2023 Nissan Frontier Pro-4X First Tow With Real World MPG And Acceleration!
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Here's my first time towing a trailer with a Nissan Frontier! Check out the acceleration, stability, and MPG! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #nissanfrontier
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I’m towing a camper almost that exact same size on a 2023 Frontier SV. But mine has a weight distribution hitch and a RedArc Tow-Pro Liberty brake controller. Also have a bed rack to haul two kayaks on top, had some bulky outdoor recliner chairs in the bed, and the camper was loaded with all of our supplies. My truck handled the load exellently.
Best midsize truck out
here is the result from TFL towing up the "Ike"...
Colorado 4cyl turbo / Frontier 6cyl na
box trailer weight # 6800 / 6700
payload max / max
squat inches 2.5 / 2.0
speed mph 60 / 60
time minutes 7.5 / 7.9
max throttle foot to floor yes / yes
fuel consumed mpg 3.6 / 4.4
engine rpm 5400 / 6000
engine rpm per cylinder 1350 / 1000
conclusion for towing equal weights and speed:
Colorado
turbo works 35% harder,
turbo consumes 22% more fuel
suspension squats 25% more
Nissan is the superior truck
Colorado is wider and has a higher payload capacity which means it will be safer towing that load. It also has an integrated trailer brake controller and due to that may have additional sway control built in. Colorado has superior cameras, infotainment system, rear seat comfort, and ground clearance. MSRP on nissan pro4x is typically higher than trail boss and comparible to z71. I like the nissan old school mechanics but its far behind on most other features. In my experience towing is where ford shines and in that same tfl test I believe the little 2.3 L ranger did surprisingly well which means when they release the 2.7 L v6 ranger that is going to be top midsize truck for towing. Raptor loses too much to the offroad suspension and large tires to compete for towing.
@@spyder000069 The Frontier has automatic sway control built in as well. Not arguing anything, just wanted to point out that it DOES have it.
@@hondamotorsrider I was under the impression that the sway control systems may also activate the trailer brake slightly and at certain times but maybe I'm wrong. I will have to do a little more research on that and I appreciate your point. I have wired in trailer brake controllers in the past on older trucks but it is really nice to have it all integrated in.
I have a 2022 Frontier SV, def has a little more payload that Pro4X models (1340lbs). Tow almost the same size trailer 19BH/3500-4500lbs a few times a year. I use the Anderson Sway/Weight dist. hitch, as you mentioned its still a big wind sail behind a shorter wheelbase/lite truck. Makes it much more stable all the way up to 70ish mph. Truck has plenty of power and braking, especially with my Tekonsha RF Prodigy controller on it. Also like seeing the 12-13mpg avg towing fuel economy when keeping the speeds reasonable or not on hilly terrain. Wish it had a bigger fuel tank though, the range sucks when towing!
I also did some minor tweaks to the truck which helped. Installed Sumo springs in back to help limit sag, etc. Ended up removing the Passenger rated Michelin Primacy tires and put on LT C Range Tires on it, run them aired up to about 45+lbs on rear when towing. Totally made a world of difference in sway/squirm and straight line stability when towing!
thanks good info to know
what mpg are you getting not towing?
@@jamonmang6099 23mpg on the highways on the new lt c tires. Before hand I might get 25ish with the michelin passenger style tires
@@VPI8524 thank you.
You definitely need a weight distribution hitch with that truck
Last summer I towed a 4,500lb 22ft travel trailer from AZ to PA and back with my 2022 Frontier SV crew cab long bed (long wheelbase model). I used a RedArc brake controller and a weight distribution hitch. The truck did a fantastic job. It was an easy, low stress journey. The Frontier did a far better job all around compared to my first generation Tundra making the same journey.
The problem is mountains
1st gen tundra really only had a trailer towing rating of about 3500 lbs. if u think about it, mid size trucks today are more like full size of yesterday
Thank you for putting this demonstration together. I’m plan on getting this exact truck and towing a much smaller and lighter trailer (enclosed cargo with a motorcycle in it).
The TOW wire is there. If your car doesn't not equip it, just go to dealer to buy the button. It's plug and play.
The Frontier, and most 1/2 ton trucks, are not setup for heavy trailer towing.
Add an electric brake controller with 7-pin connector, rear-air bags for the suspension, and a weight distribution hitch properly adjusted will help you tremendously.
Allowing the back to squat and the front to lift will affect braking and stability control on long trips.
I will also add, your automatic transmission and engine is going to heat up more when towing and your radiator is going to work overtime to cool it all down.
I use an external transmission cooler as well.
We tow a 16' camper with our '22 S trim with WD, sway, and brake controller. We are just over 4,100 pounds fully loaded. It has done great. I wonder how much the P4X suspension affected his results.
