Jim Cornette on Owen Hart's Tombstone Piledriver On Steve Austin
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- From Episode 146 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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apparently one of his biggest regrets (according to Brett), is never sticking his head in the ambulance and checking on Austin
Owen Hart dropped Dan Severn on his neck the exact same way...
The script to act like he hurt another wrestler. But he actually dropped him on purpose again.
I don't care what anyone says that's in purpose.... Look at when he drops Stone Cold and then look at when he drops Dan.
@@iamthepapi6251 I heard the Dan was for an angle
@@dowhatiwantc7637he didn't break his neck but he had some nerve issue but lucky he got over.
@@dowhatiwantc7637it was an angle but Owen actually did drop him on his head. Go back and watch it and it’s obvious
He did the same move on Dan Severn. On September 28, 1998. You would think Owen would of stopped using that move.
Don't know what his deal was, he was such a great worker.
@@Kromsmitesyou my theory is he had done the move before without injury so he assumed it was safe to use.
There's never been accounts of Owen being malicious or unsafe in the ring and he was one of the best technical wrestlers around (better than his brother) so there's absolutely no reason why he'd do it.
The Severn thing was an angle, go pull it up on UA-cam. That match is there, and it was an angle because Severn was carried out on board with a neck brace. Like they were recreating what happened to Austin which sounds like that idiot Russo did that.
Steve has said that Owen insisted on the sit down, it would be weird if it was a miscommunication. Austin is more upset about the lack of an acknowledgement and apology from Owen then the injury itself.
Why when owen did apologise, and Austin confirmed that he did when owen was alive. He only started saying that after owen died. And Austin is a hypocrite, as he botched the same move to chono and never apologised
The Forgotten Gamer oh shut up owen didn’t apologize and you guys overrate him because he died
The Forgotten Gamer From all accounts Owen never apologised because he was embarrassed about it. And how do you know Austin never apologised to Chono?
@@kamfisher1714 Austin's a joke
Chad Kase Owen never amounted to Austin keep crying
Even odder is how Austin injured Masa Chono with the same move a few years earlier.
Which is why he was against the move. Which makes it even odder that Owen still did it. There is no way he couldn’t have known about Austin’s accident and there was no way Austin didn’t tell him why not to do it. It sucks :(
It’s not an unsafe move per say, Vampiro used a running sit down version for years without hurting anyone
LordChrome375 that and if someone says I don’t wanna do it you don’t do it.
Rikishi also did a similar piledriver
Did Austin ever spoke about it?
According to Austin's book, Austin raised concerns twice but Owen said he would do it this way and Austin took his word for it and got hurt anyway, despite Owen insisting it would be safe.
It was Austin’s idea to take the move in the first place owen just went along with it
@@GodyPno, it was Austin's idea to take a regular tombstone, even Jim Ross said he doesn't know why they where gonna do a tombstone when it's takers finish, but that was the idea, Owen suggested he go to his ass Austin said no twice then when Owen said he's done it before he reluctantly agreed.
@@dizzygunner bruh he’s already admitted it was his idea there’s no point in arguing that was a move Owen did a lot and that’s how he always did it
@@GodyP then why would Austin write in his book that he asked Owen to drop to his knees? Stop making shit up.
Austin told him drop to his knees, Owen said he'd drop to his ass... so Steve clarified it again thinking Owen was just messing with him. Then Owen actually dropped to his ass and left Steve no room to protect his neck.
Steve agreed to a tombstone, not a sitout tombstone. Owen messed up.
I would say Owen Hart was 100% at fault here.
I know the world likes to pretend he was the second coming, but he hurt Austin bad.
Austin ended a dudes career with the drop to the ass method so no surprise austin was hesitant but owen had no reason to think that would happen
Exactly, especially when Austin asked him to not drop the piledriver on his ass, make sure he'd drop on his knees. Forget about who they were. A coworker tells his safety concerns to his coworker. From there, you don't need a PhD to realize who's at fault.
Steve Austin beats women
PotatoQuality Steve Austin beats women
@@JaskiratSGrewal ?
I was there at the Meadowlands in the upper seats. You could see the top of Steve's head hit the mat from way up there.
I prefer questions from Charlie from Starkville
I wanna see Charlie worked into some artwork
B HIV up my
Or Mark from Markville
"I never wanted to do business with him again" - Steve Austin
@Metropcs Metropcs of course you would know. Hes all of a sudden a saint now hes dead .
