public comment that has the correct wording. I apologize for this!
if you're leveling, open with SoCr judge and start from SoR, you can twist in either direction using SoR and SoC. I've also found that if you're weapon is 3.0 speed or faster it makes judging and twisting in the same swing MUCH harder
nah bro alliance will be able to do the same as well, only they have to wait until lvl 70 while horde can start at lvl 64 (assuming you mean twisting command and blood)
Yes its only one-way from SoC to -> X , but you can use Righteousness as well into 2 directions. So speaking, you can dual twist from SoC to -> SoR -> back to SoC. But it only works with Righteuousness and Command, no other seals
One thing that doesnt get mentioned here , but I am sure everyone finds out from actually playing with the WA. When you are getting hit by abilities or mobs, depending on their speed or push back, it completely fucks your Swing timer bar. which makes it either a guessing game or very hard to perfectly time the twist at the end of the swing animation
Swing timers don't suffer from push back. The only thing that would interfere with the Swing timer is if you parry an attack and therefore get parry haste.
@@lasergunqq1551 When judgement is on cd and you've just AA'd then you'll just swap from SoB to SoC before the red line so you'll have time to swap back to SoB for the twist.
@Anthony Timmers dude its not a gimmick lmfao? there is literally no mana cost. have you even tried it? Because of sanctified judgement giving you seal of bloods mana cost back, you are only losing a Rank 1 seal of command ( a whopping 55 mana!) worth of mana every few seconds. You wont ever oom untill you start spamming consecration/exorcism. You literally get 55 mana when you get 1 tick of renewal healing. stop spreading misinformation.
@Anthony Timmers I do it myself, command has a 44% chance to proc which also yields an extra seal of blood. All this for delaying crusader strike by at most 1.5 seconds. You judge plenty also. Please do some research.
![[TBC Classic Paladin] Detailed Seal Twisting Guide](/img/n.gif)
It’s come to my attention that I have messed up the avenging wrath macro. It should read as follows.
/Cast Avenging Wrath
/use *trinket name*
/Cast Seal of Blood
/startattack
Can you link the addon plz? Cant find it. Ty.
I was JUST about to type saying I am having a problem with Avenging Wrath going off with the Macro lol. Thank you!
Thank you for this breakdown. I've been playing a Ret Paladin since OG TBC. I never did any seal twisting then. I'm interested in trying it out now.
My advice (from someone just learning it) is focus on twisting first and foremost) then fit CS/Judgement into the rotation as if you start learning twisting...fitting the SoC cast, SoB cast, Crusader Strike, Judgement can be a little confusing. So just get comfortable with the twisting then fit in CS/Judgement
This should be updated for the Season of Discovery Ret Pala.
thanks. was looking for a short and informational guide like this for a couple of weeks now
I did not know Seal twisting was a thing. I tried it out. This is ridicoulus... in a good way.
I've been playing close to this good, but the startattack seal macro and better swing timer WA displaying the tick-off persistence of SoC is very useful - this is probably the guide i didn't realize i needed. cheers.
This was exactly what I was looking for. Came here from your pally deep dive with Kargoz. Thanks!
You sir, have shown me the strength of the light.
Weird tid bit; seal of righteousness can be twisted into seal of command, it also gets the .5 overlap unlike seal of blood (not useful endgame but leveling a paladin, it did become useful especially before ever having crusader strike or seal of blood)
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cant wait to hit level 70 and grab SoB on Ally side..
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Amazing video 10/10
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This is literally song twisting as a Bard from EverQuest. If you know then you know.
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Awesome video, helpful to any new paladins
Perfect video! Thanks you :)
Ladies and gentlemen... the only spec in TBC that requires skill!
rofl, go look at a max DPS hunter rotation. This cast bar timing is literally just basic hunter shot rotation. and paladins only have 1 attack to push, so it's basically like now they got 3 buttons. lol
‘Skill’, bro it’s just another lame rotation that needs 3 minutes of practice.
@@odiw2509 aren't hunters just use 1 button macro (and just spam it) for their max DPS rotation?
@@impaladba no, that macro will not work for TBC classic, and hunters are now weaving
@@johandewith4953 hunter tbc rotation is more complicated than most retail rotations, with max melee weaving
Can i get the timer addon without the UI? Other timer addons seem to bug after some autohits and doesnt show the timing
Inlove of this guide, my paladin still low, but i tried this with seal command + seal of righteousness i got 2 stacks of Vegance right after i swap of seals.
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Seal Twisting works in both directions: From Command to X AND X to Command
Atleast this works with SoR, I don't know about Blood/Martyr
It works for righteousness (which isn’t great damage at 70) but it does not work for blood/martyr
You cannot twist seal of martyr into seal of command it does not work. There is no lingering effect on blood or martyr like there is for command and righteousness.