Hercules tire company makes some rugged truck tires for hauling / towing that reduce heat in the sidewalls by about 30% so with the upgraded adjustable shocks & leveling kit, different tires trailer brake control you'd have a completely different experience the transmission is a Mercedes design licensed by jayco so it's tough & smooth & the motor is tuned for gas mileage an air intake & exhaust wakes it up helps it breath z1 has a great package check out the nismo suspension leveling kit & upgraded resivoirs shocks it's like day & night both on & off road
Great review, thanks for this.
I think the truck did OK for what it is. But this falls under the category of, just because you can doesn’t mean you should lol.
Fall under the category of You should raise the hitch so the trailer is level and that size truck needs weight distribution and sway bar! It would be perfectly fine!!
@@Rccrdawgscorrect
100%@@Rccrdawgs
@@Rccrdawgs True but its nice to be able to hook up and not have to add the weight bars and such. The other offerings such as colorado/ranger have higher payload capacity with stiffer springs and typically computer aided trailer sway control along with the integrated trailer brake controller. Plus the longer wheelbase and wider stance on the other models will give more stability. So while you can equip the nissan to pull this load the other trucks will do it better out of the box.
Stock 1/2 ton trucks, in general, are not going to do great at towing a camper for long distances. A set of airbags and weight distribution hitch isn’t much $$$ and you’re going to get much better stability.
Recommend investing in an adjustable height, weight distribution hitch. Especially if you plan on continuing to do trailer and truck reviews. Tough to judge the capabilities of a vehicle when not setup properly. I’d recommend Gen Y it’s the first to come to mind . They make an adjustable hitch receiver that allows for use with preexisting weight distribution hitches.
Thanks regardless and all the best!
You can tell you're spoiled with big trucks because all the people that have midsize trucks tow 2000- 5,000-lb at 60 to 70 mph all the time. without complaining
Do you think this truck would be ok to pull 5,500?
yes but no gear nothing nada. over 4 id go 3/4 ton@@ssnarine
@@ssnarine With a weight distribution hitch and careful driving yes. Weight is only part of it. If the 5500 is a travel trailer then you have wind resistance which is what is going to make you white knuckle it. For a travel trailer you are better off with one of the other mid sized offerings or 1/2 ton truck. I pulled a 16ft enclosed aluminum trailer with a chevy spark inside with my F150 with no issues (around 5500lbs). With my 20ft enclosed steel frame trailer with the spark (6500 lbs) the f150 would pull fine but the wind and additional hitch weight would move the rear around a bit. Same combo connected to my F250 was just like every day driving. However, the f250 in daily driving is not great between the stiff ride and size in parking lots, and 14mpg. Again, for comfortable towing 5500 I'd say a full size half ton truck is going to be the sweet spot (f150, chevy 1500, nissan titan).
@@spyder000069 I actually drove it from Texas to California in February for the first time and it did amazing with my Nissan frontier!
@@ssnarine Great to hear. what exactly were you pulling?
All the wiring is in place for a brake controller. Its plug and play and takes about 5 min to install on the frontier. Why nissan just doesn't do it idk. But it all there and super easy install
Wow good info,are some place I can find more info?
@@davidposey8581Redarc trailer controllers
I like them lil frontiers, I think they’re a good looking small truck. Never drove one though. They’ve stepped up their game, in looks anyway.
I drove one very comfortable, smooth transmission, and good power. Usually by Toyotas but i drove a 2023 Tacoma and was not impressed by it at all. I willbe placing an order for a 2024 Nissan.
@@jmb-cm7mr seems Nissan is the only company that ain’t afraid to still put v8’s in the big trucks. Toyota followed ford in the turbo 6 realm for full-size. I won’t even look at them. GaM, Nissan and Ram still do but Rams are shit trucks, same with GM. I’ll put my money in a Titan. The rangers are shit boxes with 4 bangers, no amount of PR or commercials will ever convince me that a smaller engine working with higher payloads/towing can take the same abuse over a long period. It’s math. It don’t change. More stress on smaller components will wear faster. I know guys that own businesses that tow daily and they ran them v6 to pieces, didn’t last 80k miles, got f250 and pitched the f150’s. Junk. Tundra, junk too.
Titan is going away after this year
got a 14 sv and a 22 frontier sv love em thinking getting another. run a pool route . my 14 i got had only 32k miles now 170k
have had zero issues
@@grapplerguy2007 you tow?
Best video yet thanks for the content man you look awesome in that truck! This is my dream truck out of college.
Regarding the Nissan Frontier gas mileage and octane level.
These are high compression engines that use knock sensors to allow use of 87 octane. Otherwise high compression engines need 90 octane or higher.
At the lower octane, the ECU will adjust the ignition timing and thusly lower the power output.
When 89 or higher octane is used in the Frontiers, you’ll notice a power difference after a few tanks.
I use 89 all the time, and 91 when towing our 18’ trailer with our 2016 Frontier.
