It’s difficult for people to hear it, because Owen was so beloved by his fans, but the fact remains that he had some significant character and morality issues. The fact that his own brother told him point-blank that he needs to do the right thing and call Steve after he injured him and he still didn’t speaks volumes to his character. Also the story here with Dan it’s just more kindling for the fire. Sure Owen had a carefree and lovable attitude by all accounts, but it seems like he didn’t also take the safety of his coworkers as serious as he should and he certainly didn’t own up to his mistakes, at least in the instances we hear about.
There's the real guy and the facade that the fans and wrestlers only saw. Reminds me of these gangbanger types that get killed at some point and the mom defends them and says he never hurt a soul.
He was an overall good person but he certainly had his faults. I feel like in his own circle people found his ribs and humour funny however I’m sure to some he was a real pain the ass, he sounded quite immature and at times nasty with his pranks. Nobody wants to speak ill of him due to his unfortunate passing however what he did to Steve and Dan is unforgivable honestly, he should have known a lot better
"I got hurt more in my professional wrestling career than I did in in cage fighting" when someone like Dan Severn of all people says that, you know it's messed up
@@robertocruztv6097and for his reward, the crew messed up his catwalk entrance. Live by the pranks, die by the pranks #HomeOfTek316 put that on a t-shirt 💀
Owen Hart didn't perform the safest pile drivers. He temporarily paralyzed Steve Austin with that horribly botched move at SummerSlam '97. Austin never moved with quite the same speed or dexterity after that serious neck injury. That botched move probably took 10 years off of Austin's career.
You should check out his podcast that he does with Don The Predator Frye..It's called Dan and Don's Toxic Masculinity, they talk about pro wrestling, MMA, culture and politics. I'll forewarn you that they're definitely on the right wing side of politics, not a problem for me as that happens to be my political leanings, but if you're a social justice warrior you would hate it. Though definitely check out their non political content they're just two down to earth decent guys..
Crazy ain't it. Back then he didn't give a shit about nothing but those ratings and that money. Makes you wonder about if he had anything to do with Owen's death. I don't think he did but who knows...
@Colin Killian are you joking he wasnt that good? He was a great technical wrestler he could have a great match with anybody. I suppose you think dan severn was the best ever haha
@@johnm3907 Dan Severn isn't the greatest ever but he is one of the big names of ufc back when it first started. Let's not forget that ufc is really and wwe isn't. Owen would've tapped put 10 times over in a real fight.
I met Dan Severn at a Judo clinic in Virginia probably 20 ago. He was one of the nicest, humblest people you'd ever want to meet. I was in awe of him! It was during the infancy of the MMA
Bret intentionally cracked Bad News Allen full-force across the head with a bamboo stick back in Calgary, but I'm not sure if News suffered any long-term injuries as a result of that. Other than that, I also don't know of any instances where Bret Hart injured anyone in the ring.
@@mayavenuemisfit814He admitted in his book he once accidentally caught Randy Savage with a real punch and gave him a bloody nose but not a serious injury.
Dan Severn saying he won’t take care of you in your next match with him is more terrifying than a world leader saying hes going to invade your country 😂
lol however its more likely means, he wouldn't sell it to make Owen look good which was going to be a bad look for him. Dan was legit dangerous guy in the locker room and would have messed Owen pretty bad if he wanted too but he was to his own credit a nice guy but not a pushoever. Lucky for Owen that Don Frye wasn't in the business at the time cause he would pummel him.
why? put Dan Severn in his prime and he gets absolutely starched by even the mid level UFC heavyweights today because things have evolved so much. To someone who cant take care of themselves, yeah he's going to fuck you up, to anyone with talent in the modern era, he gets thrashed, especially with timed rounds so he cant just wait out 40 minutes like those shitty fights with shamrock. Hell, the last 13 years of his career he didn't really have any notable wins. Beat Griffin in the guys first pro fight, which no athletic commission should have sanctioned. There were no good strikers back then in his prime, maybe Vitor but they never fought. Arlovski today would've starched him and he doesnt have a chin.
@@jarheadiusrex1867 yeah, Rude was definitely more lean muscle for sure. The mustache and face would work though. I think Don Frye has the Mayor job secured though.
While we are on the subject.... I just found this fan-made Final Fight movie. I never saw it before. They literally casted Don Frye as Mike. Bahaha ua-cam.com/video/ykIDS42BMEA/v-deo.html
Interesting hearing this story for the first time In one of his books Mick Foley mentioned he asked Owen what Severn was like to work with in the ring and Owen replied something to the effect "he's a really nice guy" and Foley repeated his question of what it was like to work with Severn in the ring and Owen replied with the same response "he's a really nice guy" pointedly avoiding answering the question about in ring work I wonder how much Severn basically threatening him played a part in that
It all goes back to a saying I heard when I was a little kid. The strongest, toughest man in the world doesn't need to brag to others how strong and tough he is. He only needs to be able to show it when necessary. Many people with that kind of strength and toughness try to avoid using it at all costs, and only as a means of last resort for self-defense or to defend others, because they know how badly they can potentially hurt someone and would feel really bad if they had to do it.
I was lucky enough to do a mma seminar with Dan. He taught a small group. What a humble, kind, friendly man. He answered all my dorky, obscure technique detail questions, mma questions and pro wrestling questions.
@@wce05308 Each to their own. Sting is another in my book. Both helped their peers and, to my knowledge, never let success effect their attitude toward others.
I can't believe Vince McMahon would allow Owen hart to perform an inverted sit down pile-driver just a year after he legit injured his new upcoming star.
To be fair, Owen was a respected technical wrestler, most even Stone Cold said the injury was a fluke. Don't get me wrong, Austin was pissed, asked Owen to land on his knees beforehand and it's a dangerous move but Owen was so good no one really expected him to botch it nevermind twice. Thankfully he did drop it as a finish, even with a skilled wrestler like him it was so dangerous.
I was a little kid, and we used to call it the Nugget Piledriver, because nugget was his heel nickname that would set him off. After much searching, I could only ever find a 3rd attempt of this move on some jobber during a weekend WWE show that nobody really watched. It looked bad too. So he did this move at least 3 times, and all of them were botches. He should have known better. He didn’t deserve to die due to someone else’s carelessness, but he also shouldn’t have been so careless with other people’s lives dropping them flat on their heads like that.
Piledrivers should only be attempted by BIG guys with the strength to protect the other guys head. Owen was too small to be doing a strength move like piledriver. A 260lb guy upside down and driven downwards becomes more like a 500lb guy. Guys like Undertaker had that natural strength and control. Its twice as hard when you are tired and have muscles that are getting rubbery.