But he did 3 months later at Survivor Series
@@billblaski9523He had to in order to finish their feud. But after that, there was no reason for Steve to work with Owen again, so he chose not to.
Owen actually did do that move again to Dan Severn on Raw in 98.
Yeah, he did, and i swear they played it up as legitimately hurting Severn afterwards.
"Owen 316 says I just broke your neck" was his tagline for a while after...
@@siegfriedc2332 actually he did read severns book
No he didn't. That was Jason Sensation portraying Owen.
Seem to remember he did it to flash funk too.
Austin did the same sit-out tombstone to Masahiro Chono during his WCW years and it left Chono’s neck messed up the rest of his career too. You can find the clip of the move by itself on UA-cam. I’d be curious to know if Owen had dropped to his knees if they would have fined him for “stealing” Undertaker’s finish because Jerry Lynn said in his shoot interview he got a ton of heat for using moves similar to other wrestlers at WWE during his brief time there.
He had to sit out because a knee drop would just rip Taker's finisher without using it as a finisher. But the sit out only works if you're the same height or shorter, as a taller individual has a high chance of dropping his weight dead on his head unprotected
Wrong. Owen hit Bret with the Undertakers tombstone at WrestleMania 10 with no issues.
Vikinghammer87 Undertaker was gone indefinitely and wasn’t on WrestleMania X.
Even more reason to hate that worthless, fake tough guy, LARPing biker, MMA wannabe, Stolen Valor book licker, Undercarder.
@@TriplomatX it's much more about how the receiver of the move sets it up. Knee drop means you wrap your arms around the opponent's hips, a sit down means you brace your hanfs against the front of his thighs. If there is a miscommunication between wrestlers and the receiver sets up for the wrong variation, either version of the move will result in injury.
Who else wants a episode about Travis and his artwork, best stuff ever I wonder if Jim has a say in some of it.
Considering it's his podcast he might have a say or two
I have heard him talk about it in one of them. He makes suggestions sometimes and then Travis does his thing.
Travis is a badass
@@garyhen1707 2022 2036
I wish Owen came in as Blue Blazer and disrupted the Montreal Screwjob, then there would've been a Dq, Bret and Owen raise their hands in triumph, the Montreal fans are pleased, and Bret and Owen go to Wcw, and Owen lives. The end
Everything was okay until you put WCW in it
@@kengoku1766 lmao, couldn't stay in WwF
Yes but I say without the screwjob, Vince wouldn’t have become the ultimate douchebag so that means possibly no Attitude Era.
Titles don’t change in a dq
tolerants231 why...he wasn’t going to make more money in wcw
Obviously I’d rather Owen was alive today but by all accounts he wanted nothing to do with wcw
What's Curt Hennig doing in the Cop car?
No. Owen told Steve prior to the match he was going to drop to his ass. Austin said you mean to your knees right? Owen looked Steve in the eyes and said no to my ass. Austin thought Owen was joking. And he let it go.
Imagine Austin still wrestling cus Austin and taker had a bet who would wrestle longer I bet you Austin would still be taking bumps...the man is in amazing physical shape to this day!!!
He looks in amazing shape, yes. But if he had bumps for the last 10 years he'd been in a wheelchair or dead.
His legs wouldn’t have held up for long. But I think he could’ve gone until 2006 or 2007 without the neck injury.
@@JM1993951 Cena may have even been more universally over if he could have had a "passing-the-torch" series with Austin. Fun to think about at least.
His knee was almost just a big of a problem as his neck and that wasn't caused by any one wrestler. I believe he even took time off to have an operation on his knee before he retired for good because of his neck.
That knee would have forced him out 2 or 3 years (max) later. But even if he continued past what his knee could take, he'd have still retired around 2010 and he'd have a cane today.
Bear 7453 he’s not in amazing shape 😂 his arms look great but he’s constantly in pain
To me that move made Stone Cold the toughest SOB in WWF.
Becky Lynch could have had the same fire as Austin after busting her nose, but booking, once again kills a bad ass character bases off shoot injuries.
TriplomatX she was boring after winning the two belts tho. Austin remained entertaining even after retiring. Becky was just not that good, you can’t blame booking because she always won :/
Current fanbase hates winners from the main roster... somehow it works a lot better to win in NXT.