If you could twist both ways, would it be wise the drop the judgement from the rotation and just keep twisting with only crusader strike as filler ? Now thats the real question
Great video Blayst. I was wondering if there was anyway that one could potentially put a latency bar into the swing timer to get better accuracy out of it? Similar to the way casters have their latency bar when they cast. Hopefully to cut out some inconsistencies in when the twist should be activated.
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Nice vid as always Blayst.
And it's pronounced Ga-fa-en not Gaffien ;)
Great video. Would you mind please sharing the list of add-ons that you use?
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Hello, in what spot of the bar I should use Crusader Striker?
Does the add on change when you equip dragonspine trophy when it procs the 325 haste buff
Thanks for the Video! 2 Questions:
1. Maro doesn't make sence in my pov. 1. Sob and 2. Avenging Wrath... but there is a gblobal cd?! How it should work?
2. What is a average dps a ret could do in a 25raid in P1?
1. There isn't a global cooldown. 2. About 980dps
Greetings! Let me be clear. So it looks like i should use SoT every second attack , and when I have free time bettween >>> CS>>>Judjment>>> some other spell like Exorсism or Consecration - right?
anyway thanks for great video! (sorry for my bad english)
what seal is best when no seal twisting? SoC or SoB? Like sometimes I dont feel like twisting to clear some trash mobs
SoB is the best seal to use when not twisting.
Is there a way that I can remove the spell cooldowns, and just keep the weaponswing timer?
i instaled the weak aura but it doesnt show up for me . it shows to configure but when i closethe weak aura it disapears
Great stuff as always! I see you once or twice pop back into soc when judgment is still on cd. When, if ever, do you recommend going all in on the twists on each AA? Is it just too mana intensive?
Mana won’t be a problem in a raid environment with all of your buffs. Each AA twists will occur during BL/Hero if your crusader strike is on CD.
@@TheRealBlayst sounds good. Been doing gimped SoR seal twisting in dungeons so far just to practice it for raids. I got it down on simple one target fights but I often scuff it on retargeting and when a mob runs outta range. You got any tips for improving on that? It looks very effortless in your moroes fight with multiple targets etc
Will this WeakAura work on pserver? I'm using the backported 2.4.3 version and is says error decompressing string. Any ideas?
hello! can you explain plz, how to make this swing timer colored like yours? Idk :(
question, should i wait until reach the last line of twisting and switch to seal of blood? because i did the same but some times doesnt proc the dmg and i also have weakaura too for seal twisted.
use judment only on SOB ??
just got the WA and my SoC bar is white and the last bar at the 0,4 sec timer isnt there :
Pally gang!
What rank of seal of command is used? Great job!
rank 1 in pve
you should update the pins in the ret channel to link gaffaens weakaura. baranors is cool but gaffaens has a ton more
I know the guide is quite old by now, but is it possible to twist SoR into SoC and vice versa ? or can you only twist SoC into SoB ?
It is but it is not as much damage as Soc and SoB
its hard to guage if i should be using it on the last white line or before or after... please help.
I have weak auras, how do I get gatheons seal twist?
Hi, first sorry for my english, and second, how can I get a bar like yours that shows the right time for twisting? thanks from advantage
There is a link in the description for this video.
Do I twist every weaponswing? like how would I feasibly fit crusader strike or conc in the rotation then?
nvm you covered it
Would it be necessary to use both macro and weak aura?
How do you do a insta twist? On the start of a fight?
Kinda need more info on how to twist ... like I hit seal of command then right when I auto swing I hit seal of blood and judge it immediately?
When your soc is active, a moment before swing occurs you switch to sob so your attacks gets double the effect from both seals. After soc is active you can judge and go back to command and wait for another swing to switch to soc. Then crusader, cons or whatever. But making sure your swings always get double effect from both seals.
what is that wa , seal of command and seal of blood , the big ones on the top
where i can get seal of martyr?
so you have seal of command and seal of blood both active when doing an auto attack?
Yes you need to have SoC up prior to applying SoB
@@TheRealBlayst WOW... it's a game changer tactic)
@TheRealBlayst very nice guide, thank you for that ! But I do have an issue with the WA, it’s not displaying the 400ms twisting window at the end of the swing timer bar, even though I have SoC up. Any idea why is that ? I’m using the WA from the vid’s description
Are you playing on a non-english client?
@@TheRealBlayst yes indeed
@@beuss57 you will need to change the name of the seals from English to whichever client you are playing on. It should work after that.