Shawn Michaels used the piledriver on bigger guys without a problem, but he did it differently. Instead of picking them up and dropping them straight down, he would pull their trousers as he fell backwards, effectively allowing the person receiving the move to have a lot more control of their positioning, as if they were doing most of the work to take the move and land using their own momentum. Shawn used it against the Undertaker and Sid several times and it always looked really safe. It’s very similar to Foley’s piledriver with how neither were picking up their opponent or were dropping them straight downward like Owen’s way of doing it.
For the life of me I never got why Owen ever did the piledriver the way he did. Even if you have only 'play-wrestled' as I have, you have to know the physics of whether to go to your knees or your ass.
I got a stinger once myself from a Michinoku Driver onto a gym mat. It was scary as hell. I thought I was paralyzed for the few minutes it lasted. I feel for Severn here. Heard he is a great guy. A friend of mine met him at a bar and he mentioned saving Sabu once from drowning in his soup...
What do you mean drowning in his soup? I kind of figure what it is, but could be completely wrong lol. But I wrestled in high school and at the state tournament I got slammed on my head from about chest height. It was one of the scariest moments of my entire life. I was amazed I got up and finished the match perfectly fine. Feel like I was inches from being possibly paralyzed or breaking my neck. As soon as it happened everyone started running over to me as if they knew instantly, I was fucked. Glad we were all lucky to evade possible paralysis.
@@sassytroy8282 okay I figured that’s what you meant, just didn’t want to sound dumb if it were something completely different. I’ve heard somas were some scary shit to see when people were on them.
The crazy thing about this incident is that it was the kickoff point to the angle that killed Owen. After Owen (kayfabe) injured Severn, he acted distraught and said he was going to retire. That's when they first brought him back as the Blazer. He was dead 8 months later.
@@canedewey756 I'm glad he finished stone colds overrated, bloated career. The 3 most irritating wrestlers of all time are Bret hart, stone cold and Undertaker. Owen Hart is one of the good ones
"If I ever have you in the ring again I says I will not take care of you". One of the sweetest ways of saying I'm gonna kick your fucking ass. Class act
@6:00 he's making an amazing point. Doctors are like that too. They get a doctorates and then never pick up a medical periodical to learn what's new. In that case if you have to ask your doctor about medicine you've seen on TV then you know you have a bad doctor. But wrestling is no different in that someone's life is in your hands so stay up on the training and stay sharp
@@mrclaretandblue A lot of people deserve to die. Not Owen though. He should've gotten some kind of consequence for botching the same move twice though.
People don’t want to say anything bad about Owen for obvious reasons but not injuring your opponent is a big part of being a pro wrestler. He is why Stone Cold left in 2003 instead of possibly 2013.
Say Austin's neck would've been ok...He still would have his knee problems that would only get worse as he got older. Maybe he makes it another 5 years to 2008 on a limited schedule. It'd of been a perfect ending for him if HBK was the one to retire him at a Wrestlemania when he truly was ready to retire.
@@fmthebaron Stone Cold only retired because of his neck. He still had many years to come. His knee injuries probably would have caught up to him but not until many years into the future.
@veganhigler6541It would have been (Vince Russo) and (Vince McMahon) anyway I was listening to a story by (Bret Hart) where (Vince Russo) called him about Owen wanting to leave tge WWF and go to WCW and (Vince McMahon) chimed in starting an argument with (Bret Hart) threatening to sue! I wish I could link the video but anyway plenty of people pointed out that (Steve Austin) botched the same move himself to another wrestler in Japan and seriously injured the other wrestler! Unfortunately Owned should have sued the WWF for being forced to work in a (hostile and unsafe) work environment, Owen Hart did protest against coming down from the rafters and was still told he had to which doesn't make any sense at all...
I hear Bret bitch and moan about Goldberg constantly, but you NEVER hear him talk about what Owen did to Austin and Severn. I'd probably say this to be an ass to Bret: Well God settled that matter in the end.
i def remember seeing it live. and i was surely like WOW. Owen aint fucking around. to hear it was angle, no shock there. to hear Owen still fucked it up.......damn .
A Sit Out Piledriver is just too risky of a move done by anyone. Even if you hit the move exactly right 98% of the time that still leaves 2% of the time you can hurt someone severely.
The problem with owen doing that version of the piledriver is that he is ... 1. Not strong enough to support the weight of his opponent on impact... 2. Has skinny stick quads that DO NOT provide the necessary additional cushioning upon impact...watch Paul Orndorff piledrive someone and you will see that his opponent's head rarely ever comes near the mat because of Paul's quad development.
Well yes, Scott Steiner could do that version easily, just like he used to do his Steiner screwdriver, he was both strong AF and had thick muscles. Owen at 5'8 and maybe 190lbs should have never tried to do that to anyone, especially someone considerably heavier than him, that he simply could not hold up. I have never heard about this Dan Severn situation before, but it really sucks.
You guys are speaking as of a seasoned pro like Owen didn’t know what moves he could use or not. He grew up being trained before he was grown. That if you can’t do a move correct 10 out of 10 times you don’t do it. And Dan mentions that to. When he said if we wrestle again I’m not taking care of you he’s saying he felt it was deliberate. He wouldn’t of said that if he thought it was an honest accident
Hey, either y'all weren't even born in the 90s or never watched Shawn Michaels when he returned in late 93 and started the whole scruffle with Razor over the IC title... He used a sick Paul Orndorff version of the piledriver as a finisher and he had no thicker quads and legs than Owen and never once injured anyone
Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker are the only guys that routinely did piledrivers and never botched them. That's why during the 2000's, the WWE only let those 2 (and Kane once in awhile) do piledrivers. HBK even did them many times on steel steps and made it look real without hurting the guy.
Owen was loved by his family of course and the crowd loved him. But he definitely seems like he doesn't care about other too much. Because he comes from the Hart family, he's respected, he died, etc people think they can't say a single thing bad about him. But he did a technique that nearly paralyzed someone and he almost did it again. Severn felt it go throughout his body, that's a terrible sign. When he broke Stone Colds neck he didn't even call to check on him. If he were to stay employed in wrestling he would have ended up paralyzing someone.
I loved this guy in WWF and I wish they did more with him. He just looked very cool and had an old school vibe. You could really picture him wrestling in the 60s or 70s.
I honestly can't imagine Dan threatening to kick anyone's ass. First off, dude didn't need seem like the type to give you a warning if you got him angry enough to want to fight, and secondly, he's just so damn nice!
I've met people who remind me a lot of how Dan Severn comes across. Some of the kindest, nicest, well-spoken, and respectful people I've ever met in my life. But at the same time, some of the absolutely strongest and toughest. They choose not to get their kicks by bragging about it, but aren't afraid to warn potential threats of the consequences of messing with them if it came down to it.