There were a bunch of legitimately tough guys in WWE at that time. How long did Foley go after getting chucked off and through the HiaC? Or HHH tearing his quad and still taking the Walls of Jericho on top of the announce table. Not saying Austin wasn't tough, but there were guys with insane pain tolerances.
I think he did not realize how heavy Steve was. In the video you clearly see Owen struggle to lift Steve. As a Hart he never would hurt anyone
Owen, I think was 5 foot 10. Austin is a solid 6 foot 2. I think he was also 30 pounds heavier than Owen as well. Austin is a big dude, and the sit down piledriver requires the wrestler performing the move to be capable of staying in complete control, because there's virtually nothing the recipient can do to protect themself in that position.
For anyone saying it was intentional. This is why it happened.
@FisterSavage and then he did it to Dan Severn.
In Steve's own words, Owen told Steve he would do a sit down and Austin told him to go to his knees. Owen went to his ass anyways. BUT he did try to assure Austin that it would be fine. He had not done it before in the wwf but had done it elsewhere.
he assured him and dropped him on his head anyway lol
Owen 3:16
Also, Piledrivers in general are a risk when the person taking the move is TALLER than the person giving - or the other way around.
The Canadian Destroyer, which is just a flipping Piledriver, is actually the safest type of Piledriver to take given most of the time, the person taking over rotates due to the momentum.
How I heard it was Owen suggested the sit down driver, Austin said no goto your knees. Austin then confirmed with Owen just before the match that the piledriver would be on the knees to which Owen said "yes". Then once they reached the spot Owen did the sit down piledriver instead.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 nope owen said to austin im droppin to my ass and austin said you mean knees , owen said nope my ass.
"I did it for Chono" - Owen Hart
You can do the move sitting out. But the person being tombstoned needs to be higher up. Austin positioned himself lower which is for the traditional tombstone landing on the knees.
From the sounds of it there was just a miscommunication. I tend to think that the traditional tombstone provides less force, but sitting out would tend to be safer because you can just squeeze the legs together.
I'd probably put the blame on Owen in the end. He's the one performing the move and needs to be absolutely clear how they are going to perform the move.
Austin is a bigger guy. I think he had at least 4 inches and 30 pounds on Owen at that time in their careers. If he had performed the move on a shorter and lighter wrestler, it might have been okay. Austin doesn't look huge when he's standing next to Taker, Kane, or even Triple H, but he's still the size of a modern day linebacker in the NFL.
He was clear. Twice. Austin shrugged him off.
The sit out is the traditional move, called a piledriver, the Undertaker popularized the kneeling version because it was safer and called it the tombstone piledriver.
@@krohnicentropy8073 Tombstone had been around for a long time before the Undertaker. Don Muraco used to do it as well as the Dynamite Kid. I'm not so sure the Tombstone is safer because the worker performing the maneuver has a difficult time seeing where the victim is positioned. With the basic sit-out piledriver the worker performing the move basically just squeezes their legs together and the 'victim' pushes off the other worker's legs with their hands. So even if you don't quite have the victim in the best of positions, the two of them can still prevent injury I would imagine most injuries form sit-out piledrivers stem from the worker being too heavy and the attacker falling back and sitting-out too soon before both workers are ready
@@richiehunt5097 That's why he said "popularized"
“I wasn’t gonna come like what the fuuuck” hahahaha the way he said that
Austin told the story him and Owen was talking about it and said I'm dropping on my ass, then Steve said you mean your knees and again Owen said no my ass and Steve said ok
Yea I heard this story too lol
That whole match Owen whoop Austin it almost seem like a shoot
It was a botched pile-driver, & I put the full blame of that on Owen. Owen Hart (rest in peace) was a solid wrestler, & was loved by literally everyone, but yeah, that was his screw up, & it ultimately cut Stone Cold’s career short.
@ShadowAngel I never heard that ever. Not in the many podcasts and shoot interviews have I ever heard someone say that Owen said he was faking.
All I have ever heard was that he never apologized and that he felt bad about it, even though he never apologized. I wonder how much of this is misinformation being spread as fact, or that it stated like a game of telephone.
@PurpleNGold2324 16 . I think it lender towards more about how many matches he got to have them how long his career lasted. For sure his neck definitely was a major issue and likely contributing factor, but it wouldn't surprise me if his knees were next and possibly ego.
cut Austins career short? How do I thank Owen for this?