Your wrong their low compression did you read the manual it says to use 87 but to each their own I have a civic type r and yeah on that I use 91
@@miguelplascencia6093 Nice…
the VQ40 has a ratio of 9.7:1, versus a stock Chevy 350 is around 8.5:1.
The VQ40 has knock sensors and the 350 does not.
Point is, 9.7 is considered high compression and is why Nissan uses Knock sensors to control ignition timing when low octane fuel is used. The manual does say 87 minimum, and the dealer has told me directly to use higher when possible.
I use 89 everyday and have seen an improvement in performance. I also use 91 when towing.
To be clear, follow your owners manual and use 87 minimum 😉
I use a WDH and sway control even when I had a small trailer like this it made a difference.
yes ! agree
Sway control hitch is a must with a 3000 lb trailer. Just to hitch a trailer to any truck is taking a chance at 60 MPH.
@@davidgeorge4113 a proper hitch bolted to the frame , not a 2" ball on the dock bumper
402 miles and it wasn’t even filled up all the way that’s good. That’s very impressive my Tacoma goes up to 427 mile range.
I put an Old Man Emu lift ( 1-3/4" front and 2-3/4" rear, sets level when towing) on my 2019 Pro 4X. The street handling improved with the stiffer springs and shocks. Trailer sway should be addressed by adjusting the load in your trailer - there are several good videos on that. The stock Hankook tires are NOT load rated for even a light trailer. I wore them out aftern 20k - I replaced mine with General Gatters AT's which have a much higher load rating. I can pull my trailer at 80mph if I wish to burn the gas. I get 12.5 mpg average towing in California
Thank you for the review.
Beautiful truck and great tow review, thank you! BTW the 11mpg might also be due to the boxy shaped camper. Might be a little better mpg with an Airstream or fiberglass like Casita or similar shape that cuts the wind.
Why are you running 50 psi in the tires? Running that high will make it squirrely as well. Door sticker says 35 psi cold.
Yeah most likely on stock tire they fill them up to 46psi
Nice video! I think a weight distributing hitch with sway control would help you a ton with the uneasy wagging feeling.
Billstein shocks are not the best for towing. You'd have a much more stable ride in the S or SV trim of the Frontier.
Great video , I'm thinking about , exactly , the same set - up...!!🧔🏿.
Sway could be weight distribution of the trailer. Just a thought!
put a Redarc trailer controller on it the fits were your buttons on the left the truck comes pre wired just plug and play
Stability? Set the trailer up properly, use a Weight Distribution Hitch with the trailer set level and SLOW DOWN!!! BTW, it’s an eight speed, they call it a nine speed but they are including reverse. And, 310hp at the higher Octane, 89 or 91, read the fine print.
I know you posted this months ago, so I hope you've had time to learn that it is indeed a 9 speed. There are 9 forward gears and a reverse.
@@prestondeters5093 When I looked up the gear ratios it only showed 8. I was comparing the ratios of the mid size trucks and I figured the Frontier was best for towing.
Tow with the new Titan! I'm curious about the Titan
Don't know if there's much point to that, seeing as 2024 is the last year for the Titan, then Nissan will be closing that plant to retool and focus on a couple other models. Titan just doesn't sell.
@@NoName-fx9zi
It's not going away. There's gonna be a 2025 Titan. It's just not gonna have a V8.
Why are you towing in 4WD? Your little 4x display down by the speedo shows the front wheels lit up solid which means it’s in 4x4.
When towing with my taco i dont even rev near 3k rpm otherwise it be crying. I may trade for the frontier for more power.
🔥🔥 I wish there was a way to make it a softer ride when you’re pulling absolutely nothing it’s a very stiff chassis. 🔥🔥
I have a 23 pro4x what did you think of the bluetooth curt brake controller verses having one on board.
You can get even better billstien/nismo shocks with leveling kit & an aftermarket brake kit that will significantly increase safe towing capacity also leaf spring helpers wouldn't hurt also off road tires aren't ideal for towing
Your reviews of a truck when towing without a wdh, sway control is totally wrong! It can make a great truck look bad. Why?
If you are planning on towing something. You need to change to a better suspension and good tire size.
I don't trust tow ratings any way might do better if the trailer was a tandem axel .my tacoma is rated at 6500 it struggles to move my 6000 lb airstream 25 ' most mid size id never go over 5000 lbs no more than 7' wide I recommend low trim spec for max tow and max payload
That's why you need to go GM, 369 foot pounds in the 2.8 duramax, and now 430 foot pounds in the 2.7.. everything else is WAY outclassed.
@@thewireman134 2.7 is a V6 like to see the new tacoma Colorado. ranger , see how they. tow TFL truck does a tow test. over the cont divide 'the ike' ON I-70 worlds tuffest tow test any thing is better than my tacoma
in your opinion, would an airstream basecamp 16 be a better tow for a Frontier?