The night this happened to Dan was the same night that The Undertaker and Kane broke Vince McMahon's ankle and Stone Cold drove the zamboni into the Joe Louis Arena. Pretty eventful night there.
The fact he said he has been hurt more in his professional wrestling career more than his cage fights comes to show how dangerous the sport of pro wrestling can get, and this is coming from Dan Severn who was VERY tough!
I remember Ken Shamrock showing up to UFC event and they asked him about being a wheelchair with his leg casted up and he laughed and said something long the lines of "I been doing MMA for a decade and never got a serious injury. I do professional wrestling for less than a year so far and already having to get around in a wheelchair."
Either Shamrock misspoke or was quoted incorrectly. That quote should read “..BACK to pro wrestling…”. He was a wrestler in the late 1980s, before starting his shoot fighting career.
After what happened with Chono and then Austin later on, I don’t understand why Russo, Owen and Severn agreed to do this spot. If I was in Dan’s shoes and they ran this by me I would have said 2 words, FUCK NO!!!
I remember Owen wearing an “I just broke your neck” shirt after he did the same to Austin. I also heard that the shirt wasn’t part of the feud. Owen had it made and Austin took it personally.
The move really should be used as little as possible. But shorter guys really should not be doing it at all. The Undertaker was really tall so it always worked safely.
I'm 47 and Canadian. I watched Stampede Wrestling on TSN back in the 80s. The odd thing is, Owen did the inverted sit down piledriver regularly back then and never hurt anyone.
I know, I don't remember who, but I heard someone say Owen never did the pile driver like that until the time he did it on Austin, but I've seen him do it several times before and no one ever said anything, hell Lawler always did it for decades and supposedly never hurt anyone so the move itself can be done safely. I always figured shit just didn't work out that day, but then again I'm not a wrestler and all I know is what heard from interviews. I remember Austin saying he told Owen not to do it, but he still did, so that may be where the problem is.
Hm, how tall and heavy were his opponents though? Dan Severn is a big man and so was Steve Austin, they both outweighed Owen by dozens of pounds, were much taller than him and he wasn't exactly a strongman.
@@petegallows5494 well Owen was around 230 lbs but I do feel certain moves should be done on smaller and opponents and some moves should be done on bigger guys. Just a few years ago Aj Styles was hurting people with the styles clash he has used it all his career. Sometimes the talent sells wrong and injuries occur it could have just been a freak accident.
Owen wanted out, he didn't want to wrestle anymore but Vince forced him. So I don't..maybe Owen was trying to hurt guys so Vince wouldn't use him anymore.
He done it fine prior to the Austin incident. Although I'm guessing Austin and Severn weigh more than the wrestlers he done it to previously. As for when he done it to Bret.... There was no way he was going to botch it.
Well, Mongo was a football player who probably knew lots of guys with neck issues and figured that he'd seen enough trauma in football that you might as well play it safe in the ring.
Between this, botching Austin, and bret leaving for wcw, no wonder vince was angry at Owen which led him to mid card status..so they further humiliated Owen with the blue blazer which led to his death. Had Owen survived, he would have been in wcw by the end of 1999. Vince had Austin, rock, undertaker..Owen wouldn't have ever topped them. He should have left with bret.
The fact that Owen hurt tf out of people with this move then CONTINUES to do it says something....off.....about his character. It's a bit hard to believe that there wasn't some sort of intention there when fixing it is such an easy thing to do..... Makes you wonder what else he may have done and if there happens to be some karmic reason he ended up falling from the rafters eventually. That second part might sound weird but you just never know...
I have to imagine this move was Owen’s biggest blind spot in his career. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he performed the move after Austin’s injury to prove to himself he could do it safely, against his better judgement.
It does seem completely counter to him as a person. It’s really unexplainable. Plenty of guys did the move or variations safely but Owen’s shorter height (by 80/90’s wrestler standards) and larger opponents just made it too risky. Owen seemed to want to land guys in a traditional piledriver manner as well despite the fact it’s near impossible to tuck your chin fully in a tombstone position.
I thought the same thing. However in one match in Owens early years (after blue blazer) he did do an undertaker style tombstone. But it only happened once from what I recall.
@@Ken9284 He used to do it taker style all the time. The problem was it was Takers move eventually and they protected it. So he had to do a variation on it which was a dumb idea.
A little stunned to find that Owen performed that move after Summerslam 97. Don't recall him ever using it beforehand, nor after, and naturally assumed he'd have known better than to ever use it again. Kind of boggles my mind, not only that he thought to do it, but that Vince & co allowed him to get away with it (or did they?). Perhaps Owen was trying to prove a point or something - that he could in fact perform the move safely - but what arrogance must it have taken to feel the need to prove that? This vid actually has actually caused to reframe my perception of that whole Owen/Austin SS97 incident.
He uses to do that move before wwf, then changed it to the tombstone and rarely did it. And stone cold hurt a guy in japan with the exact same move and never talks about it
What’s the deal with Owen not knowing how to do that move? If he was still alive I’m sure no wrestler would ever allow him to do a pile driver on them. One time is inexcusable but twice?
What’s really sad, and I hate saying this because Owen isn’t here anymore but not only did Owen never apologize for this but There have been people that are close to Owen including his wife that have said Owen didn’t like Steve personally. In her book she even kind of suggest that it wasn’t an accident. Brett told him he needed to apologize to Steve that night and said you need to call him or go visit him and Owen never did.
@@ItchyGoomie Martha Hart never implies in her book that Owen injured Austin on purpose or even at all. Owen could do no wrong in her eyes. In fact she implies that Austin faked the injury for time off, which is absolutely deluded.
@@bdr113080 there may have been some personal issues between austin and owen before the incident. Maybe maybe not. But there is no way Owen did that intentionally. He was too much of a professional. He just fucked up. He should have apologized to Steve.
I think both Bret & Owen tended to lay the oil on a bit heavy in those days. I guess the guys who weren't quite as big & as freakishly muscular as some of the others might have used it more liberally. I'm not saying anything conclusively, but who knows? Oil could possibly have been a factor in both incidents, or at least a catalyst. I never understood one thing for the life of me. Two (or more) people put their well being (& very lives) in each other's hands in a physical exercise requiring tight precision, but they go out there like wet bars of human soap. That's a safety/vanity trade off that seems ridiculous when you consider it.
You should check out Dan's podcast he does with Don The Predator Frye, it's called Dan and Don's Toxic Masculinity...They discuss MMA, Pro Wrestling, Cultural issues and politics, I'll forewarn you that they're definitely on the right wing in regards to politics, no issue for me as so am I, but if you're a Social justice warrior you may not find it great to listen too.
i feel like the blame isn't on Owen i feel like someone in the back told him to do that move again because if vince or any of the writers in the back didn't want him to do that move then that would not have happened a second time.