It's not a botch, it's an actual move called an inverted piledriver. Scott Steiner and Kobashi would do a similar move years ago. Even the last video game Owen was in has it. But unfortunately, there's less support with the person turned around, and Austin even did the same injury to another wrestler.
@ShadowAngel owen did apologise. And Austin confirmed owen apologised before owen died. Austin only started saying owen never apologised after owen died
Funny austin did the same to masahiro chono and broke his neck too!
Sadly this was the beginning of the end of Stone Cold's career 😔
Lmaooooo that made his career
Damn, if that was the beginning of the end, then break my neck so I can make millions for being such a hot act of all time.
I think he meant the beginning of the end of his in-ring working career. He still could go in the ring after that but his move set was limited and certain moves couldn't be performed by him or his opps. due to the neck injury.
Actually the start of Owen's end
He was never the same wrestler, but to say it was the beginning of the end of his career is just flat out wrong. He merely was forced to adjust his style to accommodate for what he could no longer do athletically. If anything, it made him better in some respects since he could no longer get over with a complex move set and hard bumps. He had to cut even better promos (and he's arguably the best of his era, along with The Rock), and really utilise sound ring psychology and ability to get the fans to pop.
Owen hurt somebody with that same sit down pile driver lol before Austin lol
In Austin's book he said Owen wanted to do a sit down piledriver cause Taker was still to wrestler later in the show and didn't want to potentially do his move(in retrospect I don't think Taker used the tombstone that night but I could be wrong), but Austin was adamant about landing on his knees. Owen relucantly agreed according to Steve. My guess is that Owen just flat out had a brain fart and did the wrong move on accident and considering how sterling him and Bret's rep was in regards to not hurting people he was so ashamed by it thats why he didn't apologize to Steve over it.
Not making an excuses for him cause he still should've manned up and apologized but I don't think he didn't do it cause he didn't care about him or had no remorse, I think it was just he felt so stupid and ashamed of himself he couldn't face Austin about it.
He did do that move again! The next year to Dan Severn! Then Severn was work injured! When I saw they let him do it again to Severn it made me think the whole thing was maybe a work
I forgot about that angle. So long ago now. Owen acting super depressed about it and altering his character.
Yeah because the inverted piledriver is an actual moveset that Owen has, it wasn't a botch. Besides multiple wrestlers from Scott Steiner and kobashi doing it, it was also included in the last video game that Owen was in.
Severn was not a work read his book, he hurt him too
Michael Allan Rubin did Severn say why he or the wwf let that happen again after he hurt Austin?
shindean they did it in a way where the guy can bend his head down and didn’t hold him tightly around the waste in place
Jim please do a video of why hawk never sold a pile driver.. was it part of the gim or was he just being extra 😂🎉
I could be wrong, but I think Owen did the Tombstone Piledriver vs. Bret at WM 10.
I just watched this match today. You're 100% correct.
I was about to chime in and say the same thing. He definitely uses the same piledriver on Bret.
To be the devil’s advocate here, it’s easier to speak ill of Owen’s side when all but a Ouija Board, Crystal Ball and Necromancer could get his thoughts on the matter. Every great worker will have an off night or one wrong call at least in their career, and I don’t doubt that had Owen been around longer, we would’ve seen further how ‘freak’ this freak accident was
Did Scott Steiner ever injure anyone doing the Steiner Screwdriver?
Saw steiner do it once and it was a sit out tombstone kind of like Greetings from Asbury park but in WCW/NWO World tour on N64 it was like a suplex turned sit out piledriver.. that would’ve been crazy
Tobias Farragut He actually did do it like a suplex into a sit out piledriver at least once in Japan and yeah it was insane.
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Okay, here is my unpopular opinion: Austin is at least partly responsible for the piledriver botch, because he took it wrong. Here's why....
Austin has himself confirmed (on his own podcast - I've heard it) that when he and Owen were putting the match together backstage, Owen told him he was going to drop to his arse, not his knees. In fact, according to Austin himself, Owen told him this twice, repeating himself when Austin queried him on it.
Now when Owen hoisted him for the piledriver, Austin immediately lashed his arms around Owen's waist, which is wrong. That is the way to take the reverse piledriver, when the person doing the move is dropping to their knees. Now watch ANYONE taking a sit-out piledriver from prolific users of that move, like Bret, Paul Orndorf or Jerry Lawler: they hook their arms around the back of the legs of the person doing the move so that when they drop to their arse, the person having the move done to them takes the force of the drop on their forearms, and their head and neck are kept safe. Despite being told twice by Owen that he was going to do the sit-out, Austin grabbed him as if he was taking the drop-to-knees reverse version.
