PRIDE 16: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs Mark Coleman | Sep 24, 2001
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2023
- In an old guard vs. new guard matchup, former UFC heavyweight champ & PRIDE Open-Weight GP winner Mark 'The Hammer' Coleman entered the ring to collide with a surging talent in BJJ blackbelt Minotauro Nogueira, who was on a 6 fight win streak with 5 sub stoppages
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Pride was better than the UFC during this time
Hell no, what did you accidently smoke?
@@TheAntManChannel He said, "during this time," as when this bout took place. Pride FC certainly had better heavyweight contenders. Almost no one would argue that. They also had many great light heavyweight and middleweight fighters.
@@TheAntManChannel If I were Surge I would Return-to-Sender that question...
@@TheAntManChannel of course pride was better without any doubt pride rules were unic ,and they had better fighters.
@@TheAntManChannel Pride had Fedor, Coleman, CroCop, Minotauro, Randleman, Arona, Shogun, Vanderlei Silva, Rampage... They all fought each other, longer rounds, better fights for sure than the UFC.
Nogeuira had heart I don't know how many times he got punished off his back and win the fight.
The good old days
Luta fantástica de duas lendas do mma é um orgulho poder rever esse clássico e essas lendas
A única lenda do MMA aí é o Minotauro...
Some of these fights are the best ever
ironically Mark Coleman looks more like a minotaur compared to Nogueira
😅
Isso foi engraçado 😂😂😂
Saudades da época do Pride, a melhor competição de mma do mundo.
PRIDE forever best
Not even a comparison. Pride where Olympic level classy as well.
Pride had the best heavyweight division in MMA to date. This was a weird fight for Coleman. He had clinches several times but casually let him go. He was either really afraid of Nog’s submissions or thought he had a better chance of controlling the feet and landing a big shot eventually. If it wasn’t for Fedor then Big Nog would likely be regarded as the best heavyweight ever by anyone that actually knew the sport.
Anyone who thinks Fedor was the best is a casual fan who has never trained themselves. There has been no time in history where NOGIUERA of all people would be considered the best in the world. A truly insane thing to say.
@@monarch1651 how do you explain all the other great heavyweights across all organizations considering him that if that’s not the case. Are guys like Randy Couture casual fans? There’s a reason why so many of his contemporaries and former opponents were at his last fight for his retirement. Find another heavyweight that’s beat more world champions than Fedor at heavyweight. I believe Couture beat 8 between heavy and light heavyweight combined. And yes Big Nog would be considered for such a title. Most people just didn’t see him before he came to the UFC when he was on the tail end of his career.
@@derekmortensen85 randy couture is not a heavyweight. Fedor is not a heavyweight. These are fat middleweights who dominate heavyweights because once you get that big outside of a few genetic freaks, you're too slow and proportionally weak. Also I don't think most people understand what level athletes all but the top 10 mma fighters in the world were up until the 2010s. Conor McGregor dominated top 3 ufc fighters with semi pro level boxing. Fedor has pretty basic boxing and good takedown defense and since he's a fat sub 6 foot man that made him dominate men with massive physical advantages purely based on the speed his tendons work compared to them. Nogiuera probably wouldn't have been invited to adcc today. Much less survive a can like Juan Adams.
@@monarch1651 actually they were heavyweights because that’s what they weighed. Getting to 205 was really hard for Couture specifically and Fedor fought there his whole MMA and Sambo career. A comparison like that is like saying Roy Nelson was a middle weight because he was fat. If going up was that easy then why doesn’t every middleweight or light heavyweight just not cut weight at all and go up and be champ? Conor’s best fights were at 145 and while he was great for a time to say he was successful in boxing outside of getting a giant check from the Floyd fight, which he did pretty well in overall, but he mainly got due to his personality it is hard to say he had success there on an athletic level. His time focusing on boxing actually seemed to hurt him in MMA because he changed his stance to a more boxing adapted stance instead of his more karate based stance which let him control range better. The toughest division in all of MMA overall was 205 from like 2010-2018 followed by 170 when GSP was champ. The depth in both of those classes was immense.