When i downloaded the weak aura theres a little box that says whay aura i have activated in the center of my screen. any idea how to get rid of that?
Is there a guide on how to set up the way you have it, with addons, macros and stuff
play the game by yourself?
is there a way to make the Seal of Command register as rank 1?
Ty for your secrets
i dont understand u use seal of crusader (for debuff 3 crit) than use between command and blood, byt your seal of crusader on target dont change. and between crusader and blood u use hammer??
I am lvling pala atm and are trying to seal twist SoC with SoR, but it almost NEVER works even though I am casting SoR in the 0.4s window. Am I doing something wrong here? [using the WA from the film]
So do you always hold SoB to be judged before swapping to command? or do you just swap to command if judgement is on CD? sry I know my wording is kinda weird lol.
Use Crusader strike if it isn't on cd (or other fillers). And if both judgement and CS are on cd after an AA then you just swap from SoB to SoC and then back to SoB for the twist.
Depends on your wpn speed too, like can you use a skill and then swap to SoC and back to SoB for the twist. I haven't tested that myself yet.
@@Demiurgi been testing with SoCrusader since I dont have blood to get use to twisting. Its def tricky, but ill get it.
@@FrostyWoW You can use SoR instead of SoB till we get it in tbc.
@@Demiurgi u
having trouble figuring out how to keep the weak aura displays to be always turned on, instead of it only being active in combat. im not very proficient in weak auras, can anyone tell me exactly what i need to do? thanks!
Hope this will help you. You need to check WA's setting, Load page -> check Always button
@@TheMarkustim im sorry i cant find it, i import the weak aura, im looking at the settings but i cant find the load page part
I think you set wrong icon on 3:48, as you should've put SoC instead of SoB right after judgement.
Why does the addon work on private servers? Or at least not for me.
why are my seal twists not always working if i do everything correctly? your macro is not working always too
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Should you seal twist every auto attack or every other?
Every other unless you have bloodlust or a high haste proc from a trinket; then it’ll be two twist autos followed by a seal of blood auto for the 3rd auto, while crusader striking then as soon as the auto attack resets judge then go seal of command and repeat (crusader strike should continue landing on that timing until the haste giving effect drops too)
@TheRealBlayst how can we get your weak aura to show out of combat? AKA be showing all the time?
i use the german version so maybe i get some translations wrong.
but basically you open the WeakAura window.
then you click on your WeakAura Group you want to show all the time.
on the top of the right window there should be a tab called "load" or "loading" or something like that, click on that.
now you should see "combat" ticket there.
remove the tick so the "combat" field is unchecked.
in this window you can also set an option so your WeakAura will not show while you're dead or won't show if you're on another class so checkout the other options to see what you need and what you won't need.
@@Buttersaemmel thank you so much! I’ll check this out today!
A Judgement Macro which directly activates Seal of Command. Judgement doesn't have the GC.
Good video. I have been leveling belf paladin as ret and doing seal twisting with righteousness. With those I have found out that I can twist from sor to soc or from soc to sor. So is it possible that it works like that with blood also?
No it is not possible to twist seal of blood into seal of command
@@TheRealBlayst But why does it work with sor? And not with sob?
@@christophmaier7010 blizzard sucks
@@christophmaier7010 Honestly I’m not sure, as SoC was the only one that was twistable back in retail tbc. It’s probably a mutation of activision blizzard 😂
SoC and SoR are the only seals that linger for 0.4 seconds. Meaning you can only twist from those 2.
Is the red bar accurate? I feel like i've been getting away with casting SoC late and still getting the proc on twisting.. maybe due to 3.4 speed wep I currently have?
It is not 100% accurate, I intentionally added a safety buffer of .2 seconds
@@SuperGaffateip Is there a way to remove the global cooldown tick from all the icons judge/sob/cs/consecration/exorisim/hoj? I don't like all the "0" that pop up every GCD. Also... when I enable Show Cooldown in the cooldown settings I am getting double cooldown timers... any idea?
Can this Be used with seal of righteous during leveling
yes it can, but youll go oom pretty fast
I tried the second macro but avenging wrath does not pop. Can you not do it anymore?
Check out the pinned comment on this video
How do i make the Swingtimer overall smaller?
Can someone explain to me when do you use that macro? Always before seal twist or just in some situations? I did not get it from video
Which macro are you referring to, the normal seal of blood (martyr) start attack or the avenging wrath one
@@TheRealBlayst normal one
@@Mario-zg3ho you have it as your normal seal of blood, it can be used in your normal rotation
Can u tell me what addons u using which helps u with twisting?