Owen if often beloved and we're told no one could say one bad thing about him. Given enough time even the most beloved have rubbed someone the wrong way. I would also be livid considering he botched the move once and attempted it again. The move is unnecessary and adds nothing to him. Stone Cold botched that same move on another wrestler and never did it again.
Met Dan a few years back and he couldn’t have been nicer. A true gentleman.
Agreed…any young man or kid should look at Mr.Severn as an example of what a real man is
Oh really! Well i met him and he beat my ass all over the bar and left w my girl friend
Bro lmfao TWU
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It’s difficult for people to hear it, because Owen was so beloved by his fans, but the fact remains that he had some significant character and morality issues. The fact that his own brother told him point-blank that he needs to do the right thing and call Steve after he injured him and he still didn’t speaks volumes to his character. Also the story here with Dan it’s just more kindling for the fire. Sure Owen had a carefree and lovable attitude by all accounts, but it seems like he didn’t also take the safety of his coworkers as serious as he should and he certainly didn’t own up to his mistakes, at least in the instances we hear about.
Some of his so called " pranks " sound quiet mean and not in the mean light hearted way that can be just that , a prank .
There's the real guy and the facade that the fans and wrestlers only saw. Reminds me of these gangbanger types that get killed at some point and the mom defends them and says he never hurt a soul.
He was an overall good person but he certainly had his faults. I feel like in his own circle people found his ribs and humour funny however I’m sure to some he was a real pain the ass, he sounded quite immature and at times nasty with his pranks. Nobody wants to speak ill of him due to his unfortunate passing however what he did to Steve and Dan is unforgivable honestly, he should have known a lot better
he was the perfect example of a canadian
@@RagedContinuumplease clarify what u mean by that.....🤨
"I got hurt more in my professional wrestling career than I did in in cage fighting"
when someone like Dan Severn of all people says that, you know it's messed up
it being wrestling as a whole
Ken Shamrock said the same thing.
Plus having 150+ fights is pretty amazing
Cause 95 percent of his cage fights were fake
@@Bouldah more like 15%
Dan Severn and Stone Cold starting a Surviving Owen Hart trauma group.
Well they outlived him so I guess that counts
Owen Hart sometimes messed up in the ring
@@robertocruztv6097and for his reward, the crew messed up his catwalk entrance. Live by the pranks, die by the pranks #HomeOfTek316 put that on a t-shirt 💀
@robertocruztv6097 No he was wreckless in the ring and shortened Stone Colds career.
@@airfrance4365 Owen Hard should had not been allowed to do the sitting down piledriver. Too dangerous.
Owen Hart didn't perform the safest pile drivers. He temporarily paralyzed Steve Austin with that horribly botched move at SummerSlam '97. Austin never moved with quite the same speed or dexterity after that serious neck injury. That botched move probably took 10 years off of Austin's career.
Maybe more . He retired in 2003, only 6 years after the piledriver.
@@Matty272 he was basically done by 02
Facts
Dan is a good dude. He’s so respectful while speaking truth.
I’m not enough of a fan to have ever heard Dan speak. I must say, he seems like a real gentleman and very well spoken.
You should check out his podcast that he does with Don The Predator Frye..It's called Dan and Don's Toxic Masculinity, they talk about pro wrestling, MMA, culture and politics. I'll forewarn you that they're definitely on the right wing side of politics, not a problem for me as that happens to be my political leanings, but if you're a social justice warrior you would hate it. Though definitely check out their non political content they're just two down to earth decent guys..
Go back and watch his ufc fights guys was a beast,would do german suplex back to back on people lol
Damn.... I never knew Owen actually tried this AGAIN... that's truly f*cked up.
Crazy ain't it. Back then he didn't give a shit about nothing but those ratings and that money. Makes you wonder about if he had anything to do with Owen's death. I don't think he did but who knows...
@@Maniac_Matt stone cold steve austin got his revenge
@Colin Killian nah man he's more than that, it's seems like he just never had the drive to become more.
@Colin Killian are you joking he wasnt that good? He was a great technical wrestler he could have a great match with anybody. I suppose you think dan severn was the best ever haha
@@johnm3907 Dan Severn isn't the greatest ever but he is one of the big names of ufc back when it first started. Let's not forget that ufc is really and wwe isn't. Owen would've tapped put 10 times over in a real fight.
I can't believe Owen ever did that piledriver again to anyone after he hurt Austin.
he did it, and he botches several times, he was a bad wrestler.
He also never apologized to Austin
@@brofe9294 Yeah, Owen gets glorified a lot due to the way he died, but it doesn't sound like he was that good of a person either.
Owen’s a scumbag that why he’s been roasting in hell feeling non stop horrific pain for over 20 years.
@@scottandrews947 doesn't mean he was a bad guy. He had flaws
I met Dan Severn at a Judo clinic in Virginia probably 20 ago. He was one of the nicest, humblest people you'd ever want to meet. I was in awe of him! It was during the infancy of the MMA
His mustache saved his life from that piledriver
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This Guy is the Karl Gotch of our Generation.He could have done so much more if given the Opportunity.
Then you have Bret who NEVER botched anything, absolute pro’s pro
Bret is head and shoulders above Owen IMO
Bret intentionally cracked Bad News Allen full-force across the head with a bamboo stick back in Calgary, but I'm not sure if News suffered any long-term injuries as a result of that. Other than that, I also don't know of any instances where Bret Hart injured anyone in the ring.
@@rangelo8908 Owen may have been the better athlete but he was too short to use that move on bigger wrestlers
Didn’t Bret break dynamite back in a match ??
@@mayavenuemisfit814He admitted in his book he once accidentally caught Randy Savage with a real punch and gave him a bloody nose but not a serious injury.
Dan Severn saying he won’t take care of you in your next match with him is more terrifying than a world leader saying hes going to invade your country 😂
lol however its more likely means, he wouldn't sell it to make Owen look good which was going to be a bad look for him. Dan was legit dangerous guy in the locker room and would have messed Owen pretty bad if he wanted too but he was to his own credit a nice guy but not a pushoever. Lucky for Owen that Don Frye wasn't in the business at the time cause he would pummel him.
In 2024... not quite
why? put Dan Severn in his prime and he gets absolutely starched by even the mid level UFC heavyweights today because things have evolved so much. To someone who cant take care of themselves, yeah he's going to fuck you up, to anyone with talent in the modern era, he gets thrashed, especially with timed rounds so he cant just wait out 40 minutes like those shitty fights with shamrock. Hell, the last 13 years of his career he didn't really have any notable wins. Beat Griffin in the guys first pro fight, which no athletic commission should have sanctioned. There were no good strikers back then in his prime, maybe Vitor but they never fought. Arlovski today would've starched him and he doesnt have a chin.