I say "partly responsible", because Owen had a moment or two to register that Austin had botched the grip and he still did the move anyway, but there is no doubt in my mind that Austin is at least partly to blame for his injury. If he'd grabbed Owen behind his thighs, as Owen had every reason to expect him to do, the force would've been taken on his lower arms and he'd have been fine.
Austin didn't just queried about it, he literally told him not to do this spot. Owen did it anyway. Totally his fault.
@@jjb2331 Not according to Austin's version of events on his podcast, he didn't. He queried it and then thought,
"He must know what he was doing", so went with it. He did, NOT, according to his own version of the events, tell Owen not to do it, or, like he probably should've done, ask to practice it. Owen was also at fault for that, as I think Austin's uncertainty about the move should've raised a red flag in his mind.
@@theradgegadgie6352 you are spot on my friend. Owen did tell Austin twice he would drop to his ass and Austin thought owen was "ribbing him" why would owen do takers finish when taker was the wwf champ at the time, and in the next match that was the main event? Owen done the move as planned
I think it was a situation of and Austin has mentioned this several times including his Audiobook where he knew Owen being shorter than Austin, there was not much cushion to protect Austin skull when Owen hit the mat and I think Owen must have been so confident in his skills (and why would he not have been) that Owen thought he could have protected Austin when he hit that piledriver. I can't believe that Owen did that on purpose, hearing what kind of a person. However, on Austin side, I would be angry as well, again speaking for me, if I hurt someone like that in the ring, you damn well bet I would be in the Trainer's Room making sure, that guy was all right.
If Austin was paralyzed at SummerSlam can you imagine how different WWF history would have played out?
I was there that Night in Jersey. We couldn't tell anything happened either. But the ending sure was odd from my 13 year-old perspective. Like Austin said years later it was the world's worst roll up pin.
Owen did the move many times that way, not sure how Jim never saw it. But for shit's sake, he even TOLD Steve he was going to do it that way. They really gotta stop blaming Owen.
Really stupid move by Owen. Austin talked to him about it before the match and Owen seemed confused on how a piledriver should be done. He did a Tombstone piledriver instead.
were you there?
In a situation like this I just wish that Owen was here then we could ask him himself face-to-face🤔
If not for that one damn move, we could've had so more years of Stone Cold. Couldn't have happened at a worse time for Steve. I was like 10 when this happened and i was a huge Austin fan. I remember my 10 year old self being so mad at Owen lol😂
Thats why undertaker always did on knees
corny where’d your left hand go
Before the match, Steve and Owen discussed what they were going to do and discussed how to execute and finish the match. According to Austin, he asked Owen if he was going to drop to his knees more than once and Owen said he wasn't, again, more than once. Owen had a reputation of being the biggest jokester in the WWE at the time and Austin made a bad assumption in thinking Owen was joking with him, that was actually going to go to his knees to execute the piledriver. Austin loved Owen and respected him personally. Professionally, after the piledriver, he never wanted to work with him again. If you search UA-cam for Owen's part of the story, read his facial expressions and his body language. You can tell he regretted having done that move to him. There's words thrown around that Owen never apologized but according to Bret, Owen was deeply troubled, remorseful and embarrassed that that match went down the way that it did. Owen beat himself up over it. Other than all of that, there was no bad blood between the two and anyone who's a Steve Austin fan knows that he misses Owen dearly.
He couldn't have beaten himself up over it too much considering he did the _exact_ same thing _again_ to Dan Severn a year later. That one was even crazier considering they were trying to kayfabe recreate what he did to Austin. Pretty sure Vince Russo wasn't aiming for _that_ much authenticity. It was literally a work that wound up coming true and playing out exactly the way they planned to fake it.