@@heyitsmeLarryFNJ yes to is the perfect size no more that 4000lbs
🔥 I wish there was a way to permanently disconnect the ABS brake system. I think it’s sucks.
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Yea your trailer is a little too long from hitch to trailer axle for that set up...I'm buying one to pull a small RV Trailer around 4200 lbs.. I will in addition get the anti sway bars, and leveling torsion bars
Ha an old 4.0L Frontier for six years and 120,000 miles. Absolutely no difference in fuel economy no matter what gas I ran in it. You mention Infiniti's but they are a different animal. Assume you were talking about a 3.7 and those are a different animal. They say "premium fuel recommended" in my wife's old QX50.
It has a 6k towing capacity. Payload I'd what you can put in the truck bed
Sway bars would help. And Firestone airbags too...
The 2023 PRO 4X is rated to tow 6500 pounds
If it locks you out of the top two gears, how are you driving in 8th gear since it is one of the top two? Does the guy know it is a 9-Speed trans? NO need to keep in lower gears on flat land....downshift is normal with an automatic. Turned the video off since it is not making much sense. Trailer is too large for that vehicle without a weight distribution and sway control hitch. The frontal area needs to be figured into the equation when towing.
Can you please give us your opinion on the Fender sound system? Thank you.
I can say it's OK, i have the frontier fully loaded pro 4x, sound is OK, its clear smooth, great bass but not loud as i wanted.
@@monsterclaws2661let's be honest comparing with other sound system it's kinda trash. Especially when you paying extra for it. It's more like a better original no brand sound system.
You can see that the trailer is swaying through the back window as your driving. I don't think I would tow a trailer that tall with that truck. I towed a 16' flatbed trailer back and forth to the dump and it towed great but, I just don't think I would tow a trailer as tall as the one your towing JB. It would be a white knuckle ride for me.
I would say the problem is the trailer isn’t level. This trailer is 3k less than max tow..there shouldn’t be a problem
Bam! That trailer is WAYYY to low in the front. He needs to raise the ball up.
I wish the parking brake was hand held , not foot controlled.
Can you compate this to a 23 Canyon towing the same load? That 2.7 HO is a marvel. Thanks!
You need sway bars, you don't pull a Travel Trailer without sway bars, believe me. Matter of fact. you're a hazard on the road without them, dude !
To me that hitch is a little to low. Trailer should be level with the truck
You have the wrong hitch. If the hitch were even, the trailer wouldn't lean forward.
Manufacturers really do a disservice to these trucks rating the payload at 35psi of tire pressure.
Payload? Or tire pressure...
@@All-Miles-Matter rating the payload with tires inflated only to 35psi. You know what I meant 😂
@newenglandrvadventures no actually I didn't. That's why I was confused. I see you fixed the comment.
Were you at
The way i always looked at it was if you need a trailer break control you shouldnt be towing it with a midsize
Put bigger rear swaybar and add rear leafspring , if you feel like the truck waving left to right , if the factory put 30mm swaybar , add larger swaybar to 37mm or 40mm
11 MPG! Not good! Nice truck all day.
Bro that suspension is not soft
😂😂😂😂
Your towing a barn !
You are not informed enough to do a towing video. Seriously
What a brutal review. Seems like you've never pulled a trailer before or for sure not done any learning on the truck you're trying to review. Learn something and then try again. Useless.
get a real hitch
Donyou have a license? Ever drive before? My God. Just trash review.
Ha hahaha my Maverick has a payload of 1490 lbs
Your maverick can’t even tow the trailer he’s towing
@@LionX27I can tow 4k
You need up the hitch move up its easy
Yes. The trailer should be level. The angle of incident I seen at start of video will cause lots of zig zag, sway in trailer. I’ve got a 23 sv longbox 4x4 and it tows my 4800 lb tandem exile boat no problem but its level.
How wide is that trailer
7' my vote
@youtubecarspottersguide1 7' your vote?? Do you mean you think or that's the actual width ?
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 never mind
Most travel trailers are 8 foot wide
@@supporterofsanity I know this, but some come in 7 foot wide
My 2022 Colorado has a v6 with 308 horse power, I can't remember the torque, mine is rated at 7000 lbs towing, I do have the tow package on mine
like them looked at them in 2019 couldn't find a 4x4 etd cab and is one towing ? , the flats of Kansas , Florida or over the doner pass or cont divide , can I move the trailer , be safe and stop , 5500 lb 23' tandem axel make sure one ads ext tow mirrors as lot of trailers are 8' wide , all so we need to watch hitch wt as it comes off trucks payload
@youtubecarspottersguide1 I am a retired over the road truck driver, I just wanted to know how wide the trailer you are towing in this video
@@woofman4796 not sure it looks like 7' wide and maybe 20' ? not my video