@@ALT_RIGHT The conversation happened in 1998 incel.
@scarlettmichanco8023 The story is from 1998 you virgin
Dan has aged great, good lord. He looks like Omni-Man.
I did so many flying piledrivers as Dan "Mike Hagar" Severen while playing Final Fight in the 90s.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that thinks Dan Severn looks like Mayor Mike Hagar
@@jarheadiusrex1867 and Don Frye
@@jaw-knee-5 nah Rick rude didn’t have the build to be Mike Hagar
@@jarheadiusrex1867 yeah, Rude was definitely more lean muscle for sure. The mustache and face would work though. I think Don Frye has the Mayor job secured though.
While we are on the subject.... I just found this fan-made Final Fight movie. I never saw it before. They literally casted Don Frye as Mike. Bahaha ua-cam.com/video/ykIDS42BMEA/v-deo.html
Owen nearly cripples one of biggest up and coming stars in the industry at the time with an unsafe move.
Vince Russo: "...do it again."
Vince Russo and Vince McMahon.
i still think owen did it on purpose. he was an expert wrestler and knew austins head was too low for a safe piledriver.
Vince Russo: "You like pranks, Bro? What about you fall to your death?"
@@balla4544 So did Austin do it on purpose to the wrestler he did it to? Sometimes we kick the mid-card guy and overlook the main eventer.
@@balla4544 you do realize that Owen and Austin were friends right?
Interesting hearing this story for the first time
In one of his books Mick Foley mentioned he asked Owen what Severn was like to work with in the ring and Owen replied something to the effect "he's a really nice guy" and Foley repeated his question of what it was like to work with Severn in the ring and Owen replied with the same response "he's a really nice guy" pointedly avoiding answering the question about in ring work
I wonder how much Severn basically threatening him played a part in that
Am such a fan of Severn. Humble, soft-spoken. But don’t mistake his kindness for weakness. Truly tough guys don’t need to show it.
That’s facts!
It all goes back to a saying I heard when I was a little kid. The strongest, toughest man in the world doesn't need to brag to others how strong and tough he is. He only needs to be able to show it when necessary.
Many people with that kind of strength and toughness try to avoid using it at all costs, and only as a means of last resort for self-defense or to defend others, because they know how badly they can potentially hurt someone and would feel really bad if they had to do it.
Doesn't mean they can't
I was lucky enough to do a mma seminar with Dan. He taught a small group. What a humble, kind, friendly man. He answered all my dorky, obscure technique detail questions, mma questions and pro wrestling questions.
Dan Severn... The classiest guy to ever lace a pair of boots
Ricky steamboat anyone
DDP
@@ZakynthosDiamandis ddp is a good man but class doesn't spring to mind when I think of him
@@wce05308 Each to their own. Sting is another in my book. Both helped their peers and, to my knowledge, never let success effect their attitude toward others.
@@herecomesdatrain Met the man, you are absolutely right.
I can't believe Vince McMahon would allow Owen hart to perform an inverted sit down pile-driver just a year after he legit injured his new upcoming star.
I'm sure he was more busy focusing on his character at that time. Probably loving the heat and spotlight.
@Colin Killian I was talking about Vince not caring at the time sense he was the main heel.
@C man what's a chimo?
Owen hart was a jack ass. Lived and died by his wicked ways.
To be fair, Owen was a respected technical wrestler, most even Stone Cold said the injury was a fluke. Don't get me wrong, Austin was pissed, asked Owen to land on his knees beforehand and it's a dangerous move but Owen was so good no one really expected him to botch it nevermind twice. Thankfully he did drop it as a finish, even with a skilled wrestler like him it was so dangerous.
I liked Owen Hart but he's real lucky Dan Severn didn't kick his ass. I'm pretty sure Justin Bradshaw never tried to bully Dan Severn.😂
@@Dhardy316 He went by the name Justin Bradshaw too
@@joeloxig6872 For realz?
My bad if so, sorry.
Bradshaw is a bully fact
Severn wouldn’t do shit
@@wrestlingtapes2036 seriously he is street fighter corse he would
Bret was one of the safest wrestlers. Owen was one of the sloppiest. RIP.
He was so sloppy he killed himself.
@@jaysonlavictoire6076 1. He didn't want to fly down to the ring
2. The riggers didn't do a proper job
damn how many pile drivers did owen botch? there are at least 2 stories of him hurting people seriously with bad work.
Good question… out of the hundreds of pile drivers he likely performed how many has he hurt.
I was a little kid, and we used to call it the Nugget Piledriver, because nugget was his heel nickname that would set him off. After much searching, I could only ever find a 3rd attempt of this move on some jobber during a weekend WWE show that nobody really watched. It looked bad too. So he did this move at least 3 times, and all of them were botches. He should have known better. He didn’t deserve to die due to someone else’s carelessness, but he also shouldn’t have been so careless with other people’s lives dropping them flat on their heads like that.
@@robertt9342botched the biggest 2 he did in terms of main event ppvs man was dangerous arrogance never apology to Austin
I love how Dan said "stay in match performance mode" as opposed to "character". I'm in the Cornette Camp that despises when guys say "my character".
Dan Severn seems like a legitimately nice guy, the kind of guy you could just sit and drink a couple beers with and listen to his stories.
Piledrivers should only be attempted by BIG guys with the strength to protect the other guys head. Owen was too small to be doing a strength move like piledriver. A 260lb guy upside down and driven downwards becomes more like a 500lb guy. Guys like Undertaker had that natural strength and control. Its twice as hard when you are tired and have muscles that are getting rubbery.
Shawn Michaels used the piledriver on bigger guys without a problem, but he did it differently. Instead of picking them up and dropping them straight down, he would pull their trousers as he fell backwards, effectively allowing the person receiving the move to have a lot more control of their positioning, as if they were doing most of the work to take the move and land using their own momentum. Shawn used it against the Undertaker and Sid several times and it always looked really safe. It’s very similar to Foley’s piledriver with how neither were picking up their opponent or were dropping them straight downward like Owen’s way of doing it.
Love watching Dan's interviews. Looks just like a Dad you'd see at the shops but underneath he is a pain machine!
For the life of me I never got why Owen ever did the piledriver the way he did. Even if you have only 'play-wrestled' as I have, you have to know the physics of whether to go to your knees or your ass.
I got a stinger once myself from a Michinoku Driver onto a gym mat. It was scary as hell. I thought I was paralyzed for the few minutes it lasted. I feel for Severn here. Heard he is a great guy. A friend of mine met him at a bar and he mentioned saving Sabu once from drowning in his soup...