I have a UI macros and addons video on my page
could you please make an video for all your macros would help me out so much
do i understand correctly that when you twist correct there is a 70% change that it is succsiding cuz of the prog change of SoC
Correct. Sometimes command doesn't proc. So you don't get the second seal of blood damage. You'll want to twist every other auto attack on the off chance it does proc though. It's a gamble but it is a huge increase in damage when it goes off.
Seal twist auto -> crusader, Judge, or exorcism -> blood auto -> crusader, judge, or exorcism -> repeat; that's the ret rotation for TBC.
Great video man! Btw you are using the swing bar on a private server?
No I put the weak aura swingtimer that works on tbc classic in the description for this video.
@@TheRealBlayst how do i install it? i only see a copy string button
@@MrKevlarkent you need to install weak auras and then import the string
i dont know if u can help me , i try to seal twits when my target is repentance , but my autoattack just dont go on
its the only time my seal twist marcro doesnt work
What is seal of blood? cant find it in my spellbook
If you are alliance it will be called Seal of the Martyr
how do you cast seal of blood and wings at the same time? they are on the same gcd its not working for me
Wings activation is off the GCD but other spells places it on GCD. Make sure that avenging wrath is the first spell in your macro line before your Seal.
Как это в пвп применять?! Когда все бегают и прыгают
is there an option in that weak aura to have it on all the time, even out of combat?
yes go through the options
@@theMJL i went thru all the triggers and auras to placed them on always show however it still only activates in combat other then weapon swing timer and vengence. Any ideas?
The seal of blood and Avenging Wrath macro doesn't appear to work
Wow I had a huge brain fart and misplaced the words. Thank you for that information. I just updated with a public comment that has the correct wording. I apologize for this!
I have been practicing this as I level and found that judging SoCr messes with the rotation flow. Any advice on how to manage it
if you're leveling, open with SoCr judge and start from SoR, you can twist in either direction using SoR and SoC. I've also found that if you're weapon is 3.0 speed or faster it makes judging and twisting in the same swing MUCH harder
Are these target dummies in TBC? You are saying "seal of blood" isn't that horde side? What is the rotation for Alliance?
Is this only for Horde Blood Elves?
nah bro alliance will be able to do the same as well, only they have to wait until lvl 70 while horde can start at lvl 64 (assuming you mean twisting command and blood)
@@tonederf6419 Thanks man! It was kinda hard to find any info on this. Too much old outdated info unfortunately.
I am so glad this is going away with Wrath.
So is it only SoC into SoB for the twist? It won’t twist if you’re in SoB and move into SoC, right?
Yes its only one-way from SoC to -> X , but you can use Righteousness as well into 2 directions. So speaking, you can dual twist from SoC to -> SoR -> back to SoC. But it only works with Righteuousness and Command, no other seals
One thing that doesnt get mentioned here , but I am sure everyone finds out from actually playing with the WA.
When you are getting hit by abilities or mobs, depending on their speed or push back, it completely fucks your Swing timer bar.
which makes it either a guessing game or very hard to perfectly time the twist at the end of the swing animation
Swing timers don't suffer from push back. The only thing that would interfere with the Swing timer is if you parry an attack and therefore get parry haste.
Sometimes you Seal Twist after 1 1/2 Swings why is that? Other than that great Content!
I’m having a hard time understanding the 1 1/2 question. Are you referring to me applying SoC before the red line in order to twist?
@@TheRealBlayst yes exactly thats what i ment! Sorry i should have been more specific.
@@lasergunqq1551 When judgement is on cd and you've just AA'd then you'll just swap from SoB to SoC before the red line so you'll have time to swap back to SoB for the twist.
Threat he explained
holy crap i never knew you couldn’t seal command into blood, i was wondering why it’d never work!
What is the actual dps difference
@Anthony Timmers dude its not a gimmick lmfao? there is literally no mana cost. have you even tried it? Because of sanctified judgement giving you seal of bloods mana cost back, you are only losing a Rank 1 seal of command ( a whopping 55 mana!) worth of mana every few seconds. You wont ever oom untill you start spamming consecration/exorcism. You literally get 55 mana when you get 1 tick of renewal healing.
stop spreading misinformation.
@Anthony Timmers I do it myself, command has a 44% chance to proc which also yields an extra seal of blood. All this for delaying crusader strike by at most 1.5 seconds. You judge plenty also. Please do some research.
Is seal twisting also viable in PvP?
Yes it is viable in pvp I do it a lot.
@@TheRealBlayst I see. But isn't it too mana draining?
@@ranarsa It is using your mana yes, but it will allow you to kill your target incredibly quickly
@@TheRealBlayst thanks, I will definitely try it out :)
Try with 5/5 reck