@@derekmortensen85 I agree with some of what you said, but I disagree on a lot too. Roy Nelson wasn't a middleweight. He was a goddamn welterweight. The dude had fat rolls on his wrists that wiggled when he punched someone slow motion. The difference between him and bigfoot Silva or Stefan struve? Talent. Most truly large men are horrible athletes and can't stand up quickly enough to not die. The only men who should be fighting at heavyweight are actual freaks of nature. Heavyweights should make up a tiny tiny tiny percent of the population but everyone's massively obese now so they think they know what a 300 pound man looks like.
Nobody controlled Mark Coleman like that. I have the same feeling the scenario would have been the same favoring Nogueira if he took on great wrestlers like Don Frye or Dan Severn. Even Dan Henderson couldn't utilize his Greco Roman wrestling very well against the younger, leaner Nogueira. The Nogueira brothers were the real deal, specifically Big Nog in his prime. The only man to break him was Fedor.
Randy Couture
@@brr8888 That wasn't the same Coleman. Coleman had so many injuries by then, had lost so much muscle, and was older as well. Not even close to his prime when he fought Couture.
Coragem do Coleman em ficar fazendo chão com o minotauro 😂😂😂
Lutador limitado o Coleman.
Coleman é wrestler, então ele também estava em seu habitat natural, mas Minotauro tinha um jogo de solo mais eficaz. Felizmente!
Porque em pé ele já tava tomando atraso... era a única opção que ele tinha...
Para enfrentar o Minotauro no chão nessa época, só o Fedor mesmo....
Burro. Ficou com a cabeça enfiada entre as pernas do cara, uma hora ia dar ruim.
Esse Minotauro era Bom no Jiu-Jitsu
Wow what warriors. This just makes you think how The Last Emperor, made both of those guys look like Amatures.
🤦🏻♂️
Roicardo Arona made him look like an a child
@@rendadigital8984 🤣
@@rendadigital8984Vc diz contra o Minotauro ou foi contra o Coleman?
Assistir minotauro lutando no auge era algo mágico
Saudade dessa época. Grande Minotauro!
Verdade
Eu lembro de ver essa luta na época e rever agora , o Coleman entrou com medo nessa luta
medo de cu e rol@ rapaz !!!
Não levou pro chão com medo. Aproveitei da queda do Minotauro e errou feio ao tentar o Grande and power.😂😂😂
@@manoellima4367 como pode né mano kkkkkkkkk
Acordavamos de madruga para assistir as lutas eu ia chapado de sono pro colegio, pqp minha proff Regina ficava preocupada porque eu dormia nas aulas de lingua portuguesa kkkkkkkk
Fedor Emilianko dominated all of the heavyweights in this era of MMA.
Nogueira was absolutely fearless.
I personally think Nogueira would have strong consideration for the best heavyweight ever if not for Fedor. They guy is way underrated in America because most US fans didn’t see him until the tail end of his career.
Big Nog is probably my favorite HW. A true warrior with an iron chin.💪💪
@@jimh.412 Iron chin isn't an earned skill. It's a gift from God.
The Hammer Vs The Grappling Machine
Minotauro Monstro!!!
Can you imagine a time where a monster like 'Big Nog' was considered the New Guard?
Yeah, I was a fan back then and Nog was believed to be unbeatable before Fedor wrecked him lol.
To be fair, Coleman was the #1 HW in the world at this time, having beaten Igor who had just beaten Mark Kerr twice. Coleman was *the man* coming into this fight and it's not everyday you see *the man* getting handled like this.
Sankaku Jime, nosso velho Triângulo com transição para armlock.
That's when I became a Minotauro fan
this time in mma history brought back allot of memories... i just love everything about pride except the ring, but the rules and scoring criteria gave me and im sure allot of mma fans during that time allot of real and exciting fights that can never be seen again---- I MISS AND STILL LOVE PRIDE. these days i really love watching ONE FC
This was when I became a Minotauro fan.
Met him at a seminar, the guy is huge
Also super respectful 😁
COISA LINDA, LUTA DE TITANS !!!!!!