What do you mean drowning in his soup? I kind of figure what it is, but could be completely wrong lol. But I wrestled in high school and at the state tournament I got slammed on my head from about chest height. It was one of the scariest moments of my entire life. I was amazed I got up and finished the match perfectly fine. Feel like I was inches from being possibly paralyzed or breaking my neck. As soon as it happened everyone started running over to me as if they knew instantly, I was fucked. Glad we were all lucky to evade possible paralysis.
@@johnfraleee I guess Sabu took somas and passed out in his soup so Dan lifted up his head...and yeah that sounds very intense.
@@sassytroy8282 okay I figured that’s what you meant, just didn’t want to sound dumb if it were something completely different. I’ve heard somas were some scary shit to see when people were on them.
@@johnfraleee did you guys do neck work on the mats like neck bridges, if so it's possible that's what saved you
NO BABY OIL! - Andre
I can’t believe he did it TWICE. Wtf
The crazy thing about this incident is that it was the kickoff point to the angle that killed Owen. After Owen (kayfabe) injured Severn, he acted distraught and said he was going to retire. That's when they first brought him back as the Blazer. He was dead 8 months later.
Good
@@canedewey756 good? Wtf
@@canedewey756 I'm glad he finished stone colds overrated, bloated career. The 3 most irritating wrestlers of all time are Bret hart, stone cold and Undertaker. Owen Hart is one of the good ones
@@NoName-bb2pu stfu you have no idea on what you are talking about if you are saying such stupid crap you can fu
@@NoName-bb2pu nobody deserve to have their career cut short due to injury and nearly getting paralyzed. You are bad person.
He really said he fealt a bolt of lightning on his spine. My goodness 😂
I had no idea Owen dropped another wrestler on his head
Yeah I was in the fourth grade I still remember it. That move looked cool but dangerous. He should not have been doing it.
Yeah Nor me!
It was a work apart of the storyline he wasn’t really injured
@@dantecarroll2435 The storyline injury was a work, but he clearly drops him on his head. Go back and watch it.
@@vanillaice7749 he might’ve gotten dropped on his head but I don’t know if he was actually hurt
"If I ever have you in the ring again I says I will not take care of you".
One of the sweetest ways of saying I'm gonna kick your fucking ass. Class act
Dan Severn is so correct I can’t agree more. 😃
So Owen dropped stone cold on his head AND Dan Severn after with the same move with the same botch? Now I am believing Owen did it on purpose.
you have to question why WWF wanted to turn the Austin botch into a story line 12 months later, almost risking Severn's life as well. Makes no sense.
@6:00 he's making an amazing point. Doctors are like that too. They get a doctorates and then never pick up a medical periodical to learn what's new. In that case if you have to ask your doctor about medicine you've seen on TV then you know you have a bad doctor. But wrestling is no different in that someone's life is in your hands so stay up on the training and stay sharp
Dude doctor’s have to get yearly continuation education credits stay licensed the same as nurses and other health professionals.
My question is how did he botch the same move multiple times with zero consequence?
Maybe karma gave him a receipt for those two life altering mistakes when his life was taken by an accident.
@@matthewoberton1830 nobody's deserved to die
@@mrclaretandblue A lot of people deserve to die. Not Owen though. He should've gotten some kind of consequence for botching the same move twice though.
@@jc3drums916Karma works in mysterious ways
Dude didn't deserve to die. Did he deserve a harsh reprimand? He sure did. Maybe a suspension or something but not death dude gtfo.
Remember the incident clearly. Owen's lucky he didn't paralyze another wrestler. He 's also lucky Dan's a real nice guy and didn't beat his ass
People don’t want to say anything bad about Owen for obvious reasons but not injuring your opponent is a big part of being a pro wrestler. He is why Stone Cold left in 2003 instead of possibly 2013.
Say Austin's neck would've been ok...He still would have his knee problems that would only get worse as he got older. Maybe he makes it another 5 years to 2008 on a limited schedule. It'd of been a perfect ending for him if HBK was the one to retire him at a Wrestlemania when he truly was ready to retire.
Seems like a man as seasoned as Owen wouldn't botch wouldn't make this mistake once let alone twice
@@aintgotshtkid4748 owen was 5'8" 200lbs on a good day. He had no business giving a piledriver to men the size of Severn, and Austin.
@@fmthebaron Stone Cold only retired because of his neck. He still had many years to come. His knee injuries probably would have caught up to him but not until many years into the future.
@veganhigler6541It would have been (Vince Russo) and (Vince McMahon) anyway I was listening to a story by (Bret Hart) where (Vince Russo) called him about Owen wanting to leave tge WWF and go to WCW and (Vince McMahon) chimed in starting an argument with (Bret Hart) threatening to sue! I wish I could link the video but anyway plenty of people pointed out that (Steve Austin) botched the same move himself to another wrestler in Japan and seriously injured the other wrestler! Unfortunately Owned should have sued the WWF for being forced to work in a (hostile and unsafe) work environment, Owen Hart did protest against coming down from the rafters and was still told he had to which doesn't make any sense at all...
absolutely. i think also you are at the MERCY of the person doing the move, so they better drill that thing daily. As Severn says.
the fact that Owen did this twice just blows my mind considering who his brother is, he should have known better.
I hear Bret bitch and moan about Goldberg constantly, but you NEVER hear him talk about what Owen did to Austin and Severn. I'd probably say this to be an ass to Bret: Well God settled that matter in the end.
@@ef7558Bret is not Owen. Guilt by association is low IQ stuff.
@@ef7558 Austin severely injured Masahiro Chono with the same move when he wrestled in Japan before WWF.
The Fart Hamily lol
Match in question: ua-cam.com/video/_PibUWPXn1Q/v-deo.html
i def remember seeing it live. and i was surely like WOW. Owen aint fucking around. to hear it was angle, no shock there. to hear Owen still fucked it up.......damn .
A Sit Out Piledriver is just too risky of a move done by anyone. Even if you hit the move exactly right 98% of the time that still leaves 2% of the time you can hurt someone severely.
What about if 97%? 99%?
Lawler never hurt anybody
@@iceteehehe754 that's because Lawler did it the normal way this version leaves no protection for the wrestler taking it
The problem with owen doing that version of the piledriver is that he is ...
1. Not strong enough to support the weight of his opponent on impact...
2. Has skinny stick quads that DO NOT provide the necessary additional cushioning upon impact...watch Paul Orndorff piledrive someone and you will see that his opponent's head rarely ever comes near the mat because of Paul's quad development.
Well yes, Scott Steiner could do that version easily, just like he used to do his Steiner screwdriver, he was both strong AF and had thick muscles. Owen at 5'8 and maybe 190lbs should have never tried to do that to anyone, especially someone considerably heavier than him, that he simply could not hold up. I have never heard about this Dan Severn situation before, but it really sucks.