If Owen would've did the actual tombstone he would've gotten a bunch of heat from Taker for using his move! I'm sure Owen was aware of this & by the time he got Austin up there was only
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not but it was a tombstone JR even called it also Taker loved Owen and I don’t think he would have been mad if Owen used his move regardless it wouldn’t have mattered how Owen delivered the move to Austin that would determine whether or not he got heat from Taker dropping to his knees or ass bottom line it was a tombstone not a pile driver
Nah bro Owen knew exactly what he was doing. Owen’s career would have skyrocketed if he didn’t screw up that piledriver
I disagree. Taker was feuding with the Hart Foundation so it would have been good heat for Owen, the VP of the Harts to steal Taker’s finish
Why? Its common knowledge that wrestlers need others permission to do their moves and considering taker was champ, and in the main event which was the next match that wasn't gonna ever happen
@Fnord Fnordington Owen used to do the tombstone piledriver periodically. He did it in his WM match against Bret.
Owen Hart almost put WWE out of business with this pile driver and people still want him in the Hall of Fame
Um, while Austin was no doubt the main reason why they started to beat WCW in ratings, its not like they were going to stay on top for much longer anyway. Look how they botched the ending to Starrcade.
Besides, your outrage might be more believable if you would also condemn Austin for breaking a guys neck in Japan doing the same damn move. Funny how you so called "fans" don't have a problem with that.
Did this prevent Owen from ever getting a main event push?
From what can be reasonably inferred, partly, yes. Bear in mind that the way Bret left the company just a few months later surely made it very awkward and uncomfortable to have McMahon seriously consider it, especially with how loaded the roster was with guys just entering their prime: Triple H, Kane, Austin, Rock, Big Show arriving, and certainly others that Vince liked and saw potential in despite it never working out, such as guys like Test. Vince hates botches more than anything it seems. To his credit, he really does try hard to stress in-ring safety, and if something goes wrong, guys have all disappeared shortly thereafter or were never given a chance for a big push.
Owen was never going to be a top guy
@@taylorknippa6044 he was overshadowed by bret
Done it to Dan Severn too
3:21
CORNY IS WRONG! Owen did do it again during his storyline with Dan Severn.
@Phenomenal Ace cornette worked for wwf until 2005 bud, and he was managing Severn in 98 lol
2nd time it was done at the request of Russo though. Owen didn't do it to Severn of his own accord.
Look it up Austin did the same thing to a japan wrestler in 93 or 94 then on podcast with him and jr Austin said he never seen that move before which Austin and Owen was friends with that japan wrestler something is off about this cause Owen didn't hurt no one and everyone knew he was a good guy so that night it was either revenge or it really was a mistake
Masahiro Chono
So many wrestling fans that say Owen's death was karma, or say they are glad he died, conveniently never bother to mention this when they bash him.
Bret specifically told Owen afterwards to call Steve but, Owen forgot.
Forgot lol
Looks like Mr Perfect is also Part of the Hart Dynasty 😁
That’s actually Called fire Thunder driver
I may be remembering wrong so anyone who remembers better is free to correct me. But from what I remember Stone Cold saying about the incident, the botched spot and the neck injury isn't even what he feels sore about all these years later.
It's the fact that Owen never spoke to him about it or offered a real apology. When I listened to him tell the story, I remember getting the impression that Austin would have forgiven him if Owen had handled the aftermath of the incident a bit better.
Austin’s head was positioned way too low for that variation of the tombstone. Owen has done it before, but it might have been intentional for all we know.
But for all we know it could’ve been because both guys were numb from smacking each other with newly-caught salmon before the match as a ritual to the wrestling Gods...who benefits from Austin getting his neck turned into a half empty tooth paste tube?
no clue...
It absolutely was not intentional.
Then Austin intentionally hurt Chono with the same move. But the drop was even worse.
Owen did the same move to Dan Severn 2 years later injuring him too.
Wasn't there a rumoured relationship between Diana Hart & Steve Austin?...could it have been a revenge act on behalf of Davy Boy Smith?
Is it that far fetched? ...rewatching it there is definite malicious intent in the piledriver
I remember owen did it to dan severson about a year later.
didnt Owen do the same thing to Dan Severn?
Wasn't that a kayfabe injury?
no@@filmbuff2777
I think the thing is Owen Hart never said he was sorry which is very unlike Owen. But he did pay tribute to Owen. The only one not on the Owen Hart Raw was Undertaker which made sense. Undertaker's character was about death.
Owen and Austin had on air clashes weeks on end. Before Summerslam 1997. Just a Unfortunate situation.
A fact you may not know owen broke dan savrens neck also with this move the fact owen was a hart makes this even more shocking
Wrestlemania 10 he did it on Bret.
He dropped to his knees with his brother but felled backwards on Austin just like Austin did Masa Chono!