Both fighters before Fedor stole their souls....
Fedor was better but he got Coleman @ the end of his career tbh.
@@richardmorris6365 Coleman was a one trick pony on his best day, just a juiced up wrestler like his buddy Randleman, neither were very well rounded, even for their era...
@@pulsarlights2825 Don't use the steroid argument. On JRE podcast, Enson Inoue admitted that everyone in Pride juiced, since the Pride contract explicitly states "We do not test for steroids." Fact.
I will concede to your second point that the Hammer House didn't evolve any of its members. They didn't really cross-train other martial arts. That's why Mark Kerr left them for Bas Rutten's Beverly Hills BJJ.
@@byronjuarez656 I heard the same thing about Pride not testing, as if the UFC or other promotions are 100% drug free....you hear the same thing today about ADCC and Gordon Ryan not being tested...
My point about Coleman and Randleman is that being juiced was all they seemed to have going for them, if they weren;t the bigger, faster stronger fighter, they would have almost no chance to win, so they had to abuse drugs...Kerr was a little more well rounded, but he never lived up to the hype that surrounded him at the time..
Que surra que o Nogueira deu no Coleman
Coletam estava fim de carreira 37 anos e Minotauro 26 anos
These guys are Legends!
I swear the Nogueira brothers were born 40 year old men.
😂😂
Nos tempos de hoje. Seria uma chuva de cotuveladas.
Красивая победа. Минотавр! Завел в лабиринт
Mestre carlson G disse:. O unico q poderia vencer o Fedor seria o minota... Mas teria q fazer a estrategia certa e mesmo assim era capas da luta terminar empatada, e o q aconteceu numa delas?....Pride forever
Arona ganhou do Fedor.
@@renatocellobr Verdade brow pois foi aquela luta Garfada como varias q aconteceram em tudo quanto é evento
Fabricio Wedum ganhou do Fedor no jiu Jitsu tb... mas Fedor tava mais pro fim da carreira tb
@@renatocellobrganhou nada !
E o fedor na época era início de carreira e o arona tbm.
O fedor no auge foi no pride ! Ali o arona ia ser varrido.
A luta deles foi no evento RINGS.
Minotauro é bravo pra crl porra.....
A arte suave! Um triângulo bem encaixado
Man !! Pride was something else !!!
Grande Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira ( Jiu Jitsu Master.
This Era of guys were so much tougher than today's guys. Yeah the sport has evolved but these guys were tough man.
Legend.
From a triangle to an armbar. Perfect counter to someone trying to slam you
Bons tempos
LUTAÇO! Sensacional. Épico.
Looks like this was in everyone's feed.
Great match !
Prayers up for Mark 😔❤️🙏🏽
Last night Mark was with his parents at a renovation rental property
Hammer (Marks dog) woke him up and the house was on fire
The enormity of the blaze had Mark pick his father up and run him out of the house, he returned to get his mother
all of her hair burnt off
When Mark went back in to get his dog he passed out in the house
He was airlifted to the hospital and it doesn’t look good
He's dog also unfortunately passed away 😔 such a sad suitation
Muita técnica do Minotauro.
O jiu-jitsu do minotauro era um dos melhores do MMA
minota fez historia no pride
This was the absolute best MMA format. Up kicks were legal. Nice long rounds. The ref won't stand you up. No using the cage to get up. We really need Pride to come back.
Esse monstro não é de brincadeira
Amazing jiu jitsu. Big Nogs guard is sick.
😂😂😂
Big Nog was good for his time but his guard is basic BJJ by today's standards.
It's basically a closed guard w/transitions of - triangle/armbar/omoplata. If you train at any BJJ club today, you'll find that lots of ppl use it.
Esse Minotauro foi o melhor que já teve... depois caiu muito de nível.
Jiu-Jitsu! Osss!!!!
Like they guys fighting
Colemam estava em fim de carreira 37 anos e monorauro 26 anos no alge esse negócio de idade influência
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira.... Our congractulations...big figther...big victory
Monstros
Minotauro e idolo e referência para a nova geração de lutadores.
Pride never die !!!!!