You guys are speaking as of a seasoned pro like Owen didn’t know what moves he could use or not. He grew up being trained before he was grown. That if you can’t do a move correct 10 out of 10 times you don’t do it. And Dan mentions that to. When he said if we wrestle again I’m not taking care of you he’s saying he felt it was deliberate. He wouldn’t of said that if he thought it was an honest accident
@@bodhi8297 Yeh Owen knew everything there is to know about what he could and couldn't do before he even set foot in the wwf.
Yea like you would know
Hey, either y'all weren't even born in the 90s or never watched Shawn Michaels when he returned in late 93 and started the whole scruffle with Razor over the IC title... He used a sick Paul Orndorff version of the piledriver as a finisher and he had no thicker quads and legs than Owen and never once injured anyone
Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker are the only guys that routinely did piledrivers and never botched them. That's why during the 2000's, the WWE only let those 2 (and Kane once in awhile) do piledrivers. HBK even did them many times on steel steps and made it look real without hurting the guy.
The Piledriver on the steps was such a badass move.
Mick Foley.
The botched pile driver was Owen harts signature move
Props to Dan for still selling this over 20 years later.
Owen was loved by his family of course and the crowd loved him. But he definitely seems like he doesn't care about other too much. Because he comes from the Hart family, he's respected, he died, etc people think they can't say a single thing bad about him. But he did a technique that nearly paralyzed someone and he almost did it again. Severn felt it go throughout his body, that's a terrible sign. When he broke Stone Colds neck he didn't even call to check on him. If he were to stay employed in wrestling he would have ended up paralyzing someone.
I loved this guy in WWF and I wish they did more with him. He just looked very cool and had an old school vibe. You could really picture him wrestling in the 60s or 70s.
Severn is just such a nice dude. He seems like one of a few famous people who you could meet in real life and actually enjoy the experience
He's the type of guy you can have a beer with and just listen to him tell stories for hours.
Dan Severn seems like a truly good person. Every bit as respectful and humble as he is tough.
The thought of Dan The Beast being pissed at me would have been terrifying lol.
I honestly can't imagine Dan threatening to kick anyone's ass. First off, dude didn't need seem like the type to give you a warning if you got him angry enough to want to fight, and secondly, he's just so damn nice!
I've met people who remind me a lot of how Dan Severn comes across. Some of the kindest, nicest, well-spoken, and respectful people I've ever met in my life. But at the same time, some of the absolutely strongest and toughest. They choose not to get their kicks by bragging about it, but aren't afraid to warn potential threats of the consequences of messing with them if it came down to it.
It's always the calm ones you should be most afraid of.
If you ever interview Masahiro Chono, you can ask him about the sit down tombstone that Steve Austin gave him back in 1992 during an NWA title match
Your point? Owen was a glorified mid card talent who wouldn't be remembered had he not yeeted himself..
@@colinkillian9265 why even bring something like that up when you yourself are unknown
@@GodyP Because he still got a point.
im just now hearing about this... i figured just the once, was more than a reason not to do this move after injuring austin.
no, it was just owen being unsafe
so much for the harts being good safe workers lol
I wonder if this is why Severn teamed with Owen rather than feud with him lol
Dan is a all around professional.
The night this happened to Dan was the same night that The Undertaker and Kane broke Vince McMahon's ankle and Stone Cold drove the zamboni into the Joe Louis Arena. Pretty eventful night there.
Wait he did this shit again after Steve Austin???? Wtf????
Never called Austin afterwards either, & wore a t-shirt saying "I just broke your neck".
The fact he said he has been hurt more in his professional wrestling career more than his cage fights comes to show how dangerous the sport of pro wrestling can get, and this is coming from Dan Severn who was VERY tough!
Regardless of how dangerous or how athletic it is it doesn't make pro wrestling a sport
And Owen's bro Bret still complains about how Goldberg is reckless.
Yeah and bret has no proof that the kick caused the concussion. I'm sure he took many head shots before that.
I remember Ken Shamrock showing up to UFC event and they asked him about being a wheelchair with his leg casted up and he laughed and said something long the lines of "I been doing MMA for a decade and never got a serious injury. I do professional wrestling for less than a year so far and already having to get around in a wheelchair."
Either Shamrock misspoke or was quoted incorrectly. That quote should read “..BACK to pro wrestling…”. He was a wrestler in the late 1980s, before starting his shoot fighting career.
After what happened with Chono and then Austin later on, I don’t understand why Russo, Owen and Severn agreed to do this spot. If I was in Dan’s shoes and they ran this by me I would have said 2 words, FUCK NO!!!
If I was to make a biographical film about Bruce Forsyth then Dan Severn would be my first choice for the lead role.
Yeah, I'd find someone who just happens to look remotely like him but has no acting ability to make sure I was bankrupted by morning.
@@stevelowe2647 Didn't he do well!! Hahaha
Good game, good game💪
Higher higher! Lower lower! 🤣
😂
I remember Owen wearing an “I just broke your neck” shirt after he did the same to Austin. I also heard that the shirt wasn’t part of the feud. Owen had it made and Austin took it personally.
I knew he really hit his head. You could see it
I watched him fall on tv. Lol. We all thought it was part of the show then they announced he died. Man good times
Owen Hart should have been prohibited from performing piledrivers.
The move really should be used as little as possible. But shorter guys really should not be doing it at all. The Undertaker was really tall so it always worked safely.
Owen wasn’t good at piledrivers.
I saw this match. Owen tried to apologize but Dan wasn't hearing it
I'm 47 and Canadian. I watched Stampede Wrestling on TSN back in the 80s. The odd thing is, Owen did the inverted sit down piledriver regularly back then and never hurt anyone.
I know, I don't remember who, but I heard someone say Owen never did the pile driver like that until the time he did it on Austin, but I've seen him do it several times before and no one ever said anything, hell Lawler always did it for decades and supposedly never hurt anyone so the move itself can be done safely. I always figured shit just didn't work out that day, but then again I'm not a wrestler and all I know is what heard from interviews. I remember Austin saying he told Owen not to do it, but he still did, so that may be where the problem is.
Hm, how tall and heavy were his opponents though? Dan Severn is a big man and so was Steve Austin, they both outweighed Owen by dozens of pounds, were much taller than him and he wasn't exactly a strongman.
@@petegallows5494 well Owen was around 230 lbs but I do feel certain moves should be done on smaller and opponents and some moves should be done on bigger guys. Just a few years ago Aj Styles was hurting people with the styles clash he has used it all his career. Sometimes the talent sells wrong and injuries occur it could have just been a freak accident.