@@charlesturner219 No he didn't. Watch the match.
@@Nunya921 with bret it was different because they had been piledriving each other since they were toddlers and knew how to take the move with their eyes closed
@@Nunya921 Yes, he did. Watch the match.
Was a bad idea to start with. Move is Takers. Leave it be. No fault just a bad idea.
Different fucking move
Wrestling is so freaking DARK. I love it.
Owen did do that move after the Austin incident. He did it to Dan Severn of all people. They wanted to start a feud with Owen and Severn by having Owen do that move to Severn and claiming that he broke his neck. He did that move safely to Severn, who was roughly the same size as Austin. I think that move should never be done though. There's no reason to risk paralyzing someone/getting paralyzed in a worked match. That's just dumb.
Severn said he had a bolt of lightning shoot down him or something like that. He told his story to James Romero on WSI
You need to watch that video again (it's on here), cause he did that ANYTHING but safely. They whole angle with Owen's piledriver hurting Severn's neck was intended to be a work, but wound up becoming real when he botched the piledriver in the exact same way he did with Austin. There's an interview with Severn here on youtube where he goes into detail about the whole incident.
I saw him do the same spot with Bret years ago and a few others
He did.
That's not true, Owen did that move to Dan Severn on Raw and they played the crowd like he injured Severn which I believe he did
A standard piledriver is normally done sitting down. What is about doing a sit down tombstone piledriver that makes it more dangerous than a normal sit down piledriver? I ask legitimately as I'm not aware of the specifics of how to take those moves. Does the method to protecting a guy in a sit down piledriver change depending on which way he is facing? It seems like the head goes between the thighs either way.
Because you can tuck your chin on a regular one. On Owen’s, the tuck is blocked by his crotch.
Some people say he did it deliberately. If that was the case, it didn't end well for him either
According to Stone Cold he it was discussed and Owen said he would go to his ass. Stone Cold said twice you are going to your knees? And twice Owen said no I am going to my ass. Stone Cold said Owen I don't let just anyone tombstone piledrive me. Are you sure you can do it safe. Owen said twice yes. But the reason he didn't forgive him according to Stone Cold and Bret Hart is Owen never said I am sorry. Not only that but he came out with a shirt saying he broke his neck which made Stone Cold even hotter. He said he is making a profit off my injury. Stone Cold of course never tooked the move again unless it was Undertaker. He said Undertaker was really easy on his neck.
Owen tried to kill Austin and karma got him back
He did the move 2 more times. Once to Flash Funk and once to Dan Severn in which he storyline broke Dan's neck as a way to have him fake retire and bring back the Blue Blazer
It wasn't a storyline entirely read severns book
@@michaelallanrubin2376 okay
Owen did the same move to Dan Severn. He did use it again.
that's what Severn gets for ripping up poor D-LO's pectoral muscles.
Owen did the square driver because he couldn’t do the tombstone due to Undertaker using the tombstone piledriver.
That thumbnail. Lol
Owen did the Tombstone again on Dan Severn.
Owen did the same thing to Dan Severn, so he obviously either did not know how to do a pile driver or he did it on purpose.
I would say Austin did eventually forgive him but he did not forget. The forgiveness might be when Austin offered a beer during the Owen Hart tribute show.
Austin is in no position to hold grudges seeing as how he broke a wrestlers neck in Japan doing the same move. Not to mention his criminal record of beating women.
@filmbuff2777 wow you just don't like Austin now do you?
Dan Severn
Who?
He did it.....for The Rock
He did do it again to Dan Severn and planted him head down too and nearly broke his kneck
Was a big Brett fan and Piper was my favorite wrestler of all time, and Owen shouldn't have done it, Period!!!
He did do the same thing Dan Severn
i think it could have happen to anyone , Steve looked like he was slipping in Owen's hands , he didnt have his knees over his shoulders properly
Whats the confusion? Owen assumed sit down piledriver, Austin assumed Tombstone. Except, no one does a Tombstone except UT and Kane. Why would Owen do a Tombstone?
From what I’ve heard from other wrestlers is that when you reverse a pile driver like that you go to your knees.
Exactly. The move was done the correct way.