Lutas inesquecível, grande lutadores.
Прайд самая лучшая организация была. Лучшие из лучших встречались спортсмены.
Colleman é uma lenda, é um cara duríssimo do wrestling, mas vemos quão deficiente é o seu jogo qdo ele enfrenta um grapler de nível elite. Apesar do físico assustador ele quase não oferece risco na trocação. Seus chutes são quase inexistentes. Ele praticamente se limita a quedar pra tentar colocar em prática seu jogo de ground and pound. Muitos dizem que ele foi o inventir da técnica.
Jiu Jitsu brasileiro vivia uma fase difícil em competições de MMA naquela época, Minotauro foi muito importante para o Jiu Jitsu voltar a vencer diante de wrestlers como Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr ... (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was going through a difficult phase in MMA competitions at that time, Minotauro was very important for Jiu Jitsu to win again against wrestlers like Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr ...)
Minotauro não lutou contra Mark kerr e tbm ia ser parada dura por que o kerr treinava JJ e tbm foi campeão do ADCC ,sabia finalizações tbm.
Óbvio que o minotauro era melhor que ele no chão mas ia ser parada dura ,até por que o kerr era melhor que o coleman no chão.
Craque!!!
Colemann era foda, mas minotauro o arrebentou
Wow he was kinda fighting like Randy Couture. Dope
Diferença de 12 anos o coleman éra guerreiro também
Com o Fedor Emilianenko não engatou nenhum... só o Fabrício Werdum, mas isso bem dps dessa época. Jiu Jitsu foda fodemais!
Monstro
Don Frye never had the ground work. Thats why Coleman beat him twice.
Minotauro era foda!!!!
Coleman didn't look like he brought his A game. Kinda looked weak from the start.
Pride forever
O rei do jiu-jitsu
Esse é Rodrigo minotauro.
God damn that armbar was TIGHT
Coleman looked like he was fighting a flu.
I'm not surprised it's Nogueira!
Pride Best ever.
BRASIL!
Nogueira Minotaurus
❤
Two legends... Pride is better
This match is literally "power vs technique"
総合格闘技化が進む当時に確かにコールマンはもう時代遅れの選手となっていったのでしょうけどそれにしたってコールマンは覇気が無さすぎる。一度優勝したしもう戦うことに倦んでいたのではないか
Colleman teve que buscar o árbitro antes de ficar sem braco 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Prise Nevers die !!!!!!!!!
Pride never die !!!!
Engraçado o desespero pegando camisa do árbitro 😂😂😂😂
Desse cara, acho que, no mínimo, foram duas vezes que o Minotauro ganhou.
🇧🇷👏👏👏👏👏
First ever PRIDE FC World Heavyweight Champion VS first ever UFC World Heavyweight Champion
he was setting coleman up for that triangle by going for the kimura
Meh, you can set up a sweep by going for a Kimura too.
Coleman já estava em declinio
Mark… That’s His Trade Mark 🔥 You Knew That Was Coming
On this day BJJ > wrestling
But why? Coleman could NOT take Nogueira down. Also Nogueira was winning the clinching part of the fight.
There are no better martial arts, just better martial artists
@@markcorrigan3930 You need to take some remedial math classes, son.
Well, freestyle and folkstyle wrestlers don't have very good upper body wrestling. If Nogueira didn't slip he would have dirty boxed Coleman to a decision
Yup thats Big Nogs style he dirty box people in the clinch and back in the day people are reluctant to graple with him except for Fedor who is also an excelent grapler.
Yup Randy Couture said the same thing when he fought Coolman and Randleman Couture mad a Career dirty boxing people
Битва титанов
That was an easy payday lol
Это плевок вольникам; которые всегда верят что хороший вольник всегда лучше хорошего джитсера, это верил и Марк , но обширность приемов на полу решает в сторону более развитому разносторонне бойцу
PQP PHODASTICO
It's not fair for one fighter to fight barefoot and the other in sneakers.
Wrestling shoes were an option for anyone. I actually would NOT advocate wearing shoes doing nogi/mma. Shoes made it near impossible to escape the leg lock game.