Owen wanted out, he didn't want to wrestle anymore but Vince forced him. So I don't..maybe Owen was trying to hurt guys so Vince wouldn't use him anymore.
@@cassidystarchild7907 absolutely no way would Owen ever try to intentionally hurt another wrestler
Owen was so good. A true natural in the ring. Very odd that he had such a blind spot when it came to this move.
He done it fine prior to the Austin incident. Although I'm guessing Austin and Severn weigh more than the wrestlers he done it to previously. As for when he done it to Bret.... There was no way he was going to botch it.
Funny thing is when he did the move to Brett he did it correctly and went to his knees
@@areallg17 . Sit down was common.
@@troykennedy1087I can imagine that Owen lost his confidence in executing the move after the Austin disaster.
@@desisdosis473 Then DON'T DO IT
I had to to remind myself he did iT AGAIN and that was fucking careless and it should have been banned for him.
Ironic that Mongo's tombstones were safer than Owen's
Well, Mongo was a football player who probably knew lots of guys with neck issues and figured that he'd seen enough trauma in football that you might as well play it safe in the ring.
Mongo's was just a tombstone pile driver with no it-factor.
Between this, botching Austin, and bret leaving for wcw, no wonder vince was angry at Owen which led him to mid card status..so they further humiliated Owen with the blue blazer which led to his death. Had Owen survived, he would have been in wcw by the end of 1999. Vince had Austin, rock, undertaker..Owen wouldn't have ever topped them. He should have left with bret.
I would never let someone do a pile driver or any other move involving the spine. One slip and it could result in being paralyzed for life.
The fact that Owen hurt tf out of people with this move then CONTINUES to do it says something....off.....about his character. It's a bit hard to believe that there wasn't some sort of intention there when fixing it is such an easy thing to do..... Makes you wonder what else he may have done and if there happens to be some karmic reason he ended up falling from the rafters eventually. That second part might sound weird but you just never know...
I have to imagine this move was Owen’s biggest blind spot in his career. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he performed the move after Austin’s injury to prove to himself he could do it safely, against his better judgement.
It does seem completely counter to him as a person. It’s really unexplainable. Plenty of guys did the move or variations safely but Owen’s shorter height (by 80/90’s wrestler standards) and larger opponents just made it too risky. Owen seemed to want to land guys in a traditional piledriver manner as well despite the fact it’s near impossible to tuck your chin fully in a tombstone position.
My theory for why Owen did piledrivers that way is that if he drops to his knees, then he's lifting Undertaker's finisher which would also be a no no.
I thought the same thing. However in one match in Owens early years (after blue blazer) he did do an undertaker style tombstone. But it only happened once from what I recall.
@@Ken9284 He used to do it taker style all the time. The problem was it was Takers move eventually and they protected it. So he had to do a variation on it which was a dumb idea.
A little stunned to find that Owen performed that move after Summerslam 97. Don't recall him ever using it beforehand, nor after, and naturally assumed he'd have known better than to ever use it again. Kind of boggles my mind, not only that he thought to do it, but that Vince & co allowed him to get away with it (or did they?).
Perhaps Owen was trying to prove a point or something - that he could in fact perform the move safely - but what arrogance must it have taken to feel the need to prove that? This vid actually has actually caused to reframe my perception of that whole Owen/Austin SS97 incident.
He uses to do that move before wwf, then changed it to the tombstone and rarely did it. And stone cold hurt a guy in japan with the exact same move and never talks about it
It sounds like he told Owen exactly what Owen needed to hear. Of course we don't have Owen for his side of the story.
owen was a lunatic, let's be real, he was into breaking necks..
Dan Severn is John Stossel now? Wild
This is just crazy. As good as Owen was, I guess that just wasn't a move he should have used.
7:51 - Rikishi Fatu is probably one of the few wrestlers that consistently performed the move safely. Man had a lot of junk in the trunk.
Bam Bam Bigelow too, but he held his opponent much higher and more over to one shoulder. Opponents head never had a chance of touching the mat.
What’s the deal with Owen not knowing how to do that move? If he was still alive I’m sure no wrestler would ever allow him to do a pile driver on them. One time is inexcusable but twice?
What’s really sad, and I hate saying this because Owen isn’t here anymore but not only did Owen never apologize for this but There have been people that are close to Owen including his wife that have said Owen didn’t like Steve personally. In her book she even kind of suggest that it wasn’t an accident. Brett told him he needed to apologize to Steve that night and said you need to call him or go visit him and Owen never did.
@@bdr113080 wow I didnt know that part about maybe doing it on purpose. I heard he was a really nice guy so I hope that isn’t true
@@ItchyGoomie Martha Hart never implies in her book that Owen injured Austin on purpose or even at all. Owen could do no wrong in her eyes. In fact she implies that Austin faked the injury for time off, which is absolutely deluded.
@@bdr113080 there may have been some personal issues between austin and owen before the incident. Maybe maybe not. But there is no way Owen did that intentionally. He was too much of a professional. He just fucked up. He should have apologized to Steve.
Vince would tell wrestlers to injure guys all the time and they would do it. Dr D confirmed he injured many guys cause Vince told him to.
I think both Bret & Owen tended to lay the oil on a bit heavy in those days. I guess the guys who weren't quite as big & as freakishly muscular as some of the others might have used it more liberally. I'm not saying anything conclusively, but who knows? Oil could possibly have been a factor in both incidents, or at least a catalyst. I never understood one thing for the life of me. Two (or more) people put their well being (& very lives) in each other's hands in a physical exercise requiring tight precision, but they go out there like wet bars of human soap. That's a safety/vanity trade off that seems ridiculous when you consider it.
Owen Hart Drops Dan clip > ua-cam.com/video/wepHHp24jcA/v-deo.html
Dan is a supreme athlete and human being, much respect for the legend!!!
You should check out Dan's podcast he does with Don The Predator Frye, it's called Dan and Don's Toxic Masculinity...They discuss MMA, Pro Wrestling, Cultural issues and politics, I'll forewarn you that they're definitely on the right wing in regards to politics, no issue for me as so am I, but if you're a Social justice warrior you may not find it great to listen too.
i feel like the blame isn't on Owen i feel like someone in the back told him to do that move again because if vince or any of the writers in the back didn't want him to do that move then that would not have happened a second time.
Owen if often beloved and we're told no one could say one bad thing about him. Given enough time even the most beloved have rubbed someone the wrong way. I would also be livid considering he botched the move once and attempted it again. The move is unnecessary and adds nothing to him. Stone Cold botched that same move on another wrestler and never did it again.
Everyone loves Dan. No wonder he never talked as a wrestler. He was too nice to be a monster bad guy
Wow! I did not know this...