Owen used to do a Tombstone back in Japan, probably as a homage to Dynamite Kid. He also used it at Wrestlemania X against Bret.
have you wrestled before even just backyarding? there's no way this was a miscommunication. it was a mistake from Owen. a brain fart
according to an austin interview it was owens idea
I think Stone Cold would of been better with the situation if Owen Hart said sorry. Stone Cold was also not happy with the shirt Owen came up with.. Saying how he broke Stone Cold 's neck. He said it would be different if he got money for the shirt too. But he didn't.
That t-shirt was WWE's idea, not Owens. And did Austin ever say sorry to the wrestler (I forget his name), whose neck he broke in Japan doing the same move? Did Austin ever say sorry to the women he has beaten?
That was just a piledriver not the tombstone
Right, I don't know why people call it a tombstone. That always requires having to drop to your knees. I call that move the inverted piledriver. Seems like a far more accurate description.
@@St99785 It's best to call it what it is. The Most Expensive Piledriver in the History of Professional Wrestling. It deserves that name because it cost Steve Austin years of his career and it cost Owen any chance of getting into the main event scene later on. It also did a lot of damage to Masahiro Chono when Steve Austin did it to him 5 years earlier. The amount of money WWE lost from all that time without Austin thanks to his neck issues caused by that move is uncountable.
@@raymonderrity1419 There's definitely a lot of truth to that, however, the silver lining is that it made Steve change his whole approach to his character, which led to the greatest money making years of his career. When you're as good on the mic, promos, and crowd interaction as Steve was/is, then you don't have to be a technically outstanding wrestler, which Steve was pre-injury. He doesn't get enough credit for that because he became most famous after the injury.
@@St99785 That stuff about Austin on the mic was true but he was already excellent as a character and on the mic before the injury.
@@raymonderrity1419 agreed; but it certainly helped that he was able to use his speaking skills more out of necessity, which really brought out the full potential of his character.
That piledriver seemed deliberate. Just my opinion.
Nobody ever talks about Dan Severn. After this incident Owen Hart dropped Dan on his head as well the same way ass down... Even though Dan warned him please don't drop on your ass... You already did that once... He did it anyways and then Dan almost killed him in the back
Owen did it for da Rock.
I think that’s the most probable thing that happened. They both talked about the move and they decided that Owen would go to his knees and then when that spot came he just blanked on it and just sat it out like he always did
Nope. According to Austin himself, Owen insisted twice he would drop to his ass for the move and Austin shrugged him off as just ribbing him for some reason. Owen was clear, Austin didn't take him seriously.
He almost blanked on his life.
Bret really has Owen to blame for the Montreal screw job because if Owen had not have hurt Austin then Bret could have dropped the belt to Austin not Shawn Michaels
Just my opinion. But Owen was probably gonna drop to his knees. But then realized he would be using the Undertakers move. So in order to not steal his thunder. He decided to drop to his ass last minute.
I doubt it. He was already a seasoned professional. To think like that sounds too much like a rookie mistake. The inverted piledriver is a cool looking move, but the burden of safety is almost entirely in control of the wrestler performing the move. The recipient is more uniquely vulnerable, especially when they're taller and heavier, as Austin was.
In wrestling, doesn't matter if you're the greatest safest worker, or a pile of dog shit, unfortunately mistakes will happen.
Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck.
He probably couldn’t hold their weight to drop to his knees
Accidents happen. Owen was great but he made an error on the piledriver. There's a lot of master craftsmen with missing fingers, it happens.
Austin is still more bitter by Owen's lack of care and the fact he didn't call to check on him nor of an apology than the incident itself.
Besides, Steve Austin botched it with another guy, probably why he was hesitant about using the sit down option.
And owen did apologise. Austin confirmed it before owen died and only started saying owen never apologised after owen died
@Jericholic2323 your right, karma is real. Just like Austin broke chonos neck in Japan in 1992 and never apologised. Karma sure got him back.
You don't wanna blame Owen Hart because you love him so much. That's some serious favortite-ism right there xD lol
I don't know about favoritism, per se. It might just be respect for the fact that Owen is dead and can't defend himself. A lot of people take Cornette at his word, so if he says "Owen was totally at fault," then many people will take it as fact. And maybe it is a fact. But.
By all accounts, Owen was a really good guy, and he's not around to tell his side or defend himself (plus he himself died from a head injury during a wrestling match). People are curious about this incident and all, but the fact is it was over 20 years ago, and there's not really any benefit to talking about it or laying blame, other than to satisfy our curiosity. So maybe he just figured the most respectful thing was to just let it be.